Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up? Everyone?
Speaker 3: Welcome to move the six. I'm Bucky Brooks. I'm here
Speaker 3: with my man Lance Z stepping in for DJ. We're
Speaker 3: gonna have a lot of good conversation because one thing
Speaker 3: that I know is whenever h Town is on the pod,
Speaker 3: he's gonna put it down up Lance, what's.
Speaker 1: Going on, Buck? How are we doing?
Speaker 2: Man? Were good? We kneed eep into this season.
Speaker 3: Lance, We're well week eleven. We're entering in the National
Speaker 3: Football League season. That means that not only is the
Speaker 3: NFL going on in earnest, we got some teams that.
Speaker 2: Are already looking ahead to the draft.
Speaker 3: We got the college football season nearing the end where
Speaker 3: we get to money time, we got a college football
Speaker 3: playoff and all that. That means that we are beginning
Speaker 3: to look at some of these top prospects and that stuff.
Speaker 3: And we're not gonna talk about them top prospects in
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five class today. But look, I know
Speaker 3: you're putting in a lot of work. I know you
Speaker 3: got the drive working in overtime. How's it going for
Speaker 3: you right now?
Speaker 1: Oh? Good? I mean I'm like twenty two players down,
Speaker 1: so I got I only got about four hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty to go. But it's, you know, as my the
Speaker 1: way I do it. Everyone probably like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to start on quarterbacks until I've got all
Speaker 1: their game tape. I don't. I don't want to develop
Speaker 1: any bias. I want to I want all their game tape.
Speaker 1: But I got to start writing somebody. So right now,
Speaker 1: when Jim anybody that's injured, you know, the players who've
Speaker 1: been injured that I think are gonna come out, I
Speaker 1: wrote them up. When Senior Bowl invites are coming out
Speaker 1: right now, you know, I just wrote the tackle from Yukon,
Speaker 1: Chase Lunt. I wrote a kicker from Florida State, a
Speaker 1: punter from Alabama. I'm in the middle of. So like you,
Speaker 1: you get a Senior Bowl invite, I'm I'm getting after
Speaker 1: it because I got to have you written up anyway.
Speaker 1: So unless you're a team that's gonna be going deep,
Speaker 1: and I know you've got some other you got more
Speaker 1: big games ahead of you. And now is about the
Speaker 1: time if I have enough tape that I can start
Speaker 1: writing these guys up. But I don't know about you
Speaker 1: from a process standpoint, I want to see you against
Speaker 1: Tennessee's defense again, typically Georgia's defense, maybe not as much
Speaker 1: this year Alabama, Like there's certain trial horses. I want
Speaker 1: to see you against Ohio State, against Oregon. I want
Speaker 1: to see you against certain types of teams offensively or defensively,
Speaker 1: because they're going to have some pro prospects on them
Speaker 1: and you're going to be playing against pros. So why
Speaker 1: do I care what you're doing against Rutgers when I
Speaker 1: can watch you against Oregon? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean I think there's something too watching
Speaker 3: best on best, like being able to look at a
Speaker 3: prospect schedule and say, you know what, I don't need
Speaker 3: to watch them in order because a lot of people
Speaker 3: have watched the last four games and those things. I'm
Speaker 3: looking for the matchups. Who are the teams that are
Speaker 3: load with pros. I want to see how.
Speaker 2: You perform versus those teams.
Speaker 3: And I didn't tip you off before this, but I'm
Speaker 3: just so curious your take on You remember years ago
Speaker 3: when the Detroit lines were horrible, and you remember when
Speaker 3: they were drafting people and everyone was like, why would
Speaker 3: you take Campbell in the first round and why would
Speaker 3: you take dis.
Speaker 2: Player and that player? Lance?
Speaker 3: Have we learned anything from watching the Detroit Lions absolutely
Speaker 3: beat people to sleep with the rosters that suddenly looks
Speaker 3: like one of the best rosters in football? Are there
Speaker 3: some lessons that we can learn from that? At scouts, man,
Speaker 3: I think you just answer your own question. It's about,
Speaker 3: you know, if you build bully. If you want to
Speaker 3: build a bully, then you got to go get bullies.
Speaker 3: And it takes bullies to make bullies. And that's you know,
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell's that guy. I love what Brad Holmes has done.
