WEBVTT - Part Two: Jack Idema: The War On Terror's Dumbest Grifter

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>the host has spent the previous seven hours drunk and

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<v Speaker 1>staring at a box of five point five six tracer

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<v Speaker 1>ammunition and wondering if he could get away with starting

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<v Speaker 1>a fire in his front yard with it. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>then deciding that no, he lives around too many people.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't get the thought out of my Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing today? I'm great, I'm especially great

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that moment, just especially in the dark, watching

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<v Speaker 1>those rounds fling through the air. It would be great,

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<v Speaker 1>It would be great, and I make everyone in my

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood would enjoy it. But fucking cops man, that those

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<v Speaker 1>are loud rounds. So Daniel, Yes, sir Sophie, this is

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<v Speaker 1>an episode about Jack Edema part two. Now, when we

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<v Speaker 1>laughed our friend off, he had he had had a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty winding path And it's kind of hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to summarize, just because there's so much that's weird about

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, like hims out the wazoo, out the wazoo

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<v Speaker 1>every now, and just enough credibility to some of them

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<v Speaker 1>to where it's like, what's going on? Is there something

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<v Speaker 1>I'm missing? Very hard to say that will continue, but

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<v Speaker 1>the scams get a lot bolder from here on out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he's snuck in the back door of so

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<v Speaker 1>many war scenes in there, like what the funk are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing here? And I was like, let yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he really traded on the fact that he was

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<v Speaker 1>technically a Green Beret because people are like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he knows how to train cops. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>Green Beret. I guess he knows how to run a

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<v Speaker 1>counter terrorism school. He was a Green Beret. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he can lead us into Afghanistan. He was a Green Beret,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody like did the work to realize, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>all you did is a green Beret? Was like pack

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<v Speaker 1>parachutes anyway, it's cool. So the history of the modern

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<v Speaker 1>US Special Forces began on June ninety two at Fort Bragg,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, with the establishment of the tenth Special Forces

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<v Speaker 1>Airborne Group. Now obviously, elite military operators had existed since

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<v Speaker 1>the Dawn of Time. Story the Trojan Horse is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the story of a of a special Ops raid. Basically, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of yeah, more or less, and elite

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<v Speaker 1>German airborne units in World War two, the Falschworm Yeager

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<v Speaker 1>pioneered many of what we would consider like modern special

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<v Speaker 1>forces strategies, But it was not until the Vietnam War

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<v Speaker 1>that's special operators in the modern sense of the word,

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<v Speaker 1>really burst onto the modern stage. So suddenly in Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>you have and you know, these guys are actually doing

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<v Speaker 1>ship but they're also like showing up in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>these elite, heavily armed badasses with special skills carrying out

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<v Speaker 1>these unbelievable death defying missions. Um So like the movies

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<v Speaker 1>we get on there, like Rambo and Commando and fucking Predator,

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<v Speaker 1>like these are all right. When America, like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in the wake of Vietnam, America started to really fall

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<v Speaker 1>in love with the idea of special forces guys because

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<v Speaker 1>it seems really romantic, like it's a job that's very

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<v Speaker 1>fit to to to make movies about. I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>an uncle who was a Green Beret in Vietnam, and

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<v Speaker 1>his job was basically to be alone in the jungle

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<v Speaker 1>trying to lead groups of envy A patrols into ambushes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like fucked him up for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>his life. And it's not a cool story, um but

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<v Speaker 1>it made for good Uh, it made for good media stuff. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so journalists, obviously, as soon as stories about green

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<v Speaker 1>Berets and Navy seals start like hitting uh, the world,

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<v Speaker 1>like journalists who embed with soldiers start wanting to try

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<v Speaker 1>and embed these guys, which was not an easy thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do. US special Forces from the beginning have had

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<v Speaker 1>a very adversarial relationship with the media. They build themselves

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<v Speaker 1>as quiet professionals who were as exceptional in their discretion

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<v Speaker 1>as they were in their fighting ability. And that's all

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<v Speaker 1>died out now because the assassination of Osamba and Lauden

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<v Speaker 1>meant that you can make millions of dollars uh if

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<v Speaker 1>you were like a Special Forces guy who wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>book afterwards. Yeah. But back in the day, you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to talk about the ship you did in Special Forces,

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<v Speaker 1>and so journalists really couldn't get an angle on these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And back in two thousand one, special Forces dudes were

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<v Speaker 1>still quiet professionals, and the idea that any of them

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<v Speaker 1>would speak directly to the media was nearly unthinkable. There

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<v Speaker 1>was only one journalist who actually had a shot at

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<v Speaker 1>getting that kind of story. Uh. He was the only

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<v Speaker 1>US journalist who ever had a real in depth in

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<v Speaker 1>bed with US Special Forces. Robin Moore now More was

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<v Speaker 1>the author of the book The Green Berets, which that

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<v Speaker 1>John Wayne movie that Jack Adema had loved as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid was based on. And in order to write The

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<v Speaker 1>Green Berets More, it had to do something no civilian

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<v Speaker 1>journalists had ever done. He went through Special Forces training

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<v Speaker 1>and qualification and like qualified as a Green Beret, and

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<v Speaker 1>because of his skills, he was allowed to travel with

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<v Speaker 1>the Green Berets and report on what they did. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of debatable as to what he did is

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not what he did was even really journalism

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<v Speaker 1>because he took part in firefights and killed a shipload

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<v Speaker 1>of people. A lot of journalists will say you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do what Robin Moore did, but it's fair to say

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<v Speaker 1>that he was a legend. We're gonna talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>him later. What matters right now is that the important

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<v Speaker 1>of Special Forces ramped up hugely during the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the War on Terror. These guys were the bulk of

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<v Speaker 1>the early effort in Afghanistan, and journalists were starving for

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<v Speaker 1>information about what spec ops guys were doing and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>as ed artists of Knightsbridge International told the Columbia Journalism

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<v Speaker 1>Review quote, the media were in a frenzy. They were

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing each other about what they'd interview someone else about

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<v Speaker 1>if they had someone to interview. So they're just like

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<v Speaker 1>desperate to talk to any of these guys, and none

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<v Speaker 1>of them will talk. And Jack Odema sees this feeding

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<v Speaker 1>frenzy and knew he had found the perfect grift because,

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<v Speaker 1>after all, he had technically been in Special Forces and

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<v Speaker 1>he was currently in Afghanistan, so why shouldn't he present

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<v Speaker 1>himself as an expert on what U S Special Forces

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<v Speaker 1>were doing in Afghanistan. So within a matter of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of the invasion, Adema has managed to establish himself as

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media is leading expert on special Forces and

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<v Speaker 1>as one of its leading experts in Afghanistan. The Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>Journalism Review later noted quote he was read it as

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<v Speaker 1>an expert on all three networks, was a terrorist hunter

