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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the murder of an American beauty,

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Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway will not go unavenged. From what we're hearing

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Speaker 1: right now, her killer, who I believe to be her killer,

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Speaker 1: yourn Vandersliet, the judge's son, is en route to the

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Speaker 1: United States to face justice.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Vox Station

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Speaker 1: in series sex sem one eleven.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen now, our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 3: It's been in nearly two decades since Natalie Hallway was

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Speaker 3: last seeing Now, sources telling ABC News at the transfer

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Speaker 3: process for the main suspect in her disappearance, Jurin Vanderslop.

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Speaker 2: Was put into motion overnight.

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Speaker 3: No those same sources selling ABC News that the thirty

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Speaker 3: five year old was being moved from a maximum security

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Speaker 3: prison in southern Peru to a prison in Lima, the capitol,

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Speaker 3: before making his way onto American Soul and that could

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Speaker 3: happen as.

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Speaker 2: Early as next week.

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Speaker 3: In Peru, he has been serving a twenty eight year

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Speaker 3: sentence for the murder of another woman, Stephanie.

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Speaker 1: Fours and more from our friends at tma US officials

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Speaker 1: awaiting what sources tell ABC News is the likely imminent

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Speaker 1: extradition of your Vanderslout, the prime suspect in the eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old unsolved disappearance of American teenager Natalie Holloway.

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Speaker 4: Vanderslut currently serving a twenty eight year prison sentence in

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Speaker 4: Peru for a different crime, the twenty ten murder of

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Speaker 4: a college student, but in the last few hours signs

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Speaker 4: a prisoner transfer to the US may finally be underway.

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Speaker 4: Authorities say Vanderslut left a maximum security prison in southern

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Speaker 4: Peru yesterday, flying to the capital, Lima under guard with me.

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Speaker 1: An all star panel to break down what we know

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Speaker 1: right now. But first to Emmy Award winning investigator journalist

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Speaker 1: Art Harris, and you can find him an Artarris dot

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Speaker 1: com art on the ground in Aruba from the very

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Speaker 1: beginning when Natalie first went missing.

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Speaker 2: Art, I don't like it. I don't like Hopscotch.

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Speaker 1: Number one, where you go from Lima to here, and

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Speaker 1: from here to here and from.

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Speaker 2: Here finally get to the US.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why nobody can afford a direct flight

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Speaker 1: to get him here. You know, Art, as you well know,

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Speaker 1: because he was a judge's son there in Aruba, he

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Speaker 1: slipped through the fingers of Lady Justice, and he ended

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Speaker 1: up murdering five years to the day, Stephanie Tsciana Florides. Sameo,

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Speaker 1: modus operandi, method of operation. Art Harris, meet Serretta Casino.

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Speaker 1: She's a young girl. Now she's dead. I don't want

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Speaker 1: it to happen again, Art Matthy.

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Speaker 5: Everyone knew on Aruba that this was his mo, that

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Speaker 5: he prayed on young women the night before they were

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Speaker 5: just to come back to the US if they were

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Speaker 5: on one of these trips. And so he is he

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Speaker 5: is not he was. He was more of a danger

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Speaker 5: in Aruba, well than than I suppose he was in Peru,

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Speaker 5: except to kill the boot and gal as well. But

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Speaker 5: he is he is, you know, just he is just

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Speaker 5: beyond the pale of pure He is pure evil.

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Speaker 1: So he is pure evil. And I don't know how

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Speaker 1: he's well, actually, I think you're right. I started to

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Speaker 2: They did, remember Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: Guys with me, Cheryl McCollum, She and I along with

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Speaker 1: Natalie's mom went to Aruba to read trace the steps

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Speaker 1: up any information, and we did. Cheryl McCollum, director of

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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute and star of a hit podcast,

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Speaker 1: Zone seven. Cheryl, he had the protection on only of

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Speaker 1: his father, but of the police in Aruba, and that

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Speaker 2: Her and would not help her in any way.

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Speaker 1: She's alone in a foreign country trying to find her

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Speaker 2: I mean, long story short, they did nothing.

