1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Hey, what I welcome in. I'm godly this is all 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Ball and Bryan Mott and I is my guest. We've 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: been friends since nineteen nineties seven, when we both transferred 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: into Oaklahoma State. You've heard us before talking about Eddy 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Sutton stories. So in getting you ready for Game six 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: and talking a little NBA draft and giving you some 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: insight into what it's like to be the dad of 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: one of the top rated fifteen year olds in the country, 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: rising freshmen in the country, I thought we'd ask him 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: about it. So take listen to our conversation. Okay, what 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: do you think of this series before it started? All right, 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: Celtics and the Warriors? Before it started, what do you think? Man, 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be. I thought i'd be 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: a little back and forth. And the reason being is 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: I think Marcus Smart does a heck of a job 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Garden Steph. And I just thought with the way the 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: Celtics played defense and their size, I thought they would 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: eliminate Draymond Green. And I thought it was going to 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: be a really good matchup for the Celtics defensively. So 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: I figured that the Warriors would struggle a little bit, 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: and I figured it would go seven games. So it's 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: been a little back and forth the last few games, 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: but the Warriors have been playing extremely well. You know, 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Steph in Game four had a phenomenal, phenomenal game, and 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: then Game five with Wiggins, you know, doing what he did, 26 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: I think kind of put the Warriors over the top 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. It's interesting. Wig was really good, 28 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: but a lot of it was that was the first 29 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: time I can remember a team kind of selling out 30 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: to stop stop staff Seth. I mean I think about that, 31 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: like they were full face face guarding all the way 32 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: to mid court. You know, they're blitzing him on picking rolls, 33 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: and I mean it worked now, you know. Wig became 34 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: the safety blanket, and I thought they did a great 35 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: job getting isolated on the centers. But I'm just surprised 36 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: more people haven't done it, or somebody hasn't done it, 37 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Like there's no kind of commitment to like cut off 38 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: the head of the snake. He does everything. I totally agree, man, 39 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: but I figured they had to do something different after 40 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Game four, you know, and he's been playing phenomenal this series, man. 41 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean he's been he's been by far head and 42 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: shoulders better than what I thought, or what I anticipated 43 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: anticipated him be and just because of the matchup with Marcus. 44 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: You know, Marcus has done a really good job with him, 45 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: but game four you couldn't guard him the same way 46 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: you were gonna guard him in game Yeah. I mean 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: in game five, you're not gonna guard him the same 48 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: way he did in game four. You're not gonna do it. 49 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: You want to get fired the correct and so so 50 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: for him. That's why I kind of anticipated one of 51 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: the you know, and Clay, the guys have been solid, 52 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: but they just haven't had a breakout game, you know. 53 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean Clay Clay is is you know, he's been 54 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: what eighteen twenty, He just hasn't had that breakout game. 55 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Wiggins hasn't had that breakout game. But the way they 56 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: were guarding and spending so much energy and attention on 57 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: on seth, you know, it freed up Wiggins to be 58 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: able to do what he was gonna do. And I 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: think too, you hit on a point two with the 60 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: pick and roll situation. You know, I think they're you know, 61 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: I think Kura is doing a really good job, you know, 62 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: putting Williams in pick and roll, putting Horford and pick 63 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: and roll and just the matchup deal that he had. 64 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Game four, you know, step Steph was getting open looks, man, 65 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: and you know Clay hit a couple of shots. But 66 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: Wiggins playing at home, you know one of those guys 67 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: were gonna play play big time at home and have 68 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: a breakout game. But I here's the crazy thing. If 69 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: you told me Steph was gonna be over nine from three, 70 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: I would be like, man, it would be hard for 71 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: the Warriors to play or the Warriors to win, just 72 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: based off of the way the series has gone so 73 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: far and how much step has carried the Warriors. Yeah, okay, 74 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: So I mean this one's a hard one because on 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: one level, I'd like to see a Game seven. I 76 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: always like to see if you really find out who's 77 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: hit and what's what in the game seven, right, dude, 78 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: just get tight. So I'd love to see what happened 79 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: game seven. On the other hand, the idea of the 80 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors winning a championship on the parquet of 81 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: the Boston Guarden, that one appeals to me. Us which 82 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: which ending would you prefer to see? I want to 83 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: see game I'm I'm you know, I'm a basketball fan. 