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<v Speaker 1>on Don Imus's radio show, a Northern Alliance advisor on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News, and a key source for Merely Mapes and

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Rather in sixty minutes to the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>is calling in from Afghanistan on the phone and had

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<v Speaker 1>once been in Special Forces is all the backup anybody does,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, yeah, fucking listen to whatever he has

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<v Speaker 1>to say. He was a special He was there in

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<v Speaker 1>January f twos in two US Special Forces cornered Osama

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<v Speaker 1>bin Laden for what they were absolutely sure was the

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<v Speaker 1>last time, spoilers they were It took about another decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Adiema began shopping around a set of tapes at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time that held seven hours worth of videotaped

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<v Speaker 1>Al Qaeda training sessions. You've seen pieces of these tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like a lot of like the guys going on

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<v Speaker 1>jungle gyms and running around with rifles and stuff. He

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<v Speaker 1>first sold stills from several of these tapes to a

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<v Speaker 1>number of media organizations, and a lot of them were

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<v Speaker 1>like scary images of terrorist commandos doing armed drills. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>once the skills had wetted everyone's appetite, Adema contracted the

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<v Speaker 1>William Morris PR Agency to auction off what he claimed

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<v Speaker 1>was the first ever US broadcast rights of like terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>training videos from al Qaeda that would like reveal what

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<v Speaker 1>al Qaeda was planning to do in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So he delivered letters to all of the may or

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<v Speaker 1>his PR agency delivered letters to all the major networks,

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<v Speaker 1>setting a minimum price of a hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in demanding that Jackadema be credited. When the tapes

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<v Speaker 1>were aired. Surprisingly, Fox said no, and so did NBC.

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<v Speaker 1>They were put off by the Yeah, they were put

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<v Speaker 1>They thought it was too expensive and there was also

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<v Speaker 1>there was no supporting evidence that these tapes actually showed

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<v Speaker 1>an al Qaeda training base. There were just guys with

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<v Speaker 1>guns running around, running around. Yeah. An NBC producer later recalled,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no way to verify them. It was either

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<v Speaker 1>you trust Keith Adema or you don't. CNN backed out too,

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<v Speaker 1>after their national security analyst did a cursory amount of

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<v Speaker 1>googling and discovered Keith ademonst criminal record in history of

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<v Speaker 1>suing everyone he's ever talked to. They were the only

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<v Speaker 1>network to blacklist him as a source as well as

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<v Speaker 1>turned down his offer. Now, some of the distrust of

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<v Speaker 1>Adema and his tapes came from the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to have a different story about where they came

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<v Speaker 1>from for every news agency that asked. He told the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Broadcasting Corporation that he bought the tapes from an

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence asset. After several back alley meetings. At midnight, he

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<v Speaker 1>told NBC's Today Show that he got them after he

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<v Speaker 1>filmed a group of Northern Alliance fighters taking over a

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<v Speaker 1>compound where the video was filmed. Adema then claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>have tracked down the camp's commander at home and hunted

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<v Speaker 1>down other al Qaeda recruits to find more footage. These

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<v Speaker 1>obvious lies fooled no one, no one that is besides

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Rather. Yeah, yeah, Dan Rather in sixty minutes fall

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<v Speaker 1>immediately and hard for Jackadema's tapes, and in fact, Rather

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<v Speaker 1>flies immediately to Afghanistan to interview Keith Adema and visit

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<v Speaker 1>the compound where the videos had been filmed. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>he just is immediately on board with this ship. I

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<v Speaker 1>am so down. The journalism school building at the college

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<v Speaker 1>that I went to but didn't go to journalism school

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<v Speaker 1>at was the Dan Rather School of journalism. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not the guy to take super details. I'm gonna quote

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<v Speaker 1>about the from the Columbia Journalism Review talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>particular grift at a time when workers were still sifting

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<v Speaker 1>through the nural wreckage of the World Trade Center, the

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<v Speaker 1>story reinforced the prevailing sense of Panic men in camouflage,

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<v Speaker 1>tunics and ski masks were shown storming buildings, staging drive

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<v Speaker 1>by shootings, and laying siege to golf courses. Sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>men laughed as they rehearsed maneuvers, which Rather interpreted as

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that they approached their grim mission with glee. The

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<v Speaker 1>footage also contained numerous exchanges in English. A sign Rather

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<v Speaker 1>told viewers that they want to take scenes like this

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<v Speaker 1>to the West. Now. The reality is that these tapes

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<v Speaker 1>were absolutely a forgery made by Jack Adiemo, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why people were speaking in English. Yeah, gosh, good, disgracious,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan No, buddy, Yeah, that's that's really, that's really. That's

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<v Speaker 1>real bad. That's real bad, and you gotta do better. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he spoilers for Dan Rather's career. He would not, he

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<v Speaker 1>would not, he would he would not. He would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to fall from more fake bullshit. Hell yeah, analysts, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I say they're obviously a forgery. It is impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>state that with a perfect degree of confidence one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other, and you will. You can, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>find a couple of different interpretations of these videos. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is worth noting that the tactics shown in the

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<v Speaker 1>tapes were not the sort actually used by Al Qaeda fighters.

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<v Speaker 1>The video depicted armed raids similar to the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>attacks ISIS would carry out years later in Europe. But

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<v Speaker 1>these are completely different from this sort of bombings that

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of actually engaged in at the time. Um put, simply,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinda never did anything even vaguely like what was

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<v Speaker 1>shown in these tapes. Like, it's just not the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of ship that they pulled off. And yeah, there were

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<v Speaker 1>other reasons to doubt the province of the tapes. The

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<v Speaker 1>place that Keith Adema said that he had rated to

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<v Speaker 1>capture them, the compound where these tapes were filmed, mere Bakt,

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<v Speaker 1>was under coalition control during the time that the tapes

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<v Speaker 1>were actually filmed, and had been thoroughly searched at the

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<v Speaker 1>time when Jack claims to have conducted the raid. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of the situation was never conclusively determined one

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<v Speaker 1>way or the other, and Dan Rather's career didn't explode

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<v Speaker 1>for this particular funk up. But the almost certain reality

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<v Speaker 1>is that the videos were staged by Jack. He likely

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<v Speaker 1>found an old compound that had already been liberated by

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition and then hired a bunch of locals to

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<v Speaker 1>pretend to be terrorists. The Columbia Journalism Review talked to

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<v Speaker 1>a special retired Special operations officer with knowledge of the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA's investigation into the tapes, and this guy claims they

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<v Speaker 1>did a voice analysis us in a technical analysis. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only were they staged, but you could single Adema's voice

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<v Speaker 1>out directly. So the CIA, for its part, disputes having

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<v Speaker 1>done any kind of analysis. But the CIA is the CIA,

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<v Speaker 1>so I really don't give a ship what they say happened. Ever, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they are the CIA. Now, it seems pretty safe to

