Speaker 1: Hey, what I welcome in. I'm godly this is all
Speaker 1: Ball and Bryan Mott and I is my guest. We've
Speaker 1: been friends since nineteen nineties seven, when we both transferred
Speaker 1: into Oaklahoma State. You've heard us before talking about Eddy
Speaker 1: Sutton stories. So in getting you ready for Game six
Speaker 1: and talking a little NBA draft and giving you some
Speaker 1: insight into what it's like to be the dad of
Speaker 1: one of the top rated fifteen year olds in the country,
Speaker 1: rising freshmen in the country, I thought we'd ask him
Speaker 1: about it. So take listen to our conversation. Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you think of this series before it started? All right,
Speaker 1: Celtics and the Warriors? Before it started, what do you think? Man,
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be. I thought i'd be
Speaker 1: a little back and forth. And the reason being is
Speaker 1: I think Marcus Smart does a heck of a job
Speaker 1: Garden Steph. And I just thought with the way the
Speaker 1: Celtics played defense and their size, I thought they would
Speaker 1: eliminate Draymond Green. And I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be a really good matchup for the Celtics defensively. So
Speaker 1: I figured that the Warriors would struggle a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I figured it would go seven games. So it's
Speaker 1: been a little back and forth the last few games,
Speaker 1: but the Warriors have been playing extremely well. You know,
Speaker 1: Steph in Game four had a phenomenal, phenomenal game, and
Speaker 1: then Game five with Wiggins, you know, doing what he did,
Speaker 1: I think kind of put the Warriors over the top
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. It's interesting. Wig was really good,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was that was the first
Speaker 1: time I can remember a team kind of selling out
Speaker 1: to stop stop staff Seth. I mean I think about that,
Speaker 1: like they were full face face guarding all the way
Speaker 1: to mid court. You know, they're blitzing him on picking rolls,
Speaker 1: and I mean it worked now, you know. Wig became
Speaker 1: the safety blanket, and I thought they did a great
Speaker 1: job getting isolated on the centers. But I'm just surprised
Speaker 1: more people haven't done it, or somebody hasn't done it,
Speaker 1: Like there's no kind of commitment to like cut off
Speaker 1: the head of the snake. He does everything. I totally agree, man,
Speaker 1: but I figured they had to do something different after
Speaker 1: Game four, you know, and he's been playing phenomenal this series, man.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been he's been by far head and
Speaker 1: shoulders better than what I thought, or what I anticipated
Speaker 1: anticipated him be and just because of the matchup with Marcus.
Speaker 1: You know, Marcus has done a really good job with him,
Speaker 1: but game four you couldn't guard him the same way
Speaker 1: you were gonna guard him in game Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: in game five, you're not gonna guard him the same
Speaker 1: way he did in game four. You're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: You want to get fired the correct and so so
Speaker 1: for him. That's why I kind of anticipated one of
Speaker 1: the you know, and Clay, the guys have been solid,
Speaker 1: but they just haven't had a breakout game, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean Clay Clay is is you know, he's been
Speaker 1: what eighteen twenty, He just hasn't had that breakout game.
Speaker 1: Wiggins hasn't had that breakout game. But the way they
Speaker 1: were guarding and spending so much energy and attention on
Speaker 1: on seth, you know, it freed up Wiggins to be
Speaker 1: able to do what he was gonna do. And I
Speaker 1: think too, you hit on a point two with the
Speaker 1: pick and roll situation. You know, I think they're you know,
Speaker 1: I think Kura is doing a really good job, you know,
Speaker 1: putting Williams in pick and roll, putting Horford and pick
Speaker 1: and roll and just the matchup deal that he had.
Speaker 1: Game four, you know, step Steph was getting open looks, man,
Speaker 1: and you know Clay hit a couple of shots. But
Speaker 1: Wiggins playing at home, you know one of those guys
Speaker 1: were gonna play play big time at home and have
Speaker 1: a breakout game. But I here's the crazy thing. If
Speaker 1: you told me Steph was gonna be over nine from three,
Speaker 1: I would be like, man, it would be hard for
Speaker 1: the Warriors to play or the Warriors to win, just
Speaker 1: based off of the way the series has gone so
Speaker 1: far and how much step has carried the Warriors. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So I mean this one's a hard one because on
Speaker 1: one level, I'd like to see a Game seven. I
Speaker 1: always like to see if you really find out who's
Speaker 1: hit and what's what in the game seven, right, dude,
Speaker 1: just get tight. So I'd love to see what happened
Speaker 1: game seven. On the other hand, the idea of the
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors winning a championship on the parquet of
Speaker 1: the Boston Guarden, that one appeals to me. Us which
Speaker 1: which ending would you prefer to see? I want to
Speaker 1: see game I'm I'm you know, I'm a basketball fan.
