WEBVTT - Exploring the World Through Tech 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:13.239 Get in technology with tech Stuff from hastaff dot com. 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.239 Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.960 Jonathan Strickland. Today, ladies and gentlemen, I have a real 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.600 treat for you. I have Luria Petrucci on the line 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.640 with me. Luria is a friend of mine. We met 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.440 at c S I think for the first time many 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.159 years ago, and she If you don't know who Luria is, 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.320 I'm going to fix that right now because you need to. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.160 She's an important voice in technology and has been for years. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.879 She's a pioneer in the field of covering tech and 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.640 explaining its significance and how it affects us. And she's 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:52.320 an entrepreneur. She has done amazing things. Her story is phenomenal. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.080 You need to go and research her. Luria, Welcome to 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.160 the show. Welcome, And I think you might have taken 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.120 it a little too are I don't know if anybody 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.119 can call me important. I think you are downplaying. You're 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.440 downplaying the role Loria. Let me let me put to 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.160 you this way. This is absolutely true. I'm not blowing smoke. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.800 I'm not I'm not you know, flattering you. This is 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.600 absolutely the truth. Before I worked at how Stuff, works 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.440 dot Com. As I was getting into that, I was 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.480 following all sorts of text stories and there were there 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.560 were really only a couple of of outlets that I 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.000 regularly went to, and I would follow your work and 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.360 I followed c net. Those were the two so like 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.160 buzz out Loud, that group, that's who I followed, So 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.880 Tom Merritt, Molly Wood, Jason Howell, uh Veronica Belmont. Those 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.759 were the folks that were following over at c net 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.360 at the time. And then I was following you, and 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:53.040 that was before I had finally made it. Well, actually, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.680 you know what, the very first time I met you 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.680 may have been at a south By Southwest and it 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.160 just really impressed me because you were you just came 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.240 right up to me and chatting with me. And that's 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.919 when I was like, hey, I made it because because 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.360 I've got talking to me, and now I've got you 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.960 on the show. And and Luria, we we were chatting course, 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.680 and we were chatting before about you know, what would 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.840 we like to cover, and you you pitched an idea 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:20.600 to me, this idea of how technology can be a 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.040 tool for us to not shut the world off, which 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.000 is the way I think a lot of people portray tech, right, 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.120 they say that our personal gadgets have have made us 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.680 focus on the screens of our phones and ignore everything else. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.799 But rather how there are certain types of technology, whether 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.800 it's actual gadgets or applications, that encourage us to go 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.240 out and explore the world, to be part of the world. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.919 And uh, I think that's a really valuable narrative because 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:54.079 it's so in opposition to the accepted truth that if 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.720 you are into tech, you hide yourself away in the 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.440 basement and you surround yourself with all your gadgets and 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.680 you you don't have any interactions with the quote unquote 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.760 real world. And uh so we're going to explore that today. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.640 And um yeah, And I think you know this comes 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.239 from my my recent obsession with trying to get out 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.360 into the world. And I've uh yeah, I mean I 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.640 sit behind my computer, I get involved in my tech. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.280 I have for eleven years of doing tech shows online. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.640 And I moved to the Pacific Northwest two years ago, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:34.000 sorry a year ago, and um, I just became so like, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.240 oh my god, I'm I'm in the Pacific Northwest. It's 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:44.240 this amazing place, gorgeous hikes everywhere, mountains, oceans, rivers, like 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.000 everything is around here and I'm sitting in front of 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:52.560 my computer. What am I doing? This doesn't make any sense. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.640 And I love the outdoors and I love to go 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.680 on hikes, but I don't do it enough. So I 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.920 started looking at ways of getting um out from my 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.160 computer and taking technology, which I still love, and getting 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:09.520 it out, getting um exploring the world, taking in the 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.720 world around us. And I've been encouraging our audience to 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.120 do the same with a weekly show about it. And so, yeah, 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.560 it's just been it's been an obsession of mine because 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.400 I think we often do spend too much behind time 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.159 behind the computers. But you're right, like technology can be 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:33.640 something that allows us to do more out and about. Yeah. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.640 I one of my earliest episodes of tech stuff, UH. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.440 We published it on January nineteen, two thousand nine, so 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.360 this wasn't even a full year of tech stuff yet. 