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<v Speaker 1>conclude that these were bogus from the get go, whether

0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.000
<v Speaker 1>or not Jack Adema himself actually filmed them. But at

0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the time, this took off like gangbusters among a terrified

0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.560
<v Speaker 1>American public, and Dan Rather's big scoop helped to solidify

0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Jack Adema's reputation who was someone as someone who was

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<v Speaker 1>not a shameful fraud, and for a few months he

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<v Speaker 1>was the talk of the Cabul media set. According to

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<v Speaker 1>New York Magazine, he boasted a war correspondence about the

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<v Speaker 1>many Al Qaeda suspects he had apprehended and embroidered his

0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.040
<v Speaker 1>bad his banter with tales of special Forces daring in

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<v Speaker 1>Central America, and it was more than just his speech

0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that was growing too colorful for its own good. One

0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.079
<v Speaker 1>heated argument over war coverage at a party ended with

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<v Speaker 1>a Dimas firing a pistol at a Dalla Morning News

0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:06.080
<v Speaker 1>correspondent Todd Robertson and barely missing his left arm when yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets drunken shoots shoots at the Dallas Morning news man.

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<v Speaker 1>Many reporters began to regard a demon as a fraud

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<v Speaker 1>in a menace. Still, he was quoted in many major

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers as a Special Forces operative or a Green Beret.

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<v Speaker 1>On a representation from the photo agency Polaris. A Dimas

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<v Speaker 1>sold the footage to sixty minutes too for an undisclosed fee,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the press corps, including NBC's Dateline

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<v Speaker 1>in the Today Show scooped up the sensational footage in

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<v Speaker 1>the networks wake. So that's great now. In December of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand two, remember that guy Robin Moore who like

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<v Speaker 1>literally became a Green Beret and killed people with the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Berets and then wrote a book about him. That journalist, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he shows up in Afghanistan in December of two thousand two,

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<v Speaker 1>h Now he was no longer the young, fit warrior

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<v Speaker 1>who battled alongside US forces in Vietnam. More was in

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<v Speaker 1>his seventies, racked with Parkinson's disease and reliant to pon

0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a cane to get around. So he's not not in

0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.840
<v Speaker 1>great shape. Still, Clearly, whatever else you can say about him,

0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.520
<v Speaker 1>U a frightening badass to like, go wander on alone

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<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan in your seventies and two thousand two is

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a tough guy. That's pretty hard. Yeah, that's

0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty hard. Now. He had a goal of publishing the

0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.240
<v Speaker 1>first on the ground memoir from the war in Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be a book about the hunt for

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<v Speaker 1>Osama bin Laden. When Jack first heard that the author

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<v Speaker 1>of the book that had become his favorite movie was

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<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan, he knew he had to find him, and

0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.200
<v Speaker 1>tracking down More was not difficult. There were not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of old white dudes wandering around the country

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<v Speaker 1>in the wake of US Special Forces. Once there, Jack

0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.760
<v Speaker 1>plied More with the same story he'd successfully used on

0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.920
<v Speaker 1>many journalists, already putting himself forward as an ideal source

0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.120
<v Speaker 1>for Moore's next book. This line of bullshit worked because

0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Jack just seems to have had some sort of ability

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<v Speaker 1>to like not all or even most journalists, but there

0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.520
<v Speaker 1>were there are these guys like Skirka before him and

0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.200
<v Speaker 1>now Robin Moore that just like fall in love with

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<v Speaker 1>a line of ship that Jack is pushing. And soon

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<v Speaker 1>the two men were collaborating, collaborating together on a book

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<v Speaker 1>titled The Hunt for Bin Laden. Now, crucially, while they

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<v Speaker 1>were in Afghanistan, More In Adema spent almost no time together,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is because More was still widely respected by

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<v Speaker 1>US Special Forces dudes, and they gave him real access,

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<v Speaker 1>and for obvious reasons, Jackodema did not want to get

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere clear near US Special Forces in Afghanistan, not a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea, So they didn't really start to collaborate until

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<v Speaker 1>uh they got home to the United States in later

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<v Speaker 1>that year. Jack had to head back after his mother died,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where he and Robin Moore would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to have the bulk of their contact. So More

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<v Speaker 1>was back in his States by the end of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bang out his notes and interviews from Afghanistan

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<v Speaker 1>into a book that people would want to read. Adema

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<v Speaker 1>offered himself up for additional background information and soon more

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<v Speaker 1>was listening with bated breath. Well, Jack Adiema just lied

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<v Speaker 1>to him. This random paragraph from the book they wrote

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<v Speaker 1>together gives you an idea of what sort of stuff

0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Jack was telling him. And again this is one paragraph.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes. In January, Jack uncovered an al Qaita plot

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<v Speaker 1>to kill President Clinton and march. Standing in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a Kabul street. Armed with a Russian assault rifle

0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and six hundred rounds of ammunition, Jack held off Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentalists for four hours as they tried to take eighteen

0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.200
<v Speaker 1>four in citizens hostage, keeping them at bay until Engineer

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<v Speaker 1>Ali and the Northern Alliance arrived to back him up.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of March, Oh yeah, that's a character

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<v Speaker 1>right there. By the end of March, Jack was in

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<v Speaker 1>a Northern Alliance helicopter on his way to the Nachman

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<v Speaker 1>earthquake with the Associated Press photograph the lone American rescuing

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl. She wasn't the first child he would

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<v Speaker 1>save or the last. I'm gonna tell you right now,

0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Jack Ademon never saved goddamn kid. He definitely posed with

0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.840
<v Speaker 1>some sick and injured children, but I think he saved

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<v Speaker 1>them in the same way he saved his friend with

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<v Speaker 1>the leg injury. Yeah. Now, for his part, Robin Moore

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<v Speaker 1>said that Jack's stories check doubt very well when he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to verify them, and this is almost certainly a lie,

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<v Speaker 1>as Mary Anne Strong, Moore's agent at the time, claims

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<v Speaker 1>that Robin Moore's actual experiences in Afghanistan were just too

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<v Speaker 1>dull to make a good book. Basically, he was too

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<v Speaker 1>old to find anything cool, So he came back home

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of bummed out, with like a few interviews

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<v Speaker 1>that were not that exciting and no stories of actual

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<v Speaker 1>daring do because he's seventy and had Parkinson's. So Jack

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<v Speaker 1>comes along and it's like, I can spice up this

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<v Speaker 1>fucking book for you. Many Strong, He's like, let me

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<v Speaker 1>add some con to that ship. Also, Yeah, Moore's agent

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<v Speaker 1>later claimed Jack came along and rewrote the entire thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He came up with terribly exciting, excellent copy. Now, she

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that More himself only wrote a few pages of

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<v Speaker 1>the book in the end, and the resulting product was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most ridiculous pieces of FOE journalism in

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<v Speaker 1>the entire history of the War on Terror, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking achievement. The cover of the book features a

0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:04.320
<v Speaker 1>shirtless Jack Adimo wielding an a K forties Yeah Baby Now.

