1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I am solo today because I have an incredible guest 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to talk about her life, her story. If you just 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: read what has happened to her and what she's gone through, 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: you would say this is a crazy, tragic story. Yet 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: when you listen to Maria Manunos, when you hear her voice, 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: you realize it is anything but tragic, and that is 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: all about her perspective. And Maria Manunos, if you don't know, 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. Journalists, television presenter, actress, hosted Extra 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: and E News and has been a TV correspondent on 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: Today's Show and you name it. Marie and I. I 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: was trying to think if we've worked together. I think 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: we have it at points throughout the twenty plus years 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: we've both been in Hollywood together. I know we have 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: worked alongside each other on red carpets and at events 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: and obviously hosting The Bachelor and stuff for some twenty years. 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Are pathsive crossed. She is a wife, a mother, an entrepreneur. 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: She has an amazing podcast that she has started because 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: of all of the health stuff that she and her 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: mom have gone through. It's called the heel Squad. So 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: let's get into it. Let's welcome to the most dramatic 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: podcast Ever. Maria Manunos. All right, Maria Manunos, ringers off, 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: smile is on, We're good, We ready to go. 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: We're ready, Chris, let's do this. 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. Thank you for 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: joining me. You are somebody I've wanted to talk to 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: for quite some time. Not only do you just have 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: this amazing charisma and charm and wit, and I've always 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: loved to watch you and work alongside you as we 31 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: have for well, I hate to say it probably decades now, 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: but you have an amazing story as well that a 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: lot of people followed, and I know the audience to 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: the most Dramatic podcast ever will love diving into all 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: of this with you, and so I appreciate you being here. 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you. 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I know you are incredibly busy because I know you 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: have a two month. 39 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: Old Yes I do that ever happened to me. 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: I am amazed at the smile and the fact that 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: you look like you may have gotten five to six 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: hours of sleep which is pretty amazing. 43 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: Well, don't tell anyone. I'm definitely sleeping. 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Really, so Athena, your beautiful daughter is sleeping through the night, 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: eating like all is good. Don't tell anybody. Is that 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: a bad thing? 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: Well, the pediatrician told me today, she goes, do not 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: tell anybody that she's sleeping through the night. They'll kill you. 49 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: They'll be so pissed. 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: So that's kind of that's kind of a thing. So 51 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: I got lucky with my two kids. I had friends 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: who had the calligey baby, the ones who you had 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: to put on the uh washing machine or whatever to 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of rock them asleep, or they drove them around 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: the neighborhood all night long. So I've heard the horror stories. 56 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Thank god that wasn't me, and apparently that's not you. 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm like I said, I'm even scared 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: to say it now. Seriously, what any bad juju coming 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: our way? 60 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: No, you're smart, You're You're only two months into this. 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: So much can change, and it will, you know. 62 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: I really think Chris, God just gave me the reprieve. 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: God was like, this, poor girl, she's gone through so much, 64 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: Let's just give her a good baby. 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the least there. 66 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: Are good babies and bad babies. I don't believe there 67 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: are good babies and bad babies. They're all good. 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: There are more challenging children and less challenging, especially at 69 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: every stage, by the way, but especially when you start, 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: and it is just such it's such a change for 71 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: you and Kevin to go from this independent. We can 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: go anywhere, do anything any reservation we want to. Now 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: your life is controlled by this little nugget. How much 74 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: has it changed? 75 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: You know what? We weren't those people that were like, 76 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: we didn't live normal lives. Chris like, I worked crazy. 77 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: I was a human airplane. I did ten thousand jobs 78 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: at once. And then health crises hit our family and 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: so the last seven years was caretaking and cancer and 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So we haven't had the normal. 81 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: Like even Kevin and I's courtship was ruined. We never 82 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: got like a proper courtship. We didn't get married until 83 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: twenty years in basically, you know, so everything happened later 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: for us. We were never those people were like, oh, 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: we're like traveling here this summer. We never did that 86 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: stuff until the last few years. We've just started traveling 87 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: a little bit, and so, yeah, we are so grateful 88 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: for this change because it's what's been missing in our lives. 