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Speaker 1: me and George today on Straight t O Lab.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say we literally just wrapped a two hour

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Speaker 2: marathon session with their one and only Joe Firestone. It

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Speaker 2: is quite literally we are running I would say, forty

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Speaker 2: five minutes behind in this beautiful studio and this beautiful

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Speaker 2: pair of studios, because we are of course still by

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Speaker 2: coastal and we are I was I was about to

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Speaker 2: say running on fumes. I don't think we're running on fumes.

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Speaker 2: I just think I'm doing that thing where I talk

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Speaker 2: and I'm my mouth, I'm surprising even myself with what's

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Speaker 2: coming out of my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was a real episode where I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a nap after that, I know.

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Speaker 2: And guess what instead of an app we have the opposite,

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Speaker 2: which is a guestless episode, or we don't even have

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Speaker 2: We don't even get a break when the other person

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Speaker 1: So one of us will be speaking at all times,

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Speaker 1: or else the episode will have to end. Wait, you

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Speaker 1: still have a cold and you're and you're doing this

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Speaker 1: but barely, yeah, just barely. But I have to say you.

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Speaker 2: Were absolutely killing it in the Joe episode could not

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Speaker 2: tell you were immunal compromises anyway.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to agree you were crushing it out there,

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Speaker 1: and it was such a delight. What a treat.

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Speaker 2: A treat we uh, we wanted to pretty much check

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Speaker 2: in on what our callers have been calling about.

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Speaker 1: Well, this thing happens where we're like call us, call us,

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Speaker 1: call us, and then we like completely are like forget

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Speaker 1: it exists, and maybe even don't even respond. And then

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Speaker 1: you today were like, wait, you're looking at calls and

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Speaker 1: we're like, wait, we have so many calls. We each have.

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Speaker 2: Things that we like keeping tabs on, and one of

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Speaker 2: mine is the voicemail. I would say, I have you know,

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Speaker 2: if we were in a little in a startup, in

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Speaker 2: the voicemail. That's something that's one of the things I own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Whereas I like, really keep tabs on the discord.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. You keep tabs on the discord more

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Speaker 2: more than I do. I keep tabs on the voicemail.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's something really fun about the voicemail.

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Speaker 1: I don't know this. I like the discord, of course,

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Speaker 1: but well, the voicemail is so classic.

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Speaker 2: It's not only classic, but it's like, especially because we

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Speaker 2: now there's so much pressure to do video and to franchise,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we're of course working on various lines

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Speaker 2: of tank tops and seltzers and socks. It's nice to

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Speaker 2: remember where we came from, which is audio only.

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Speaker 1: Audio only. You know. I want to say something please.

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Speaker 1: I had an alcoholic seltzer recently and somebody was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, this guy in town invented these alcoholic seltzers

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Speaker 1: he didn't invent alcoholic seltzer. He just made one and

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Speaker 1: it's selling because he lives here, and like it's like

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Speaker 1: you can't claim like I invented this alcoholic seltzer. It's

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Speaker 1: like not different than any other alcoholic seltzer in the world.

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Speaker 2: I founded this brand.

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Speaker 1: It drives me insane, and I think this is something

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Speaker 1: worst businessman on planet Earth. Well, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: because we're like, well, if we're doing it has to

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Speaker 1: we could literally slap our name on us Seltzer and

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Speaker 1: be like, DIBs, we invented Seltzer. It's like, but we can't.

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Speaker 2: You would think we are bad at business because we're

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Speaker 2: anti capitalist.

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Speaker 1: It's the opposite.

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Speaker 2: It's that we believe too much in the mythology of

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Speaker 2: to the system, to the like American mythology of being

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Speaker 2: an innovative small business owner, when in fact, what we

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Speaker 1: Steve Jobs already did what Steve Jobs is gonna do.

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Speaker 1: You know, We're not gonna be that. It's time to

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Speaker 1: be like we invented kombucha.

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Speaker 2: No, we need to invent kombucha and fast. I've been

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Speaker 2: finding this also with trends, like here's something and let

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Speaker 2: me know if you agree with this. There's this current

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Speaker 2: thing of macha being a punchline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, like, oh she she.

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Was that not a punchline like ten years ago?

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Speaker 1: No, you're completely correct. We're being gasless, am I, am I,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 2: Am I waking up in the film Girl Interrupted and

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Speaker 2: WHOOPI Goldberg is telling me this is your last chance.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you literally are.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't understand Macha that we did an entire

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Speaker 1: No, I think people are really recycling jokes in a

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Speaker 2: This is also how I felt about newsletters, where there

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Speaker 2: was a first round. And by the way, this also

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Speaker 2: my tongue there. But with newsletters, there was a first

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Speaker 2: like the hot new thing is substack, Like, no, it's.

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Speaker 2: Again we were brainwashed by the innovation mythology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we were by those standards quite late.

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Speaker 1: And then it's completely flipped and now like post pandemic,

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when the stereotype in the beginning was

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Speaker 2: It was like, oh, he lives in Williamsburg and has

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Speaker 2: And and he likes craft craft cocktails. Now I guess

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Speaker 2: that the stereotype is now that it's that it's like

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Speaker 1: Sure for sure, it's replaced the Talking Dead for example. Mmm.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So anyway, we wanted to check in on our

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Speaker 2: favorite podcasters, which are people that leave calls and they

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Speaker 2: are calls for the first podcast. Yes, they are micro podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm mm hmm. So should we hit us with

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Speaker 1: hit the first one? Yes?

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Speaker 2: And I will be if anyone's watching, I will be

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Speaker 2: for it. We live in an age of information, and

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Speaker 2: the more the better, I.

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Speaker 1: Say, And in solidarity, I will look at my phone intermittently.

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Speaker 2: But you're just sort of be on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just sort of responding to messages and liking stuff.

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Speaker 3: All right, I Siv and George, I wanted to know

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Speaker 3: what you think about the tell a fun fact about

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Speaker 3: you guys have a go to fun fact that you

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Speaker 3: The second part to my question is what do you

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Speaker 3: upon asking a fun fact about yourself. I'd be curious

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Speaker 1: Okay, amazing question and get used to hearing that, because

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Speaker 2: One is especially good because fun fact culture is exactly

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Speaker 1: I really think this is amazing. I personally I agree.