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: I want to see Game seven, man, I want to 85 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: see Game seven, two minutes tie ball game. I want 86 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: to see these guys. I want to see these guys 87 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: play it out. You know, I think I think you know, 88 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: you're right with Golden State winning, you know, in Boston. 89 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: I think it would be huge. But Game seven, Man, 90 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: anything can happen in Game seven. Somebody turn an ankle, 91 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: foul trouble, guys have a bad shooting night. I mean, 92 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, it becomes a one game series then, you know, 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's there's a lot of a lot of 94 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: drama can play out in the game seven. And the 95 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: biggest thing is just the thing is you know, being 96 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: you know, we we love ball, right We've done it 97 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: our whole life, and and and just watching it, watching 98 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: these guys compete, and how hard they're playing right now, 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: and how skilled these guys are and how good they are. 100 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't want to have a Game seven? 101 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, I think it. I think it's it would 102 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: do big for the NBA, And I think there would 103 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: be a lot of drama involved. Yeah, the game seven 104 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Father's Day. He got the idea of the Warriors trying 105 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: to win at home. I'm not I don't know, it's 106 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: not that I don't like Tatum. I liked Tatum, but 107 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: I've never been just in love. It's weird because I mean, 108 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: I think he had four air balls, but he actually 109 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: shot like ten of twenty from the floor, which I 110 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of it was when it didn't matter, 111 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: but but still, I mean, he wasn't Statistically, he wasn't terrible. 112 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Why does it feel like he's been worse than he 113 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: actually has been because I think he's been overshadowed by 114 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: Steph and what STEP's doing. Like you said, he's he's 115 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: playing not terrible, but he hasn't had that elite NBA final, 116 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: setting his legacy as as one of the best guys 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 1: in the league right now. And I'm with you too, because, 118 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: like I watched him at the end, it just seemed 119 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: like he got uncomfortable, especially in Game four, man, when 120 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: when Steph was going off and they just didn't have 121 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: an answer for for the Warriors. They did, they just 122 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: didn't make shots at the end, and and watching them 123 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: turn the ball over in game in Game five the 124 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: way the way they did. I'm with you, man, I 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: think he's very talented, he's a hell of a player, 126 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: but I just don't know if if it's his time 127 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: yet to be the guy that that gets him over 128 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: the top, and and and can win two games back 129 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: to back, win a game six in a game seven 130 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: on the road. It's weird because we have it. I 131 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: think part of it is we have an image that 132 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: all the guys who came in the league won immediately. 133 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: And bird Magic obviously won immediately. But Jordan it took 134 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: a long time right him to figure out Kobe it wasn't. 135 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: It definitely wasn't overnight. So they got Phil I mean, 136 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, Duncan and walked into it, walked into a 137 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: kind of a made deal. But the idea that that 138 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: these guys are are totally refined. I just it's weird. 139 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: It's like you get in your mind. Okay, Jason tam 140 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: fid to a point, But they did get further this 141 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: year than they've ever gotten last year. So it's hard 142 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: to tell whether he'll be able to overcome these things 143 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: in the future or whether this is who he is 144 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: because he's at his athletic peak, you know, right right? 145 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: Is this speak like you said, is that is it a? 146 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: Is he at his all time high right now? Like 147 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: my thing is is like you get there and you 148 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: kind of learned, you go through the They're playing the Warriors, right, right, 149 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: The Warriors have been there, you know, staff Clay Draymond, 150 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: They've been in this situation. They've played in a Game seven. 151 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's still there. They're still at a really 152 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:17,479 Speaker 1: high level. My thing is is is do the Celtics 153 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: if they end up losing this series, right, do they 154 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: grow from this and make a run at the title 155 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: next year or is it like one of those things 156 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: where they got here one year and they kind of 157 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: fall off. So I'm an agreeance with you. I don't know, 158 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions with Tatum is a guy 159 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: that's got to He's got to play phenomenal tomorrow night 160 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: for them to have a chance to go back to 161 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: Golden State on Father's Day. I mean, he's got to 162 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: have a Steph curry S type Game four performance for 163 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: them to even have a chance to play Golden State 164 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: on Game seven. You know, it's weird as none of 165 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: these games have ended up close scores. It's weird they 166 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: just been the whole playoffs. Man, How is that? How 167 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: how is that? That's the weirdest kind of phenomenon. Ever, 168 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: that's a weird thing. But it's literally that's a thing. 