Speaker 1: I think Brad Holmes has done an outstanding job of
Speaker 1: understanding what their philosophy is for like what a lion
Speaker 1: looks like. And I think that's because he takes into
Speaker 1: account Aaron Glenn on the defensive side, he takes into
Speaker 1: account Ben Johnson, you know, the two coordinators. He takes
Speaker 1: into account the head coach ultimately about who is a lion?
Speaker 1: You know what a lion has looked like. You know
Speaker 1: you mentioned Taylor Decker that was the first round pick
Speaker 1: back in sixteen. I thought, Eh, he's all right. Then
Speaker 1: they go Graham Glasgow in the same draft these two guys.
Speaker 1: Here we are eight years later, starting left tackles, starting
Speaker 1: left guard Frank Ragnow first round pick, and center and
Speaker 1: been there for six years, starting center. They ring over Zeitdler,
Speaker 1: a right guard, the right tackle Pine Sewell, first rounder.
Speaker 1: If you're running the math on that, that's three first rounders,
Speaker 1: a third rounder, and a solid free agent. And we
Speaker 1: haven't even you know, we haven't even gotten to the
Speaker 1: fact that they continue to draft behind it. Did an
Speaker 1: incredible job with Sam Laporta in the second round, and
Speaker 1: then Jamiir Gibbs, who everyone you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: where you trust a guy like Ben Johnson, and Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson tells you, I know it's gonna not be popular,
Speaker 1: but we want to go get a guy who can
Speaker 1: become a matchup problem, a guy who gives us a number,
Speaker 1: you know, a slasher component as a running back, and
Speaker 1: then we can line up and beat people out of
Speaker 1: the backfield with them. And I think the Jamier Gibbs,
Speaker 1: you remember, Bucky, we were both doing it on draft day.
Speaker 1: It was not you know, typical draft thought is you
Speaker 1: don't draft a running back in the first round unless
Speaker 1: they're really special, and he's not a twenty five carry
Speaker 1: a game guy or twenty game But man, has he
Speaker 1: been special? And I think you know and I'm looking
Speaker 1: up and down. I mean smart free agent moves like
Speaker 1: Ali McNeil was really really smart. They got DJ Reader
Speaker 1: like Alex Anzelone who's kind of a specialist in coverage.
Speaker 1: They've just been smart with how they built it. Man,
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes is just on a great job.
Speaker 3: So it's funny, right because if you've ever been to Detroit,
Speaker 3: the one thing that you're gonna see really quickly when
Speaker 3: you land in the airport is Detroit versus everybody. I
Speaker 3: feel like I feel like that they took that and
Speaker 3: they ran with it. They have this knack of like,
Speaker 3: hey man, we don't care what you think about us.
Speaker 2: We don't care how you think about us building our team.
Speaker 3: We have a very specific criteria for who we're looking
Speaker 3: for to surround our team.
Speaker 2: And you talked about it takes bullies to know bullies.
Speaker 3: When you have Dan Campbell on top of it, like
Speaker 3: at the front of the room talking about how they
Speaker 3: gonna beat people up and bite kneecaps and all that,
Speaker 3: it's very clear in the parent who they have and
Speaker 3: having this conversation earlier today, and we're talking about like
Speaker 3: man Marvra Saint Brown is a dog, David Montgomery is
Speaker 3: a dog.
Speaker 2: Penney Sewel is a dog.
Speaker 3: To me, I'm like, yeah, you just don't jaff those
Speaker 3: guys by coincidence. It is something that they're specifically seeking
Speaker 3: out to have a team that has that many guys
Speaker 3: that have the alpha competitive, feisty personality that comes through
Speaker 3: in their play.
Speaker 1: And you know, fan bases are so fickle, like you
Speaker 1: really need to be looking at teams that build it
Speaker 1: from the ground floor, and you should want your team
Speaker 1: to do that. Like the idea you're just gonna add
Speaker 1: Dame Lillard to the Bucks and everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really how it works, you know.
Speaker 1: I Mean you can try. It sounds good in theory,
Speaker 1: but the but the Miami super team of Wade, Bosh
Speaker 1: and James that doesn't come around much. And you can
Speaker 1: try to just.
Speaker 4: Add guys ad guys, ad guys through through free agency
Speaker 4: and through trades and stuff like that, but really growing
Speaker 4: your own is always the best approach and knowing you
Speaker 4: know and finding guys with great football character, great toughness.
Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold fits right into what Dan I mean,
Speaker 1: I was. I was a no brainer. That's got Aaron
Speaker 1: Glenn and Dan Campbell written all over it, Terry and Arnold.
Speaker 1: And so they draft lions, and they know what lions
Speaker 1: look like, and you look at how they're built. That's
Speaker 1: that's the way and a shrewd quarterback move. You look
Speaker 1: at the state the cults are in right now versus
Speaker 1: the state the lions are in there. But by the
Speaker 1: grace of God, go I because you saw, you know,
Speaker 1: a golf was not golf was not a hot commodity
Speaker 1: when he came over. He was not a hot commodity.
Speaker 1: He was a reclamation project. And they and they reclaimed
Speaker 1: him and Ben Jonson deserves a lot of credit. They
Speaker 1: put the pieces around him, and you know, he's coming
Speaker 1: off a really bad game, but it's the first really
Speaker 1: bad game we've seen in a long, long time for golf.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what your attitude was when Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: when you first heard that he was because he wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily a hot name, but when he was first hired
Speaker 1: and his first initial press.
Speaker 3: Conference, so the press conference was one thing right, it
Speaker 3: took a life of his own. The aggressiveness to whatever.
Speaker 3: He didn't really talk x's and o's. He talks about
Speaker 3: most mentality. But what drew me to Dan and why
Speaker 3: I was hopeful that this would workout as Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: that original staff is a bunch of former NFL players.
Speaker 3: And what I always can appreciate is like when you
Speaker 3: keep it within the fraternity, because for so long you
Speaker 3: have NFL types kind of dismissed players and what players
Speaker 3: can do, because you know, the evaluators have seen the
Speaker 3: players and have always felt like players were coddled. I
Speaker 3: love the fact that Dan Campbell one took a non
Speaker 3: traditional path to be the head coach. Not a quarterback,
Speaker 3: not an offensive coordinator, but a leader of men. And
Speaker 3: that coin that phrases is overthrown out there.
Speaker 2: I want a leader of men.
Speaker 3: But like, really, he was not what some of us
Speaker 3: say is the right of passage to be a head coach.
Speaker 3: He was a position guy who became the leader of
Speaker 3: the team. He surrounded himself with guys that he wanted
Speaker 3: in the locker room. So now you have not only
Speaker 3: a bunch of former players, but you have a diverse
Speaker 3: staff that can share real life experiences with their players.
Speaker 3: And so some of the edginess, that greediness, that toughness
Speaker 3: is because does the coaches have walked that path that
Speaker 3: they want you to walk, so you don't get the
Speaker 3: quote unquote fake tough guy spiel from the coaches. The
Speaker 3: other thing that I would say when Dan Campbell took over,
Speaker 3: I just love how he's always gone to bat.
Speaker 2: For his quarterback.
Speaker 3: No matter what people said about Jerry Goff, he has
Speaker 3: always had his back. And what I would say is,
Speaker 3: as someone who is always a huge Jery Goff supporter,
Speaker 3: I think that the Lions were able to dig beneath
Speaker 3: the surface and see that Jery Goff has the requisite
Speaker 3: toughness to be in that locker room.
Speaker 2: We know different quarterbacks at different levels.
Speaker 3: Some people couldn't handle being surrounded by alphas like the
Speaker 3: Lions have surrounded Jered Goff with. But obviously he got
Speaker 3: a little bite to him if he can get them
Speaker 3: to respond to his style and his leadership style and
Speaker 3: those things, and so toughness is a key part of
Speaker 3: every team being successful. But I think what Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: has done in terms of elevating the toughness of the team.
Speaker 3: Need more toughness from the team, and even demanding more
Speaker 3: toughness from his QB one. To me, it's a blueprint
Speaker 3: that others should follow as they're trying to rebuild their squads.
Speaker 1: I just looked at the staff. You're right. I mean
Speaker 1: Sean Dion Hamilton, De'shaye Townsend. You've got Mark Brunell. There's JT. Barrett,
Speaker 1: who was you know, obviously a great college.