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Speaker 1: Because that's an amazing fun fact. Oh you're so lucky.

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Speaker 2: People don't expect it. It's like a country that is

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Speaker 5: Who clamor girl? This is a message for Sam after

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Speaker 1: into you. I cannot stop making the Boo boo parody songs,

435
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Speaker 1: and just the word la Boo boo does hit so hard.

436
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: So speaking of La Boo Boo, this episode originally was

437
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Speaker 2: going to be us doing a kind of straight culture

438
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: check in, because Sam and I both have this thing

439
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 2: where when something like La Boo Boo or like Hoctua

440
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 2: is on the rise, we have a truly allergic reaction.

441
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: We just we can't believe how low we've fallen as

442
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: a culture.

443
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: We are so.

444
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: Upset that we're even at the idea of even having

445
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Speaker 2: a negative opinion about something. We just want to close

446
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: our eyes and say, can we please just ride this out?

447
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: Can I just skip the chapter of my life where

448
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: I know what laboobo and Haktua are and like Coldplay couple,

449
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: Like I can't deal with these things. But then I've

450
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: noticed something that's happening that happens with us, is that

451
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: then the time passes, and then when other people, when

452
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: the people participating or tired of it, suddenly we're like,

453
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: la boo boo.

454
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Speaker 1: It becomes fun again. There's like when there's a sense

455
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Speaker 1: of irony attached to it.

456
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now suddenly I am like and because we

457
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: avoid learning about it, I like still don't know what

458
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: labooboo is, but now I'm suddenly like, wait, I kind

459
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: of want to know.

460
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Speaker 1: Well, I desperately want a la boo boo. I cannot know.

461
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Speaker 1: They are so funny. The word is so crazy. So

462
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Speaker 1: I love la boo boo. The other day I did

463
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: a parody song with La Boo Boo that was I'm

464
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: getting a La boo boo. I'm having a La boo boo.

465
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Speaker 1: You know, I love a boo boo And I'm the

466
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: like Madonna rap from American Life, and it's like this

467
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: is so not on, this doesn't make any sense.

468
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Speaker 2: But I was like, this is the funny thing. I'm

469
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Speaker 2: having a la boo boo. I'm buying a la boo

470
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Speaker 2: boo I have in my lab boo boo. And you

471
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Speaker 2: know I'm satisfied. I keeping my lab bo boo, and

472
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: I love my little boo boo. And and I still

473
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: have my lab boo boo. Do you think I'm satisfied?

474
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Speaker 2: I'd like to extress my lab boo boo point of view.

475
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Speaker 1: I'm not a boo, I'm not my boo boo.

476
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Speaker 2: I'm just living out the American boo. And I just

477
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Speaker 2: realized La Boo Boo is ba boo Booooooo.

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Speaker 8: Sam and George calling you from sunny Oakland, California. My

479
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 8: question is, which is often a debate with my friend,

480
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 8: who is another loyal listener, is Trader Joe's great or gay?

481
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 8: We are on opposite side of the spectrum and we

482
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 8: can never agree. So would love to hear what you think. Okay,

483
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 8: I love Yeah.

484
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Speaker 1: I think Trader Joe's is liberal. Mm hmmm. I think

485
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: Trader Joe's is lib role.

486
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Speaker 2: You think Trader Joe's that sign that's like in this

487
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: house we believe immigrants are Americans, Black lives matter.

488
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think. I think as far as gay,

489
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: you're straight. I guess that leads me more straight. Like

490
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: there's something so sincere about a Trader Joe's, Like even

491
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: the silly snacks. It's like, this is a silly snack

492
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: you like? But I could be I could I could

493
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: be proven wrong.

494
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Speaker 2: If you want to know, I completely agree. I mean,

495
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: it's basically a grocery store for Disney adults. Wow, it's

496
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: just like it's to have the fandom around it is

497
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: uniquely immature, and I think part of that is that

498
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: famously it has terrible produce, so it's literally not for

499
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: people that are cooking it is. It's it feels like

500
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: baby's first trip to the grocery store. Yeah, and I

501
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: don't like the vibes.

502
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have no relationship with Trader Joe's. I've entered

503
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: a Trader Joe's maybe three times in my entire life.

504
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so here's my relationship to Trader Joe's. When

505
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: I first graduated from college, I lived in a big

506
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: house with six other people in San Francisco, and we

507
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: would go and we, like none of us made a

508
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: lot of money. We would go as a group and

509
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: get a giant order and put it on our split wise,

510
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: and we would have this giant order at home, and

511
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: each of us is paying like twenty five dollars because

512
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: it's so affordable. And we were making the frozen the

513
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: frozen mushroom risotto, and we were buying the boxed wine,

514
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: boxed Trader Joe's brand wine, and we were buying like,

515
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, snicker doodles that were Trader Joe's branded, and

516
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: it just it's like, well, one day we'll graduate to

517
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: real food, but this is this is like between college

518
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: and real life.

519
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you describing it makes it be like, oh, it's

520
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: actually shocking that I don't have a relationship with Trader

521
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: Joe's because that is, unfortunately the way that I dream

522
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: of food being.

523
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Speaker 2: Why do you think you as someone who doesn't really cook, Yeah,

524
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: it would make sense if you did have a relationship

525
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: with Trader Joe's, because I think it is an approachable

526
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: grocery store for someone who maybe doesn't feel one hundred

527
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: percent comfortable in a normal one.

528
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the amazing thing about me is I

529
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: neither cook nor do I crave convenient foods. I'm just

530
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: sort of like like I crave like the adult, like

531
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: I wish I cooked and so it's sort of like

532
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm like in this middle place where I'm just like, well,

533
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: I just won't eat, Like I'm sort of like, okay,

534
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: well I'm just having like an apple today.

535
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you are also you actually also have particular

536
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: tastes in food. Yeah, you're not like happy eating at

537
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: an airport.

538
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not. But I used to say, you're.

539
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: Not like Julio, who like eats Tempe like over the sink.

540
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. Used to claim I wanted a dining

541
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: hall for my whole life.

