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Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Sewn Spicer. You're

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Speaker 1: a substacker, now you're a podcaster. Obviously you've done some

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Speaker 1: But where I'm enjoining where I'm seeing Sean Spicer, My

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Speaker 1: guest here on the Gavin Newsom Show every morning is

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Speaker 1: on two Way with Mark Halprin. Uh. And you're you're

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Speaker 1: there battling out, but you're doing it in a civil

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Speaker 1: because of your own unique experiences. Obviously, Mark Dan your

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Speaker 1: new podcast, and and where the hell have you been

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Speaker 1: Sewn over the last few years? Not just on right

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Speaker 1: Sean, I mean, it contrasts obviously to what's not necessarily

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Speaker 3: So I stream the morning meeting every day on my

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Speaker 2: And then I've got to show the Shaw and Spicer Show.

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Speaker 3: sorts of threats. I got attacked in multiple Apple stores.

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Speaker 3: I know there's only one that really got a lot

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Speaker 3: of attention, but there's others, a grocery store.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just me, by the way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've kids.

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Speaker 3: I've tried to keep them out of my public life,

440
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Speaker 3: but it's not easy when you're with them and you're

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Speaker 3: at dinner and someone's standing outside giving your family the

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Speaker 3: finger or chanting something and they're asking Addie, why are

443
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Speaker 3: they doing that? So, you know, like I said, it's both.

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Speaker 3: I've got some amazing opportunities that I've never gotten. But

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Speaker 3: at the same time, there were places who would say

446
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Speaker 3: to me, hey, we want to work with you because

447
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Speaker 3: we're looking to get some insight in the Trump administration,

448
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Speaker 3: but can you sign five NDAs and can we run

449
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Speaker 3: this through like a Swiss shell company so no one

450
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Speaker 3: knows that we're actually talking to you. There were plenty

451
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Speaker 3: of events where we started down a path and then

452
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Speaker 3: they'd get canceled. You know, an opportunity would get canceled.

453
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Speaker 3: It was a lot of like cloak and dagger, like

454
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Speaker 3: we'd love to have you come talk to our board,

455
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Speaker 3: but you have to come in a back door. No

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Speaker 3: one can know that you're here. People, So the first

457
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Speaker 3: iteration of Trump was fairly vicious, and obviously the Mala

458
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Speaker 3: Report was going on. People were making all sorts of

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Speaker 3: false allegations. So I will say this this second term.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a night and day people are

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Speaker 3: excited to work with you. It's the opposite, right, Can

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Speaker 3: we promote that we're working with you? Can you talk

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Speaker 3: to us openly about Trump. I think the president two

464
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Speaker 3: point zero is such a different place than he was

465
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Speaker 3: in the first term for a variety of reasons, and

466
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Speaker 3: a lot of it was just a learning curve, etc.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad to go into it, but I

468
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Speaker 3: think there is so much that is different between the

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Speaker 3: first term and the second term.

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Speaker 1: No, I love that. It's a great segue because I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about that. I mean, I've had my

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Speaker 1: own experience with Trump, obviously as governor for two years

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Speaker 1: involved in you know, we were involved as a state

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Speaker 1: with one hundred and twenty two lawsuits with the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: That said, and you may recall this during COVID, we

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Speaker 1: had a very good working relationship as a democratic governor.

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Speaker 1: We were constantly on the phone working through issues. There

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Speaker 1: may have been a lot of noise on true social

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Speaker 1: or Twitter, but we were actually constructive. But I will

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Speaker 1: acknowledge things are radically different this second term, and I've

481
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Speaker 1: found him to be very different as well. And that's

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Speaker 1: on the basis of a lot of interpersonal engagement. An

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Speaker 1: hour and a half in the oval office. I think

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Speaker 1: it was the first democratic governor to spend that kind

485
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Speaker 1: of time with them in the Oval office phone calls

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Speaker 1: since and obviously we're going back and forth now, but

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Speaker 1: I'm curious a few of us, you've seen a few,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering, how's how are hot sales going.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know, the most extraordinary sales we've

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Speaker 1: ever seen, just as our most beautiful maps that are

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Speaker 1: out there. But I will say, uh, the biggest selling

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Speaker 1: item is that picture of Tucker Carlson and the late

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Speaker 1: Great Hulk Hogan and of course Kid Rock himself blessing Me,

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Speaker 1: which is limited edition. Sean, if you want to pick

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Speaker 1: up one, I do it now before, by the way,

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Speaker 1: before I put my crypto coin out, which I also

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Speaker 1: think will be a hot show.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to get ahead of this, but you

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Speaker 3: do know that we're going to tear offf all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sell, Well, we'll get to the terrorist a bit.

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Speaker 1: But look, Trump one point two point. I've heard you

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about it, and you've you've talked about

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Speaker 1: the discipline. You've talked about the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: a more prepared second term presidency, that people around him

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Speaker 1: have more prepared, they're more quote unquote professional. From Susie

507
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Speaker 1: Wiles's chief of staff to what they're doing at the OMB.

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Speaker 1: They had a playbook, they're executing on it. They're unified.

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Speaker 1: Where do you, often, I hear youse, give us a sense?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, without going too deep into the

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Speaker 1: well of what was wrong in that first term, do

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Speaker 1: you maintain that as we sit here in month seven

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Speaker 1: going to month eight, that this is a well oiled

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Speaker 1: machine and that he's excelling in terms of advancing his

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Speaker 1: stated goals. Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, so I'll just start with this. If you

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Speaker 2: are a supporter of.

