Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
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Speaker 1: Oh hello, everybody, Another Week, Episode three. I have no
Speaker 1: recollection of that episode, so watching it it's really fun
Speaker 1: and like kind of voyeuristic because watching the whole Nathan
Speaker 1: Haley thing on fold was like brand new for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was exciting. It was fun to see it from
Speaker 1: from this perspective rather than from just being And I
Speaker 1: had sense memory. I didn't have a lot of it
Speaker 1: the last two episodes, but this one I had a
Speaker 1: lot of sense memory of being there. I remembered being
Speaker 1: sitting at that table. I remember the whole cracker Jack scene. Um,
Speaker 1: and I forgot that it was in this episode. I
Speaker 1: thought that happened later. I thought she was like, I
Speaker 1: agreed to tutor you, and then like later he did that. Um,
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool. That's fun. To see.
Speaker 1: Did you have any idea in the moment that that
Speaker 1: little bench was going to become like a cultural icon
Speaker 1: in downtown Wilmington's for a million years? Did I think that?
Speaker 1: I think how many people have proposed at that bench.
Speaker 1: The photos we see of like engagements and and you know,
Speaker 1: people there with their babies and it's so cool and
Speaker 1: their baby's named Haley and like to see it. It's
Speaker 1: just this beautiful two shot. The DP got it just right.
Speaker 1: And whatever time of day you guys did it, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like magic hour, the reflection of sunset in
Speaker 1: the water, or I guess it would have been sunrise
Speaker 1: because it was supposed to be seven am. It's just
Speaker 1: so pretty iconic. It was so beautiful, the way the
Speaker 1: water was glowing and everything. And then the fact that
Speaker 1: Nathan looks at her and says that line, don't say
Speaker 1: I never gave you anything. I mean, that is the
Speaker 1: line that fans quote to me. You know, you were
Speaker 1: saying your art matters. Is the one that you get
Speaker 1: all the time, Hillary, That's the one that I got
Speaker 1: all the time. Don't say I never gave you anything.
Speaker 1: It just, um, it meant so much two people, and
Speaker 1: I also clocked, which I didn't. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I clocked it when we were filming. But Hayley is
Speaker 1: still wearing the bracelet at the end of the night,
Speaker 1: like she didn't take it off. Why did you dig
Speaker 1: it off? Shiver a little bit because it made me
Speaker 1: wonder like, had Haley ever had like a like a
Speaker 1: little boyfriend in middle school? Like, had Haley ever had
Speaker 1: that like deep flirtation before? Was this like the first
Speaker 1: boy that was? I don't know. Did you guys have
Speaker 1: a conversation about that? We didn't, but I yeah, I
Speaker 1: do remember thinking that and feeling like this is the first.
Speaker 1: That's why she's getting drawn in even though she's trying
Speaker 1: to be a good friend and you know, just do
Speaker 1: the right thing and help someone who's in need. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the captain of the basketball team captain? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the word lead? So handsome? I still don't
Speaker 1: know basketball terms. They touched down, touched down that funny.
Speaker 1: I think you hit it. That's that's it, speaking of
Speaker 1: things that were incredibly authentic. Um. What I like about
Speaker 1: our show is that there's nothing like cool. Hazing takes
Speaker 1: place in someone's mom's minivan and they just throw him
Speaker 1: in a puddle. But that's it's the worst. It's the
Speaker 1: worst that they do. We got you get and dirty.
Speaker 1: What they soaked his closed with water and his locker
Speaker 1: was it water? Was it pete? Do we know? Know?
Speaker 1: That would have been worse because I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I had bullies in sixth grade and they put dogs
Speaker 1: in my locker, and it's like that was horrendous, And
Speaker 1: I'm your sixth grade bullies were harder than teenage. I
Speaker 1: mean I was in Jersey, so maybe part of yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yeah, that's pretty funny. That's all they
Speaker 1: did was push him in a bottle. You look so
Speaker 1: cute with your little barretts in this episode. Yeah, was
Speaker 1: that your idea to do pigtails? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that at all. I feel it it
Speaker 1: probably was. And bosses were always like, just wear your
Speaker 1: hair down. Oh yeah, It's like, no, I wanted to
Speaker 1: look really sweet and innocent. She did. It worked. I mean,
Speaker 1: even just that last shot of Haley and Lucas on
Speaker 1: the bench, and I saw what a baby face I was,
Speaker 1: and just the innocence and sort of what I caught
Speaker 1: a moment of the appeal that everybody loved about Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley. That it was so young. We were so
Speaker 1: young and link so many big things, and there was
Speaker 1: such a like a purity to it, the way that
Speaker 1: you held Haley's experience and held that choice and for
Speaker 1: this noble idea of saving your friend sort of you know,
Speaker 1: took on something that you were afraid of. It was
Speaker 1: just so fun to watch. Who was fun. Well, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the acting range though, Joy, because my favorite
Speaker 1: thing on the internet is that montage that one of
Speaker 1: your fans cut together of all your kissing scenes from
Speaker 1: when you were on a soap opera. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like the sexiest ever. Um. It was so
Speaker 1: passionate and intense, and you did it as like a
Speaker 1: teenager and that was all pre One Tree Hill. So
Speaker 1: then to see you flip that switch and just be
Speaker 1: the most pure little angel on the plane, I was like,
Speaker 1: this girl knows when she's doad. Oh, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun with Haley, like with a cool,
Speaker 1: cool character. By the way, talk about having fun. Brooke
Speaker 1: was like a ball in this episode. My face is
Speaker 1: still red. You guys like, look at me and look
Speaker 1: at you. I'm very red. Oh my god. It was
Speaker 1: such a weird, like when you had that moment at
Speaker 1: the dock and you were like, oh, this scene. I
Speaker 1: popped up out of Lucia's back seat and I went,
Speaker 1: oh god, this scene. Oh no, I couldn't even look
Speaker 1: at it. And I remember, Oh, and Hillary, you called
Speaker 1: me out. You were like, you went from all girls
Speaker 1: school to this. I was like, I can't talk about it,
Speaker 1: Like I I remember being in there and like understanding.
Speaker 1: They were like, you know, you're doing this thing, and
Speaker 1: and you've really got to try to seduce him. And
Speaker 1: they just kept telling me to be sexier. They were
Speaker 1: like everything you say, you know, an invitation. And I
Speaker 1: look back and I'm like, oh god, a bunch of
Speaker 1: creepy old dudes wrote this and then like told me
Speaker 1: what their fantasy was. I don't know about that. Could
Speaker 1: you sex this up? Could you just really with every
Speaker 1: word you say, hugg that you'd like to have intercourse
Speaker 1: with this person. So waiting in the back seat is
Speaker 1: one Like, waiting in the back seat is one thing.
Speaker 1: But did you girls in high school ever change in
Speaker 1: the back seat of a car with a boy, like
Speaker 1: a boy that you liked that was driving or whatever.
Speaker 1: Really no, I know what you were kissing on TV
Speaker 1: with all that skill. Yeah. Well I also, I mean
Speaker 1: again so nerdy. I went to an all girls school, dude,
Speaker 1: Like I was driving around with girls all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did get though, being a camp counselor very good
Speaker 1: at doing a full change in my sleeping bag like Abben,
Speaker 1: because I felt weird about, like, you know, taking my
Speaker 1: clothes off around kids that weren't mine, even though that's
Speaker 1: a charge of them, Like change in my sleeping bed
Speaker 1: and just prob definitely like changed in cars all the time,
Speaker 1: but like no with a boyever, Yeah, who'd you change
Speaker 1: in front of? I don't. I mean I remember a
Speaker 1: couple of times I was there was like, I mean
Speaker 1: there was one I remember in particular, um, this boy
Speaker 1: that I kind of liked, but we don't know we
Speaker 1: were we just had to go somewhere and I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta change. But listen, part of it being a
Speaker 1: theater kid, I was so comfortable going backstage and you
Speaker 1: just there's quick changes and you don't think twice about it,
Speaker 1: and it's not like your body. It's like your body.