169 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: The Celtics have been through a bunch of those, like 170 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: one of the closest, the closest game was the Nets game, 171 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: Game one against the Nets. But otherwise, I mean, it's 172 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: been blowout city. But isn't it weird? I mean, especially 173 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: considering that gave the other night, you know, where the 174 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Celtics couldn't score in the first quarter, couldn't make a shot, 175 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: then they make the run of the third quarter, you know, 176 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: but for Golden State to come back, but then to 177 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: just kind of annihilate them and blow them out of 178 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: the water is kind of fascinating. It's fascinating. So so 179 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: what's your what's your what's your theory on that? I'm 180 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: not sure I have one. I'm sure I have one 181 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: because I would say it's a Golden State thing, but 182 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: it's not because I've you know, we saw with the 183 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: Heat and the Celtics, We've seen with with other series. 184 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why games kind of 185 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: sporadic control. You know, the Celtics obviously late in that 186 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Heat series kind of failed to close. I guess, so 187 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: that kind of got close. I think probably it is 188 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: because a lot of teams just don't know how to 189 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how to make the comeback. I don't know, 190 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird I guess in the regular 191 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: season everybody, everybody comes back, but there have not There's 192 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: hasn't been buzzer beaters, haven't been overtime games. You know, 193 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm watching game one of the Stanley Cup Finals and 194 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: they already got overtime. Like, man, that's kind of fun. Anyway, 195 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: that's okay, Let's let's go to NBA draft. Are you 196 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: a check guy? I mean, I like him, and the 197 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: reason I like him is he's he's very skilled. I 198 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: don't think he's a difference maker. You know, the first 199 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: couple of years he's playing in the league, he's obviously 200 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: got a mature and get stronger and and you develop 201 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: his body. But I think, you know, as skilled as 202 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: he is, man, I mean, I think he's a matchup 203 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: nightmare at times. But what's he gonna look like in 204 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: five question? I guess the big thing is like, what 205 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: is he gonna look like in five years? You know, 206 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: he adds twenty pounds of muscle and he's not getting 207 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: pushed around. He's a matchup nightmare. So to answer a question, 208 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: am I a Chet fan? I love his skill, He's 209 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: really young. I'm intrigued by to see what he turns 210 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: into in the next three to five years. One of 211 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: what Oklahoma say, what Oklahoma City he'll do? Because I 212 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: feel like Jabari is gonna go on, So then it's 213 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: Shedder or Apollo Apologies, he's a grown man. He's a 214 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: grown man. I think. I think you go Apollo if 215 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: you're okay. See well, I mean here's the thing the Thunder. 216 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: The Thunder really don't have I mean, they're rebuilding, right So, 217 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you draft a guy like Chet, 218 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: you're still he's not He's still he's still a couple 219 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: of years away from being who he's going to become. Yes, 220 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: if you develop, if you if you get Polo, he's 221 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: got an NBA ready body right now. And I think 222 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: year two he's a stud, you know what I'm saying. 223 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know how much longer you can just 224 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: I don't know home how much longer you can you 225 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: can stack draft picks and and continue to wait and rebuild. 226 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they've been to this rebuild phase. What now, 227 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: this is what year? Three year? Four? Yeah, so small 228 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: market team, you're not gonna get. You're not gonna get 229 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: a free agent. You're not gonna get you know, a 230 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: vet coming in here, a superstar. You know, you've got 231 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: to get guys now to start develop up in them. 232 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can wait on a guy 233 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: three years, four years. I think you got to get 234 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: somebody right away that's going to be able to help 235 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: you win. Okay, So your your son is I don't 236 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: know if you only use a prodigy, but he's considered 237 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: one of the elite rising freshmen in the country. So 238 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: now you're recruiting process, which we talked about previously, far 239 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: different than his. What's what's it like to be? You know, 240 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: he's your kind of underdog story. He's not from from 241 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: your perspective, what's this like? There's a lot of the tension, 242 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, for him at a young age. I think 243 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the biggest thing with me is just keeping a reel 244 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: with him, you know, and keeping him humbled, not letting 245 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: him get ahead of himself, understanding where he's at right 246 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: now and what the long term goal looks like. And 247 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we live in the day. We 248 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: live each day, We day in the moment each day. 249 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: You know, we're not We're not you know, looking what 250 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna look like in three years or four years. 