1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland, and this is Fitness Disrupted. Let's 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: talk about causes versus symptoms, one of the most important 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: topics when it comes to our health and wellness and 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: our fitness plan and injuries and pain and figuring out 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: our program. And as I've said before, I have so 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: many topics a laundry list that I want to do 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: and will do for shows, and then I wait until 9 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: something kind of triggers a certain topic, and then I 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: walk through that list and I crossed it off and 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: I go now at the time. And with this one, 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: it was a discussion I had the other day with 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: a family member who has back issues, as so many 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: people do at some point in their life, will have 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: of back pain ridiculously common. And this person asked me 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: if I had ever heard of this treatment that they 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: were doing, and they had. And it's a very tricky conversation, 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: the one I was having, and I said, you know what, 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do a show about it, and I'll 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: explain why it's tricky because it's not black and white, 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on, and it's the opportunity 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: for people to sell you things, both products and procedures, 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: and this procedure that this family member was undergoing is 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: really expensive. It is alternative, which means it's not really 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: backed by hard science. It's time consuming. But here's the 26 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: thing I knew of other people. I had clients who 27 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: tried it over the years, and oftentimes it makes you 28 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: feel good. But that's the topic of today's show. Are 29 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: you fixing to cause or are you treating fixing the symptom? 30 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: That's what's so important. And I'm gonna give you an 31 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: example right from my personal experience, which will clarify this really, 32 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: really well. But I know that each and every one 33 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: of you listening to this show has dealt with numerous 34 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: instances like this, whether it's back pain, lower body issues 35 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: so common plan or fasciitis, I t band syndrome. I'm 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: gonna talk to you about mine pureformists syndrome many years ago, 37 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: pretty much the only issue that I dealt with, and 38 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: it lasted longer than it should have because of this topic. 39 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: I was just starting out in my career and I 40 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: was just really getting into endurance sports, and so the 41 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: increased training volume and intensity gave me this puerformance issue. 42 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: But let's take a quick break when we come back. 43 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: That's what today's about. You've got different issues, whether it's pain, discomfort, cramping, 44 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: things like that. I'm gonna try to keep it limited 45 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: today to things like back pain, lower body issues that 46 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: so many people have, but the concept will apply too 47 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: much more. You have an issue, do you deal with 48 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: the cause? Are you actually dealing with what causes that issue, 49 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: or are you dealing with the issue how it presents itself? 50 00:03:50,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: All right, quick break, we'll be right back, all right, 51 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: because I like to do it this way to clarify 52 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: right up front, let's look at what the definition the 53 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: dictionary definition of cause and symptom are, right, cause we're 54 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: looking at the noun definition and I've got to first 55 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: one a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, 56 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: or condition. So for our purposes, we're talking pretty much 57 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: about conditions, right. An example would be the cause of 58 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: the accident is not clear. And the second definition is 59 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: an agent that brings something about and we're talking about 60 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: that agent, example being she is the cause of your trouble, right, 61 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: and so one of the most difficult things in exerc 62 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: eyes in pain management and figuring out the etiology of 63 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: your issues is figuring out what the causes. And that's 64 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: why I've said over and over that if you tell 65 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: someone I've got plan or fasciitis, which for those of 66 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: you who don't know or have never had it, it 67 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: is painful when you get out of bed in the morning, 68 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: bottom of your foot plan or fasha plant or fasha 69 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: runs the length of your foot and it gets super 70 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: tight and it's really painful. And the longer you let 71 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: it go, the worst it gets, in the longer it 72 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: takes to come back from. In my experience, like it's 73 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: perfect topic for the show Perfect Pain. And so if 74 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: someone says, oh, my gosh, I know exactly it's your shoes, 75 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: or it's that you're running on hard surfaces, or you know, 76 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: any list of of kind of common sensical and then 77 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: crazy reasons why that person thinks or knows what the 78 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: cause is, it can be any of those things. But 79 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: what so many people do is they just focus on 80 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: the symptom. So for player and fasciitis, an example would 81 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: be you ice it, or you stretch it, or you 82 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: do both, and that's going to give you temporary relief. 