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Speaker 3: President Trump and the America First Agenda, which I proudly am,

519
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Speaker 3: the amount of accomplishments I don't think is questionable. Like

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Speaker 3: you look at what he has done on trade, what

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Speaker 3: he's done on taxes, what he has done on the border,

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Speaker 3: what he's done on the make America Healthy Again movement,

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Speaker 3: like check check check. Now, you may know, one may

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Speaker 3: not agree with that, but I would argue, as I

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Speaker 3: love watching these cabinet meetings and I know some of

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Speaker 3: the some people have issues with them, but I feel

527
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Speaker 3: like everyone's getting called to account, like everybody has to

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Speaker 3: list off what did you do? And there's one every

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Speaker 3: thirty days, So you know, when I was in college,

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Speaker 3: I hid in the back row try to make sure

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Speaker 3: I didn't get called on. Now, if you look at

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Speaker 3: a Trump meeting, you hear from every single one of

533
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Speaker 3: those folks, what have you gotten done in the last

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Speaker 3: thirty days. And I mean Sean Duffy at the Department

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Speaker 3: of Transportation looking at our air traffic control systems, what

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Speaker 3: we're doing to keep our highway safe with CDL licensing.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's got something to say. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Lee's Elden talking about the environment, what they're doing to

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Speaker 3: help reduce the regulatory burden on small businesses. So again,

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Speaker 3: if you're maybe some folks on your side of the

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Speaker 3: aisle party, you may not agree, but I would think

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Speaker 3: that regardless of where you are, you've got.

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Speaker 2: To admit that he's got a lot done.

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Speaker 1: And Sean's just on that. I'm curious and forgive me,

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Speaker 1: I do want you to continue to expand on the point.

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Speaker 1: But also you hear at those cabinet meetings. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of dear Leader. I mean, every single

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Speaker 1: one of those folks starts out with the sort of

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Speaker 1: unctious compliments. Is that I mean, honestly, does that? Does

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Speaker 1: do you cringe? About that, or you think that's also

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Speaker 1: part of the charmer part of I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of that? I mean, yesterday's cabinet meeting was

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Speaker 1: not coordinary in that respect.

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Speaker 2: No, here's what I'm saying. I think delivery matters.

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Speaker 3: Some people pull it off better than others, but I

556
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Speaker 3: think that Look, the President deserves credit for the people

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Speaker 3: he's picking and the ability to allow them to do that.

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Speaker 3: Now how some of them choose to express their gratitude. Again,

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Speaker 3: I think delivery matters, but I get it, it's part

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Speaker 3: of the I don't know. I sort of personally like

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Speaker 3: I said, what if you heard what I said? I

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Speaker 3: love the focus on results, Like, so, no one can

563
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Speaker 3: get up there and just bs and say, dear mister President,

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Speaker 3: I love you. You're amazing, and Okay, who's next. They

565
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Speaker 3: have to then go into what did you get done?

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Speaker 3: And I am a believer as someone who's been a

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Speaker 3: commanding officer, who has been in charge of groups and organizations,

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Speaker 3: like I don't the fluff, great, say it, but then

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Speaker 3: get to what you did. I want results, and I

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Speaker 3: like the fact that you can't hide. Yes, you might

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Speaker 3: start off by saying something very laudatory, but At the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, you have to get to what

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Speaker 3: did I do to deliver for the American people? And

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Speaker 3: that goes into what I believe is different. There's three things,

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Speaker 3: the people, the process, and the policies.

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Speaker 2: And look when we.

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Speaker 3: Got brought into Trump one and again he's not a politician.

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Speaker 3: The guy was picking people. Some of them he knew,

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Speaker 3: some of them he didn't, and people would recommend him.

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Speaker 3: I think the best person to be the ambassador to

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Speaker 3: you know, francis so and so. I think that so

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Speaker 3: and so would be great for the Department of the Interior,

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Speaker 3: and he would trust people great. You think that person's good. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I know you, you think they're great. I was in the

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Speaker 3: room plenty of times for those conversations occurred. I don't

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Speaker 3: think every single person. In fact, a lot of them

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Speaker 3: did not come in for the right reasons, meaning they

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Speaker 3: weren't coming into advance agenda. In some cases, they were

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Speaker 3: coming in to advance their own or to actually stand

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Speaker 3: in the way of it and to oppose it. This time,

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Speaker 3: what the media gets wrong about the people in the

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Speaker 3: room in his cabinet, in particular in the sub cabinet.

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Speaker 3: And this is where again they just say, oh, they're

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Speaker 3: all loyal. A dog is loyal. My dog is loyal.

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Speaker 3: It's sitting right there and she will follow me everywhere.

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Speaker 3: But that's great. That doesn't do anything. Every one of

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Speaker 3: these people, from the Secretary of Defense to the Attorney

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Speaker 3: General to the Secretary of Treasury and Commerce is a doer.

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Speaker 3: They're getting things done. They're a disruptor, and that's what

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Speaker 3: they're missing. Anyone can be loyal, that doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 3: getting things done. So the people are vastly different. And

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Speaker 3: then the policies they know they four years out of office.

