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Speaker 2: She takes coo when the news gets weird and back

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Speaker 2: with us this week.

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Speaker 1: Is my regular co host. I'm Mary Kavin.

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Speaker 3: You I'm Carol Markowitz. It is so nice to be back.

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Speaker 3: Although I will say the guest hosts did a fantastic job,

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Speaker 3: really amazing, so well done. Thank you to them both

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Speaker 3: for filling in. I really enjoyed all four episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were much appreciated, guys, and wonderful job.

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Speaker 1: A ray of sunshine.

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Speaker 2: But it's so nice to have you back after you

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Speaker 3: Paris was actually very cold, and you should feel sorry

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Speaker 3: But I was there because my middle son was in

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Speaker 1: It feels like a lot, maybe it should end. We

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of points, a lot of Now. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is like a little bit of a Tea party dynamic,

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Speaker 1: where it's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of their own voters are mad at them,

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Speaker 2: and we will and we will see what kind of

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Speaker 2: behavior that incentivizes as they go forward. One of the

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Speaker 2: things that I think is incentivized is fighting at all costs,

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Speaker 2: even when fighting doesn't accomplish anything and actually looks pretty lame.

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Speaker 2: So in this case, we have a redistricting fight in Texas.

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Speaker 2: For those of you who aren't in regular politics, redistrict

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Speaker 2: fights happen for equently. This is not a new thing.

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Speaker 2: The Texas Legislature gets to vote on this. Republicans have

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Speaker 2: drawn a map that gives them more seats in the Congress,

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Speaker 2: which is the custom.

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Speaker 1: When you are in charge and you are able to

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: It is not hugely out of proportion with the amount

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Speaker 2: that they generally win by in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, they're Democratic colleagues.

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Speaker 2: In order to thwart this attempt at redistricting, have fled

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Speaker 2: the state, and they because they're so mad about the

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Speaker 2: gerrymandering that is happening here geral and they're so mad

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Speaker 2: about the jerrymandering because they're very principled on this that

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Speaker 2: they went to Illinois, where.

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Speaker 1: There's no or there's like the most jerrymandering.

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Speaker 2: Like could anybody have just just said, like is there

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Speaker 2: another state we could flee to?

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Speaker 1: Right, So they're in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Javi Pritzker flew there on a private so they could

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Speaker 2: not do their jobs in the Texas legislature. I hate

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Speaker 2: this tactic, and if Republicans did it, I would tell

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Speaker 2: them to go back home and take their l You

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Speaker 2: these elections have consequences.

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Speaker 1: Fight the good fight and take your light.

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Speaker 2: And they Democrats repeatedly refuse to do this.

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Speaker 3: There have been Yeah, I was gonna say, Texas Democrats

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Speaker 3: just keep doing this. Why do they think this is

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Speaker 3: going to work?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, They've done this over and over again.

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Speaker 2: There's also the Wisconsin Senate in twenty eleven fighting Governor

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Speaker 2: Scott Walker. There's an Indiana House incident. But the Texas

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Speaker 2: Democrats do like to flee. They did it in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and three. Apparently they did it in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one or twenty three. It's like all the time they're

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Speaker 2: just leaving the state. And I just think you owe

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Speaker 2: your voters better than this.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: Republicans have pulled this ever. I read one story about

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Speaker 2: an Oregon vote where they had invented this and don't

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Speaker 2: do it don't right, it's embarrassing, you look lame.

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Speaker 1: You should go do your job exactly.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom said this is what fighting for our democracy

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Speaker 3: looks like, and Ag Hamilton on X was like legislators

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Speaker 3: fleeing a state because they don't have sufficient votes to

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Speaker 3: stop a change. Is a lot of things, but it

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Speaker 3: is most definitely not fighting for democracy.

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Speaker 1: It's the opposite of democracy.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to note that The New York

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Speaker 2: Times writes this hilarious piece entitled Democrats have few tools

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Speaker 2: to counter gop redistricting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you want another reason they have few tools? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: States where Democrats would have complete control over any redistricting,

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Speaker 2: such as Illinois and Maryland, are already gerrymandered heavily in

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Speaker 2: their favor. Squeezing more democratic seats out of those states

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Speaker 2: would be a challenge, right, Like they're just max you know,

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Speaker 2: they're they're always it's this thing that democrats always do

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Speaker 2: where they're like, we're going to start doing this. If

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Speaker 2: you do it, it's like you've already done it. You've

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Speaker 2: already maxed, You've you've been doing it. Yeah, what's the

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Speaker 2: term they use in in bro podcast? You have Jerrymander

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Speaker 2: maxed like, you're you're good. You've spent generations doing this

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Speaker 2: and you can't squeeze anything else out of it.

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Speaker 3: So, uh that Democrats did this week? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think we have no. No, that's not the only one.

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Speaker 2: And I will say real quickly that the governor has

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Speaker 2: has threatened them with all sorts of sanctions should they

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Speaker 2: not come back to do their jobs. They have not

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Speaker 2: come back to do their jobs. So that is in

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Speaker 2: limbo at the moment. Okay, the other one, oh, the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, Oh gosh, New York Times just really

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Speaker 2: wants to keep us in business.

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Speaker 3: They're like, what do the normally girls want to talk

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Speaker 3: about this week? And then they just provide us with

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Speaker 3: the fodder.

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Speaker 1: Just delivering us a gift.

