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Speaker 1: It is Wednesay, October twenty third, twenty nineteen, season fifteen,

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Speaker 1: in episode number seventy. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. We are alive from the s WBC Mortgage Studios.

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Speaker 1: At the start, it is our final show of the week.

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Speaker 1: There will not be a Break tomorrow or Friday or Monday.

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Speaker 1: There will be a joint show though tomorrow, so you

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Speaker 1: guys stay tuned for that. Actually, it's gonna be really excited.

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Speaker 1: It's really exciting. I'm looking forward to hearing that Nick

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Speaker 1: will be on with Brian and Jesse and Nate and

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Speaker 1: Shannon's gonna host it. So there's gonna be a ton

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Speaker 1: of opinions. Sometimes they have enough powder keg. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they have enough microphones to go around

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Speaker 1: for those guys, but it will be interesting listening. So

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Speaker 1: makes you check that out. Today, though, before we get

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Speaker 1: out of here for the week, we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about expectations. Yesterday we talked about the offense.

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Speaker 1: We went down through the entire offensive roster of the

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Speaker 1: guys at play and gave you our opinions as far

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Speaker 1: as where we expected them to be and where they

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Speaker 1: are after seven weeks into the season. We'll do the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing today on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: and uh and just kind of get this whole thing rolling.

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Speaker 1: One thing I didn't get to yesterday, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask real quick before we get into the defense, was just,

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Speaker 1: overall for the offense, where do you guys think they are?

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Speaker 1: Are they at expectations, above expectations or below expectations? Nice

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Speaker 1: little debt. I don't know everybody's thinking. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how to I know how to answer that, because like this,

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Speaker 1: this team should be better than four and three. Okay,

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Speaker 1: take me, let's let's tip. Let's break you down a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Take me back to m August August. What

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Speaker 1: did you think this offense would be? Running, passing? What

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Speaker 1: has been what you thought he'd be, Cooper's on his grind.

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Speaker 1: They're scoring a lot of points for the most part,

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Speaker 1: with the one exception being New Orleans, and you're seeing

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Speaker 1: the elements from Kellen Moore that we thought we would

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Speaker 1: has he been above at or below expectations? At expectations? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Really he's been a really good player. He's been very active.

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Speaker 1: I really do think he's played well below expectation. One

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Speaker 1: Like that's clearly not true. But you signed a one

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Robert Quinn at above or below expectations

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Speaker 1: definite so far above which I mean you said yesterday

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Speaker 1: you kind of expect some sort of drop off. Well,

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Speaker 1: So the Dolphins thought it, the Cowboys thought it. Still

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Speaker 1: paid him eight million a year, but he's on pace

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Speaker 1: so especially with this you know medical staff, that typically

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. So when he was they were very cautious

428
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Speaker 1: with him. He came back, he did well in the

429
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Speaker 1: first two games, and then all of a sudden, he

430
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Speaker 1: just couldn't play anymore. I think I think he played.

431
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Speaker 1: I think he played three. To answer your great game, Yeah,

432
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: they've missed him big time because you're saying all these

433
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Speaker 1: double teams on the outside, who's given the push on

434
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Speaker 1: the inside. When you consider that that he's missed those

435
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: to all those games, Antoine Woods missed a lot of games.

436
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Speaker 1: Do you give any any deference to that when it

437
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: comes to the defensive tackle position, and make you think

438
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: that maybe you'll see if they can get some consistency

439
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: with these four guys staying in the lineup, that they

440
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: can be better here in the second half of the season. Sure, yeah,

441
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a healthy eight man rotation.