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Speaker 1: So he did have it a more of a free

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants the truth about Natalie to be found on

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Speaker 1: that island, and that is why it is so imperative

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 7: Authorities may take the main suspect in the disappearance of

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Speaker 7: Natalie Holloway to the US in just a matter of days.

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Speaker 7: You're on vendor. Sluot was moved on Saturday from one

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Speaker 7: to the United States to face charges of extortion. Holloway,

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Speaker 2: Her body never was found.

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Speaker 1: But interesting, he is not your inventor. Sluit is not

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Speaker 1: being brought to the US even as we speak because

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Speaker 1: entirely different charges.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to j O'Brien.

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Speaker 4: Prosecutors alleged Van der Sloot promised Holloway's parents he divulged

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Speaker 4: the manner of her death, allegedly asking to be paid

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Speaker 4: Vanishing in Aruba during a graduation trip, Eighteen year old

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Speaker 4: Natalie Holloway's body has never been found. She was officially

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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us clinical psychologist,

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Speaker 1: author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety,

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Speaker 1: and you can find her at doctor Chloe dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Chloe, thank you for being with us. So here's a.

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Speaker 1: Guy that I firmly believe killed Natalie Holloway, a teen girl,

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Speaker 1: med I don't care how it happened, but he did it.

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Speaker 1: He's given various accounts of how Natalie died over the years.

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Speaker 1: They're all inconsistent with each other, and all of them

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Speaker 1: amount to, if not murder one premeditated murder, they amount

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Speaker 1: false imprisonment, aggravators sought. It could be a number of

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Speaker 2: No doubt in my mind. So we've got a guy who.

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Speaker 1: I believe murdered this teen girl now trying to squeeze

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you, doctor Chloe so Ceo.

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Speaker 8: Pass my goodness, Nancy, I think you hit the nail

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Speaker 8: on the head. And honestly, I'm inclined to agree with

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Speaker 8: murder and then to essentially toy with the family by

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Speaker 8: trying to extort them for money. I'm glad that they

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Speaker 8: what appears to just be the really vicious sociopath.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Matthew Mangino joining me, high profio lawyer

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Speaker 1: joining us out of Lawrence County, author of The Executioner's Toll,

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Speaker 1: and you can find Mattmanngino dot com Matthew, thank you for.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So often we hear about how prisoners are quote misunderstood.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that I misunderstand them. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: understand them, really, because I don't want to go in

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Speaker 1: their brain, in their mind and try to figure them out. Now,

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Speaker 1: not everyone behind bars is a quote bad person. But

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Speaker 1: think about Yourn van der Sloot. He murders a defenseless

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Speaker 1: teen girl that I believe he drugged with GHB gamma

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Speaker 1: believe he raped her because he described in detail the designs.

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Speaker 2: I believe there were flowers on her underwear.

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Speaker 1: Now he's trying to extort money from the victim's mother,

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Speaker 1: desperate to find Natalie, or at least find her remains.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even mentioning the murder of Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Tasciana Flores, or the woman he got pregnant behind bars

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Speaker 1: in Peru, who now he's divorcing for someone quote younger

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Speaker 1: and prettier, or the drug scheme he has behind bars

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Speaker 1: for that, forget all that, just the murder of and

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, certainly, we know from from his track

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Speaker 9: record here that he's he's not a good person.

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Speaker 1: Man, Wait a minute, not a good person, right, but

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Speaker 1: that is certainly putting perfume on the pig. Not a

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Speaker 1: good person. He's a repeat killer. That's a serial killer

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Speaker 9: Well, but we know that he's murdered one person because

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Speaker 9: he's received a twenty eight year cent. You believe he's

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Speaker 9: murdered another person, but that hasn't been proven in the

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Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure I heard Matthew Manngina say we

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Speaker 1: don't know that he killed Natalie Holloway. Ar Harris, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure. Wait no, I'm not pretty sure. I'm convinced

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Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt that your van der slut killed

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Speaker 1: Noalie Holloway. And again, I'm not saying you woke up

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Speaker 1: Holloway and had some long extended plants that just poisoning

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Speaker 1: a matter of him raping her. If she started throwing

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Speaker 5: There's so much circumstantial evidence you have made cases in court.