251 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: We're just you know, we work every day trying to 252 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: add stuff to his game, and and and and and 253 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: I honestly, man, I try to put him in scenarios 254 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: in situations where he struggles a little bit. You know, 255 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: when he plays a U sometimes he gets away with 256 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: some stuff because he's more talented than some of the 257 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: kids he's playing against. But you know, the cool thing 258 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: for me to watch him this summer's point, he's playing 259 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: in our summer league with our varsity team, is putting 260 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: mind guys that are seniors are seventeen, eighteen years old 261 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: and they're really good high school players and watching him 262 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: struggle a little bit. So I think it. I think 263 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: it keeps him grounded. I think it keeps him focused 264 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: on the things that he's got to do to get 265 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: better at. You know, obviously he's got to get stronger. 266 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's still a young kid. He's gonna 267 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: be a freshman in high school. But also it's it's 268 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: it's making him adapts his game to play against kids 269 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: that are bigger and stronger and faster. So you know, 270 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean we were we attack this thing every day. 271 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: The thing I love about him is he works his 272 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: tail off, man, he works his ass off. He's in 273 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the gym every day working and it's not anything that 274 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: I have to do to chase him to get in there. 275 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: So he's uh, he's he's meant fun to h to 276 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: coach and just watch grow. You know, even if I 277 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: wasn't his dad and I was just a high school coach, 278 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: he'd be a kid. I'd be extremely excited about. Fox 279 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 280 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 281 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: com and within the iHeart Radio app. Search f SR 282 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: to listen live. Yeah but okay, so but social media, 283 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: like you know, it is you get do you you 284 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: keep an eye on it? Do you have access to it? 285 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: How do you handle? Man? It's kind of crazy. I 286 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: talked to Desmond today about the same thing, and because Mace, 287 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: Mace said something about him, and he was talking about, 288 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, kids with social media platforms and the way 289 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: it's going, and you know, if it's used right, it 290 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: can benefit them and everything else. Yeah, so, and he 291 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: told me all that stuff. But he's thinking from a 292 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: business standpoint side of it, you know, and I'm thinking 293 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: it from a dad's standpoint. You know. We do, me 294 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: and his mom, we do monitor and stuff, you know. 295 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: And they're kids, man, I mean, you know, it's it's 296 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: one of those things where they get a highlight or 297 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, they get something they want to post it. 298 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: But like I always tell him, I'm like, you know, 299 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, people are gonna come watch your play, you know, highlights. 300 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: Everybody looks good in a highlight, but what do you 301 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: look like when you're playing? And another thing is is 302 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: you've got to understand, like you gotta target on your 303 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: back and you got people talking about you, so you're 304 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: gonna be have to accept the time when you don't 305 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: play well and you get the negativity that comes with 306 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: the positivity. So it's kind of that double edged sword, man. 307 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they get caught up in social 308 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: media and likes and videos and write ups and all 309 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: that other stuff. But you got to keep them grounded, man, 310 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: and you got to keep them keep them level headed. 311 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's great. I mean, I mean, 312 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: I guess I guess being his high school coach, that 313 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: helps you, you know, you put some attack dog his 314 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: seniors on them. But but but how because it's like, 315 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously your kids different than my kids, 316 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: different than other people's kids. That's everybody says, you know, 317 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: we want to keep them balance whatever. But and we 318 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: want to monitor social media, but you know, you can't 319 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: really control snap, you know. And then I don't know 320 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: how much you have access in i G And they 321 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: get they kind of fall in love with their followers. 322 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean kids, Like I'm trying 323 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: to think what used to be always back basketball is 324 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: like the equity of the masses, right, Like, if you're 325 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: a good basket up player, you're cool. Now that's how 326 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: many followers you have on TikTok and how many followers 327 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: you have on ig you know, right, how many likes 328 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: everything else? Yeah, then you get Then here's another thing 329 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: that we deal with. You get you get people, you know, 330 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: kids get attention. Right. So then and this is the 331 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: thing that drives me crazy about social media and dealing 332 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: with this stuff. And I've talked to Rayford Young a 333 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: little bit about going through this process. You get people, 334 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, your kid gets attention a little bit, and 335 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: then people start picking them apart. These kids are fourteen, 336 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: fifteen years old right now, they start picking them apart. Oh, 337 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: he can't do this, he can't do that, he can't 338 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: do this. So people get shortsighted on the fact that 339 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: these these they're still young and they're still kids, but 340 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: they're not looking at how talented they are and the 341 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: things that they can do. And some of it is 342 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: some of it is you know out there, you gotta 343 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: you gotta know who you're gonna pay attention to. I'd 344 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: say the other side to it is this you gotta 345 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: know you're gonna pay attention to, because that's the problem 346 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: with social media is you know, every idiot from here 347 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: to mbuck two has access, and you know, maybe a 348 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: blue check or whatever is something you go with. But 349 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it is also people need 350 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: to change how they word it, especially like you said, 351 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: a fourteen fifty year old kid, he needs to get 352 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: stronger and he needs to get tougher, and he's to 353 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: learn to go right, which is different than he can't 354 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: because like you said, he's fourteen, he's fifteen, he's sixteen 355 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: years old. But then the other it's like how do 356 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: you and you can't really control it, but it's like 357 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: you want to. You want to give them a piece 358 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: of taste of the real world and how tough it 359 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: can be, but you don't want it to be the 360 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: level of viciousness. That's I think that's just a hard part. Right, 361 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: once you expose them to social media, how do you 362 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: dealt back? You know, you're already trying to model value back. 363 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's like the relationship that 364 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: we have as father's son, you know. I mean it's 365 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: that I'm his dad, you know, and I'm gonna, well, 366 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: thank you. I think I think we've established that. Yeah, 367 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I'm going to protect him, 368 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: but also I'm gonna let him fail a little bit. 369 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him go through the heart aches. I'm 370 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: gonna let him go through the times when things don't 371 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: go his way. But also it's like keeping it real 372 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: with him and saying this, this is where you want 373 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: to go. These are the things that you're going to 374 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: go to if you want to achieve the ultimate goal 375 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: that you're trying to achieve. Wherever it is you want 376 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: to play at Oklahoma State. Well, this is the heart 377 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: ache that you're going to go through to earn a 378 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: scholarship to go play at Oklahoma State, you know. So 379 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: it's the peaks and valleys. I mean, we're raising the kids, 380 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're raising our kids, but we're trying to 381 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: keep it real with them also, you know, I mean, 382 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: everybody wants to be patted on the back and tell 383 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: you how great you are. But at the same time, 384 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: no one wants to hear the criticism that comes with 385 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: it or when you're told, hey, you're not good enough 386 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: in this area. This is what you gotta do to 387 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: work to get it. This is how you do it. Now, 388 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: you got to go put in the work and do it, 389 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's the balance of of 390 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: just keeping it real with him, man, and and and 391 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: and like I said before, it's like living in the moment. 392 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: We don't talk about, you know, his senior year and 393 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: things like that. We're just trying to add stuff to 394 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: his game now to help develop him as as a 395 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: player and and see where it goes. When when you 396 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: were a kid, so it was always mosque in Michigan, yep. 397 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: So when you when you're a kid, where's your place. Well, 398 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if you did this. Like I used 399 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: to go down the street about one, two, three, four 400 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: or five houses down on the left because Garrett Phipps's 401 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: house and Garrett Phips's house. One was cool because his 402 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: dad had those Takade beer posters up on this ceiling. 403 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: So it's like my first time to see it. Some tits, 404 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what I was pretty impressed. And 405 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: then so and sometimes my brother would like lock me 406 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: out of the garage. They'd ride bikes whatever. But he 407 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: had a flat driveway. We didn't have a flat driveway 408 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: and a basketball hoop and no one else ever used it. 409 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: So I go down there and that's where I That's 410 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: where I like him, worked on my game. That was 411 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: what I played, imaginary games. Did you have a place 412 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: like that, Absolutely, it was. It was in my remember 413 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: in my drive we had a dirt driveway. I was 414 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: probably yeah, yeah man, yeah man. This was in Mosqugan Heights, Michigan. 415 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: So Moskegan Heights, inner city, you know, rough area. We 416 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: had a dirt driveway. Yeah, man, we had a dirt driveway. 417 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: This is before I moved out to the suburbs. So 418 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: we had a dirt driveway and uh, the Heights was 419 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: always known for Heights. I mean they were good basketball. 