442
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, yeah, you could rotate at times,

443
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that it's a it's a all

444
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Speaker 1: just put another guy in there. I think there's a

445
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Speaker 1: huge drop off, especially there at the tackle position from

446
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: starters to backups, particularly Covington or or Tristan Hill, well

447
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: both really all of them, I mean, because they don't

448
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: give pass rush like Crawford could give you. I mean,

449
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods is gonna eat up blocks, but he's not

450
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: really getting a lot of rush. Do you expect if

451
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Speaker 1: that's the case, that you could see a guy like

452
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Speaker 1: Hider and maybe they even decide at some point on

453
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Speaker 1: certain downs to push Tank down and have him playing

454
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Speaker 1: at tackle just to get a little more push up

455
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Speaker 1: the middle. He's done that at times. I mean I

456
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Speaker 1: don't like it. I actually I love it when colleges

457
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: do that, Like they'll move guys to you know, basically

458
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Speaker 1: play with four ends. I mean, I wouldn't want to

459
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: see it all the time, but like, if you could

460
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Speaker 1: find a way to get Hyder and Tank on the

461
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Speaker 1: field at the same time together instead of rotating them,

462
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Speaker 1: that'd be fine with me. Maybe like a Nickel situation.

463
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you think that a Dorance Armstrong lests say,

464
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Speaker 1: is giving you a little something, and you want to

465
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Speaker 1: put him at defensive end in passing in rush downs

466
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Speaker 1: and him slide Tank down and and maybe have Hyder

467
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Speaker 1: at the other tackle. Now you got four guys that

468
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Speaker 1: can get after the passer on a rushing down, on

469
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: a passing down. Weel like you might be able to

470
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: really get some push at all four of those positions. Right.

471
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Speaker 1: I don't like that because I don't like, you don't

472
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Speaker 1: have an elite player anywhere, because you're you're calling an

473
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Speaker 1: elite pass rusher now just a tackle and I don't like.

474
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's I think you're paying him to

475
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Speaker 1: be an elite rusher. I would rather just give me

476
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Speaker 1: the best tackle I can have as opposed to Armstrong

477
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Speaker 1: at the edge. But don't the best pass rushers in

478
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Speaker 1: this league do that? Like you look at the way

479
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: that they use a you know, um, Aaron Donald, the

480
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: way they use Khalil mac Like, Oh, they'll move those

481
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Speaker 1: guys around and put them in different spots in order

482
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Speaker 1: to take advantage of particular matchups. Right, And you don't

483
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Speaker 1: think he's that ye be paid like that? Oh, but

484
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Speaker 1: you've just been saying. If you're gonna pay him like that,

485
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: you gotta go at least but make him an elite

486
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Speaker 1: rusher though I don't think he's capable. I think I

487
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: think you put him over a garden center where they

488
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Speaker 1: can get double teams. I don't think DeMarcus is that

489
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Speaker 1: type of player. I think he needs to be on

490
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Speaker 1: the edge. That's where he he's good at. I don't

491
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Speaker 1: think he is the dynamic. I don't think he's on

492
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Speaker 1: the cover of Madden type of player. I don't that's

493
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Speaker 1: I think he's a great pass rusher, but I don't

494
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't just put him on the inside to go.

495
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: He's that much better than a center in a guard

496
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Speaker 1: I think they can they can neutralize him in them

497
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Speaker 1: in the center. They well, they're neutralizing him on the outside,

498
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: So move them around. Make it at least make it

499
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: to where something they have to adjust to, right, and

500
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: the something they gotta think about. Maybe they miss something

501
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: in doing so. Maybe I'll take the cop out answer

502
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: and just say it doesn't sound like something coaching stamon mean,

503
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Speaker 1: is it fun? Yes, then they probably won't do it. Yeah,

504
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: all right, I was gonna say. I was just gonna

505
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: say that it's crazy when you remember how much we

506
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: talked about in praise about this team having so much

507
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: depth everywhere on the team basically except for like maybe

508
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Speaker 1: one position, but other than that, they had all these

509
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: great death and all these young guys are looking so great,

510
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: so much potential, and then all of a sudden it

511
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: doesn't reflect on what they really have on to feel,

512
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: aside from those veteran guys when they are producing, the

513
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: backup guys are not mirror their level at all. Yeah,

514
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: and I do wonder if this defense, as time goes on,

515
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: as guys are more healthy, as they've played a little

516
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Speaker 1: bit more together, if this defense will get better, because

517
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Speaker 1: I just don't have a hard time believing what they

518
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: put up last year was just a farce. I think

519
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: that I think they can get back to that. I

520
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: just don't know what they got to do to get

521
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Speaker 1: back to that. And we'll see over the second half

522
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Speaker 1: of the year if they really can't find what they

523
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: were last year. Let's move on to the linebacker position.

