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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome man, I'm Doug goli Man. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to All Ball, All Basketball, all the time.

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is a legend in the state

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Speaker 1: with a Big ten network. He is Jest Settles. Great dude,

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Speaker 1: awesome stories and a really amazing career where he played

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Speaker 1: not one, not two, not three, not four, not five,

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Speaker 1: but six years. Six years in Iowa because of major

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Speaker 1: Um A couple of quick hoop thoughts as we're getting

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Speaker 1: ready to watch the World Cup and we're trying to

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Speaker 1: decipher Kobe Bryant versus Shaquille O'Neil is their beef And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you say no new beef, but

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Speaker 1: this is clearly beef. This is how it was with Shack.

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Speaker 1: Shaq didn't come in in shape. Phil didn't you know,

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Speaker 1: the big reasons they didn't have two of days when

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Speaker 1: Shaq was on the Lakers was because Shack wasn't in

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Speaker 1: shape and Phil didn't want to kill him. There's no

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Speaker 1: sense in having crazy training camp when you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: playing all the way until June. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: genius parts of Phil Jackson's coaching that people won't give

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Speaker 1: him enough credit for. They just won't. So the first

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Speaker 1: thing is, and this is really really important, neither Kobe

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Speaker 1: nor Shack are telling lies. Now. I do think that

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Speaker 1: Shack there's a little bit overplaying the had Kobe passed

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Speaker 1: more against the Pistons. Let's not go into the Piston

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Speaker 1: series and all the things that were going wrong there.

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Speaker 1: But the bigger issue is Shack could have been the

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Speaker 1: greatest player of all time or the biggest, greatest big

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Speaker 1: man of all time. That's what everybody with the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: and I was with the Lakers and three free agent

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Speaker 1: camps and when the summer League would always say, But

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Speaker 1: he likes being shock movies, TV shows, uh music, video

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Speaker 1: was hanging out, big personality, and it's worked for him.

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Speaker 1: He's a genius in business and he's a great dude.

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Speaker 1: But you can be a great dude and not be

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Speaker 1: completely locked in on being the greatest ever, not being

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Speaker 1: wired the way that Kobe was wired. All Right, Kobe

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Speaker 1: was wired kind of like a serial killer, but he

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Speaker 1: was also wired like a guy who you know, more

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Speaker 1: like a backup point guard. I want to get everything

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Speaker 1: potential I want to get out now. Was he selfish? Sure,

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Speaker 1: Shacks right there, he was selfish. He would take bad shots.

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Speaker 1: He could be hard to play with. He could be hard. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he could be hard to manage a personality and Nigo.

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Speaker 1: But but Kobe worked his ass off and he was

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Speaker 1: always in shape. Shack naturally incredibly gifted, fast, quick, strong,

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Speaker 1: you name it. And oh yeah, by the way, huge

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Speaker 1: you ever met? Shack one of the hugest human beings

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Speaker 1: you'll ever made meet, great, smart personality. But when the

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Speaker 1: season was over, he was done. He was shutting it

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Speaker 1: down for a bit. He wasn't about developing his game.

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Speaker 1: He would develop his game as they went. And that's

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, yes, Shack, you can

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Speaker 1: But he wouldn't guard pick and rolls. Man, how many

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Speaker 1: guys have play against the Lakers. Shooting point guards like

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Speaker 1: Mike Bibbie, like Trevor Hudson come out and it shots

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Speaker 1: where Shack was supposed to be. So there's no new beef.

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Speaker 1: But this is in fact the beef, and this is

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Speaker 1: part of what led to the breakup of Shack and Kobe.

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Speaker 1: Why the team sided with Kobe, right, Shack had more potential,

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Speaker 1: Shack had greater dominance. But Kobe, you get everything you

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Speaker 1: same for Shack. Be sure to catch live editions of

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Speaker 1: The Doug dot Leap Show week days at noon eastern

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Speaker 1: three pm phasis Effect on Fox Sports Radio and the

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app. Dwight Howard has just signed with

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Speaker 1: the l A Lakers, and you get people who clowned

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard signing me with the l A Lakers. They

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Speaker 1: I've what I've heard about Dwight Howard signing. I heard

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Speaker 1: his workout was the best workout of any big guy

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Speaker 1: that the Lakers had in their building, on their roster,

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Speaker 1: not on their roster. That he's lost twenty five pounds.

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Speaker 1: Here here is a quote where is here from a

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing about Dwight Howard being a weird dude.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if it works. I do know

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Speaker 1: they needed to play. You know, there is kind of

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Speaker 1: need him. And then you have DeMarcus Cousins, and as

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Speaker 1: mother of his child, Like and I do understand there's

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Speaker 1: he said. Does that mean he'll be out of league forever? No?

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Speaker 1: But this, this, it was a conclusion that many people

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Speaker 1: if DeMarcus just fix it more, fix it more, fix

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Speaker 1: into a couple of times, and he's been incredibly gracious.

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Speaker 1: But I kind of think that this sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: mile away. It's really unfortunate because he was a really

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Speaker 1: Cousins is done in the NBA, but it wouldn't stun me.

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Speaker 1: If it's really really hard to find him a home

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Speaker 1: idea that you got to unpack and you can use

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a couple of tips for basketball players

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Speaker 1: less only now obviously than when we went to school.

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Speaker 1: FaceTime everybody. Travel seems a whole lot easier. But like self,

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Speaker 1: but you can't get FOMO from other people's social media.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, hey I want that. Why why don't we

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Speaker 1: big key is lock in on your studies, get ahead early, right,

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Speaker 1: Tell my own kids this, because that when when the teachers,

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Speaker 1: So I think those are two key parts to it.

