1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: One of the things I loved most about New York 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: is how people use the space. I once peeked into 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: this tiny art studio on Avenue A that had been 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: turned into a drive in theater. Someone just pulled a 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: car into it, and for a price, you could sit 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: inside that car and watch a movie on the wall. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. But that's not the only example. My 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: favorite museum of the city is in this tiny freight 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: elevator shaft. I've been to book signings and drinks in cemeteries, 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: inside mausoleums. I've seen an apartment with a drawbridge in it, 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: honest to God, like a drawbridge that the tenant built 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: so he could lower it and crawl from this tiny 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: platform on one side to his loft on the other side. 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: But what I'm really trying to say is that despite 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: the lack of space in the city, people come up 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: with insanely ingenious ideas. So I've been curious, how do 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: people really garden in the city, because this is not 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: the suburbs. When you've only got a balcony, or, let's 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: be honest, a fire escape that you call a balcony, 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: how are you supposed to build the garden of your dreams. 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: I think you have a pretty good sense of my 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: gardening ambitions by now. I am not trying to live 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: off the fat of the land, but I would like 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: to use the space I have to I don't know, 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: create some life and and then put that life into 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: a salad. And I want to use this hobby to 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: connect with the earth, because while the rest of the 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: world is looking up, dazzled by our cities skyscrapers, there's 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: this whole beautiful ecosystem here growing at our feet. Hey there, 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm monga fatigular co host of Part Time Genius, one 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: of the co founders of Mental Flaws, and this is 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: Humans Growing Stuff, a collaboration from my Heart Radio and 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: your friends at Miracle Grow. My goal is to make 34 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: this the most human show about plants you'll ever listen to, 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: and along the way, we'll share inspiring stories, tips and 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: tricks to nurture your plant addiction, and just enough science 37 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: to make you sound like an expert. This episode is 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: for the city dwellers, all of you out there with 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: very little time on your hands and even less space 40 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: in your homes. All you need is a little dedications, 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: some creativity, and less square footage than you think. Today's 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: episode is Me and the City Garden, Chapter three, Bright Lights, 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Big Snake Plant. In the last few weeks, we've acquired 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: a lot of new roommates, and it's great. For the 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: most part. I have all these new plant friends to 46 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: keep me company in the living room, joining me when 47 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: I edit or read or watch TV, and seeing all 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: that green it genuinely makes me happy. But I'm also 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: noticing it's getting a little cramped in here, and I 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: am constantly shuffling my plants around. So it's turned me 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: into this weird plant real estate agent. Like every day 52 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm showing different areas to the plants and taking them 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: on walkthroughs and trying to sell them on a particular 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: window because it will be such a good fit for 55 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: them and their kids. Because yes, I am talking to 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: my plants now and trying to find them the perfect 57 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: home within my home. But as I run out of 58 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: obvious locations in this apartment, I'm trying to figure out 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: what else is possible. How can I maximize my space 60 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: and feed this new plant addiction. So I called up 61 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: our friend Anna from the Instagram account and YouTube channel 62 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: plant Anna Plant, and it's got over a hundred plants 63 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: crammed into her beautiful apartment in Toronto, and I'm hoping 64 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: she can help us pull back this big green curtain 65 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: of possibilities. Hyanna. First things first, tell me how did 66 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: you fall in love with plants? Growing up? I always 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: had a backyard, and my parents always took amazing care 68 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: of all of our gardens and all of the plants 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: and everything. And then I had an opportunity to do 70 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: part of my PhD in Australia, so I moved to 71 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Sydney for a little while, and living there, they don't 72 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: have winters like we have in Canada, so that meant 73 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: that I was around plants all the time. And once 74 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: I finished I moved back to Canada, I realized that 75 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: life seemed a little bit different when I was no 76 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: longer surrounded constantly by plants. And I bought four little 77 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: succulents in May of and that for little succulent planter 78 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden turned into twenty and then thirty 79 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: and then forty, and then next thing you know, we 80 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: had over a hundred plants. I just I felt so 81 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: much better. It was one of those things where being 82 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: surrounded by greenery and bringing all the plants inside was 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: just an amazing thing. I end up that's have been 84 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: this like major distraction from the pandemic for for a 85 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: lot of people. But I'm curious for you, what are 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: the joys of sort of being in an indoor jungle? 