Speaker 3: By but JT played in JT played in the league,
Speaker 3: like he spent time with the New Orleans Saints. Like
Speaker 3: there are a bunch of guys, and they had even
Speaker 3: more because I want to say Kevin Sheppard maybe there, yeah,
Speaker 3: he is. He played like so they have a bunch
Speaker 3: of guys that remember when he first took over it
Speaker 3: was with Duce Staley, he had Anthony Lynn, he had
Speaker 3: He's always had a bunch of guys. Antoine Rendall l
Speaker 3: is in the building. So they have former players. And
Speaker 3: so you want to see that because you're hoping, hey man,
Speaker 3: maybe this to bring more opportunities in the same thing
Speaker 3: that I've seen. You see it in ah Down with Demiko.
Speaker 3: Ryan's getting the opportunity. It's a head coach, not a
Speaker 3: quarterback linebacker, but another the NFL guy we're seeing other
Speaker 3: guys drop Mayo in New England an Tonio Pierce. So
Speaker 3: to me is as a former player, you just like
Speaker 3: seeing former players get opportunities.
Speaker 2: People are talking about qualification in those.
Speaker 3: Things, but I think in a league that is a
Speaker 3: player driven, I do think sometimes players should drive it
Speaker 3: as coaches as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, look, I've got a dad who
Speaker 1: was a coach his entire life, my entire life, and
Speaker 1: he played some college ball, had separated shoulders, got into
Speaker 1: just full time coaching, and so he didn't play at
Speaker 1: the you know, the highest level, but coached coach at
Speaker 1: a high level. Was a technical specialist on offensive line,
Speaker 1: really respected the business. But you know, there is something
Speaker 1: to be said, and just my conversations with him over
Speaker 1: the years, and I think maybe even more now than
Speaker 1: it was before, there is something to be said with
Speaker 1: you know, it's the first thing you have to do
Speaker 1: on the pro level now is get guys to buy in,
Speaker 1: buy into you. And that's not just as a head coach.
Speaker 1: I mean that's is a receivers coach, an O line coach,
Speaker 1: a linebackers coach. They got to buy into you. And
Speaker 1: you know, the buy in sometimes can be easier. It's
Speaker 1: an easier pathway potentially for a guy who's been through
Speaker 1: it and who knows who knows what the dynamics are
Speaker 1: inside of locker room, who knows what the dynamics are,
Speaker 1: you know, potentially with especially if they're younger coaches, which
Speaker 1: more and more getting younger in the thirties and early forties,
Speaker 1: it's maybe a little easier to uh, to assimilate into
Speaker 1: into your your team in a way that's easier to relate.
Speaker 1: I say it with with Demiko Ryans, like Dimiko's very
Speaker 1: relatable with the players, it's there's they don't take plays off.
Speaker 1: With Demiko Ryans. They got a swarm mentality. That's what
Speaker 1: Demiko preaches. H you know, they got some holes over
Speaker 1: there that we can talk about right now. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you're on the pathway. It's a matter of tightening things
Speaker 1: up right now. But yeah, when you it's hard to
Speaker 1: get the right guy. I mean, we look at Chicago
Speaker 1: and do Chicago have the right guy? Do they have
Speaker 1: the right guy at quarterback? It's those those answers you're
Speaker 1: not going to find them right now. But getting back
Speaker 1: to the Lions just for a second, they faced Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: I like them to, you know, to bounce back and
Speaker 1: have a better game, even though they beat the Texans,
Speaker 1: to have a better game. But at the top of
Speaker 1: the board, green base at Chicago. And let's talk about
Speaker 1: Chicago for a second, because the worst thing that happens
Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers is having CJ. Stroud become a
Speaker 1: religion quarterback at number two. And here we are in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and we got Caleb Williams struggling a
Speaker 1: little bit in the bear struggling. And here's I mean,
Speaker 1: Jadeen Daniels doesn't have a care in the world.
Speaker 4: Boot boot boot touchdown, field goals, touchdowns.
Speaker 1: They can't stop him. He's going down the field and
Speaker 1: getting points every damn time. He's running for yards, he's
Speaker 1: thrown for yards, he's getting wins. He's got a chance
Speaker 1: to win the division. Man, that pressure, that Sam Bouie pressure.
Speaker 1: When the number two guy, the Kevin Durant pressure, When
Speaker 1: the number two guy is better than Greg Odin, which
Speaker 1: is Caleb Williams right now, it's it makes it hard
Speaker 1: on an entire city, makes it hard on the staff.
Speaker 3: So before we talk to sifically about Chicago, I want
Speaker 3: to talk about the players Kayleb Williams and Jayde Daniels.
Speaker 3: Going back looking at your reports, how close was that
Speaker 3: evaluation between the two?
