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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Stephan never told any prediction of iHeart Radio,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to another sub sub sub sub sub.

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Speaker 1: Segment of fictional women around the world.

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Speaker 2: Leave. There will be two for me this month, because

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Speaker 2: that is our May tradition.

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Speaker 1: This is the May tradition.

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Speaker 2: It is, and yes, we are talking about a Star

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Speaker 2: Wars character. Today is May the fourth, as we record it.

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Speaker 2: I've been having the time of my life. Unfortunately though

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Speaker 2: I actually, I mean unfortunately, I actually have a job,

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Speaker 2: so I can't just read fan fiction and buy all

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Speaker 2: the stuff I don't need that's on sale today as

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Speaker 2: I my heart's desires.

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Speaker 1: But just bust Christina's ear drums.

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Speaker 2: All right, These people are like, are you celebrating? And

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Speaker 2: I was like, I mean I would, but I got

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Speaker 2: this job.

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Speaker 1: I'd be talking about Star Wars on Yes, I love

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Speaker 2: Please, but it has been hard. It's been temptation all day,

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Speaker 2: all day, Yes, all day. I woke up early. I've

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Speaker 2: already watched one of the movies. Oh wow, oh for tonight, okay,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, because we're going to see Empire Strikes Back

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Speaker 2: watched The Fire Strikes back today. I've got a system,

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Speaker 2: I've got a plan. So today we're talking about Finnic

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Speaker 2: shand standard disclaimer about canon. This one's actually not as

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Speaker 2: complicated because she's a newer character. But Star Wars canon

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Speaker 2: is messy. It's gone through several revisions, it's gone through

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Speaker 2: several red cons, which I realized. I use that word

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Speaker 2: when people go back and change a storyline to make

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Speaker 1: And also there will be spoilers for I guess.

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Speaker 2: The Mandalarian bad Batch and the Book of Boba Fett,

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Speaker 1: This is it.

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Speaker 2: I really did not like. I really really didn't. I'm

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Speaker 2: I have a pretty forgiving limit. I will defend things

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Speaker 2: but once you pass it, you passed it, and this

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Speaker 2: one did me. I was literally like a show somebody

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Speaker 1: I like there was a lot of people just not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like so love Ooba Fed exactly,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like that was more.

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Speaker 2: When I tell people that I didn't like it, they

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 2: They're always like that guy who did the spin, and

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Speaker 2: But I do think because that character, and I've been

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people were angry because

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Speaker 1: Yes, Jesse, to be clear, Jesse, to be clear, But

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Speaker 2: I loved Finnick in it, and I do love Ming

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Speaker 2: This led her to fight it out with cad Bane,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't like him. I really don't like him. Again,

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Speaker 2: apologies to anyone who does. I'm not here to I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying, oh, my own opinion, and that is it.

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Speaker 2: She Finnick ultimately did not succeed, but it didn't knock

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Speaker 2: Together they go to tithe Them in search of FET's armor.

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Speaker 2: So once session was successful, Bennick and Fet returned to

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Speaker 1: And I guess Vet is ruler. I don't know that's

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Speaker 2: Well, they go on this mission to Blackspire Outpost take

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Speaker 2: I think and that the snippet said about mcnowen. She

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I found a really interesting article about the trope,

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