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Speaker 3: I always tell people it's like if you grew up

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Speaker 3: playing a team sport and you play the same team

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Speaker 3: later in the season, your coach will luckily say, remember

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Speaker 3: they came up strong on the right and we didn't

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Speaker 3: block them well, so we got to prevent that. Four

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Speaker 3: years out of office has allowed these guys to think

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Speaker 3: through how do get things done properly? How who what

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Speaker 3: the opposition force is going to look like? And I

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Speaker 3: keep contrasting the the sort of the firing of Lisa

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Speaker 3: Cook at the FED this week with how we handled Komy.

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Speaker 3: When we fired Kme, the President called me into the

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Speaker 3: oval and said, Sean put out a statement, we're firing

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Speaker 3: Jim Coney. And I literally sat there and said, mister President,

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Speaker 3: we need to inform congressional leaders. We need to do this,

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Speaker 3: because I just had been around and you know, long

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Speaker 3: enough to I was like, here's what's going to I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get asked as press secretary, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: get asked.

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Speaker 2: Did you inform you know, Leader Schumer, did you call

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Speaker 2: the Speaker of the House?

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Speaker 3: Did you do this? And I said, so, we just

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Speaker 3: need to go through some of these processes. But admittedly,

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Speaker 3: you know, it was not probably done the best in

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Speaker 3: terms of rollout. I think how they've handled things like that,

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Speaker 3: between the policies and the personnel rollout, they get the

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Speaker 3: process a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you arguing that what they're doing with Cook

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Speaker 1: is a better process than that? Really? Absolutely, Maybe she's

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Speaker 1: she he guilty of something without due process, she should

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Speaker 1: be removed.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she's guilty or not, but that's

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Speaker 3: not what the law says. The Federal Reserve Act of

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Speaker 3: nineteen thirteen, Section ten says that the President has the

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Speaker 3: ability to remove.

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Speaker 2: Anyone for cause.

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Speaker 3: Because now you've been a governor, a mayor, like you've

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Speaker 3: let people go I'm sure at some point, and not

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Speaker 3: because they were guilty of something or were convicted a

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Speaker 3: court of law. You said, hey, Susie, you've shown up

642
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Speaker 3: five days late for work. You're not getting it done.

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Speaker 3: You don't represent me. Well, you're a nuisance. This woman

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Speaker 3: signed documents that are public that she declared her primary

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Speaker 3: home in two residents. That's mortgage fraud. Now, whether she

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Speaker 3: gets convicted or not. An employer, I've had to fire

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Speaker 3: people before. They none of them were convicted of anything.

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Speaker 3: In fact, a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we're gonna let you go so that

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Speaker 2: you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Sean just done no And I appreciate that, and it

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Speaker 1: certainly is the frame is for cause. But you don't

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Speaker 1: find anything curious about that coincident that that Adam Schiff

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Speaker 1: and Tis James have the same accusations and they're just

655
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Speaker 1: sort of coincidental. And Paxton, who's got accusations against him

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Speaker 1: in Texas, there's been no consideration and criteria for a

657
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Speaker 1: similar investigation. This is just professionalism at the highest levels

658
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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration weeding out corruption, and they just

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Speaker 1: happen to fall on these three people. Coincidentally.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, first of all, it's not like Adam shift

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Speaker 3: Tiff James. I mean, you're his governor. I think that's

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Speaker 3: not just a mortgage fright issue, but it's an electoral problem.

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Speaker 3: The guy, by the constitution, is required to live in

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Speaker 3: your state. He is signedy documents saying that Maryland is

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Speaker 3: his primary residence. You should probably be entitled to a

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Speaker 3: senator that represents California and lives there.

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Speaker 2: So I would argue that this is probably more of

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Speaker 2: your IF problems.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Sean, I'm trying to go to an

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Speaker 1: event where shiff is not has not already left because

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Speaker 1: he was there before I was there.

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Speaker 2: I didn't love that this morning, and I thought this

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Speaker 2: is going to be interesting.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying it's.

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Speaker 1: Up to honestly. I mean, you can't and good conscious

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Speaker 1: say that's just that's just I mean, this is just

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Speaker 1: a professionally well arted machine doing everything right.

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Speaker 2: And just contrast. So there's two things. Number one.

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Speaker 3: Contrast One, I honest to God, and I say this

680
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Speaker 3: like in all honesty, because I don't I'm not aware.

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00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: I know that there's some issues that brought up with

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Speaker 3: with the Attorney General. I didn't know about the mortgage

683
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Speaker 3: trod to be honest with you. Maybe that I so

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Speaker 3: if that's true, I'd be willing to look at it.

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Speaker 3: But I would also say one two things. One the

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Speaker 3: first question was was the process different than the first term? And,

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Speaker 3: as I said, with Kobe, they did. We just fired him,

688
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: announced it like you're gone, and then built the plane

689
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: in mid air to to explain why. Later with Cook,

690
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Speaker 3: they've made the predicate very clear she did this.

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Speaker 2: Here are the receipts. That is a much better process.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, I, as a as a consumer of the news

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Speaker 3: and as a citizen, I go, Okay, I know what

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Speaker 3: you're accused of. If that's cause, and which I believe

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Speaker 3: a judge would argue is cause, because again it doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean you have to be guilty of it, which I

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Speaker 3: actually from what I can see, I'm no judge. I

699
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Speaker 3: haven't been to law school, but but I would say

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Speaker 3: that if you sign two pieces of paper claiming two

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Speaker 3: different states are your primary residents to get a lower

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Speaker 3: interest rate, neither one that you've actually lived in and

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Speaker 3: used for rental purposes, I have a rental property.