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: I've won this for so long. I've been really feeling 90 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: that that whole, and my parents kind of filled it 91 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: because I always looked at my parents like they were 92 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: my kids. I took care of them, I spoiled them. 93 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: But it was time for me to have my little bit. 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: When they say that clock is ticking, whatever that is, 95 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: you were feeling. 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: That, I was, Yeah, I was scared. 97 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: If you're not asking yourself those questions as a human being, 98 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: as you were about to be given another human being 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: to care for, you're crazy out of your mind. Or 100 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: maybe you're just so arrogant that you think you're perfect 101 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: at everything. If you don't think that, you are not prepared. 102 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: I just don't understand that because you are given a child, 103 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: a human then you just go home and that is 104 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: just not a normal thing. 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was thinking yesterday the first time I drove 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: her in my car, and how slow they used to 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: call me Maria ANDRETTI. I love speed, I love driving. 108 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: I was triving like such a snail, so scared doing 109 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: the cross and the car, praying to. 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: God were you just looking in your rearview mirror the 111 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: whole time because when Josh was my first, my son 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: who's now a senior in college. By the way, it 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: will happen very quickly, so don't worry about any sleepless 114 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: nights or when she when she throws up on you 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: or what. Just enjoy it all. But did you drive 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: around that first day? I remember leaving the hospital and 117 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: just looking like, is this He's still back there? He's 118 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: still back there, Just constantly checking and looking like what 119 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: is happening. 120 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: Well, we had a fly home because she was born 121 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. 122 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, true, So Athena by the way, for people 123 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: that don't know, born via surrogate in Wisconsin, and obviously 124 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: you guys live in La. 125 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we flew and got home. I 126 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 2: think by the time we landed in our actual home 127 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: it was like one o'clock in the morning. We had 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: been gone for three weeks, just you know, on baby 129 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: watch because we thought she was coming early, and of 130 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: course she came a day after her due dates, so 131 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: she really stretched our Wisconsin time out. We had a 132 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: lot of you know, what's funny, it was the one 133 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: time in life that we had where we had nothing 134 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: to do and just an abundance of time. So my dad, Kevin, 135 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: and I would just go to different restaurants throughout Milwaukee, breakfast, lunch, 136 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: and dinner, and we just enjoyed absolute, like peaceful nothingness 137 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: for so long, just anticipation and excitement. It was really 138 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: cool kind of together time. But yeah, we came in 139 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: the middle of the night and it was just my 140 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: friends had already helped me set up the house, thank god, 141 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: and we just all ran to our corners, unpacking, setting up, 142 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: getting her ready. And then the next day we took 143 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: a deep breath and we're like, Okay, we made it. 144 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: That's a lot of cheese curds in Wisconsin. That's a 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of time. What was your relationship with the surrogate 146 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: and do you have a relationship now or will you? 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, they're family for life. They gave us the 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: greatest gift in the world, and we really built a 149 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: great friendship with them and love them. And you know, 150 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: they've already come visit. They came out to visit two 151 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: weeks after we brought them out so they could go 152 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: to Disney, and we just we love them. 153 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm curious, obviously, It's hard to answer because this is 154 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: their perspective, But what is their feeling when they're around Athena? 155 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: Are they just excited because she's in such an amazing, 156 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: loving home and an amazing loving relationship. 157 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Both of them were on my show 158 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: Heel Squad, and they talked about the journey with us 159 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: and how rewarding it was to see us that moment 160 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: we became parents, so they'll never forget that moment and 161 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: just how special it was. And her husband remarked on 162 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: hearing me talk to friends on the phone, He's like, 163 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: hearing you say it's so great to call people with 164 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: good news from a hospital for once. Yeah, he was like, 165 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: that just moved me so much. And I realized, like 166 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: what we just did. And so when they came over, 167 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: it was great to have time to see her in 168 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: her environment and the kids, her kids or their kids 169 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: were so excited to see her in their environment and 170 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: kind of have that closure. And so, yeah, we're hoping 171 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: for an annual trip. We have a home in Connecticut, 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: so I said, every year, you guys got to come 173 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: in the summer and come visit and enjoy each other. 