Speaker 1: I want to see Game seven, man, I want to
Speaker 1: see Game seven, two minutes tie ball game. I want
Speaker 1: to see these guys. I want to see these guys
Speaker 1: play it out. You know, I think I think you know,
Speaker 1: you're right with Golden State winning, you know, in Boston.
Speaker 1: I think it would be huge. But Game seven, Man,
Speaker 1: anything can happen in Game seven. Somebody turn an ankle,
Speaker 1: foul trouble, guys have a bad shooting night. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes a one game series then, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: drama can play out in the game seven. And the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is just the thing is you know, being
Speaker 1: you know, we we love ball, right We've done it
Speaker 1: our whole life, and and and just watching it, watching
Speaker 1: these guys compete, and how hard they're playing right now,
Speaker 1: and how skilled these guys are and how good they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't want to have a Game seven?
Speaker 1: You know, I think it. I think it's it would
Speaker 1: do big for the NBA, And I think there would
Speaker 1: be a lot of drama involved. Yeah, the game seven
Speaker 1: Father's Day. He got the idea of the Warriors trying
Speaker 1: to win at home. I'm not I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: not that I don't like Tatum. I liked Tatum, but
Speaker 1: I've never been just in love. It's weird because I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he had four air balls, but he actually
Speaker 1: shot like ten of twenty from the floor, which I
Speaker 1: know a lot of it was when it didn't matter,
Speaker 1: but but still, I mean, he wasn't Statistically, he wasn't terrible.
Speaker 1: Why does it feel like he's been worse than he
Speaker 1: actually has been because I think he's been overshadowed by
Speaker 1: Steph and what STEP's doing. Like you said, he's he's
Speaker 1: playing not terrible, but he hasn't had that elite NBA final,
Speaker 1: setting his legacy as as one of the best guys
Speaker 1: in the league right now. And I'm with you too, because,
Speaker 1: like I watched him at the end, it just seemed
Speaker 1: like he got uncomfortable, especially in Game four, man, when
Speaker 1: when Steph was going off and they just didn't have
Speaker 1: an answer for for the Warriors. They did, they just
Speaker 1: didn't make shots at the end, and and watching them
Speaker 1: turn the ball over in game in Game five the
Speaker 1: way the way they did. I'm with you, man, I
Speaker 1: think he's very talented, he's a hell of a player,
Speaker 1: but I just don't know if if it's his time
Speaker 1: yet to be the guy that that gets him over
Speaker 1: the top, and and and can win two games back
Speaker 1: to back, win a game six in a game seven
Speaker 1: on the road. It's weird because we have it. I
Speaker 1: think part of it is we have an image that
Speaker 1: all the guys who came in the league won immediately.
Speaker 1: And bird Magic obviously won immediately. But Jordan it took
Speaker 1: a long time right him to figure out Kobe it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It definitely wasn't overnight. So they got Phil I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Duncan and walked into it, walked into a
Speaker 1: kind of a made deal. But the idea that that
Speaker 1: these guys are are totally refined. I just it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's like you get in your mind. Okay, Jason tam
Speaker 1: fid to a point, But they did get further this
Speaker 1: year than they've ever gotten last year. So it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell whether he'll be able to overcome these things
Speaker 1: in the future or whether this is who he is
Speaker 1: because he's at his athletic peak, you know, right right?
Speaker 1: Is this speak like you said, is that is it a?
Speaker 1: Is he at his all time high right now? Like
Speaker 1: my thing is is like you get there and you
Speaker 1: kind of learned, you go through the They're playing the Warriors, right, right,
Speaker 1: The Warriors have been there, you know, staff Clay Draymond,
Speaker 1: They've been in this situation. They've played in a Game seven.
Speaker 1: You know, it's still there. They're still at a really
Speaker 1: high level. My thing is is is do the Celtics
Speaker 1: if they end up losing this series, right, do they
Speaker 1: grow from this and make a run at the title
Speaker 1: next year or is it like one of those things
Speaker 1: where they got here one year and they kind of
Speaker 1: fall off. So I'm an agreeance with you. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions with Tatum is a guy
Speaker 1: that's got to He's got to play phenomenal tomorrow night
Speaker 1: for them to have a chance to go back to
Speaker 1: Golden State on Father's Day. I mean, he's got to
Speaker 1: have a Steph curry S type Game four performance for
Speaker 1: them to even have a chance to play Golden State
Speaker 1: on Game seven. You know, it's weird as none of
Speaker 1: these games have ended up close scores. It's weird they
Speaker 1: just been the whole playoffs. Man, How is that? How
Speaker 1: how is that? That's the weirdest kind of phenomenon. Ever,
Speaker 1: that's a weird thing. But it's literally that's a thing.