542
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 5: Oh.

543
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well you would honestly love Trader Joe's.

544
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Then I know it's too bad.

545
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 6: Hi, Sam and George. I am curious about the state

546
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 6: of bush culture right now, our bushes in or out.

547
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 6: I feel like I've seen an uptick recently in people

548
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 6: who are shaving bush, and I'm a little concerned. I'm

549
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 6: curious if you guys are are noticing the same thing.

550
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: Is this our recession indicator? Are we now in fully

551
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 6: a post bush versus non bush dichotomy. I'm also curious

552
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 6: about what you're seeing in LA and New York.

553
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this depends more on your demographic.

554
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: I feel that there was a community that like of

555
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: gay guys here. I feel like that we're like calling

556
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: it like bush summer or something like I've seen. I've

557
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: heard the words bush.

558
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: Summer to me off the top of my head. If

559
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: you were to gun to my head, is bushinarada? I

560
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: would say?

561
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 9: In?

562
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: I would say in, I can't. I haven't come across

563
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: a shaven bush in a long time.

564
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: I someone we know recently showed me a photo of

565
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Speaker 2: a photograph they received on grinder m hmm. And it

566
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: was a completely shaven bush that had a Where's Waldow tattoo? Whoa,

567
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: So it was Waldo? It was Waldo and no hair.

568
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: That is so wild.

569
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: But here's what that means to me. The people shaving

570
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: their bush are the people with Where's Waldow tattoos?

571
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: That is interesting, it's niche.

572
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: It's it's no longer like that. You are out of

573
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: the you are out of the norm.

574
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're paying all that money for Where's Waldo? Tattoo,

575
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna shave the bush to show it off, right exactly?

576
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: Although to me, I'm like, have him sorry hiding behind

577
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: the bush. That's sort of his whole thing is that

578
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: he's hiding and you have to find him, like it

579
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: is completely besides the point if you're gonna have a

580
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: warres Waldo tattoo are there to then like expose it

581
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: completely because they know the message. It's like, yeah, I

582
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: found Waldough, that was easy, that was easy.

583
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: You need to make it hard, Like how funny to

584
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: like be digging through someone's pubes and be like is

585
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: that Waldo? And then they're like you found him exactly?

586
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: Hello, don't you ruined the child? Childlike?

587
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: Joy?

588
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: I would get doing that anyway.

589
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: So experience discovery?

590
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: No literally so but no, I think to me, I

591
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: think when it comes to men, because I can't speak

592
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: for women, we are in like a very actually nice, balanced,

593
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: liberated place with body hair. I feel like we've gone

594
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: in both ends of the spectrum and now I genuinely

595
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: feel like anyone can do whatever they want.

596
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that way as well. I wonder if

597
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: that's actually happening or it's just that we were getting

598
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: older and everyone gets more constable as they age. I

599
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: can't tell that's true.

600
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: Well, okay, here's a way to answer that. What is

601
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: happening in media depictions? Because in fact, now that I'm

602
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: thinking about it, it is true that we're going in

603
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: a more hairless direction. If you think about like Jacob

604
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: Lordie even all of that, like Andrew Scott and Paul

605
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: Meskal and Timothy's shadow, Like who is even Pedro Pascal

606
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: is actually being waxed head to toe.

607
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: I know I am trying to think, but I have

608
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: to assume Pedro has pubes pub Yes, he's like man

609
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: other people.

610
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: You know, body hair is the pubes of the rest

611
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: of the body. And it because we can't actually show

612
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: pubes on TV. It's a showing body hair is a

613
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: is a bat signal to say bush is Okay.

614
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point.

615
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: And who is the hairriest famous man right now?

616
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: You're right. I can't think of a one. I can't

617
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: think of one hairy famous man.

618
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: The one I can think of is the one guy

619
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Speaker 2: from Gilded Age.

620
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: You know what?

621
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: You know that guy? No, I don't know that.

622
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: I look up Morgan Spector.

623
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: Oh was he the one that said, like street people

624
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: can be Thompson Bottom. Yes, correct, Yeah, okay, sure, So

625
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: here's the thing.

626
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: Obviously he is, but he it's sorry, but it is

627
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: such a respectable, groomed kind of Harry.

628
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't know. Now, I'm now, I'm now,

629
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm worried. I'm worried. Well, everybody grow out your pubes.

630
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: It's an active resistance.

631
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and time is honestly running out yep.

632
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Speaker 10: Okay, Hi, George and Sam.

633
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 11: Because I'm a fifty year old woman, I.

634
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 10: Don't actually know who heim is or who I'm are

635
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 10: not sure of the correct subject groob agreement, but I

636
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 10: would like you to play the hide game with these

637
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 10: three drugs, cocaine, molly, and mushrooms, and in general, I'd

638
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 10: love to hear more about your relationship and.

639
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: Experiences with drugs.

640
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for making life more interesting.

641
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: Okay, time game with molly, mushrooms and cocaine.

642
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: Okay. I think I kind of think Sti is Mollie Okay,

643
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: because there's something about her where she's just like I

644
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: love everybody. I kind of think Danielle might be cocaine

645
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: because she's business oriented totally, and I think that means

646
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Alana is mushrooms.

647
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: Alana's mushrooms because she's she does have a sort of

648
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: distant look in her eyes sometimes and like she could

649
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: be on mushrooms actually.

650
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: And she seems like she has a chill about her

651
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: while still being like kind of productive.

652
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, and I think she has a sort

653
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: of sense of being one with her surroundings. Yes, she

654
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have a laser focus that I'm seeing in Danielle

655
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: and STI, But much like many people who have had

656
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: life altering experiences with mushrooms, she also is kind of

657
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: doing amazing in life.

658
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, she sees through great. We nailed that,

659
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: all right, And our experience with drugs is we don't

660
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: touch the stuff.

661
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

662
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Oh, this is a really good one.

663
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 8: Hi, Sam and George.

664
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Speaker 12: I dialed one eight hundred gay guys, which was like

665
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 12: a foreign call in thing. So can you guys like

666
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 12: reimburse me for any charges that might have gone into

667
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 12: when I was there. Additionally, my original question was, do

668
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 12: you think being gay is the same thing as recency bias?