524
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Speaker 1: You got Jalen Smith, Layton vander esh Shaan Lee, Joe Thomas.

525
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: Where have those guys performed according to expectations below all

526
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: across the board? No, well, Sean Lee and Joe Thomas

527
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: have been great. I mean, Joe Thomas started rotating in

528
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: you know and getting starter type snaps as quickly as

529
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Speaker 1: like week two, and Sean Lee played great the other nights.

530
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: He's made good use of his snaps. But what are

531
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Speaker 1: we really saying, like the first round pick and the

532
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: facto first round pick just got an extension, the wolf hunter,

533
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: the predator whatever, all that good stuff, like not enough

534
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: howling and not enough swiping. They were supposed to be

535
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: and they still could be. They still could be. But

536
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: like the narrative is that they are the two young

537
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: studs that are going to shape this defense for the

538
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: foreseeable future, and it hasn't been that. It just hasn't again,

539
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, just like I said with Tank just now,

540
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: though like they played their best, their most recent game

541
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: was their best game. Layton was playing great before he

542
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: got hurt. Doesn't sound like his injuries going to sideline

543
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: for too long. I thought Jalen was outstanding against the Eagles.

544
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: I tweeted it out before the show. You know, he

545
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: had to play in pass coverage early on in that game.

546
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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm the one I'm talking about. If

547
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: you watch it on ALL twenty two, it's even more

548
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: impressive because he carries the running back to the opposite

549
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: side of the field, diagnoses what's going on, races back

550
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: to the middle, and just drapes himself. I think it's

551
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: arts and he just breaks and I mean cleanly, no

552
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: penalty breaks it up. Fantastic stuff. That's what got them

553
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: the reputations that they have. They're athletic enough to do

554
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. They just haven't been doing it

555
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: consistently the first seven weeks. Yeah. I thought one thing

556
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: that was interesting to me in the Eagles game, and

557
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: I think it was probably a function of Anthony Brown

558
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: being out, but they stayed in their base defense a lot,

559
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: even when early in the game when the Eagles were

560
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: going three wide, they still stay in their base defense

561
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and had all three of those linebackers on the field,

562
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: which forced the linebackers into coverage probably a lot more

563
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: than they would normally be and I thought they handled

564
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: extremely well. But again that may have just been a

565
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: function of Anthony Brown being out and they felt like

566
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: with Anthony out they needed to not go to Nickel

567
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: as often as they may normally do that. But I

568
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: thought it was they worked for them in this game.

569
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I just think that overall though, yeah, it worked, but

570
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: I think that we expected more plays from that position,

571
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: and you know, those catalytic type of plays and new

572
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: contract or not. It doesn't really matter about about the

573
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: new contract. I mean, I don't know fans are expecting that.

574
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: But still even before that, I think we would have

575
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: thought that they would have taken that next step as

576
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: those linebacking doo and it really hasn't happened. They haven't

577
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: been terrible, but they haven't been as they haven't taken

578
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: the step that we thought they would. But I will

579
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: say this, it doesn't concern me in the long run,

580
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: and I don't say this to too my own horn,

581
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: but like you can go back and find podcasts and

582
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: stories where like this is at least something that we

583
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: speculated about, Like sophomore slums happened everybody. It's not just

584
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: a quarterback thing. You give offensive coordinators a year of

585
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: film to figure out what you don't do well, like whatever.

586
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: You know, people have talked about Jalen's movement and I

587
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: think he's fine, but like you can pinpoint things that

588
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't do well, like handling receivers in space. It's

589
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: been a problem for him this year, and you know,

590
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: you design concepts like that to take advantage of what

591
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't do well. Couple with you know, maybe I

592
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to call it false confidence,

593
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: but you know, howling and swiping, that's a big part

594
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: of their persona. Maybe maybe got a little ahead of

595
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: themselves in terms of where they actually are as players

596
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: because they're still both so young. But I don't like,

597
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't worry about them in the long run because

598
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: they have the athleticism and the mental makeup to be great.