174 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: So that's very cool. What an amazing story, and just 175 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the fact that Athena will have that much more love 176 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: in her life is a good thing. 177 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Absolutely. 178 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: You mentioned health and cancer tumors, etc. Let's dive into it. 179 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Let's go back. So you are living this life with Kevin. 180 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: Life is good. And then you and your mom, who 181 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: has since passed away, both had brain tumors simultaneously. Yeah, 182 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: to even say that, it is hard to wrap your 183 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: mind around. 184 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: My mom was diagnosed in early September or late August 185 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen with glioblastoma stage four brain tumor, and then 186 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: a couple months later in April, I in twenty seventeen 187 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: was diagnosed with the men in geoma, which is a 188 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: benign They didn't know at the time for sure what 189 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: it was, but you know, once they operate they can 190 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: get all the pathology back. And they confirmed it. And 191 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: I had the top researcher in my studio here and 192 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: she said it was like lightning striking to have this happen. 193 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen, she said. So it was very strange, 194 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: but it definitely took me on a whole journey of 195 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: health and wellness and caretaking and shifting my whole life 196 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: into I think my purpose and my mission. 197 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you, and that your 198 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: researcher kind of took it away. I was wondering if 199 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: doctors ever said to you and your mom, like, how 200 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: this little cluster could have happened, if it's just this 201 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: weird once and a bajillion anomaly. 202 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know, and they're not hereditary, they're not 203 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: technically connected in any kind of way, so you know, 204 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: and I just called it my gift from go because 205 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: it was my gift. It was my invitation to change 206 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: my life. And I am a much happier person now. 207 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: I am just so much calmer. I am, ironically, even 208 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: though you'll see there are more health battles that happened. 209 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: I lived a pretty unhealthy life though I look healthy. 210 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: I was in toxic environments, toxic you know situations. I 211 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: was eating fast food twenty four to seven just to 212 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: make the day because I was working twenty hours a 213 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: day and seven days a week, and you know, I 214 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: was so hustle, hustle, hustle. I can do it, you know, 215 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: And so I always say life is in your health 216 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: is an accumulation of your choices. So at some point 217 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: I got better about my choices. My best friend convinced 218 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: me to quit fast food, so I quit the fast 219 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: food and then you know, just eventually the wheels come 220 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: off the wagon. And I think that though we haven't 221 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: done a lot of research on IVF, I don't think 222 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: IVF did me any favors either. Because you're introducing all 223 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: these synthetic hormones into your body. I knew it wasn't 224 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: a good energy for me. I felt it. I did 225 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: not like the idea, But hormones grow things. So now, 226 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: whether the brain tumor was in my head at that 227 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: point or not, I now started feeling extreme head pain 228 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: and other symptoms that led me to the brain brain 229 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: tumor discovery. Wow, and so who knows? 230 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: And you go through surgery, you get the brain tumor 231 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: taken out, but that wasn't the end for you. There 232 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: was cancer following a brain tumor. So when did you 233 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: get the cancer diagnosis? 234 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 2: So that was earlier this year. You know, there's so 235 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: many things that have happened in my life. I also 236 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: the caretaking journey is really really arduous and painful and emotional, 237 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: and a lot of people get cancer, taking care of 238 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: people with cancer. 239 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: Oh interesting. 240 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 2: And so there's a woman actually who created a clinic 241 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: in Mexico called Baja Dgate. That's where I took my 242 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: mom on two different occasions to help her when her 243 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: tumor was growing. And she created the clinic because she 244 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: got cancer taking care of her mother who had cancer. 245 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: And the clinic basically their whole mission is we don't 246 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: just take care of the patient, we take care of 247 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: the caretaker as well. So when my mom was getting 248 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: vitamin C infusions or whatever, so was my dad. He 249 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: was right next to her. Now, I was also the caretaker, 250 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: but I had to keep on working. 