1
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,680
Speaker 1: Hello, This is Lauren Bright Pacheco and I am so

2
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,080
Speaker 1: pleased to be joined today of all days, by Kevin,

3
00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Frankie and Phil Stanford to share some absolutely incredible news

4
00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,920
Speaker 1: and a wonderful update. Kevin, will you take us through it?

5
00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,600
Speaker 2: Boy? Where to start? A week ago? Yesterday so we

6
00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,879
Speaker 2: could go. Last Monday, there was a meeting with the

7
00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:55,200
Speaker 2: Attorney General and with Frank's attorney, Noel Brown in front

8
00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,480
Speaker 2: of Judge Acosta that I wish to God that there

9
00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,160
Speaker 2: had been there and microphone was there, because I've never

10
00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,360
Speaker 2: seen a judge as controllably livid when he realized that

11
00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,000
Speaker 2: the Marion County District Attorney's Office representative was not going

12
00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,319
Speaker 2: to be there. And finally he got it out of

13
00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:22,520
Speaker 2: the Attorney General Assistant Attorney General mister Gutman, that Marion

14
00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,080
Speaker 2: County had no intention of pursuing the case against Frank Gable,

15
00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,320
Speaker 2: but mister Gutman also expressed that he would like the opportunity,

16
00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:39,160
Speaker 2: through the District Attorney's Office in Marion County, to prosecute

17
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,559
Speaker 2: Frank Gable at any time in the future, six months,

18
00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,440
Speaker 2: six years, sixteen years from now. And that is when

19
00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,680
Speaker 2: the fireworks went off and Judge Acosta has head. Judge

20
00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,720
Speaker 2: Acosta asked both sides to submit their opinions on what

21
00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 2: should be done with Frank in terms of his indictment

22
00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,720
Speaker 2: and his future prospects of being prosecuted and further persecuted

23
00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,919
Speaker 2: by the state, and Nell and mister Goodman both got

24
00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,919
Speaker 2: those in a few days ago, and as expected, we

25
00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,600
Speaker 2: got a very prompt decision, a very brief decision and

26
00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,320
Speaker 2: statement by Judge Acosta, and fact it included capital letters.

27
00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,200
Speaker 2: And the bottom line is that from this day forth

28
00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,360
Speaker 2: and forever more, Frank Gable is not to be retried

29
00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,480
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form for the murder of

30
00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:46,840
Speaker 2: Mike Frankie, my brother. And it's gone forever.

31
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,119
Speaker 1: So he has been exonerated, and they cannot retry him.

32
00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,640
Speaker 2: Correct and that is with prejudice. They cannot come back

33
00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,959
Speaker 2: and change their minds and say whether or not, here

34
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,959
Speaker 2: we come. We've created a whole new batch of witnesses

35
00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,440
Speaker 2: for your perusal.

36
00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 1: Well, Phil, you, along with Kevin and Pat Frankie had

37
00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,240
Speaker 1: been fighting on behalf of Frank Gable for more than

38
00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,360
Speaker 1: three decades at this point. What does this mean to

39
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,119
Speaker 1: you after all these years?

40
00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,680
Speaker 3: It's a relief Finally you know that, after all this

41
00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,359
Speaker 3: time and after all this proof that Frank Gable was innocent,

42
00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,240
Speaker 3: I mean that he was a patsy, that he's finally free.

43
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,000
Speaker 3: And I think it's worth saying for everyone out there

44
00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,840
Speaker 3: who hasn't been following it quite as closely as we

45
00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,480
Speaker 3: have for the past thirty some years, that this meeting

46
00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,080
Speaker 3: court meeting that Kevin was just talking about occurred after

47
00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,440
Speaker 3: this judge Acosta, federal judge about four years ago, had

48
00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,320
Speaker 3: overturned the conviction. Frank Gable had already been in prison

49
00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,600
Speaker 3: about thirty years, and it went to the Ninth Circuit

50
00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,400
Speaker 3: Court of Appeals and they issued an even stronger ruling

51
00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,520
Speaker 3: of findings that all the evidence against Frank had been manufactured.

52
00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,080
Speaker 3: They'd made it up. There never was any physical evidence

53
00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:16,760
Speaker 3: against Frank.

54
00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,960
Speaker 2: This false foundation was established, called Frank Gable, and then

55
00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,719
Speaker 2: they were trying to pile this case on top of

56
00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:31,279
Speaker 2: it with further bullshit created witnesses on a foundation that

57
00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,040
Speaker 2: had absolutely no basis, and the whole thing should have crumbled.