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't get up. I had to get the

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Speaker 2: higher interest rate in a bigger down payment.

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Speaker 3: Because it I wasn't gonna lie on a form, but

707
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Speaker 3: it's in an electorally it's also a lie. Like as

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Speaker 3: I said, I mean Tiss James had a property here

709
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Speaker 3: in my state of Virginia, saying and she's the New

710
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Speaker 3: York Attorney general claiming that Virginia's her primary residence.

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Speaker 1: That's a problem.

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Speaker 3: And so let me just say, as governor, the one

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Speaker 3: last thing is I would say, and this is why

714
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Speaker 3: after watching the four years of what they did to Trump,

715
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Speaker 3: especially especially in New York, claiming that misdemeanors, bookkeeping, misdemeanors

716
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Speaker 3: that passed the statute limitations somehow all roll up into

717
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Speaker 3: a fake felony, and then telling the jury you don't

718
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: even need to come up with a crime, just convict the.

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Speaker 2: Guy, and then we've actually got receipts on these folks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one could argue that was selective prosecution.

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Speaker 1: I think any objective observer would have to maintain these

722
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Speaker 1: three cases seem to be rather selective and curious. And

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Speaker 1: I guess the deeper problem that I have, and I

724
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Speaker 1: appreciate your framework around this being a better process than

725
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Speaker 1: call me and I do appreciate your framework on that,

726
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: but this idea that it's better because the DOJ is

727
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: now being weaponized in a very overt way. Perhaps, I mean,

728
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Speaker 1: Pam's standing right behind the president. These guys are just

729
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: winding up on that retribution list. It just doesn't feel

730
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Speaker 1: like he's raising the bar and elevating the company.

731
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Speaker 3: If I, let's just say for a second, I accept

732
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Speaker 3: your premise it's all retribution.

733
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Speaker 2: If I accept that premise, I just okay.

734
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Speaker 3: I mean again, I don't think like I've always felt

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Speaker 3: like at some point, you know, we're dealing with this

736
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Speaker 3: in jerrymandering, at what point does it stop?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Who started it?

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Speaker 3: Dan Turntine nine in the morning meeting had this long

739
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: argument about who started it and when? Okay, Well, we

740
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: can go back to Elbridge Jerry and say, okay, it

741
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: started in Massachusetts and whatever that was seventeen something. But

742
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: the bottom line is, if we're gonna claim that what's going.

743
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Speaker 2: On now is bad, then where were all these voices

744
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: for the last four years?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what happened to Trump in New York in

746
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: particular is complete and utter bs Like no one with

747
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: a law degree or having ever watched law and order

748
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Speaker 3: could argue what happened to him in New York was fair.

749
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Speaker 3: That's just that was the ultimate weaponization of the digital system.

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Speaker 3: The misdemeanors were expired. There is no such It's the

751
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Speaker 3: first time this has ever happened. There was no crime.

752
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Speaker 3: He paid the mortgage back.

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Speaker 2: In the case of.

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Speaker 3: James Schiff and Cook, they lied on a form to

755
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 3: get a lower interest rate. In the case of Cook,

756
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: she is, by the way, on the board of the

757
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Speaker 3: Federal Reserve, which oversees interest rates. I mean, this is

758
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Speaker 3: you can't have something.

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Speaker 1: More entangled, did well? I hope we still have due process,

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Speaker 1: and I hope those facts are presented and not just

761
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: asserted on a truth social But it begs the question.

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Speaker 3: I hope that we have a system where senators live

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Speaker 3: in the state that they and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think anyone listening would disagree that people need to

765
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Speaker 1: be held to account and and I just think the

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Speaker 1: selective prosecution, you know, is a little dark and a

767
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: little ominous, and without even you know, getting back in

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Speaker 1: the merits demerits to your point about what you perceive

769
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: happen at the state level in New York and Georgia

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Speaker 1: what they attempted to do to Trump when he was

771
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Speaker 1: out of office. So but just just move it off,

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Speaker 1: just if I may, just because I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it does beg the question of the FED. This. I mean,

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Speaker 1: are we better off with the president of the United

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Speaker 1: States having the ability to change on whims members of

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Speaker 1: the board and have those members get rid of the

777
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: presidents of the regional bodies? Is that? Are we better

778
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: off as a nation having a president put their thumb

779
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: on that scale. I mean, it seems the last time

780
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Speaker 1: we had United States president do it was Richard Nixon.

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00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: Didn't seem to end so well. With inflationary pressures in

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Speaker 1: the seventies, people have equated similar actions and places like

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00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Argentina and Turkey? Are those fair? Unfair? Is this just

784
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Trump has you know He's not I'm in a blue bubble.

785
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Am I just making all this up? And we have

786
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: independence of the FED and I'm just but we have

787
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: corruption at the highest level. And finally he's calling it

788
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Speaker 1: out on mortgage fraud.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's two separate issues.

790
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Speaker 3: You're the FED in itself and then the overall issue.

791
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: I don't mean to make it personal, but I am

792
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: a named plaintiff in a case called Spicer v. Biden

793
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: that was decided President Biden fired me from the US

794
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: Naval Academy board. First time in history, in the history

795
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Speaker 3: of the United States, a president has dismissed anyone for

796
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Speaker 3: no cause.