420 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: Uh good high school basketball team. So I remember growing 421 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: up there and we had we put a closed hanger 422 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: on the garage and we would shoot a tennis ball. 423 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: We had a tennis ball, so we would play. And 424 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking like it. I mean it was 425 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: a tight area. The driveway was really small. It was 426 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: like ten ft ten feet wide by maybe fifteen feet 427 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: in depth. And we would play three on three out 428 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: there and just shooting hoop and everything else. I mean, 429 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: that's that's where it started. Man. And then as I 430 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: got older, there was a park it was called Parslow 431 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: Park where where you'd go out man, and I'd walk 432 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: to the park, dribble my basketball, get out there, and 433 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: then in the summertime, growing man would come out and 434 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: start playing about three four o'clock and they would play 435 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: all night. Man, they would sit there till ten eleven 436 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: o'clock at night and play. So that was my first, 437 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, when I fell in love with with hoop 438 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: and was going to the park and and just just 439 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: playing with these grown men man. I mean, and you 440 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: know the chain, the chain that. You know, it wasn't nets. 441 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: It was chain linked nets. That's a net. It's a net. 442 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: It's just not a cloth net. Yeah. But you know 443 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: in the double rims, the double rims, double rims, the 444 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: worst who invented double rims? Oh? Yeah, so so but 445 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: it was just hooping man with grown men. Man. I mean, 446 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like where you where you you 447 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: learn how to play man? Oh, you learned about a 448 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: bench of things. So so mine was we used to well, 449 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: there's two places. One there's racquetball World. My daddy's played raquetball. 450 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: I go up there. He'd get me in a game. 451 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: And all you had to do that racketball World was 452 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: you had to be like I don't want to say, 453 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: you had to be thirteen. And I started going, I 454 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: was twelve. Whatever. You put your name on the board, 455 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: they'd call it up, and so we got like are 456 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: you thirteen? Like, yeah, I'm thirteen. But that was super 457 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: late bloomed anyway, and it was four on four sideways 458 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: and you know you're planning just old men that just 459 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: can barely move. They was trying to get exercise. But 460 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: that was good, I mean, because they were you know, 461 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: you had to deal with their size whatever. Then he 462 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: had to make shots or make plays in order to 463 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of feel like you're earn people's respect that you 464 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: weren't just out there. And then we go to Miles 465 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Square Park on Saturday morning at seven am. So he 466 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: would get me up at like six thirty. And I 467 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: don't remember like I remember him getting me up. Just 468 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: I would go and get in the car and we'd 469 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: go to the park and he would basically call game 470 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: for me and then help me pick up a team, 471 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: and then you know, stayed us playing and I usually 472 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: if he won the first game, then he would just 473 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: take off and if I lost the next. If I lost, 474 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: then he would help me call game and then maybe 475 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: he'd stay around for like fifteen more minutes. And then 476 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: he was at I'll see you later, and he give 477 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: me five bucks, and I just when I was hungry, 478 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: I would go across the street. I get you know, 479 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: he speedsa in some a gatorade and then or a 480 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: coke or something, and then I'd come back and I play, 481 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: and then eventually he'd show up. That was it. That 482 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: was my I loved every second of it. It was 483 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: how cool was it? Thole? Like back back when we 484 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: were coming up, Like you would literally go to the 485 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: park and hoop all day long. Yes, like all day long. 486 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: I remember going. I remember when I played in junior 487 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: college out at Fullerton, Man, we would go to Newport 488 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: Beach or go to Venice. We would do it. Yeah, 489 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: we would go down there and sit there right and 490 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: you may wait an hour to get on the court, 491 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: and if you lost, you might wait two hours to 492 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: get back on the court. That's just how many people 493 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: were down there hooping. Man. So it was like I 494 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: remember being at Venice one day and we won like 495 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: three or four games in a row, Man, and it 496 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: was it's just it's just a different vibe. But you 497 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: spent all day at the park just hooping. Yeah, I 498 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: mean I fitness for that, because you know, they have 499 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: gyms in like all their other spots now. So yeah, 500 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: but you drive it's like it's like here in Oklahoma, Man, 501 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: when it's not three hundred degrees outside, you drive by 502 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: a park, Man, there's no one out there hooping. You know, 503 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: a long time ago, there would be there would be 504 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, you go buy a part, man, there's there's 505 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: a ton of dudes out there playing, you know, I 506 