1
00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,640
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylie Shore and this is too much

2
00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:19,000
Speaker 1: to say asking questions it out you. Well. I hope

3
00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,200
Speaker 1: you guys all had a wonderful New Year. I had

4
00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,239
Speaker 1: a super fun time. Um. The one thing that did

5
00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,400
Speaker 1: not go well is, um, we took some group photos.

6
00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,319
Speaker 1: Had a really small get together, but we took some

7
00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,880
Speaker 1: group photos. Everybody's all dressed up, and I was told

8
00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,880
Speaker 1: that we were making awkward faces. Um, and nobody else

9
00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,680
Speaker 1: did it. And so in all of these photos from

10
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,920
Speaker 1: New Year's everybody else looks like really cute and happy

11
00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,440
Speaker 1: and I am making the most uncomfortable face. And I

12
00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,760
Speaker 1: also had just had a blue ring pop um, and

13
00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,959
Speaker 1: so I have like ring pop mouth and it's just

14
00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,440
Speaker 1: like so bad, and so nobody could use the pictures.

15
00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,279
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even like, oh, don't post a bad

16
00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,400
Speaker 1: picture of your friend, because I didn't really care. They

17
00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,600
Speaker 1: were like, this looks so bad, like no one's gonna

18
00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,760
Speaker 1: look at how cute everybody else looks because Kaylie looks

19
00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,360
Speaker 1: like such a fucking weird. So other than that wonderful

20
00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,560
Speaker 1: New Year's I had a blast. Um. We went to um,

21
00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,520
Speaker 1: this like small bar that our our friend owns, and

22
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,280
Speaker 1: they handed out Miller. Um high life like the Champagne

23
00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,200
Speaker 1: of yours. That's what I had at midnight. It was

24
00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,120
Speaker 1: really really good time. Um. But on this least podcast,

25
00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the creative process. You guys

26
00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 1: asked me about this a lot when I am am

27
00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,760
Speaker 1: asking me for podcast topics, because you guys are wondering

28
00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,080
Speaker 1: how it works. And I'm going to kind of talk

29
00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,240
Speaker 1: about the whole cycle of it, because it's not just

30
00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,759
Speaker 1: from inspiration and getting the song idea to releasing. There's

31
00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,480
Speaker 1: so much in between, and like in order to get

32
00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,160
Speaker 1: the song idea, you have to live, and so there's

33
00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,280
Speaker 1: this process that is live right record, release, toward repeat,

34
00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,320
Speaker 1: and um, I've been on it end the cycle of

35
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,400
Speaker 1: that since like two thous of fifteen. So um, So

36
00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,320
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what each of those looks

37
00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,919
Speaker 1: like where I'm at now and how like they've played

38
00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,520
Speaker 1: out for me in specific songs and albums, so you

39
00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,920
Speaker 1: guys will see like how it all works together. So

40
00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,880
Speaker 1: the living aspect is the one that I forgot about

41
00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,560
Speaker 1: most often, and I had somebody tell me it was

42
00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,760
Speaker 1: like right before I went through my six year breakup,

43
00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,280
Speaker 1: and it certainly had nothing to do with it. But

44
00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,240
Speaker 1: I remember, like after we broke up, I thought back

45
00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,360
Speaker 1: to this conversation, I felt like a little bit better.

46
00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,480
Speaker 1: But um, the guy he had worked on Taylor So

47
00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,160
Speaker 1: Fearless album, and so I got to write in a

48
00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,600
Speaker 1: studio with him and my friend Olivia Lane and there

49
00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,720
Speaker 1: was like this Taylor Sift grammy just looming over us.

50
00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,200
Speaker 1: It was amazing. But he had said, like, you know,

51
00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,560
Speaker 1: if you ever like feel stuck in your music career

52
00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,080
Speaker 1: and you don't know what to write about, like go

53
00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,440
Speaker 1: funk up your life. And we're like, are you kidding me?

54
00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,480
Speaker 1: Like this, like like you know, well respected older guy

55
00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,240
Speaker 1: who has a ship together, it's like, go funk up

56
00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,519
Speaker 1: your life. He's like, no, I'm not kidding to go

57
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,840
Speaker 1: fuck up your life? And like is that great advice?

