1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Third hour Clay and bought kicks off. Now, our friend 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Julie Kelly back in the mix. She is the author 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: of the declassified sub stack, which you should go check out, 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: go subscribe to it, doing a lot of work on 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: the law fair, the K six defendants and more. She's 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: in DC. And my understanding, Julie is you just left 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: the courthouse. What were you there for? And what is 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: the latest of the ongoing law fair against Donald Trump. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, so I was there this morning. This is 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: the first hearing in more than ten months in Special 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: Council Jacksmiths January sixth related indictment of Donald Trump. Of course, 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: the proceedings have been on hold as Judge Tiny Chutkins's 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: immunity opinion, which denied the president immunity from presidential from 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: excuse me, criminal prosecution, moved through the Appella Court and then, 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: of course the Supreme Court, which came back on July 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: first with its landmark opinion in Trump versus is the US, 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: outlining basically three separate buckets of immunity. So now that 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: the court, the Supreme Court handed that down, Jack Smith 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: had to address it. In his old indictment. He cut 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: nine pages from it because the Supreme Court said all 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's communications with his Department of Justice were 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: of course well within his core powers constitutional powers. So 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: Jacksmith had to cut nine pages. He dropped a co conspirator, 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Clark, who was with the boj at the time. 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: Jack Smith filing a superseding indictment last week and basically 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: restarting the proceedings, and that was the basis of this 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: hearing today. What the next steps are will be in 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: this case. 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: Julie, this is all chaotic. I think it's hard for 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: people to follow. I mentioned earlier. I want to hit 31 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: this one and we'll come back to DC. But I'm 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: sure you saw Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade together again 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: showing up at Fanny Willis's daughter, I believe was arrested 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: for a traffic violation, and Nathan Wade, who supposedly isn't 35 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: involved with Fanny Willis anymore, she testified under oath that 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 3: their relationship was done. Now maybe they rekindled that romance, 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 3: if you want to be kind to her, and so 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: she didn't lie under oath, but. 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: I thought it was real. Soon to the soap opera 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: here way, Well, I mean, look, I mean, and. 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: It feels so good. 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: Come on, all you had to do was not sleep 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: with the person that you hired to try to put 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: Trump in prison, and that case may well have been 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: able to go to trial. I mean, it's really the 46 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: incompetence is kind of amazing. But I thought it was 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: emblematic of sort of the incompetence that has existed, whether 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: it's Jack Smith getting the case tossed in South Florida 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: having to do a superseding indictment, and now Alvin Bragg 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 3: Fanny Willis. We also have, in addition to what's going 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: on with Judge Chutkins's courtroom, and I'm gonna ask you 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: about her sort of mindset. What do you think is 53 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: going to happen with Judge Merchand because now he's got 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: to make a decision and it's a pretty big one 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: what to do with Trump. I saw there was a 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: hagiogur at the profile of just. 57 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: Remind everybody real quickly that we're talking about New York 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: City now, where the just soever? Because we're moving around 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: to cases and judges here the idiot sentence. 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 3: It's so messy when you look at all this, Julie, 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: what do you think they're going to do in New 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: York City. 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: Look, I think we talked about this maybe last week, 64 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: and I've tweeted this, and that is these judges and 65 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: prosecutors don't care. They don't care if higher courts come 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: in and I saw that today with Judge Chuckkin. They 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: don't care if they're humiliated at the appellate level or 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. These prosecutors don't care if they're humiliated 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: in the press or even by their colleagues. Their only goal, 70 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: and it's is prosecutors and judges Georgia, New York, Washington. 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: Thank God for judging Lean Cannon and Florida. She's the exception. 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: If this helps to destroy Donald Trump, to help disable 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: or hurt him at all the election, they don't care 74 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: about the long term consequences. And this is what we 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: could talk about Judge Tony Chucktim today. They are all 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: on the same page. They have no respect for the 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: rule of law or due process, for common decency. So, 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: of course Jan Marshawan is going to come back on 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: September sixteenth. He is going to issue an order without 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: any hearing, without any inputs from the Department of Justice. 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: He is going to come back and say that the 82 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: Supreme Court's immunity ruling has no odds involvement, has no 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: part of the New York case, even though the New 84 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: York case deals with when Donald Trump was in the 85 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: White House communications he had with White House employees and officials. 