669
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 12: Like every gay guy gets so excited by every new

670
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 12: thing and then we never talk about it again. Adel's thirty,

671
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 12: the new Lord single that we're inevitably not going to

672
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 12: talk about in like two weeks. I just really think

673
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 12: that recency bias is the same thing as being gay.

674
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: Thanks, So I just want to say that was May thirty.

675
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: That's why the Lord single was relevant. This person didn't

676
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: just wake up from a coma. So first of all,

677
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: I actually was really talking about something that only made

678
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: me laugh. As I was listening to this call, I

679
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: said to myself, drag name recency bias, and oh literally

680
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: chuckled out loud on the street.

681
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: That's amazing. What do you think about this theory? I think, well,

682
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I think this could be seen in two ways, where

683
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: like the recency bias is real. Like I do think

684
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: gay guys really love to be like on What's Now

685
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: and you know, they'll be forty five and standing a

686
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: sixteen year old pop girl and that's like I think

687
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: that is like kind of interesting and fun. But there's

688
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: like the other side of that is that like straight

689
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: people freeze often in like what was happening when they

690
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: were twenty five, yes and so, and they don't have

691
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: shame about that. I think gay guys obviously look back

692
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: home what happened when they were twenty five and like

693
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: love that and they're like, you weren't there, you weren't there.

694
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: But then I think there's a there's still a yearning

695
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: to learn what's happening and to like believe the youth

696
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: and be like, maybe there's a point to this song.

697
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a point to this singer that I don't

698
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: think straight people haven't totally.

699
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: I think it's more straight to be past oriented and

700
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: more gay to be future oriented. Yeah, which is why

701
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: the only person that has managed to capture both communities

702
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: is Dua Lipa with future nostalgia.

703
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: There was something I remember being like, because I am

704
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: older than Lord, I am older than Lord. I don't

705
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: remember our age gap, but I am older than Lord.

706
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: Like I was in my twenties when Royals came out,

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, Okay, this girl is sixteen

708
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: and I am, let's say twenty four, potentially. I was

709
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: living in New York and I was like, am I

710
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: going to stand a sixteen year old? And I was

711
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: like that can't be me. And then I remember talking

712
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: about a fork in the road and being like, you

713
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: know what, I'm actually twenty four, and I'm only going

714
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: to get older and the girls are going to keep

715
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: being sixteen to twenty and so I'm gonna start standing

716
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: them no matter what, and I'm not gonna resist. I'm

717
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: just gonna run towards it. And I think that was

718
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: a huge point of change for me. Yeah. No, it's interesting.

719
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: Recency bias, of course, can be limiting in some ways.

720
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: It's like, well, if you don't know history or doomed

721
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: to repeat it. But then it can also be a

722
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: very positive thing and that you are keeping an open

723
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: mind and taking you things seriously and not taking things

724
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: from your past more seriously because they are connected to you,

725
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: which is how we get quite frankly fascism.

726
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Which I do think gay guys are all right. There's

727
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: also something like the recency bias more is an issue.

728
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: I think when a person is flopping, Like when a

729
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: person is flopping, they're like, I hate her, I've always

730
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: hated her. She's to die a really good point. Yeah yeah,

731
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, but you have to understand, like

732
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: you're deal, you have a bias because you loved her

733
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: when she was fresh, and now that she's like been

734
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: around for a while, there's not that element of surprise,

735
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: and you're forgetting that there's a whole arc that we're

736
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: all going to go on. Yeah.

737
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I actually think it is

738
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: somewhat healthier to do the thing that let's say a

739
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: straight like let's say someone who loves Tarantino, like that

740
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: person's never gonna forget pulp fiction. They're not gonna be like, well,

741
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: his latest was bad, so now I don't like him

742
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: anymore exactly. And I do think there's something nice about

743
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: that kind of loyalty. Y and I actually think it

744
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: is necessary for a fan to remember the things they

745
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: did like because that helps them give the benefit of

746
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: the doubt to the new things that they might not

747
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: immediately connect with.

748
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, if you take them seriously as an artist,

749
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: you should care when they make a mistake as much

750
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: as when they make a hit, because it's like interesting

751
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: to see what they were thinking and why Yeah, sorry

752
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: to be a genius.

753
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: No, No, that's absolutely genius. Do you think racist advice? Also,

754
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's any way to use

755
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: this lens to talk about something that isn't a pop

756
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: culture and pop music, Like is it is?

757
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: You got me there?

758
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm like, is there something

759
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: about how being open to new experience?

760
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: Now let's move on?

761
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 12: Hi.

762
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: I was so listening to your episode about Yo Yo's

763
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 4: and in it you ask is what's the youth today?

764
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Is?

765
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: Like Bear Dave Matthews band. I work with teams at

766
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: a residential treatment center, so it's a specific population, but

767
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: it's like teens who have tried to kill themselves super cool.

768
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: I love them. And here's what they love to listen

769
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 4: to from older and don't say to tell you it's Nickelback.

770
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: They all love Nickelback, they love MTMT, they like love

771
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: music from twenty like two thousand and five to twenty eleven.

772
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: I would say the fray I get asked to play

773
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 4: that how to Save a Life song all the time.

774
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: So start kid cutting, pursuit of the song, pursue happiness.

775
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: It's going to be like on my spots, I wrapped,

776
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: I've heard of God. So they all still have really

777
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: positive feelings about Kanye. I want you to know that

778
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: as well. Chance the rapper is still huge?

779
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: Is that Gronky still huge?

780
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 11: So yeah, they didn't know who Destiny's child.

781
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 4: Was, so like, that's just some context for for where

782
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: the kids are at today.

783
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Okay, love you by I'm sorry. That was the most

784
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: shocking call I've ever heard in so many ways. At first,

785
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: I was like I'm listening, I'm nodding, I'm agreeing, Like

786
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, I had like a point to make about

787
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: like nickel Back, being like, yeah, like I think there's

788
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: a difference there that you're not acknowledging, where like nickel

789
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: Back is a little bit ironic, whereas like and like

790
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: they like it, but it's there's like a sense of

791
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: lol to it. And then like kid Cutty, I was like, oh,

792
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: how fun. Like Pursuit of Happiness is always going to

793
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: be a hit. Put it on, put it on, put

794
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: it on. Kanye. I get they can sort of zoom

795
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: out and be like, you know, he's crazy, but look,

796
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: listen to these hits from the past, and then like,

797
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: but you really really lost me. I have to be

798
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: honest at Chance the Rapper, Wait time, Well, I was there.