251 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: So I've never heard that that's really So they're making 252 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: a direct correlation between someone who has cancer and the caretaker. 253 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't have research on it. Yeah, but but that's 254 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: why she founded this this this place clinic and caretaking. 255 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you'll see, I'm pretty sure if I have 256 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: the statistic right, it was you know what, Actually, I 257 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: can pull it up because you're gonna it's gonna blow 258 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: your mind. And the caretaking crisis is such a major thing. 259 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: This is the message of what is what caretaking is 260 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: in terms of the toll it's taking on women's bodies. 261 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: So forty three million unpaid caregivers, mainly women in this country. 262 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: Stanford found forty percent of Alzheimer's and dementia patient caregivers 263 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: die before the patient they're taking care of. Wow. Fort yes, 264 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: and Alzheimer's is about to overwhelm the system in the 265 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: next twenty years. So I don't have statistics on the cancer, 266 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: but that statistic on the Alzheimer's just shows you how 267 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: much of a whole caretaking takes on a person, So 268 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: I do think that that also was a problem. There 269 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: was also a really crazy statistic about the amount of 270 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: people that got diabetes after getting COVID, So post COVID, 271 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: I got a whole bunch of other shit that happened 272 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: onto immune wise, and I was trying to get to 273 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: the bottom of all of it. In the interim. I 274 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: got another one called type one diabetes last June, and 275 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: so I'm dealing with the type one diabetes. I'm having 276 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: these weird pains. I'm going to the hospital. They're telling 277 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: me I'm fine. Well, they missed a tumor that was 278 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: two centimeters in November last year that doubled in size 279 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: by January. Of this year, and that was on my pancreas, 280 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: and so they diagnosed me with this pancreas tumor and 281 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: I had surgery February sixteenth. They removed the tail of 282 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: my pancreas, my spleen, seventeen lymph nodes, and then I 283 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: also had a fibrary the size of a baby. So 284 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: though I did not give birth to a baby, I 285 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: have a C section scar from the fibroid baby they 286 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: took out. And so that was the beginning part of 287 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: this year. And I'm lucky because this is exactly what 288 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: Steve Jobs died of. And so if mine was growing 289 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: that rapidly in two months, I'm like, do the math, 290 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: where would I have been by the time end of 291 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: June world around when Athena was born. So it was 292 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: really scary. But the thing that's scariest is when you 293 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: hear tumor on the pancreas, You're like, oh, I literally 294 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: looked at the radiologist. I'm like, so I'm a goner. 295 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Right, that's usually not great. 296 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: Like white as a ghost, Chris, He's welling up. He's 297 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: so freaked out. He's like, you need to go to 298 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 2: the hospital right now. And I'm like oh my God. 299 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: And Kevin and I just numb, but having gone through 300 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: so many crises, we're like, okay, just stay calm. We 301 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 2: get to the doctor now. My doctor is like, this 302 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 2: better be the dumbest radiologist that ever happened in this world. 303 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: He's like, this would be the cruelest joke in the world. 304 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: We do an MRI, they confirm the tumor in the pancreas. 305 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: He's now crying with me in the lobby, like. 306 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: What the yeah, that's worth a what the f. 307 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: And Kevin is like, We're going to be fine, guys, 308 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: stop crying. We're gonna be fine. We're going to be fine. 309 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 2: I meanwhile, he's terrified because he knows we have a 310 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: baby on the way, and I'm just like, how could 311 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: God finally bless me with a baby and I'm not 312 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: going to be here for her. And then the more 313 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: I thought about it, the more I realized, well, maybe 314 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense, Maybe this isn't the story that 315 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: I'm thinking the worst case scenario. They started shifting my 316 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: energy into possibilities. And I use this technique called choose 317 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: wonder over worry, so I would say, I wonder what 318 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 2: it's going to be like when the doctor calls me 319 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: with good news next and he would, I wonder what 320 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: it's going to be like when I get to the 321 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: other side of surgery and I do great And it happened, 322 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: and so I started doing that and helped. But there 323 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: was a period that was scary, and my doctor didn't 324 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: show me the report, thank god, where they said they 325 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: thought it was at our non rome and a carcinoma, 326 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: the badst tumor that so I always get the good tumors, 327 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: if you can have the worst tumors, but the best 328 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: of the worst, right exactly. My mom wasn't so lucky. 