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Speaker 1: welcome him in. Um, he's just settled. He's former Mr

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Speaker 1: the Mr Basketball's and um uh, Fred Hoiberg, some dude,

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Speaker 1: was when she tells me Rafe was the year after you.

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Speaker 1: Glenn Whirley. Like, there's been some really, really really good plays.

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Speaker 1: All right. You grew up where in Iowa? I grew

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Speaker 1: up in Winfield, Iowa, um a town of one thousand.

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Speaker 1: I What Doug and uh when I went to the

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Speaker 1: a c Earl Wade looking Bill, James Winners, Kevin Smith,

425
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: Val Barnes, and they go to the second round. I

426
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: believe the year before Chris streaks in his accident, everybody

427
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: else graduates, a couple of guys thrown off the team,

428
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: so he comes in and has to play his senior

429
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: year with a bunch of freshmen under class m Kenyon

430
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Murray was a McDonald's All American Mr Basketball the state

431
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: of Michigan. Montere Glassmore was out of Detroit. We had

432
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: a pretty poor team that first year. And how do

433
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: you have to McDonald's All Americans a freshman sophomore, You

434
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: and this dude James Winters and you guys weren't very good.

435
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: How is that possible? We just that that first year.

436
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: You know, Kingsbury and I were freshman, Kenyan and Montere

437
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: were just young. Lost a lot of close games and

438
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: then winners and winners. Was hurt probably the last two

439
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: or three weeks of the year when the when the

440
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: games were the big games were on the line. So

441
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. But uh yeah, he was.

442
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: He was incredible. And then the next couple of years

443
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: we had pretty good teams. Yeah, next year you had Kingsbury,

444
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: You you had Andre Woolridge right from Chicago, I think,

445
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 1: big point guard. Uh and and Ryan Bowen came in

446
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: as as well. Um he was he was more off

447
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: off off the bench. Um. What was Dr Tom like

448
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: to play for? He was wonderful. I always tell people

449
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: I look forward to go into practice every single day.

450
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: It just he made the game fun. We were a

451
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: little bit ahead of our time. We pressed the entire game,

452
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: so it seems like, you know, eight nine guys always

453
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: got good minutes. We've played so hard in that pressure

454
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: defense that we could actually sub ourselves out because we

455
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: couldn't play forty minutes. We played a fast pace, uh

456
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: like today, the forwards had the green light to shoot

457
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: the three pointer. We never felt like we were out

458
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: of the game. We played in a lot of games

459
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: when we were down twenty or up twenty and then

460
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: the games would come back to even because of just

461
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: the style of play he was. He was great to

462
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: play for. We had some good n C Double A

463
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: Tournament runs my career into it against clit Elmine, Rep.

464
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: Hamilton's and Yukon who beat Elton, brand Trajan Langdon Avery

465
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: and the national championship that year, but we lost in

466
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Phoenix in the sweet sixteam. But Dr Tom was phenomenal

467
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: to play for. He would talk to you about business

468
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: on the bus. He would talk to you about academics.

469
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: He was into the arts. He was a very well

470
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: rounded guy. He has his PhD. So he was more

471
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: of a businessman who coached basketball rather than just a

472
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: basketball junkie who was just obsessed with the game. Yeah, um,

473
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: you heard your back? Was it your junior year? Your

474
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: senior year? You hear your back? It started my sophomore

475
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: year right in the preseason and just obviously was a

476
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: struggle every year since I ended up having to sit

477
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: out two years, believe it or not. So I see,

478
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: I see some of these transfer portal guys and are

479
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: they're trying to play and transferred get fifth and six years?

480
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: And I know, unfortunately what that's all about. But yeah,

481
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: that's that derailed a lot of goals and dreams, that's

482
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: for sure. Wait wait, see okay, so you started, Okay,

483
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: so remind me because you sat out the you you started,

484
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: but you you got you You sat out first, you

485
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: played a couple of games, and the next year you

486
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: completely shut it down and then you came back. So

487
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: how how that's like your sixth year at your university

488
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: and and you decided not to leave? What what's that

489
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: like to come back and try and play? And keep mind,

490
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: you're playing with a completely different group of guys, right

491
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: like it's it might as well be a different sport almost, Um,

492
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: considering the guys that you played with at the end

493
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: of your career exactly. So I'm just imagine I'm in

494
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: the locker room freshman sophomore year at Iowa. Things are

495
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: going great. Dean Oliver, who you mentioned as Mr Basketball,

496
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: he was like an eighth grader of Mason City, and

497
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: he would come into the locker room, you know, to

498
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: get autographs and hang out with the team because we

499
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: were recruiting him at an early age. Ricky Davis, who

500
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: ended up being a first on pick of the Calves,

501
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: played with Lebron his first year, I believe, also another

502
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: star Iowa high school kids. So these guys are coming

503
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: in the locker room when I'm a freshman and sophomore,

504
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: and then fast forward to when I'm coming back to

505
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: play that final year after being out two years, and

506
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking across the locker room and they have lockers

507
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: in the same locker room, and I'm just I just thought, man,

508
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: I've been here forever. It was. It was tough. It

509
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: was a completely different game, completely different teammates. You're pretty

510
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: emotionally scarred at that point, um, you know, trying to perform,

511
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: still having false pro aspirations and dreams even though it's

512
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: just not possible. So you're you're really emotionally, mentally not

513
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: quite as sharp as you want to be. I just

514
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of took that last year to be a mentor

515
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: and and it was Dr Tom's last year, so it

516
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: was a unique situation where he was a lame duck coach.