83 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: And that's a huge part of the show today, and 84 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a bad thing. By the way, when 85 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: it comes to something like player and fasciitis, you want 86 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: to bring down the inflammation. You want to feel better 87 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: in the short term, of course you do. The problem 88 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: lies in do you take the time, find the experts, 89 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: do your homework, look at what you've been doing to 90 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: figure out the cause. Because you can ice it all 91 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: day long, and you can stretch it all day long, 92 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: But is that going to make it go away? Because 93 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: what is it caused by? I've talked about how I 94 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: had shin splints growing up, spent the majority of my 95 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: childhood on the bench soccer football with massive, painful shin splints, 96 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: and we taped my feet and we iced it. We 97 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: didn't do much else. By the way, back then nothing 98 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: worked because if I'm looking back objectively, knowing what I 99 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: know now, it was that I did too much too 100 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: too It was that went to hell week for football, 101 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: two weeks having sat on my butt as a teenager 102 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: during the summer working and you know, playing, and then 103 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: just did way too much too soon, and my legs 104 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: couldn't take it, and so there was no addressing the cause. 105 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: It was constant trying to fix and focus on the 106 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: symptoms I had pain, and so we did all of 107 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: these things with the trainer, the athletic trainer at the school, 108 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: who again meant well, but far too often the focus 109 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: is completely on the symptom. And because the symptom goes 110 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: away people doesn't mean the cost did. And just a 111 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: quick aside, I did the show on compensatory injuries. It's 112 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: tied into this because when you do things like focus 113 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: solely on the symptoms, your body adapts because it doesn't 114 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: want to continue to hurt itself in the same way. 115 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: It will change the way you move, the biomechanics or 116 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: what you're doing, and so the focus will go off 117 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: of the original cause and you'll now have two or 118 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: three or four. So we have to differentiate between the 119 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: cause and the symptom. And a huge problem today, especially 120 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: with the symptoms, is that we are now in unprecedented 121 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: times as far as companies and people selling you products 122 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: to just focus on the symptoms. So many I've never 123 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: seen more in my fifty two years on this earth. 124 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: And let me just give you a quick list, and 125 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: then we'll go back and hit on a couple of them. 126 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: So we're talking about recovery treatments and products, you know, modalities, 127 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: and then things you can purchase, And I could give 128 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: you a hundred, but some of the more common are 129 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: things like acupuncture, cupping, cryotherapy, infrared saunas, compression boots, massage, 130 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: an infinite number of supplements, foam rolling, percussive devices, percussive devices, 131 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: so those guns I don't want to give specific names, guns, 132 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: massage guns. And then something that I have personal experience 133 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: with tens units, attends unit, What is that? What is that? 134 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: Trans Cutaneous electrical nerve stimulation. So these are small handheld 135 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: machines with electrodes that emit and use a low electric 136 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: current to reduce muscle pain. So you've seen these. They're 137 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: now selling these. So again I'm gonna give you my 138 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: experience with that. I didn't purchase one, but it was 139 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: used on me. But now you can buy them. They're 140 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: selling them to the consumer. Let's put some electrical current 141 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: through your body to make yourself feel better. But when 142 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: you read up on these, just give you a little 143 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: more background on something like this. Short term pain relief 144 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: by stimulating nerve sensations and mild muscle contractions which they 145 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: basically disrupt your pain, drown out your pain. And so 146 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: let's say you have a lower body issue, your hip hurts, 147 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: and you either purchase this on your own or you 148 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: go to a practitioner who has one of these devices. Again, 149 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of little paths with cables oft them, 150 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: wires and a unit, and you control how much electrical 151 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: current basically you put through your body and your muscles 152 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: and it actually contracts. And they also sell these for 153 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: strengthening and weight loss, but not for today's show. So 154 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: you've got an issue, back issue, lower body issue, and 155 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: this has put on you and you know, I feel better, 156 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: I feel better. You're treating the symptom. What did you 157 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: actually do to address why you had the pain? And 158 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: that is the theme of today's show. You have to 159 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: address the cause of the pain, not the symptom. So yes, 160 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: just like every diet works, most of those modalities that 161 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: I just listed, they all feel good. They all feel good. Massage, 162 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: foam rolling, although if you foam roll deeply enough that 163 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: could be painful, and cutting doesn't feel that good, you know. 164 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: But some feel good short term, temporary, and some block 165 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: out the pain by giving you more pain you know, again, 166 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: there's so many asides here and topics that we could 167 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: go off on. But you know, I have a friend 168 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: in the business who when it comes to like, you know, 169 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: deep tissue massage, his line is, I don't think you 170 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: should treat pain with pain. Topic for another day, but 171 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: this is such an important concept when it comes to 172 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: us and you leading your best life, dealing with your issues, 173 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: determining the cause and not being sold some expensive temporary 174 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: fix not based in science. And now, let me say this, 