86 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: He's going to come back and single handedly say no, 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: none of this is covered under the Supreme Court immunity ruling. 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: And two days later won't even be enough time for 89 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's lawyers to file an emergency appeal. Any immunity 90 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: decision is automatically appealed, and it puts the proceedings on today. 91 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: They'll barely have time to file that appeal before two 92 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 2: days later, on September eighteenth, Marshan is supposed to sentence 93 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: Donald Trump for his convictions. He doesn't care if he 94 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: gets overturned later. He really these judges do not care. 95 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: That is the frightening aspect of all of this. And 96 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: so you cannot expect good behavior from Fanny Willis, or 97 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: good behavior from Jan Marshon, or even just do your 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: job the ways that we expect you to. There's no 99 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: consequences for them, and even long term if they're overturned 100 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: by the courses. I said, they don't care because their 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: short term goals will have been achieved. 102 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Prepare for Trump to be sentenced to prison. On September 103 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: eighteenth was the article that Anny McCarthy wrote up at 104 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: Fox News. What do you think about that? Really? I mean, 105 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: you're kind of leading up to it, but I feel 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: like we needed to say this out loud. Do you 107 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: really think that Judge Mrchan is willing to do that? 108 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we've discussed this before. You can't 109 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: put anything past him because he has acted so badly, 110 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: of course, totally compromised with his daughter's involvement in democratic politics, 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: made at least thirteen million dollars while her father was 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: presiding over the Trump case, raking in at least thirteen 113 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: million from Trump meeting Democrats, including Adam Schiff, and then 114 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: preaking a gap order on Donald Trumper. He can't even 115 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: make public statements about her. And then you had the 116 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: federal court a judge also deny. Last week, Donald Trump's 117 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: moved to remove the case from a state court to 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: federal court, where it belongs because this deals with federal conduct. 119 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: Now it deals with the Supreme Court ruler. You had 120 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: a ninety year old Clinton judge who probably didn't even 121 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: read the Supreme Court immunity rule, probably didn't even read 122 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: the motion to move it from state to federal court. 123 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Immediately deny that. I mean, Donald Trump simply cannot get 124 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: any release from any of these judges or prosecutors, except 125 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: of course judging in Cannon, who dismissed the document's case 126 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: last month, or excuse me in July based on the 127 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: unconstitutional appointment of Jack Smith, but other in any other 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: scenario here, in any of these trials, and this extends 129 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: to the Jay sixers, and we could talk about this later. 130 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: These judges and prosecutors have no respect for the rules 131 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: block or the Constitution for due process rights. They are 132 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: all just partisan actors. And this is and they are 133 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: setting very dangerous precedents in the process. 134 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: You mentioned in the January six ers. It seems that 135 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: despite the Supreme Court ruling about an excessive use of 136 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: a Sarbines Oxley based charge to try to put people 137 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: behind bars for as long as possible, that most judges 138 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: are not really applying the Supreme Court precedent in a 139 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: way that they should, in my breeding, in a beneficial 140 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: way for most jan six defendants. With that in mind, 141 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: I know Trump has talked about pardoning many of those 142 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: jan six defendants. 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Do you think you will? Do you think he should? 144 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: And I don't mean everybody. 145 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: Some people legitimately attacked police officers, they engaged in actual 146 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: acts of violence. But grandma's with selfie sticks who walked 147 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: into the capitol and got charged with crimes. I mean, 148 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: you would know better than me, Julie, But I would 149 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: think ninety five percent of these people that there's no 150 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: doubt Trump should pardon them if he's elected. 151 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think the lowest hanging fruit would be 152 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: those who are convicted of the misdemeanor offenses because those 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: simply have never been applied in a federal capacity to 154 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: any political protesters in Washington. Those people, all of them, 155 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: and this represents overwhelming majority of cases, are just these 156 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 2: four federal misdemeanors. All of those defendants should be pardoned. Then, 157 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 2: of course you go to those who were convicted or 158 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: created guilty to the fifteen twelve C two obstruction what 159 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: you were just recurring to again overturned by the Supreme 160 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: Court in June. All of those people should be, of 161 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: course pardoned for that. I would take it a step further, 162 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: civil disorder, other nonviolent offenses, those people should be pardoned 163 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: as well. Then you could separate out people who attack 164 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: police officers. Now is throwing a water bottle attacking a 165 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: police officer that should land someone in prison for six years. 