799
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: I loved Chance the Rapper. You know, Acid Rap was

800
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: to die for. And then Coloring Book, the one that

801
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Kanye produced, was really great, and then I was and

802
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: then he fell off in such a big way. And

803
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm surprised that the youth like him,

804
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: because everything I see online and otherwise is sort of

805
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: still treating him a little bit like a joke and

806
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: like someone who fell off really hard. Well, he's a.

807
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: Very like quintessential millennial artist.

808
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: Yes, very sincere, very like like earnest and like, look

809
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I look at what I did. I'm here, corny is

810
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting the notes? Yes? Yeah, So I don't know,

811
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? I mean.

812
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: It is The irony point is interesting because I genuinely

813
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying about Nickelback fandom being semi ironic.

814
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: But here's my counterpoint to that.

815
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: Like when millennials rediscovered Journey, was that ironic.

816
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 13: Oohoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, because there was a point when

817
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 13: people when don't stop believing was like earnestly back.

818
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: And then of course there was a backlash and there

819
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: were people being like, well, don't whatever you do, don't

820
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: play Journey at your wedding. But there was a point

821
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: when that was back earnestly. Yeah, you're right, And I

822
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: almost think it's like, wel like, maybe older people are

823
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: doing the ironic Nickelback thing and younger people who weren't

824
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: alive for the absolute reputation end of Nickelback just you know,

825
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: are are interpreting the way the first listeners did, which

826
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: is that they liked it, because I mean, people.

827
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Forget that was a very part those are very popular songs.

828
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: That is a very interesting read. And I think you

829
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: could be right. I think you could be right, and

830
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: you're changing my perspective and it's obviously scaring me. I mean,

831
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: you need to process that.

832
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I I have to say, it's interesting the

833
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: ones you pointed out the one that stuck out to me.

834
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: And maybe there's some online thing.

835
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: I don't know about the fray So this didn't freak

836
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: me out because I feel like this style is coming back,

837
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: Like I think the sincerity is fun and I do

838
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: think people are like craving like it. They obviously they

839
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: were a huge band, but they kind of had like

840
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: a cold Play esque like in the beginning, like almost

841
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: like an indie sensibility that they did really big. And

842
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: I think when we were growing up and they were

843
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: like coming up, we could sort of like tell the

844
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: difference in the context and be like they're more produced,

845
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: they're more blank, they're more blank, But without the context,

846
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, no, they're like a sort of

847
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: like an indie pop piano band. Like I think you

848
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: like Loo you think of them in that like almost

849
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: indie thing. Do you know who?

850
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: I think would be a great addition to this list.

851
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: Is Jet Are you going to be my girl as

852
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: something that randomly young people are into.

853
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent right. I think we

854
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: will be having a Jet renaissance before we know it. Huh.

855
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we touched on this a little bit

856
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: in our episode with Josh Gondlman. But if you happen

857
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: to be on Twitter of the last couple of weeks,

858
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: you saw a rehab, you saw a debate about the

859
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Zero song home, which actually

860
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: did make me feel kind of nuts.

861
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: It did make me feel nuts, And I actually want

862
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: to say that the other night I couldn't sleep because

863
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking about what I said during that episode,

864
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: and I was like do I agree with it or

865
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: do I Like, I was like one of those things,

866
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: I rarely regret what I say on this podcast or

867
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: even like question it. Like I'm also like if I

868
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: said it whatever I believed in the moment and move on.

869
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: And then for that I was like, am I going

870
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: to be like on record forever? Being like actually Edward

871
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Troup the Magnetic Zeros was different than the Luminators and

872
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: mum for incense, And I was like, I don't know

873
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna want that to be.

874
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Was your point that Edward Tarvia Magnagus were more or

875
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: less quote unquote cool.

876
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I argued they were more cool and they were more

877
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: like the like like Mumford and Son's heard them and

878
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: was like, we can do this with more of a

879
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: commercial viewpoint.

880
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: This is interesting because I have to say, to me,

881
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: I was not into indie rock at the time. Like

882
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: when I think of like what I was listening to

883
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: in the twenty tens, I was like, I was of

884
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: like new stuff. Well, first of all, I was listening

885
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: to like Nico Kasid feel an Apple. But then I

886
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: was like, okay, I was interested in like some of

887
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: the more electronic things that were happening. I was like

888
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: really into Grimes, I was into Sky Ferreira. Like I

889
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: to me, all of those bands, I became aware of

890
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: them first as punchlines and then as something I got into.

891
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: Like a good example of this is Vampire Weekend. First

892
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: I first learned a Vampire Weekend as something people made

893
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: fun of, and then I like did some digging and

894
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I actually I don't

895
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: care what people say.

896
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: I actually like this.

897
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: And then I do you think they've sort of stood

898
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: the test of time in the way that now they're

899
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: no longer a punchline.

900
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: That is so interesting because my especially Vampire Weekend, they

901
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: were like an essential for me. Yeah, where it was

902
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: also like I got the leak like two months before

903
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: the album came out, and me and my friends were

904
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: listening to it and we're like, fuck, this is fucking good. Wait.

905
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: I actually do want to say that the indie rock

906
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: that I liked was it was like raisedly bear, local

907
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: natives yaysayer, like it was that where do you think

908
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: that fits?

909
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: It was?

910
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: It was the It was not like the sort of

911
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Americana stomp clap.

912
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to be clear, I wasn't listening

913
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: to Edward Trump the Magnetic Zeros. I just knew it better.

914
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: I knew it first as like the thing like I

915
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: was sort of like I can listen when Home is on.

916
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining, Whereas whenever Munford and Sons came on,

917
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: I was like get this shit away from me. Got it,

918
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: and like I was like this era is over. But

919
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I did go into this. I did love like Vampire Weekend.

