WEBVTT - All Ball - Warriors/Celtics Game 6 Preview, NBA Draft/Holmgren Debate 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.200 Hey, what I welcome in. I'm godly this is all 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.760 Ball and Bryan Mott and I is my guest. We've 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.600 been friends since nineteen nineties seven, when we both transferred 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.480 into Oaklahoma State. You've heard us before talking about Eddy 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:26.520 Sutton stories. So in getting you ready for Game six 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.120 and talking a little NBA draft and giving you some 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.120 insight into what it's like to be the dad of 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.360 one of the top rated fifteen year olds in the country, 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:41.040 rising freshmen in the country, I thought we'd ask him 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:48.239 about it. So take listen to our conversation. Okay, what 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.760 do you think of this series before it started? All right, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.880 Celtics and the Warriors? Before it started, what do you think? Man, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.760 I thought it was gonna be. I thought i'd be 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.480 a little back and forth. And the reason being is 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.559 I think Marcus Smart does a heck of a job 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:12.520 Garden Steph. And I just thought with the way the 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.119 Celtics played defense and their size, I thought they would 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.480 eliminate Draymond Green. And I thought it was going to 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.360 be a really good matchup for the Celtics defensively. So 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.479 I figured that the Warriors would struggle a little bit, 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.520 and I figured it would go seven games. So it's 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.320 been a little back and forth the last few games, 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.960 but the Warriors have been playing extremely well. You know, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:46.200 Steph in Game four had a phenomenal, phenomenal game, and 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:51.920 then Game five with Wiggins, you know, doing what he did, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.880 I think kind of put the Warriors over the top 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:02.520 a little bit. You know. It's interesting. Wig was really good, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.880 but a lot of it was that was the first 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.600 time I can remember a team kind of selling out 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.360 to stop stop staff Seth. I mean I think about that, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.240 like they were full face face guarding all the way 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.639 to mid court. You know, they're blitzing him on picking rolls, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:25.720 and I mean it worked now, you know. Wig became 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.560 the safety blanket, and I thought they did a great 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.960 job getting isolated on the centers. But I'm just surprised 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.240 more people haven't done it, or somebody hasn't done it, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.560 Like there's no kind of commitment to like cut off 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.679 the head of the snake. He does everything. I totally agree, man, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.000 but I figured they had to do something different after 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.320 Game four, you know, and he's been playing phenomenal this series, man. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:56.320 I mean he's been he's been by far head and 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.800 shoulders better than what I thought, or what I anticipated 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.080 anticipated him be and just because of the matchup with Marcus. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.880 You know, Marcus has done a really good job with him, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.200 but game four you couldn't guard him the same way 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.960 you were gonna guard him in game Yeah. I mean 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.639 in game five, you're not gonna guard him the same 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.079 way he did in game four. You're not gonna do it. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.880 You want to get fired the correct and so so 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.080 for him. That's why I kind of anticipated one of 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.120 the you know, and Clay, the guys have been solid, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.720 but they just haven't had a breakout game, you know. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.680 I mean Clay Clay is is you know, he's been 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.720 what eighteen twenty, He just hasn't had that breakout game. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:41.360 Wiggins hasn't had that breakout game. But the way they 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.440 were guarding and spending so much energy and attention on 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.960 on seth, you know, it freed up Wiggins to be 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.320 able to do what he was gonna do. And I 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.760 think too, you hit on a point two with the 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.360 pick and roll situation. You know, I think they're you know, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.280 I think Kura is doing a really good job, you know, 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.360 putting Williams in pick and roll, putting Horford and pick 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.960 and roll and just the matchup deal that he had. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:11.640 Game four, you know, step Steph was getting open looks, man, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.080 and you know Clay hit a couple of shots. But 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.200 Wiggins playing at home, you know one of those guys 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.800 were gonna play play big time at home and have 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.560 a breakout game. But I here's the crazy thing. If 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.800 you told me Steph was gonna be over nine from three, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.520 I would be like, man, it would be hard for 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.520 the Warriors to play or the Warriors to win, just 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.400 based off of the way the series has gone so 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:41.960 far and how much step has carried the Warriors. Yeah, okay, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:48.760 So I mean this one's a hard one because on 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.320 one level, I'd like to see a Game seven. I 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.719 always like to see if you really find out who's 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.680 hit and what's what in the game seven, right, dude, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.480 just get tight. So I'd love to see what happened 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.120 game seven. On the other hand, the idea of the 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:08.839 Golden State Warriors winning a championship on the parquet of 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:14.600 the Boston Guarden, that one appeals to me. Us which 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.640 which ending would you prefer to see? I want to 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.720 see game I'm I'm you know, I'm a basketball fan. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.560 I want to see Game seven, man, I want to 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.120 see Game seven, two minutes tie ball game. I want 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.040 to see these guys. I want to see these guys 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.080 play it out. You know, I think I think you know, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.920 you're right with Golden State winning, you know, in Boston. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.800 I think it would be huge. But Game seven, Man, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.760 anything can happen in Game seven. Somebody turn an ankle, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.039 foul trouble, guys have a bad shooting night. I mean, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.320 you know, it becomes a one game series then, you know, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.800 I mean it's there's a lot of a lot of 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.080 drama can play out in the game seven. And the 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.440 biggest thing is just the thing is you know, being 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.599 you know, we we love ball, right We've done it 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.359 our whole life, and and and just watching it, watching 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.880 these guys compete, and how hard they're playing right now, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.120 and how skilled these guys are and how good they are. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.040 I mean, who wouldn't want to have a Game seven? 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.880 You know, I think it. I think it's it would 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:15.479 do big for the NBA, And I think there would 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.400 be a lot of drama involved. Yeah, the game seven 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.080 Father's Day. He got the idea of the Warriors trying 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:28.560 to win at home. I'm not I don't know, it's 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.000 not that I don't like Tatum. I liked Tatum, but 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:37.920 I've never been just in love. It's weird because I mean, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.040 I think he had four air balls, but he actually 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.880 shot like ten of twenty from the floor, which I 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.080 know a lot of it was when it didn't matter, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.479 but but still, I mean, he wasn't Statistically, he wasn't terrible. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.200 Why does it feel like he's been worse than he 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:57.320 actually has been because I think he's been overshadowed by 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.960 Steph and what STEP's doing. Like you said, he's he's 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:08.080 playing not terrible, but he hasn't had that elite NBA final, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.440 setting his legacy as as one of the best guys 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.559 in the league right now. And I'm with you too, because, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.480 like I watched him at the end, it just seemed 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:22.239 like he got uncomfortable, especially in Game four, man, when 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.960 when Steph was going off and they just didn't have 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.800 an answer for for the Warriors. They did, they just 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.240 didn't make shots at the end, and and watching them 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.640 turn the ball over in game in Game five the 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.920 way the way they did. I'm with you, man, I 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.080 think he's very talented, he's a hell of a player, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.480 but I just don't know if if it's his time 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.600 yet to be the guy that that gets him over 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.480 the top, and and and can win two games back 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.320 to back, win a game six in a game seven 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.520 on the road. It's weird because we have it. I 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.160 think part of it is we have an image that 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.200 all the guys who came in the league won immediately. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:09.080 And bird Magic obviously won immediately. But Jordan it took 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.800 a long time right him to figure out Kobe it wasn't. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.880 It definitely wasn't overnight. So they got Phil I mean, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.880 you know, Duncan and walked into it, walked into a 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:24.560 kind of a made deal. But the idea that that 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.239 these guys are are totally refined. I just it's weird. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.440 It's like you get in your mind. Okay, Jason tam 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.480 fid to a point, But they did get further this 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.200 year than they've ever gotten last year. So it's hard 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.000 to tell whether he'll be able to overcome these things 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.280 in the future or whether this is who he is 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.880 because he's at his athletic peak, you know, right right? 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.320 Is this speak like you said, is that is it a? 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.960 Is he at his all time high right now? Like 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.680 my thing is is like you get there and you 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.280 kind of learned, you go through the They're playing the Warriors, right, right, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.560 The Warriors have been there, you know, staff Clay Draymond, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.640 They've been in this situation. They've played in a Game seven. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.720 You know, it's still there. They're still at a really 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:17.479 high level. My thing is is is do the Celtics 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:22.000 if they end up losing this series, right, do they 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.760 grow from this and make a run at the title 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.760 next year or is it like one of those things 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.520 where they got here one year and they kind of 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.959 fall off. So I'm an agreeance with you. I don't know, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.480 there's a lot of questions with Tatum is a guy 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.319 that's got to He's got to play phenomenal tomorrow night 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.760 for them to have a chance to go back to 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.920 Golden State on Father's Day. I mean, he's got to 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:51.400 have a Steph curry S type Game four performance for 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.960 them to even have a chance to play Golden State 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.839 on Game seven. You know, it's weird as none of 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:04.320 these games have ended up close scores. It's weird they 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.080 just been the whole playoffs. Man, How is that? How 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.760 how is that? That's the weirdest kind of phenomenon. Ever, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.400 that's a weird thing. But it's literally that's a thing. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.720 The Celtics have been through a bunch of those, like 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.880 one of the closest, the closest game was the Nets game, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.040 Game one against the Nets. But otherwise, I mean, it's 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.320 been blowout city. But isn't it weird? I mean, especially 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.640 considering that gave the other night, you know, where the 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.280 Celtics couldn't score in the first quarter, couldn't make a shot, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.080 then they make the run of the third quarter, you know, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.800 but for Golden State to come back, but then to 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.800 just kind of annihilate them and blow them out of 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:47.600 the water is kind of fascinating. It's fascinating. So so 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.240 what's your what's your what's your theory on that? I'm 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.600 not sure I have one. I'm sure I have one 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.240 because I would say it's a Golden State thing, but 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.040 it's not because I've you know, we saw with the 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.320 Heat and the Celtics, We've seen with with other series. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.200 I don't know, I don't know why games kind of 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.600 sporadic control. You know, the Celtics obviously late in that 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.720 Heat series kind of failed to close. I guess, so 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.719 that kind of got close. I think probably it is 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.240 because a lot of teams just don't know how to 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.240 I don't know how to make the comeback. I don't know, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.000 it's a it's a weird I guess in the regular 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.560 season everybody, everybody comes back, but there have not There's 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.760 hasn't been buzzer beaters, haven't been overtime games. You know, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.000 I'm watching game one of the Stanley Cup Finals and 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:37.080 they already got overtime. Like, man, that's kind of fun. Anyway, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.720 that's okay, Let's let's go to NBA draft. Are you 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:47.680 a check guy? I mean, I like him, and the 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:53.840 reason I like him is he's he's very skilled. I 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:58.200 don't think he's a difference maker. You know, the first 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.400 couple of years he's playing in the league, he's obviously 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.160 got a mature and get stronger and and you develop 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.400 his body. But I think, you know, as skilled as 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.439 he is, man, I mean, I think he's a matchup 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.320 nightmare at times. But what's he gonna look like in 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.520 five question? I guess the big thing is like, what 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.440 is he gonna look like in five years? You know, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.439 he adds twenty pounds of muscle and he's not getting 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:28.840 pushed around. He's a matchup nightmare. So to answer a question, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.800 am I a Chet fan? I love his skill, He's 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.120 really young. I'm intrigued by to see what he turns 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:42.280 into in the next three to five years. One of 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.559 what Oklahoma say, what Oklahoma City he'll do? Because I 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.480 feel like Jabari is gonna go on, So then it's 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.000 Shedder or Apollo Apologies, he's a grown man. He's a 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.160 grown man. I think. I think you go Apollo if 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.800 you're okay. See well, I mean here's the thing the Thunder. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.199 The Thunder really don't have I mean, they're rebuilding, right So, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.920 I mean, if you if you draft a guy like Chet, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.240 you're still he's not He's still he's still a couple 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:15.000 of years away from being who he's going to become. Yes, 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.840 if you develop, if you if you get Polo, he's 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.360 got an NBA ready body right now. And I think 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:28.480 year two he's a stud, you know what I'm saying. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.280 And I don't know how much longer you can just 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.880 I don't know home how much longer you can you 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:38.679 can stack draft picks and and continue to wait and rebuild. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.160 I mean, they've been to this rebuild phase. What now, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:46.079 this is what year? Three year? Four? Yeah, so small 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.200 market team, you're not gonna get. You're not gonna get 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:52.559 a free agent. You're not gonna get you know, a 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.680 vet coming in here, a superstar. You know, you've got 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.440 to get guys now to start develop up in them. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:01.720 I don't know if you can wait on a guy 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.360 three years, four years. I think you got to get 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.040 somebody right away that's going to be able to help 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:11.080 you win. Okay, So your your son is I don't 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.720 know if you only use a prodigy, but he's considered 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.280 one of the elite rising freshmen in the country. So 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.640 now you're recruiting process, which we talked about previously, far 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:25.120 different than his. What's what's it like to be? You know, 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.080 he's your kind of underdog story. He's not from from 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:36.080 your perspective, what's this like? There's a lot of the tension, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.200 you know, for him at a young age. I think 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.520 the biggest thing with me is just keeping a reel 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:47.640 with him, you know, and keeping him humbled, not letting 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.480 him get ahead of himself, understanding where he's at right 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.160 now and what the long term goal looks like. And 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.880 I mean, I think we live in the day. We 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.080 live each day, We day in the moment each day. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:05.320 You know, we're not We're not you know, looking what 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.800 he's gonna look like in three years or four years. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.520 We're just you know, we work every day trying to 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.160 add stuff to his game, and and and and and 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.480 I honestly, man, I try to put him in scenarios 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.720 in situations where he struggles a little bit. You know, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.960 when he plays a U sometimes he gets away with 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.760 some stuff because he's more talented than some of the 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.240 kids he's playing against. But you know, the cool thing 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.760 for me to watch him this summer's point, he's playing 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:35.080 in our summer league with our varsity team, is putting 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.400 mind guys that are seniors are seventeen, eighteen years old 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.720 and they're really good high school players and watching him 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.600 struggle a little bit. So I think it. I think 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:49.160 it keeps him grounded. I think it keeps him focused 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:50.920 on the things that he's got to do to get 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.800 better at. You know, obviously he's got to get stronger. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.200 I mean, he's he's still a young kid. He's gonna 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.520 be a freshman in high school. But also it's it's 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.240 it's making him adapts his game to play against kids 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:08.600 that are bigger and stronger and faster. So you know, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.440 I mean we were we attack this thing every day. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.120 The thing I love about him is he works his 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.080 tail off, man, he works his ass off. He's in 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.320 the gym every day working and it's not anything that 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.000 I have to do to chase him to get in there. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:28.440 So he's uh, he's he's meant fun to h to 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.880 coach and just watch grow. You know, even if I 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.840 wasn't his dad and I was just a high school coach, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.640 he'd be a kid. I'd be extremely excited about. Fox 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.760 Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.040 Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.720 com and within the iHeart Radio app. Search f SR 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.960 to listen live. Yeah but okay, so but social media, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:57.040 like you know, it is you get do you you 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.120 keep an eye on it? Do you have access to it? 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.160 How do you handle? Man? It's kind of crazy. I 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:07.640 talked to Desmond today about the same thing, and because Mace, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.080 Mace said something about him, and he was talking about, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.600 you know, kids with social media platforms and the way 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.440 it's going, and you know, if it's used right, it 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.960 can benefit them and everything else. Yeah, so, and he 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.040 told me all that stuff. But he's thinking from a 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.440 business standpoint side of it, you know, and I'm thinking 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.040 it from a dad's standpoint. You know. We do, me 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.240 and his mom, we do monitor and stuff, you know. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.960 And they're kids, man, I mean, you know, it's it's 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.800 one of those things where they get a highlight or 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.800 you know, they get something they want to post it. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.520 But like I always tell him, I'm like, you know, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.040 you know, people are gonna come watch your play, you know, highlights. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.080 Everybody looks good in a highlight, but what do you 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.159 look like when you're playing? And another thing is is 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.680 you've got to understand, like you gotta target on your 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.920 back and you got people talking about you, so you're 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.640 gonna be have to accept the time when you don't 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.240 play well and you get the negativity that comes with 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.760 the positivity. So it's kind of that double edged sword, man. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.280 I mean, you know, they get caught up in social 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.639 media and likes and videos and write ups and all 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.000 that other stuff. But you got to keep them grounded, man, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.520 and you got to keep them keep them level headed. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.000 You know. It's it's it's great. I mean, I mean, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.800 I guess I guess being his high school coach, that 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.040 helps you, you know, you put some attack dog his 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.960 seniors on them. But but but how because it's like, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.560 you know, I mean, obviously your kids different than my kids, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.639 different than other people's kids. That's everybody says, you know, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.000 we want to keep them balance whatever. But and we 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.400 want to monitor social media, but you know, you can't 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.200 really control snap, you know. And then I don't know 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.800 how much you have access in i G And they 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.600 get they kind of fall in love with their followers. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:57.040 I mean, you know, I mean kids, Like I'm trying 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.119 to think what used to be always back basketball is 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.840 like the equity of the masses, right, Like, if you're 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.159 a good basket up player, you're cool. Now that's how 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.320 many followers you have on TikTok and how many followers 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.560 you have on ig you know, right, how many likes 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.479 everything else? Yeah, then you get Then here's another thing 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.080 that we deal with. You get you get people, you know, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.320 kids get attention. Right. So then and this is the 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.920 thing that drives me crazy about social media and dealing 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.840 with this stuff. And I've talked to Rayford Young a 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.520 little bit about going through this process. You get people, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.600 you know, your kid gets attention a little bit, and 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.240 then people start picking them apart. These kids are fourteen, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.240 fifteen years old right now, they start picking them apart. Oh, 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.320 he can't do this, he can't do that, he can't 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.879 do this. So people get shortsighted on the fact that 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.440 these these they're still young and they're still kids, but 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.840 they're not looking at how talented they are and the 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:54.560 things that they can do. And some of it is 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.760 some of it is you know out there, you gotta 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.600 you gotta know who you're gonna pay attention to. I'd 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.280 say the other side to it is this you gotta 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.320 know you're gonna pay attention to, because that's the problem 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.639 with social media is you know, every idiot from here 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.159 to mbuck two has access, and you know, maybe a 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.760 blue check or whatever is something you go with. But 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:18.639 you know, a lot of it is also people need 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:20.760 to change how they word it, especially like you said, 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.679 a fourteen fifty year old kid, he needs to get 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.480 stronger and he needs to get tougher, and he's to 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.119 learn to go right, which is different than he can't 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.159 because like you said, he's fourteen, he's fifteen, he's sixteen 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.960 years old. But then the other it's like how do 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.720 you and you can't really control it, but it's like 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.440 you want to. You want to give them a piece 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.240 of taste of the real world and how tough it 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.399 can be, but you don't want it to be the 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.960 level of viciousness. That's I think that's just a hard part. Right, 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:50.760 once you expose them to social media, how do you 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.480 dealt back? You know, you're already trying to model value back. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.800 I think it's I think it's like the relationship that 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.280 we have as father's son, you know. I mean it's 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:06.560 that I'm his dad, you know, and I'm gonna, well, 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.200 thank you. I think I think we've established that. Yeah, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.320 But what I'm saying is I'm going to protect him, 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.520 but also I'm gonna let him fail a little bit. 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.199 I'm gonna let him go through the heart aches. I'm 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.960 gonna let him go through the times when things don't 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.479 go his way. But also it's like keeping it real 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.560 with him and saying this, this is where you want 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:25.960 to go. These are the things that you're going to 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.760 go to if you want to achieve the ultimate goal 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.679 that you're trying to achieve. Wherever it is you want 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:32.840 to play at Oklahoma State. Well, this is the heart 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:34.879 ache that you're going to go through to earn a 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.359 scholarship to go play at Oklahoma State, you know. So 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.640 it's the peaks and valleys. I mean, we're raising the kids, 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.960 you know, we're raising our kids, but we're trying to 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.199 keep it real with them also, you know, I mean, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.280 everybody wants to be patted on the back and tell 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.400 you how great you are. But at the same time, 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.080 no one wants to hear the criticism that comes with 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.520 it or when you're told, hey, you're not good enough 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.240 in this area. This is what you gotta do to 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.840 work to get it. This is how you do it. Now, 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:04.359 you got to go put in the work and do it, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.280 you know. So I think it's the balance of of 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:10.720 just keeping it real with him, man, and and and 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.920 and like I said before, it's like living in the moment. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.359 We don't talk about, you know, his senior year and 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.639 things like that. We're just trying to add stuff to 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:24.240 his game now to help develop him as as a 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:29.480 player and and see where it goes. When when you 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:33.560 were a kid, so it was always mosque in Michigan, yep. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.280 So when you when you're a kid, where's your place. Well, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:38.880 I don't know if you did this. Like I used 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:43.360 to go down the street about one, two, three, four 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.840 or five houses down on the left because Garrett Phipps's 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.280