166 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: So what I think the next step is to look 167 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: at that bachelor of defendant and then compare that to 168 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: similar cases in Washington, d C. Where you have people 169 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: who attack police officers all the time. We just saw 170 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: this in the Prohamas demonstrations a few months ago, attacking 171 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: federal police. Those people have not even been arrested or charged, 172 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: let alone had the books fromit them. So then the 173 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: president will have to look at comparable case and those 174 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: sentences and almost all of them should be commuted because 175 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,479 Speaker 2: there's just no comparison between people who've attacked federal officers 176 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: during a political protest, whether it's twenty seventeen, twenty twenty, 177 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, or certainly this year or early late 178 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: last year. That there has to be equity in how 179 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: the law is applied in Washington. But that is not happening. 180 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: And every time I come here, you guys, I am 181 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: more disgusted and truly heartbroken in a way at what 182 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: I see happen in the CC courthouse. They basically judges 183 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: are saying back to the Fisher fifteen Twelvey two. They 184 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: are saying to J. Sixers, the criminal Code and the 185 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: Federal sentencing guidance never anticipated an event like January sixth, 186 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: so they can basically make up laws, they can misapply 187 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: the law, They can ignore limits in federal sentencing guidance 188 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: to exact maximum punishment on J. Sixers, even to the 189 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: point of ignoring the Supreme Court, which is what they're 190 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: doing because they want to send a message, like Marrick 191 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Garland has said, this will not be tolerated. If you 192 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: try to protest again the election in Washington, the twenty 193 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: twenty four results, this is what will happen to you. 194 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: Truly, I have to ask you, you know, because there's 195 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: some back you know, back channel chatter going on among 196 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of people I know on the right that 197 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: while we see all this Russia Russia stuff as just 198 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: the most obvious and conveniently timed political manipulation in advance 199 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: of the election, that maybe there's more stuff going on. 200 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: We know what happened to Trump, we know about the 201 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: abuse offiza, we know about the whole weaponization of the 202 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: deep state. It's still there, and now they've got a 203 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Democrat president. Do you have any concerns, given the return 204 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: of you know, Russia collusion three point zero or whatever 205 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: we're calling it, that we're just seeing the beginning of this. 206 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: Possibly because you know that they will use that, just 207 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: as they did in twenty twenty, to suppress and information, 208 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: to suppress free expression. I believe the indictment, and I 209 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: haven't had a chance because I've been here covering this 210 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: deals with if you make negative comments about immigration or inflation, 211 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: that somehow that is going to be Russian disinformation, just 212 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: like we thought about Hunter's laptop, just like we thought 213 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: about criticism of absence ye voting in twenty twenty. But 214 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 2: it's stunning to me the same DJ claiming the Russians 215 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: are trying to interfere in our election, having Jack Smith 216 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: and at least eight other federal prosecutors in a DC 217 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: courtroom this morning advancing an indictment, a weak, watered down 218 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: indictment that will ultimately be tossed, keeping that indictment in 219 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: play now sixty days away from election day, and having 220 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: a federal judge, judge time touch an Obama appointees, stay 221 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: out loud. Election has no consideration in my courtroom. The 222 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: electoral schedule will have no impact on my trial schedule, 223 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: on hearing schedule moving forward. It is not a factor 224 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: in my courtroom. That's what she said. So the same 225 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: Dooja warning about what now you know more Russia, Russia, 226 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: Russia vagrantly allowing their own department and special council, unconstitutional 227 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: special council, by the way, advancing this indictment, keeping Donald 228 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Trump's lawyers in court, and also keeping this phony, bogus 229 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: indictment in the headline. 230 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: Julie Kelly, everybody declassified is your sub stack. 