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<v Speaker 1>New York Magazine goes into more detail about precisely how

0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.040
<v Speaker 1>bad this book was. It asserts out right that a

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<v Speaker 1>demon was the only Green Beret gathering intelligence on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and a dema routinely storms the center of the book's

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<v Speaker 1>action to perform herobic feats of bravery. It is as

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<v Speaker 1>though given the chance to influence a Robin Moore book,

0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Adema had to cast himself in the twenty one century

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<v Speaker 1>sequel to The Green Berets. So he basically finds the

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<v Speaker 1>author of the book that became his favorite movie and

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<v Speaker 1>turns himself into a character in that book, clearly in

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<v Speaker 1>the hope that a movie will get made about him,

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<v Speaker 1>which honestly kind of rules a little bit. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see this movie. It'll be it'll undoubtedly

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<v Speaker 1>have like Danny McBride, or like Danny McBride would be

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<v Speaker 1>the right guy to play Jack Adeem a whole ship. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>completely overly confident, which is everybody looking around. It would

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<v Speaker 1>almost be like a Tommy Boy thing, where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the Chris Farley character and then David's bade

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<v Speaker 1>trying to clean up the mess that's following him. I

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<v Speaker 1>think actually the right way to play this is to

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<v Speaker 1>just have Daniel McBride do his character from Eastbound and Down.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy who was just has this completely divorced from reality, beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs about himself, um, just rolling through Afghanistan and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>not dying but getting a lot of people killed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should go to an ad break because

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<v Speaker 1>you know what won't convince an elderly ailing legend of

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<v Speaker 1>war reporting what the products and services in this None

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<v Speaker 1>of them will trick a sick old man into writing

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<v Speaker 1>a fake book about how you shirtlessly fought the Taliban.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a guarantee. We make fucking talk space not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that. Not, no, sir, No sir. We're

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<v Speaker 1>back and we are talking about Jack Edema. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great book. U. Jack Edema cons this guy to write,

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<v Speaker 1>and the book was a hit among an American public

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<v Speaker 1>hungry for stories of military glory after September eleven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people eat this ship up. It quickly climbed to a

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<v Speaker 1>respectable place on the New York Times bestseller list, and

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<v Speaker 1>although it never made its way up to number one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sold very very well now, Since more the ostensible

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<v Speaker 1>author was elderly and in poor health, the responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>shamelessly plugging the book landed on Jack Edema. He was

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<v Speaker 1>only too happy to hang out in bookstores doing readings

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<v Speaker 1>from chapters he'd written about things he absolutely did not do.

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<v Speaker 1>During numerous media appearances, he even gave direct advice to

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon, making statements like we in Special Forces have

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<v Speaker 1>been lobbying for a lighter, faster army, but General Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's isn't listening. Is It's great? That's I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>loving it. Just catch catch him at book soup. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm trying to see him. It's kind of ironic

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<v Speaker 1>because like there are so many Special Forces grifts around

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<v Speaker 1>the day, like today, like about a third of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who wind up becoming Special Forces operators do it

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<v Speaker 1>to like cash in on some book as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>they get out. Um. But the only kind of Special

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<v Speaker 1>Forces griff that wouldn't work today is like what Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Adema is doing, because there's now so many of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the media who would be like, now this

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<v Speaker 1>this dude's just lying like he was never never did anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>has never seen goodness, I mean nothing, not a thing. Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>well anywhere. Like any great grifter, Jackodema succeeds during the

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<v Speaker 1>only period in history in which he could have possibly succeeded. Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hunt Forbidden Lauden elevated Adma to a national figure,

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<v Speaker 1>just in time for him to weigh in on the

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<v Speaker 1>most critical political issue of the day, the invasion of Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>Since he had been the subject of the first memoir

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<v Speaker 1>of the war in Afghanistan, TV news booking agents saw

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<v Speaker 1>him as an ideal get as they discussed whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not going to war with Iraq was a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna quote from a rolling stone right up here.

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<v Speaker 1>A Deema's career as a media personality reached its peak

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<v Speaker 1>during the final breathless weeks of the run up to

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<v Speaker 1>the war in Iraq. Much of the information he provided

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<v Speaker 1>during that period echoed the Bush administration's hotly contested rationale

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<v Speaker 1>for a war. He told in MSNBC that the link

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<v Speaker 1>between Iraq and Al Qaida was common knowledge on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground in Afghanistan, and claimed in an interview with w

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<v Speaker 1>n y C radio's Leonard Lopate that Iraq has been

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<v Speaker 1>involved in supporting al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations with money,

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<v Speaker 1>with equipment, with technology, and with weapons of mass destruction.

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<v Speaker 1>He told other white eyed journalists that there was ample

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<v Speaker 1>evidence linking Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia to

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<v Speaker 1>al Qaeda into the attacks on September eleven. You know

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<v Speaker 1>famed allies Iraq and Iran for sure. If there's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can't stop Iran from doing, it is collaborating

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<v Speaker 1>closely with Saudi Arabia and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>Iran loves more than working with those specific two groups

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<v Speaker 1>of love it. Uh boy so Adima professed to have

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand knowledge of nuclear weapons being smuggled from Russia and

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<v Speaker 1>to all to all three members of the Access of

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<v Speaker 1>Evil Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. Few in the media

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<v Speaker 1>questioned Adema's claims, much to the alarm of some of

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 1>those who know him. The media saw this outfitted, gregarious,

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 1>apparently knowing guy, and they didn't checking out, said an artist,

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 1>chairman and founder of the humanitarian organization Knightsbridge International. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>They ran story after story that further the cache of

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<v Speaker 1>a self serving self aggrandizing criminal and that's totally accurate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is accurate. Yeah, But the sales of his book

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<v Speaker 1>were good, but reviewers did not like it. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty much universally panned, and journalists who did

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 1>look into it repeatedly questioned the veracity of claims. Like

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Jack Edema fought the entire Afghan War on his own,

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<v Speaker 1>the sheer volume of doubt seems to have cracked through

0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>whatever brainwashing Adema managed to carry out on Robin Moore.

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<v Speaker 1>Moore began to demanding from his publisher that a revised

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<v Speaker 1>edition of the book be published, with Special Forces officers

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>reviewing and correcting Adema's lies. Random House his His publisher

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<v Speaker 1>refused these changes, and when Jack Adema learned that Moore

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to write him out of the book, he

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<v Speaker 1>issued a press release filed yet another lawsuit. He started

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that a secret cabal of Special Forces soldiers has

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<v Speaker 1>as symboled to take him down because they were jealous

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of Jack Adama. Jack also filed lawsuits against night Bridge

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and Partners Internationals, the two groups providing aid in Afghanistan,

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:16.639
<v Speaker 1>because he was certain that they were a part of

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.120
<v Speaker 1>all this. His main claim to having suffered damages came

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.159
<v Speaker 1>from the fact that Fox News dropped him as a

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>regular commenter. True to form, Jack also sued Fox News.