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: just but no way. He talks about the pickup of 507 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: toul soklong like, man, you wouldn't get to pick up 508 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: in here's the deal. But but but think about it, 509 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: think about it, Doug, when we were in high school, 510 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: how many how many pros? No? I know, I know 511 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. They don't play out no way 512 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: plays outside anymore. It is so, but do do people 513 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: still play pick up the way they used to play 514 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: pick up? Or is now? Is it everybody going to trainers, 515 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: well careers. Guys that have careers mostly do trainers. Guys 516 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: that are post careers, they did pick up. But I'm 517 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: just saying high school guys high school guys because they 518 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: play in tournaments where they just play a bunch of games. 519 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I did with my son to 520 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: in order to play playing more is play them on 521 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: two different teams, you know, one high level one low level. 522 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean in one like thirteen one twelve, and then 523 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: it's like playing pick up. You know, he played four 524 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: games in a day, you know, play feel like he 525 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: played four games? Like didn't you want to play pick 526 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: up as a kid? Yeah? We played all day, man, 527 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: you played all day all day like dog, Yeah all day. 528 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, yes, coach and your son. Yes, 529 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: are you hard on him? I was really hard on 530 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: him for a long time and that did not go well, 531 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: and that probably that's probably the hardest part in you know, 532 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: he's got a little PTSD from it. But uh, I 533 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: have a ton of fun with him too, and he's 534 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: like a fun kid, a fun kid. So but yeah, 535 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: I was really hard on him. Now not as much 536 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: because now, you know, I want it's easier to talk 537 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: to him. He's older and he understands more. And you know, 538 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: we'll still get an argument every now and again and 539 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: I usually win them. But you know, he started becoming 540 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: kind of a better listener. But yeah, there's there's some 541 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: I've been hard on him in the past. I'm a 542 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: lot a lot better to him now. So let me 543 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: ask you. You leave the court, or you leave the court, 544 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: you get into him a little bit during the game, 545 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: You leave the court, get you get in the car. 546 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: Is it continue in the car ride home or is 547 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: it done? Usually what I do is like, hey, let's 548 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: just leave it at one thing, you know, and then 549 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: say that one thing and then move on. And usually 550 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear the one thing, and then 551 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: I was like, dude, listen to me your phone and 552 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: if I have his phone and have his at tension, 553 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: and then it was just like one thing. Then I 554 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: tell him and then he's good, and then we're good. 555 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: It's usually we leave it, you know. And then and 556 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: then usually when we roll backs like hey, don't tell 557 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: your mom we got like that. No, listen, I got 558 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: you at doctor Pepper. Just don't tell her anything, you know. 559 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: So this is the funny thing dealing with this, right, 560 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: coaching your kid. Like last night I got in I 561 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: told Jalen to do something, and he was like, why 562 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: would I do that when I was open? So I 563 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: got an him a little bit because I told you 564 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: I feel rule, because I told your right. I told 565 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: him a rule in my life because I told you 566 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: so right, So so I I got an him a 567 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: little bit. So then after the game, his mom is 568 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: looking at me sideways like I can't believe you yelled 569 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: at him like that, you know. But I'm like, wait 570 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: a minute, you call me complaining about him when he 571 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: doesn't clean his run up room up or he talks 572 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: back to you or does all this other stuff. But 573 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: like I just yelled at him for not doing what 574 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to do playing. It's because it's in public. 575 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. I think it's in 576 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: it's in public, and then somehow they feel a part 577 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: of it, you know, attack on them whatever, and it's 578 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's their baby. They're still maternal. I mean, 579 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait till 580 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: you call me and tell me his room is not 581 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: clean and you told him to do something and he 582 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: didn't do it. I can't because I'm gonna do the 583 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: same thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna roll my eyes at you, 584 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: all right, last thing? Uh who wins morning or tonight? Sorry? 585 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: This still dropped him on. So who insight Celtics get 586 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: it done at home? Force to get why? Because you 587 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: want to see a game seven? That's real? That for sure, 588 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: that's I mean, I'm I want to see a game seven. 589 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: I just think I think it's gonna be really hard. 590 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of toughness and a lot 591 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: of pride with the Celtics, obviously. I just think them playing. 