Speaker 1: The Celtics have been through a bunch of those, like
Speaker 1: one of the closest, the closest game was the Nets game,
Speaker 1: Game one against the Nets. But otherwise, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been blowout city. But isn't it weird? I mean, especially
Speaker 1: considering that gave the other night, you know, where the
Speaker 1: Celtics couldn't score in the first quarter, couldn't make a shot,
Speaker 1: then they make the run of the third quarter, you know,
Speaker 1: but for Golden State to come back, but then to
Speaker 1: just kind of annihilate them and blow them out of
Speaker 1: the water is kind of fascinating. It's fascinating. So so
Speaker 1: what's your what's your what's your theory on that? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I have one. I'm sure I have one
Speaker 1: because I would say it's a Golden State thing, but
Speaker 1: it's not because I've you know, we saw with the
Speaker 1: Heat and the Celtics, We've seen with with other series.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why games kind of
Speaker 1: sporadic control. You know, the Celtics obviously late in that
Speaker 1: Heat series kind of failed to close. I guess, so
Speaker 1: that kind of got close. I think probably it is
Speaker 1: because a lot of teams just don't know how to
Speaker 1: I don't know how to make the comeback. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird I guess in the regular
Speaker 1: season everybody, everybody comes back, but there have not There's
Speaker 1: hasn't been buzzer beaters, haven't been overtime games. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm watching game one of the Stanley Cup Finals and
Speaker 1: they already got overtime. Like, man, that's kind of fun. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's okay, Let's let's go to NBA draft. Are you
Speaker 1: a check guy? I mean, I like him, and the
Speaker 1: reason I like him is he's he's very skilled. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a difference maker. You know, the first
Speaker 1: couple of years he's playing in the league, he's obviously
Speaker 1: got a mature and get stronger and and you develop
Speaker 1: his body. But I think, you know, as skilled as
Speaker 1: he is, man, I mean, I think he's a matchup
Speaker 1: nightmare at times. But what's he gonna look like in
Speaker 1: five question? I guess the big thing is like, what
Speaker 1: is he gonna look like in five years? You know,
Speaker 1: he adds twenty pounds of muscle and he's not getting
Speaker 1: pushed around. He's a matchup nightmare. So to answer a question,
Speaker 1: am I a Chet fan? I love his skill, He's
Speaker 1: really young. I'm intrigued by to see what he turns
Speaker 1: into in the next three to five years. One of
Speaker 1: what Oklahoma say, what Oklahoma City he'll do? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like Jabari is gonna go on, So then it's
Speaker 1: Shedder or Apollo Apologies, he's a grown man. He's a
Speaker 1: grown man. I think. I think you go Apollo if
Speaker 1: you're okay. See well, I mean here's the thing the Thunder.
Speaker 1: The Thunder really don't have I mean, they're rebuilding, right So,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you draft a guy like Chet,
Speaker 1: you're still he's not He's still he's still a couple
Speaker 1: of years away from being who he's going to become. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you develop, if you if you get Polo, he's
Speaker 1: got an NBA ready body right now. And I think
Speaker 1: year two he's a stud, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much longer you can just
Speaker 1: I don't know home how much longer you can you
Speaker 1: can stack draft picks and and continue to wait and rebuild.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been to this rebuild phase. What now,
Speaker 1: this is what year? Three year? Four? Yeah, so small
Speaker 1: market team, you're not gonna get. You're not gonna get
Speaker 1: a free agent. You're not gonna get you know, a
Speaker 1: vet coming in here, a superstar. You know, you've got
Speaker 1: to get guys now to start develop up in them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can wait on a guy
Speaker 1: three years, four years. I think you got to get
Speaker 1: somebody right away that's going to be able to help
Speaker 1: you win. Okay, So your your son is I don't
Speaker 1: know if you only use a prodigy, but he's considered
Speaker 1: one of the elite rising freshmen in the country. So
Speaker 1: now you're recruiting process, which we talked about previously, far
Speaker 1: different than his. What's what's it like to be? You know,
Speaker 1: he's your kind of underdog story. He's not from from
Speaker 1: your perspective, what's this like? There's a lot of the tension,
Speaker 1: you know, for him at a young age. I think
Speaker 1: the biggest thing with me is just keeping a reel
Speaker 1: with him, you know, and keeping him humbled, not letting
Speaker 1: him get ahead of himself, understanding where he's at right
Speaker 1: now and what the long term goal looks like. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we live in the day. We
Speaker 1: live each day, We day in the moment each day.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not We're not you know, looking what
Speaker 1: he's gonna look like in three years or four years.