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.680
<v Speaker 1>These suits were all tossed out of court. But yeah,

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 1>just keep suing. Just always be suing, baby. That is

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.679
<v Speaker 1>a huge part of being a really good grifter is

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>just keeps on suing everyone you can, Sophie, who are

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>we suing right now? Uh? Cody Johnston. It sounds like

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 1>a good idea. Yeah, let's throw some lawsuits out to Cody.

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Get on that. So the book sales were good in

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 1>spite of the controversy. So Jack decided to form a

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>promotional company, the Hunt Forbid law An LLC, with a

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>handful of business partners. I have to give him credit.

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 1>That's easily the best name for an LLC that anyone's

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>come up. That's I kind of want to start. If

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>that's defunct, now, I want to make that myle LLC

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 1>and just do something else with it. Like, clearly it's

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 1>clearly not more than the number of characters in The

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Hunt Ribbon Ladon LLC, which, like, I want to start

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 1>an LLC dedicated to like feeding the homeless, but just

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>call it that and that we could be like when

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the police shut us down. The cops are trying to

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>stop the hunt for Bin Laden. Man, have you forgotten

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>where we all were on nine eleven? There's there's potential

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 1>in this. So Jack adeemons the Hunt for Bin Lawdon

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>llc uh. The goal of this company was ostensibly to

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 1>raise funds for a US count for US Counter Terrorist Group,

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>which was a training camp that Jack had founded an

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>upstate New York to quote helped the Northern Alliance and

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to fight al Qaeda. This was almost certainly a grift,

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>but as the weeks went by and Jack battled increasing

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>questions about his legitimacy, his colleagues watched his behavior turner

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>ratic and dangerous. According to New York Magazine, one of

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Jack's business partners eventually testified during the inevitable lawsuit over

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the Hunt forbid Lauden llc. That Jack quote destroyed the

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>interior of his own house with a samurai sword, that

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 1>he choked his girlfriend in a fight, that he forged

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a letter on Fox News stationary for uses evidence and

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 1>his lawsuit against the network. A lawsuit from the U.

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>S Attorney's Office also arrived, followed by a letter from

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina's postal inspector, charging a demon with mail fraud

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>for using a post office box registered to the company

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to solicit funds for US counter terrorist Group. Thompson said

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that after he noticed eighteen thousand from dollars from the

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>company had gone missing, he drove down to Fayetteville to

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>closed the company bank account. He says that Dema followed

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.919
<v Speaker 1>him there and threatened to kill both him and his girlfriend.

0:26:56.520 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>More Jesus, he's awesome. When do the police step is

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>not almost never. They arrested that. He did get busted earlier,

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>but he goes right back to committing mail fraud. Totally murdering. No,

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that was something else. He didn't murder anybody. He no,

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he definitely murdered people, but no, he didn't

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 1>go to jail for that. He went to jail from

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>mayor fraud. Oh, that's right, it was just mail fraud.

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>That was the first. That was our first, our first

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>military exploratory fellow or whatever. Yeah, there's there's so many

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>grifts here it is hard to keep track of the

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:37.239
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker's yeah and yeah. More. At the same time as

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>this was all going on, More learned that Edema had

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>ordered hundreds of copies of The Hunt for Bin Lawden

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>from Moore's account with Random House and then never paid

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>them for him. He just got the books and then

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.479
<v Speaker 1>sold them by hand at full price. So just like

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>this mix of these incredibly bold grifts where he's like

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>tricking national news networks and stuff and selling thousands of

0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>books and these petty fucking bullshit like it's incredible. Um,

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't stop himself. So Jack continued to attack Robin

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Moore Viya lawyer for months, throughing out lawsuits like Rice

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 1>at a wedding. He was only interrupted in his quest

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to destroy the lives of the people who had been

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>his friends and colleagues due to his devotion to yet

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>another unbelievable grift in Afghanistan see. In two thousand four,

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Jack returned to Kabul. He rented a house, telling the

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>landlord he planned to start a rug exporting business. I

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't even need to tell you that this was a lie.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>His real goal was to form a paramilitary unit named

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Task Force Saber seven. Yeah, baby, He designed the uniforms

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and patches himself. Their goal was to hunt Al Qaeda.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He brought along a former soldier, Brent Bennett and a

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>veteran TV cameraman named Eddie Caraballo to help him and

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>document his adventures. They hired several Afghan fighters and started

0:28:53.160 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping and interrogating Afghan citizens at random. Um so pretty

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>good grift, Daniel, that I mean this this UH people

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>were really really gullible. You could get away with anything

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>at this period of time. It was amazing being confident

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>in speaking confidently and just doing the things you say

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do. People are just letting it happen. That's

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>just really wild. I'm impressed and horrified. But yeah, it's

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty great. And you know what else is great, Danial?

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>And you know what doesn't kidnap and torture random citizens

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 1>of UH? Do products and services not do that? Sometimes

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>they not ours, Danial. Every product advertised on this show

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>carries the official behind the bastards have not kidnapped and

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>tortured any Afghan citizens seal of approval. That is the

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.719
<v Speaker 1>only guarantee we make of our products and services, and

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 1>we do not make guarantees about other countries. But we

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>will prom message no one in Afghanistan tortured by the

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>sponsors of this show. We're back uh, So, Daniel, this

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>story of Task Force Saber seven is fucking difficult for

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>me to parse out. So I say he's kidnapping random

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Afghan citizens, and that seems to have been true a

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, But it also doesn't necessarily seem

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to have been true all of the time, because on

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>at least three occasions, NATO troops helped Edema carry out

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>raids and NATO went on to arrest at least one

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of the suspects that Task Force Saber seven took in,

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and there's also some evidence that he some he or

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>his men may have helped stop assassination attempts on ALFA

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Afghan political leaders. But also almost all of the people

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that they actually handed over to NATO were later released

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 1>for lack of evidence to convict them. And it is

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>entirely possible that all of the Afghan political leaders who

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>claimed that Edema and his men saved them or carried

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 1>out gave them intelligence that was useful. We're just bribed.