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00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Uh was russ Voy part of that as well? A

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Speaker 1: few of you, right, is.

799
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Speaker 2: Ice or vote v.

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Speaker 3: Biden? And the Biden administration went to court up through

801
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: the appeals process, arguing that the President of United States

802
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: has the absolute authority to fire anyone without ever explaining it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that is the court, that is the

804
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: case law. Now, okay, when I was fired, and again

805
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: it just wasn't about me. He fired every Service Academy

806
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Speaker 3: hr McMaster. By the way, a west Point grad that

807
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: had taught at west Point was scheduled to get the

808
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: Distinguished Alumni Award that Thursday. They fired us on a Tuesday. Okay,

809
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: so they fired everyone Air Force, West Point Naval Academy

810
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: for no cause.

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Speaker 2: We went to court, obviously.

812
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Speaker 3: Attempting to lose, where we made them argue in the

813
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Speaker 3: affirmative that the President of United States has the absolute

814
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: authority to fire anyone. They did that, and again, this

815
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Speaker 3: is why you know this goes back to the same

816
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: question asking before when that happened, there was no outrage,

817
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: none to say, why are we fired? Might by the way,

818
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 3: they fired me on September eighth my board, my term

819
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: expired sixty days later.

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Speaker 2: They could have named it an entirely I mean.

821
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Speaker 3: So and for no reason, no cause, and the thing

822
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: was not one person said this is not right, this

823
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: is ridiculous.

824
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Speaker 2: It's never happened.

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00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: In fact, it was the Democratic Congressional chairman of the

826
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Speaker 3: board at the time, Dutch R. Ruthlisberger, who called me

827
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: and said, this is ridiculous.

828
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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. I didn't get informed about this.

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Speaker 2: They didn't explain why.

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Speaker 3: And so then when Trump comes into office, they go, oh,

831
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Speaker 3: my god, I can't believe he's firing people.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

833
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: When they did this in the under the Biden administration,

834
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Speaker 3: no one said a damn thing. And then it goes, well,

835
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: but this is different. Well, when I got fired, there

836
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: was no cause, no excuse, no reason. When Lisa Cook

837
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: was fired, it's because she committed mortgage fraud, and everyone goes, oh,

838
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: this is unbelievable.

839
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Speaker 2: It's the Fed.

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: Now, with respect to the Fed alone, I don't have

841
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: a problem with the Again, I am a believer that

842
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: the president has the authority, as now affirmed by Spicer v. Biden.

843
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: He decided who he wants to serve.

844
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Speaker 1: Even the end of pad it FED, which is held

845
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Speaker 1: to even the Supreme Court is adjudicated unique standing of

846
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Speaker 1: independent FED first and second Bank and a recent decision.

847
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Speaker 1: You think even if they regardless of the marriage, you

848
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Speaker 1: think it's healthy for democracy that president.

849
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Speaker 2: Well, again, there's a difference between in this case.

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Speaker 3: I do believe, I mean as I as I've stated,

851
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: this isn't like conjecture there. The documents are out there

852
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: for everyone to see. She committed mortgage fraud. She signed

853
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: two documents that state in the affirmative that two different

854
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: states at the same time are her primary residents, neither

855
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: of what she ever lived, and she used in both

856
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 3: for that is fraud.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate Sean on that, but just I'm talking

858
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Speaker 1: about just the FED chairman in this case. Even even

859
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: the pressure games, it seems to me go back.

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Speaker 3: To the to the to the you know, the early

861
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Speaker 3: days of America. The president of the United States has

862
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: always put pressure on the FED to do what it wants.

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Speaker 2: This is not a singular.

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Speaker 3: Now you may think the tactics of President Trump are

865
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Speaker 3: more vocal, but presidents of the United States have put

866
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: pressure on the FED, going back to some of our

867
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Speaker 3: earliest founders.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that didn't always It didn't always

869
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Speaker 1: go so well. I guess is more of the objective observation,

870
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Speaker 1: and that's perhaps.

871
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: And the president will be judged, and President Trump will

872
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: be judged as as most presidents are to you know,

873
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: either on safety or the or the economy. And you know,

874
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: it's clear what he wants to cut in the rate.

875
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: I think that's frankly for happened regardless it was already.

876
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: Maybe I think twenty five basis points with the bottom

877
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: of the mind, and.

878
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: He'll claim credit for something that was already going to happen, which.

879
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: Is well, maybe not. I don't know that it'll claim

880
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: credit at twenty five. He wants way more than that.

881
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: And I think, by the way, there's an issue that

882
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: I know you had Charlie Kirk early on in your

883
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: show that he has been championing, which is the inability

884
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: of young Americans to have home and or ownership in

885
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: their reach. And I think again, and so part of

886
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: it is that these interest rates I think would be

887
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: a great thing just for for you know, the debt

888
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: of our country, frankly, but also for home ownership.

889
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Speaker 1: I could agree more in that respect. And look, no,

890
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I just don't think politicians should be making monetary policy

891
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: at our peril and the professionalship. But all of us

892
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: are very eager to see that happen. I think the

893
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: market's obviously starting to you know, they baked that cake

894
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: already in anticipation, and so it would be a big

895
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: surprise and set back if we didn't see that move.