87 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: It just it makes me happier. And with doing a 88 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: PhD two, a lot of the work is done alone, 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: particularly like with data analysis and writing and everything. And 90 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: I always felt so much better sitting among all of 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: my plants in the one particular area where we have 92 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: a lot of them, and it just I found it 93 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: calmed me. It made me feel more grounded. And also 94 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: it would give me a little break if I wanted 95 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: to care for my plants at all. Um So, yeah, 96 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: so just being around them definitely made me a lot happier. 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Let's get into growing in a small apartment. What do 98 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: you think is the the easiest way to start growing? 99 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: We actually have to think where is my plant going, 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: what are the conditions there, and what plants will thrive 101 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: or at least do decently well in those type of conditions. 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: People will at succulents and they'll say that they kill 103 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: all the succulents all the time. But then when you 104 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: find out where they are, they have them in a 105 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: hallway that has no natural light, or they're in the 106 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: middle of their dining room table that has very very 107 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: little light. You really need to think about like the 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: actual conditions of the spot where you want to put 109 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: a plant, and then kind of work backward from that. 110 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I like to think about it that way. Um, for 111 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: for let's say a bathroom where there's a lot of 112 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: humidity but maybe less direct sunlight, do you have some 113 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: suggestions for for your favorite things to put in there? 114 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: If if you have humidity, then you would want some 115 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: type of tropical plant. Sometimes people think that cacti and 116 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: succulents will want humidity, but they don't because they're they 117 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: actually originate in the desert where there's very little or 118 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: no humidity at all. So for places where there is humidity, 119 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: thinking not only just the bathroom, but also a kitchen too, 120 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: because our kitchens actually have a lot of humidity in them. 121 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: So something like a pathos is a really good plant 122 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: to put in there because they can they can handle 123 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: the humidity, they can handle lower light, and they don't 124 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: need as much care like the not considered a high 125 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: maintenance plant. So Apothos is one of those plants that 126 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: tends to be underwhelming to some people. People don't necessarily 127 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: love them, but they are a really great plant because 128 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: they grow fast. You can trail them along the wall 129 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: with particular hooks that you can get, they can hang down, 130 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: they can go in the shower with you. Talk to 131 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: me about these moss balls or Marimo moss balls. They're 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: so cute. Yeah, and oh gosh, Okay, so that is 133 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: a story and a half, which So I was in 134 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Calgary for work and I saw them, So the Marmo 135 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: moss balls, which are actually not moss, they're actually lge 136 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: and I saw them at a really cute plant store 137 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: and I decided I was going to buy them. But 138 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: they need to be in water, and they specifically need 139 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: to be in tap water because they feed off of 140 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: whatever is in tap water. So, as we all know, 141 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: we're not allowed to fly with liquids. Right. So I'm 142 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: in the Calgary airport with my partner and I had 143 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: them in a little bag. I had them in water, 144 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: and right before going through security, I had to dump 145 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: all the water out and they're in this classic bag. 146 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: I was bringing home more plants than just that, so 147 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: my carry on was full of suck. I've got a 148 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: box in my lap and I've got these. The security 149 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: person when they're running everything through that little X ray 150 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: machine is, excuse me, there's something in there that I 151 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: need to take a look at. So she opens my bag, 152 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: she pulls them out. She said, what the heck are these? 153 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: So I explained to her she did not care about 154 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: plants at all, which is completely But then once we 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: got through security, we then had to refill the the 156 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: bag with water and then I just sit with my 157 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: marmal moss balls in a bag of water with the 158 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: succulents on my lap from Calgary to Toronto. When you 159 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: go to new cities and new regions, are are are 160 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: you looking for plants to add to your collections? Chances are, 161 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: if I've been traveling within Canada, there is a plant 162 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: or five in there. How are you making time to 163 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: water all these plants appropriately? And and and fit in 164 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: the the plant care into your life? And and also 165 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: do you speak to your plants? It's not that plants 166 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: react to your voice. What the research actually shows is 167 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: that people who talk to their plants tend to be 168 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: more involved in their care. So it's not actually the 169 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: talking that impacts the plants. It's the fact that because 170 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: you're talking to your plants, it shows that you're interacting 171 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: with the more. So you're going to notice things such 172 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: as if they have test more, or if there's dead leaves, 173 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: or if they need to repot it or water. It's 174 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: a really really interesting phenomenon. What do you think some 175 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: of the biggest misconceptions are about trying to grow things 176 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: in a small apartment. Yeah, there's a misconception that people say, oh, 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: I have a small space, I'm not going to bother 178 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: because I don't want to crowd for people who are 179 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: obsessed with plants, there's actually no such thing as not 180 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: enough space for plants with really small spaces to Another 181 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: thing that people tend to not think about is working vertically. 182 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: Building vertically is an amazing way to add a whole 183 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: bunch of plants. We also have plants hanging from the ceiling, 184 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: so that's another way to where you have a really 185 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: small space and you can add extra foliage there, or 186 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: you get plots that are supposed to go against the wall, 187 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: or you can get strip lights so you can get 188 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: indoor growing lights and you can put that under your shelf, 189 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: and then you can put your plants there as well too. 190 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: So just because you may be thinking that you're restricted 191 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: based on the fact that you don't have light or 192 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: something like that, you can definitely get good quality grow 193 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: lights and that can really expand your ability to put 194 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: things in different places. But I think trying diving in 195 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: doing it, I think, I think, to me, that's incredibly important. 196 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: And if I buy an extra one, my partner generally 197 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: doesn't notice or except if it's just because we have 198 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: so many points. But I, yeah, I don't know, it's 199 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: it's hard to explain it. I know, No, I I 200 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: completely agree with what where is? I mean, I've only 201 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: started gardening recently, and just walking into the living room 202 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: and seeing these plants makes me happy. But then also 203 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: the little routine and a little care of of watering 204 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: them is really meditative. It is. It is and also 205 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: things too. And I know your daughter likes the basil 206 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: plants or basis as she calls them, which is so good. 207 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: How awesome is it to make pizza or passa sauce, 208 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: or you're making a sturfire or something, and then you 209 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: put the basil that you've been growing yourself. It's something 210 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: that's so small, but it's it's awesome and it's something 211 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: that you're doing. Yeah, and a plant and a plant 212 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: is the Instagram account. Thank you for taking time away 213 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: from your your kiddo and family. I really appreciate it. Yeah, 214 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. This is being 215 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: great to talk about. And now here's Mangoes inner monologue. Today, 216 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 1: I saw a rat carrying a slice of pizza. He 217 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: dragged it over to a patch of dirt in the 218 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: park and he began digging, And I thought, if he 219 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: can do it, so can i. Humans growing stuff will 220 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: be right back after a short break after talking with Anna, 221 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Like right after talking with Anna, I told Lizzie we 222 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: should get a pathos. Pathos have come up a few 223 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: times on the show now, but I couldn't quite figure 224 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: out how they'd fit into our apartment. Then suddenly I 225 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: spotted this little space above our upright piano and it 226 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: felt right for colonizing. I don't know how excited she 227 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: is for my new plant hobby, but she's been pretty supportive. 228 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: But even with all these new tips of trying to 229 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: think about our space more vertically and using more shelving 230 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: to store these plants. I'm starting to realize this kingdom 231 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: is feeling a little small for my ambitions. We're running 232 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: out of floor space. We have more mother in law 233 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: tongues than actual mother in laws. And even though I 234 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: want to live that hashtag plant life, I think there's 235 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: a cap on what we can actually grow in this apartment. 236 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: So I reached out to two big shots from the 237 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: New York Botanical Garden, Ursula Chance and Kadisha Williams, to 238 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: learn more. Ursula is the director of Bronx green Up 239 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: and Kadisha is green Ups community horticulturist and urban agriculturist. 240 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: So before we get too deep into this, I want 241 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: to know a little bit about the green Up project. Sure. 242 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: So Bronx green Up was started in and it was 243 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: started really by people who were in the Bronx staying 244 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: to Bronx, people like Kadisha's grandfather, who were saw these 245 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: spaces that they wanted to do something positive, to make 246 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: beautiful grow food for the community. And so those kind 247 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: of organic efforts were starting and people turned to the 248 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Botanical Garden to help with these efforts. In the Botanical 249 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: Garden created the Bronx Greenup Program to to really do 250 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: that one thing that is really exciting. I think for me, 251 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: there's this almost organic conversation between cultures. So people come 252 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: into the garden and even back you know, at the 253 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: beginning of this, when a lot of these lots didn't 254 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: have anything in them, people were coming together the growth stuff. 