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.200 We started in the summer of two thousand eight. In 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.640 two thousand nine, we published an episode UH, and we 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.800 were specifically looking at GEO cashing. It was actually called 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:57.039 GPS games people play And for those who don't remember, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.960 I don't, I don't judge you. It has been something 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.480 like seven hundred and fifty episodes since then, so I 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:08.160 get it. But geo cashing came the The idea came 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.159 from people who are already enthusiasts about GPS receivers. And 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.960 if you're of a young age, you may not be 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.800 aware that GPS receivers when they first came out to 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.560 the consumer market, we're not terribly useful. One they were 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.640 not in your phone and to the devices you would 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.680 get were expensive. And three they were not terribly accurate. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:33.280 On purpose, the US government had restrictions on how accurate 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.840 a GPS receiver could be two within something like, you know, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.800 a hundred meters, so that you could not use them 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.880 for what we use them today, and the purpose of 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.400 that was to preserve national security. But over the years 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.760 those restrictions were lifted and people who were really enthusiasts, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.839 like the early adopters of GPS receivers, came up with 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.960 this idea, what if we were to make a game 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.799 of it. And I created like a little a little 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.800 hash a little box filled with tiny you know, goodies, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.000 usually some sort of like trinkets, key chains, that kind 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.440 of stuff. I hit it, I noted the coordinates, and 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.960 I listed the coordinates on a website, and other people 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.039 could see what the coordinates were, plug it into their 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.680 GPS receiver and use that to guide themselves to the 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.920 location where I hit it. Now you've already got gamification 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.919 in there. You know, it's a treasure hunt, which I 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:34.040 think the humans out there love a treasure hunt of 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.560 some sort, right, So yeah, you tap right into that 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.800 primal desire, like the idea of seeking and finding something. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.479 There's something really compelling about that, and you add the 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.919 technology to it. And then on top of it, the 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.080 people who started doing this began to go to places 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.600 that they fought thought were really inspiring or beautiful or 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.720 something that a person should really experience, and they would 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.040 hide the treasure box there, and that way it became 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.880 not just a treasure hunt but a discovery. You would 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.920 go to a place you had not been before, and 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:14.200 you would see something that someone else had found impactful 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.440 for one reason or another. And I found that story 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.200 so compelling, so interesting that that my co host and 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.960 I did a full episode on it, and we've followed 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.720 it up a couple of times since then. But that 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.080 was the first time I really thought about using technology 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.200 almost in a tangential way to get out there and 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.200 explore the world. And uh, I want to hear some 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.560 of the things that you have encountered in your experiences 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.360 of covering this particular topic. Okay, and now from Geokashi, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.320 we have Pokemon Go. But I'm not going to mention 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.880 Pokemon at all in this episode because Pokemon Go it 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.200 just is way overtalked about, and I don't think we 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.200 should mention Pokemon Go at all. This isn't this is 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.320 fair because I think I think that that when we 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.680 first started talking about this, I said, let's not talk 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.040 about Pokemon. I did a full episode of Pokemon Go 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:12.160 and it published probably about two weeks too late. Oh no, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.760 because because we're past, we're past that peak, that that 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.240 that game is now on the down slope. I mean, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.560 there's still people who really play it, but the I 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.160 would I have a friend who still really play. But 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.480 I have a friend who just posted she said I 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.320 got to level thirty, but I wasn't happy with the 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.400 choices I made, so I started over. I'm like, oh 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.520 my god, oh my god, I don't. I don't haven't. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.160 I never hit level twenty. I gave up before then. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.199 So let's talk about my friend. Actually, okay, no, no, no, no, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.560 I want to hear your friend. She actually started to 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.920 She changed her phone so that she didn't have to 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.880 use her boyfriend's phone in order to play the game. Right, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.080 when you when you're making when you're making hardware decisions, 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.360 that that tells you that is that's the definition of 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.680 the killer app, right, because if you make an app 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.280 that is so compelling, people go out to buy the 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.880 hardware so they can put the app on the hardware. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.320 You've struck gold, even if they have even if it's 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.760 only for like a month and a half, you've struck gold. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:18.920 But we are not going to be talking about Pokemon 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.640 go on this episode, all right, So let's talk about 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.560 some mother just after Um first and foremost. Now, this 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:33.439 has just come out recently, the d j I Osmo mobile. Um. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.200 This is a wonderful gadget that I that we've fallen 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.560 in love with around here, h do you know what 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.800 it is this yet? I know what d j I does, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.640 but I want to hear more about this. So d 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.160 j I is of course the drone company. Um, and 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.680 they came out with a little gimble, a handheld gimble. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.120 So it's like a steady cam. It is UM, So 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.840 it's like just a little, you know, hand tell selfie 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.640 stick if you if you think about that, except it 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.360 doesn't extend to be like a selfie stick. But it's 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.800 just a it's a it's a handheld gimble. UM. You 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:13.439 put your phone in it and it keeps your video stable. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.600 So basically, like if it can do so much, it's 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.160 it's pretty pretty incredible. So you take it and you've 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.800 got a steadicam on the go for all of the 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.559 photos and the video, all all the video that you're recording, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.800 and uh, it will track you through like you can 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.840 set it to track somebody, so uh set it to 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.440 go and as somebody moves around or as you move around, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.760 you can can keep the video stable, not only stable, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.040 but also keep track of the person that you're trying 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:48.560 to shoot. It's not just it's not just a dumb gimble. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.960 It actually has some some motorization so that it can 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.840 it can stay keep in on a specific person. That 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:59.360 is really cool. It is brilliant. And now at first 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.560 when I on packed it, I was a little disappointed 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.280 because they don't include like, they don't include all the parts, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.079 so you have to kind of like piecemail it together 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.920 on and through the order process, which we didn't understand 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.800 it first. So like if you have if you have 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.720 one phone versus another, you might have to order different pieces. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.360 It's the power adapters. So if you can you can 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.400 actually charge it um so you know, with with the 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.480 one battery that goes inside of it, you can charge 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:31.800 it through um, just a cable. But if you get 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.760 an extra battery pack and you get the charging station, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.439 the power adapter for the charging station doesn't come with it, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.120 which I found really odd. Um, that's just stupid in 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.520 my opinion. But uh, they anyway, so you have to 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.679 piecemail that together. So I was a little like, oh, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.800 come on, DJ, come on. It sounds like they were 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.640 taking a note from the uh the Japanese smartphone market 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.280 where everything has been standardized. So you never get a 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.760 charging chord when you buy a smartphone in Japan because 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.959 since all the chords fit all the phones, they think, well, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.080 once you buy a charging kit for one phone, it's 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.680 good for all of them, so therefore it never comes 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.280 with the hardware anymore. But that's not the world we 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.240 live in. That is not the world we live in. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.760 And to make it worse. So if you have a 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.520 d j I Phantom four or you know, a drone, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.360 then you have a cable that will charge it, but 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.679 it's a proprietary cable, so you have to already be 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.599 well inside the d j I ecosystem in order to 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.120 have Yeah, I think most of us don't have those 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.240 just laying around in the cord drawer at home. No. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.280 Luckily we did because we have a Phantom four, But 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.480 otherwise I would have been screwed. So just be aware 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.480 of that. And it does take a little bit of 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.040 a process to get it set up. You know, these 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:57.600 these motorized gimbals are not the super easiest to set up, 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.440 so it's not like you're going to unpack it and go, um, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.880 so you do need to settle aside, like fifteen minutes 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.360 to get it set up. We did a blog post 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.960 about how to do that, just because it's a little 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.480 bit weird. But um, once you get it going, it's 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.120 like the most brilliant thing in the world, and we've 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:19.120 been using it for everything. So like steadicams have been 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.000 traditionally a super expensive piece of equipment that takes a 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.880 ton of practice. Um that not everybody has the skills 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.520 to do UM, and so this really puts it in 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.560 your hand and it makes it UM easy ish. You know, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.439 once you get a set up, it makes it easy 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:41.160 for everybody to have steady video on the go. So 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.960 I have really fallen in love with it. It's only two, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.760 which is brilliant. Yeah, especially when you if you were 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.640 thinking like a two or nine or a gamble, but 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.520 we're talking about one where with this tracking ability, it 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.080 makes it fantastic. I mean, it means that you can 0:13:55.120 --> 0:14:00.160 actually shoot decent movies with a phone. I mean we've 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.720 seen that get become more and more of a thing. 