58
00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,440
Speaker 1: I think it stands to question what would have happened

59
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,480
Speaker 1: if they had put as much effort into investigating your

60
00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,359
Speaker 1: brother's death as they did to manufacturing a case against

61
00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,880
Speaker 1: frank That is.

62
00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,680
Speaker 2: The string that they never wanted to pull. That's the

63
00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,600
Speaker 2: string that would have pulled the whole sweater apart. And

64
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,359
Speaker 2: that string is called Johnny Krauss.

65
00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,200
Speaker 1: Listeners of the po Post may remember that Johnny Krause

66
00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,360
Speaker 1: confessed more than once to killing Michael Frankie.

67
00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,760
Speaker 2: And Phil and I talked about this the other day.

68
00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,880
Speaker 2: Is that that is when they hit the panic button

69
00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:18,000
Speaker 2: and said, holy shit, Kraus is connected to this person

70
00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,480
Speaker 2: over here, who is connected to these people? Who are

71
00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,640
Speaker 2: the people that killed Mike Frankie.

72
00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,240
Speaker 1: I have to ask you both to you know, certainly

73
00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,719
Speaker 1: this is I don't want to even call this a

74
00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,680
Speaker 1: happy ending, because this is a tragedy on so many levels.

75
00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,520
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, Phil, frank lost thirty years of his

76
00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:44,080
Speaker 1: life for a murder we now can say with complete

77
00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,320
Speaker 1: clarity that he did not commit. But also you both,

78
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,839
Speaker 1: in going to bat for him and in questioning who

79
00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:58,320
Speaker 1: really killed Michael Frankie, you were both thrown under the bus,

80
00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,120
Speaker 1: particularly by the media. What does this mean to you

81
00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,640
Speaker 1: now to be validated and vindicated in this way.

82
00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,280
Speaker 3: Well, from the beginning, I was writing the column for

83
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,520
Speaker 3: the Oregonian back then, and then I became aware of

84
00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,159
Speaker 3: the murder in Salem that wasn't really being covered, and

85
00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,000
Speaker 3: as I watched the reporting in my own paper, you know,

86
00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,560
Speaker 3: it was obvious that the reporters weren't asking any questions.

87
00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,239
Speaker 3: I mean, he was sort of typical police reporting. Police

88
00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,600
Speaker 3: reporters rely so much on information from the cops that

89
00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,680
Speaker 3: they are eventually captured by the cops, and that was

90
00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,520
Speaker 3: certainly the case here. The reporters for the Oregonian were

91
00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,760
Speaker 3: just stenographers for the state police.

92
00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 2: We were struggling, encouraged not to speak with the press

93
00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,640
Speaker 2: right after Mike's murder, and I started getting hits from

94
00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,719
Speaker 2: this guy, Phil Stanford up in Oregon, and he was

95
00:06:53,839 --> 00:07:01,800
Speaker 2: the whitest red columnist in the Northwest paper in competition,

96
00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,200
Speaker 2: and no reporter, nobody in competition, so he had quite

97
00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,200
Speaker 2: a following.

98
00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,000
Speaker 1: And he gave you quite a megaphone.

99
00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,120
Speaker 3: I eventually parted from there, and then a few years

100
00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,000
Speaker 3: later another newspaper started up, the Portland Tribune, and I

101
00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:30,480
Speaker 3: started writing columns about the Frankie murder again and talking

102
00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,800
Speaker 3: more with Kevin, of course, and sort of poking the bear,

103
00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,440
Speaker 3: trying to get them to react and they did.

104
00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,200
Speaker 2: They did.

105
00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,000
Speaker 3: They did like a three page hit piece. There's no

106
00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,760
Speaker 3: other way to look at it, because it was so

107
00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,960
Speaker 3: very personal, attacking me and Kevin.

108
00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,720
Speaker 1: And calling your thoughts about the murder conspiracy theories.

109
00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,160
Speaker 3: They were taking the states line on this, the state

110
00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,880
Speaker 3: police line, and so they wrote this three page hit

111
00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,760
Speaker 3: piece attacking me. I expected that, but they went after

112
00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,280
Speaker 3: Kevin in a way I've never seen before in a newspaper.

113
00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,400
Speaker 3: They tried to make him out as crazy. Well, this

114
00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,080
Speaker 3: had been the state police line from the beginning, that

115
00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,760
Speaker 3: he was crazed by grief and he was making up

116
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 3: all these stories, these conspiracy driven theories about why his

117
00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,120
Speaker 3: brother was killed. He was obsessed, Well, we were all obsessed.