255 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: Even though there may be language barriers, even though they 256 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: come from completely different cultures, they'd be excited about the 257 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: same plant. While we all come from different places, we 258 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: have different faces, we still need to eat. And that 259 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: was a really good way that we tire our cultures 260 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: together in the ways that we build community. Yeah, that's incredible. 261 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I I was thinking about that too, just how we 262 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: are so often like siloed in our own apartments and 263 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: our own like work and whatever. But but that the 264 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: garden really gives the space to almost forces interaction between 265 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: not just communities, but also generations. I means something that 266 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: just popped into my head. Happened a while ago when 267 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: we were helping with the New Roots Community Farm, and 268 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I remember one time we were there and there was 269 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: like a bottle that was just laying in front of 270 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: the gate, and so I was like, oh, let me 271 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: just pick this up. I saw there was a piece 272 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: of paper inside, and I was like, oh, that's interesting. 273 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: So I just I don't know why I actually pulled 274 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: out the piece of paper, which you know, you don't 275 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: usually go around examining garbage, but I was like, let 276 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: me just do that. And then there was a note 277 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: into it and it was like, Oh, are you started 278 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: a community garden. I want to be involved. I love 279 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: that A literal message in the bottle, just waiting for you. 280 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: And it was like I was such a moment like oh, like, 281 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: I just feel like these spaces are so precious and 282 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: important and people are really craving that place to come 283 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: together and get their hands in the dirt and grow 284 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: and connect with nature. And I think just seeing that 285 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: like that just speaks to it, like that people are 286 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: really craving that opportunity. What role do community gardens play 287 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: in the fabric of a city? For for the two 288 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: of you, so much. Community gardens are are safe havens. 289 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: There's spaces for community organizing, save spaces for young people, 290 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: spaces where you can perform, and spaces where you can learn, 291 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: like spaces for education, also just a space to sit down. 292 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: Like it's all of those things combine it's a hub. Yeah, 293 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, just more to echo what Cadisia said, I 294 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: mean I do. I do think community gardens are kind 295 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: of the heart of a neighborhood and community and all 296 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: that they can offer and provide. And I see that 297 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: so often and just there's so much and just taking 298 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: a space on a hot day to sit in the 299 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: shade and cool down. There's just so many things and 300 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: resources that community gardens can offer. There should be more 301 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: community gardens all over the world. We have to root ourselves, 302 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: put our feet in the dirt. I love that, you 303 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: know what. One of the articles I read in The 304 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Times that that really made me smile was that, uh, 305 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: there's this gentleman who grew so much in his plot 306 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: that he was sending extra produced to his family in 307 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, and and it just made me curious, like, 308 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: how much food are people actually growing in these little plots. 309 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: It depends on a variety of things. It depends on 310 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: the season. Sometimes you could do everything right and you 311 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: don't produce a lot. Sometimes it's totally by accident. You know, 312 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: not everyone tracks their produced the same, but it's definitely 313 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: hundreds of pounds something like at the start of this 314 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: pandemic in New York City. Community gardens I think are 315 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: so oftentime leaders in their community. What they're like, what 316 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: can we do? We can grow food, We grow That's 317 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: what what's we do. And so they could produce a 318 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: lot of food that can contribute to food pantries, to 319 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: soup kitchens, to night just senior housing. I love that. 320 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: So you both do such a good job with education. 321 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: But but I'm curious, how do you welcome people in 322 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: who might be a little intimidated. Oh I love to 323 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: tell people that you're going to kill a lot of 324 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: stuff and that's okay. Yeah, I love that too. I mean, 325 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like, you know, the more I 326 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: do this more, there's always something to learn. There's always 327 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: something new to discover and observe. And so just reminding 328 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: people just start small. Is there any community garden etiquette 329 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: that we should all know about. Every garden is completely different. 