517
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: So we were, you know, we were constantly a story

518
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: that year. And we had a good year and made

519
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: it to the Sweet six team. But the game completely changed.

520
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: It was it was bizarre and uh, you know, I

521
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't wish it up on anybody. And he had added

522
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: sam Oki right, who is right? Who's who is? Like

523
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Kingsbury crazy only played your position, another guy who should

524
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: have played football. Um, give me your give me your best,

525
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: give me your best. Sam Oki story, Man, I forgot

526
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: about sam Oki. That's crazy. Uh. Sam Oki was another

527
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: guy I remember going with Kingsbury Doug in my parents

528
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: van to recruit sam Oki when he was playing at

529
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: a at an event in Dubuque when he was a

530
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: junior in high school. He grew up in Cassville. I mean,

531
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: he was just an unbelievable athlete and above the rim guy.

532
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: When he ended up transferring to Iowa, I was shocked.

533
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it was it was crazy. It

534
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: just seemed like I had been there forever. And here's

535
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: another guy who had played against the Wisconsin transferring into Iowa. Unfortunately,

536
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: he broke his wrist right there with five or six

537
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: games ago in nine, I mean, or we would have

538
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: even been even better. He was a great player. I

539
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: can't think of any stories that you know, crazy stories.

540
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just tell you, like so so high school, okay,

541
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: so look he was. He was the one um the

542
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: coal the Coal Center right in Wisconsin. The Senator Cole

543
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: said he would donate the money to the arena after

544
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: sam Oki committed to going to Wisconsin. Like that's how

545
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: big it was to to to get him. So I

546
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: played in the it was called the Coca Cola All

547
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 1: American Game in Indianapolis. Bob Knight's son ran it right,

548
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: So I played the I played the Magic Round, but

549
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: I didn't playing McDonald's the Magic's roundball. And I played

550
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: the Cocole American Game. And sam Oki was on my team,

551
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: and I was I was nineteen. I I was held back.

552
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I was nineteen as a senior, and I had a

553
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: fake I d and sam Oki I don't know if

554
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: he had a fake I d but he just he

555
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: looked like a grown man. And so like the night

556
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: of or the night before the game. I'm gonna say

557
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the night of the game. Like after the game, we

558
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: played the game, it's fun, and we go out afterwards,

559
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: and like, here's a kid. I'm guessing at the time

560
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: he's six seven, probably only two or something. Just before

561
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: he got really it was still pretty strong, and he's

562
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: he was so drunk. I had to like put him

563
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: on kind of on my shoulder and help him like

564
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: back to the hotel, which is a couple of blocks away,

565
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: and it was like moving a dead body. And uh,

566
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: and I just I remember, like because we were roommates.

567
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: I got him to the room, like you get him

568
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: in his bed, right, and he's just a mess, and

569
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: he looks up at you and he goes, good time, Huh,

570
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: fun night, Let's do it again tomorrow night. And he's

571
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: out like that. He's a he's a nut. You guys,

572
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Iowa has this like mix right you play with JR. Cocci.

573
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: I took a visit with him to to um uh

574
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame. He fell asleep um on our visit

575
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: out at in Ryan Hoover's dorm room when they were

576
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: throwing us kind of a dorm party, like Jarre Cotch

577
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: nicest dude ever. You had this like mix of like

578
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: super nice farm dudes and hardcore party drinkers. That's how

579
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I look at Iowa basketball. I mean, it's it's nice

580
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: to talk to you, to get to know the guys

581
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I played with. I I just didn't know this side

582
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: of it. This is hilarious. J R. Cotch was a pro.

583
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: People forget that he was a dropped in the second

584
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: round by the Nick. Had he had he played to

585
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: day Doug, I think is a true like a stretch five.

586
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: I think he would have been a first round pick.

587
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's his game was built for today's game.

588
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Maybe not as much back then, but he had some

589
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: knee troubles overseas and he's now the the Donald Trump

590
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: real estate mogul of Peory, Illinois. I don't know if

591
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: you knew that. I did not know that. Yes, if

592
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: you're if if you go to Peoria, the top real

593
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: estate guy in that city is JR. Cotch. He's doing

594
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: really well. He's a he's phenomenal. But I don't remember

595
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: Sam an key drinking a gallon of milk every night

596
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: a pregame, you know, meal He would literally get a

597
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: picture of it and down the entire thing in front

598
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: of us. But he was He was another McDonald's All

599
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: American I played with. I played with three or four

600
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: of those guys that Iowa people used to criticize Tom

601
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Davis for not being able to recruit, and yet we've

602
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: never had that many All Americans on campus at one

603
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: time ever before. So I guess that was kind of

604
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: a myth. Okay, so you're there six years and ye

605
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: and it's over. Then what'd you do? That's a great question.

606
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: What did I do? Right after school? I went into television.

607
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I worked at the local CBS affiliate out of Cedar Rapids,

608
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Iowa for a couple of years, also sold pharmaceuticals. Married

609
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: my high school sweetheart, Atlanta web Paying. Her dad was

610
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: a great football coach in the state of Iowa for

611
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: many years, and started a family. So that's uh, that's

612
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: what happened. And UH got out of pharmaceuticals farm with

613
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: my dad and I'm still doing television. Um, you didn't

614
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: like Was it because of the back or did you

615
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: lose the love for it. What why hanging up? It

616
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: was strictly for the back. No, I did not. I

617
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: love the game. I was just in too much pain.