Speaker 1: You just gotta like change. But did you do dance too.
Speaker 1: I did, so you there's a body awareness that dancers
Speaker 1: have that like clunky people like me are always kind
Speaker 1: of mystified by like wow, they know what their joints
Speaker 1: are supposed to do. But I remember feeling I also,
Speaker 1: you know, I was my bibs were developing. It was
Speaker 1: high school, like I was getting attention from boys. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like there was all kinds of other things.
Speaker 1: Is that when you were doing your hoop earrings and
Speaker 1: oh yeah that full on like a dark liner with
Speaker 1: the with the frosty lip and uh the nineties, So
Speaker 1: hold on Real Life and then TV Life Brooke and
Speaker 1: Enjoy or Broken Hailey, and then Sophia and joy flip
Speaker 1: flopped like little Joyce changing with dudes. Sophia is an
Speaker 1: all girl and now Sophia slutted up on the show.
Speaker 1: They really they took this episode to paint you too
Speaker 1: as polar opposites. They really did. They really did. And
Speaker 1: I will say the thing that that I loved that
Speaker 1: we got which thinking about again, who was writing all
Speaker 1: this stuff for us? It seems even more like a
Speaker 1: miracle now. But Hill, when we had the scene, you know,
Speaker 1: in the hallway and like Brooke gets her braw back
Speaker 1: from Lucas and then you come and you know, chase
Speaker 1: me out. And I've watched myself like be more myself,
Speaker 1: Like she was just a kid who was like, no,
Speaker 1: he I think he's just nice. And you could see
Speaker 1: that that was such a change for her and something
Speaker 1: that made her feel so excited and it that seemed
Speaker 1: like innocent and youthful to me, and then she switches
Speaker 1: it right back, like That's the thing I'm remembering now
Speaker 1: watching is that Brooke Davis, when she would let her
Speaker 1: real feelings come out, would always cover it with like
Speaker 1: a it's going to be great when he sleeps with me,
Speaker 1: it's gonna try to resist. Brook actually kind of came
Speaker 1: off to me as a virgin in this in this episode,
Speaker 1: like she's like she's really trying to make everybody think
Speaker 1: something that's actually not true for whatever reason's going on
Speaker 1: in her personal life. But that's the whole thing is
Speaker 1: her through this first season, especially, what I had to
Speaker 1: find for her was that she was actually just a
Speaker 1: really scared little kid who desperately was seeking validation anywhere
Speaker 1: that she could get it, and was very willing to
Speaker 1: play the part of like I have it all together
Speaker 1: when she didn't feel like that? When when we do merch,
Speaker 1: Let's make a promise. Okay, I want Joy to make
Speaker 1: these little bracelets but out of like Rose Courts and
Speaker 1: like let's class him up. And then I need a
Speaker 1: brook Davis Cheetah bra in my life. Why don't have one?
Speaker 1: I don't know, girl, I want to push the backseat
Speaker 1: Brooks bras. Yeah, I into it. Guys, email us and
Speaker 1: tell us what you think. Would you would you buy
Speaker 1: your back seat Leopard bra and fancy crack or Jack bracelet,
Speaker 1: very chic charm bracelet? You know what I mean? What's
Speaker 1: our email address at iHeart Drama Queens at iHeart radio
Speaker 1: dot com. There it is the other thing that stood
Speaker 1: out to me so big from from the backseat. Actually
Speaker 1: there'd be a silver lining there. But when when I
Speaker 1: had to lean over and say, how many moments can
Speaker 1: you point to and say that's when it all changed? Perfect?
Speaker 1: And I keep asking him if he can feel it,
Speaker 1: like can you feel it everything changed for you today?
Speaker 1: And then you keep seeing these moments where it all
Speaker 1: changes for each of us. Peyton gets her artwork accepted
Speaker 1: at THUD and then also defends her artistic thesis. Haley.
Speaker 1: It turns around and there's Nathan in the tutoring office,
Speaker 1: and he says, I need you to tutor me. Like
Speaker 1: we had these moments that we can point to for
Speaker 1: each of our characters, and Broken says, you don't have
Speaker 1: to act this way. You know, you're the He's the
Speaker 1: first guy that's ever said that to you. We all
Speaker 1: had those little moments, and it was the beginning of
Speaker 1: seeing brooks um as sort of the voice of wisdom
Speaker 1: that she eventually became and grew grew more and more into. Oh.
Speaker 1: I love that. It was cool, it was really good
Speaker 1: and and I what I love is the foreshadowing of
Speaker 1: being in that that waxing parlor, and Brooke makes this
Speaker 1: whole thing about I want stability and I want a boyfriend,
Speaker 1: but nothing dramatic like you and Nathan. Like the foreshadowing
Speaker 1: there is so on point. M hm, that's so true. Also,
Speaker 1: we probably should talk about the Chad being naked with
Speaker 1: the basketball's Oh my god, we should talk about that Joy.
Speaker 1: You're right, okay. So apparently what they did was they
Speaker 1: cut a hole in the basketball. Wouldn't it have deflated?
Speaker 1: Is like paper machee. Um, I don't know they made
Speaker 1: it was some like big prop thing that they made
Speaker 1: for him. Where does it? Where does it live now?
Speaker 1: Where is said prop basketball now? Probably in some creepy
Speaker 1: storage bin that has like a code on the front
Speaker 1: of it in a warehouse at Warner Brothers, like somewhere
Speaker 1: in the valley and big fun episode. Um. And we
Speaker 1: also are very lucky this episode to have one of
Speaker 1: our dear friends joining us. He was here from the side. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so let's we're going to go to break, but
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere because we have a total babe waiting
Speaker 1: for you. Hey, hey, ladies and gentlemen. One of our favorite, favorite,
Speaker 1: favorite favorite co stars. They're from the very beginning. You
Speaker 1: may know him as Marvin Mouth McFadden. We know him
Speaker 1: from the Torkalsens. We know him as Minkus from Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World. Um, he's been in so many movies at
Speaker 1: this point. Um. He does all these David Fincher movies
Speaker 1: that put him on a level that makes us all jealous. Um,
Speaker 1: forty seconds whatever whatever he was in Zodiac. Also, you
Speaker 1: did like October Road with Greenberg. Yeah, we had our
Speaker 1: Christmas movie and interestingly, enough. Rhoda Griffiths, who my mother
Speaker 1: was in the episode, was just in this episode was
Speaker 1: the episode that I wasn't by the way. I was like,
Speaker 1: I had my notebook out and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not in this episode. Orous Laden, So good to
Speaker 1: see you. It's been the last time before of us
Speaker 1: were together. I don't even remember. It's insane, but so
Speaker 1: long was it a convention? Probably maybe, but I feel
Speaker 1: like Soap and Hill you were there, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if Joey made it. And like Julia, I think
Speaker 1: the last time I saw you was when we did
Speaker 1: like James and Stu Colletti's like, yeah, that's right. Although
Speaker 1: we did talk recently when you bought girls Scout cookies
Speaker 1: for my daughters cookies. We you, Sophia, myself and Brian
Speaker 1: Greenberg all got very uh giggily at a bar at
Speaker 1: a hotel in Wilmington the last time we did a
Speaker 1: convention together. There was gonna be like, guys, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna meet for like five minutes, and by two o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, we had the bartender ordering us pizza.