58
00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it effective? And did it certainly

59
00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,120
Speaker 1: work for me? Absolutely? And I think you can interpret

60
00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,720
Speaker 1: that a lot of different ways. It's not like let's

61
00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,440
Speaker 1: just go like piss off every single person who loves

62
00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,960
Speaker 1: us and you know, ruin our relationships. But it's like

63
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,040
Speaker 1: let's get mix things up, Like let's go tell somebody

64
00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,960
Speaker 1: what I really really feel, whether it's I'm in love

65
00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,919
Speaker 1: with you, or I don't like that you've been treating

66
00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,320
Speaker 1: me like this for this song, like I interpreted it

67
00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,480
Speaker 1: more like that, and so once my life started to

68
00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,880
Speaker 1: get sucked up, I was like, wow, okay, well the

69
00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,360
Speaker 1: song ideas keep pouring in and I never felt so inspired.

70
00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,320
Speaker 1: And even though I was like so depressed, I had

71
00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,800
Speaker 1: so many thoughts and feelings on everything all the time,

72
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,200
Speaker 1: and it was, Um, I felt like, there's this line

73
00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,800
Speaker 1: in a Start Lifeline song that's one of my favorites

74
00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,960
Speaker 1: of all time. It's called Motorcycle drive By, and I

75
00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,720
Speaker 1: thought about getting this tattooed a lot, but um, the

76
00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,160
Speaker 1: line is, I've never felt so alone and I've never

77
00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,840
Speaker 1: felt so alive. And I felt that to my core

78
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,800
Speaker 1: during this time period. So that started in like the

79
00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,159
Speaker 1: living aspect of Open Book specifically and honestly just my life.

80
00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,839
Speaker 1: I did so much living in but I, um, I

81
00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,239
Speaker 1: didn't I released like a pop What did I release?

82
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:33,599
Speaker 1: I released the pop remix of a Wake? Yes, I

83
00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,120
Speaker 1: think so right. I don't know you guys would know better,

84
00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no. I released The way Kep

85
00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:44,600
Speaker 1: in January. I went on tour and then by late spring, um,

86
00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,599
Speaker 1: I went through the breakup, and like I wasn't releasing

87
00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,080
Speaker 1: or touring, um, and I was doing shows here and there,

88
00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,479
Speaker 1: and I did like an acoustic tour in Walmart's shout

89
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,800
Speaker 1: out to if anybody saw me there. Um that was

90
00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,800
Speaker 1: really fun. But it was like that the process of

91
00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,679
Speaker 1: was majority living wise, and I have a hard time

92
00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:07,120
Speaker 1: doing any aspect of the creative process simultaneously, um, aside

93
00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 1: from living and writing. So first up is living. Go out,

94
00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, kiss some boys and you know, text them

95
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 1: bizarre things at three in the morning when you've had

96
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,240
Speaker 1: too much to drink, and then I wonder why they want,

97
00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,560
Speaker 1: TEXTI back and repeat, re read, did a lot of that.

98
00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,160
Speaker 1: It was weird. I was single for the first time

99
00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,080
Speaker 1: at like twenty four. I literally had not been single

100
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,039
Speaker 1: since I was seventeen, and so like I was like,

101
00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,520
Speaker 1: what the fund is bumble and I then I was like,

102
00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,880
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want to do that, But well

103
00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,880
Speaker 1: I did do that. It was fun. Um. So I

104
00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,719
Speaker 1: learned a lot and I got a lot of song

105
00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,599
Speaker 1: ideas and like basically what I did during that time

106
00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,680
Speaker 1: period was I started a lot of songs and I

107
00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,120
Speaker 1: wrote a lot of stuff down and I, you know,

108
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,039
Speaker 1: got a lot of ideas, but I wasn't necessarily writing

109
00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,240
Speaker 1: every single day. It was also the first I had

110
00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,040
Speaker 1: ever taken time for myself and just like gone out

111
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,680
Speaker 1: and made friends and done things, and it was a

112
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120
Speaker 1: really like I was so heartbroken at the time, but

113
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,919
Speaker 1: looking back, was one of the most eventful and like

114
00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to say happiest, because it wasn't. It

115
00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,320
Speaker 1: was like one of the coolest tears of my life,

116
00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,520
Speaker 1: Like the amount of things I got to do. So

117
00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,680
Speaker 1: I went out to l A and I was, you know,

118
00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,719
Speaker 1: making new friends out there and having all these crazy

119
00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,600
Speaker 1: adventures like, um, it was. It was a really cool time.