618
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: I had I kind of run out of options. I

619
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: was working out that summer for a team in Australia

620
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: and uh ended up hurting it even worse to where

621
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: it just I didn't have a choice anymore. So it

622
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: basically made the decision for me. So, yeah, the injuries

623
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: really damaged my career. The back injury is so brutal

624
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: to deal with, and even even in small ways, it's

625
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: always bothering you, and uh, it just wiped me out. Yeah.

626
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Um so now you're now you're covering the league. How

627
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: much different is the Big Ten now from when you played?

628
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: It's it's different because for several reasons, it's really hard

629
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: with with Saschowski and Cayl Perry and now Penny Hardaway.

630
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: It's almost like they take the top twenty guys every

631
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: year and just leave the scraps for everyone else. So

632
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: I remember my freshman year when I played. I played

633
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: against Grant Hill when he was I think a senior

634
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: duke uh in a in a non con game. And

635
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: then you can look at the big ten I go.

636
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: I went up against the Fab five one night, you

637
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: go up against the Shawan Leonard in Minnesota. The next night,

638
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: you go up against Dion Thomas and Illinois. The night

639
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: after that, Glenn Robinson then comes to town. After you're

640
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: you're already worn down and you're a freshman, and then

641
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: here comes the big dog who will drop forty on you.

642
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: We it felt like at that time, and especially when

643
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: you and I were growing up in the late eighties,

644
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: it seems like the Big Ten got all of the

645
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: elite players. Now that's probably not the case, but it

646
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: felt like there was a lottery pick every other night

647
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: coming to Carver Hawkeye Arena. So now it's a little

648
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: bit different. We don't quite get those level of guys,

649
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: and so there's a there's a lot more parody and

650
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: not quite as much attention on that. The new rules

651
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: obviously have probably, in my opinion as a fan of

652
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: hurt the Big Hand more than any other league as

653
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: far as you can't grab and hold and you can't

654
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: fight the death. That's what I loved about it playing

655
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: in and growing up and watching it, and the freedom

656
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: removing rules have totally changed the way the game is

657
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: coached the way the game is played to where a

658
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: kid like Nick Ward for Michigan State, Caleb Weston for

659
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Matt Harms from producing. They can't even stay

660
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: on the floor anymore. And yes it's their own doing

661
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: because they know the rules and the coaches train them

662
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 1: that way. But when those if those guys would have played,

663
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: when we played, they you didn't even think about filing out.

664
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I literally never thought ever about filing out of the game.

665
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: So those are a couple of changes. You would have

666
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: been a small ball center though you realize that right

667
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: like you had had fives, no doubt, would have been

668
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: a five's small ball. What stretch five is out there?

669
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: What you'd call it? You do know you I don't

670
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: know if you'd be you'd have to yeah, you'd be.

671
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: You'd just be a small ball five. Yes, stretch five

672
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: is more just strict shooter. Like you'd be a small

673
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: ball five. We can step out and face up, you're

674
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: scoring the post, you know you rebound. The would be empty.

675
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the paint being empty and you playing

676
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: at the five catching the ball at the top of

677
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: the key, Like, what would that be like? It would

678
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: just be unbelievable, and and and no one could touch you.

679
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, you just lower the shoulder and just attack

680
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: and you'd get a whistle one way or the other.

681
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: It's uh, yeah, it's it's really interesting to see how

682
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: the game has changed. I mean the first round now

683
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: for the NBA draft, so many of these guys who

684
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: I was growing up with would would have been late

685
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: first round pick, maybe early second round pick instead of

686
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: instead of lottery pick. So it's it's really fascinating. What's

687
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: your take on it? Do you do you like all

688
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: the new rules? What it affected you? I mean you

689
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: you were leading, you let our lead the nation of

690
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: the system. Felt like every year you're playing, I would

691
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: I would say, look, I mean the way guys play

692
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: now when I when I got to Notre Dame, this

693
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: is a great question. When I got to Notre Dame, Um,

694
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I would the way I played you come down, you

695
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: shoot three in transition, or come off a ball screen

696
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: and make a play, um, or you get to the hoop.

697
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have a middle game, and from the moment

698
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: I stepped on campus. John McCloud's whole thing was dog

699
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: you gotta have a mid range game, right like literally

700
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: trying to rewire me and um, and you know, we

701
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: ran an offense that was not a good fit for me.

702
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: It was it was basically like a two side motion,

703
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, almost Blocker mover esque said, you know where

704
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: the guys you're on one side with a screener and

705
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: then the point guards up top and you almost never

706
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: go through. Or we'd run a set um and we

707
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't run you know, a set secondary break. We just

708
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of playground in transition. So it was, it was.

709
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: It was a real fight. So in terms stylistically, the

710
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: style of basketball it's played now for most by most

711
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: coaches would be much better for how I grew up

712
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: playing now, having the lane wide open. I realized that

713
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: because my shooting went went to went to potts um.

714
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: You know, it would still be hard to get through,

715
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: but a lot different. I mean, I think it'd be

716
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: better for me. I think the guys that it's hurt

717
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: are there are that you guys or the power forwards

718
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: in the centers, and those those are the guys that

719
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's like you brought up Nick Ward,

720
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: perfect example, he's a first round pick ten fifteen years ago. Right,

721
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: he's a he's a left handed power forward. He's a

722
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: first round pick. Now he doesn't have I mean, he's

723
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: not gona be an NBA player, and he's not, and uh,

724
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a very different game. I agree

725
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: with you in terms of the physicality of the Big Ten.