330 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: There are, of course similarities, communities that look the same, 331 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: that eat the same, But the garden community, the garden etiquette, 332 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: as you say, is completely different. It depends on the garden. 333 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: One thing I would say is asked, asked before you 334 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: take something. Most people are really most gardeners are like, oh, 335 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: of course, sure, Oh you want to try this. Sure. 336 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean you can imagine like spending a whole season 337 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: growing something and then watching someone pick your cucumbers with tomatoes. Yeah, 338 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: I guess that that's sort of politeness. Hope it's not. 339 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Though it's not. I think it's less about politeness and 340 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: more just excitement. Even I do it. Sometimes I go 341 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: in and I reached them like, oh wait, that's not 342 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: my fairy tomatoes. Let me ask, let me just get 343 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: positioning real quick. I'm like enamored by it. I'm like, wow, 344 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: this is so beautiful. Look at all this stuff growing, 345 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: and oh my god, they'd be so successful, and I 346 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: can't I need to ask for pission before I put 347 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: my hands on people's stuff. I was stunned that they 348 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: are all these like bees and chickens and the photos 349 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: and it's not just flowers and plants at these gardens, right, 350 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: of course not again, like as culturist mix and we tried. 351 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: You know, as we go further and further and push 352 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: the envelope with urban farming, we want to bring more 353 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: and more aspects of rural farming to the city. I 354 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: think chickens are so fun. My community garden is I 355 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: don't want to say it free for all. It for 356 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: a long time, people have definitely been chucking animals over 357 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: the gate. I think. I think in their minds they're like, 358 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: this is a beautiful green space and they take care 359 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: of chickens and bees, so like they will save this duck. 360 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: And children love it, like they see chickens and they're 361 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: just like wow, like I can't believe they're chickens here? 362 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Can we touched them? And that's that's been really cool 363 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: to to show them how to take care of the chickens, 364 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: how to feed them. It's been good for us to 365 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: we can use the chicken manure to help for lize 366 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: our beds. It's been interesting to learn how to incorporate 367 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: that stuff into the operation. Very cool for for an 368 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: outsider like me. What what is the first step to 369 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: getting involved in a community garden? Do you have to apply? 370 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: Do you have to do you have to know someone? Like? 371 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: What what is the process? It's different for every garden. 372 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: It's different for the communities. Of course, community gardens are 373 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: open to the public, so if the gate is open, 374 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: you're welcome to come in and enjoy that space. It's 375 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: a community space, so it belongs to the community. If 376 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: you want to be a garden member, there is usually 377 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: an application process. Um, if it's you right, and you're new, 378 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: and you're walking down the street and you see a 379 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: garden and it's open, I would walk in and talk 380 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: to someone and see what their their way is for 381 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: becoming a guarden member or getting involved. If all those fails, 382 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: if you're in the Bronx, you can call Bronx been 383 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: up with the new Botanical Garden, and we try to 384 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: connect you to the right persons. And then if it's 385 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: outside of the Bronx, you could always talk to Green 386 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: Thumb of the New York City Parks Department. And So, 387 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: what is the biggest reason you tell city dwellers to 388 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: like get into gardening and get into these community spaces 389 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: because it's awesome. There's not one reason. Everyone has their 390 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: own reason for getting involved, which I think that that 391 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: makes the experience so much more beautiful. Well, I think 392 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: just showing that the different community gardens and farms, if 393 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: there's one near you, there's there's different ways you can 394 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: get involved, either become a member or help ountain volunteer. 395 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: And I think also just seeing these commit gardens and 396 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: are farms just as part of our larger New York 397 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: City green space with our parks as well. I've been 398 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: on the busiest streets in New York City and I'll 399 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: look up, you know, in late September, and all of 400 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, they'll be a monarch that will be flying by, 401 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, doing its southern migration. And so once you 402 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: kind of open your eyes to it, you'll see more 403 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: and more that it's around us in the city. In 404 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: terms of people who are interested in learning about it. 405 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: We're doing it, but don't know where to start. We 406 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: always recommend taking a class, and we get a lot 407 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: of people in our class who've never done it before 408 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: who always say, like, I have no space, I'm not 409 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: in a garden, and they end up by the end 410 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: of the class growing tomatoes out of their window. So 411 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: there's always a way, you know. That's why we see 412 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: trees growing out of the side of walls and in 413 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: train stations, because they that's the nature of a seat, 414 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: that's what it's it's supposed to do, is grow, not 415 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: to be corny, but like a seed. We encouraged them 416 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: to grow. I don't think that's corny at all. I 417 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, that's so true. Like I think people 418 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: are just always finding different green space, like out of 419 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: their window, by their building there's some area that they'll 420 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: start fencing off or in their tree bed that it's 421 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: great to think about different ways that you can start 422 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: start growing and getting your hands in the dirt. Thank 423 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: you both so much for being here, Thank you for 424 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: having us. This is awesome a pleasure. And now for 425 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: another trip to poetry Corner and oh to community gardening etiquette. 426 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: Come one, come all, come spring, come fall. There's community 427 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: in these leaves. Dig into some dirt and pull up 428 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: your sleeves. But whatever you do, asked before you eat 429 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: my peas, please thank you. I got so excited talking 430 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: to Ursula and Kadijja that I started looking up the 431 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: history of community gardens. I had no idea that in 432 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: the US the first community gardens sprott up in Detroit 433 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: in the eight nineties. Apparently the city gave land a 434 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: local residents along with seeds to combat local hunger and 435 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: and the project actually thrived. But even before that, in 436 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: the seventeen thirties, there were these craftsmen and workers in 437 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: England who started using community gardens in Sheffield because and 438 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: I promised this is what the article said. There was 439 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: a new fad of eating vegetables that trickled down from 440 00:24:53,200 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: quote Cosmopolitan London, and I just love that. For me, 441 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: I think what I'm craving most about this is community. 442 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: In the last two years, our family has moved from 443 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Brooklyn to Atlanta to back to Brooklyn, and it was 444 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: so much harder on my kids than I had expected. 445 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: Just when they found friends and figured out this new 446 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: system of schooling, we ripped them away. And so I 447 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: think about community a lot, how we could be giving 448 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: them a community and doing something fun but also good, 449 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: like growing food for pantries and soup kitchens. When I 450 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: heard Kadija tell me about our garden, the tak about 451 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: community garden that her grandfather and her father built from 452 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: this rough area in the Bronx and turned into this thriving, 453 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: beautiful space where apparently rabbits and ducks can live, it 454 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: made me long to be part of something like that. 455 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: I want that New York City, a place where people 456 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: speak different languages and come from different cultures and joyously 457 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: tend to their plots and chit chat together. Different generations 458 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: interacting and telling stories, and just building a place where 459 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: strangers can walk in and kick up their feet and 460 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: eat a sandwich in this little oasis, you know, just 461 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: find a place to breathe. It's a strange little journey 462 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: that I've taken these last three weeks. Somehow I've moved 463 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: from just wanting to have less funerals for our basil 464 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: plants so well wanting to be a part of something bigger. 465 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: So this week, instead of just standing on the ledge, 466 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: I decided to cannon ball into the deep end. I 467 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: researched a few places close to me, looked at classes, 468 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: made a few phone calls, and today I'm going to 469 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: take my family on a little field trip. The sweetest 470 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: thing I read in that article about those community gardens 471 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: from the seventeen hundreds was that this economist looked at 472 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: the figures and determined that Sheffield gardeners were healthy and 473 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: more hardy than the people who lived in places without 474 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: gardens at that time. And yes, maybe it was because 475 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: of all the extra vegetables in their diet, and maybe 476 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: it was because of the exercise being in the field 477 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: and all that, But as the author points out, maybe 478 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: it was just the joy of gardening itself, a pleasure 479 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: that was as profound in the seventeen hundreds as it 480 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: is today, and I'm guessing being part of a little 481 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: community that must have helped too. That's it for today's episode. 482 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: Don't forget whether you're a beginner like me, a pro 483 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: trying something new, or someone in between enjoying your community garden, 484 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: there are incredible resources waiting for you on the Miracle 485 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Grow website. Next time on our show, we'll dig into 486 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: gardening with your family. If you like what you heard, 487 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: don't forget to rate and review the show on Apple Podcast. 488 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: It really helps us out, and we want to hear 489 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: from you. What are your in firing plant stories and 490 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: relatable struggles and growing questions. 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