120
00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,080
Speaker 1: So that was like the living aspect of open book.

121
00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,240
Speaker 1: And then you know, they're really bad to have happened.

122
00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,200
Speaker 1: And I lost my sister and obviously like that led

123
00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,360
Speaker 1: lent itself to a whole another type of inspiration, which

124
00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,680
Speaker 1: is not really inspiration. It was like I just had

125
00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,760
Speaker 1: to get it out, um. And so that that happened

126
00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,360
Speaker 1: in January and so February of twenty nineteen because I

127
00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,480
Speaker 1: was like so traumatized. Um, all I did was right

128
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,279
Speaker 1: like that, I didn't even like I had no desire

129
00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,960
Speaker 1: to do anything else. Like playing shows. It was even

130
00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of hard for me, Like I did a few

131
00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 1: and um, but I just was writing and going out

132
00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,159
Speaker 1: and making horrible decisions afterwards and repeat. And you know

133
00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,440
Speaker 1: that was like my heartbreak amnesty thing and just having

134
00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,880
Speaker 1: to do that. And so I wrote the majority of

135
00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,480
Speaker 1: Open Book in February nineteen and I've been working on

136
00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,320
Speaker 1: the album and knew I was doing an album for

137
00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,400
Speaker 1: like a year, and so it was just bizarre to

138
00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,680
Speaker 1: like have everything in the eleventh hour come together and

139
00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,520
Speaker 1: make this record. And it was a really really special time. Um.

140
00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,560
Speaker 1: So it's like you take all that inspiration you've been

141
00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,960
Speaker 1: hoarding for a year and then you just vomited out.

142
00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,480
Speaker 1: And I get on these like writing sprees where I

143
00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960
Speaker 1: just can't stop, and a lot of times I can

144
00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,040
Speaker 1: kick that off just by doing it and focusing on

145
00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,040
Speaker 1: writing and very little else. Um. And so that's like

146
00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,800
Speaker 1: it was a really great time to do that. And

147
00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,320
Speaker 1: that led to most of y'all's favorite songs on Open Book.

148
00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,880
Speaker 1: I think the only there were like two on their

149
00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,280
Speaker 1: um that I wrote not in that time period, like

150
00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,720
Speaker 1: hold on, let me go look at this, so we

151
00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:11,240
Speaker 1: have I wrote Alice in Wonderland, Roughly around that time period,

152
00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,320
Speaker 1: I wrote a scape, wrote if You Forever, Um, Gatsby,

153
00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,640
Speaker 1: too Much to Say, the World Keep Spinning, Thank God,

154
00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,200
Speaker 1: Your Man, Vices, Andry Butterfly. I wrote all of those

155
00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,080
Speaker 1: like in the two months before we recorded. And then

156
00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,240
Speaker 1: the ones that I had written earlier were Lullaby which

157
00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,920
Speaker 1: I wrote, Summer Messy which I wrote Summer, and Big Houses,

158
00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,760
Speaker 1: which is the only one UM I wrote before the breakup,

159
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,960
Speaker 1: so that would have been like early early UM. And

160
00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,560
Speaker 1: then the one I wrote wrote the day after the

161
00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,040
Speaker 1: breakup like it was a tough song to write UM,

162
00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,000
Speaker 1: but it was also like my only option that day,

163
00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,839
Speaker 1: like we had just broken up. I went into the

164
00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,040
Speaker 1: studio with my friends Savanna Chius and Skip Black, my

165
00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 1: producer UM, and just like vomited it out. But those

166
00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,840
Speaker 1: were the only ones that weren't from Like, I wrote

167
00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,240
Speaker 1: most of the album all in like such a short

168
00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,520
Speaker 1: period of time. So when I got on fire, I

169
00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,439
Speaker 1: can't slow myself down, and I'm very looking like very

170
00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,880
Speaker 1: much so looking forward to the next phase of that.