896
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: But look, moving beyond just sort of the independence of

897
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Speaker 1: the Fed and the merits or demerits of whether or

898
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: not you think his influence this particular Trump's influence is

899
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: any greater or lesser than prior administrations. I'm curious just

900
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: the overall just sense that truth and trust is fray

901
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: is being fraid.

902
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: Now.

903
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Speaker 1: You made a great argument there that I think is important. Democrats,

904
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: we need to listen. I appreciate you bringing up your

905
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: own standing in relationship those firings and Democrats, many of

906
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: them unfamiliar with the details of that, and be candid

907
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: with you, Sean. Until I was preparing for this conversation.

908
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't even aware of that. To be able to

909
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: even have your back and to call that out, and

910
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: I think it's important is one of the reasons we

911
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: started this podcast because I think it's critical that we

912
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: have a little grace and understanding of one another in

913
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: relationship to the fights that we're having. But I got

914
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: to be honest, the BLS decision chilled me a little bit,

915
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 1: and it chilled a lot of objective observers. This notion

916
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: that if we don't like the facts that are being presented,

917
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: that we just fire the person that's presenting them and

918
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Speaker 1: we put someone in who's perhaps suggestive, not as loyal

919
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: to the facts, but more loyal to the person that's

920
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Speaker 1: appointing that individual. I mean, what was your sense of

921
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: that decision or do you feel comfortable with that? Is

922
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: that elevating things or am I again just maybe over

923
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: reading this and that's typical.

924
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Speaker 3: Well, first, I do think the two subjects that were discussing,

925
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: the FED and BLS. You've got a guy who got

926
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: a d in economics answering both of them. So issues

927
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: of economics are probably not my strongest we allow, but

928
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Speaker 3: but look, I will say that I asked a bunch

929
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Speaker 3: of people similar questions, just sort of because I'm familiar

930
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Speaker 3: with BLS and I did some work with commerce years ago.

931
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: So I but there have been problems with from economists

932
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: and actuals on both sides who've said the way the

933
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: BLS calculates numbers is wrong, especially the revisions. So I

934
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: know EJ not well. I think the proof is going

935
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Speaker 3: to be in the pudding. How he does his job

936
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Speaker 3: and what we hear about that. But I do think

937
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: the president has a right to have people serve him.

938
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Speaker 3: Who I mean, he was the he is the elected

939
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Speaker 3: you know, highest elected person in our country. He has

940
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Speaker 3: a right to have people serve him to to do

941
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: the work in advance his agenda. Now, the proof will

942
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Speaker 3: be in the pudding. How EJ does this. There will

943
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: be plenty of scrutiny on it in terms of the numbers,

944
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: the revisions, the frequency. So we'll see. And so I look,

945
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Speaker 3: I think it's healthy to be skeptical, but the proof

946
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: will be in the pudding, and see what he does

947
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: for all of the whining. You know that we've seen

948
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people share about concerns. Some of the

949
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Speaker 3: people that have come to government, they've turned out to

950
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: be a pretty pretty adept group of folks getting the

951
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Speaker 3: agenda moving forward. So I've been extremely proud of President

952
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 3: Trump's cabinet and sub cabinet. And then obviously we'll see

953
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: how EJ does is director of BLS, which is I

954
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: don't even know at the sub cabinet level.

955
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I'm curious just and I know I'm

956
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Speaker 1: sensitive to our time. And you know, as we sort

957
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: of battled this notion of FED independence and talk about

958
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: the issue of just basic data collection and presidential authority,

959
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: some would suggest overreach and we can battle that back

960
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: and forth. But your overall assessment just on what he's

961
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: doing for the economy. Are you pleased that we had

962
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Speaker 1: a cabinet meaning this week and the Commerce Secretary said, hey,

963
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Speaker 1: we may be taking over defense companies at least investing

964
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Speaker 1: in defense company. Please that we now are getting involved

965
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Speaker 1: in Silicon Valley and owning ten percent of Intel. You're

966
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Speaker 1: happy that they're doing tithings or set asides at AMD

967
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: and and Nvidia fifteen percent? Do you please that the

968
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: president's deciding who should be a CEO shouldn't be said

969
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Speaker 1: the Intel CEO should be fired before they decided to

970
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Speaker 1: take ten percent of the company, or deciding on what

971
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Speaker 1: logos people should have or not have. Cracker barrel, I mean,

972
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Speaker 1: is this.

973
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Speaker 2: I don't know that decision.

974
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Speaker 3: I mean maybe I know the President weighed in on it,

975
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Speaker 3: but I don't know if you can take credit.

976
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Speaker 1: I took credit for it as well as part of

977
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Speaker 1: my of course, I did you've check that out? I've

978
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Speaker 1: been well, you know, anyway, I'm going coming out, as

979
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Speaker 1: I said, coming out of my own crypto soon.

980
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Speaker 3: First of all, the way you make maps, maybe you're

981
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: pretty good at the logos too. I don't know.

982
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Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus didn't make IM going to just say, but honestly,

983
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a free enterprise guy. I believe what

984
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: Churchill said, a healthy horse pulling at hardy wagon. I

985
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: don't like crony capitalism. I don't like corruption. I don't

986
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: like backroom deals. I don't like people making calls and

987
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: then getting exemptions on tariffs. I don't like people sending

988
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: family members out getting deals before tariffs are even negotiated.