329 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: But when did your mom pass away? 330 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: My mom passed away two years ago in May. 331 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I marvel at and I guess the only thing 332 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: you could do is is laugh or smile at this point. 333 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: But I marvel at your attitude. And you mentioned how 334 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: it your philosophy has changed, life has changed. What was 335 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: the what was the impetus for that? Because you could 336 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: just as easily have gone down the other path of 337 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: being bitter, angry, pissed off at the world, and yet 338 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: you're not. Because it did take your mom, and it 339 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: did affect your dad, and it has clearly affected you 340 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: and you've been through it. How are you this person 341 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: with such positivity? 342 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: Well, I always do remember how blessed I am, and 343 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: I always like, even with the brain to I'm like, 344 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: I've had an amazing life. Yes, there have been a 345 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: lot of painful times, but I've lived a life that 346 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: you know, one percent of people could ever live. So 347 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: if this is the end, this is the end. I had, 348 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: you know, a great ride. I know I'm super blessed, 349 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: and I also am always thinking so many people have 350 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: it way worse. Yes, I had my head, saw it open, 351 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: and I've got all these cuts everywhere from the other 352 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: surgeries and stuff. But I'm strong and i can handle it, 353 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: and I have my family around me, and I'm good. 354 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: I can do it. You know, when my mom was 355 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 2: passing those six months we were on the East Coast 356 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: with her giving our safe passage. Sometimes my dad would 357 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: be like cooking and he'd break down and he say, 358 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: why us, Maria, why so many things in our family? 359 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, Dad, why not us? Why everybody else? 360 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: We can't always think it's going to be someone else, 361 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: or why is this unique thing happening to us? One 362 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: in three women and one and two men will get cancer. 363 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: I just did stand up to cancer. That's the statistic people. 364 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: So what we need to do is we need to 365 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: come to grips with bad Shit's going to happen. How 366 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: are we going to handle it? I choose to go 367 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: through it with humor. It doesn't mean that I don't 368 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: have my down moments. I was on my knees thinking 369 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: I may not get to meet my daughter that I've 370 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: been dreaming of for so many years and struggled so 371 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: hard to get So I was crushed, but I didn't 372 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: stay there. It's how long you stay there. And and 373 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: that's you know why I'm on this, Like maybe you 374 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: call it a health crusade, whatever it is. With my show, 375 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: I want to help people get as healthy as they 376 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: can to minimize and mitigate what might be coming. Right, 377 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: So some of us have made a lot of, you know, 378 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: not so great choices. The mac truck's coming. Can we 379 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: slow it down? Can we get it to veer to 380 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: the left, right? 381 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: Or when it does hit you, you rebound from it quicker 382 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: you have a better chance of surviving that hit. Yeah, 383 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: but your I guess the best word is perspective. You 384 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: have amazing perspective, And that's when I had read all 385 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: about your story. And obviously I've known you for years. 386 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: I know we're not like best friends, but I've always 387 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: kind of kept up with your story because I knew you, 388 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, her perspective is amazing. And that's 389 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: the difference to me of people that become relentless and 390 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: perpetual victims as opposed to as you just said, very astutey, 391 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: and I think you just crushed it. How long do 392 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: you stay in that misery? How long do you remain 393 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: a victim before you say, Okay, what do I do now? 394 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time to get up, Rocky. It ain't about 395 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: how hard you hit, It's about how hard you can 396 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: get hit and keep moving forward. When I got out 397 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: of brain surgery, Chris Kevin was filming me, because I 398 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: was like, film everything. I want to know everything. Yeah, 399 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: And the first things I said out of surgery was 400 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: that quote. And it's really, you know, there's certain things, 401 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: certain mantras like that life is happening for me, not 402 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: to me. Those are all mantras and quotes that help 403 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: me get back up. And you know the reality is, 404 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: no one's calming to save us, like we have to 405 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: save ourselves. We've watched all these Disney movies going to 406 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 2: be rescued, and we're the ones that have to rescue 407 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: ourselves and it's not easy. So you try to surround 408 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: yourself with good people, and humor is a really great 409 