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We're going to head down to or 273 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: out to Israel and get the absolute latest there from 274 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: Jeff Tigue's a friend of yours here in a minute, Buck, 275 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: But I do think putting a bow on what Julie 276 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: Kelly just hold all of us. I mentioned earlier the 277 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: Fanny Willis Nathan Wade mess I think that case is 278 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: going to end up getting tossed on appeal because I 279 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: think it's implicated by the Supreme Court decision even though 280 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: it's a state matter. But when Trump wins and I 281 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: say win because I believe he is going to win, 282 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: and he drops all of these cases, one of the 283 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: fascinating things that's going to be kind of at play 284 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: buck is remember Jack Smith can still try to do 285 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: things with these cases in November, December, and January, after 286 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: the actual election has taken place. Now, I think the 287 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: practical impact is they're going to toss much of this 288 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: and just kind of put it on the back burner 289 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: because it's blown up in their face. But I do 290 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: think we need to spend some time talking about the 291 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: decision that Judge Merchand's going to have to make on 292 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: September eighteenth, and I think it could be impacted by 293 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: how the presidential race is going in the way of 294 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: the debate in terms of his decision making. 295 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: To be clear, Andy McCarthy's and we should probably have 296 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: him back before the sentencing. There we go. Andy said 297 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: in his peace that, oh, Clay, I think I talked 298 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: to him about this while you were out by the way, 299 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: and then you and Julie talked aboutself last ye. Yes, Well, 300 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: he said that Merchan's got a sentence Trump to prison, 301 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: but he won't be taken into custody pending appeal. So 302 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: you get Trump sentenced to prison without actually all that 303 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: stuff about like oh, we can't he go to Rikers 304 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. Forget all that. He'll be released on his 305 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: own recognissance until appeal, which gets us past the election. 306 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: But you will have Trump sent otherwise. What was this 307 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: all about? As far as the lunatic communists are concerned, 308 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna say, give him a fine. That was a 309 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: fine hour community. 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Call one 330 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: eight hundred LifeLock or go online to LifeLock dot com 331 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: use my name Clay for forty percent off. 332 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck live from Israel 333 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: with us right now overseas, We've got our friend, Jeff Tigues. 334 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Jeff spent twenty five years in the Special Operations community. 335 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: He was a Delta Squadron commander. He has tremendous experience 336 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: in military and national security affairs. He just today met 337 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: with Prime Minister Benjamin at Yahoo and also with the 338 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: Defense Minister of Israel. Jeff, first of all, just tell us, 339 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: tell us about the mission set over there and what 340 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: you've learned so far. 341 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 5: Well, Bob, thanks a lot for having me. It's great 342 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 5: to connect with you again. You know, just a few 343 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: weeks ago, this organization that I hadn't heard of before 344 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: the European Leadership Network reached out to me. They were 345 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 5: looking for a couple of Americans to join them on 346 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 5: this military expert panel that consists of mostly Brits but 347 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 5: a couple of Aussies, an officer from Romania and France, 348 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 5: and I had no idea we were we would be 349 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 5: given this level of access. So we've really gone from 350 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 5: the tactical briefings. We surveyed the sites of the October 351 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 5: seventh attack in Israel, We went to a couple of 352 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 5: the kid we'd seen, and went to where the Nova festival. 353 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 5: We got some really detailed briefings on how this attack 354 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 5: was actually pulled off. We saw some video that that 355 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 5: has not been seen before. So from the tactical level, 356 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 5: we've had some incredible access, and we have also been 357 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 5: briefed by some of the commanders on the ground, the 358 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 5: commander that just was replaced, who has really the one 359 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 5: who really became the groundbreaking pioneer on how to integrate 360 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 5: the fight within Gaza above ground and below ground. And 361 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 5: then yesterday we were actually able to have a military 362 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 5: escort from the IDF to survey what is actually happening 363 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: in Gaza the fight. 364 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: So you were in Gaza yesterday. 365 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: Probably we were in Gaza yesterday, Yeah, and we followed 366 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 5: the Philadelphia quarrider from the Rafa entrance all the way 367 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: down to Swedish Village to the sea. We were able 368 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 5: to survey some of the tunnels that they have found. 369 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 5: We were able to survey some of the old fighting 370 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 5: positions and even some of the some of the homes 371 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 5: that continue to stand, and really get a good glimpse 372 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 5: of what the Israeli defense forces are dealing with. And 373 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 5: then we cap that off today from a lot of 374 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 5: this tactical evaluation to really hearing straight from the sources, 375 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 5: both with the Minister Defense and Prime Minister net Nyahu 376 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 5: on where they see going forward and what their strategies 377 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 5: are to defeat Hamas once and for all. 378 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: Jeff, I'm going to be over there in December, and 379 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: I think I'm going to see much of what you 380 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 3: are seeing now. When you see what Hamas is still 381 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: doing in terms of holding hostages and certainly executing hostages, 382 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 3: six of them, including an American, is it even more 383 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: unbelievable to you that there is any suggestion that Israel 384 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: should cease fire or stop what they're doing to try 385 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: to get their people back and also protect them from 386 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: another October seventh ever happening again. 