599
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: So I view it more as a stumbling block than like,

600
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, or the linebackers actually bad. No, it's

601
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: just growing pains that go along with this and the

602
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: coaching aspect of it. It's a good point because you

603
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: look at what the Cowboys were able to do offensively

604
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen and how successful they were, and then

605
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: the next year you saw a drop off and notice

606
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: how other teams were able to attack them and adjust

607
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: to that. So maybe same thing applies here when it

608
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: comes to the defense. Very rarely does anybody's development just

609
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: go in a straight line ever, Like it just doesn't happen.

610
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be ups and downs along the way.

611
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: I think I think they're fine. They've shown they've had moments.

612
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: They both played great against the Eagles. Hopefully again that's

613
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,600
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662
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Speaker 1: jump right back in. Let's get to the secondary. Got

663
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: cornerback position Byron Jones Cheetobeyo Woozier and then you got

664
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown Jordan Lewis. What do you think of the

665
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: cornerback position? I think, um, Byron Jones as pretty match

666
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: met expectations. Um, maybe even exceeded him winning because he

667
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: was banged up. But he's played like I thought he would,

668
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: not getting interceptions, but not giving up a lot of

669
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: big plays. That's kind of wey did last year. And

670
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: he's been pretty good. Um, I'll say met expectations for him.

671
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Let you guys handle the rest. I agree, you take

672
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: the easy one. I agree met for buying. I mean

673
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's kind of impressive. He has been as

674
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: good as he has without a training camp basically, and

675
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't get he doesn't get picks, but

676
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: he never has so cheeto below what we saw at

677
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: training camp. But maybe that's our fault for buying buying

678
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: the hype to my I mean, well, but even at that,

679
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: I still think that I don't think he's just training camp.

680
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: I think even if you compare his play this year

681
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: to last year, I think he's probably below the expectations

682
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: you would have had coming off of last year, right

683
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: you think. I think so. I think he's right there

684
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: and honestly think he's about the same as he was,

685
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: Like it looks very similar. Like defenses pick on him

686
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: because they don't want to mess with Byron. He gives,

687
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: he gets, he gets more than he gives, Like he

688
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: gives up plays more than he makes him But his coverage,

689
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I'd say it all the time, like people get mad

690
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: at mean, like his coverage is always good. It always

691
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: seems like the throw is right where it needs to be,

692
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Like it's not like he's the most unlucky corner. I

693
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: will show you. I will show you a guy that's

694
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: a step and a half off coverage, you know, like

695
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I'll show you a guy that's beat, Like he's never beat,

696
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: he just doesn't make the play. I wish you know.

697
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: I've never coached or played dB in my life, but

698
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: like look back for the ball man, I just that

699
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: inn't that that's pretty normal dB one oh one it's

700
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: not because he runs twenty five miles an hour. Yeah, No,

701
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean his athleticism bails him out in a lot

702
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: of those situations. He's a hard a guy to get

703
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: away from, but his coverage is usually good. He doesn't

704
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: play the ball very well, he just doesn't. But he's

705
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: he's made He's made some plays. I mean he had

706
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: to pick in New Orleans. Nobody in the world wants

707
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: to give him credit for that play against DeVante Parker.