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Speaker 5: I watched you with far less evidence than you have here.

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Speaker 5: And the way you string it together, how can you.

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Speaker 2: I'm not stringing it together.

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Speaker 1: I'm not building something out of string and tape and

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Speaker 1: paper mache. These are the facts, Aret Harris, That's right.

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Speaker 5: But anyway I was saying is you have a pile

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Speaker 5: very convincing tale of guilt before. And this would be

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Speaker 5: go that far, and if we had jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, if we had jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: But the only thing we have jurisdiction on is this

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Speaker 1: attempt to get a court of a million dollars out

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Speaker 1: of a grieving victims mother. Please join us now on

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation for a brand new investigation, Parallels of Evil

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Speaker 1: the Bundy and Idaho killings. In this gripping special investigation,

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Speaker 1: we bring together an incredible panel of guests who analyze

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Speaker 1: disturbing similarities of evil between these horrible crimes. We speak

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Speaker 1: with two female Ted Bundy survivors, Karen Pryor and Cheryl Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who described their life before and after they were victims

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Speaker 1: of Ted Bundy. We also speak at the renowned private

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Speaker 1: investigator Bill Warner who worked in the cases, and Ted

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Speaker 1: Bundy's defense attorney, John Henry Brown. We traveled to Moscow, Idaho,

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Speaker 1: on Fox Nation Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Joe Scott Morgan, Cheryl irv Brant help

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Speaker 1: me explain to Matthew Mangino why we know o Yourn

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Speaker 1: van der Sloot murdered Natalie and we may never get

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Speaker 2: Would have to be done in Aruba.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, I'm gonna dare to circle back to Matthew Mangino

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Speaker 1: professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, who has an incredible

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Speaker 1: criminal science department. I've been there, I've toured it, I've

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Speaker 1: seen it at work. It's amazing. Author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, he did it.

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Speaker 1: And I hear Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor now defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: I get where he's coming from.

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Speaker 2: He did it.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what Mangino says he did it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he did it, Joe Scott, but he

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Speaker 1: did it. He killed her.

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Speaker 10: Miss was that The problem is there is no corpus DELECTI, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: there is no body when it comes to the physical

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Speaker 1: You know what, being a quite a stateing professor of

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Speaker 1: forensis I expected more than there's no body.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's a it's a tough road, Nancy, when you

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Speaker 10: don't have a body, because you know just the basic

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Speaker 10: things like manner of death, cause of death, those things

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Speaker 10: are you can only speculate about that, and I think

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Speaker 10: that that's probably what Matt is getting to, at least

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Speaker 10: are circumstantial events surrounding Natalie Holloway and also his predatory

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Speaker 10: it's quite troubling. And is there anybody else that work

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Speaker 1: You just got I've always respected you, I don't always

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Speaker 1: agree with you, but let me just be blunt.

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Speaker 2: What fairytale are you living?

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Speaker 11: In?

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Speaker 2: Man Aruba?

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Speaker 1: Is no more going to investigate missing girls and women

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Speaker 1: going to Because you just heard Art Harris pipe up tourism.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to put a toe on Aruba when you

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Speaker 1: know women go missing and drop dead like flies. It's no,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to uncover anything, you know, Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: I'm deeply disappointed by certain members of our panel today,

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Speaker 1: know if you're in Vandersliet murdered Natalie. What about his

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Speaker 1: multiple confessions they're all inconsistent. If somebody accused me and murdered,

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Speaker 1: I'd say, oh HGLN, I was so and.

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Speaker 2: So at that time. That did not happen. You're not

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Speaker 1: From my toins. It's not gonna happen. But here he goes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you how it happened. She hit her

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Speaker 1: Why would he give all of these confessions?

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Speaker 2: Help me? Cheryl? I obviously have some non believers. I

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Speaker 6: Not only has he admitted it multiple times, but I

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Speaker 6: want to remind everybody he wrote a book. He wrote

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Speaker 6: said the Case of Natalie Holloway, my own story about

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Speaker 6: her disappearance. He in the title he says it's the

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Speaker 6: case because he knows it's the criminal case. And in

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Speaker 1: You mean he found himself with her dead body. That's

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Speaker 1: what he meant exactly.