Speaker 1: We're like, we are you in North Carolina right now? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in North Carolina and so weird. Um, I was
Speaker 1: actually just in Wilmington's. We went down to write so
Speaker 1: Beach like two weeks ago, um, just for beach vacation,
Speaker 1: and it was so trippy to be there. It was
Speaker 1: coincided with the release of your first episode, so of
Speaker 1: course I'm like listening in the car as I'm grabbing
Speaker 1: to Wilmington's and literally was like, you know, seeing all
Speaker 1: the places and like being a Tower seven and just
Speaker 1: feeling like really connected to it in a different way.
Speaker 1: So did you get the job of of Mouth? Like
Speaker 1: how did that come together for you? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: this first season was so crazy for me because or
Speaker 1: in the pilot, UM, I was in school at wake Forest,
Speaker 1: which is in Winston Salem, North Carolina, for anybody that
Speaker 1: doesn't know, which is like three and a half hours
Speaker 1: from Wilmington, where we shot. And you know, I had
Speaker 1: done those shows as a kid, and I sort of
Speaker 1: kept an agent around. But by the time I got
Speaker 1: to college, I had seen kids like come into Women's
Speaker 1: World for get a line and get fired, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, this is this is like a business.
Speaker 1: This isn't just you know, fun saying lines or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I at that point was like, well, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: go to law school. Like when I was at waiting,
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to do. Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like being an actor, right, you're a lawyer. You
Speaker 1: get up and you you know, poetic, and so that's
Speaker 1: what I was thought I was going to do. And
Speaker 1: then the audition for Ravens once Hill, you know, got
Speaker 1: sent to my agent. I knew it was shooting in Wilmington.
Speaker 1: My agent was like, just go to Wilmington's and audition.
Speaker 1: All my friends were going on spring break. They were
Speaker 1: like going to Cancoon getting wasted, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: no one in Wellington did auditioned for the show. Another
Speaker 1: year from it whatever. Um, and then you know I
Speaker 1: did it and they brought me back into I guess
Speaker 1: you like a chemistry read but Colin Ficus, So that
Speaker 1: was my chemist like testing you know, Jimmy and Mouth
Speaker 1: together and and the Colin is someone that I knew.
Speaker 1: We grew up like auditioning in North Carolina together for stuff.
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, that's how it came about. And I
Speaker 1: have to give a lot of credit to Wake Forest.
Speaker 1: They were really cool to let me do the pilot
Speaker 1: and then to do the first season. You know, I
Speaker 1: was recurring, so I not being a regular. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to. I really wanted to graduate eight because I was.
Speaker 1: It was my senior year at wake when we were
Speaker 1: shooting the first season. So I was driving back and
Speaker 1: forth that first year between wait And and Wilmington's writing
Speaker 1: papers in the trailer all night at the River Court,
Speaker 1: driving back to Wake Forest, taking a test on like
Speaker 1: two hours of sleep, getting back in my car, coming
Speaker 1: back to Wilmington. But it was, you know, it was crazy,
Speaker 1: but it was so worth it because I got to
Speaker 1: graduate and I got to do this show that I
Speaker 1: had no idea would take me ten years of my life. Dude,
Speaker 1: weren't you in like an acapella group to remember in
Speaker 1: a group? Of course I was. Of course I was
Speaker 1: an acapella nerd, Hillary, you know I was. I loved it.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, hey man, the group's performing on Thursday,
Speaker 1: because check out, Yeah, dude, our group. Our group was
Speaker 1: the first co ed acapella group on campus. That was
Speaker 1: like a big deal that it was men and women,
Speaker 1: like this is a southern college. Like it was like
Speaker 1: we were like the risky kids that like I could
Speaker 1: have girls and guys in the same group, like, what
Speaker 1: are they risky? Occupec kids? Was your jam? What was like?
Speaker 1: What was the jam that you guys performed? So we
Speaker 1: sang sexual Healing and I sang it with a girl,
Speaker 1: my friend, Susie, and it was, Oh my god, had
Speaker 1: you hung out in Wilmington's before? Yeah, you know, growing up?
Speaker 1: And I grew up in North Carolina. When I wasn't
Speaker 1: in l A shooting the shows, I always came back
Speaker 1: to North Carolina because this is where my family and
Speaker 1: friends were. And so I had done two episodes of
Speaker 1: Dawson's just as like little throwaway characters and had gotten
Speaker 1: kind of a peak at that world and a lot
Speaker 1: of our crew. Um, and I did all those terrible
Speaker 1: TV movies in the nineties where I was like the
Speaker 1: kidnapped and battered, an abused child. Give us some names,
Speaker 1: give us names any place, but home was the name
Speaker 1: of one. And I was actually kidnapped, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to go home because Alan Dick was my dad
Speaker 1: and he was abusing. I mean, oh my god, even
Speaker 1: make this stuff up. But actually that brings up a
Speaker 1: good point because you having grown up in this business. Um,
Speaker 1: I kind of grew up. I started when I was twelve,
Speaker 1: but I think you were younger when you started right
Speaker 1: when I was nine when I did the Twitters, So
Speaker 1: you really grew up in this business. I mean, what
Speaker 1: was that like from your perspective coming into Wilmington's and
Speaker 1: seeing a bunch of us who were, like, you know,
Speaker 1: some people who were super novice at seventeen eighteen. I
Speaker 1: had been around a little bit longer, but you know,
Speaker 1: you you must have known so much more about the
Speaker 1: business and what the expectations were, and you know kind
Speaker 1: of watched us stumbling through it. What was that like? No,
Speaker 1: it was I mean you were so helpful like that.
Speaker 1: I mean I I just remember coming in and you know,
Speaker 1: again sort of picking up one what I was just saying,
Speaker 1: watching kids get fired, Like I came in with this
Speaker 1: very it's ingrained in you as a child actor. You're
Speaker 1: like or back then it was like you hit your mark,
Speaker 1: you know your lines, you don't ruffle feathers. You know.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to work and be there, and so
Speaker 1: I just tried to you know, I was always the
Speaker 1: first one in the van to go to like, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to give them any reason because I
Speaker 1: love doing the show and I loved you guys, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to you know, the Mouth was just a
Speaker 1: total literally a sideline character just had, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the start. So I had no idea
Speaker 1: whether they would keep writing for me or not. In fact, Sophia,
Speaker 1: I remember one night we were in like I heart
Speaker 1: New York Pizza after do you remember that place downtown?
Speaker 1: We'd had some drinks or whatever, and like, I just
Speaker 1: was convinced that they weren't bringing me back, and I
Speaker 1: was like, guys, it's been nice knowing you. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed getting to meet you. Like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: see you, and so if you're like, shut up, we're
Speaker 1: gonna make them bring you back. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea, you know, I just I was like,
Speaker 1: you are not leaving, not allow it, but no, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just coming in. I you know, it was
Speaker 1: a totally different world than doing something like Going Meets World,
Speaker 1: which was the sitcom and was so contained. And I
Speaker 1: was really inspired by you guys because I watched you,
Speaker 1: you know, taking on these We were we were still kids, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, but we were growing up really quickly, quickly
Speaker 1: and figuring out these roles and figuring out things behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. And yeah, when I saw you guys stand
Speaker 1: up for things, I was like, Oh, that's can we
Speaker 1: even do that? Like that's amazing. These girls don't know
Speaker 1: the rules. That's what I'm like. I'm wondering if you
Speaker 1: just sat back and watched a step in land Mine
Speaker 1: after land Mine and you're like, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget a day where I got really frustrated
Speaker 1: on set and we were all in our castairs and
Speaker 1: Lee just looked at me. It was it was that
Speaker 1: scene on the quad, you know which one I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: And Lee just looked at me. He goes, well, tomorrow
Speaker 1: is a new day. Like it was like, like I'm
Speaker 1: an ideold character actor with a crete you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You'll be fine, kid. No. I was so
Speaker 1: inspired by you guys, and Hillary, you were so sweet
Speaker 1: to me at the pilot. Um. I remember I came
Speaker 1: in because Joy and so you guys hadn't gotten there yet.