171
00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:25,439
Speaker 1: But after writing, you have to record, so the recording

172
00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,200
Speaker 1: process is a lot faster than the living and writing process. UM.

173
00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,520
Speaker 1: Some people you know record over a long period of time.

174
00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,920
Speaker 1: I would get started on some demos, like we did

175
00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,080
Speaker 1: one for the song the one Um the day we

176
00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,560
Speaker 1: wrote it and used a lot of that in the

177
00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,320
Speaker 1: final track, but most of it we did all in

178
00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,120
Speaker 1: April of and then for I got here by accident,

179
00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,800
Speaker 1: we did most of that in April of one. So

180
00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,199
Speaker 1: that's a April seems to be a good time. So

181
00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,560
Speaker 1: hopefully things will shape up this year. That's the next

182
00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,880
Speaker 1: time I'll be in the studio. But um, the recording

183
00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,000
Speaker 1: process is like my personal favorite way to do it

184
00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,840
Speaker 1: is I don't like to stay in the studio forever. Um.

185
00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,760
Speaker 1: Like Skip and I when we made an open book,

186
00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,960
Speaker 1: we just we're there for two weeks straight, I think,

187
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,320
Speaker 1: and he did a lot of work on his own

188
00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,719
Speaker 1: when I wasn't there, and and Butch and I when

189
00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,040
Speaker 1: we did it I got here by accident. It was

190
00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,079
Speaker 1: just like a week and we just go in and

191
00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400
Speaker 1: like create a routine. And I really like that aspect,

192
00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,360
Speaker 1: So like going in, I get my coffee, and um

193
00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,160
Speaker 1: we start like tracking the instrumentals and do all of that,

194
00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,480
Speaker 1: and like do scratch vocals and decide what we wanted

195
00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,040
Speaker 1: to sound like and play production of references and be like, oh,

196
00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,720
Speaker 1: I want to borrow that from this song, and like

197
00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,120
Speaker 1: bring this in here and make this feel like this,

198
00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,160
Speaker 1: and let's add a mandolin or let's add a string

199
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,520
Speaker 1: part or anything like that and get the bones of

200
00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,400
Speaker 1: the song down and then kind of build it out

201
00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,200
Speaker 1: from there. And so each day ends up being like

202
00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,880
Speaker 1: one to two songs max. And then after those songs

203
00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,679
Speaker 1: are done, that's when we did the vocals. So I

204
00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,360
Speaker 1: guess in a in total, it was about a probably

205
00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,079
Speaker 1: like a like three weeks um. And in between recording

206
00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,800
Speaker 1: the instrumentals and recording the vocals, I went to Disneyland,

207
00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,080
Speaker 1: so that was really fun, or Disney World Disney World, um,

208
00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,600
Speaker 1: which was a very very fun time. So he got

209
00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,160
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of living in between that.

210
00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I would just wake up every day,

211
00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,680
Speaker 1: go to the studio, stay there, go home, go sleep.

212
00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't going out, wasn't drinking, wasn't partying, wasn't hanging

213
00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280
Speaker 1: out with anybody. Really. I just was so singularly focused

214
00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,160
Speaker 1: on making the record and that was really really special.

215
00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,720
Speaker 1: So um, that happens all at once for sure. And

216
00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,160
Speaker 1: so after recording, you know, you have the period of

217
00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,880
Speaker 1: time where you're deciding on mixes and like sending it back.

218
00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean like I want this louder, I don't like

219
00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,200
Speaker 1: this part, or I want to retrack this, which I

220
00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,240
Speaker 1: try to avoid. Um. I don't like going back and

221
00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,000
Speaker 1: over editing things. I think you lose something special. So

222
00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,280
Speaker 1: I just try really hard to get it right the

223
00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,120
Speaker 1: first time and I'm going to sound like no, no no.