726
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: I also think maybe the bigger one is guys leaving

727
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: so early, and the Big Ten generally doesn't have Obviously,

728
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Michigan's lost a ton, Michigan States lost a bunch, or

729
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: how States lost some, but the Big Ten does have

730
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: a tendency to have the best recipitous rate of any

731
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: of the big conferences. I wonder, honest question, now, if

732
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: you were coming, if you were in college now before

733
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: you hurt your back, you know, would you have gone

734
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: to the NBA. Do you have any I don't know

735
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: bitterness is the word, But do you have any regrets

736
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: over staying as long as you did because you're back

737
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: up progressively worse than you didn't have a post college

738
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: basketball career. That's a that's a deep question. I think

739
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I think you when we grew up and when I

740
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: went to the University of Iowa, you went to Notre Dame.

741
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: There's no question that we had a desire to play

742
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I think everybody has a desire that

743
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: was somewhat like that. But first and foremost the desire

744
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: was to win a national championship. Well, but first and

745
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: foremost he was to get a college scholarship. Right there,

746
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: you go, right, So, so the first thing was like, man,

747
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: I just want to get a scholarship, and you get

748
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: a scholarship, and he felt like, and then and then

749
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: it's and then it's man, I just now I just

750
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: want to start, and I just want to start. And

751
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean I chose another name because I could start

752
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: right away, and I'm still pissed I didn't start the

753
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: first four games, even though I wasn't a better player

754
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: in practice, you know, So then I want to start.

755
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: Then then you want to start, like okay, now, like

756
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: I want to get to the tournament. I want to

757
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: become all league, you know. I mean, all these things

758
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: were important, Whereas it does feel like the only thing

759
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: that's really important is, man, I gotta get to the league,

760
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: and it feels like it's skipping steps. I totally agree.

761
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a fascinating conversation. I Mean, your legacy back

762
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: then was to get a scholarship. I mean, that was

763
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: such a big deal if you got minutes. I mean

764
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: when I went to the University of Iowa, I was

765
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: hoping to play by my sophomore junior year. I mean,

766
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: I was just hoping that it would open up like that.

767
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when I was being recruited

768
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: by Michigan, I just looked at their roster and I

769
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: looked at the guys that were recruiting behind me, like

770
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: Tractor Trailer Mo, Mo Taylor, guys who were really good

771
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: and but a lot of other bigger names, and I

772
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm not gonna get the minutes here. I'm

773
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: just like you going to Notre Dame. I've got to

774
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: go someplace where I feel like I can get the minutes.

775
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: And and Dr Tomas tried not to recruit over people,

776
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: but then it was a matter of you know, you

777
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: gotta hang a banner. You've you've got to win a

778
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Big ten championship, You've got to go to a final four. Obviously,

779
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: when the injury hit me my sophomore year, then everything

780
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: in my mind changed. I was still in pursuit of

781
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: those goals, but then it was like, man, I would

782
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: hate to play and be good at this game and

783
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: never get one paycheck from playing this game, And so

784
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: then it becomes you become a little more self focused,

785
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: unfortunately when you get injured and you start planning your

786
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: your individual career. But it was never, it was never

787
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: at all like it was today, although if we grew

788
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: up in today's game dug, we probably think the same way. Yeah,

789
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I have any bittern this I didn't.

790
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: I just I want to play one game. I want

791
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: to play in the Final four. Came up one game short,

792
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: I want to play in the NBA, and I you know,

793
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: I did rookie camps, in VET camps, but never the

794
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: true like the true training camps. So I never even

795
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: played a preseason game. But I I still would deem

796
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: my career a success, not just for what I've been

797
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: able to do post career, but like, look, I accomplished

798
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that people only dream of accomplishing.

799
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: So I still have perspective. Whereas like we we are

800
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: kind of raising kids to not understand not you know,

801
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: they they'll tweet out like truly blessed to get an

802
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: offer from Duquesne University, Like, yeah, but that's not really

803
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: how you feel you should feel really truly blessed to

804
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: get an out for but you don't. You feel almost entitled,

805
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: and you know, almost entitled to get a shot in

806
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: the league. And people don't realize how hard that is.

807
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: So yes, So I've known you for many years, Doug,

808
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: and always appreciated you and been very proud of your

809
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: success and after playing the game. But I'll tell you,

810
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: and you've got to give me a comment of this

811
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: the time that I really fell in love with you,

812
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: because when you went face to face with Marcus Fizer

813
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve tournament, nobody went face to face with

814
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: that guy. You gotta you gotta fill me in on

815
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: that story. Okay. So, um, so iowa stay the first

816
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: year I'm in the Big twelve like again, like I

817
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: so my the year I sat, I went Notre Dame,

818
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: I sat out, went to junior college. And then uh

819
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: that year they played U c l A in the tournament,

820
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: great game the tournament, I think in the second round

821
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: and U c l A beat him. Um what was

822
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: the whose little guard's name? Hallowey? I mean he was

823
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: a C. Halloway Man he was tying. Um. So I

824
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: remember I was at Malarkey's in Newport Beach, and I

825
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: was and I am not a big drinker. I did

826
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: not go out much. But buddy mine Clay McKnight, who

827
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: was also transferring, sitting out. He went from UC Irvine

828
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: to Pacific. We got down the Malarkey's. We're watching the

829
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: n c A tournament, and we started drinking. And we've

830
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: been there all day and we are hammered and we're

831
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: watching and I just I remember Iowa State, liking it

832
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: and and liking a little bit of the story. And

833
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: I knew a lot about Iowa basketball. So my first

834
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: year were at Oaklham State. We play Tim Floyd's there.

835
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: They're not very good playing on Big Monday. Um. They

836
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: did some weird ship where they will like not guard

837
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: you and they're the best. Whoever the best player was,

838
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: they guard you and they would face guard you, not

839
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: look at anybody else. And the guy who was guarding,

840
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: like Adrian Peterson, our best player, he'd actually say like

841
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: hands off, hands off, hands off, hands off, hands off.