Speaker 1: And Hill, I remember you came in and I need
Speaker 1: you from MTV and I thought you were like, You're
Speaker 1: gorgeous and smart and just like the epitome of cool.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was just like number what twelve
Speaker 1: on the call sheet, like no one had to be
Speaker 1: nice to me and you and you were like, look,
Speaker 1: my brothers don't care about Chad Michael Murray. They care
Speaker 1: about Minkus like they were. So you made me feel
Speaker 1: so at ease, and I I always like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I probably made you sign things. I was like,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna need you to sign some Stuff's
Speaker 1: World was like a huge deal when we were growing up.
Speaker 1: You were on a hit hit show and like us,
Speaker 1: doing the pilot at Onetrey Hill, no one ever thought
Speaker 1: that would go, you know, so you were the godfather.
Speaker 1: You know that it actually done it. How long did
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World run? Um? I think they did. I
Speaker 1: don't know, six or seven seasons. But the thing about
Speaker 1: that is is I only did the first season and
Speaker 1: people people don't realize that. I think they really sometimes
Speaker 1: think I was there first. Yeah. I mean the thing
Speaker 1: about the character was it was so you know, it
Speaker 1: was such a fun and memorable character that I think
Speaker 1: people just and then I came back later and did
Speaker 1: like an episode where they graduated from high school and
Speaker 1: they brought me back. And then when they did their
Speaker 1: union show, they were cool enough to bring me in
Speaker 1: and um, so yeah, you know, And honestly, I have
Speaker 1: to say, I'm really glad actually that it worked out
Speaker 1: the way it did, because I don't know that I
Speaker 1: would have gotten the opportunity to do our show, to
Speaker 1: do One Tree Hill if I'd been on that the
Speaker 1: whole time, because you know how it is, you get
Speaker 1: locked into those roles and you guys knew that we'd
Speaker 1: be out, like you know, and people would scream mankas
Speaker 1: from across the bar, and it's like, yeah, if I
Speaker 1: had been from one season, that's right. So that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. I almost feel like it was kind of
Speaker 1: fortuitous that, you know, I wasn't just so locked in,
Speaker 1: even though I sort of. So. The subtext here is
Speaker 1: that Lee can take a couple episodes and make an
Speaker 1: iconic right, why do you seans? David Spin keeps calling
Speaker 1: you you guys, I need to talk to you more often.
Speaker 1: Basketball girls, That's right? Were you a basketball fan when
Speaker 1: you start? I mean you had a lot of die
Speaker 1: This was like a like a medical jargon or like
Speaker 1: a legal jargon, the round that you just had to like,
Speaker 1: I mean, how is that for you? Yeah? No, I was.
Speaker 1: I was because I was at wake Forest, which is
Speaker 1: a big ACC basketball school, So I came in for
Speaker 1: the audition. I was actually wearing my it was called
Speaker 1: like the Freaking Deacons because the Demon Deacons were our mascot.
Speaker 1: And I was into like the basketball club that like
Speaker 1: the fans that like and you sweet little bunny, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved it. There was no way I
Speaker 1: was ever going to play basketball, but you know, I
Speaker 1: loved what, you know, so um, yeah, No, I was
Speaker 1: a fan and that was you know, nice for me
Speaker 1: to to sort of channel that and bring that into
Speaker 1: those early days when that's really all he was. Um,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until you know, like later in the
Speaker 1: season when the cheerleading and the brooken Mouth wy toy
Speaker 1: stuff that they really starting to kind of flesh him out.
Speaker 1: I loved that the most. That's like truly one of
Speaker 1: my favorite storylines of my whole nine years. But I'm
Speaker 1: curious about the the jargon in the lingo, like you
Speaker 1: being part of that whole basketball scene at wake Forest.
Speaker 1: Were there um, were there like college basketball reporters that
Speaker 1: you were listening to prep to like learn the way
Speaker 1: they talk, and there he goes down like it's such
Speaker 1: a way that they do that. I probably should have
Speaker 1: been doing that, but I don't. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: watched a lot of ESPN in general, so you just yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing about Mouth is is he was he
Speaker 1: didn't have to be professional, Like this was a kid
Speaker 1: who was just passionate and was sort of you know
Speaker 1: he was he was, you know, the nerdy kid who
Speaker 1: was who was trying to find his voice. So I didn't.
Speaker 1: I think the great thing was I didn't have to
Speaker 1: be perfect at it. There was room to kind of
Speaker 1: be like a novice about it. Um. I think it
Speaker 1: was just enough that I sort of naturally enjoyed watching
Speaker 1: the game. But yeah, it was it was a It
Speaker 1: was a and like sitting on that picnic bench at
Speaker 1: the river court, I asked, was like after sitting there,
Speaker 1: all you know would be out there like all night
Speaker 1: insta bonding. There's no other business I can think of
Speaker 1: where it's like this. I mean maybe maybe military, I
Speaker 1: don't know where. You just get thrown in with people,
Speaker 1: a bunch of people you don't know, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Europe all night together. You're spending long hours
Speaker 1: and like lots of time sitting around, lots of time
Speaker 1: just quietly available to talk and you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: really cool. Did you did you feel because you were
Speaker 1: there for all those River Court nights and everything that
Speaker 1: was your gig, So did you feel like you were
Speaker 1: able to really connect in with the whole group or
Speaker 1: did you feel like, yeah, so what was your experience
Speaker 1: like in the first season those I don't know about
Speaker 1: you guys, but those are always my favorite scenes when
Speaker 1: they got all of us together and we just got
Speaker 1: you know, it was three in and we're just you know,
Speaker 1: Goofy Moss is singing like the theme song to the
Speaker 1: Golden Girls, and we're just like like where you know
Speaker 1: that that was the most fun And I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, being and what really struck me because you
Speaker 1: your podcast has inspired Andrew and I. We've gone back
Speaker 1: and started watching it now because we're like watching all
Speaker 1: these other shows in Quarantine and stuff, so you know,
Speaker 1: we started going back until we watched the pilot this
Speaker 1: weekend and through up through this episode, and it's just
Speaker 1: so crazy to me, like to see, especially in this episode,
Speaker 1: you see so much of downtown at the River, the
Speaker 1: river Walk and all of that, and to think that
Speaker 1: that was the backdrop for our show, but that was
Speaker 1: the backdrop for our real lives too. So it's like
Speaker 1: I've seen these the steps that they're sitting on for
Speaker 1: the burning boat thing, and like, that's the steps that
Speaker 1: we were, like, you know, kind of buzzed on it too.
Speaker 1: I am talking about Greenberg playing a guitar exactly. It's
Speaker 1: just so surreal. But yeah, those are by far my
Speaker 1: favorite scenes, you know, m hmm, Lee, were there any
Speaker 1: like misconceptions about Mouth, anything that you know, people maybe
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand about him, or anything that you really
Speaker 1: felt you wanted people to understand about him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think as far as Mouth, um,
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about him is you see him
Speaker 1: as sort of the nice guy, um, and yet he
Speaker 1: was written in a different time. And I think this
Speaker 1: is true about all of our characters, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: there was things that were written for him that now
Speaker 1: when I go back and look at it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he should have walked up to
Speaker 1: Brooke and just kissed her without asking at the high school,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's there's just things like that,
Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, We're making a
Speaker 1: TV show and if we all just did the right
Speaker 1: thing all the time, it would be boring. So I
Speaker 1: understood that it was like heightened and um different, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. There were things where he
Speaker 1: like threw the brick at the windshield of Brooks car
Speaker 1: and I was like, what where does this come from?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean reading the strips and end
Speaker 1: like here's the job actor and me, I gotta keep
Speaker 1: this job, so I'm just gonna do whatever, or just
Speaker 1: like you know, Hillary Hillary, Like in the later season,
Speaker 1: Matt Mouth is like in a fat suit and I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this? Like idea about this? Just
Speaker 1: like you know, we did our Christmas movie a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago and we're all standing like a Hampton
Speaker 1: Inn in Louisiana and Lee would come over at the
Speaker 1: end of the workday and we just talked about stuff
Speaker 1: that same we like we've all kind of decompressed together.