387 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 5: It's it's mind boggling that anyone thinks that that is 388 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 5: a realistic option. You know. Part of the defenses, and 389 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 5: you know, when you look at the success that Hamas 390 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 5: had on October seventh, part of that was the expectation 391 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 5: that they just wouldn't do something so barbaric, you know, 392 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 5: that the world would turn their back on something this medieval, 393 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: and the world supported Israel in a very very short time. 394 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 5: And then the information operations campaign that Hamas and has 395 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 5: Balond the other proxies and through Iran was able to 396 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 5: twist this story. So the barbarism was even at a 397 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 5: higher level than I was aware of. It's so complicated 398 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 5: on how they're continuing to fight. So really the primary 399 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 5: focus has been to defeat Hamas as an army. We 400 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 5: call about we talk about Hamas as a terror organization, 401 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: but it was actually a terror army and it is 402 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 5: almost decimated. There is there is about a thousand Hamas 403 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 5: left that they can that they think exists. Probably half 404 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 5: of them have already escaped God, so they're really down 405 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 5: to just tiny pockets of resistance and they're continuing to 406 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 5: search for these hostages, but it's always been a race 407 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 5: for time. But it really is an untenable even discussion 408 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: to give up the Philadelphia Corridor because the hundreds and 409 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 5: hundreds of tunnels, the size, the scale and the scope 410 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 5: of them. There's no question how Hamas aren't There's no 411 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 5: question where they got their munitions. It was all coming 412 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 5: in through Egypt, and that is the single line of 413 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 5: defense that Israel has to control. 414 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of Jeff Tigue's former Special Operations Community, and he's 415 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: part of this delegation of military experts, this panel that 416 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: has been meeting with the highest levels of the Israeli government, 417 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: and he was just in Gaza yesterday telling us about 418 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: the Philadelphi Corridor and what he saw there in terms 419 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: of the tunnel networks. Jeff, how much? And I know 420 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: you know you spoke to net Yahoo, you spoke to 421 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: the Defense Minister. So to the degree you can let 422 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: us in on some of the high level there, please do. 423 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: I know you probably have to respect some confidentiality equities 424 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: as well, but to whatever degree you can tell us 425 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: about their vision of where this is going next, or 426 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: even just what you see as the final stages of 427 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: this war against Hamas that was kicked off with their 428 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: mass casualty terror attack on October seventh. 429 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 5: Yes, and I think ironically, Buck, you know, one of 430 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 5: the only criticism we had to share with Israel is 431 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 5: that they're losing the IO campaign. Yes, there were mistakes 432 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 5: that were made as far as the early warning and 433 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 5: how far Hamasu it was able to advance with their 434 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 5: terror attack, But they've got to be more open with 435 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 5: the public and the press, and so hopefully you'll be 436 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: getting some calls yourself for them to talk to you 437 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 5: about this in person. But they recognize that this is 438 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 5: the first year of probably a ten year war and 439 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 5: they're trying to limit the front. So right now they're 440 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 5: being threatened out of God's that they're being threatened by 441 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 5: the Woi's in the south, they're being threatened by heads 442 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 5: belond the north, they're surrounded by Syria, They're continuing to 443 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 5: be rocketed by Iran. 444 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 2: You know. 445 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 5: Lebanon is you know, trying to play both sides. So 446 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 5: they've got a multifront war and they're trying to take 447 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 5: it piece by piece. They don't want to have a 448 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 5: multifront war, so they're trying to prioritize what it is 449 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 5: they're doing. But obviously, like you know, to defeat Hamas 450 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: and recover the hostages is sometimes at loggerheads, and that's 451 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 5: what they're trying to deal with. So they're in this 452 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: for the long haul. They're really trying to find answers 453 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 5: on what happens with the day after, but there are 454 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 5: very very few good solutions. 455 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 3: Jeff, is it fair to say that Hamas is desperately 456 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: rooting for Kamala Harris to win this race? 457 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: You know, I hate to say this, but I'm going 458 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 5: to have to admit the answer is yes. You know, 459 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 5: I'm not a politician. I'm a soldier. I'm aware of politics, 460 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 5: and as a civilian i'm involved in it. But you know, 461 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 5: having been over here and really talk to folks and 462 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 5: watch the degradation from some of these other administrations on 463 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 5: how we've really cooled relations with Israel, we've begun to 464 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 5: be real critical of Israel. You know, one of these 465 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 5: pivotal reasons that Hamas attacked when it did was because 466 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 5: they saw Israel as weak, They saw the West as weak, 467 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 5: they saw our ties and tenuous. And this wasn't just 468 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: initially designed to be a terror attack that was stopped. 