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Because we're talking about the government of Afghanistan in two

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three and four. They're trying to they're trying

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to cause disturbance as much as anybody else. So it's

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 1>just like you'll take your money and say some dumb

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>ship to make people confused. Perfect. Yeah, it does seem

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>fair to say that there were people within NATO, in

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>people within the Department of Defense who treated Task Force

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Saber seven as a legitimate, uh non governmental military contractor

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in country for a pretty brief period of time. But

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>it did happen. And you can either say it's because

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>they were actually finally doing good work, or yeah, just

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>because it's easy to trick the fucking government in Afghanistan

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of a ton of bullshit, Like there's a hundred billion

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of hospitals that got built by government contractors

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan and aren't hospitals, so fucking it's easy to

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>get away with griffs in Afghanistan. Um. Now, while all

0:31:56.240 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 1>this was going on, nights Bridge and Partners International, these

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>two veteran own charities, continued to desperately try to warn

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the CIA and the Defense Department and everyone that would

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>listen that Jack Edema was a dangerously incompetent con man,

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>but no one listened to them until April two thousand four,

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>when Adema made the error of emailing several of his

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>friends back in the United States and update on the

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>progress of Task Force Sabers seven. This email included pictures

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of Jack Adema and his men torturing civilians. At least

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the people Jack emailed ahead, Yeah, light torture, Daniel,

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, light torture, Okay, barely even torture under most

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>international treaties. I'm nervous, So at least one of the

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>people that Jack emailed had a soul and forwarded the

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>emails to the Department of Defense. Warrants were issued for

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Jack's arrest in Kabul, and he was eventually busted on

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>July five by Afghan police forces. New York Magazine notes

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>when Afghan police had arrested the trio on July five,

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they said they had a They said they saw a

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>mini a small our scale version of the gruesome prisoner

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>abuse photos from the Bagdad interrogation cells in Abu Grabe.

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Early press photos indicated that three prisoners found in a

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>demon's custody during the raid were blindfolded and beaten, and

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>then strapped to the ceiling by their feet. Five others

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>were tied to chairs with rope in the small dark

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>room down a hall that was littered with bloodied clothing.

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>All of the prisoners in a Demon's custody were subsequently released.

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>None was shown to be connected to al Qaeda. I mean,

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>of course, yeah, of course, yes, of course, yeah, absolutely,

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>And like it's frustrating because you read like reporting from

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the time from like when this all happened, by good

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>journalists and good reporters, and a lot of them will talk,

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>will like quote people who were in the Department of

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Defense somewhere saying like, oh no, a demon did this,

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>or Task FORCEAB seven did that. And I can't say

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>again to a point of certainty that everything they did

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>was bullshit. But my gut is telling me that all

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>of those people who thought they did anything useful were

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>just taken in by the con because Jack Ademo was

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a fucking con man, and it's easy to get away

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.719
<v Speaker 1>with cons in Afghanistan. Yeah, that's my feeling. Maybe I

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>am wrong, but I'm not. Everybody likes sale, Everybody like everybody,

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, even if they don't like to be taken,

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>they like to be sold something. And he was selling them. God,

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>yeah the worst. Now, at his trial in Kabul, Adema

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>did say something that I don't think is untrue. He

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>stated that he had been operating with the U. S

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>military's approval and consent, and it does seem that this

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>was at least part partly true. Yeah, exactly, because they're

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 1>they're not good at their jobs. Like that's the fun part. Look,

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they said I could do it, and they all have

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to sit on their hands and be like, I mean, like, yeah,

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 1>we kind of did, we did, we did again. I

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be like Slandering better reporters than me,

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of the guys who wrote about him,

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>like back into this in four are but they're so

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>confused by the fact that legitimate military people aren't uniform

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.359
<v Speaker 1>about whether or not this guy as a con man.

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>And like, guys, the army's bad at its job, Like

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the Defense Department's bad at its job. Look at how

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the war in Afghanistan is. God, we're not. They're not

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>good at this. Yeah, they're not good at winning wars.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>They make all sorts of dumb mistakes. Ask us, Ask

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>any veteran, ask a hundred percent of veterans. They make

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>shitty calls all the time, and this was one of them.

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>One video played during the trial showed a demon talking

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>with officials from US General William Boykin's office about an

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>impending attack he planned on a terrorist cell. Yeah, they

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>probably thought he was legitimate at some period of time,

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>or at least enough of them did that he was

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>able to get away with it for a while. Now,

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>what I can easily bust is Jack Ademos claimed that

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>he in Task for Savers Set Saber seven, never tortured anybody,

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>which is what he argued in Afghan court. But unfortunately

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the judge who was trying their case was somebody that

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Jack had abducted, arrested, and tortured. And this judge actually

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>testified at Jack's trial, which is since he was the judge,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I would call it best in unorthodox legal precedent. So

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and again yeah, but also the judge was almost certainly Yeah,

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's weird because like I have no trouble believing

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 1>this judge was like maybe doing ship with the Taliban,

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe doing just other shady ship because he's a political

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>official in Afghanistan in two thousand four and they were

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>all on the fucking take. Um. Yeah, like yeah, there's

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 1>probably he's probably a sketchy said of a bit, but

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>like also Jack and his guys absolutely tortured this guy

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and then he winds up trying their case just like you.

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>That's that's like the record scratch scenario you want. And

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you're just standing at the table ready to see, and

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>then you see the guy's face, and one of the

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>dozens of guys I torture winds up being my judge.

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>What are the odds? Shoot? So here's a rolling Stone

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>quote from the trial where the judge gets up and

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>talks about his beerience. The judge then stood up in

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>mind out how somebody acting like James Bond a Dima,

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>of course, came into the house waving a weapon, shouting

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 1>hands up, hands up. Also taken into custody were two

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>of the judge's brothers, as well as four the relatives

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and a family retainer. The eight prisoners would be discovered

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>by Afghan authorities when they later busted a Dima's jail.

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>The judge told me the first night, around midnight, I

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 1>heard the screams of four people. They then poured very

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>cold water on me. I tried to keep myself from

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>screaming but couldn't. Then they played loud, strange music. Then

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>they prevented me from going to the bathroom, a terrible situation.

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I was hooded for twelve days Jesus Christ twelve. The

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>trial also brought up evidence that did seem somewhat exculpatory

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>for Jack and his men. US military authorities repeatedly admitted

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>under questioning that they had been aware of Jack's task force,

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and some evidence emerged that Adema and his men may

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>have thwarted an assassination again attempt against the Afghan Education

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>minister Um. But again it's impossible to say what the

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 1>funk actually happened here, and this is made more complicated

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>by the fact that the FBI apparently took a bunch

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>of documents and tapes from a Dima's home after his

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>arrest and then withheld them from defense lawyers. This is

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>peculiar because the FBI should not have had any jurisdiction

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 1>in an Afghan court case. And this is all complicated

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>by the fact that it happened in fucking Afghanistan, a

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 1>country with an enormous amount of government corruption and huge

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>numbers of officials who were straight up on the take.

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I have read a lot of articles about this, and

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea conclusively about what went down, But

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.439
<v Speaker 1>looking at the life of Jack Adiema on the whole,

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I do think it is safe to say that Task

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Force Saber seven was some sort of grift. The vast majority,

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 1>if not the entirety, of the people that he went after,

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>targeted and tortured were completely innocent, and he deserved the

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>sentence that he received, which was ten years in Afghan prison.