175 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: I want you to feel better. So when this family 176 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: member told me what they were doing for their back, 177 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: two things, I thought right away, you know, it's the 178 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: cost and the time. We'll put those two together. They 179 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: had both the means and the time to do it, 180 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: and it wasn't gonna hurt them. And so that's what 181 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: so much of this stuff do. So people will ask me, 182 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into specifics because you know, 183 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't have the time to debate them today and 184 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: back them up. But I will and I always will. 185 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: But these things make you feel good in the short term. 186 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: I am gonna talk about several that our counter productive 187 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: long term though, and that's where we're gonna bring this 188 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: all to because I want you to feel good. And 189 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: if you have the money and the time, and you 190 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: don't mind buying something that makes you feel good, short 191 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: term recovery boots, you want to float in a tank, 192 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: sensory deprivation tank, you want to do other modalities as 193 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: long as it doesn't hurt you. But as I say 194 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: this out loud, you know, I don't want you to 195 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: waste your money and or your time, but I'm not 196 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: against it if you want to, you know, come in 197 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: from a run and put on some compression gear. Listen, 198 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: I do that too, But we have to focus on 199 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: the cause if and when you have an issue. All right, 200 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: let's take one more quick break and we come back. 201 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my specific one instance in my 202 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: entire career of something that plagued me, and it's an 203 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: example of everything I'm talking thing about. And why even 204 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: though you might be able to afford it and it 205 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: feels good in the short term, why that's problematic long term. Alright, 206 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: final break, We'll be right back, and we are back. 207 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: You know what, I use myself as an example when 208 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: it makes sense, you know, yes and equals one when 209 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: it comes to me, but that's what this shows about 210 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: take science my experience personally, and that's why I one 211 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: of the many reasons I do all that I do 212 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to racing and pushing my body, I 213 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: learn and I can speak from experience, and unfortunately, they're 214 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: far too many fitness people that have neither the education 215 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: nor the experience, and that's a problem. They're usually the 216 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: ones selling you these products, by the way, because that's 217 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: how they make their money. And let me say really quickly, 218 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: I get offers all the time, two have those products 219 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: as part of my brand. And it's not gonna happen. 220 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: It's never gonna happen. Not gonna happen. Um, So back 221 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: to my issue, many many years ago, just starting out 222 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: getting my master's degree and training for to get the 223 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: time he was iron Man Malaysia, crazy and putting in 224 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: a lot of miles bike and run pool as well, 225 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: but pure formist issue. So suddenly had this pain pain 226 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: in my glute, my right glue. And for those of 227 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: you again who have had it, you know exactly what 228 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And generally speaking, it presents when you 229 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: sit for a long periods of time and it's literally 230 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: referred to as a pain in the butt, because that's 231 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: exactly what it is, all right. At the time, I 232 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: had a good friend who was a doctor is a doctor. 233 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: He said, you have psiatica. It turns out I didn't, 234 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: but that's kind of what it presents like oftentimes. But 235 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: I just bring that as up as an example that 236 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: oftentimes doctors are wrong. And so, as I said at 237 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: the start of the show, figuring out the etiology of 238 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: this stuff, it takes time and the right people. So 239 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: I had this pain in my glute, and I'm like, okay, 240 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: So I started reading up on it kind of said 241 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: this might be this pure formist issue. So I stretched 242 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: like crazy, and I reached out to people. At the time, 243 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: trainer in New York City stretched stretch, stretch, foam rolling 244 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: wasn't even a big thing way back then. So I 245 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: stretched and that made it feel better, but it didn't 246 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: fix it temporary fix. And you start driving differently, You 247 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: start sitting differently. As I talked about you, you compensate, 248 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: you know, when you're driving long distances, you put your 249 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: car and cruise control, and you start to stretch, sit differently. 250 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: And those of you who have had it no exactly 251 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Then it just got worse because 252 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: I was training harder and I was putting in the miles. 253 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: And so I had a friend who said, I gotta 254 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: go do some chiro practic I've never been to one, 255 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: and again a topic for another day, good friends who 256 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: are chiropractors. But I went to a chiropractor and couldn't 257 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: be nicer. And she used on me the tens unit. 258 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: So I would lie on my stomach, she would put 259 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: these pads on my glute, she'd turn on the machine. 