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Speaker 6: And then we have the similar transaction with Stephanie Flores.

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Speaker 6: Then we have his friend coming forward. Remember this guy

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Speaker 6: that says, oh, we burn her up and mixture bones

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Speaker 6: human bones of a Caucasian European person and Aruba did

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Speaker 6: what with that? They don't want it. They don't want

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Speaker 6: a fact they have human bones that are not Natalie

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Speaker 1: Guys, how did the extortion scam begin? What is the

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Speaker 1: genesis of your vanderslute extorting Natalie's mother?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? You know, Harris, you and I

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Speaker 1: Me as a felony prosecutor, handled a lot of murder cases,

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Speaker 1: and there is no grief like a murder victim's mother

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Speaker 1: endears nothing like it. You have children, you have your

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Speaker 5: He's a con man with less of a concience than

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Speaker 5: most because he is willing to prey on someone whose

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Speaker 5: pay for it, fine, But they also know the FBI

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Speaker 5: going to lead to what just happened, which is making

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Speaker 5: the case for extortion and wirefraud against Mandislet, which is

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Speaker 5: can get a piece of him at least a ten

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Speaker 5: to twenty year sentence that would let him spend part

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Speaker 5: back to the horrors of Peruvian prison. So life looking

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Speaker 1: I can only pray Art Harris, Guys, what is a

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Speaker 1: genesis of the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars demand

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Speaker 12: In twenty ten, a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 12: reward for information was offered. Vanderslote stepped forward. According to

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Speaker 12: legal documents, he would reveal the location of Natalie Holloway's body,

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Speaker 12: the circumstances of her death, and identify those in in

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Speaker 12: The Halloway's attorney went with Van der Slote to a

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Speaker 12: payment was given to him. Once there, Van der Slope

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Speaker 1: And what did he do with a twenty five grand

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Speaker 1: he scammed from Natalie's grieving mother.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 12: Surveillance video from a Lima casino shows Van der Slote gambling,

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Speaker 12: it is believed with the twenty five thousand he got

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Speaker 12: from the Holloway family. There he met the daughter of

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Speaker 13: I am truly regretful for what I have done.

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Speaker 12: Admitted to the violent murder and was sent to prison.

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Speaker 12: Now headed to the US, but still no answers as

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Speaker 1: So he gets the twenty five grand that he extorts

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Speaker 1: Spends it at casinos, and there he meets Stephanie Tassiana Flores.

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Speaker 2: I want to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about what's happening to your Vanderslute right now and

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Speaker 1: how we're getting him to the US.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 12: You're in vander Slope, one of Peru's highest profile inmates,

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Speaker 12: injured during a brawl in one of the country's most

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Speaker 12: violent prisons. It was a fight among some inmates, and

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Speaker 12: my client got involved when he tried to defend his friend.

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Speaker 12: Vander Slote is in prison for killing a woman in

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Speaker 12: Peru thirteen years ago.

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Speaker 9: I want to give a sincere confession and.

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Speaker 12: The prime suspect in the shocking disappearance of American Natalie

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Speaker 12: Holloway May thirtieth, two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: A sincere confession, my rear end. There is not one

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Speaker 1: Movement and that he is on his way to US soil.

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Speaker 4: His lawyer, telling ABC News he was severely beaten in

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now an expert an extradition and foreign

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Speaker 1: Solo on Amazon. IRV Brandt two things I'm very suspicious

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Speaker 1: of the beating incident which caused him we understand to

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. He could have been put in solitary.

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Speaker 1: Any number of measures could have been taken other than

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Speaker 2: He escaped.

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Speaker 1: At the courthouse, in the law library. Whenever there's a

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Speaker 1: Very often the escape takes place when they are being transported.

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Speaker 1: So he gets in a fight and has to be

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Speaker 1: the smell of that right.

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Speaker 11: There, no Nancy. It stinks to high heaven, and it

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Speaker 11: Maybe the motivations of him. Maybe he was intentionally trying

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Speaker 1: And why now he's been in jail for murdering Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: in a fight and have to move jail facilities.