0:38:52.160 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>The judge that he tortured sentences him to prison. Um,

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I just love that the judge whom he tortured sentences.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Now their journalists who visited him while he was in jail,

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and they all note kind of bemusedly that he was

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>very popular with his guards and managed to get himself

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and his men into a luxury cell with carpet, satellite

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>television in a private bathroom like a kitchen, and all

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>sorts of nice stuff. And they're just like, well, it's

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like that's what these journalists say. And the obviously he

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>bribed them, he gave the money, he has money, he

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>paid it to them. Like I like that. I like that.

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>One of the things included in the subscription is it

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>had carpet. Yeah, ship Man prison with carpet ain't the

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>worst prison. So Jack was released in two thousand seven

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and quite wisely decided he could never turn home to

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the United States. Uh, and again he was released like

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 1>seven years early. Probably bribery, but it was through a pardon.

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Who the funk knows, Maybe was something to please the

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Defense Department. Um. Either way, as soon as he gets

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 1>out of Afghanistan, he knows that he absolutely cannot go

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>home to the United States because he still has wire

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 1>fraud warrants after his arrest in North Carolina, and they

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>were pinning federal charges for all of the crimes he'd

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>committed in Afghanistan when he was torturing people. So instead

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 1>he went to Dubai and attempted to set up a

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>drug in arms smuggling syndicate. This failed, and so Jack

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Adima headed to the last refuge of all true grifters, Mexico.

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, fuck. I love how often episodes of the

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.280
<v Speaker 1>show end in Mexico. It is always such a treat

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>whenever we get to Mexico. So Jack bought a boat

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>and started running a charter boat service for tourists. He

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>called himself Captain black Jack and patterned his personality after

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Captain Jack Sparrow. Yes, you might say there has been

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a degradation from his his tie him as a terrorism

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 1>expert so now he's doing booze cruises and pretending to

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>be Jack Sparrow. He built a home and in an

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 1>imitation Middle Eastern style, and was said to relax there

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>in a thobe, which is like the long gown that

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 1>men in parts of the Middle East, where his ex

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend claims that he would regularly go on multi day

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.240
<v Speaker 1>of vodka and cocaine suit suit soaked binges while looping

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>either Arabic music, the Apocalypse Now soundtrack, or just playing

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Louis Armstrong's What a Wonderful World on repeat for hours. Yeah. Yeah.

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>At some point, Daniel Jack Adama caught HIV, possibly due

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to the fact that he had constant casual sex with

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 1>strangers and never ever used protection. Sometimes that happens. Yeah,

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 1>this is a this is a different part of the story.

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh buddy, we are getting into a twist in the tail.

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>So we we we do not stand an unsafe sex

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>participants knows none of the unsafe sex with people you

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know, fam. We don't know when Jack Edema got HIV,

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>but we absolutely know that getting it did not cause

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>him to start using condoms, because he gave it to

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend without telling her that he was sick in

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the first place. She later recalled that he explained he

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.959
<v Speaker 1>thought he was immune to the disease because, in his words,

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in his words, Danial, he had super blood. What what

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 1>are one more time he had super blood? He had

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>super blood. I just wanted to hear you say it

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 1>again again. As we're getting into this point, Jack Edema

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>has seemed like he oh, definitely a con artist. The

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff that came out about him later in his life

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>makes me suspect that there was also either mental illness

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>as a result of just like he was, he got sick,

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>or because of his constant drug abuse he damaged his brain.

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:05.320
<v Speaker 1>It is unclear. But what happens next, Like, yeah, there's

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot about Jack Adema, Like what this what his

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend's reports revealed. Is this just a lot about Jackodemo?

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.839
<v Speaker 1>We don't know. I up until I started reading her

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>accounts of him, I thought he was just a standard grifter.

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And now there's a part of them that's like he

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>may have actually been ill outside of the HIV. It

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>is very hard to say. Um, but this is the

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 1>part at which things get moderately less fun because his

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:35.320
<v Speaker 1>very last girlfriend, Penny, a lazy contracted HIV from Jack,

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and given that she did, it's almost guaranteed that God

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>knows how many other people got HIV from this guy,

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>because again he would throw days long cocaine and liquor

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>or gy benders while he was in Mexico and before

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>while he was in Afghanistan, and he probably had HIV

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>for a large chunk at that time. So he gets

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 1>so many people sick. He's this is a guy who

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>does nothing but leave shattered lives in his wake. Now

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>that girlfriend Penny ale See wrote a blog post about

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 1>what Jack did to her, and it's honestly heartbreaking, and

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I am going to read a quote from it now,

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 1>a long one, so we'll have to pause a couple

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 1>of times in this I did not get HIV via

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 1>drugs or being a hooker. I got it the way

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of women get it. I was in love

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and stupid period, and because of love and stupidity, my

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>life will never be the same, whatever is left of it.

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 1>So the story is not for profit. It is for

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 1>peace of mind into that when I meet my maker,

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.240
<v Speaker 1>I will know I did all I could to stop

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 1>this monster. Jack Adiema has a lot more sins than

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>just giving out HIV. I am as concerned about other

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:35.759
<v Speaker 1>people being sick as I am, and about dying. The

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 1>other stuff will come out eventually, although I am sure

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>won't be around long enough to see it. So yes,

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I am mad, very mad sad as well. Now. She

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>claims that Jack started their relationship by flirting with her

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.839
<v Speaker 1>online while he was locked in prison in Afghanistan. Um,

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 1>which is again you'll notice the last time he was

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>in prison he also exited with it with a woman

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>he had been flirting with remotely. Uh yeah, yeah. So

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>he used her to take care of business he needed

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>done in the United States when he got out of

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>prison because he couldn't re enter the country, And he

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:06.959
<v Speaker 1>also relied on her to take care of his dog

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>when he went off doing whatever the funk Jack Adema

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>did when he wasn't taking care of his dog. He

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>also doesn't deserve a dog, Yeah, he doesn't that one

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 1>does not deserve a dog, do Yeah. So she was

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>like the last person to know Jack well. And it

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>is from Penny that we get some of our final

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>big revelations about Jack Edema. Quote. Jack always told me

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>he was a heterosexual, and when I finally found out

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the truth, it was too late. Now, I also know

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 1>that he was bisexual years ago. A Green Beret he

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 1>was stationed at Fort Bragg has come forward and told

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 1>me of his meeting Jonathan Keith Adema as he called

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 1>himself back then. He met him at a news stand

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>located on Bragg Boulevard in Fayetteville, North Carolina, in early

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>two thousand, two thousand one. They would have sex in

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the back room. He also went to four fifty Robuson

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 1>Street and had sex with Jack at his apartment next

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to his office in that building. Two other men have

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>also come forward. Jack was also went to cross dressing

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>secretly then too, as well as having his anus penetrated

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>by dildos. He never used condoms then. Now he occasionally does,