Speaker 1: And Lee's like, oh, yeah, do you remember like when
Speaker 1: Mouth was in a fat suit? And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I totally missed all of that,
Speaker 1: So I don't misconcert these aren't so much misconceptions. It's
Speaker 1: just I think that he can be viewed through a
Speaker 1: different lens now. And my hope is that I always
Speaker 1: no matter what was written, I just I always wanted
Speaker 1: people to see his his real heart, that he wanted
Speaker 1: to be a loyal and good friend. Whether he always
Speaker 1: did the right thing is is definitely up for debate,
Speaker 1: But I hope that because it was important for me
Speaker 1: to be on the show. I mean there was there
Speaker 1: was pushback when they went to make me a regular.
Speaker 1: Then work was like, well, it doesn't look like a model,
Speaker 1: and it's like, come on, guys, like you know how
Speaker 1: many James and Chad's you need? Like I thought what
Speaker 1: was cool about our show was that it was it
Speaker 1: was a little more grounded and it was nice a
Speaker 1: human face looking back. And so I I've always, of
Speaker 1: course been protective of him because I spent so long
Speaker 1: playing him, but you know, I understand that there are
Speaker 1: people that that can feel differently about them. So did
Speaker 1: the writers ever, Like, did you have input with the
Speaker 1: writers when at some point as you got as you
Speaker 1: stayed longer and got more comfortable like just being there
Speaker 1: and being and really became a part of the show.
Speaker 1: Were there times when the writers would come to you
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, what do you have any ideas
Speaker 1: or things like that. No, that did not happen. Um.
Speaker 1: And again I think it all stems from that just
Speaker 1: how I was raised. So like, I'm just gonna see
Speaker 1: this through. Um. But and I do want to be
Speaker 1: careful to there. There are writers on the show that
Speaker 1: I love and then I'm friends with and listen storylines
Speaker 1: for these all of these characters for nine years. It's
Speaker 1: no wonder that I ended up in the fatcy. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, at some point, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do for these characters? So I want to
Speaker 1: be careful and say I loved playing him. He was
Speaker 1: a great character. He got to do funny stuff, he
Speaker 1: got to do drama, so you know, I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 1: But was special because he was the everyman, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like Mouth represented every kid in high
Speaker 1: school that wasn't captain of the basketball team, it wasn't
Speaker 1: captain of the Chilean squad. Like, He's an important person
Speaker 1: for our fan base to be able to connect to. However,
Speaker 1: Mouth pulled chicks, like every chick on the show had
Speaker 1: a Mouth episode, is what I'm saying, we had our
Speaker 1: our go cart rendezvous. What was and what was your romance?
Speaker 1: Would you guys do? I took Mouth to a strip
Speaker 1: club right, Limma, we were all dressed up. Oh God,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to that episode and figure
Speaker 1: out what in God's name we were doing. But I
Speaker 1: just remember that Lee and I were both so uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and you know, this had to be Brooke Davis's idea,
Speaker 1: of course, and we and I am like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: And the writers were like, It's gonna be great. And
Speaker 1: I was like, um, I feel really uncomfortable, and you,
Speaker 1: sweet Angel, you were like, I just this feels I
Speaker 1: don't know, and you just kept putting your hands up
Speaker 1: because like you don't want the girls to think you're
Speaker 1: going to try to touch them. And so the girls
Speaker 1: that had been hired to like be these I mean
Speaker 1: they were strippers who were hired to come on the show,
Speaker 1: drew us little notes and smiley faces and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so they were pasties because like they knew we were
Speaker 1: just yeahs like little spot what that was a stripping thing?
Speaker 1: This story work around to Joy saying I did that then?
Speaker 1: Were someone in the back of a high school boys,
Speaker 1: Car was a pilot I did later and I had
Speaker 1: to do my first like sex scene and I had
Speaker 1: pasties on and I just did in glitter like up
Speaker 1: here with arrows like you know, someone at my face?
Speaker 1: Yeah stop. It was another one multiple strip club opportunities
Speaker 1: on our show where gold I became the stripper later.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. How long did it take before you were
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to show us your dance moves? Because for
Speaker 1: anybody that doesn't know, Lee is the best dancer on
Speaker 1: the show. So good. Well, I mean that was in
Speaker 1: my younger age. Now now I have a two year
Speaker 1: old and I can't even bend over. But you know,
Speaker 1: well I think you guys, I've heard you talk about
Speaker 1: this on the yearlier episodes, Like we saw pieces of
Speaker 1: ourselves start to being worked into the characters. And we
Speaker 1: would go out, I have some drinks or whatever, and
Speaker 1: we would do blow off scene. We would go to
Speaker 1: like Oliver Twists, and it was eighties and night we
Speaker 1: would go out and just dancing. We were having fun, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, but do you remember like downtown Wilmington's and
Speaker 1: it being a big deal to get into Oliver Twists,
Speaker 1: Like you don't read the line and Wilmington like you
Speaker 1: were in Manhattan or something. Guys were on the list. Well,
Speaker 1: and then we can only go to certain places because
Speaker 1: James could only get into like certain places. Not that
Speaker 1: he was doing anything illegal, not at all, not that
Speaker 1: he wasn't twenty one yet. But Lee, I will say,
Speaker 1: like you and I laid the foundation of our friendship
Speaker 1: on loving hip hop and going dancing. Do you remember,
Speaker 1: of course I do. He loved we loved the Oh
Speaker 1: my God that that is our song. You would be like,
Speaker 1: you know, we would be like across the like bar
Speaker 1: or what ever if this song would come along and
Speaker 1: it was like the Red Sea would part because Lee
Speaker 1: and I would be screaming, running toward each other like
Speaker 1: some weird drunken version of like a slow mo love
Speaker 1: moment in like an eighties movie, and we just hit
Speaker 1: the middle of the floor and like we'd get the
Speaker 1: whole bar dancing. And this didn't happen once, it happened
Speaker 1: all the home, like all the time. That's how we
Speaker 1: became friends with Jane Beck because she heard we would
Speaker 1: like go out dancing, so she started coming with us.