118
00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,120
Speaker 3: Anyone who's maintained an interest for more than five minutes

119
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,880
Speaker 3: was obsessed breaking new journalistic grounds, attacking a member of

120
00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:44,400
Speaker 3: the murder victim's family for raising questions about his brother's death,

121
00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,360
Speaker 3: his brother's murder, about the investigation of his brother's murder.

122
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:57,240
Speaker 3: And to this day, the Oregonian has not apologized for that,

123
00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,959
Speaker 3: and that's something I'd like to see.

124
00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,800
Speaker 1: Nearly thirty five years later, you guys have been proven

125
00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,320
Speaker 1: absolutely right in raising the questions that you did. And

126
00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,040
Speaker 1: your theory wasn't a conspiracy theory, it was reality.

127
00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,200
Speaker 3: You know what we were saying at that time, that

128
00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:25,680
Speaker 3: we were attacked for so personally by my own newspaper,

129
00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,240
Speaker 3: my former newspaper. This is essentially the same thing that

130
00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,319
Speaker 3: the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals said, you know, raising

131
00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,760
Speaker 3: the same questions, coming to the same conclusions about the

132
00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,560
Speaker 3: absolute emptiness of the case against Frank Abel. They had

133
00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,880
Speaker 3: no physical evidence against them. All they ever had was

134
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,560
Speaker 3: what they had made up and what they'd fed to

135
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:56,520
Speaker 3: their line witnesses. They had no case then, but it's

136
00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,800
Speaker 3: clear it's over, have nothing.

137
00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's a wonderful week for Frank, and this is

138
00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,760
Speaker 1: just a wonderful testament to your effort. So I thank

139
00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,240
Speaker 1: you both.

140
00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,040
Speaker 2: And I talked to Frank twice yesterday. The first time

141
00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,520
Speaker 2: we couldn't even talk. Had to do it later to

142
00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,240
Speaker 2: get our shit together. But many, many thanks to everybody.

143
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:32,960
Speaker 2: And he was still stunned and literally felt like he'd

144
00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,720
Speaker 2: been hit by a car. Just didn't know what to

145
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,960
Speaker 2: say or how to react. All his senses were maxed out.

146
00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,920
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing that he could barely get out

147
00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,280
Speaker 2: was just thank you, everybody, Let.

148
00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:52,760
Speaker 1: Me ask you this, Kevin, having had the news of

149
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,400
Speaker 1: the exoneration and the fact that Oregon cannot ever, in

150
00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,920
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, retry frank what is left

151
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,000
Speaker 1: for you? What does justice mean to you? What does

152
00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:04,600
Speaker 1: it remain?

153
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,520
Speaker 2: I spent the better part of last night fighting a

154
00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,560
Speaker 2: lot of demons that I know are going to be

155
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,040
Speaker 2: coming up. And the biggest demon is the preservation of

156
00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,520
Speaker 2: the evidence, the ends that they may have gone to

157
00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:27,440
Speaker 2: to destroy evidence or corrupt evidence. Who is going to

158
00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,160
Speaker 2: take on the new case? How can they do that

159
00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,280
Speaker 2: under the jurisdiction correct jurisdiction is the Oregon State Police.

160
00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,000
Speaker 2: Are they going to investigate themselves in the process and

161
00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,680
Speaker 2: how can that even occur? And are we going to

162
00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,200
Speaker 2: go through this whole process again where the Cranky brothers

163
00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 2: and phil are marching with pitchforks and shovels saying this

164
00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:59,559
Speaker 2: is nonsense.

165
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,800
Speaker 1: Because thirty five years later, the question remains, who killed

166
00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,760
Speaker 1: Michael Frankie. Oregon has never answered that question, and the

167
00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,600
Speaker 1: fact that frank has now been cleared makes that question

168
00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,760
Speaker 1: even more pressing.

169
00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,080
Speaker 2: Almost as big a question today is why did they

170
00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,120
Speaker 2: kill Mike Frankie? Why did they fabricate, create a case

171
00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,640
Speaker 2: that takes them completely out of the realm of the

172
00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,720
Speaker 2: individual or individuals I should say, or responsible for the murder.

173
00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,240
Speaker 2: So now we've got an even uglier situation that they've

174
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,319
Speaker 2: got to hide.

175
00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:46,960
Speaker 1: Well. I thank you both so much for the dedication

176
00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,520
Speaker 1: that you've shown to clearing an innocent man and the

177
00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,520
Speaker 1: compassion that you have for not just one another, but

178
00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,600
Speaker 1: for the legacy of your brother Michael Frankie, and I

179
00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,959
Speaker 1: very much appreciate you two joining me to share on

180
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:08,520
Speaker 1: the update.

181
00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,640
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Lauren