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but the damage is already there. The disease has progressed.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I've also been told about his encounters with men when

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>he was in prison in Kabul, Afghanistan, Apparently Thursday nights

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 1>their war for man sex. I wish to God he

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 1>had told me this himself when I first met him,

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know how true that is, uh, but

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Jack definitely had HIV which progressed to full blown AIDES,

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and it definitely seems credible that he was just fucking

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people his entire life and never taking

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>any care about the fact that he was spreading diseases

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to them. Um. I think that it's possible Penny has

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>some weird homophobias stuff, although it's kind of unclear from

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>her writing. But it also seems really credible that this guy,

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Jack Ademo was just fucking people and spreading diseases his

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>entire life without a goddamn care in the world. Um,

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's cool. That's a cool story. Jack was accused

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of rape at least once in two thousand ten by

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>a young woman who visited his home. He temporarily fled

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 1>to Belize to escape justice, but returned to Mexico and

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 1>was unmolested by the law until his death in January

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>two thousand twelve as a result of AIDS. So that's

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 1>how this story ends. Robert Young Pelton, somewhat legendary war correspondent,

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>is probably the reporter who wrote most about Jack Adiemo

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>without falling for his bullshit. And I found an article

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>written after Jack's death in McClatchy by Pelton or that

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 1>quotes both Pelton and Penny Elsie, and it provides some

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 1>final explanations for how Jack got away with his schemes

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>for so long. He would meet somebody that he needed

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 1>or wanted to be like, like the author Robin Moore,

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and then he would absorb all their mannerisms, words, and

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.839
<v Speaker 1>the way they dressed. Pelton said it worked in part

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 1>because he was highly intelligent. Few con artists could warm

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:47.839
<v Speaker 1>their way into helping more the author of the Green

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Berets write a book, and few could come up with

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 1>such strong legal arguments for so many spurious causes, he said. Indeed, Alessie,

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>his former girlfriend, said Adema wrote nearly all of the

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 1>legal filings he was involved with over the years. I

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.479
<v Speaker 1>know because I sat there and watched him, she said.

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Then the lawyers would just sign off on them. So

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 1>at the end of this, I don't know what to

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 1>fucking make of this dude, other than that he was

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.839
<v Speaker 1>a monster and a grifter. But it is very hard

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 1>for me to tell how much of this was like

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 1>a coldly calculated piece of ship and how much of

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>this was like just a damaged ill man compulsively possibly

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 1>based on the fact that he actually had delusions like

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking ship up, like I really don't know where to

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>land on this guy other than that he was a monster.

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.279
<v Speaker 1>But that's the story of Jack Edema. Sounds like a

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 1>piece of garbage, a dying, war obsessed piece of trash

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>who did not participate in safe sex and has ruined

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the lives of probably hundreds of people at this point.

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, Yeah, there are so many like poor young

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>men and if we're honest, probably kids who I am

0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking certain got sick because Jack Edema, you know, contracted

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:05.240
<v Speaker 1>their services as uh sex workers and then just rolled

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 1>on with his life. It's like, it's actually, if you

0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 1>imagine that this guy is as it seems likely, he

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<v Speaker 1>was just spreading HIV around Afghanistan's sex worker population for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years. Like, there's no telling how many

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<v Speaker 1>people got sick as a result of him. Undoubtedly way

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<v Speaker 1>too many. Yeah, that's cool, that's a cool story. Another

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<v Speaker 1>bastard in the bag. Yep, another bastard in the bank. So, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>how you feeling, you know, Uh, I don't know, not great,

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<v Speaker 1>not great? Would you feel better to know that prior

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<v Speaker 1>to the two thousand one invasion, Afghanistan had one of

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<v Speaker 1>the lowest rates of HIV infections in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>that after the war they had a skyrocketing AIDS crisis. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't make that doesn't make you feel good. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>of course it doesn't, because it's it's unspeakably terrible. Cool. Uh, well, Robert,

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:19.439
<v Speaker 1>you are an incredible, incredible person. You tell you what? Who? Well? Dan? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people find you on the internet if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to give you the internet equivalent of a sexually

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<v Speaker 1>transmitted disease, which is fandom? Yes, I don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm going with this. Well, if you want to bother,

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it's okay. I haven't had. They're all imaginary friends I have.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow me on Twitter at DJ Underscore Daniel

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 1>d A n L. You can follow me on Twitch

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<v Speaker 1>at twitch dot tv slash dj Underscore Daniel. Come off

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<v Speaker 1>to play video games and we'll hang out and tell stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you behind the scenes stuff about Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>like when he gave me a knife and I have

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<v Speaker 1>it right here. It sounds like that you heard it

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<v Speaker 1>open just now. Yeah, come look at my knife on Twitch.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not what I meant. Okay, come come look

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<v Speaker 1>Dan knife on Twitch and send him pictures of your

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:14.839
<v Speaker 1>own knife. Whatever knife means to you personally. You know,

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>we all get to define the word knife for ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>and for and for the record, my the knife that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about fits the Twitch standards and practices. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about an actual flip blade by cr k t

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<v Speaker 1>kt R. And I'm done and to cut all this,

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<v Speaker 1>cut none of this, and cut nothing yourself, listeners, as

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you go out into the world, and by go out

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>into the world, I mean stay in your homes for

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<v Speaker 1>the love of God. I'm Robert Evans. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast called The Women's War and you can find it

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>presumably just google it. It'll it'll come up. Google it

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<v Speaker 1>in the word podcast if you need to, you'll fucking

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<v Speaker 1>find it. Like we all know to use the Internet,

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 1>like you know the title. That's all you fucking need.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? What are you doing demanding I

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 1>give you more information I've given you if you figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out Twitter, and I post links to episodes because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a nice person and Robert as a hack, I'm sorry,

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm just abusing the audience to make them

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<v Speaker 1>love me more, which is the kind of thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certain Jack Adema did a lot over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of his life. Compare yourself to that nightmare, Robert you're

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<v Speaker 1>a good boy. No, no, you don't know what I

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<v Speaker 1>got up to in Afghanistan, Sophie. I'll give you one hint.

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<v Speaker 1>There was never an Osama bin Laden. That ship's fake

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<v Speaker 1>news anyway. Robert Evans here taking credit for September eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Big Trouble and signing off. You can follow

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.400
<v Speaker 1>him on Twitter and I right, okay. You can follow

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<v Speaker 1>us on Twitter, Instagram at Bastards Pod. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>the sources for our episodes under part one of this

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<v Speaker 1>episode under the episode description we have a tea public

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<v Speaker 1>still or I'm gonna look at Robert unworsh here. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the episode. Wash your hands or not. If

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 1>you're at home, it doesn't matter. It could be as

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.919
<v Speaker 1>stilty as you want to wash your hands. Don't listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this asshole. Live like a monster, be a gorilla.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine. Suck it up for society. By h