Speaker 1: And then Jane would do push ups on the edge
Speaker 1: of the pool tables of it up at Steph's bar,
Speaker 1: the one upstairs Odessa, Yes, and we were all like,
Speaker 1: Jane's the coolest person we've ever met. And and for
Speaker 1: everyone listening at home, Jane beck Is, you know, one
Speaker 1: of our very best friends from the show, worked in
Speaker 1: our wardrobe department for years. Is like a brilliant, badass,
Speaker 1: creative woman who also is the strongest person I've ever
Speaker 1: met and can do push ups in a handstand. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I have to say to guys who are listening,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to get on the
Speaker 1: dance floor. Yeah. I mean this is how I met
Speaker 1: my wife, Like, yeah, I can always get the ladies
Speaker 1: with tons of guys standing on the side, and they're
Speaker 1: not gonna they're not gonna get in here, So go out,
Speaker 1: do it, have fun and you never know what's going
Speaker 1: to take you. But yeah, then it first showed up
Speaker 1: in the script, you know, three episodes later where mouths
Speaker 1: like spying on cheerleaders and learns that oh god, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's so precious. What was your favorite episode? Ly,
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Um, I mean I had different ones
Speaker 1: for different reasons. I mean I think I think three
Speaker 1: sixteen school shooting is like obviously important for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons, not just the obvious ones about the subject matter,
Speaker 1: but also like the whole you know, we didn't know
Speaker 1: if the show was going to make it because that's
Speaker 1: when the networks were combining and we were I think
Speaker 1: we all felt like sort of spur to try to
Speaker 1: do something to prove like we're worthy to like continue
Speaker 1: on or whatever. So that one special, and then I
Speaker 1: love I love the honestly, I love the last the
Speaker 1: very last episode where Mouth gets to give his speech
Speaker 1: about what you do matters and how you do it matters,
Speaker 1: and they set up a scholarship fund based on Jimmy
Speaker 1: and all that. So there's pieces of different ones. But
Speaker 1: and then all the time we went on trips, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just so fun. Whenever it was like sleeping
Speaker 1: fund traveling buddy. Let's just put it that he's also
Speaker 1: the guy that you want in your corner. We're going
Speaker 1: to get into a little segment in one second, but
Speaker 1: before we do that, I need everyone to know if
Speaker 1: you're ever at a wedding and you need to sit
Speaker 1: next to someone that will get you in trouble, it
Speaker 1: is Leonora's we went to Tyler Hilton's wedding together and
Speaker 1: they sat us at the actor table at the reception,
Speaker 1: and an actor who will remain names, who was a
Speaker 1: much more fa miss than we are. After we tried
Speaker 1: to include them in our conversation because right, like, we're
Speaker 1: all like small town southern kids, like, hey, man, let's
Speaker 1: be friends. You know that you engage when you meet strangers.
Speaker 1: Was this person by themselves at the wedding? No, they
Speaker 1: were with their girlfriend. But Lee and I try to
Speaker 1: get this person to like engage, and we idea right,
Speaker 1: and so we're like, hey, what's up? And they just
Speaker 1: stood up and walked away, just like left. And so
Speaker 1: as the night progresses and Lee and I are on
Speaker 1: the dance floor and drinking drinks and having a great night,
Speaker 1: the whole rest of the night will have to beat this.
Speaker 1: Lee would yell out across the wedding, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, it's such a strong move to know who
Speaker 1: your circle of friends are and to be like, we're
Speaker 1: going to roll deep tonight friends and I don't care
Speaker 1: that it's someone's nuptials, going for it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so phenomenally. Your wedding was the best like I
Speaker 1: have seen photos from your wedding where I'm just like,
Speaker 1: who is that person I was dancing with? And then
Speaker 1: like there's we were all just raging. It was like
Speaker 1: a sea of bodies. It was like a music festival,
Speaker 1: but it was also like a very beautiful, gorgeous like
Speaker 1: North Carolina on the water event, but like, we just
Speaker 1: can't help ourselves. We turned it into we turned into
Speaker 1: a rager. If you're in the same room. The wedding
Speaker 1: planner was like, do you want a band or a DJ?
Speaker 1: That's like the big question when you're having wed and
Speaker 1: I was like, looking around Wilmington, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's any bands that are gonna be able
Speaker 1: to pull off yinging twins. They brought in a DJ
Speaker 1: and we just you know, I loved it when that
Speaker 1: song turned Andrea is so sweet, y'all. Andrea's Lee's wife,
Speaker 1: and our song came on and she just literally did
Speaker 1: you to me and I was like, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: sister friend. This moment I know Andrea loves me because
Speaker 1: of that moment. God, and I mean all the years
Speaker 1: of our friendship obviously, but Leonorris, the moment I realized
Speaker 1: you really loved me and that we were like really
Speaker 1: in it and we'd become best friends. Was when two
Speaker 1: might have been three years into our friendship, you finally
Speaker 1: admitted to me that you do not ever allow anyone
Speaker 1: to eat off your plate ever. I have eaten off
Speaker 1: of your plate since second night we had dinner together.
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh, that was delicious. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try that. And Lee, I didn't know it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and he would eat around the bites
Speaker 1: I had taken for months but didn't have the heart
Speaker 1: to like break my little Italian like family style spirit.
Speaker 1: And eventually he got over it, and would you know,
Speaker 1: we would just share food. But you told me years later,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you sweet human, Well, there was
Speaker 1: something clearly wrong with me. I don't know why. It
Speaker 1: was just one of those weird things, but like I don't.
Speaker 1: I grew up as an only child as as you
Speaker 1: did so and so I just wasn't used to like
Speaker 1: that feast or fam and environment of like you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't touch my things. Guys, God, we do
Speaker 1: a segment here called Deep Thoughts with the drama Queen's Lee.
Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna do with all our guests. Um, joy,
Speaker 1: why don't you hit him with some deep thoughts? All right?
Speaker 1: So Lee, Um, I would like to hear what your
Speaker 1: favorite and least favorite storyline with your character was that
Speaker 1: you remember. I know we were saying, you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to remember all them because it's a lot of
Speaker 1: episodes and a lot of in and out. So I mean,
Speaker 1: but whatever comes to mind. Yeah, yeah, there's too many.
Speaker 1: I mean that I think one of one of my
Speaker 1: favorite I can't pin down a favorite. One of my
Speaker 1: favorites was just the way the whole storyline with Jimmy
Speaker 1: Edwards played out, with Colin being a friend of mine
Speaker 1: and him coming back and doing that amazing, powerful performance
Speaker 1: and I know you'll have him on to talk about that.
Speaker 1: So doing that, and then like the follow up episode
Speaker 1: where like mouth gets um I think, takes Jimmy's your
Speaker 1: book and like gets it signed by everyone and takes
Speaker 1: it to Jimmy Edwards mom, who was played by the sweet,
Speaker 1: amazing actress who's in North Carolina, who's a professor E.
Speaker 1: N c W who was just like she started crying
Speaker 1: in the scene and I started crying. I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know that those are that was a really that
Speaker 1: was a favorite. I loved the relationship with Brooke. I
Speaker 1: loved that it evolved from this him having a crush
Speaker 1: on everything to just being you know, like like we
Speaker 1: are like like friends, like good friends, you know, and
Speaker 1: just um. I always loved those scenes. Um least favorite
Speaker 1: when I mean the facts, you know, just whatever. I
Speaker 1: can't wait till we get there. It has so much
Speaker 1: has been made of this thing, and I can't wrap
Speaker 1: my head around it, you know. I think the other
Speaker 1: one that I that I sometimes crunch about was like
Speaker 1: mouth in his he like cooked up with his boss
Speaker 1: at the TV station, and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. I was challenging that. You know. Again, it's
Speaker 1: just it's hard. It's hard to come up with stree lines.
Speaker 1: But you know, for in general, I really I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So, and what about when you're
Speaker 1: if you have a friend who's like coming to Wilmington's,
Speaker 1: tell us what your number one must do? I mean,
Speaker 1: especially being a North Carolina boy, Like what what do
Speaker 1: you tell your friend? Hey, here's what you gotta hit
Speaker 1: when you're all about food, Um, so don't share your plate,
Speaker 1: but you have to go to you have to go
Speaker 1: to Brasserie and you have to get their mac and cheese,
Speaker 1: which I just did two weeks ago, and Brassy Yes,
Speaker 1: I love that. We all still go there. That's where
Speaker 1: I had dinner when I was tart Um. Go there
Speaker 1: and get them back and cheese. Go to Tower seven
Speaker 1: and just everything there. Margarita's I would give for a
Speaker 1: Tower seven moment right now, I know. And then sadly
Speaker 1: Deluxe is no longer Deluxe, but the space is still there.