469 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 5: These Hamas fighters had plans and maps and logistical support 470 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 5: to be in Israel over a month and to get 471 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 5: all the way to Tel Aviv, and they thought if 472 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 5: they could get an encroachment into Israel and just wreak 473 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 5: enough havoc. They were expecting has a Lot to attack 474 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: from the north. They were expecting Iran to jump in. 475 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 5: They were expecting Juday and Sumaria, which we call the 476 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 5: West Bank, to be internal fires. So while there was 477 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 5: some incredible military terror successes by Jimas's there was, this 478 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 5: did not become a regional conflict. We have got to 479 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 5: continue to demonstrate our stalwart support for Israel, and they're 480 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 5: really feeling the strain, and they've been feeling the strain 481 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 5: on a bunch of these latest administrations. 482 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: What's your tactical sense, Jeff, of the ability to bring 483 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: home any of the remaining hostages. 484 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 5: You know, I'll answer. You know. One of the reasons 485 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 5: I'm here, Buck is because throughout my career I spent 486 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 5: a lot of time in Israel exchanging ideas and techniques 487 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 5: and tactics and even information and intelligence, and we tried 488 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 5: to learn from each other on what we were doing 489 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 5: and how we were successful in different arenas, And I 490 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 5: couldn't be more impressed and proud with this with this 491 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 5: very young defense force, on how they are working combined 492 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 5: arms maneuver, how how they are integrating what they're doing 493 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 5: above ground and below ground, and the learning curve that 494 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 5: that they've that created over the last few months. But 495 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 5: I think people believe there are there are one hundred 496 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 5: one messages still missing. We believe that there's probably less 497 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 5: than half of them still alive. And every day that 498 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 5: goes by, it becomes more and more risky. So the 499 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 5: IDF day and night are continuing to clear these tunnels. 500 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 5: And one thing I'll add that I thought found interesting. 501 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 5: You know what these tunnels I learned yesterday. These tunnels 502 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 5: weren't made for fighting. They were made for survival and 503 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 5: logistics and movement. So once you understand how to occupy 504 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 5: those tunnels, the movement goes fast. Now hamas is learning 505 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: as well. So as as these tunnels were first beating 506 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 5: the IDF, the IDF figured out how to solve that problem. 507 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 5: But now there's this pivot where the remaining hamas are 508 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 5: starting to make these tunnels booby trapped and rigged to 509 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 5: blow with cameras, so it's slowed down the movement again, 510 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 5: and it's very, very risky inside these tunnels as they've 511 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 5: been created over the last twenty years, includes cages and 512 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 5: jail cells for these hostages in secret hiding places to 513 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: put them. So every day that goes by, it becomes 514 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 5: less and less likely that we'll be able to save 515 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 5: more of these sausages. But it is firmly in my 516 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 5: opinion that the IDF is doing everything they can at 517 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 5: a very high professional level, to do with the best 518 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 5: that they can. 519 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: Jeff, do we have any idea what percentage of the 520 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: tunnel network has been uncovered discovered in any way by 521 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 3: the IDF yet, or do they even have a sense 522 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: for how much there is underground at this point? 523 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 5: It's absolutely staggering. So some of the numbers that I 524 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 5: have in front of me that I wrote down was 525 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 5: over eighteen hundred underground shafts have been destroyed. So you know, 526 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 5: they destroy some of the shafts and then they'll enter 527 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 5: through some of these shafts and begin to clear these tunnels. 528 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 5: The one division that we were attached to yesterday, over 529 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: the last few months they've cleared over two thousand kilometers 530 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 5: of tunnels under Gaza, and they're drilling endlessly to try 531 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 5: to identify more of these tunnels. And the morning that 532 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 5: we went into Rafa yesterday, they had pumped into a 533 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: new tunnel last night and they were just clearing it today. 