Speaker 1: We're just you know, we work every day trying to
Speaker 1: add stuff to his game, and and and and and
Speaker 1: I honestly, man, I try to put him in scenarios
Speaker 1: in situations where he struggles a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: when he plays a U sometimes he gets away with
Speaker 1: some stuff because he's more talented than some of the
Speaker 1: kids he's playing against. But you know, the cool thing
Speaker 1: for me to watch him this summer's point, he's playing
Speaker 1: in our summer league with our varsity team, is putting
Speaker 1: mind guys that are seniors are seventeen, eighteen years old
Speaker 1: and they're really good high school players and watching him
Speaker 1: struggle a little bit. So I think it. I think
Speaker 1: it keeps him grounded. I think it keeps him focused
Speaker 1: on the things that he's got to do to get
Speaker 1: better at. You know, obviously he's got to get stronger.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's still a young kid. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a freshman in high school. But also it's it's
Speaker 1: it's making him adapts his game to play against kids
Speaker 1: that are bigger and stronger and faster. So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean we were we attack this thing every day.
Speaker 1: The thing I love about him is he works his
Speaker 1: tail off, man, he works his ass off. He's in
Speaker 1: the gym every day working and it's not anything that
Speaker 1: I have to do to chase him to get in there.
Speaker 1: So he's uh, he's he's meant fun to h to
Speaker 1: coach and just watch grow. You know, even if I
Speaker 1: wasn't his dad and I was just a high school coach,
Speaker 1: he'd be a kid. I'd be extremely excited about. Fox
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Speaker 1: to listen live. Yeah but okay, so but social media,
Speaker 1: like you know, it is you get do you you
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it? Do you have access to it?
Speaker 1: How do you handle? Man? It's kind of crazy. I
Speaker 1: talked to Desmond today about the same thing, and because Mace,
Speaker 1: Mace said something about him, and he was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, kids with social media platforms and the way
Speaker 1: it's going, and you know, if it's used right, it
Speaker 1: can benefit them and everything else. Yeah, so, and he
Speaker 1: told me all that stuff. But he's thinking from a
Speaker 1: business standpoint side of it, you know, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it from a dad's standpoint. You know. We do, me
Speaker 1: and his mom, we do monitor and stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And they're kids, man, I mean, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where they get a highlight or
Speaker 1: you know, they get something they want to post it.
Speaker 1: But like I always tell him, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, people are gonna come watch your play, you know, highlights.
Speaker 1: Everybody looks good in a highlight, but what do you
Speaker 1: look like when you're playing? And another thing is is
Speaker 1: you've got to understand, like you gotta target on your
Speaker 1: back and you got people talking about you, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna be have to accept the time when you don't
Speaker 1: play well and you get the negativity that comes with
Speaker 1: the positivity. So it's kind of that double edged sword, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they get caught up in social
Speaker 1: media and likes and videos and write ups and all
Speaker 1: that other stuff. But you got to keep them grounded, man,
Speaker 1: and you got to keep them keep them level headed.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's great. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess being his high school coach, that
Speaker 1: helps you, you know, you put some attack dog his
Speaker 1: seniors on them. But but but how because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously your kids different than my kids,
Speaker 1: different than other people's kids. That's everybody says, you know,
Speaker 1: we want to keep them balance whatever. But and we
Speaker 1: want to monitor social media, but you know, you can't
Speaker 1: really control snap, you know. And then I don't know
Speaker 1: how much you have access in i G And they
Speaker 1: get they kind of fall in love with their followers.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean kids, Like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think what used to be always back basketball is
Speaker 1: like the equity of the masses, right, Like, if you're
Speaker 1: a good basket up player, you're cool. Now that's how
Speaker 1: many followers you have on TikTok and how many followers
Speaker 1: you have on ig you know, right, how many likes
Speaker 1: everything else? Yeah, then you get Then here's another thing
Speaker 1: that we deal with. You get you get people, you know,
Speaker 1: kids get attention. Right. So then and this is the
Speaker 1: thing that drives me crazy about social media and dealing
Speaker 1: with this stuff. And I've talked to Rayford Young a
Speaker 1: little bit about going through this process. You get people,
Speaker 1: you know, your kid gets attention a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then people start picking them apart. These kids are fourteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen years old right now, they start picking them apart. Oh,