842
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Was almost like their program. They'd run like a triangle too.

843
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: So I actually played really well. I hit a bunch

844
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: of shots and we kicked their ask. They weren't very good.

845
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: The next year Spiser's first year, maybe not his second year,

846
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: and they were a little bit better. It was Eustacey's

847
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: first year, and we kicked the hell of it in

848
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: our place. So we gotup there my senior year and well,

849
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: at Oaklahoma State, we've only got beaten by double figures twice,

850
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe it twice in three years. Once

851
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: was Texas my sophomore year. They actually weren't very good,

852
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: but they just blasted us. And I got benched at

853
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: halftime because I talked back to coach and and uh uh,

854
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: well he took me out for a mistake that wasn't

855
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: my mistake, and I walked and it was one of

856
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: my first road games for him, and I was like,

857
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: that's bullshit, and he's like, you know what bullshit. You

858
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: sit there, put on your sweats and helped me coach. Right.

859
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: So anyway, my senior year, we're good, I mean we're

860
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: really really good. And we go up to Ames and

861
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, they have Tinsley, they have Isiser, they have

862
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: and they got a squad like surely to even play

863
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: on that team. Stevie Johnson is their center at like

864
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: six five. He shot like from the floor because they're

865
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: all lay ups and dunks, perfect college basketball team, and

866
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: they kicked a living ship out of us. They beat

867
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: us by like nineteen, and we're like, are you fucking

868
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: kidding me? They this team like we're better than them.

869
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: So Big twelve tournament, Um god, who we play? We

870
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: played Kansas the first day and we we're gonna win

871
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: the league and then we lost Oklahoma last game of

872
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: the year at home, last game in Gallagher, we're up nine.

873
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: Coach subs me out because he thinks they're gonna foul me.

874
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: We just go in the tank. I I don't take

875
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: an open shot at the end of the game, pass

876
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: it anyway. We lose at home, So now we're the

877
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: We went from what would have been the one seed

878
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: two I think the four seed, and we play Kansas

879
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: and we had beaten Kansas by thirty three, and we

880
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: beat Kansas by nineteen, and we beat Kands by nine.

881
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: It was Heinrich callis him Refreshman, and we kicked the

882
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: dog piss out of him, and um uh. So the

883
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: next day we play Iowa State and they won the league.

884
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: They're the one seed where the four seat and I

885
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: don't know, if you've been to Kansas City, but Iowa

886
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: State when they're shitty, I always state when they're good.

887
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: Kansas City is filled with Iowa State fans like they're crazy.

888
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So we walk in and are and we

889
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: brought a good We probably bought five thousand fans and

890
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: they probably brought ten thousand fans. And then there's like

891
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: five thousand, you know, other fans for the for the

892
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: other side of the bracket or whatever places packed this

893
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: old camp arena. So um, they're talking all kinds of

894
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: ship and early in the game, I had a pass

895
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: Fred John Seen, who's our sweetest center sophomore. He's running

896
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: down the middle of lane and I'm kind of dribbling

897
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: right to left and I throw a kind of a

898
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: no look like through all through a bunch of arms.

899
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: He gets and he dunks it, and I am fucking wolfing,

900
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: I am running my mouth, coming for you. We're coming

901
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: for you. Motherfucker's were coming for you, right because they

902
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: won the league and we're we're coming for and um.

903
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: The next time we we like, it's kind of same,

904
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: like we were running Carolina Secondary, but we were just

905
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Fred was our rim runner so instead of throwing like

906
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: through the defense, I throw it over the defense and

907
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: Freddie catches and he's about to dunk it and fightser

908
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: fouls the ship out of him, like and Marcus Fiser was,

909
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, at six five whatever to thirty and

910
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean he's built like you, and I mean he

911
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: fouled Freddy hard, and so you know, like this kind

912
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: of comes back to my Notre Dame. Like John McLeod

913
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: was big on standing up for your guys. Big guys

914
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: are supposed to stand up for a little guys and

915
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: more a little guy. So I get right in Fiser

916
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: spaces like you know, like you know, like I don't know,

917
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: I was just running my mouth. I'm like head to

918
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: my head to his chest, like he could pull me

919
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: with his head, but I'm right up in his chest.

920
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: The part that sucks about it was I appreciate that

921
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: you like that it. We should have won the game.

922
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: We got a four point lead, but like two and

923
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: a half to go and Desmond Mason, our best players

924
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: in American fouls out, and um we got a little selfish.

925
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: And then they were they would do this thing to

926
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: make me score right where I drive in and they

927
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: bluff at me and then get back and almost leave

928
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: like an open lane, and I I missed a layup

929
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: and then I missed another one where I drove in

930
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: and I was so I was so hype that, like

931
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I still have the picture of it. My hand was

932
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: over the rim to like dunk it, and I like

933
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna finger roll it instead, I turned it

934
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: around to dunk it, and I the balls. I hit

935
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: the back of the rim like some some high school

936
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: idiot trying to dunk. And then I made one of

937
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: two free throws late whatever like Joe Atkins that way.

938
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: I was shitty, he was shitty. And we lost the game. Um,

939
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: the funny part of the story is we lose the game.

940
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: We should have won the game. Mason shouldn't have fouled out,

941
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: but we aren't. We didn't do well and we got

942
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: a bad seed worst seed because of it. But we're

943
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: walking out of the arena and Tinsley and Visor had

944
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: to do a piss test for we all had to

945
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: like me, him and I think it was um uh

946
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: DEAs and Mason, we we all had to do our

947
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: drug test afterwards, and like you know, you know, those

948
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: games are like you're so tired the end of the season.