534 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 5: So the tunnel network is vast. I think they're believing 535 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 5: that they have about eighty percent of the tunnels mapped, 536 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 5: not necessarily that they've been inspected, but that they have 537 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 5: about eighty percent mapped, and they're just trying to take 538 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 5: it systematically. And I don't think it comes as any surprise, 539 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 5: but when you see it with your own eyesbuck, every 540 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 5: single tunnel that we went to look at terminated in kindergarten, 541 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 5: a mosque, in a hospital. It was absolutely their standard 542 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 5: operating procedure. And the other thing that was kind of 543 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 5: weird that you don't think about is these tunnels also 544 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 5: terminated right in the homes of these hamas leaders. So 545 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 5: just like you and I would get up in the 546 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 5: morning and have our morning coffee and maybe you walk 547 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 5: over to the home office, these guys were walking straight 548 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 5: from their homes down into these tunnels and going straight 549 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 5: to work. The network is amazing and it just can't 550 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: happen again. We gave them in two thousand and five 551 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 5: free autonomy to do whatever it is they wanted to do. 552 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 5: In Gaza, they decided to purge it of Fatah and 553 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 5: any any you know, reasonable group of from the Palestinian authority. 554 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 5: And for twenty years they've been systematically with one thing 555 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 5: in mind, and that was the October seventh barbarism. And Jeff, this. 556 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: Is what I have to ask you real quick, I'm 557 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: just well, look on a minute. I mean, you went 558 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: muzzle to muzzle sure with al Qaeda, with that, you know, 559 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: with the bad guys of the war on terror. Is 560 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: the evil that you have seen from Hamas by being 561 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: there and seeing the tunnels and seeing the videos reminiscent 562 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: of what you saw with AQI and these other groups. 563 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 5: This this is the purest evil I've ever seen. I mean, 564 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 5: these these these Amas terrorists went in and it was 565 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 5: just wholesale murder. They slaughtered families, men, women, children, the 566 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 5: old and the videos that we watch buck they're gleeful, 567 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 5: they're singing, they're dancing, they're calling home telling their mom 568 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 5: and dad what they had just done with killing these 569 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 5: dogs or killing these pigs. So that the combination of 570 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 5: the glee and the just the free for all fun 571 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 5: that these terrorists were having, and the barbers of the blood, 572 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 5: the beheading, the rapes, when you actually see it, the 573 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: live videos that they had on their body cams, it's 574 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like it. 575 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: Jeff, honestly can't thank you enough for your service to 576 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: our country for decades and also today for bringing this 577 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: ground truth to all of us about this war that 578 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: Israel is waging against the Hamas terrorists. Thank you for 579 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: being with us. It's always good to talk to you, 580 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: my friend. 581 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do 582 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 4: a lot of it the Sunday Hang Join Clay and 583 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 4: Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and 584 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you 585 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 4: get your podcasts. 586 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. 587 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: Jeff. 588 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: T's amazing they're taking us into Israel the tunnels. I 589 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 3: imagine in December when I am over there doing a 590 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: week of shows that we will see some of these places. 591 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: But for a guy like that Buck to say this 592 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: is the most profound evil he's ever seen. He's seen 593 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 3: a lot of bad stuff, and for him on the 594 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 3: ground in Israel to describe what he is seeing again 595 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: as the most evil that he has ever seen in 596 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: his life. I think really brings home how absurd it 597 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: is that substantial portions of America, including lots of people 598 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 3: on the left, lots of people on college campuses right now, 599 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 3: are demanding that Israel stop right now defending itself and 600 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 3: trying to rescue and save the hostages that are still there. 601 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's obvious. Look, I've had a 602 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: lot of people. I live in Miami Beach. We have 603 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: a thriving Jewish community down here, and I will say 604 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: it's been very gratifying that I've had people who just 605 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: listening to the show come up to me on the 606 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: street here. Most of the listeners who come up to 607 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: Miami Beach are Jewish. It's interesting. When I lived in 608 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: Miami or sort of Miami City, it was more Latin listeners. 609 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: But I've you know, Jewish listeners, although they're Jewish Latin 610 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: people too, But anyway, they come up me and they 611 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: just say, I really appreciate you and Clay being so 612 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: both forceful and consistent on this issue, because they all 613 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: they all knew. They knew that Biden as soon as 614 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: the politics started to change, that moral clarity would would evaporate. 615 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: So that's that's what has happened, because it was just 616 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: about political positioning for the Democrats the whole time, whereas 617 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: a lot of us on the right. By the way, 618 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: some of these are Democrats who have come up and 619 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: they tell me that Democrats who say, I appreciate you 620 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: being on the side of the righteous when it comes 621 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: to this whole fight against Hamas clayd. I also wanted 622 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: to note just one of our sponsors here. 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