260 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: She'd leave the room, and it was semi painful, if 261 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: that's a term, and she could control how much or 262 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: how little, and it would force my glute muscles to contract, 263 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: and she keep it on ten twenty minutes or longer, 264 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: and then she come back and it hurt at the time, 265 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: and then I would leave and I'd feel better for 266 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: a short amount of time. And I did that probably 267 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: ten times at least, and again pain, go in pain, 268 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: to treat pain, leave feel better for a short amount 269 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: of time. Then I met awesome sports medicine doctor as 270 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: a working with the American Medical Athletic Association lecturing and 271 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: had this discussion with her, and she said Tom, you 272 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: gotta focus on some focus strength training. Potentially it's weak 273 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: gluten muscles, weak lower body muscles, and your pure formance 274 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: is doing too much work and then it gets tight 275 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: and it's an issue. So do these exercises. I've been 276 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: doing exercises like that, but this was a focused approach 277 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: and I, you know, was probably doing two leg days 278 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: at that time, and we added in a third and 279 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: a little bit more of unilateral exercises and guess what 280 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: took time, took work and it worked. And this was 281 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: decades ago and to this day. When I start amping 282 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: up my run mileage, especially not so much my bike, 283 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: but sometimes the bike too, even in my fifties, but 284 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: the run, I'll start to feel the pure formans get 285 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: tight over time. If I'm not doing those exercises. It 286 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to the show I did 287 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: on Prehab versus Rehab, So I used myself as a 288 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: pretty clear cut example of was focusing on the symptoms, 289 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: not the cause, and all of those treatments whether it's 290 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: making you feel good in the short term because it 291 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: feels good. And listen, when I get a massage, there's 292 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: two types of massages, right, two types of people that 293 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: go to massage, the ones like me who go to 294 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: have it feel good not super deep, and those of 295 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: you who like that deep pain on pain. Both feel 296 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: good in the short term, depending on your personality type. 297 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: But if you're using that massage to fix and that's 298 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: the operative term here, to fix the pain that you 299 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: might be experienced, the discomfort, the soreness, that's a problem. 300 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: That's a problem, and so we're talking about temporary relief 301 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: at the expense of long term solutions. And so first 302 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: and foremost, as I said, you have to figure out 303 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: what the cause is and that takes time, but you 304 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: have to be open to it. You have to say, well, okay, 305 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: I have lower back pain. This is a simple one. 306 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: That sound I'm gonna end the show, by the way, 307 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: not simple, but more straightforward than many of the issues. 308 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: She say, blower back discomfort. You you can go get 309 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: a massage, yeah, and can do acupuncture. You can do 310 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: all these different things and they probably work in the 311 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: short term, and that's good if you want to feel 312 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: better in the short term. And the most extreme example 313 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: of that would be what taking pharmaceutical drugs to mask 314 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: the pain feels good in the short term, but what 315 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: is it doing to you in the long term, So 316 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: you obviously know what the issue is, the pain, and 317 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: then you have to start investigating, examining what the causes. 318 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: And that's why when I was a trainer and a coach, 319 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: when people would come to me with issues, we would 320 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: sit down and talk forever. What are you doing, what's 321 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: your training, what's your day to day like, what are 322 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: you doing exercise wise? How much? How much have you 323 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, increased, decreased, changed, Let's talk about your shoes. 324 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: And then you slowly start to you know, whittle it down. 325 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: But you don't just focus on making the pain go 326 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: away short term. That's human condition. We just want to 327 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: feel good now. Let me take a pill now, And 328 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: that's a problem. And let me just give you quick 329 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: example of a short term fix that could potentially be 330 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: detrimental long term. I did I like to think a 331 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: really good show on cryotherapy with Yogi Berra's granddaughter Lindsey 332 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: bearra amazing writer. So if you haven't listen to that 333 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: podcast I did about icing and cryotherapy, you gotta listen 334 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: to that one so real quickly. Cryotherapy all the rage 335 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: has been for a long time. I did it back 336 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: in the day triathletes. They started by you know, doing long, 337 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: hard workouts and then jumping in freezing cold lakes, and 338 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: now it's all the rage and even more popular with 339 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: the recreational athletes and people. Well, the science is counterintuitive. 340 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: And again, if you're really into that and you want 341 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: the science, listen to that show with Lindsay Bearra. But 342 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: it's temporary relief and potentially decreasing your gains from exercise 343 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: long term and slowing down the recovery process. Because as 344 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: we talk about in that show, body is a really 345 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: smart machine. The inflammatory process is a good thing to 346 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: a certain degree. The body needs to go through it, 347 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: and that's why taking certain pharmaceutical drugs, even over the counter, 348 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: can be counter productive in the long term. So that's 349 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: why this becomes more complex when I say, as long 350 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: as it doesn't hurt you, you can afford it in 351 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: the time, Well to other things come into play. First. 