920
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: I love the like you know, preppiness, the like boat

921
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: shoe vibe like I was an American apparel boat shoes diva, Yeah,

922
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: or like you know what I you know what was

923
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: I like like Future Islands? I loved Future Islands. Oh

924
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: my god, this.

925
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 11: Is Annabelle calling from Scihim, Massachusetts. Uh. My question today

926
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 11: is less of a per and more of a pop

927
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 11: and by that I mean the less of a personal

928
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 11: question and more of a pop culture question. I recall

929
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 11: recently on the pod a discussion of when Demi Lovado

930
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 11: was famously in Zemi era and then was kind of.

931
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: Like never mind.

932
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 11: And I'm just thinking about that concept specifically read the

933
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 11: Jojo Seewaw recloseting, if that is a term by which

934
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 11: I mean, of course, the phenomenon in which JoJo's Sea

935
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 11: went on Big Brother after coming out as a lesbie and

936
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 11: started a relationship with a white man who is sis

937
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 11: and ten years older than her and was kind of

938
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 11: like never mind, I'm not a lesbian anymore, I guess

939
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 11: as they're now officially dated, and just wondering if you

940
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 11: could share some thoughts on that and if there is

941
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 11: an official term for that type of phenomenon where somebody

942
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 11: goes back into the closet or comes back out as sis.

943
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 11: I've stood around the term neverminders, I famously mentioned the

944
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 11: term recloseting. Just wondering about your thoughts on that, as

945
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 11: I feel that I've since the shift in the pop

946
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 11: where more and more people are doing this over the

947
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 11: last couple of years. Anyway, I love the pod keep

948
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 11: up the great work and SAMs. Don't let the unemployment

949
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 11: gets you down. You are going to be in your

950
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 11: creative diva era anyway.

951
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 9: Lay First of all.

952
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: I like the terminology of per versus pop personal versus

953
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: pop culture and say, I want to say the per

954
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: is pop, meaning the personal is pop culture when it

955
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: comes to gay guys that famous praise.

956
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: So what do you think about this? First of all,

957
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's just living out loud.

958
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: I agree. I actually think it's so cool that Demi

959
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: Lovado was like I know them and then was like

960
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: never mind. Like there's something about that where I'm like,

961
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: good for you, like you because you do have to

962
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: like try it out, like feel it out. Like we

963
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: all have different relationships to our gender and our sexuality,

964
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: and it's like sometimes you're like maybe I'm this, and

965
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: then like you do want people to respect you with

966
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: it and be like okay, I'm this now, and then

967
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: you're like, ah, eh, whatever, I don't need to be

968
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: that anymore. Like I'm kind of like go off.

969
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: I It's funny. I cannot begin to imagine what Demi

970
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 2: Levado's information intake is start there. Would I would love

971
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: to know, because you're you're already starting from a point

972
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: of like Demi Levado knows all the relevant definitions, took

973
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: that in, uh, noticed how she felt about her own gender,

974
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: and then was like got it. So from these options,

975
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: I am they them. I think it is so much

976
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: more avant garde than that. I think Demi like read

977
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: one thing was like they that is fab Like that

978
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm multiple people and and like maybe had

979
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: a friend that taught her a new phrase. I think

980
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: she's like a very open minded person that that is

981
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: wanting to sort of like participate in things that are

982
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: going on. I think she also probably does feel what's

983
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: the word like entrapped by the kind of like expectations

984
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: of femininity that anyone would feel as like a big

985
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: pop star that whose job is to have long hair

986
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: and belt out tunes while wearing a little bikini. Yeah,

987
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: so it's sort of like out of all of that,

988
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: it was like it all went into the cauldron and

989
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: what came out was they them.

990
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's a good read. I yeah,

991
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: I think you're correct, and there's something but I am

992
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: just sort of like calling especially the jujousa things like

993
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: calling it like read closet. I'm like, well, there's not

994
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: going back in the closet, Like it's more like an

995
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: expansion of what totally this house is.

996
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: I also it's like Demi, if anything, Demi Levado becomes

997
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: more LGBTU. Plus when she goes back to she her.

998
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: Of course, I think the judgesa thing I don't. I'm

999
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: so like uninterested in analyzing because Jojosia is just so

1000
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: young and has had so such strange life experiences that like, yes,

1001
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: she's gonna go ahead and like have a turbbulent sort

1002
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: of time period between the ages of like sixteen and

1003
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: twenty six, and we'll sort of see where she comes

1004
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: out when that's over. On a broader level, I think

1005
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: one fun thing we could all do is move away

1006
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: from the framework being identity and towards a framework of

1007
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: like action. I just like don't care about like trading

1008
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: identity markers as though they are flashcards and as though

1009
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: it's like, oh no, this one, declined, declined, I guess

1010
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: I'll have this one, like, oh now I'm doing this one.

1011
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: It's tell me what you're up to, tell me what

1012
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: you're up to, tell me what you're doing, like I

1013
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: want And that's more interesting because then now we have

1014
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: a story because guess what identity is.

1015
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: That's just establishing characters. But we still need a story,

1016
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: and for someone like Jojou's Eva. I know you just

1017
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: said sounding interesting, but like Jojozia is hooking up with

1018
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: this guy, Like I'm sort of like, go off. I

1019
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: don't care if she's still like I'm a lesbian and

1020
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend. Now I'm like, exactly who cares?

1021
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: Like all I care about is what you're up to,

1022
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: and you are doing something weird, and I love that.

1023
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: Like the interesting thing is the narrative that happened on

1024
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: whatever show Big Brother or whatever show she was on

1025
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: and then and like that and that budding relationship rather

1026
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: than like, wait, first she was with a woman and

1027
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: now she's with a man.

1028
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: What does that mean for her? Fixed?

1029
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: What is her passport gonna say it's very legal.

1030
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: It's very legal, and it's like you guys, it's not

1031
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: a legal document, like, it's so not like that.

1032
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: Also, that's not what closet means.

1033
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: Little rah Lee liater La.

1034
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: Going back in the closet, especially in entertainment, is a

1035
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: very specific thing. What it means is what Pee Herman did.