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.040 We've even seen some kind of experimental films that have 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.640 been shot at least in part with phones. This makes 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.760 it even easier where if you're not like because it 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.800 it's it could be difficult when you're shooting with a 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.880 phone just making sure that you've got everything in frame, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.080 especially if you're using a forward facing camera as opposed 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.120 to the rear facing camera, and having that that tracking 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.280 ability is fantastic. UM. Yeah, I I know exactly what 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.840 you mean when it comes to developing that skill with steadicam. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.320 We have a steadicam set up here at work for 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.640 UM for for small DSLR type cameras, not even a 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.840 big camera type. Uh. And I there were so many 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.480 days where the video crew you would just see them 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.720 walking around the office, swooping around, practicing their moves because 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.200 we had a shoot coming up. Uh. It's very entertaining, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.520 but a little distracting when you're at work. That's great. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.440 Yeah for me, I got. I got doubly excited, not 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.560 just from a gadget perspective and from a mobile perspective, 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.240 but also because one of my other brands is I 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.440 teach video and live streaming, and that made it just 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.840 incredibly easy for me to say, Okay, just get this 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.880 and you're good to go. You know you can. You 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.000 can skip all that other high tech stuff and all 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.360 the uh the classes or training you would need and 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.240 get something that can really get you up to speed 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.080 pretty quickly once you get past that actual learning curve 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.400 and all the shaky cam goes away in the world 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.000 that I can't wait for that. And also because because 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.320 the way the mount is, at least in all the 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.680 pictures I'm looking at of this, it has has the 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.080 phone already in portrait mode, which gets rid of the 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.960 other issue that I have with all video shot on 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.040 phones except except. One of my team members actually found 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.960 on d j i's website a picture of a mom 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:01.160 using this this piece of equipment with it in portrait mode, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.000 and I was like, what, why why? But yeah, it 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.400 is a lap dape mode where you get that nice 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.960 you get that nice horizontal wide and the way that 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.680 we're used to watching videos on screens. Um. Yeah, It's 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.040 one of those things where where whenever I see apps 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.920 that are designed to share video from phones, I get 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.280 that almost all of them always start with a portrait 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.360 only mode because that's how we tend to hold our phones. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.360 But let's get past that as soon as possible, alright, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.600 So one next. All right, So All Trails App. Um, 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.280 this is an app that I have been using for 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:43.200 years to find hikes around me. Um. This is it's 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.920 called All Trails, like all the trails in the world. Um. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.560 But um, it's a It's an app that is full 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.360 because it's been around for so long. It has a 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.400 huge community of people flushing out all of the information 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:05.080 and giving reviews, um tips for particular trails. So when 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.520 you go into the All Trails app, you can just 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:12.600 locate trails around you. So um and this is this 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.320 is a great way to get out and if you 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.119 need to have your phone on you at all times, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.560 you can use it while you're on the trail and 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.639 get tips about what to look at or what to 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.800 go exploring, you know, through through the throughout the trail. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.760 Um so people will tell you know, okay, you can, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.440 well you can when you can. You can filter by easy, moderate, 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.520 or hard. Um and people are very specific, like okay 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.639 on this particular trail. If you don't exercise a lot, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.000 that's cool, this is not this trail is not for you, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.320 you know, like um and and they're very they give 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.919 very good and accurate advice on this app. So I 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.280 have loved this app for years. Um I used it 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.439 to find things like even and when I when I 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.160 lived in Dallas, I didn't think I had many places 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.520 to go out wars um and this app told me 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.919 about places that I never would have found out about 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.520 otherwise without some major googling. Um So it was. It's 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.760 a it's a great app. If you are a hiker 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.800 or you want to just go explore some cool places 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.600 around you that you probably don't know exist, use this app. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.679 Um It's free, but they do have a pro version 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.240 that gives you even more UM for I think it's 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.399 and I saw you talking about this on a recent 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.480 video over at geeks live dot com, and it was great. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.199 You were at a gorgeous hiking location, there's like a 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.520 waterfall and all this kind of nice stuff. Yeah, it 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.520 was a fantastic way to showcase how the app can 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.280 let you discover places that you would not have known 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.840 about otherwise. And uh, you touched on something that I 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.600 think is also really inspiring about this particular type of tech. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.080 Now it's not the case with everything that falls into 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.040 this category, but there are a lot of things that 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.679 you know, a lot of the exploration style gadgets and 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.720 technology that have depended at least in part, if not primarily, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.520 on uh sort of the crowdsourcing of information. Geo cashing 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.600 is definitely that way. That's how it started. In fact, 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.840 if it weren't for crowdsourcing, it wouldn't exist. Um And 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.720 so it not only does it reward you by giving 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.600 you places to go and check out and see, it's 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.200 always possible that if you see something that isn't on 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.159 one of these apps, that you have discovered something that 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:39.480 is in fact a publicly available trail and you're not trespassing. Yeah, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.240 then you can. You can share it and increase the 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.680 functionality and the value of that app and even perhaps 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.280 lead someone else to discover that same place that you've been. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.080 It also makes me like I over the summer, I 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.800 went to northern England. Um, actually I went to all 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.360 Over or the British Isles. It was fantastic. But one 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.359 of the things that really struck me, and it I 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.760 didn't even think about this as a cultural thing, but 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.280 in England there are walking trails all over the country, 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.679 and the culture in England is that those walking trails 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.080 are available for people to walk across, even if it 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:24.960 crosses private land, because the trail itself is um is protected. Um. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.400 But so it means that you can walk from one 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.359 shore of the UK to the other on some of 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.199 these trails. Uh. And often it's a several days of 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.640 hiking in order to do all of that. And that's 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.800 it's a very different culture than what you find here 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.720 in the United States, where obviously private property we treat 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:46.800 it very differently. And yeah, I have been guilty of 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.000 saying that, but I am old and I am allowed. 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.600 But uh, yeah, it's it's this allows you to go 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.480 and find those places where you are allowed to explore 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.280 and to have those experiences. There's so many times where 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.640 I would have liked to have had access to that 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.320 when I was traveling when I was younger, because I 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:10.320 would find out later after having gone someplace like, oh man, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.000 that that looks like that was right around the corner 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.040 from where we were. Uh For example, there was a 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.520 trip I made with my wife to Kawaiti, beautiful place 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.520 in Hawaii, one of the most gorgeous islands I've ever 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.720 been on. And there's so many different waterfalls in Kawaiti 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.919 that you can hike to and go and see in 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.000 trails that you can go to, and we went to 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:35.320 maybe two and afterward you've you've then come across all 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.199 these photos you think, wow, um, well, I mean, it's 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.880 a reason to go back. But it's nice to have 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:45.720 uh apps like this to to really help you and 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.720 guide you so that you don't miss those opportunities, whether 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.080 they are the ones that are in your neighborhood or 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:55.520 someplace that you're visiting. Absolutely, yeah, you you've hit it 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.000 on the head. I usually talked about it in terms 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.879 of where you live because we don't know what's around 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.520 us even. But yes, when you're traveling, that's a that's 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.080 a great use for it for sure. All Right. So 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.040 we've got we've got our our motorized gimble, we've got 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.920 our app to discover hiking trails. What else have you 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.919 gun in store for us? So I do have another 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.840 hiking app, but a totally different twist on it. Um. 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:22.439 So it's called I really don't know how you say it, Karen. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:28.000 I guess it's k A I r in So Karen 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:33.200 is how I'm saying. So make it so excellently. Um. 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.960 This is all about safety. So if you're you know, 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:40.240 worried about not having coverage, if you're worried about their 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:44.040 tagline is fine, sell coverage in the wilderness. Um. So 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.679 if you're worried as a as a woman sometimes you 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:50.240 know you do worry about those things. Um. And if 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.520 you're or if you're worried about you know, hey, I 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.439 don't know if I'm gonna you know, come out of 0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:01.160 this live if they're bears or if they're whatever any 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.600 kind of safety concern. Um, this app is for you. 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.800 So it's a called It's at Karen me dot com. 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.840