989
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: I get a little nervous about this. I don't like

990
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: the crypto stuff. I don't like all the correct cronyism

991
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: and corruption that I see is taking shit. I don't

992
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: like the Democrats or Republics, But is this is this normal?

993
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: Is that Commerce secretary saying we're gonna own portion of Lockheed?

994
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that what we signed up for? Is

995
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: that what megas for? You're a conservative guy.

996
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: It's a little late for you to be coming out

997
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: criticizing the Bidens, But I appreciate it.

998
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: I think it's it's well if.

999
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: I'd never try to take over Intel. I don't recall

1000
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: that logos, No, I don't remember. Honestly, I don't remember

1001
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: any of that. But is this is this good? Good

1002
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: for Americans?

1003
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: One thing about the companies, the stake and the companies.

1004
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: I I get he is a businessman at heart, and

1005
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: I get what he's trying to do right because it's

1006
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: the America owns these shares. I do as a as

1007
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: a free enterprise guy. What concerns me is the long term. Right,

1008
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: so God forbid, your party gets back in power. I

1009
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: wonder you know, do you guys buy you do take

1010
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: a ten percent steak in Smith and Wesson and say hey,

1011
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: you can't sell guns anywhere?

1012
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: Right? I worry about that.

1013
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 3: The precedent that it sets does concern me because at

1014
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: some point you know there will there there is a

1015
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: decent odds that a Democrat gets back in and what

1016
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: do they do with a steak in a private company?

1017
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: And what do they say and say, well, Trump did it,

1018
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: So that part does worry me. I will say one

1019
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: of the things that you know in Dan Turntin I've

1020
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: gotten this in the morning meeting, is that where I

1021
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 3: think that there's potentially a balance on this is if

1022
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: the government's going to make an investment in a company,

1023
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: so you're you know, in the case of defense contractors,

1024
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: you're procuring something. Is there something that the taxpayers should

1025
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: benefit from in the case of pharma, where all of

1026
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: our financial resources are laying the ground for the research

1027
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: and then a major pharmaceutical company profits off of it tremendously,

1028
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: when we the taxpayer, our money has been used to

1029
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: sort of till the field. I do think that there

1030
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: is a place for the government for the taxpayer to

1031
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: reap a benefit. As I said, I got a d

1032
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: in economics, so I'm probably not the best person answering this.

1033
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: I like the way that President Trump approaches it, where

1034
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: he's saying, what can we get out of this as

1035
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: a country?

1036
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: If we're doing some of the investing.

1037
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't know that I want us voting on, you know,

1038
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: having voting shares in a company, because let's just say,

1039
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: hypothetically you have a ten percent stake in Intel and

1040
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: b company comes along. Is the government going to award

1041
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 3: contracts to Intel versus another company because it says, hey,

1042
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: we benefit more if we give him the contract. So

1043
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: I do think that there's you know, I appreciate the

1044
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: President's approach on this as a businessman saying, hey, if

1045
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: we're going to be investing, what do we the taxpayer

1046
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: get out of it?

1047
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: Where does the country get?

1048
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 3: I think the actual approach and I get Secretary latnx

1049
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: comment on defense contracting. But again I do worry because

1050
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: as somebody who has seen what this sort of consolidation

1051
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: in the defense industrial complex has really hurt our ability

1052
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: to produce enough munitions and and so what what, you know,

1053
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: what we do we want to encourage more innovation. If

1054
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Speaker 3: a company says, well, they're they're going to favor another

1055
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: company because they the government owns stakes in it, that

1056
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: will make that difficult. So I'm a little this to me,

1057
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: this is going to how this manifests itself is going

1058
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: to be very important because again I think the short

1059
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: term I'm concerned about that, and in the long term

1060
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Speaker 3: I am worried about what another potential Democratic president would say.

1061
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Speaker 3: What what companies do they want to take a stake in?

1062
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Speaker 3: And what how would they then argue those profits or

1063
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Speaker 3: that company must act to stay in the good good

1064
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Speaker 3: will of that administration.

1065
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Speaker 1: Well, it's all that's pretty familiar. I mean, President she

1066
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Speaker 1: is put on a master class in China on strategic

1067
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: industries and making sure that there was national ownership and oversight.

1068
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is right out of his playbook. And

1069
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: you can invest in incumbents and that ecosystem and startups.

1070
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: So we're going to invest in where the great American

1071
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: economies come, which is through research and development and IH

1072
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Speaker 1: and SF. That means you're bsicently socializing most of Silicon

1073
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Speaker 1: Valley the great American companies.

1074
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Speaker 2: Again, don't.

1075
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Speaker 3: Again, I don't know where the balance is. Like I

1076
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: think somebody should look at this and say, if the

1077
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: American people are going to fund all of the research

1078
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 3: and then a Pharmer company comes and takes it, brings

1079
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: it to market and says, now we're going to make

1080
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 3: billions of dollars off of that, I think the taxpayer

1081
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: should potentially have some role in reaping some benefits on it.

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Speaker 3: But look, when you talk about President Trump bringing back

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Speaker 3: the manufacturing all of these chips back to the America,

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Speaker 3: making sure that we create an incentive for American manufacturing,

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Speaker 3: it kills me post COVID that we have a country

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Speaker 3: that sent us a disease, a virus, and then we

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Speaker 3: then turned back to them and said, hey, by the way,

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Speaker 3: can we buy our ppe and our pharma from you.