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Speaker 2: So the President of the United States, President Trump, announced

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Speaker 2: that they will reinstate.

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Speaker 1: The Presidential Fitness Test.

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Speaker 2: This is the physical fitness test that you used to

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Speaker 2: take in physical education class. It consisted of a mile run,

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Speaker 2: a shuttle run, the sit in reach and the pull

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Speaker 2: ups I think that was about and the crunches. So

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Speaker 2: he reinstates this. He does a little ceremony. This is

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Speaker 2: like mostly non controversial, right, but not at the New

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Speaker 2: York Times in the newsroom.

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Speaker 3: Are unhappy.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead?

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Speaker 3: Is right wing coded that an article?

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Speaker 1: This is it?

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Speaker 2: So here's the headline over a picture of a like

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Speaker 2: sweet struggling child hanging at a pull up bar for

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Speaker 2: some return of presidential fitness tests revives painful memories. Generations

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Speaker 2: of Americans who struggle to complete a pull up in

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Speaker 2: front of their classmates winced as President Trump announced that

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Speaker 2: he was reinstating the annual assessment. It goes on to

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Speaker 2: give us like twenty pair of of various people's bad

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Speaker 2: experiences in elementary school with the presidential physical fitness test.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say, do they need someone

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Speaker 2: more trauma informed.

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Speaker 1: In the New York Times newsroom?

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Speaker 2: So like you can just work through this as an adult,

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Speaker 2: because you are allegedly adults.

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Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed for you, right.

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Speaker 3: Josh Barrow commented about the Times article, liberals need to

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Speaker 3: stop doing identity politics for losers, Which that's all I

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Speaker 3: think anyone is saying, like, just stop hating everything so much.

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Speaker 1: Just so lame. Speaking of blame.

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Speaker 2: When they switched it, Obama, of course, was the first

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Speaker 2: to change it from the traditional test to this, and

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Speaker 2: I had totally missed this in all of Obama's lameness.

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Speaker 2: When mister Obama abolished the test, he replaced it with

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Speaker 2: the Fitness Gram, a program that emphasized overall student health goals,

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Speaker 2: setting and personal progress, not beating your classmates on the

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Speaker 2: track or the pull up bar boo boo to that.

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Speaker 1: I hate it.

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Speaker 3: Is so much, it's amazing, go ahead, point this. He

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Speaker 3: said that the press focuses on the beneficiaries of Democrat

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Speaker 3: policies and the victims of Republican policies. So if it

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Speaker 3: were a Democrat who was doing this, who was bringing

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Speaker 3: back this fitness test, it would be portrayed as this

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Speaker 3: amazing thing to get kids in shape and you know,

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we don't have a staggering number

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Speaker 3: of obese kids and all of that. It would be

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Speaker 3: seen as a win for American children, which it is.

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Speaker 3: So you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the people in this article are quoted as calling

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Speaker 2: it a giant step backwards, and one person described it

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Speaker 2: as her experience as it was survivor fails.

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Speaker 1: She said it was Darwinist.

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Speaker 2: And then one physical education teacher says, it really breaks

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Speaker 2: my heart that it's coming back if our mission is

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Speaker 2: to help kids love being physically active and love moving,

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Speaker 2: we have to do more than testing them in ways

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Speaker 2: in which the majority are going to fail and they're

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Speaker 2: going to feel ashamed and they're not going to like

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Speaker 2: physical education. Okay, here's the thought. We're setting a goal

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Speaker 2: for you, you have some time to work up to it.

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Speaker 2: How about we all do that. How about we all work.

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Speaker 1: On that together.

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Speaker 2: And I do have to cup to This was not

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Speaker 2: my particular form of public humiliation as a child.

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Speaker 1: Nobody enjoyed it, but fun well, like, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: I actually am the one who enjoyed it. Right, so

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Speaker 2: I'm the weird now one. I'm the weirdo on this one.

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Speaker 2: But my point is I faced all other sorts of

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Speaker 2: public humiliation in school growing up, Like that's part of

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Speaker 2: the deal, right, This was not my particular kind, but

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Speaker 2: like every challenge in these settings is going to be tough.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to be tested in various ways as you

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Speaker 2: grow up. And the idea that the people who run

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Speaker 2: elite institutions in this country are the people who haven't

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Speaker 2: worked through through this is gross to me.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, y'all are lame and you should be laughed out

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Speaker 1: by Josh Barrow. You should be.

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Speaker 3: I didn't love it. I am not sporty or athletic

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Speaker 3: in any way, but look, I want you know, I

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Speaker 3: did it. I want my kids to do it. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a good thing to be physically fit.

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Speaker 1: Sending a message that like, this is something we value.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, it is sending that message, and I like

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Speaker 3: that message being sent.

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Speaker 1: Democrats by the stuff I.

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Speaker 3: Do, herds who we push into lockers, you know, I know.

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Speaker 2: It's like I feel like this kind of thing makes

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Speaker 2: me meaner than I would otherwise be.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't with this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will cop to the fact that I

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Speaker 2: was like thirty nine and a half pounds and I

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Speaker 2: was like, you need eleven pull ups.

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Speaker 1: I got you. I got you. Now I don't weigh

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Speaker 1: thirty nine and a half pounds, so I can't do that.

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Speaker 3: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get

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Speaker 3: in touch with us at normally theepod at gmail dot com.

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