WEBVTT - Julia Louis-Dreyfus: Women in the White House 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.920 I am a woman. Hear me roar in numbers too 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.600 big to ignore, and I know too much to go 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.760 back and pretend because I've heard it all before and 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.520 I've been down there on the floor. No one's ever 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.080 going to keep me down again. I am strong, I 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:35.320 am invincible, I am woman. That song from Helen Ready 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.960 came out in ninety one. I was fourteen years old, 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:44.240 and Brian, that was the beginning of my ursioning feminism. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.240 That's exciting. I was negative ten when it came out. Wait, really, 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.000 it was a really meaningful moment. This was ten years 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.800 before you were born. It was I'm sorry to report 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.440 I'm going to reach across this desk and slap you. Yeah, 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.720 it wouldn't be the first time anyway. But yeah, that's 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.960 equal rights, isn't it. But you know, I think that 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.119 that song was so important to me in my formative years. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.240 That and the Mary Tyler Moore Show, because let's face it, Brian, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.920 she could take a nothing day and suddenly make it 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.160 all seem worthwhile. Why are we talking about all of this? Well, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.440 at the convention in Philadelphia, we saw the first female 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.880 nominee for President of the United States in history, and 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.080 no matter what your politics are. That's a pretty big deal. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.880 So we wanted to get a take on what this means, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.600 how people feel about it. We went out to Times 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.720 Square to talk to women and men, boys and girls 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.520 about the prospect of the first female president, female president. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.679 Do you want to talk to me? So? And here's 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.080 some of the things they had to say. Where are 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.840 you from New York? Oh? You were, Well, how do 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:56.360 you feel about potentially having a female president? It's everything, 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.960 it's everything that we need. Doesn't mean anything to you, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:07.040 but I mean it's kind of surprising. Why because like 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.280 if it's like the first girl, I mean, it's always 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:18.280 a new thing. So how old are you? Okay, So, 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.919 how do you think you'll feel if, in fact Hillary 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:26.600 Clinton's elected and you watch her being inaugurated? Proud? Kind 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.840 of like we could all do it too. They give 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.680 you one day I could be president. Um. I think 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.720 it's more significant of the person and the character rather 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.840 than the person's gender. Um. When I'm looking at voting 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:44.959 for somebody, I'm not looking at sex, race, religion, anything, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.000 looking at what they stand for and what they're doing. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.120 And so, how do you feel about you? Can you 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.959 tell me who you're voting for UM, I'm winning much 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.080 more towards Trump than than through for Hillary. How do 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.920 you feel about it, I don't think. I don't really 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.200 it's a matter. I think it's a your opportunity. Personally, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.760 I feel like how the female president will probably change 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.400 the standards of you know, I don't know. I feel 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.440 like it's kind of an equal in the world of 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.600 men and women. We get paid less, men get paid more. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.520 So if Hillary does become president, maybe those rules were 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.359 changed when everyone is kind of equal. It's not. As 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.440 she's a good president, then it would be great. So 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:27.760 her ability matters more to you than her gender. Half 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:38.680 in half, we're excited to have the fictional feminist heroin 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:44.520 Julia Louis dryfe is akj or anti heroin Selina Meyer, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.520 who is currently running the country, at least on HBO. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:52.160 Like so many Americans, I have a massive girl crush 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.680 on Julia Louis dreyfuss. I first met her as Elaine 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.640 on Seinfeld and I did a story on the final 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.600 episode of Seinfeld, so I went to the set. We 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.320 had so much fun, and in fact, she taught me 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.840 some of her moves on the dance floor, which is 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.400 my favorite Seinfeld episode explained so much about you on 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.320 the dance floor. Hey wait a second, I'm a really 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.120 good dancer. I have to work hard to look like 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.800 a bad dancer. Actually, Brian, come on, but we I 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.840 just I don't know. We just hit it off. And 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.440 of course I'm so thrilled for her success on V 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.080 because I think the show is brilliant and she is 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.920 brilliant in it, and she was nice enough to let 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.839 us give her a call at her house in l A. Hi, Julia, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.840 Louis Dreyfus, Hi, Katie Kurt. It's very exciting to have 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.080 you joined our podcast. And by the way, it's because 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.559 we're in my house. It's possible things are gonna happen 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.960 while we're talking. That's okay. Like my teenager is still 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.400 sleep upstairs, and so he may come down and ask 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.880 for breakfast. Okay, this is a good time to teach 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.400 him how to boil an egg exactly. This is Brian Goldsmith, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.520 who's a huge fan of yours I am and a 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.600 huge fan of the show. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.760 So welcome to our little podcast. Well, thanks for having 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.960 me on your little podcasts. You listen to podcasts, I do. Yeah, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.920 I I think they're amazing actually, and I listened to 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.840 them when I have a long drive or on a plane. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.719 What's your favorite podcast? Well, I'm a big Iro Glass 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.880 and uh, this American Life fan. That's sort of what 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.599 I usually go to. And then the like the Moth 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.000 Series and stuff like that. Yeah, well there's so many. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.120 I don't know. You know, there's so much material out 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.800 there that's actually really worthy. I don't know how people 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.280 ingest all the incoming good quality stuff, right, no kidding, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.600 I mean between podcasts and all the good television that's 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.919 out there on on cave boy, I don't know. I 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.760 guess we should never get out of bed. I think 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.000 you're right. That's how I feel sometime, honestly. But talking 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.840 about good television, we have to talk about Viev. I mean, listen, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.280 it is so hilarious, Julia, and I know the creator left, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.000 and you were very insistent that you wanted to keep 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.719 the show going. I feel like it's better than ever. Thanks. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.159 That's so nice of you to say, And apparently you're 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.960 extremely involved in every bit of it, the writing, and 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.520 when you shoot a scene, you say, why don't we 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.160 do it this way or that way? In other words, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.280 you're a control freak in the best possible way. Yes, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.200 I think that's why you and I like each other. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.120 I think you're right, But I mean, obviously I think 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.039 you're having still having a fantastic time. And the C word, 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.640 I think was one of my favorite episodes ever. Oh really, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.000 Oh you know what my husband directed that? I know 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:42.920 he did, which made me like it even more. Isn't 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.359 that funny that that's the episode he directed? Well, I 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.599 think everybody was talking about it and people just loved 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.080 it so much. And when you look ahead, I mean, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.520 have have you started shooting for next season? We have 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.599 started writing for next season, but not shooting yet. And 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.599 so where do you you know, how do you figure 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.760 out where going to take the show? Because I think 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.039 a lot of people worried when she became president it 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.080 was going to lose its edge because so much of 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.200 the comedy was based on her being a second banana, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.840 and yet it got funnier and funnier. And and have 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.880 can you give us, without a spoiler alert, any indication 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.360 of how the show is going to move forward? Well? Yeah, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.360 I can, in in broad terms, I mean I can 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.160 say that Selina Meyer is a political animal, I mean 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.480 fundamentally in her core and so that's not going anywhere. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.679 And um, and she was present for a very short 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.920 period of time, and you can even make the argument 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:43.480 that she wasn't even quite elected, you know, and so um, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:49.200 it's very important to her. A top priority for her 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.760 is to remain relevant. Relevancy is the name of the game. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.920 So um, you know, you haven't seen the last of her, 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.240 let's just put it that way. And and I think 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.920 that's you know, this woman is always trying to get 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:09.160 uphill and uh, and that will remain in place because 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.520 even when she was president, she was campaigning to try 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.560 to stay president, and in fact campaigning to get elected 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.440 president because she wasn't. She sort of fell into it 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.440 the first go round. You know, it's remarkable to me 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.520 how many people I know in politics who say that 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.840 VEEP is actually the most accurate depiction of what real 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.840 life in elected office is actually like, not House of Cards, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.679 not the West Wing. But Veep does that thrill you 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.520 or scare you or some combination of the two. I 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.720 guess it's a sort of a cocktail of the two, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.480 but more thrilled me than anything else, because I feel 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.880 as if we've worked very hard. I mean, we've worked 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.280 really hard to keep to make a show funny first 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.480 and foremost, but we've also worked really hard to keep 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:57.200 it plausible. So so much of the behavior and storylines 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.760 goes through sort of a sieve in which we say, Okay, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.080 is this plausible? Would this happen? Can this happen? Is 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:11.640 this too broad? Is it just the right of small? Um? 