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Speaker 1: Come on, expensive, You just dont get expensive on the

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Speaker 2: All right, injuries suck, you know the deal. But Will

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Speaker 2: Carol is here as the injury expert to help us

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Speaker 2: sort through everything. Make sure you check out his substack

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Speaker 2: under the knife. The info gets much more in depth there.

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Speaker 2: But let's hit the surface here. Will, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: It was an injury filled weekend. I'm gonna start with

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Speaker 2: the biggest head scratcher for me personally. Can you walk

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Speaker 2: me through the Jordan Albarez situation? They had him hitting

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Speaker 2: and swinging and getting ready for potentially playing in games

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Speaker 2: this past weekend, and then we learn that there's actually

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Speaker 2: an undiscovered injury. It sounds like via cat scan, which

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Speaker 2: they hadn't initially done, and he's got a small fracture

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Speaker 2: on his right hand. It's on his ring finger, right.

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Speaker 2: They didn't catch anything on an X ray on an MRI.

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Speaker 2: So tell me what your thoughts are on this injury

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Speaker 2: and if the Astros might have cost themselves a potential

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Speaker 2: think that he hurt himself a little bit more by

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have any information on whether it held

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Speaker 3: him back, whether there was any re injury. But we

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Speaker 3: do see this more often than you think. Travisachek did

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Speaker 3: at least until the nanoscopes come pretty soon. But sometimes

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Speaker 3: does happen. So just an unfortunate situation for Alvarez and

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Speaker 4: Well, how often do you think this happened? Because I

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Speaker 4: is there, And all I did was they I went

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Speaker 4: and I just got to go to the beach every day.

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Speaker 4: So listen, there are worst places to be on the

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Speaker 5: But how often does this happen?

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Speaker 4: Because what happened to me is they did X rays

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I can't, I can't swing, I

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Speaker 4: then they did a bone scan and then they were like, oh,

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Speaker 4: there is a crack, and I wonder you couldn't play right?

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Speaker 4: So why don't we just do all the tests right away?

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know what are we waiting for? Like

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Speaker 4: it's it's not like they you know they're doing something.

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Speaker 4: It's not like bone skin on your hand or a

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Speaker 4: I mean you literally sit there and they do the

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Speaker 3: It's expensive, that's the one thing. You've got to schedule it.

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Speaker 3: You know, the it's tough free X rays right there,

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Speaker 3: they're in every.

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Speaker 1: Come on, will come on, Come on, they're expensive. They're expensed.

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Speaker 1: You just dumped it expensive on the Houston Astros. They're expensive,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you have to schedule it. They're

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Speaker 4: Jim Crane picks up the phone and calls Houston Baptist

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Speaker 4: toss or whatever, and.

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Speaker 5: Then get him right in.

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Speaker 4: Trust three, I had an MRI s and cat scans.

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Speaker 4: You don't wait, you go right in and the play

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Speaker 3: These are the excuses the medical staffs will make.

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Speaker 3: You know that's something I always member about. Would you

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Speaker 5: I wore everything I could. Listen, Bryce Harper wear an

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Speaker 5: I wore an elbow guard my whole career. They're comfortable.

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Speaker 5: I think pitchers complain pictures complain.

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Speaker 4: About you know, armor and this and that, but like

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Speaker 5: But if I did, I would out a shin guard on.

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Speaker 3: If I were a player, I'd be wearing an iron

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Speaker 6: Smith Sharver, how good he's been. But what's the hold

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Speaker 5: What do you have for us there?

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Speaker 6: Because you know he was big for the Braves right now,

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Speaker 3: He was, and this is just another one of the

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Speaker 3: enough Tommy John's that you're comfortable with that? So yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna hear fairly soon that he's having any elbow reconstruction.

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Speaker 3: Let's remember it isn't just plain old Tommy John anymore.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you too.

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Speaker 3: You said it earlier. You know he's probably in there now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: hey I'm feeling a little bit sore. Hey, this doesn't

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Speaker 2: Shir Needin, Hey, well, I'll take us to more of

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Speaker 5: It's still a thing.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think of this recent news and

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Speaker 3: Both. Yeah, they've got so much depths right now. It's

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Speaker 3: They do have risky pictures. They brought into Saki knowing

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Speaker 3: but yeah, we've gotten nearly twenty five percent. I think

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Speaker 3: If the people that own the teams had that kind

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Speaker 3: bet they'd be in there and firing people and making

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Speaker 4: The Dodgers speaking of calling up the next kind, I

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Speaker 4: don't if they cover for this one, the Mookie Bets injury.

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Speaker 4: Is this is this an all time funny?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 5: Is this not funny?

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Speaker 3: It's not funny.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because you know how it happened, but it's

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Speaker 5: But is this like it is this on the all

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Speaker 4: Lifted up his suitcase and got hurt, or you know,

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Speaker 4: look back on and say, Moovie Bets broke his toe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think MOOKI can't afford a nightlight or

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Speaker 3: we've all done this. Nothing you can do for that toe.

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Speaker 3: you know you think of smokes, you know, ironing the

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Speaker 3: hurt himself falling out of beds and he was dreaming

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Speaker 3: about spiders. But yeah, business just one of those things

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Speaker 3: that you forget. A guy like Mookie bets it's human

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Speaker 5: By the way, fact checked really quick.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Sanchez hurt his finger when a suitcase caught it.

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Speaker 3: Also true.

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Speaker 2: That was in twenty eighteen and twenty twelve. Former catcher

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that Smolt stories is true, but

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Speaker 4: I know lou Ford, who I played with, did iron

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Speaker 4: true because he told me. Wow, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a dare Wild night out. But hey,

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Speaker 5: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: Cam? Last one?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, last one for me. Listen, a guy who would

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Speaker 3: To acclimate himself back into that angle's line up? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well until he wasn't. But this knee is not going

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Speaker 3: it just wore down. Those bones are grinding on each other.

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Speaker 3: It's not it doesn't have the same cushion. You can

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Speaker 3: feel it, and that's what he's getting now, is that

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Speaker 3: how to keep it from bruising again. But it's going

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Speaker 3: to bruise again. So the question is how much he

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Speaker 3: all his career he was compared to Mickey Mantle. This

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Speaker 2: He wanted, Oh if only a show all off season,

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Speaker 2: look and see what show did that.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very very much for the time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Great to catch up. Obviously wish there was better news,

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Speaker 2: but we do hit the bat phone when we need you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks mam, Thanks Thanks all guys.

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Speaker 2: At make sure you check out Will's substack which I

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