224
00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,320
Speaker 1: But UM, I get compliments from producers a lot because

225
00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,160
Speaker 1: I do my vocals really quickly and I like nail

226
00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,120
Speaker 1: it really fast. And that's not like I had to

227
00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,000
Speaker 1: work really hard in order to be able to do that,

228
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,880
Speaker 1: And truthfully, it's because I realized that I would waste

229
00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,680
Speaker 1: less of my time and less of everybody else's time

230
00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,960
Speaker 1: if while we were writing the song, I internalized the

231
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,959
Speaker 1: melody and the lyrics like as fast as I could

232
00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,160
Speaker 1: as we're creating them, because I mean, you do a

233
00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,200
Speaker 1: vocal and the song didn't exist two hours before then,

234
00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:36,160
Speaker 1: so it's kind of overwhelming. Um. But I what we'll

235
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,600
Speaker 1: just like try really hard to internalize it as I

236
00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,840
Speaker 1: go and figure out how I want to sing, so

237
00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,280
Speaker 1: on the lyric sheet that I'm writing, I'll like put

238
00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,040
Speaker 1: little dashes or um dot dot dots like ellipses and

239
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,360
Speaker 1: and all these different things too, like sort of as

240
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,760
Speaker 1: like shorthand to tell me how to sing it so

241
00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,160
Speaker 1: that when I'm tracking the vocal, I'm not like, oh,

242
00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,040
Speaker 1: I actually want to do this differently like I already

243
00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,200
Speaker 1: know and so like Butch and I when we did that,

244
00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,559
Speaker 1: and I also had a lot of time to live

245
00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,360
Speaker 1: with the songs for I got your by accident, but

246
00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,360
Speaker 1: which was like, holy sh it, you're so good, and

247
00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I just came very prepared, sir, because

248
00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste your very valuable time. And

249
00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,079
Speaker 1: he's like thank you. Um. But so that's like an

250
00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,439
Speaker 1: important part of the recording process and just like being

251
00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,680
Speaker 1: prepared when you go in there. Um. And I'm not

252
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,840
Speaker 1: a big preparing person, uh admittedly so, but that's like

253
00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,559
Speaker 1: one time where I don't actually like love being in

254
00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,920
Speaker 1: the studio, Like I get really tired by the end

255
00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,320
Speaker 1: of the day. I think it's probably because I have

256
00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,800
Speaker 1: to sit still and you know, the whole A D

257
00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,040
Speaker 1: H D thing. Um, But I like, I like it

258
00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 1: when it's efficient and it's constantly moving, but it's the

259
00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,600
Speaker 1: sitting there, like I have to bring stuff to like

260
00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,520
Speaker 1: color or like craft or do something, so like during

261
00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,640
Speaker 1: the downtime, like my brain is still moving, which is

262
00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,480
Speaker 1: definitely an a d h D thing for sure. So

263
00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,520
Speaker 1: when you're done recording, there's the releasing part of it,

264
00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,559
Speaker 1: and that that's like equal parts fun and terrifying. Like

265
00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,120
Speaker 1: it's so fast paced, so I'm able to keep up

266
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,760
Speaker 1: and like stay mentally engaged, and I have a really

267
00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,760
Speaker 1: good time doing that. But it's also like you have

268
00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,600
Speaker 1: all this lead up and you do all this press

269
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,640
Speaker 1: and like, you know, like every project except for you know,

270
00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,600
Speaker 1: the pandemic ones, like you go to New York and um,

271
00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,760
Speaker 1: I would like go play for Vivo and go to

272
00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,880
Speaker 1: CMT and um go by, like you know, you you

273
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,120
Speaker 1: push everything to streaming services and you're like working on

274
00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,600
Speaker 1: the artwork and there's this huge, huge, huge build up

275
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:38,640
Speaker 1: and then there's you release it and you're like, oh, okay,

276
00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,800
Speaker 1: so that's over, and it's like so fast and um

277
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,960
Speaker 1: I I'm actually gonna like quote John Mayer a few

278
00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,200
Speaker 1: times in this because he's made some really really astute observations,

279
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600
Speaker 1: but he talks about the releasing process and how like

280
00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,200
Speaker 1: how awful it is to work so hard on something