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: way to get through a lot of things. And then 410 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: we have to look around and just say someone has 411 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: it worse. Doesn't mean we can't have our feelings. We 412 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: are entitled to our feelings, our emotions. It's going to 413 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: be harder some days than others, but we have such 414 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: a short time here. How do you want to live 415 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: that time? So if that was my only you know, 416 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: two weeks or three weeks or three months, like you know, 417 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: maybe I was headed towards Steve Jobs, how did I 418 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: want to live those moments? And I've watched enough inspiring 419 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: movies to say I'd rather be like them, And so 420 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: that always inspires me. Is those people who are quadriplegic 421 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: and they're, you know, at the Olympics doing unbelievable things. 422 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if I could do that. 423 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: I really don't know. I don't know what it's you know, 424 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: what it's like to be in those situations, I can walk. 425 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: You have to think of what you can cand do 426 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 2: rather than what you can't do. And I don't know, 427 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: it's just it's worked for me. And listen, I had 428 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: a great role model. I watched my mom. We were 429 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: talking about this and crying at dinner last night, me, 430 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: my dad, and my mom's best friend. My mom heard 431 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: you have a brain tumor. She smiled. She went into 432 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 2: surgery brain surgery with a smile. So what was I 433 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: going to do? Cry? 434 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 435 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: I had a role model. I saw another way. And 436 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 2: so I think if enough of us see another way 437 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: to handle crisis, to handle something rough that happens in 438 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: your life, something you didn't deserve. Right, we always have 439 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: those moments when something should be happened and you're like, 440 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: I don't deserve this. I'm a good person. Why would 441 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: this happen? Yeah? And by the way, you're entitled to 442 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: a little of it, of course, But then, how do 443 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: I want to spin this? How do I want to 444 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: make lemonade out of this? Because lemonade is meant to 445 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: be made. God is pivoting you. I say God, you 446 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: can say Universe, you can say whatever you believe in 447 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: for me, God is pivoting you away from something for 448 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: a reason. God pivoted me out of so much I 449 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: didn't belong in for a reason, put me towards the 450 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: path I needed to be in. And so I just 451 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: I've always just been like, God, take me where I'm 452 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: supposed to go. I'll be a good person, I'll work 453 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: really hard. Just show me the way. I don't know where. 454 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: People always thought I had some master plan in my 455 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: career or whatever. I'm like, I'm just going I'm gonna 456 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: go wrestle here. I'm going to go do that over here. 457 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: And I just did whatever was in front of me. 458 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: That felt good, and because I know that there's a 459 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: path and I know I'm going to be taken there, 460 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: and so I was. And that's what I'm doing every 461 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: single day, and I'm lit over it because I'm helping myself, 462 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm helping my loved ones, and I'm helping other people 463 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: take control of their health. 464 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that perspective. I love the 465 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: attitude because I fully believe in that as well. Well. 466 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: That look, head, take your moment, have a pity party, 467 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: but then figure out why what's next moving forward? I 468 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: fully have lived that myself and I love that. And 469 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: as you look back, I'm curious because I know now 470 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: there are thousands and thousands of people who look at you, 471 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: listen to you, listen to the Heel Squad, and now 472 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure reach out to you if you could. And 473 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is fair, but is there 474 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: one change? Is there one healthy habit? Is there one 475 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: moment where you look back you're like, that's the biggest 476 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: or that was the thing, okay. 477 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: And this is not being promotional. This is your accountability partner. 478 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: Every day. I always say, if you want to get healthy, 479 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: you got to hang out with healthy people. If you 480 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: want to make money, go be with people who are 481 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: making money, like you have to surround yourself with what 482 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: you want to be. And so I always tell people 483 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: listen to my show Ohel Squad because you're going to 484 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: be continuously exposed. It's a good brainwashing, and so you're 485 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: gonna be continuously exposed to new techniques, new modalities, new 486 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 2: ways of thinking, new health experts, new health hacks. And 487 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: so my formula for people for their foundation is get 488 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: your circadian rhythm in in play. So that's getting outside 489 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: just before sunrise, seeing that change in light that sets 490 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: your circadian rhythm. It tells your body what time it 491 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: is and what processes it's going to start doing. And 492 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: then throughout the day, if any of you work in 493 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: fluorescent lighting, oh my lord, we got to kill the 494 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: fluorescent lights. Go outside, even if it's for two minutes. 