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Speaker 2: To solve the problem that you started.

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Speaker 3: I think dependent independence from China has got to be

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Speaker 3: our number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two and then.

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Speaker 1: Sean, forgive me, you must have really been offended by

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Speaker 1: the H two O chip deal with Nvidia in the

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent set aside to be able to get that

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Speaker 1: green light, that must have so many levels offended the core.

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Speaker 2: Well, it goes back to this point that I was making.

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Speaker 3: What I worry about is the long term consequences of

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Speaker 3: in the case of that you had an export license. Again,

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Speaker 3: the devil to me is really going to be in

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Speaker 3: the detail and the president it sets, because I do

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Speaker 3: worry about how a future president uses this and That's

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00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: that's what concerns me more than anything else. If we

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Speaker 3: start taking stakes and companies.

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Speaker 1: Especially, well, there's a there's a there's a president right

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Speaker 1: now who seems to be on a roll of socializing

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Speaker 1: and nationalizing great American companies. A lot of them happen

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Speaker 1: to be in my home state. Final thing, I'm curious

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Speaker 1: because you said it, and I don't mean this to

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Speaker 1: be argument and have I really and thank you Sean

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Speaker 1: for doing this. I've enjoyed the conversation. I enjoy this

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Speaker 1: aired of it as well. You you talked, and I

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I spent a lot of time,

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Speaker 1: as you know, in Sacramento, Ronald Reagan's old house. I

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Speaker 1: walk into Ronald Reagan's old office, former governor of California.

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00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: People Revere sort of the fiscal conservatism, the free enterprise,

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00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: the free market, supply side economics. That was was Reagan.

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Speaker 1: But you said you're you're conservative, and you were. You know,

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Speaker 1: what the hell happened to debt and deficits? Just four

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Speaker 1: point one trillion dollars? Stacky? I mean, our kids are

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00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: going to be buried. And for honestly, what to tell me?

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Speaker 2: Give me a program? You want to cut and I'll

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Speaker 2: advocate for it.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, I mean that's the job of the people

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Speaker 1: that are in Congress in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Look, and I wish and by the ways, and.

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Speaker 1: By the way, talking the wrong person. Because governors, we

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Speaker 1: have to balance budgets, so we do this every single year.

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Speaker 2: Look, I make no bones about it.

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Speaker 3: The debt and the deficit, to me is one of

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00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: the It is probably up there with China because it's

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00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: actually tethered to it. They own so much of it.

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Speaker 3: We're at thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. Our deficit

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00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: is out of control. I was I didn't agree with

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Speaker 3: every way that Doze rolled out some of it stuff,

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00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: But my god, the idea that we are not looking

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: at our spending in a responsible way is insane.

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Speaker 2: And so what was.

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Speaker 1: Why do you guys support a bill that is the

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Speaker 1: most insane spending bill.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you as a guy, I spent a

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00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: lot of time talking to folks.

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00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: The proof will be in the pudding. But I have

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00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: been convinced through some of the models that I've been

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00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: shown that this will actually reduce the deficit. And you

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00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: look at what President Trump's done on tariffs four trillion dollars.

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Speaker 3: The CBO says that we're going to bring in for

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00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 3: deficit reduction and debt reduction on the tariffs alone, that's

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Speaker 3: a significant chunk of money.

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Speaker 2: Four trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Not a bad start, all right, Well, we we don't

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00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: have time to get to the terrorists. We could do

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: a Kennedy Center, we could talk, but we didn't.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love Rick.

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Speaker 3: If you need tickets, Governor, I know Rick Rnell lives

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Speaker 3: in Califoria.

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Speaker 1: Rick is Rick loves me. I think, Uh, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: one of his favorite. I forgot he runs that runs

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Speaker 1: recovery in California Venezuela. Isn't he solving for Kim Johnnn

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Speaker 1: up there too? Rick?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, look it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what we solved. But hopefully we solved uh for

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Speaker 1: at least this that we all should be solving. Uh,

1164
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: for the fact that divorce is not an option. We've

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Speaker 1: got to define the terms of our future together and

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Speaker 1: and so I'm really grateful we had this chance to

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Speaker 1: be together today, Sean, and I appreciate what you're doing

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Speaker 1: with Mark and Dan. I'm a I'm an avid listener sincerely,

1169
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: and I hope people there's a reason you guys have

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Speaker 1: blown up in the charts, and I think those morning

1171
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Speaker 1: meetings are I didn't know the origin story. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciates you know.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is you're the first person that's ever

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Speaker 2: asked interesting.

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone they're both on my YouTube page, go

1176
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: sign up, take a listen.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate we're dark this week.

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Speaker 3: Were back Tuesday after Labor Day live at nine am Eastern,

1179
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Speaker 3: six am your time, and then everywhere else in between

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Speaker 3: and the but.

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Speaker 2: It's live and the cool part I forgot. That's the

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Speaker 2: one cool thing.

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Speaker 3: We take questions for the last thirty minutes from anyone

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00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: around the world, and literally we've taken them from everywhere

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Speaker 3: around the world.

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Speaker 1: I love it and and and I it's the one

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: Sean Spicer show that we should all tune in on

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: those evening ones. You know, that's a different thing. God

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Speaker 1: bless you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Governor.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate you. Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: It's been fun.