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Speaker 11: They moved him from his facility to the facility in

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Speaker 11: the Capitol, and that's probably what started to fight. Is

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Speaker 11: got into an altercation. And I'm sure he's in isolation

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Speaker 11: now until he can be turned over to the FBI. Oh,

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Speaker 11: I'm sure have the paperwork done, They have the parole letter,

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Speaker 11: they have a jet waiting. Just as soon as he's

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Speaker 11: he makes all his court appearances and he's relatively healthy.

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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Or Brandt with all the money that Congress extracts from

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Speaker 1: us every year. We can't afford a NonStop flight. Why

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Speaker 1: does he have to hopscotch from one place to the next.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 11: I'm not absolutely sure on that. The FBI may have

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Speaker 11: a jet that has the range. They may have a

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Speaker 11: Gulf Stream Galaxy standing by that can go from Lema

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Speaker 11: straight in Alabama, and the jet doesn't have that type

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Speaker 11: of range, then they can refuel in Puerto Rico or

447
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Speaker 11: Miami or someplace like that and bringing in. It's not

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Speaker 11: he wouldn't be getting off the plane. If they're going

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Speaker 11: to make us stop. The only thing they do is

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Speaker 11: refuel the jet then continue on. They could turn in

451
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Speaker 11: this paperwork his parole letter to CBP and process, but

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Speaker 11: it's not like they would be bringing them off the

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Speaker 11: jet and putting them in a facility then going on.

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Speaker 11: It would just be the jet on the tarmac to refuel,

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Speaker 11: then it would be onward to their destination.

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Speaker 1: I just don't like any room, any wiggling room for

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Speaker 1: your vandersloot to make some sort of an escape or

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Speaker 1: commit another crime during the layover or the stop or

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Speaker 1: the refueling or whatever. It becomes another question to IRV

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Speaker 1: Brandt joining us US Marshall Service International. Why is it

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Speaker 1: shrouded in secrecy the extradition process.

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Speaker 2: They always get the prisoner in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: night and.

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Speaker 1: He will probably be brought to the Birmingham pin and

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Speaker 1: relative secrecy.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 11: It's just security precautions that are standard in every extradition

468
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Speaker 11: with a high profile cases. Even more if you announce it,

469
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Speaker 11: you're going to have news helicopters flying around when you're

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Speaker 11: trying to get a shot of him being loaded on

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Speaker 11: the jet. You're going to have people gathered around in

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Speaker 11: terminals or places where they land. It's just something that

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Speaker 11: you try to avoid. The less people who know, the

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Speaker 11: more control you have over the situation. Like you said

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Speaker 11: about fearing an incident in transit, it just cuts down

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Speaker 11: on the chances of there being an incident.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's sake, Cheryl McCollum, I couldn't bring

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Speaker 1: a witness over from the Fulton County Jail to the

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Speaker 1: Fulton County Courthouse without some incident on the jail transport

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Speaker 1: bus somebody.

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Speaker 2: Getting stabbed with a pencil.

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Speaker 1: Are so a fight breaking out or the witness getting

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Speaker 1: intimidated just on the twenty minute ride to the courthouse,

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Speaker 1: much less transcontinental.

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Speaker 2: Flight from Peru to the US. There's a lot that

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Speaker 2: could go wrong.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot that could go wrong. But I'm going

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Speaker 6: to tell you the Marshall Service are top drawer. This

489
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Speaker 6: man is going to be snatched out in the darken night.

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Speaker 6: He's not going to know exactly when it's going to happen.

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Speaker 6: They're going to take him briskly to that aircraft. He's

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Speaker 6: going to be handcuffed. They already know he's a con artist.

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Speaker 6: They already know what he's about. They are not going

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Speaker 6: to be fooled. They are not going to be impressed.

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Speaker 6: They are going to have zero issue getting him to Alabama.

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Speaker 6: And once he's there, it's going to be a different

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Speaker 6: world for him. I promise you. He ain't going to

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Speaker 6: be running drugs there, he ain't going to have no

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Speaker 6: consitual visit there. It's going to be a completely different

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Speaker 6: world immediately.

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Speaker 1: So when do we expel him to leave, Aunt Harris

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Speaker 1: or anyone on the panel, and when do we expect

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Speaker 1: him to be here?