949
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: We got nothing left. You're like, man, I need like

950
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: to drink like two gatorade just to work up a

951
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: pe to fill at this bottle. You can't go right.

952
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: So you're in the same room and we just got

953
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: done like wolfing at these guys and they're literally sitting

954
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: two chairs across from us. They just won and we

955
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: just lost. And it's the most uncomfortable thing ever. So

956
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: there you go. There's my there's my Fiser Tinsley story.

957
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: So I I didn't mean to bring up a bad marror.

958
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: I forgot. It's not a bad memory at the end. Yeah,

959
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: if my Marcus Visor story is when I came back

960
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: my last year, I believe it was. I believe that

961
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: was his first year, because what year was that was?

962
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: That was that was second? That was two thousands. That

963
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: was the sec because he played three years. Because when

964
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: they beat us, they w they beat us in Ames,

965
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: they were chanting one m v P one more year,

966
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: one more year. So I think he stayed three years.

967
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: So it was the second year. So he had a phenomena.

968
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: You're you're exactly right. I mean, they were the ultimate

969
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: college basketball team. I ended up covering them a few

970
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: years later when I worked for CBS two and they

971
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: lost to Michigan State to go to the final four,

972
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: which that that was the that was the next year.

973
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: That was that That's the same year I'm talking about.

974
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: That's the very next year that. I mean, they that

975
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: was the national championship game basically the two best teams

976
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: and then and then we were and yes, and I

977
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: thought we were probably the third best, but we we

978
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: were so short about that because because we lost in

979
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the other early date, we lost to Florida, who was

980
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: They were young, but they were stacked, I mean like

981
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: nine dudes that played in the NBA, and we just

982
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: played like shit and they had a better game plan

983
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: and we just didn't play well. But yes, you're completely right,

984
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: Iowa State in Michigan State. That was like a national

985
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: champ That's when I used Stacy went crazy and got

986
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: thrown out and walked off the court and walked across

987
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: the street and had a beer. I was at that game.

988
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: I was covering that game and was it was mind

989
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: blowing Mopete and company. The year before, when Fiser was

990
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: his first year on the team, you Stacy was trying

991
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: to send messages so It's probably what the fourth or

992
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: fifth game of the year where I was staying. I

993
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: will always play that big game, and it was in

994
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: Carver Hockey, and I remember watching the tape and studying

995
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: the tape. This is my sixth year. I don't have

996
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: much strength anymore. I'm just more of a perimeter player,

997
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: not a power guy. I'm watching Fiser on tape and

998
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: I tell the guys, there's no way I can hang

999
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: with this guy, like he's going to beat me to sleep.

1000
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: He was like kind of a Charles Barkley College type

1001
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: of players. And so we get in the game and

1002
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: he picks up somehow, he picks up a couple of

1003
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: quick fouls, and you stay. She throws him in the doghouse,

1004
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: probably plays him five to ten more minutes to the

1005
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: rest of the game, and we beat him by let's say,

1006
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: ten points, all because he was sitting on the bench.

1007
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: So that's how you stay. She kind of was the

1008
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: mind games and also a good lesson. You know, you

1009
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: just show up and playing no matter who you're playing,

1010
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: you never know how the story is gonna go. I

1011
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: thought they did a great with Tinsley. He couldn't shoot,

1012
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: but they would run stuff for him to get post

1013
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: ups in mid range stuff and so you could. They

1014
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: would hide that that he couldn't shoot at all, and

1015
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: that allowed Tinsley to big Tinsley and he was. He

1016
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: was a really hard time for me. He was so

1017
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: big and if you gave him ground like people will

1018
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: play off of me. I was too small. So the

1019
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: only way to do that is to to to beat

1020
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: him in transition to shoot. And I wasn't a good shooter,

1021
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: and Eddie had no confidence in me, so I had

1022
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: no confidence. But he was so big. Yeah, let me

1023
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: ask you this. So you you played for McCloud, you

1024
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: played for Sutton. Who are a couple other guys, I mean,

1025
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: with with your coaching mind, now your analyst mine, who

1026
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: are a couple of other guys from that era who

1027
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: you would have loved to play for for a year.

1028
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: I love to play forself. But I think he's awesome.

1029
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean he he lets you play. Uh No,

1030
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: he was at Tulsa, Tulsa, Tulsa. Yeah, he was Tulsa.

1031
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: They went to the lead A too. They were a

1032
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: great team. They lost to North Carolina. Um, just but self,

1033
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: he he was hard on you, but he let his

1034
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: guards kind of go and let let gut, let guys play.

1035
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Even even then, I almost played for Izzo. Um, I don't.

1036
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would have been kind of

1037
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: the if I would have taken izo callman from the

1038
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: delivery room of his first baby, Um put the doctor

1039
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: on the phone, and I would have been his first

1040
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: point guard. Because my freshman year was the first year

1041
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: he was head coach. Had I taken that, i'd i'd

1042
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: be a head coach in college right now, right like

1043
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: it would have been. It would have been perfect. Um,

1044
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: But I didn't. I didn't even visit because trailer didn't

1045
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: visit and Albert White didn't visit. But I would have

1046
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: loved playing with Um, Antonio Smith and and Jason Klein

1047
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: and that that that that crew, and you know, my

1048
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: team might not have ever gone there because he was

1049
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: the next year and he only went there because because

1050
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: the car accident with Michigan on his on his visit.