495 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: Pretend you're a smoker and you need a smoke break. 496 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: Just go outside and get that light in your eyeballs. 497 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: Your eyes have your retinas have UV receptors. That light 498 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: is so important to your body. So I'm outside every 499 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: morning at sunrise. Just before I get that light, I 500 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: go inside. After fifteen minutes, I feed the dogs. I 501 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: go get Athena. I bring her outside where both I'm 502 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: in a bikini, she's in her little diaper, and I 503 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: feed her first feeding outside in that fresh early sunlight. 504 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: It's the most medicinal sunlight. We're told to stay away 505 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: from the sun and no, hold on, add some toxic 506 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: sunscreen on top of your skin. That's going to go 507 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: to your body. And the common denominator across most are 508 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: all cancers is low vitamin D. But stay away from 509 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: the sun and hold on, make sure you put that 510 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: toxic shit on your skin. Yeah, get in the sun, 511 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: build your solar callus very slowly, and get that medicine. 512 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: Your body is like a solar panel for your For. 513 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: The light, guys, obviously Maria is not spinning her winter 514 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin or Chicago. 515 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: Well, then you need red light inside. 516 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, I was asking if you 517 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: believe in the uh, the salt saunas, and. 518 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: The yeah, I do. So there's little red lights you 519 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: can buy for cheap, and you can at least be 520 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 2: getting that light in the winter months that you're missing 521 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: from being outside. So it's circadian rhythm getting the light. 522 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: Blue blockers, blue light toxicity I thought was bullshit. I 523 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: thought it was a scam, so we'd all go buy 524 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: new sunglasses or new glasses. It's not. It actually raises 525 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: your blood sugar. I'm Type one diabetic. For a moment, 526 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to heal that. But anyway, blue light actually 527 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: raises your blood sugar. It does all these bad things, 528 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: and it's I mean, it does a lot of bad 529 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: things in young people, so very controversial. But Jack Cruise, 530 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: doctor Jack Cruse said, one of the worst things we 531 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: can do is put our kids in front of blue light, 532 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: and that means tablets, phones, TVs, and so blockers are 533 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: really really important for during the day when you're in 534 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: blue light and then at night full blockers. So you'd 535 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: see Bono wearing those red glasses. Pretty sure he was 536 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: wearing blue blockers that whole time. 537 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: We always thought he was just being cool. 538 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, block the light, the blue light from your indoor 539 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: lighting at night, and that helps to not interrupt your 540 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: circadian rhythms, so your body will produce melatonin at the 541 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: proper time. You have to eat your food before sunset. 542 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: It's actually becoming a thing now, so it's becoming the 543 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: cool thing to do early dinners. I've been doing them 544 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: before they were cool. 545 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: So people in Boca Raton, they've eating their dinner at 546 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: four thirty. They've had it all along. 547 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: They've had it all along because you want your body 548 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: when it's producing melatonin to not be interrupted by having 549 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: dinner at a PM. And your body's like, wait, I'm 550 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: eating dinner now, and so you got so you add 551 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: that in and that is like my biggest thing for 552 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 2: right now. You do those things and ps, please get 553 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: a natural path on board. You got to know and 554 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: this is what I share on my show all the time. 555 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: Chris is you have to know your team. You're the coach. 556 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: You putting quarterback in the kicker position? Are you putting 557 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: the kicker in defense? No, know your team. Your Western 558 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: doctors are great at diagnosing mostly er your heart attack, 559 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: you broke your leg, stitch you up, give me a 560 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: life saving pancreas surgery, and diagnosing and prescribing, prescribing, very 561 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: good at prescribing. I mean they yes, it's a big 562 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: part of their their medical meeting, and so we love 563 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: them for what they're great at. Where they're weaker is 564 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: healing and getting to the root cause of something. They're 565 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: great at the band aids. 566 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 1: And stuff, and in typically nutrition they spend about an 567 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: hour of med school. 