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.800 You know? And so I I'm I'm thrilled at that, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.839 and I do believe you know, I know it may 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.320 seem as if I'm very cynical about politics and so on, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.959 it actually has, in a weird way, kind of um 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.960 made me have even more respect for those people in 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.400 politics who I think have remained true to their core 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.439 and who haven't sort of an an elevated sense of 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.120 of and correctly so, of of doing the right thing 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:43.040 and and and sort of following an idea as opposed 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.360 to just um, a single person or an ego and 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.960 and and those people exist and so um, and I've 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.880 had the good fortune to run into them. And of 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.040 course there are plenty of people in politics who don't 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.360 fall into that category, but I think there are plenty 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.360 who do. So I'm not. I'm not undone by the 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.880 the reality of the show. You have real political or 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.360 form of political prose who contribute to the show. You 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.760 have also great journalists like Frank Rich who you know, 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.679 had a great proximity to power and wrote about it 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.240 through the years. Um. I can't help but wonder how 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.480 the juxtaposition of the Trump campaign and the craziest campaign season. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.600 I think that you and I and most people can 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.440 remember how that is kind of playing out in terms 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.320 of how VEEP is developing as well. Can you talk 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.120 about that a little bit, Julia, Yeah, Well, I'll tell 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.960 you something. What's going on in the Trump campaign. I 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.120 am telling you if you were to take the actual 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:50.679 his language, his his the sentences that he speaks and 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:55.240 put them down on paper, or there's certain reality the 0:10:55.320 --> 0:11:00.640 realities that occurred at the Republican Convention, I e. Uh, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:06.720 Milania Trump plagiarizing the speech um, either wittingly or unwittingly whatever. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.720 But it's a fact. Uh, it's too broad for our show. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.320 Real life is crazier than it's too big. I'm telling you, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.880 if they had said that, I would have said, no, guys, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.040 we're not going to do this. Is this is ah, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.360 this is broad. This is like a cartoon when you 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.920 come up with stuff like that slogan continuity with change, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.440 which is sort of a parody of a political consult 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.160 of a slogan, And it turns out the Prime Minister 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:37.400 of Australia basically copied it. His was continuity and change. Yeah, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.320 so he changed the uh what is that conjunction or whatever? 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.720 And then he got a lot of shipped for it, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.960 and then I guess he made it. He made he 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:50.920 changed it again. But isn't that remarkable? That's one of 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.720 my favorite UM moments, Julia. I mean, what do you 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.600 think of this whole Trump campaign when you see it 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.000 just as an American citizen? And who on the show 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.400 is most like Donald Trump? You think, um on the show? 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.400 I guess the person who's the most like Donald Trump 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.360 on our show is Jonah Ryan, only because played by 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:16.480 the wonderful Tim Simmons, only because he's completely um ill 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:21.120 suited for the job of congressman and um and unfit 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:26.520 is the word of choice these days, and and potentially 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.640 mentally unstable all in one. So I would say that 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.319 Jonah Ryan is as close as we can get to Trump. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.120 But he certainly wasn't fashioned after Trump? Are you being 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.400 inspired by some of the things you're watching on the 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.040 campaign trail? And I don't mean inspired as a person, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.720 I mean inspired as a writer and someone in the 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.000 field of comedy. Well, I mean yes and no. I 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.560 mean the show obviously isn't a parody. And we've created 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.840 this alternate universe on our show so that parties aren't 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:59.480 aren't defined. Uh. And that's really been an advantage, particularly nowadays, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.120 when everything is so seemingly polarized. Um, I think it 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.560 gives us the opportunity to have sort of everybody can 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.400 join in on the fun. I mean. The truth is 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:16.080 is that when we meet with insiders uh and politicians 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.880 and so on in d C, no matter what side 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.800 of the aisle they're on, they think we're making fun 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.840 of the other side. That's convenient. Yeah, it's very convenient. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:31.319 So um, I mean, yeah, sure, we're all uh keenly 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:36.440 involved and watching, of course as all I would think 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.600 I would hope most American citizens are, but also as 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.240 comedy writers and as and given the fact that the 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.120 show is political, but our goal is not to sort 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.520 of scoop that stuff up and and and we never 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.600 have sort of put it directly into a show. Um, 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.440 although it seems to things seem to sort of parallel 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.360 a lot in a weird way, almost by coincidence, as 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.840 in the continuity uh, continuity with change slogan. Let's talk 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.160 about your sort of political leans. I know you had 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:15.160 your supporting Hillary Clinton. Um, and I'm curious about how 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:19.720 you feel she's being portrayed out there in the world, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.160 and if you feel that she's being portrayed fairly, because 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.440 there is you know, I'm sure you've talked a lot 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:31.960 about sexes and both professionally, politically, etcetera. And do you 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:37.120 think that's entering into the conversation even in a subtle way. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.840 I think it's in the conversation. And we don't even 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.560 know it. For instance, we're talking about it right now, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:48.080 right and um, we wouldn't be talking about it if 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.960 it wasn't an issue. Um, there is, there's no avoiding it. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.560 You know, it's it's it's an extraordinary achievement that she's 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.920 a first female candidate for for president dominated Canada, I 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.080 should say. And and at the same time, she is 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:09.360 being seen through a lens as such. Um. And you 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:14.000 know people talk about those pants suits and people talk about, uh, well, look, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.640 let's put it this way, a man who is I've 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.560 said this before, but a man who is decisive and stern, 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.520 uh is. I would say Garners a certain amount of respect, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.360 but I can't say that's the same necessarily for a woman. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:32.760 And I really think that's all you need to know. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.320 And you play the first female president on your show, 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.880 how do you think about portraying that character You're trying 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.760 to send a message in any way about now, I'm 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.280 trying to be funny period, I'm not on a soapbox 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.960 on this show. Having said that, though we're making fun 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.960 of this reality, I mean, there has been more than 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.760 more than one occasion in which uh A Meyer has 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.840 said things like I don't want to identify myself as 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:10.400 a woman because people don't like women, and as a woman, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.520 you know that, and I know that we don't like women. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.160 So I mean, I'm completely botching what the line was, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.720 but we've said a variation on that line multiple times 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.760 throughout the seasons, and the word lady balls has used 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.280 many times on the show. Yeah, lady balls for sure. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.880 I was asking Brian about, gee, does the show really 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.160 kind of take on sexism? Uh, in a in a 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.480 in a in a significant way, and we were scratching 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.280 our heads and saying, not so much. It seems to 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.320 be somewhat gender neutral in terms of the comedy that's 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.360 part and parcel of the show. Would you agree with 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.880 that except for those some exceptions, I think we do 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:53.880 take it on. But I think we take it on. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:17:01.400 It's it's um, it's between the lines, um, And I 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.879 think the very concept of the show takes it on. 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.680 Now we should say there are a lot of female 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.080 conservatives who are not supporting Hillary, having nothing to do 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.119 with sexism, but because they fundamentally disagree with her. Oh listen, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.200 I'm not even suggesting that people aren't supporting her only 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.480 because she's a woman. For those who aren't supporting her, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:27.040 I'm not suggesting that. I'm just saying that people, Um, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:31.120 it's a different kind of judgment period, That's what I think. Right. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.840 In fact, she said as much talked about sort of 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.560 Hillary standards, right, and think she's been very open about that. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.280 And and do you feel like that exists obviously for 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.560 women in Hollywood still, there's been so much discussion in 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.560 recent years about the dearth of great roles. You did 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.400 a very funny skit with Tina Fey and Patricia Arquette 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.879 and Amy Schumer comes up as your last effable Day, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.159 And and I think that was also about agents not 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.840 allowed to swear on your podcast. Well, I don't know. 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.600 You did say it the other day, and that got 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.680 a lot of attention on social media. It did, did it? Really? 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.000 So if I correct you and say it's called the 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:17.920 Last fuckuble Day, maybe it'll get more bucket. Anyway, what 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.480 was the question? The question was about the video? Oh, yes, yeah, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.440 And I was just gonna say, um, is it still 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:31.159 very frustrating to be a woman in Hollywood? Sure? I know, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.360 is that's a stupid question. I know that's it sounds stupid. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.840 But I feel like things are starting to change a 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.679 little bit, or are they not. I don't know, It 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.000 really depends. I mean, no, no, I mean I guess 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.199 they are, just because we're sort of talking about it. 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:52.000 And and I think there's certainly been um more movement 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.399 in the world of television and cable, movement in the 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.879 right direction for more gender equality and also versification. I 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:06.000 would say, but um, certainly not in film. I don't think. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.800 I don't think that's the case. In film, and it's 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.480 definitely harder to age in in show business as a 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.880 woman than it is for a man. But I would 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.200 say that there's a there's plenty, plenty room for improvement. Yeah, 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.240 how can we change that? You know, as somebody who's 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.000 about to turn sixty? Uh, that would be me, not you. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.439 I think about it. Will it ever change? Because it 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:35.960 seems to me the preferred age of actors or newscasters 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.000 even or is in their thirties and forties, right, So 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.919 how do you change that? By continuing to work and 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.760 setting an example, you know, and uh and having some 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:53.240 ladyballs because um, as much as as as you can 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.720 or feels appropriate. I mean, I executive produce my show 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:03.320 and I uh call a lot of the shots and um, 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.760 but that hasn't always been the case, and I'm glad 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.440 it is now. And I try to hire as many 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:16.840 capable women as as we can and and uh, but 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.760 it's not easy there. I mean, it took a long 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.919 time for me to get into this position, and uh, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.479 I've had to work hard to get to this moment. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.240 But maybe I'm happy to be here. I was going 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.520 to say maybe because of you, though it will be 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.879 easier for the women who are coming after you. And yeah, 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.840 I feel that for me too. Yeah, you know that 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.960 I had to put up with so much BS when 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.320 I anchored the CBS Evening News that I feel like 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.359 the women behind me don't have to deal with quite 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.199 as much. I mean, there's still a certain amount of 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.080 it that they're going to have to tolerate, but it 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.880 just sort of gets easier. The less novel it is, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.000 the easier it becomes. Yeah, I think that's exactly right, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.600 the less novel. And uh, you know, assuming that Hillary 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.560 gets elected. You know, think if you're a little kid 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.119 right now, think if you're ten or twelve years old 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.920 and the first president in your memories that is an 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:17.760 African American man, and the next president is is a 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.760 a female. I mean, I think how that changes your 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:26.080 point of view on life generally. Um, I think it's enormous. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.920 We should talk about for a second your own relationship 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.679 with Hillary Clinton, because she sent you a note in 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:39.440 early Can you tell that story? I can. Well. Um, 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.920 it turns out that when we we shot Veep in Baltimore, 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:50.080 Maryland for the first four years, and um, someone who 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.000 was in our makeup department also did the makeup for 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.879 Hillary Clinton. And this was back when she was Secretary 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:03.920 State and so uh for Christmas. Uh, the hair make 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.879 folks who are all good friends of mine gave to 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.040 me a buck slip that's a secretary stayed on it 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.560 and it's from Hillary Clinton and hold on him in 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:21.840 my office. I'm gonna get it. And it says, uh, Julia, 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.880 you're a great VEEP. Hope you can get gun control, 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.440 immigration reform, and job creation this season. All the best 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:34.359 Hillary Rodham Clinton. And this was in January of two thirteen, 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.280 so you can imagine how thrilled I was to get 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.400 this was such just amazing and you thought, wow, this 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:45.119 show is really breaking through, Yes, exactly, And so I 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:52.359 had it framed and loved it. And then her emails 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.000 came out and uh, and a bunch of them, you know, 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:58.520 we're put out there for public record or whatever the 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.640 word is. And somebody tweeted to me, did you see this, 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.920 which I had not because I really not interested in 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:11.560 really for emails and uh, and the email is from 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.520 Hillary to somebody who worked for her, saying, a friend 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.479 wants me to sign something for Julia. Lewis drce Dryfe 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:20.639 is for VEEP any ideas Lewis by the way, it 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.679 is spelled l e w. I s that's not how 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.560 I spelled my last name. So she's a huge fan 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:30.760 and and her guy wrote back, let me brainstorm on 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.119 this one, do some research. I confess I haven't seen 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:41.159 the show, so it was just perfect. And so I 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.960 printed this up and then I reframed this so that 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.880 the buck slip and the email are next to each other, 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:51.239 because it's it's just quintessentially, it's everything about this I 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.680 love to be honest with you, and it's and and 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:57.840 it's nothing against Hillary at all, but it does speak to, frankly, 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.760 what our show Veep is very much about. And uh 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.560 so it's but I was thrilled to be I mean, 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.840 to have this connection and then to have this buck 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.560 slip from her. It's just crazy, isn't it? When it's 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.439 so funny when you say what our show is really about? 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.800 What would you say your show is really about? It's 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.760 obviously about not not about nothing. It's about Is it 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:24.919 about sort of the difference between appearances and what people 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:28.280 what's really going on behind the scenes. Yeah, I guess 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:33.080 it's about the real huge human behavior in politics as 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:38.000 opposed to the lofty idea of human behavior in politics. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:44.040 And Uh, it's what's behind the curtain. That's what it's about. Well, 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:47.520 one small thing that the show accomplishes is it is 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.200 it exposes the culture of the body man in Washington, 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.520