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Speaker 5: You've been several estimates, Nancy. He can leave us soon

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Speaker 5: tomorrow and be here as soon as Thursdanight that's two

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Speaker 5: different networks.

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Speaker 1: So leave as soon as tomorrow and be here as

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Speaker 1: soon as Thursday. How long does anybody know how long

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Speaker 1: the flight is from the US to Peru?

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Speaker 2: How long will he be in transit? What about it?

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Speaker 2: Erv Brant?

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Speaker 11: Well, if he was going, it's probably eight to ten

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Speaker 11: hours from uh Lima to Miami, then another two and

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Speaker 11: a half hours from Miami to Birmingham. So transit time

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Speaker 11: you're looking at ten to twelve hours.

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Speaker 1: A lot can go wrong, but as Cheryl pointed out,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows he's a con person. This is what we

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Speaker 1: expect to happen. Take a listen to our cut ninety.

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Speaker 1: Our friends at ABC and for US attorney can nowaday.

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Speaker 14: What happens is what happens in a regular federal criminal prosecution.

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Speaker 14: He's presented before a federal judge in Alabama, where he's

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Speaker 14: reigned on the charges against him. In all likelihood he

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Speaker 14: will put in a not guilty plea, and then the

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Speaker 14: case proceeds like any other federal criminal trial. There's an

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Speaker 14: opportunity for the defense to make motions, the prosecution will

526
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Speaker 14: provide evidence to the defendant, and it will go to trial, unless,

527
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Speaker 14: of course, he pleads guilty.

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Speaker 1: That's what we think is going to happen, and then

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Speaker 1: the case will proceed slowly to trial. It doesn't always

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Speaker 1: end the way we think it will when it comes

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Speaker 1: to extraditions. It's frankly a miracle that we've gotten this

532
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Speaker 1: far and it's taken two decades to get this guy

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Speaker 1: extradited to the US. Do I need to say the

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Speaker 1: name Roman Polanski? Take a list to your own news.

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Speaker 15: Poland Supreme courts rule that filmmaker Roman Polanski cannot be

536
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Speaker 15: extradited to the US over a child sex conviction in

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Speaker 15: the nineteen seventies. The three judges rejected an appeal by

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Speaker 15: the Polish government. A district court in Crackoff had also

539
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Speaker 15: ruled the American demand was inadmissible. The Supreme Court's decision

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Speaker 15: is final. The United States had requested the Oscar winning

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Speaker 15: director's extradition after he made a high profile appearance in

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Speaker 15: Warsaw two years ago. Polanski, who's now eighty three, admitted

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Speaker 15: unlawful sex with a thirteen year old girl in nineteen

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Speaker 15: seventy seven. He spent six weeks in jail after a

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Speaker 15: plea bargain, but then fled the US fearing a lengthy

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Speaker 15: jail sentence if the agreement was overruled. His victim has

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Speaker 15: said the filmmaker's exile has been punishment enough. Polanski has

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Speaker 15: dual French Polish nationality and lives in France, which doesn't

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Speaker 15: extradite it citizens.

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Speaker 1: So there you have France refusing to extradite an alleged

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Speaker 1: child rapist Roman Polanski. On the other hand, sometimes it

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Speaker 1: all works out the way you want it to. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen hour cut one oh seven our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 13: This dramatic moment was the beginning of the end Juaquina

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Speaker 13: Chappo Gusman. After his long run from the law, repeatedly

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Speaker 13: escaping authorities, he was now caught. He had no idea

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Speaker 13: where he was being taken. In this never before seen

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Speaker 13: video obtained by ABC News, this was the moment when

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Speaker 13: the notorious drug lord learned he had landed in New York.

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Speaker 13: He had been brought to the US to face justice.

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Speaker 1: We cannot emphasize the risk of escape enough. Now, whereas

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Speaker 1: El Chapo had millions of dollars and thousands of henchmen

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Speaker 1: at his disposal, Roman Polanski shrouded in foe celebrity. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Takelos an hour cut one eight ABC.

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Speaker 1: See what lengths El Chapo went to in order to

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Speaker 1: escape justice.