568 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: Yes, on nutrition, and Hippocrates said, the father of medicine said, 569 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: let food be thy medicine. Why are we forgetting that? 570 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: So if you get a natural it doesn't make money. 571 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: This is true. 572 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: That's a whole different that's a different podcast for a 573 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: different time. 574 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: So get a naturopath on board. Yes, who's going to 575 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: spend two hours with you in an appointment and go 576 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 2: to the root cause of why you're having diest of 577 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: issues and if you're having excuse me, forgive me. Diarrhea 578 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: and flatulence and all that stuff, and gas and bloating. 579 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: None of that is normal. So you need to go 580 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: talk to a doctor. And so that's my formula. 581 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: God, that is huge. I love it. By the way, 582 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: the passion behind everything you're talking about I love as well. 583 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: Before we go and we could go on for days 584 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: on this. I do love the quote that no one's 585 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: coming for you, you got to do this yourself. At 586 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: the same time, I have to imagine that Kevin, your husband, 587 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: who has been there every step of the way, must 588 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: be a rock. 589 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: Yes, he was. And you know who was unexpectedly a 590 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 2: rock was my dad. I don't want to tell my 591 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: dad because he had been through hell already. The last 592 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: thing I wanted to be like, oh, by the way, 593 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: now I have the other worst thing in the world, like. 594 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: His two girls, is you know two loves. 595 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really, really rough and so but you 596 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: know what was amazing is he handled it so well. 597 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: He was such a rock, and it was what I 598 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 2: really needed. I needed to really get to be the 599 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: daughter and be taken care of. And I gave him 600 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: that that gift. A lot of us always try to 601 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 2: protect our parents now I think it's like the trend right, yeah, 602 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: but I now gave him the gift to be able 603 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: to be a dad and take care of me, and 604 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 2: I got that great gift right back. So it was amazing. 605 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: And Kevin one hundred percent total rock, not gonna lie. 606 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: This one really frightened him. He was really scared, and 607 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: we were having conversations about how I wanted Athena raised 608 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: because we were so afraid in the first week when 609 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 2: we were waiting for information. But at some point he 610 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: shifted as well, and he was like, you're gonna be fine. 611 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, are you sure, And he's like, yes, 612 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're gonna be good. He's like, probably gonna 613 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: need surgery, but you're gonna be good. I'm like, okay, 614 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: but are you sure. 615 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: He sounds like a wonderful guy, and I want it. 616 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back on again because the 617 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: podcast is Heal Squad by the way, with Mariamo Nunos, 618 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: and this consider this a band aid of getting you 619 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: on this path. This was a small band aid on 620 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: a bullet hole. For the rest of this please go 621 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: to Heal Squad. And I agree. You are the sum 622 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: total of the five best friends around you. You are 623 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: the sum total of what you surround yourself with. Listen 624 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: to people that believe in healing and proactive maintenance and medicine, 625 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: and I totally agree. 626 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: So I won't ever just give into the diagnosis. I 627 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: always say, like, you don't know the story's ending, so 628 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,479 Speaker 2: why are you creating it by catastrophizing. Believe in hope, 629 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: believe in possibility. Okay, and if you're wrong, and you 630 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: know now you're that person that made the mistake, to 631 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: believe like you went through it with in a much 632 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: more peaceful way. And I read this really great quote 633 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: in a book recently. I'm going to have this guest 634 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: on my show, and she said, when they say it's incurable, 635 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: it just means they haven't found a medicine that goes 636 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: with it yet. So we are healing unhealable things all 637 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: the time. I've already done it. I got sidetracked with 638 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 2: this whole thing, and I'm getting back on it, and 639 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: eventually I'll tell the story of a miraculous healing that 640 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 2: did take place. And I'm already reversing all the conditions 641 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: that I've got. The autoimmune stuff are all reversing based 642 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 2: on the circadian rhythm, the blue light glasses and all 643 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 2: the different healing things that I'm doing, and so healing 644 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: is possible. So just remember that. 645 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: Healing is possible. I love that, Maria men who knows. 646 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate the time, and 647 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: we will do this again soon. 648 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 2: Sounds good. 649 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 650 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a 651 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 652 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: next time.