Speaker 1: he can't do this, he can't do that, he can't
Speaker 1: do this. So people get shortsighted on the fact that
Speaker 1: these these they're still young and they're still kids, but
Speaker 1: they're not looking at how talented they are and the
Speaker 1: things that they can do. And some of it is
Speaker 1: some of it is you know out there, you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta know who you're gonna pay attention to. I'd
Speaker 1: say the other side to it is this you gotta
Speaker 1: know you're gonna pay attention to, because that's the problem
Speaker 1: with social media is you know, every idiot from here
Speaker 1: to mbuck two has access, and you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: blue check or whatever is something you go with. But
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it is also people need
Speaker 1: to change how they word it, especially like you said,
Speaker 1: a fourteen fifty year old kid, he needs to get
Speaker 1: stronger and he needs to get tougher, and he's to
Speaker 1: learn to go right, which is different than he can't
Speaker 1: because like you said, he's fourteen, he's fifteen, he's sixteen
Speaker 1: years old. But then the other it's like how do
Speaker 1: you and you can't really control it, but it's like
Speaker 1: you want to. You want to give them a piece
Speaker 1: of taste of the real world and how tough it
Speaker 1: can be, but you don't want it to be the
Speaker 1: level of viciousness. That's I think that's just a hard part. Right,
Speaker 1: once you expose them to social media, how do you
Speaker 1: dealt back? You know, you're already trying to model value back.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's like the relationship that
Speaker 1: we have as father's son, you know. I mean it's
Speaker 1: that I'm his dad, you know, and I'm gonna, well,
Speaker 1: thank you. I think I think we've established that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I'm going to protect him,
Speaker 1: but also I'm gonna let him fail a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him go through the heart aches. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let him go through the times when things don't
Speaker 1: go his way. But also it's like keeping it real
Speaker 1: with him and saying this, this is where you want
Speaker 1: to go. These are the things that you're going to
Speaker 1: go to if you want to achieve the ultimate goal
Speaker 1: that you're trying to achieve. Wherever it is you want
Speaker 1: to play at Oklahoma State. Well, this is the heart
Speaker 1: ache that you're going to go through to earn a
Speaker 1: scholarship to go play at Oklahoma State, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's the peaks and valleys. I mean, we're raising the kids,
Speaker 1: you know, we're raising our kids, but we're trying to
Speaker 1: keep it real with them also, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to be patted on the back and tell
Speaker 1: you how great you are. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: no one wants to hear the criticism that comes with
Speaker 1: it or when you're told, hey, you're not good enough
Speaker 1: in this area. This is what you gotta do to
Speaker 1: work to get it. This is how you do it. Now,
Speaker 1: you got to go put in the work and do it,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's the balance of of
Speaker 1: just keeping it real with him, man, and and and
Speaker 1: and like I said before, it's like living in the moment.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about, you know, his senior year and
Speaker 1: things like that. We're just trying to add stuff to
Speaker 1: his game now to help develop him as as a
Speaker 1: player and and see where it goes. When when you
Speaker 1: were a kid, so it was always mosque in Michigan, yep.
Speaker 1: So when you when you're a kid, where's your place. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you did this. Like I used
Speaker 1: to go down the street about one, two, three, four
Speaker 1: or five houses down on the left because Garrett Phipps's
Speaker 1: house and Garrett Phips's house. One was cool because his
Speaker 1: dad had those Takade beer posters up on this ceiling.
Speaker 1: So it's like my first time to see it. Some tits,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what I was pretty impressed. And
Speaker 1: then so and sometimes my brother would like lock me
Speaker 1: out of the garage. They'd ride bikes whatever. But he
Speaker 1: had a flat driveway. We didn't have a flat driveway
Speaker 1: and a basketball hoop and no one else ever used it.
Speaker 1: So I go down there and that's where I That's
Speaker 1: where I like him, worked on my game. That was
Speaker 1: what I played, imaginary games. Did you have a place
Speaker 1: like that, Absolutely, it was. It was in my remember
Speaker 1: in my drive we had a dirt driveway. I was
Speaker 1: probably yeah, yeah man, yeah man. This was in Mosqugan Heights, Michigan.
Speaker 1: So Moskegan Heights, inner city, you know, rough area. We
Speaker 1: had a dirt driveway. Yeah, man, we had a dirt driveway.
Speaker 1: This is before I moved out to the suburbs. So
Speaker 1: we had a dirt driveway and uh, the Heights was
Speaker 1: always known for Heights. I mean they were good basketball.