281
00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,680
Speaker 1: and then you just like put it in the universe

282
00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,840
Speaker 1: and it's just done. And I know it's not done,

283
00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,880
Speaker 1: but it certainly feels like it is because you just

284
00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,080
Speaker 1: had something to funnel all your energy into and then

285
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,800
Speaker 1: you just have to like sit back and wait and

286
00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,840
Speaker 1: like you can work hard with promoting it and stuff,

287
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,680
Speaker 1: but you're still sitting back and waiting to see if

288
00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,760
Speaker 1: people are gonna like it. And that is a very

289
00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:33,840
Speaker 1: very bizarre feeling. So a lot of this like I

290
00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,200
Speaker 1: only have so much creative energy, and um, I can

291
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,360
Speaker 1: do things to sort of replenish that that well. UM

292
00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,560
Speaker 1: and you know, like journaling and writing down song ideas

293
00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,880
Speaker 1: and the whole living aspect of it, and um, watching

294
00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,760
Speaker 1: movies and reading books that inspire me. And I do

295
00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,280
Speaker 1: this thing where when I'm reading a book, UM, I

296
00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,640
Speaker 1: read a lot of books that have like a very

297
00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,160
Speaker 1: lyrical prose to them, and UM, I'll like, Doggy You're

298
00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,040
Speaker 1: the bottom of the pages if there's like a passage

299
00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,120
Speaker 1: in there that I find particularly inspiring, and that's really

300
00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,080
Speaker 1: really cool to um to like go back and look

301
00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,080
Speaker 1: at what stuck and what really like impacted me from

302
00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,040
Speaker 1: that book, and like get song ideas from there, so

303
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,240
Speaker 1: like there's things you can do to work that muscle,

304
00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,360
Speaker 1: but all creative energy is kind of the same, Like

305
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,800
Speaker 1: it's still the same part of my brain. So coming

306
00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,640
Speaker 1: up with a podcast idea and coming up with a

307
00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,920
Speaker 1: song idea are they utilize the same section of my brain.

308
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,800
Speaker 1: And so when I do too much at the same time,

309
00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm like so tired from creating this one thing that

310
00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't have the energy to write a song. And

311
00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,040
Speaker 1: it sounds kind of snow flaky, like I know that,

312
00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,040
Speaker 1: like like you mean a song today, But it's like

313
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,440
Speaker 1: it's so hard sometimes, like you're just sitting there and

314
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,600
Speaker 1: you're like pulling your feelings out of your brain and

315
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,760
Speaker 1: your heart and you're just like yanking them like a

316
00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,720
Speaker 1: clown like taking rs out of his sleeve, and you

317
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,160
Speaker 1: just can't. Like eventually you're like, I don't have any

318
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,679
Speaker 1: more scarves. I've given you all of my scarves, and

319
00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,760
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it feels like. Um. But John Mayer

320
00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:17,080
Speaker 1: talked about how he kind of struggled because Twitter used

321
00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,240
Speaker 1: the same um kind of energy that he his songs did,

322
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,080
Speaker 1: and I thought that was so fascinating, and he was

323
00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,560
Speaker 1: totally right, um, But he said that uh. And it

324
00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,080
Speaker 1: was in a interview where he talked about he had

325
00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,280
Speaker 1: done it at m Berkley College of Music, where he

326
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,560
Speaker 1: had gone to school. But he said that, um. He said,

327
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,240
Speaker 1: I realized about a year ago that I couldn't have

328
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,359
Speaker 1: a complete thought anymore. And I was a tweet a holic.