Speaker 1: It's it's something it's called something else. But is it
Speaker 1: a similar vibe from Deluxe, Yeah it is. It's still
Speaker 1: got like that nice exposed brick bar. I mean, if
Speaker 1: anybody really is a fan of the show and wants
Speaker 1: to see where we like lived our lives and aired
Speaker 1: out some some talks like the bar at at I
Speaker 1: think it's called pinpoint now, like just sit there and like, well,
Speaker 1: do you know when we shot the pilot, the Dawson's
Speaker 1: Creek kids were still wrapping their last season, and like
Speaker 1: we would just watch them in the window of Dilus,
Speaker 1: like okay, and the second they've vacated the premises, that's
Speaker 1: when we like infiltrated and we're like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: it's ours. I think about that bar, and I think
Speaker 1: about that amazing line we all loved from the first
Speaker 1: episode when Karen says that place knows too much Deluxe
Speaker 1: Nos Deluxe and Fire Belly Fire Belly. All I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: didn't they have like super cheap tacos at Firebelly? You
Speaker 1: get a talk like fifty cents? Yep? Hillary, I think
Speaker 1: you and I used to go like we would meet
Speaker 1: each other on like, yeah, I lived a bottle. They
Speaker 1: would order that beer Ho Garden for me because that's
Speaker 1: the beer that I liked. And when I moved, they
Speaker 1: gave me all the cases that they had in the basement.
Speaker 1: They were like, no one else drinks. So if you're moving,
Speaker 1: I'm curious from your perspective, as I mean, you were
Speaker 1: there with us and in so we have all these
Speaker 1: onset memories and we were saying, it's hard. It was
Speaker 1: hard to separate what the audience was seeing and why
Speaker 1: the show kind of took on this pop culture zeitgeist
Speaker 1: like phenomenal, like just went went off and blew up. God,
Speaker 1: I can't talk um, but you know what I'm saying, So,
Speaker 1: so like you know, for all of us it was
Speaker 1: hard to really see why and how that happened and
Speaker 1: what that was like for the audience because we were
Speaker 1: they were all wrapped up with the behind the scenes
Speaker 1: stuff that we were experiencing. Um. But because you were
Speaker 1: in and out a little bit more, what can you
Speaker 1: explain a little bit about why? Like why do you
Speaker 1: think the show just took off the way that it
Speaker 1: did and stuck. Yeah, that's a great question. I think
Speaker 1: I think particularly being at Wake Forest as a senior
Speaker 1: in college while we while the first season started airing,
Speaker 1: Like when the pilot aired, I was at Wake and
Speaker 1: my friends like through a premier party and the like
Speaker 1: in the auditorium and the like communications auditory in and
Speaker 1: like my friend made cookies and you know, we're we
Speaker 1: were in the sea. It's like watching it. And I
Speaker 1: was like telling them all. I was like because EOC
Speaker 1: had just come out and we were like there was
Speaker 1: all this fanfare, and I was like, well, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the O C but better hopefully, and like
Speaker 1: it's a little more like North Carolina and you know,
Speaker 1: I just less sexy, less sexy. Um, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was an interesting perspective to be able to
Speaker 1: see like real kids like watching it and reacting to it.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I think it's a it's a lot of
Speaker 1: what you guys have touched on, I think, Um, I think,
Speaker 1: just to be perfectly honest, I think you three are
Speaker 1: a huge reason of why the vulnerability and the things
Speaker 1: that you guys tapped in into his actresses. Um, it
Speaker 1: just felt a little more real and grounded I think
Speaker 1: than some of the other stuff that was out there. Um.
Speaker 1: And I love that we started with that small town
Speaker 1: feel and then it wasn't all like you know, kids
Speaker 1: just rich kids like that. There was that sort of
Speaker 1: soul to it. I think that's what drew you know,
Speaker 1: all of us who had his actors even so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just watching that play out at school and seeing
Speaker 1: kids reactions, that's a lot of what I saw. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's cool to go back now and
Speaker 1: watch it and as an adult and see it clicking
Speaker 1: in different ways and as a dad and kind of
Speaker 1: just you know, it's totally different. Yeah, now that you're
Speaker 1: a dad, like Lee, you've done a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: You've done a ton of TV, you've done a ton
Speaker 1: of movies, like like in this chapter, what would you
Speaker 1: want to do next me. I want like a cushy
Speaker 1: Disney Channel job where I just play a mom that
Speaker 1: comes like wags my finger and then I go home.
Speaker 1: You know, Like, what's what's your dream gig at this
Speaker 1: point in your career. I don't know. I mean, I honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel so lucky, Like I feel really fulfilled in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I mean, for me, any character
Speaker 1: that is, like even going off and doing the little
Speaker 1: role in Zodiac was so fun for me because it
Speaker 1: wasn't a nice kid. It was this creepy kid who's
Speaker 1: out with this married woman and like he's wearing three
Speaker 1: layers of clothes and like something's up with this kid? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, just playing certain off characters is kind of
Speaker 1: fun for me because it's just so different than the
Speaker 1: quintessential nice guy or nerdy character. So anything that offers
Speaker 1: depth like that is fun. But you know, I'll still
Speaker 1: do the nice guy stuff to you. And what's Greyhound about?
Speaker 1: Tell us about Greg? That's your next prod. So Greyhound
Speaker 1: was this amazing movie that was supposed to have a great,
Speaker 1: you know, big release in theaters pre COVID obviously, um
Speaker 1: and so when Kovid came along and ended up. Apple
Speaker 1: TV snapped it up and made it available. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Tom Hanks. Um, Tom's just Tom Hanks. Guys leaves
Speaker 1: off Tom Hanks in the world. He wrote the script
Speaker 1: based on a book. UM. And you know, they asked
Speaker 1: if I wanted to audition for it. It was like
Speaker 1: Messenger number two, and I was like, I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's a Messenger forty seven if I get to
Speaker 1: hang out with Tom Hankster too, mug whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: So I did and I was so lucky to get
Speaker 1: to do it. And I spent two months in Louisiana
Speaker 1: shooting with him and other guys, and we were on
Speaker 1: this um you know, they made the fake vow of
Speaker 1: the ship and we were on a gimbal that was
Speaker 1: controlled electronically, so they were like shifting us around and
Speaker 1: throwing water on us and wind. It was like a
Speaker 1: master class to just stand five feet from Tom Hanks
Speaker 1: and watch him day in and day out, and then
Speaker 1: you know, go up and have my interactions with them,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was that's one of those
Speaker 1: jobs where it's like I don't care if this movie
Speaker 1: ever does anything I care to make from it, Like
Speaker 1: just to have that experience, Like, you know, I just
Speaker 1: feel lucky that I got to watch it and see it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's on Apple TV Plus now you can
Speaker 1: stream it if you're into World War two movies. It's
Speaker 1: really amazing to see the navy aspects of all of it.
Speaker 1: We got to talk to some actual World War Two
Speaker 1: survivors that were still alive when we were shooting, and
Speaker 1: that was like for me as I was an English
Speaker 1: major and history buff and to get to talk to
Speaker 1: those guys who are on the ships and hear about
Speaker 1: their experiences was like, I mean, just ever so well,
Speaker 1: you have to direct. Now you have to direct. You
Speaker 1: have been doing this for so long and you have
Speaker 1: such good instincts, like I just correct us. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just do you know, let's do another Christmas movie or
Speaker 1: reunion or something. To know, I just want to hang
Speaker 1: out with you Christmas and Fire Belly. It'll be Taco
Speaker 1: Christmas and Tower seven. You're in charge, and they'll be
Speaker 1: an impromptu dance off. Oh I can't wait. I actually
Speaker 1: wonder because we had so many great artists on the show.