708
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: I think it was Parker. I mean like he raked

709
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: that ball out of his hand, he was beaten, came back,

710
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: broke up the touchdown, but it seemed like people like,

711
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, the guy dropped it and he was

712
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: beating I don't think so. Um still probably like just again,

713
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: he's a victim of his own success at training camp,

714
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: like he I think he looks exactly the same as

715
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: he did last year, but he looked so much better

716
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: at camp and it hasn't translated. So I would probably

717
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: say below Anthony Brown kind of is what he always

718
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: has been because I think him and Jordan would be

719
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: at expectations for me. Yeah, and I you know, and

720
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: I can hear people saying it. I hope. You know,

721
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: I hope we see some more playing time for Jordan

722
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: as we go amber If you agree, I'm asking, if

723
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: you agree that Byron Jones is at expectations, do you

724
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: think it's enough for you to be willing to give

725
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: him a big contract this offseason? Well, with everyone that

726
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: all these names, I would say they're right where I

727
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: thought there would be, with the exception of Byron, just

728
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: because of the kind of he was coming from and

729
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to be ready for

730
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Week one that was impressive. But as far as contract goes,

731
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I would want him to stay here.

732
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: But you know, don't ask me about money and contracts

733
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: because that's just a whole mess. How they figure out

734
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: where to divide their money and all that. Dave would

735
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: probably have a better answer for when it comes to

736
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: the cap money and blah blah blahy If for me,

737
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: if it was my choice, I would keep him keeping

738
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: whatever it takes keep him. I don't know about whatever

739
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: it takes. Let me know how much? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

740
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: for a fair price. Yes, I need the front office

741
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: to get these deals done with Dak and Amari because

742
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: I want a franchise. Byron Jones. That's what I would do.

743
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. How much My question would

744
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: be how much is how much is it going to

745
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: cost you? And I usually like to reserve the franchise

746
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: tech for guys that I'm not quite certain who they are.

747
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: I think they might be good, but I'm not quite sure.

748
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm willing to rent them for a year out of

749
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: the question. No, that's like Dak would be. Dak would

750
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: be an example of that kind of guy. If you're

751
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: just if you get through this year, you're still like,

752
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure if he's that guy yet, So

753
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I want one more year to rent him, even if

754
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm renting him at a premium, I'd rather rent one

755
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: more year just to see before I have to commit.

756
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I think that a Byron. I

757
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: think Byron is Byron, like either either he's enough for

758
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: you there or he's not exactly he is what he is.

759
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: That's why I'm franchising him, which I just looked it up.

760
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: It would cost you thirteen million to do that. I

761
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: think I have to hold my franchise for a Cooper.

762
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: No and that Well, so you say Cooper is the one,

763
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: you'd use him if you don't have it, what's your

764
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: first round pick? Lets you invest it all this in him.

765
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, I'm absolutely losing using the tag on

766
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: Cooper or Dak if they are unsigned. That's why they

767
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: need to get these deals done before it happens, so

768
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: you have it to use on Byron. My thing, I

769
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: think the world of Byron. He's a good dude. He's

770
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: great in coverage, He's an awesome player. He deserves to

771
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: get paid. I don't want to get of that kind

772
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: of money to a cornerback that doesn't get takeaways. Like

773
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: that's why that's valuable, you know what I mean? Why

774
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: not just go back to the because I need a

775
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: badass corner to be on the field for me while

776
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm drafting more. Because Cheeto and Jordan are in a

777
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: contract year. Next year, Anthony Brown is likely gone, we'll see,

778
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: we don't know, but he's a free agent as well.

779
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: So if you just let nobody else, if you basically

780
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: he's your bridge, he's your bridge plays that you get

781
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: to that guy. I franchise tag him with the intention

782
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: of drafting more cornerbacks, and so you got Cheeto and

783
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: Byron for another season. Next year, you can let Byron

784
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: go when his tag expires, and by then you'll have

785
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: more young corners against help you. And that sounds bad.

786
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds mean because I'm basically like, I'm

787
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: using Byron for one more year. But if I'm going

788
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: to pay that much money, it's you know, it's kind

789
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: of like the d law thing, like if you're gonna

790
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: pay that much to a pass rusher, he better be

791
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: doing stuff like Khalil Mack and giving you short fields

792
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: and stripping quarterbacks. And if I'm paying that much to

793
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: a cornerback, good coverage isn't good enough for me. Gilmore

794
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: and those guys they're making picks need I need picks.