329
00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,639
Speaker 1: I had formerly on Twitter followers and I was always

330
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,679
Speaker 1: writing on it, and I stopped using Twitter's and outlet,

331
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,320
Speaker 1: and I started using Twitter as the instrument to riff

332
00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,919
Speaker 1: on and it started to make my mind smaller and

333
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,840
Speaker 1: smaller and smaller, and I couldn't write a song. And

334
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,600
Speaker 1: that's so true, Like that's what it feels like, and

335
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,320
Speaker 1: so like I always like joked that like if I'm tweeting,

336
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm probably not writing because I have to

337
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,320
Speaker 1: get it out. So to the same like end of

338
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:09,160
Speaker 1: the spectrum where if I have too much, like if

339
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 1: I have too much required of me in the creative aspect,

340
00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 1: that I'm going to run out of ideas. If I

341
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,919
Speaker 1: have too little required of me, I'm gonna have so

342
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,280
Speaker 1: many ideas that I need to like do something. And

343
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,680
Speaker 1: so I truly can't take that much time off from

344
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,320
Speaker 1: writing and if I do, like just to you know,

345
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,040
Speaker 1: for my health, my mental health. Um, And I'm doing

346
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,199
Speaker 1: the living aspect, Like I find other things to get into.

347
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,479
Speaker 1: So when I was in I was doing a lot

348
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,560
Speaker 1: of drawing and a lot of yoga and a lot

349
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,119
Speaker 1: of things that, um, we're kind of abstract and fun

350
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 1: and creative and um lots of like I got really

351
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:52,840
Speaker 1: into um like reading more for sure, Like reading is

352
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,359
Speaker 1: probably the number one thing I do when I'm not

353
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 1: writing a song. And but sometimes like if I haven't

354
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,639
Speaker 1: written a song in too long, I'm like, I need

355
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,040
Speaker 1: to write book. I always come back to that, Like

356
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm always like I need to write a book, and

357
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,639
Speaker 1: um or like I'll write an unprompted essay on a

358
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,880
Speaker 1: topic and I'm like, I'm not in college and even

359
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: go to college, no one has asked me to write

360
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 1: an essay on gender studies. But here I am taking

361
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,439
Speaker 1: it upon myself to do it, and I'm like, I

362
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 1: need to write a song. So right now where I'm

363
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,680
Speaker 1: at in the creative process is, um. I did the

364
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 1: living aspect. I lived a lot. As I told you

365
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 1: guys about on last week's episode. There was a lot

366
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 1: going on emotionally and I'm still kind of trying to

367
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 1: figure out how to write about friendships and those kind

368
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 1: of dissolving the same way that I would write about

369
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 1: a relationship, because it hurts just as much. So I'm like,

370
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 1: why is it harder for me to write about? And

371
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's just easier to write about

372
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 1: a breakup because I've always done it and everyone's always

373
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 1: done it, and like articulating the loss of a fifteen

374
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 1: year friendship is a lot harder. Um, Like I lost

375
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 1: my best best friend of all time, um during my breakup,

376
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 1: and UM, I've never been able to write a song

377
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 1: about it. And truthfully, I think that part of me mourning, um,

378
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: that relationship was mourning the relationships I lost with it.

379
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 1: And I lost my national best friend and my childhood

380
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 1: best friend and then that happened again, and um, both

381
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: were like sort of to each other, so like these

382
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 1: people all hang out without me, and it's just a

383
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: very weird feeling. And so I'm like, I have not

384
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 1: been able to articulate that into a song. But I've

385
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 1: never hurt like I have in these two situations. Like

386
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, seeing your childhood best friend and

387
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: your adult best friend be best friends without you is

388
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: a very weird feeling. Um. And this happened twice, which

389
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: is like, um, and I had this like thought. I

390
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 1: wrote this song that I remember really really like wrote

391
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: it was Sam and my friend Hannah Avison, and it's

392
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: called Toxic Friend. And it's like, what if I'm the

393
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: toxic friend? Because but then I told my therapist was like, well, Gayley, Um,

394
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: toxic people don't usually sit around and have panic attacks

395
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: about how they're the toxic person. I'm like, okay, And obviously,

396
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: like I think toxic is such a dismissive term because

397
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: we've all been toxic, and like just reducing somebody to

398
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: their worst moments like that is not really the best

399
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: thing to do. And it's very victimy, you know, to

400
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh they're toxic, they're toxic, and sometimes they

401
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: just fucking are. Um. But I don't want to like say,

402
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: every single person in my life who I don't talk

403
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: to anymore it's toxic. It's just maybe we weren't compatible anymore,

404
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: didn't know how to love each other in the appropriate

405
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: way anymore. Um. But that being said, like I also