1051
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: Um who else? I mean, like, look, you know I

1052
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: always thought I wanted to play a Duke um White

1053
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: point guard. Duke Bobby Hurler is my idol. Like that's

1054
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: that was a that was a kind of an easy one.

1055
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: That was what I would have. UM, and Arizona didn't

1056
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: recruit me and I had friends that went to Arizona.

1057
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: They took Jason Terry instead of me, and eventually Mike

1058
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: Bibbie ahead of me, and Um, that would have been

1059
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: amazing just because the way they played, or or u

1060
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: c l A. And I didn't go to u c

1061
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: l A because you know, Herrick did recruit over guys

1062
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: and he didn't care. And he would tell you, like,

1063
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: five guys, Douggie, we played the five best guys u

1064
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: c l A high post offense, not the only offense,

1065
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: just the best, you know, all right, Last thing, I

1066
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: gotta cup more for you. Last thing, Um, your favorite

1067
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: arena to play it back when I played, I would

1068
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: say Illinois, and I had a huge drive away over

1069
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: the Deon Thomas situation. That place was nuts. It's not

1070
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: the same anymore, um. And then Hill and call see

1071
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: him at names. You played in that that's that was

1072
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: an incredible place to play outside of carbon arena. Best

1073
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: player you thought you ever played against fresh in the year.

1074
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: It seems like I played against so many legends. I

1075
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: would say Glenn Robinson far and away in college was

1076
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: the best player I ever played against. I've talked to

1077
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: many assistant coaches who had to scout him in the nineties.

1078
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: They all would agree that he was far and away

1079
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: the best player of that air in the Big ten.

1080
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: Played against Grant Hill, like I mentioned before, but he

1081
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: wasn't Grant Hill of the Pistons when he was in college.

1082
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: He was not on the attack where Big Dog would

1083
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: attack you on every possession. My freshman year once, it

1084
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: is the only time I played him, I made the mistake.

1085
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: I was playing well against him, I was, I was

1086
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: for some reason, I was feeling my oats and I

1087
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: was in a defensive stance and I and I said,

1088
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: come on, big dog, come on, come at me. I

1089
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: don't know why I would have ever said that. In

1090
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the game, Doug, he starts chuckling at

1091
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: me in the middle of the game, ends up with

1092
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: thirty eight dunked on us multiple times. Glenn Robinson wasn't

1093
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: even close. Um uh. And then how do you win?

1094
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: Like you have a say me, how many kids? I

1095
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: have three little girls of fourteen eleven, And when when

1096
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: people tell them come up to them said, man, and

1097
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: your daddy was a great player, right, which is always

1098
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: feels cool, right, um, how do you? How do you?

1099
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: How do you want to be described to your kids?

1100
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: So I've taken the approach my wife and I we

1101
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: don't put pictures out and jerseys and trophies and things

1102
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know why I because when I

1103
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: go to my other teammates houses, I absolutely love that

1104
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: more than anything else, to see all the memorabilia. But

1105
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted them to grow up not knowing much

1106
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: about it, just so they didn't have to live up

1107
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: to any false expectations. And that may be wrong, that

1108
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: may be right, but that's sort of been the way

1109
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: we've done it. So my fourteen year old is now

1110
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: because of Twitter, because of the Big Ken Network, you know,

1111
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: being on television, she's she'll constantly being begetting asked to

1112
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: things like that. So how what's the question? How? How

1113
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: do I want to be remembered or when? How do

1114
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: you want to be described? Just just as a great

1115
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: teammate and a great Hawkeye. I mean, my my dream

1116
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: was always to play for the Hawk Gays and and

1117
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I want to be remembered as.

1118
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: Uh were the wrestlers tougher than you? They were? They

1119
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: may have been clinically insane, right, I mean, great guys.

1120
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: But John Street, for our legendary trainer, always used to say,

1121
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: the difference between the wrestlers and the rest of the

1122
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: athletes is that they you know, they partied just as

1123
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: hard as everybody else, but at five the next morning,

1124
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: they'd be in the in the weight room, lifting and

1125
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: working out where everybody else would be sleeping in. I

1126
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: grew up in the Dan Gable era at Iowa, so

1127
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, I won a national championship every year, and

1128
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: it's hard for basketball guys to love wrestlers, but in Iowa,

1129
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't hard with Dan Gable. My first maybe the

1130
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: second week I was on campus, I went up and

1131
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: I asked Gable if I could ride the exercise bike

1132
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: in the wrestling room, just because I thought it would

1133
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: be more intense than riding it out on the basketball court.

1134
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's the first time you've ever had

1135
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: a basketball guy requests to be able to work out

1136
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: in the wrestling room. But he said yes, And so

1137
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: then he gets on the bike next to me, Doug

1138
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: and for I write it for half an hour and

1139
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm riding it hard, but he tries to do it

1140
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: harder than me. He's trying to break the machine to

1141
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: show me that he's still got it and I don't.

1142
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: So that's kind of their mentality. Iowa wrestlers were as

1143
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: tough as they got. It was. It was incredible. Okloma

1144
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: State too. I always say this three things that will

1145
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: survive nuclear holocaust twinkies, cockroaches, and wrastlers and and and wrestlers.

1146
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: Hey man, this is great, awesome catching up with you.

1147
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: Can't wait to break some bread, do some stuff in

1148
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Network with you. Thanks so much for

1149
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: for for being part of our ball. Thanks a lot

1150
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: to appreciate you. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

1151
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,360
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1154
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: My thanks to Jess Settles, one of the all time

1155
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: Hawkeye legends. Of course you can see him on the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Network. I'm Doug Gottlieb in This is all Ball.