795
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: I need picks six. But I keep wanting to hold

796
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: on to him just because, like, the Cowboys haven't really

797
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: had good corners and they've struggled at that position. And

798
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: it's until now that they finally have started to have

799
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: somewhat of success at the position. So when you talk

800
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: about Byron and letting him go in that aspect, I

801
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know. And then you see all these other guys

802
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: that we didn't expect the Cowboys to sign and they did.

803
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: You got Lyle Collins Jalen. They both signed. I'm sure

804
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: they've called and said you want again. We learned that

805
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: less in the hard way. Like I mean, maybe Byron

806
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: would agree to a deal that would work for everybody.

807
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't ye he is. He is. He's not forgotten

808
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: by us because we talk about everything, but like just

809
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: in terms of like I don't remember the last time

810
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Byron was asked about it, Like he's not. You know,

811
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Cooper and Dak get asked about this stuff every day,

812
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: even Jalen did to a degree, you know, he was

813
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: like whenever Jerry's ready to write the check, like he

814
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: would be asked about it if he stood in front

815
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: of his locker and every week, like he doesn't do that,

816
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Byron has. He seems to be making an effort to

817
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: not be in the limelight. Absolutely, um, But so he's

818
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: just sort of he's interesting. Yeah, does that shock you

819
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: at all? Not really, because he's never been that guy

820
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: like he's he's an understated quiet and then on top

821
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: of that, like you know, he probably he knows that

822
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: there's some uncertainty with his but I would say he

823
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: is a leader type guy. And that's where it does

824
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: shock me a little bit. I think he's a type

825
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: of guy that understands the importance of of leadership, and

826
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't I would think that you don't see that all.

827
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.

828
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: There's some people that are leaders, there's some that aren't.

829
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: I just don't see that necessarily out of him. Maybe

830
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: a guy that goes and works out all the time

831
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: and athletically and all that, but not his job. And

832
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying a raw rock guy. I'm saying a leader.

833
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Somebody understands the importance of the other guys in the

834
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: room looking to you to at the example. And that's

835
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily Rara. That's saying, here's what we need to

836
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: do as professionals. I think he's a very professional guy. Sure,

837
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: so if he's a very professional guy and he understands

838
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: the importance of leadership, then to me, he would be

839
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: that guy that's setting the example for those other young cornerbacks.

840
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: I mean, not to get in the weeds with like

841
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: how the media is, but like if people were clamoring

842
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: to talk to him, like where's Byron he's not talking,

843
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: he would do it. Yeah, he just there's not a

844
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: lot of demand for it, which is kind of interesting

845
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: because he's an all pro cornerback. But you just they're

846
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: just aren't a ton of people clamoring to talk to

847
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: Byron Show. I noticed you guys. I'm sure you guys

848
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: have noticed how much how much easier that is with

849
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: Zeke this year, win or lose, he's the first person

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Speaker 1: in the locker room that steps up to say I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to talk. I think Nick would tell you that's

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00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: been a thing for years. I was shocked when he

853
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: when the whole thing was happening in seventeen with the

854
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: you're suspended but now you're not and all this stuff

855
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City game comes to mind, stands right up there

856
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: and talks through all of it. He's been that's amazing part.

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00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: I just I think this would see it. To me,

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00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: it seems like to me like he is, like we

859
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: walk in the locker room. Zeke is daring, ready, like

860
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: same he like he deservedly people knock his maturity for

861
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: the off field problems he's had, but like in terms

862
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: of professionalism, he's right up there with the best of them.

863
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they lost to the New York Jets, and

864
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, Taylor and Brad Sham do the Cowboys Hour

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Speaker 1: on Monday night, like and he showed up, showed up

866
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: and he you know, he did the interview. He was

867
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: nice and gracious, like he's professional. He doesn't he doesn't

868
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: get credit for it all the time. Sometimes going to

869
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: those professionals colleges that that these guys go to helps.

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00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I really spend a little time making those

871
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: guys are all that kind of stuff. I'm not saying

872
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: that it doesn't, but I mean these sec guys in

873
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State that they're just living in front of the

874
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: cameras all the time, and you kind of get it.