406
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: had this epiphany and therapy where I was like, well,

407
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: if I was the toxic friend, I've never once in

408
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: my entire life had somebody cut me off because they

409
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: felt like I was mentally draining them or not being

410
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: a good friend to them. Like I've got in fights

411
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: with people, for sure, but nobody's ever cut me off,

412
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: and I've always been the person who's been like, I

413
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: need to walk away from this because this hurts, and

414
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm holding onto an electric fence. And so I was like, Okay,

415
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: I can't really be that bad if no one else

416
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 1: has ever taken the step back, and it's always just

417
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: been me doing that. So anyways, man, I was I'm

418
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: telling myself, but now I'm just kidding it. Talked to

419
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: my therapists about it, and I try to like get

420
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: her to be really really honest with me, um, because

421
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, I'm not here for you to

422
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: tell me I'm right. If I wanted to be told

423
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: I was right, I would talk to a friend who

424
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: I know will enable me. And we all need those

425
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: friends sometimes. But I'm here to be better and not

426
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: to like here that I'm perfect and do everything right.

427
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: Like that's not the point of therapy. That's a big

428
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: waste of money. So I was a little bit of

429
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: a tangent, but that's how I really feel, and like,

430
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, those situations that have affected me so deeply,

431
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: I can't figure out a way to write about. So

432
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll be able to do that. But the next

433
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: thing for me is, um, I'm going to l A

434
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: in two weeks and are like ten days and I'm

435
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: we would be there for a full month and I'm

436
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: really going to miss my cats. I'm really upset about that.

437
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: But um, I'm gonna be writing like every single day.

438
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: And the great part of being in l A is

439
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: there's really nothing to distract myself with, Like I can

440
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: go out and hang out with my friends and have

441
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: a good time and go explore and all that, but

442
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: there's not really anything, um like mundane to distract myself with,

443
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: Like I can't go organize my closet because I'm avoiding

444
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: doing something else that's more important. And there there, you know,

445
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: like none of that exists there, and it's sort of

446
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: just like a simple existence where I'm just like I

447
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: have a bedroom and I cook food, and I write

448
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: songs and I go explore and that's it. And it's

449
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: very it's a very kind of like sacred part of

450
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: the process for me, and as I'm exploring new genres

451
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: and all that, like going out to l A to

452
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: not just right for other people's projects, but to write

453
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: for my own is going to be really really cool.

454
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I have some really exciting rights that I'm fucking pumped

455
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: about and I can't wait to tell you guys about

456
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: and hopefully I get something very good. But I think

457
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: this is going to be a really good period of

458
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: time where I remember who I am, um, because I

459
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: haven't written in so long, and like I've kind of

460
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: lost sight of that a little bit because that's what

461
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: I feel like my purposes. So when I'm not doing it,

462
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I here? And that's not going

463
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: to get me anywhere. So I'm excited to be able

464
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: to just go throw myself into it right, live, all

465
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: of that. But that's my creative process. It's a little

466
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: bit all over the place, but I find like organizing

467
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: it into those five categories live right, record, release, yeah,

468
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: and tour like those are that's the best way to

469
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: kind of approach it and to recognize when I'm in

470
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: one part of the creative process and kind of just

471
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: try to Tunnel Vision and like live in that one

472
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: and not try to do too much else, and I'm

473
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: very blessed to get to do that. I'm very blessed

474
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: to get paid to be a songwriter. UM, that's pretty nuts.

475
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you don't make that much money, but

476
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: I pay my rent by writing songs and that's definitely

477
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: something to be thankful for. So thank you, guys, because

478
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: without you, I wouldn't be able to do that. Thank

479
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: you for giving me a job. Thank you, um bye

480
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: bones for giving me this podcast because that's really nice too.

481
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: And I am really excited to see what comes with

482
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: this trip. So the rest of my podcast for January

483
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: and part of February going to be UM live from

484
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, so we'll not live okay. Anyways, I'm just

485
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: going off now. Thank you guys so much for listening.

486
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: My name is Kayla Short. This is too much to say.

487
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: I'll see you next week asking questions. Turn it out

488
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: you