Speaker 1: Uh good high school basketball team. So I remember growing
Speaker 1: up there and we had we put a closed hanger
Speaker 1: on the garage and we would shoot a tennis ball.
Speaker 1: We had a tennis ball, so we would play. And
Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking like it. I mean it was
Speaker 1: a tight area. The driveway was really small. It was
Speaker 1: like ten ft ten feet wide by maybe fifteen feet
Speaker 1: in depth. And we would play three on three out
Speaker 1: there and just shooting hoop and everything else. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's where it started. Man. And then as I
Speaker 1: got older, there was a park it was called Parslow
Speaker 1: Park where where you'd go out man, and I'd walk
Speaker 1: to the park, dribble my basketball, get out there, and
Speaker 1: then in the summertime, growing man would come out and
Speaker 1: start playing about three four o'clock and they would play
Speaker 1: all night. Man, they would sit there till ten eleven
Speaker 1: o'clock at night and play. So that was my first,
Speaker 1: you know, when I fell in love with with hoop
Speaker 1: and was going to the park and and just just
Speaker 1: playing with these grown men man. I mean, and you
Speaker 1: know the chain, the chain that. You know, it wasn't nets.
Speaker 1: It was chain linked nets. That's a net. It's a net.
Speaker 1: It's just not a cloth net. Yeah. But you know
Speaker 1: in the double rims, the double rims, double rims, the
Speaker 1: worst who invented double rims? Oh? Yeah, so so but
Speaker 1: it was just hooping man with grown men. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like where you where you you
Speaker 1: learn how to play man? Oh, you learned about a
Speaker 1: bench of things. So so mine was we used to well,
Speaker 1: there's two places. One there's racquetball World. My daddy's played raquetball.
Speaker 1: I go up there. He'd get me in a game.
Speaker 1: And all you had to do that racketball World was
Speaker 1: you had to be like I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: you had to be thirteen. And I started going, I
Speaker 1: was twelve. Whatever. You put your name on the board,
Speaker 1: they'd call it up, and so we got like are
Speaker 1: you thirteen? Like, yeah, I'm thirteen. But that was super
Speaker 1: late bloomed anyway, and it was four on four sideways
Speaker 1: and you know you're planning just old men that just
Speaker 1: can barely move. They was trying to get exercise. But
Speaker 1: that was good, I mean, because they were you know,
Speaker 1: you had to deal with their size whatever. Then he
Speaker 1: had to make shots or make plays in order to
Speaker 1: kind of feel like you're earn people's respect that you
Speaker 1: weren't just out there. And then we go to Miles
Speaker 1: Square Park on Saturday morning at seven am. So he
Speaker 1: would get me up at like six thirty. And I
Speaker 1: don't remember like I remember him getting me up. Just
Speaker 1: I would go and get in the car and we'd
Speaker 1: go to the park and he would basically call game
Speaker 1: for me and then help me pick up a team,
Speaker 1: and then you know, stayed us playing and I usually
Speaker 1: if he won the first game, then he would just
Speaker 1: take off and if I lost the next. If I lost,
Speaker 1: then he would help me call game and then maybe
Speaker 1: he'd stay around for like fifteen more minutes. And then
Speaker 1: he was at I'll see you later, and he give
Speaker 1: me five bucks, and I just when I was hungry,
Speaker 1: I would go across the street. I get you know,
Speaker 1: he speedsa in some a gatorade and then or a
Speaker 1: coke or something, and then I'd come back and I play,
Speaker 1: and then eventually he'd show up. That was it. That
Speaker 1: was my I loved every second of it. It was
Speaker 1: how cool was it? Thole? Like back back when we
Speaker 1: were coming up, Like you would literally go to the
Speaker 1: park and hoop all day long. Yes, like all day long.