592 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't think Wiggins is gonna have the game he 593 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: had in Game five. Somebody's gonna have to step up 594 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: and beat them. Besides Steph, you got Clay. Look, I'll 595 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: tell you this, I think the Warriors win. I mean, 596 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: I just the construct of the Celtics is'll throw five 597 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: great defenders out there, you know, and they're okay offensively, 598 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, two guys is obviously better than the rest. 599 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: I think Kadom's pretty pretty damn good. They're just kind 600 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: of a mess and you can't give them extra possessions. 601 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: They've kind of figured you out a little bit, you know. 602 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm in talking with the Warriors, kind of figured you 603 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: out a little bit. And you know, I think like 604 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Gary Peyton's getting more comfortable, Clay is getting more comfortable, 605 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, Wiggins, everybody's like Wiggins did play great, 606 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: but he still hasn't made a shot. He's gonna he's 607 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: gonna make a shot. And you know, you're just you're 608 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: still you're getting a little bit more from Clay every game. 609 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, if I'm Boston, I 610 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: played the exact same way defensively, that shit worked. Take 611 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: that dude out of the game, you know, and just 612 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: being in his head, just face guard him the whole time, 613 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: don't give him. They'll let him get the ball. Fine, 614 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's I'm sure they're gonna get some easy 615 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: shots and some floaters, you know when they when they 616 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: blit some on a trappick. I don't know, just take 617 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: him out of the game. That that gives you a 618 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of competitive advantage to take that guy. It does. 619 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: It puts pressure on everybody else. But I do think 620 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: they have some other dudes, So I think Draymond gets 621 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: in the way though. Game game six, man, Yeah, it's possible. 622 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: It is Kurg gonna take him out again. I think 623 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: he did a hell of a job game four by 624 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: by benching him. They were the Warriors were searching for 625 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: answers and Kerr bench and Draymond, you know, for that 626 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: five six minute stretch was huge, man, and then Steph 627 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: being But I just I don't know. I think I 628 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a game seven, man, you know, 629 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: I really do, And I'm hoping for it. I'm hoping 630 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: that they'll you know, like I'm with you, I think 631 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: I think they guard step the same way they did 632 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: in game five and try to make someone else beat them, 633 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: all right, and hoping we get a game seven. We 634 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: shall see, Hey, dude, thanks for doing this. We did 635 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: talk about your kids, clean his room and all other stuff, 636 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,479 Speaker 1: and we'll do it again, all right, brother, appreciate you ONMI. 637 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: Thanks met everybody. So that's my conversation with my man. 638 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: Brian Montinotty, of course, is head coach at Owassa High School. 639 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: He played a long time, play with me at ok State, 640 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: done previous stuff with him. But I just thought you'd 641 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: appreciate a little bit of you know, dad of a 642 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: prodigy and let me assume dad dad to a prodigy, 643 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: right add to a prodigy, and then of course a 644 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: little bit of coaching your kid and a lot of 645 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: NBA talk, you know, getting ready for a historic game 646 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: six like you know. For me, I mean I do, 647 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: I like, I obviously respect how the Celtics played defensively, 648 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: how tough they are, and how they took kind of 649 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: the next step this year. And no, I'm not going 650 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: to the well with Chris Middleton would have played thing 651 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: all right now, just talking about the Celtics. So it's 652 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: not out of like a lot like I like what 653 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: they've done. They've built a team that's sustainable, it's gonna 654 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: be good for a long long time. You know they'll 655 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: they'll switch out some pieces, but that's a group that 656 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: that's going to stay together and be really good for 657 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 1: a long time. But the Warriors are They're unique there, 658 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: They're a meteor. These things don't come along very often. 659 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: And how they play without the basketball, the joy with 660 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: which they play, that the talk of playing for each other, 661 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: cheering for each other to succeed, like what in the NBA, 662 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: like really like that's exactly what they do. And I 663 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: just I want to see him win in Boston. Guard. 664 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: That's really what it is. I think that's that's a 665 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: baller deal. When you win on the road, win a championship, 666 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: you take champagne their locker room. Hell yeah right, that's 667 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: Those are the best. Those are the best. Yeah, road 668 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: wins are the best. I remember you can listen to 669 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: The Doug Gotlieb Show daily three to six Eastern cul 670 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: through Pacific in your iHeart radio. You just downloaded, just 671 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: like this, the podcast Get Them Both went on you 672 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: remember the writer review. Thank you for downloading and subscribing 673 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: rating the show. I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is all balled