1036
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: It means being out in your private in your uh,

1037
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: you know, among your family and friends. Then because you

1038
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: are becoming famous, no longer being out.

1039
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, publicly and being like and literally lying and being like,

1040
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm dating this random woman to be like, because you're

1041
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: hiding your sexuality.

1042
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: Correct, you know what is liberating literally just becoming gay

1043
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: or straight whenever you want. Yes, it's the opposite of

1044
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: being in the closet. You are, in fact in control

1045
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: of your sexuality.

1046
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: Closet doesn't just mean gay. Why are we like this?

1047
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what. I don't know who,

1048
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: I'm who, I'm even targeting my ingrat.

1049
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm also just so pro, as you know, I'm like

1050
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: so pro Demi Lato right now, which, as you is

1051
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: a huge shift for me, if you know, I don't know,

1052
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: if you remember my very old joke that was like

1053
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: a quote unquote gay dad joke where my dad would say,

1054
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a bottle. I'd rather have a bottle

1055
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: in front of me than a frontel a botomy, and

1056
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: then I would And then my version of that was

1057
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a frontal lobotomy than a Demi Levado

1058
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: in front of me. And but now I'm like that

1059
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: I was so wrong. I think she is a beautiful artist,

1060
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: and I think she is a tortured soul, and I

1061
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: think she is Everything she does is up through hard

1062
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: work and persistence, and I celebrate her.

1063
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: So I do think to go back to the recency

1064
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: bias thing, there is something that we have, which is

1065
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: the tortured women of our youth. We will of course

1066
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 2: always support. And I think it's great that Damiela Vada

1067
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: is still releasing good music by all counts. But even

1068
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: if she wasn't, it doesn't matter.

1069
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: Like and I'm.

1070
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,479
Speaker 2: Actually like I feel this way with Lindsay low Henry.

1071
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: People keep being like, she's back, she's back, She's never going.

1072
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: To be back. She's never gonna be back, folks. But

1073
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: I still support her and I'm glad she's worth It's

1074
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: not about her.

1075
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not about her being back, it's about her

1076
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: being upright. Yeah, yeah, which is also actually I will say,

1077
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: someone who is back is Pam Anderson. But but even

1078
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: if she wasn't back, I'd be like, no, we are

1079
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: supporting you.

1080
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's still back. Well, you didn't tell

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Speaker 1: what you thought. Me making gun by the way, loved it,

1082
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: loved it. What a treat when she scats come on, Well,

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Speaker 1: I will say my one complain.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, she was so good at she was so

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00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: good when she was given meaty stuff to do that.

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00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, give her like two more, Yeah, she needed

1087
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: two more. She was so good.

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: No, she was so great it really, I mean, what

1089
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: are the chances that this would happen for her?

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00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: And I know at this stage it's.

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00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: It's almost like perfectly orchestrated by like a dark web

1092
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: of of sort of CIA powered gay guys.

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00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. I've got to get to those gay

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00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: guy parties.

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00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: I know, literally, what if that happens for Carmen Electra.

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00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: I guess that'd be cool. I don't know much about her,

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00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: to be honest, She.

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Speaker 2: To me, am I wrong that there was a time

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Speaker 2: when those were like the Big two, like Poornie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's the name for hot. Carmen Electra, a

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00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: name is synonymous with yes, Carmen Electra, Like come on, yeah,

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00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: she machi. It's like, you're not trying to carbon electro

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00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: kill yourself.

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00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: No, it was literally it would be like the ca

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00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: She'd be doing a cameo in a movie and the

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00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: joke is, oh my god, he dated Carmen Electra.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have no idea what she's up to,

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00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: and I also think with when it comes up.

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00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: So Carmen Electra obviously has a leg up because the

1111
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: name itself is a sexy name. Carmen Electra. Ooh, and like,

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00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: where is Pamela Anderson? She made Pamela sexy and say that. No,

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00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: it's actually crazy what she did. She know what is

1114
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: a trailblazer? You know what?

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00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: It's similar to Barbie the doll making the name Barbara

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00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: like youthful. Oh you believe that the name Barbie is

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00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: a grandmother's name.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing, You know what I was thinking. This

1119
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: is not related at all, You know what I was thinking.

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00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: This is similar to the things that we think are

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00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: funny that aren't, like jokes or anything. Novel coronavirus. Hmmm,

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00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: so it's called it's called novel because it was new, Yes,

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00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: that's literally it what like it was called how novel

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00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: this coronavirus? Like I'm like, that is crazy. I thought

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00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: it was just like the novel Corona. Like I thought

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00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: it was like the novel coronavirus. Like I was like,

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00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: you don't need to put a novel every time, then,

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00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: like it's just like just call it the coronavirus.

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Speaker 2: But oh god, now I'm gonna sound so stupid, is it?

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Speaker 2: Because the term coronavirus could also refer to something else

1131
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: or like.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, don't, don't, don't do this?

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: I had what is covid? What are the what are

1134
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: the initials of COVID?

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Speaker 1: Well, my big conspiracy, of course is that Corona the

1136
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: company made them stop saying it.

1137
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, And of course my big and of course,

1138
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 2: my big conspiracy is that vaccines don't work.

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00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: What God, I remember getting a case of Corona's when

1140
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: that virus was hidden and going, this doesn't feel right,

1141
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: This does not feel right. I mean just as I

1142
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: wanted them. I wanted that beer.

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Speaker 2: You know, it reminds me of it used to be.

1144
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: People don't remember it used to be that the name

1145
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Isis was a really beautiful name for a girl. Oh

1146
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: my god, and like it's it was like an old name.

1147
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: It was like being named Astrid.

1148
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Imagine if Astrid was then new terrorist group, the

1149
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: new terrorist group. My head got caught off by Astrid. Oh,

1150
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: that would be a nightmare. That's tough. Fuck. I think

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00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: if you were a cool girl named Isis, I think

1152
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: you should just be allowed a free pass to change

1153
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: your name to Astrid. Oh that's a good idea. They

1154
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: should pass a law. They should pass a law be like,

1155
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: you're no longer Isis, You're Astrid.

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. Actually, yeah, yeah, it's sad because

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00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: it actually is a cool name.