Speaker 1: I remember going. I remember when I played in junior
Speaker 1: college out at Fullerton, Man, we would go to Newport
Speaker 1: Beach or go to Venice. We would do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would go down there and sit there right and
Speaker 1: you may wait an hour to get on the court,
Speaker 1: and if you lost, you might wait two hours to
Speaker 1: get back on the court. That's just how many people
Speaker 1: were down there hooping. Man. So it was like I
Speaker 1: remember being at Venice one day and we won like
Speaker 1: three or four games in a row, Man, and it
Speaker 1: was it's just it's just a different vibe. But you
Speaker 1: spent all day at the park just hooping. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I fitness for that, because you know, they have
Speaker 1: gyms in like all their other spots now. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but you drive it's like it's like here in Oklahoma, Man,
Speaker 1: when it's not three hundred degrees outside, you drive by
Speaker 1: a park, Man, there's no one out there hooping. You know,
Speaker 1: a long time ago, there would be there would be
Speaker 1: you know, you go buy a part, man, there's there's
Speaker 1: a ton of dudes out there playing, you know, I
Speaker 1: just but no way. He talks about the pickup of
Speaker 1: toul soklong like, man, you wouldn't get to pick up
Speaker 1: in here's the deal. But but but think about it,
Speaker 1: think about it, Doug, when we were in high school,
Speaker 1: how many how many pros? No? I know, I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. They don't play out no way
Speaker 1: plays outside anymore. It is so, but do do people
Speaker 1: still play pick up the way they used to play
Speaker 1: pick up? Or is now? Is it everybody going to trainers,
Speaker 1: well careers. Guys that have careers mostly do trainers. Guys
Speaker 1: that are post careers, they did pick up. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying high school guys high school guys because they
Speaker 1: play in tournaments where they just play a bunch of games.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I did with my son to
Speaker 1: in order to play playing more is play them on
Speaker 1: two different teams, you know, one high level one low level.
Speaker 1: I mean in one like thirteen one twelve, and then
Speaker 1: it's like playing pick up. You know, he played four
Speaker 1: games in a day, you know, play feel like he
Speaker 1: played four games? Like didn't you want to play pick
Speaker 1: up as a kid? Yeah? We played all day, man,
Speaker 1: you played all day all day like dog, Yeah all day.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, yes, coach and your son. Yes,
Speaker 1: are you hard on him? I was really hard on
Speaker 1: him for a long time and that did not go well,
Speaker 1: and that probably that's probably the hardest part in you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a little PTSD from it. But uh, I
Speaker 1: have a ton of fun with him too, and he's
Speaker 1: like a fun kid, a fun kid. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: I was really hard on him. Now not as much
Speaker 1: because now, you know, I want it's easier to talk
Speaker 1: to him. He's older and he understands more. And you know,
Speaker 1: we'll still get an argument every now and again and
Speaker 1: I usually win them. But you know, he started becoming
Speaker 1: kind of a better listener. But yeah, there's there's some
Speaker 1: I've been hard on him in the past. I'm a
Speaker 1: lot a lot better to him now. So let me
Speaker 1: ask you. You leave the court, or you leave the court,
Speaker 1: you get into him a little bit during the game,
Speaker 1: You leave the court, get you get in the car.
Speaker 1: Is it continue in the car ride home or is
Speaker 1: it done? Usually what I do is like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: just leave it at one thing, you know, and then
Speaker 1: say that one thing and then move on. And usually
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear the one thing, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, listen to me your phone and
Speaker 1: if I have his phone and have his at tension,
Speaker 1: and then it was just like one thing. Then I
Speaker 1: tell him and then he's good, and then we're good.
Speaker 1: It's usually we leave it, you know. And then and
Speaker 1: then usually when we roll backs like hey, don't tell
Speaker 1: your mom we got like that. No, listen, I got
Speaker 1: you at doctor Pepper. Just don't tell her anything, you know.
Speaker 1: So this is the funny thing dealing with this, right,
Speaker 1: coaching your kid. Like last night I got in I
Speaker 1: told Jalen to do something, and he was like, why
Speaker 1: would I do that when I was open? So I
Speaker 1: got an him a little bit because I told you
Speaker 1: I feel rule, because I told your right. I told
Speaker 1: him a rule in my life because I told you
Speaker 1: so right, So so I I got an him a
Speaker 1: little bit. So then after the game, his mom is
Speaker 1: looking at me sideways like I can't believe you yelled
Speaker 1: at him like that, you know. But I'm like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you call me complaining about him when he
Speaker 1: doesn't clean his run up room up or he talks
Speaker 1: back to you or does all this other stuff. But
Speaker 1: like I just yelled at him for not doing what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do playing. It's because it's in public.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. I think it's in
Speaker 1: it's in public, and then somehow they feel a part
Speaker 1: of it, you know, attack on them whatever, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's their baby. They're still maternal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait till
Speaker 1: you call me and tell me his room is not
Speaker 1: clean and you told him to do something and he
Speaker 1: didn't do it. I can't because I'm gonna do the
Speaker 1: same thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna roll my eyes at you,
Speaker 1: all right, last thing? Uh who wins morning or tonight? Sorry?
Speaker 1: This still dropped him on. So who insight Celtics get
Speaker 1: it done at home? Force to get why? Because you
Speaker 1: want to see a game seven? That's real? That for sure,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I'm I want to see a game seven.