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Speaker 13: A man who famously escaped two Mexican prisons, El Chopo,

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Speaker 13: seen here slipping beneath his prison cell, going through the

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Speaker 13: floor of the shower, disappearing into the elaborate mile long tunnel.

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Speaker 13: We saw that tunnel first hand in Mexico, even the

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Speaker 13: motorbike that was waiting for him in the tunnel to escape.

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Speaker 2: This is the house where he just walked into and disappeared.

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Speaker 13: But months later, Mexican authorities would storm at Chopler's hiding,

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Speaker 13: grabbing him outside one of his tunnels, turning him over

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Speaker 13: to the US. And tonight an American jury convicted him,

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Speaker 13: likely sending him away for life.

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Speaker 7: And if we can get our hands on El Choppo,

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Speaker 7: arguably the most notorious crime boss in the history of

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Speaker 7: this world, I would say we can get our hands

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Speaker 7: on anyone.

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Speaker 2: It's just a matter of where and when.

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Speaker 1: Really now, he was an infamous drug lord. But what

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Speaker 1: about a.

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Speaker 2: Single female hiding out in Costa Rica. Take a list and.

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Speaker 1: His name Caitlin Armstrong ring a bell to our cut

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Speaker 1: one hundred Our friends at Fox.

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Speaker 16: Seven Armstrong used a passport. Now, the real identity of

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Speaker 16: the person who had that passport, we're told was somebody

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Speaker 16: who closely physically resembled her. She continued using that alias

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Speaker 16: well in Costa Rica, taking a bus going to yoga studios.

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Speaker 16: This enabled authorities to establish a paper trail and eventually

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Speaker 16: close in on her.

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Speaker 1: And when Taylor Armstrong was finally found, she had actually

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Speaker 1: had cosmetic surgery to change her appearance. That said, Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: it's a miracle that we are finally bringing your van

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Speaker 1: der Sloot to us soil. But it ain't over yet,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to jinx it. When do you

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Speaker 1: think he will be here? And when do you think

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Speaker 1: he will go to trial?

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Speaker 11: Cheryl?

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Speaker 6: I think he'll be here by Thursday. But I also

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Speaker 6: want to point out something. Several of those clips you

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Speaker 6: just showed those folks before they fled were free. He's

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Speaker 6: not free.

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean like al Chapo.

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Speaker 6: I know several of them, like Plainsky and the tremail

607
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Speaker 6: you were just trying about, they were already out. So

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying he doesn't know where he's going to

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Speaker 6: wake up tomorrow. He's going to be handcuffed, stay handcuffed.

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Speaker 6: He has no money, he has no associates that are

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Speaker 6: going to help him. He doesn't even have family that

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Speaker 6: visits him. His wife has left him.

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Speaker 1: He oh, she didn't leave him. He divorced her for

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Speaker 1: a quote younger and prettier woman. She's still pining for

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Speaker 1: your Vanderslout. I can't really understand that, Matthew Mangino, high

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Speaker 1: profile lawyer. Extraditions are usually a simple matter. It's the transport.

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Speaker 1: In this case, of course, it took a lot to

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Speaker 1: get Peru to finally do it, but they did do it.

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Speaker 1: Pursue it to a two thousand and one tree, the

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Speaker 1: US and Peru. But I think the extradition process in

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Speaker 1: court is very simple.

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Speaker 9: Yes it is, and in fact, in this situation, Jordan

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Speaker 9: Vandersleut waved extradition, which tells me that he wants to

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Speaker 9: come to the United States. He doesn't want to be

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Speaker 9: in a Peruvian jail any longer. He wants to be

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Speaker 9: in a jail where you know there's going to be

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Speaker 9: you know, three miles in a shower, in a jail cell,

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Speaker 9: where you know he's going to be away from their inmates.

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Speaker 9: For us with you, I mean he wants it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I agree with that either, Matthew

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Speaker 1: because he has drugs, alcohol, sex, He's even father and

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Speaker 1: a child behind bars, gotten married, is getting divorced, has

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Speaker 1: a new girlfriend, all behind bars. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: would happen in the US jail, But we wait as

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Speaker 1: Thursday approaches.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,