Speaker 1: So you know, you you're married, so we can't get
Speaker 1: someone to come by your wedding but if you were
Speaker 1: going to pick any of the artists who came and
Speaker 1: played at Trek to do your next birthday party, is
Speaker 1: there someone at the time or is it just the
Speaker 1: Unyang Twins forever? Um? You know, I think, god we
Speaker 1: had we were so spoiled. I mean with every like
Speaker 1: Eryl Crowe was on the show, and um, I always
Speaker 1: loved the Jimmy World guys. I thought those guys were
Speaker 1: so nice, and um you know, we went down and
Speaker 1: like saw them in Myrtle Beach and they nicely invited
Speaker 1: us backstage. And I just love those guys and I
Speaker 1: love their music. Um god, the music was so good.
Speaker 1: I'm like watching as I'm going back and watching it now.
Speaker 1: I'm like writing down songs and I haven't heell of
Speaker 1: this because I'm not cool enough anymore to know like
Speaker 1: what the good music is. So we need iPods. We're
Speaker 1: selling Cheetah bras, We're selling joy Crystal bracelets and iPod
Speaker 1: shuffles preloaded with all the ones. Remember you remember when
Speaker 1: they gave us those little flip cans that were like
Speaker 1: the little video Yeah, oh god, what were those things
Speaker 1: called flips? They were called flips. Yeah, I'm still around
Speaker 1: guys on those All right, we're gonna do it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do an addictscavenger hunt. Okay, I know Paul still
Speaker 1: has his somewhere. I'm almost positive we know Antoine has
Speaker 1: his too. So apparently has Antoine told all of you
Speaker 1: guys this. He has tons of footage of us, tons
Speaker 1: and tons and tons, And I'm like, are you going
Speaker 1: to turn it into a documentary? And He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, sis, maybe and I'm just like, oh god,
Speaker 1: oh god, maybe maybe we should look at it. We'll
Speaker 1: have a screening night. I can't even imagine what he has.
Speaker 1: It's exciting. Um, Lee, will you come back, come back
Speaker 1: and just like visit us all the time. I'll come
Speaker 1: back anytime. You don't even have to record it. I
Speaker 1: just want to hang out with you, guys. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you're doing this. And yeah, Andrew and I are
Speaker 1: going to be listening and watching along. So yes, I
Speaker 1: would love to kiss Andrea, kiss the baby. I love
Speaker 1: you guys, please, I will love you guys by ray
Speaker 1: thing Bud. I just love him so much, honestly, like Leaves,
Speaker 1: who you call when you need to bury your body,
Speaker 1: is so good and so talented. Honestly, I'm not even
Speaker 1: joking when when I like, you know, kid, that he
Speaker 1: creates iconic characters, he does. He really understands the layers.
Speaker 1: I mean he built in a lot of layers into
Speaker 1: mouth that easily could have just been like a one
Speaker 1: note thing, and he built a lot of layers in
Speaker 1: And when you watch the way he works, you know
Speaker 1: he gave the same kind of dedication of character and
Speaker 1: empathy and intellect on our Funny Little c W show
Speaker 1: as he does working with David Fincher, working with Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: I mean, he shows up and is so just good
Speaker 1: and creative. I it's funny, you know when he talks
Speaker 1: about standing with with Tom Hanks and it feeling like
Speaker 1: a master class. I remember I have like flashes of
Speaker 1: days on set where we'd be doing something and I
Speaker 1: every once in a while I have a thought of,
Speaker 1: like you get back in the scene, because I'd be
Speaker 1: watching Lee work and then I'd be like, yep, I
Speaker 1: gotta be Brooke Davis, now, yep, okay, let me say
Speaker 1: my line. Like he would distract me with the ingenuity
Speaker 1: of the choices he would make. He never leaned into
Speaker 1: the Steve Rkel of it all, Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like he could have easily made Mouth a joke,
Speaker 1: and instead he made them made him this really like
Speaker 1: empathetic every man that like everyone could connect to. Everybody
Speaker 1: wanted Mouth to win, you know, they wanted Mouth to
Speaker 1: get the girl. Which girl on our show? Did you
Speaker 1: like him with best? Kelsey? Kelsey was? How old was Kelsey?
Speaker 1: Because what's your character's name? Yeah, I think she's nineteen
Speaker 1: or maybe younger young she was like I think she
Speaker 1: and said she was sixteen. Maybe I think she was
Speaker 1: like thirteen fourteen. I think I think she was incredibly young.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know thirteen. Because there was also Erica Right, Erica, Marsha,
Speaker 1: Batley Bayless, yeah, talking about it, dancer Kathy Matest gosh Ma,
Speaker 1: and then Lizarna Shelley the cleanteen. Oh yeah, they had
Speaker 1: their entanglement. I just I have thought him and Gig
Speaker 1: were so cute together. It was cute. I loved, I
Speaker 1: loved later when he wound up with Lisa, h they're
Speaker 1: sweet relationship. Frankly, I'm man. I never kissed him to
Speaker 1: come on, damn hello, never got a shot? Um girls,
Speaker 1: Is it time for most likely to I mean, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let who is most likely to join the CIA,
Speaker 1: and this is characters or actors or both, anything throughout
Speaker 1: the entire run of the show. Most likely the C
Speaker 1: I A Berry, serious, Berry, Do you know what joint?
Speaker 1: You're right? You're right because Barry Corbin, I want to say,
Speaker 1: is like from New Jersey. He was like a Shakespearean actor,
Speaker 1: Larry with his Southern accent, and he decided to become
Speaker 1: a cowboy as an adult. Hold on a second, look
Speaker 1: Google Barry Corbin, and he created this whole other persona
Speaker 1: and it worked, and it tricked out who he is now. No,
Speaker 1: it says here he was born in Texas, but he
Speaker 1: told me he lived New Jersey for a long time.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was in the CIA when he was in Jersey.
Speaker 1: I'm saying stories. I will say though, after our analysis
Speaker 1: of Lee Norris's incredible acting skills, I feel like he'd
Speaker 1: be great in the CIA. Oh yeah, he could pull
Speaker 1: it off for sure, as like one of those actors,
Speaker 1: like you know, they've been doing it since the forties.
Speaker 1: I guess they would have actors. Betty Gray Bowl was
Speaker 1: was working for you know, so they fly over and
Speaker 1: you just go to a restaurant for dinner, but you're
Speaker 1: actually like passing off a package to somebody in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I think we could pull that off. Yeah, because he can.
Speaker 1: He can be the life of the party, and he
Speaker 1: can completely you know, put his three layers on and
Speaker 1: disappear in the corner and it. Oh, I wish he
Speaker 1: was still here. We should do this with our guests
Speaker 1: next time. All right, So which character would join the CIA?
Speaker 1: We have a couple of teammates, but who is elusive?
Speaker 1: I mean, Karen disappeared for a very long time and
Speaker 1: came back with a man that none of us knew,
Speaker 1: like Andy, and she had a whole other life that
Speaker 1: we never got to see. She was definitely in the
Speaker 1: c I a Michael Truco's character who suddenly appeared at
Speaker 1: it like nobody need. Yeah, I'm not complaining. Tru was
Speaker 1: a Cooper. Truca was such a babe. It's such a babe.
Speaker 1: Um else. Yeah, those feel like real good choices to me. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're good at this game. Alright to play again next week.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us. Episode three of One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill. We're so excited to watch it. Come back
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Speaker 1: the scenes you had forgotten about, and your work and
Speaker 1: even you all talking to us about some of the
Speaker 1: things we've said. I mean, we're just buds talking to
Speaker 1: each other. We forget and then you'll quote us on
Speaker 1: Twitter and I'm like, oh my god, we did say
Speaker 1: this week. Do you know? So real quick? We're gonna
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