875
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: You're the star and that's pro. I mean, it really

876
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: is pro football, just at a college level, right, I

877
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: mean yeah, real quick, Xavier Woods and Jeff Blood the

878
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: safety have been below I would say I would Jeff Heith,

879
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I would say, like, you know what he is and

880
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: he's he's been at yeah, but well at but like

881
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: that the play against the Jets just sticks in my cross,

882
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: like who he like, it's that's Jeffith. Though it hasn't

883
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: two yard to give up to That's the thing. It's

884
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: it's so out of character for their whole buddy. But

885
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: he has had moments when he has big plays were

886
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: given up because he didn't have the right angle, because

887
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: he didn't get to the right happen against the Lions

888
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: last year. And so that's my point is, like Jeff

889
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: will make plays for you, because we've seen the obvious career.

890
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: He's probably one of them guys on this defensive actually

891
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: will make a play. But he also will give up

892
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: a play. Well, he's actually given up plays to too.

893
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to defend him, but used

894
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: to the place people think about it of the Hall

895
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: of famers like Adrian Peterson into the end zone and

896
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson over him, and maybe Jimmy Graham if he's

897
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer off, yeah, golf on the outside man, Yeah, okay,

898
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: But Robbie Anderson. It's not even going to the Jets

899
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And they put everybody I don't know

900
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: about that Jets. They have their bars a little lower

901
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: at these. I'll contradict myself again because everybody know, like

902
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: I year lead for Jeff Heath all the time. I

903
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: think he gets hated on more than he deserves. Great story,

904
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Saginaw State, all that good stuff. Um do you see

905
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: his goat play though? Against Derek Carr. He did it again.

906
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, yeah, Derek did the same, same exact play.

907
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I was like, learn, but I you know, and all

908
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: that stuff is true for me. And like Jeff Heath

909
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: is what he is. He's better than he than a

910
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: lot of people want to give him credit for. But

911
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have deferred from upgrading that position for several years,

912
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: which means that he should play at a level where

913
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: that's justified. And when you're giving up ninety two yard

914
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: touchdowns to Robbie Anderson, it's just not a good look.

915
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Speaker 1: I get it. I just again, this all bad expectations.

916
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: My expectations for him this year were what he's been,

917
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: and that to me fits with what he's. He's he's

918
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: the you know, he'll pop the receiver and set up

919
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Cheetoh for an interception, and he'll also give up a

920
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: long game because he because the angle wasn't great, Like

921
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: it kind of is who it is, you know, Chris

922
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: ra shar he has taught about the safety position kind

923
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: of made it seem like, oh, he can do without

924
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: having another player, you know, he can work with these

925
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: guys and take it to another level. And it hasn't happened,

926
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: and I was a believer going into this year's draft.

927
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well maybe, I mean it's Chris Roushard.

928
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: We've seen him what he can do. Maybe he can

929
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: take this safety position to another level. And it hasn't happened.

930
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: And that's disappointed, honestly, And it's gonna be a lot

931
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: of questions as this goes on when you look at

932
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: Triston Hill and how he develops. So I could have

933
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: gone to safety, and what we heard was there's a

934
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: very impassionate plea from Chris Rashard that hey, I got

935
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Speaker 1: what I needed safety. We're good, right, Triston Hill is

936
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: not a bust. But Juan Thornhill would not be inactive

937
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: for this team. He just wouldn't be. And that's where

938
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: this is going to get interesting over the next few

939
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: years to see how those two guys careers develop, because

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a lot about whether that's the right

941
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: decision or not. All Right, we appreciate you guys join us.

942
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Speaker 1: We are back next week. Amber's gonna save her game

943
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Speaker 1: until next two Tuesday. We'll get to that on Tuesday.

944
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: We're off Monday, too, aren't we. We're not doing shows

945
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: on Monday, so I love doing the show. Next week

946
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be okay, all right, So then we appreciate

947
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Speaker 1: you guys joining us for Nick, even Dave helm and Amercarcia.

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Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eaglan. This has been The Break live on

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production

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