Speaker 1: I just think I think it's gonna be really hard.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of toughness and a lot
Speaker 1: of pride with the Celtics, obviously. I just think them playing.
Speaker 1: I don't think Wiggins is gonna have the game he
Speaker 1: had in Game five. Somebody's gonna have to step up
Speaker 1: and beat them. Besides Steph, you got Clay. Look, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this, I think the Warriors win. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just the construct of the Celtics is'll throw five
Speaker 1: great defenders out there, you know, and they're okay offensively,
Speaker 1: you know, two guys is obviously better than the rest.
Speaker 1: I think Kadom's pretty pretty damn good. They're just kind
Speaker 1: of a mess and you can't give them extra possessions.
Speaker 1: They've kind of figured you out a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm in talking with the Warriors, kind of figured you
Speaker 1: out a little bit. And you know, I think like
Speaker 1: Gary Peyton's getting more comfortable, Clay is getting more comfortable,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, Wiggins, everybody's like Wiggins did play great,
Speaker 1: but he still hasn't made a shot. He's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna make a shot. And you know, you're just you're
Speaker 1: still you're getting a little bit more from Clay every game.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, if I'm Boston, I
Speaker 1: played the exact same way defensively, that shit worked. Take
Speaker 1: that dude out of the game, you know, and just
Speaker 1: being in his head, just face guard him the whole time,
Speaker 1: don't give him. They'll let him get the ball. Fine,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I'm sure they're gonna get some easy
Speaker 1: shots and some floaters, you know when they when they
Speaker 1: blit some on a trappick. I don't know, just take
Speaker 1: him out of the game. That that gives you a
Speaker 1: kind of competitive advantage to take that guy. It does.
Speaker 1: It puts pressure on everybody else. But I do think
Speaker 1: they have some other dudes, So I think Draymond gets
Speaker 1: in the way though. Game game six, man, Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 1: It is Kurg gonna take him out again. I think
Speaker 1: he did a hell of a job game four by
Speaker 1: by benching him. They were the Warriors were searching for
Speaker 1: answers and Kerr bench and Draymond, you know, for that
Speaker 1: five six minute stretch was huge, man, and then Steph
Speaker 1: being But I just I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a game seven, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I really do, And I'm hoping for it. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that they'll you know, like I'm with you, I think
Speaker 1: I think they guard step the same way they did
Speaker 1: in game five and try to make someone else beat them,
Speaker 1: all right, and hoping we get a game seven. We
Speaker 1: shall see, Hey, dude, thanks for doing this. We did
Speaker 1: talk about your kids, clean his room and all other stuff,
Speaker 1: and we'll do it again, all right, brother, appreciate you ONMI.
Speaker 1: Thanks met everybody. So that's my conversation with my man.
Speaker 1: Brian Montinotty, of course, is head coach at Owassa High School.
Speaker 1: He played a long time, play with me at ok State,
Speaker 1: done previous stuff with him. But I just thought you'd
Speaker 1: appreciate a little bit of you know, dad of a
Speaker 1: prodigy and let me assume dad dad to a prodigy,
Speaker 1: right add to a prodigy, and then of course a
Speaker 1: little bit of coaching your kid and a lot of
Speaker 1: NBA talk, you know, getting ready for a historic game
Speaker 1: six like you know. For me, I mean I do,
Speaker 1: I like, I obviously respect how the Celtics played defensively,
Speaker 1: how tough they are, and how they took kind of
Speaker 1: the next step this year. And no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to the well with Chris Middleton would have played thing
Speaker 1: all right now, just talking about the Celtics. So it's
Speaker 1: not out of like a lot like I like what
Speaker 1: they've done. They've built a team that's sustainable, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be good for a long long time. You know they'll
Speaker 1: they'll switch out some pieces, but that's a group that
Speaker 1: that's going to stay together and be really good for
Speaker 1: a long time. But the Warriors are They're unique there,
Speaker 1: They're a meteor. These things don't come along very often.
Speaker 1: And how they play without the basketball, the joy with
Speaker 1: which they play, that the talk of playing for each other,
Speaker 1: cheering for each other to succeed, like what in the NBA,
Speaker 1: like really like that's exactly what they do. And I
Speaker 1: just I want to see him win in Boston. Guard.
Speaker 1: That's really what it is. I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: baller deal. When you win on the road, win a championship,
Speaker 1: you take champagne their locker room. Hell yeah right, that's
Speaker 1: Those are the best. Those are the best. Yeah, road
Speaker 1: wins are the best. I remember you can listen to
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