352 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: As I just said, it may actually be detrimental long term, 353 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: not hugely, but detrimental depending on what it is and 354 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: what you're doing. But most importantly, it is preventing you 355 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: from doing the work necessary to fix the cause. So 356 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: that's why when I have friends and family and clients 357 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: back in the day who would be going to these 358 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: modalities and feeling good short term and going it's it's better, Tom, 359 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: it's better, and I go right now, But are you 360 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: focusing on the cause. We got to figure out the cause. 361 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: So that's where I have a big problem with these 362 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: techniques and products and modalities because they are preventing you 363 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: from working on the solution. And so what is that. 364 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: It's pretty much what you'd expect from me. You've got 365 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: to start with the basics. Muscle weakness, muscle imbalance, tightness. 366 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: You start there when I talk about total body workouts 367 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: and prehab versus rehab. This is one of the major reasons. 368 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: And regardless of what the issue is, you have back pain, 369 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: you have pure formist issues, you start doing total body 370 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: workouts where you're doing core exercises, you're doing you know, 371 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: a great mix of lower body exercises. You know, it's 372 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: incredible many of those issues go away. But the problem 373 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: is that you have to give it time and it 374 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: takes work. You don't have to do an hour a 375 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: day every day. It truly comes down to excessive moderation 376 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: lower back issues. Back in the day with clients three 377 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: to five minutes of core exercises done three times a week, 378 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: life changing for many people, life changing. They have ridiculously 379 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: weak core muscles, lower back, especially spinally, rector muscles three 380 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: or five minutes done at home. Same thing with lower 381 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: body issues, step ups, squats, lunges, done progressively correctly. So 382 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: this is why you do total body workouts, and it 383 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: helps to figure out what the causes without knowing what 384 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the cause is. And that's why when I would sit 385 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: down with clients and they'd say, I have this pain, 386 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: and generally speaking, most weren't doing much of anything. And 387 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: so when you focus on the total body workout, strengthening 388 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: the body from head to toe, really good things happen. 389 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: And it sounds so overly simplistic, but it's true. You 390 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: strengthen your core, you strengthen your lower body, your strengthen 391 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: your upper body, you fix those weak links, and really 392 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: good things happen prehab versus rehab. And I'll leave you 393 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: with this the show I did on five Components of fitness. Yes, 394 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: stretching is important for this very reason. When you focus 395 00:29:52,160 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: on the five components of fitness strength, cardiovascular strength, muscular endurance, flexibility, 396 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: body composition, when you do a little bit of all 397 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: five really good things happen, Your symptoms decrease immeasurably, and 398 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: you don't have to And this is how we finished this. 399 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: It always feels like it's going to be short, but 400 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: it never is. But still what minutes that's doable. You 401 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: don't have to be the detective and figure things out perfectly, 402 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: because when you take a balanced approach to your life 403 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: and to your exercise, will throw nutrition in there. You 404 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: don't have to be an exercise physiologist and determine, oh, 405 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: it was my you know, hip flex ers that were tight, 406 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: That was it that was causing my back pain. Because 407 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: figuring out the absolute cause is really hard most of 408 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: the time. But if you do your flexibility and you're 409 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: stretching just enough, you'll have to do crazy amounts again, 410 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: but you're doing your stretching, you're doing your strength training, 411 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: you're doing your core, a little bit of everything. You 412 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: don't have to know exactly what the cause was, but 413 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: you can't spend the vast majority of your time and 414 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: money on just focusing on the symptoms. I got worked 415 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: up at the end, and I know, again it sounds 416 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: overly simplistic, but the solutions often are and the problem 417 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: is we're humans. Oh we want to get rid of 418 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: the pain as quickly as possible, and when people sell 419 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: you things that do that short term them. I get it, 420 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: especially when you're in significant pain. But we gotta figure 421 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: out the ideology the cause. And there's far too many 422 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: quote unquote experts who don't know what the heck they're 423 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: talking about. So the takeaway is focus on balance and consistency. 424 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: And I will drill that home show after show with 425 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: you because I'm living proof that it works. That pure 426 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: formance issue was the only one I've ever had when 427 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: it comes to an issue that annoyed me with all 428 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: the racing and all the years, and that's saying something 429 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: and it goes from my clients as well. There you 430 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: have it. Stop focusing just on the symptoms, start to 431 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: realize what the causes and the cause. Maybe, as is 432 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: so often the case, you're not being consistent with all 433 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: five components of fitness. 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