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: It's a cool name. And Corona is a great name

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00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: for a beer. Oh my god, Corona beautiful. The novel Coronavirus, Oh, oh, novel,

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Little Scientists, Well, isn't that novel. I've

1161
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: never seen this one. I hate it. I want to

1162
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: go fast.

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00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: We have been through so much in the last six years,

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00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: and thank god we've been here to document it all.

1165
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: I know one day I actually am excited for our

1166
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: podcast to be in a museum about what it was

1167
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: like to live through the pandemic.

1168
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: No, it's it will be and it will be. Uh

1169
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: the episode where Dan Lacatta's topic is shitting.

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00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: There's almost there's almost. If we were a little more

1171
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: self indulgent and also geniuses, if we would go back

1172
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: and listen to our own episodes and react to them.

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00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you believe? Can you imagine?

1174
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: Rather I can't imagine.

1175
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: I almost am like, we should do that just once.

1176
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, we are different people. I would love to

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00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: know what it sounds like.

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: Different, like in a truly substantial fundamental ways, Like at

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: our core, we are different people with different values.

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that is wild. Remember how I was always

1181
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: hungover when we were recording Now, I've never hungover, always hungover,

1182
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: and that was like part of the joke.

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so, We're all, yeah, we were trying

1184
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: to we want it so badly for the joke to

1185
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: be that we were not actually doing a podcast, And

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01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: I thought the funniest thing I could be was incredibly

1187
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: abrasive and rude to everyone. I also was very like,

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01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: I feel like I was very nervous that I would

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: come off dumb. And so I would compensate by like

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Speaker 2: just just like it's like, okay, let's say I say

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: a dumb sentence then being like by the way, I

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 2: know a different word and it's long.

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Speaker 1: Damn. I love that we're now recounting this. This is fun.

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: I know. Well, should we wrap it up?

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know. Any final thoughts on the boo boos?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is a larger conversation, but at

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: some point we should have a larger conversation about like

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Speaker 2: the these types of things. I'm thinking beanie babies, furbies,

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: la boo boos. There is a there is a deep

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01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: like I don't know, Freudian instinct or something.

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Speaker 1: This is genius.

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01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: You have like a collectible little monsters that are objectively

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: cheap and ugly looking.

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: There is a Okay, I've heard this thing once where

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01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: there's like every culture invents the dragon, like separately from

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: each other, like whoa, because it's the sort of this

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: like animalistic thing inside of us that's like, what's the

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: scariest thing. It's like, Okay, it has claws, it has wings,

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: it's scaly, it's like everything we as humans kind of fear.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, so there's something in us animalistically

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01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: where we're like and we need a little creature that

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Speaker 1: is ours.

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is like collectible and sort of halfway

1215
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: between scary and cue or halfway between ugly and cute.

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01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like only I find it cute or something like

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01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: and has just.

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: Like really sort of off putting colors. And also the

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01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: idea that all of these will like someday be worth

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: more money. Like there's also the crypto element to it.

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Speaker 1: The cynical side of me is that we just as

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Speaker 1: a culture always recreate capitalism, and we like essentially are

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Speaker 1: just creating the stock market.

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01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: Again, the stock I was about, say, it's not just capitalism,

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: it's it's finance. It's the financial market.

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Which that's that's the cynical part. I want to

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: believe it's a spiritual thing.

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Speaker 2: I just am sort of like the least we can

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01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: do is if we're gonna keep recreating the financial markets,

1230
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: at least make.

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01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: Supreme sure, Like, at least at least do fashion.

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01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: Come on, Like, do fashion try to be cool, try

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01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: to capture something, don't La Boobos especially, There's something about

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01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: how they like attached to your backpacks and clothes, like

1235
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: they're like We've done that already. That's what middle school was.

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the boo boo.

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01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: It's scary though, And for me the reference point is

1239
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: beanie babies because that's what we grew up with. The

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: people doing la booboos don't know about beanie babies. For them,

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01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: this is the first time they're seeing something like this,

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: and then when they're older and someone who's gonna invent

1243
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: flah blah blah, they're gonna be like, oh my god,

1244
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: like this is just lab.

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01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: Boo boo boo. They're like, we need to like unpack

1246
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: why fla Blue Blue is popular.

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01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: We are both recloseted, recloseted never minders hosting a podcast

1248
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: about recloseting, and they need to discuss why Fla Blue

1249
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: blahs are like La boo boos and we actually are

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Speaker 2: Australia Lab Recap podcast the Recent Bias. They are our

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Speaker 2: favorite seventy five year old podcasters. Even though we hate

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: all their recent work, we actually love their old stuff.

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01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: We love their old stuff. Well, this has been a treat.

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Speaker 1: We are probably on tour now. When this comes out,

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: we'll probably done with our East Coast leg. Sorry, get

1256
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: tickets to the West coasts. Yeah, we added second shows

1257
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: in Portland and Seattle, and San Francisco has not sold

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Speaker 1: out yet and neither has La.

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Speaker 2: Honestly though, things are selling pretty well. Yeah, not well

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Speaker 2: enough where I'm like two more tickets left, but well enough.

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Speaker 2: It will eventually be sold out, so you better act fast.

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Speaker 1: Months Yeah, Okay, Well, this has been an amazing afternoon

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Speaker 1: with you, George as always.

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Speaker 2: As always, and stay classy San Diego.

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Speaker 1: Damn and he got an anchorman quotes iconic.

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: Okay, bye podcast and now want more? Subscribe to our

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Speaker 2: Patreon for two extra episodes a month, discord access and

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Speaker 2: more by heading to patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 9: And for all our visual earners, free full length video

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Speaker 9: episodes are available on our YouTube. Not Get Back to

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Speaker 9: Work Stradia Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big

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Speaker 9: Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Created and hosted by George Severs and Sam Taggart.

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 9: Executive produced by Will Ferrell, Hans Sony and Olivia Aguilar.

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Speaker 2: Co produced by Bay Wang, edited.

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Speaker 1: And engineered by Adam Avalos.

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Speaker 2: Work by Michael Philes and Matt Gruff.

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Speaker 1: The music by Ben Kling