Speaker 2: How close were the grades between Calebs and Jayden?
Speaker 1: And they had a six seven seven three, So I
Speaker 1: had him equal but on so in my heart though
Speaker 1: I had Daniels as the better player, but that's off
Speaker 1: of tape. I also have to take into account factor
Speaker 1: his size being a little slender. Okay, but some of
Speaker 1: my ears, like the Heights told me a little bit
Speaker 1: with Caleb.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So so now now that we're having a conversation, because
Speaker 3: everyone is going to have revisionous history about this conversation,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of people, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of outside noise where it was you couldn't dispute that
Speaker 3: Caleb Wings was going to be number one overall because
Speaker 3: for a year and a half, two years, we had
Speaker 3: talked about how magical, how mystical he was as a quarterback.
Speaker 3: And there was conversation in Chicago when they got him
Speaker 3: like how are they ever going to slow down this
Speaker 3: offense with him as the trigger man? And and what
Speaker 3: I think we're learning one when it comes to quarterback
Speaker 3: man reps and experience matter because as much as we
Speaker 3: can talk about Jaden Daniels, man look and see what
Speaker 3: bo Nicks is starting to do with Sean Payton. Both
Speaker 3: of those guys entered the league with significant experience as starters.
Speaker 3: People will put all of the failures for Kayler Williams
Speaker 3: on the coaching staff.
Speaker 2: They didn't do this, They didn't do that. They should have.
Speaker 2: You know, they should run the ball more.
Speaker 3: They should do that, But at some point early on
Speaker 3: your franchise, quarterback should flash and flash and pop.
Speaker 2: In a major way.
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels isn't playing with a cast of all stars
Speaker 3: in Washington and the same play caller that we're now
Speaker 3: revering in Cliff Kingsbury. They ran out the building in Arizona.
Speaker 3: Colin Murray was upset with Cliff Kingsbury on the sideline,
Speaker 3: and we all saw that. Sometimes we have to make
Speaker 3: sure we plug our ears and we just use our
Speaker 3: eyes and we grade what we see on tape. If
Speaker 3: we graded what we saw on tape on the final year,
Speaker 3: Jade and Daniels out played Caleb Williams, wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really, it wasn't close, It wasn't close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, J James, that's not revision. It's either you
Speaker 1: and I have had this conversation before last draft. I
Speaker 1: said it on my notes that on tape Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: is the best player in twenty twenty four. The hype
Speaker 1: of Kate, you know, it was weird. I got to
Speaker 1: these players and I'm like, Okay, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see Caleb. This is going to be incredible. It's going
Speaker 1: to be incredible. I'm hearing these generational Well. The first
Speaker 1: thing was I watched Drake May first, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: Drake May's the for sure number two, Like sure about
Speaker 1: this because I had already seen bo Nix and I'd
Speaker 1: seen Jayde and Daniels. I'm like, both of these guys
Speaker 1: are better than the Drake May. I mean on tape
Speaker 1: for sure. But you know, I get the traits and
Speaker 1: I respect all that stuff and his potential and ability.
Speaker 1: And then I get to Caleb, I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams was not very accurate on the move at all.
Speaker 1: He struggled, He struggled with certain pressure looks. He was
Speaker 1: not a guy who was consistently staying. He didn't work
Speaker 1: on schedule at all, and while you can see him
Speaker 1: flash with throws and things like that, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of projection you had to do with
Speaker 1: k but you could see it on tape from Daniels.
Speaker 1: But the difference with Daniels is, Okay, he's kind of
Speaker 1: a he's kind of a skinny guy, like, how's he
Speaker 1: gonna hold up because he's also a runner who, by
Speaker 1: the way, doesn't slide effectively at all. Took a lot
Speaker 1: of big shots, but he was really good on tape. Caleb,
Speaker 1: you just kind of had to trust that those here
Speaker 1: that the hero ball would go away and he'd stay
Speaker 1: on because when he's on schedule, he's a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: But he's still going. He's still reverting right now his
Speaker 1: hero ball stuff, and it's hard to get rid of.
Speaker 1: I think it's a and I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: guarantee they get rid of it. I know Ben Roethlisberger,
Speaker 1: and my dad was there at Ben. It was tough
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh because Ben, you know, on offensive line coaches
Speaker 1: and on offensive linemen, because you hold up, you hold up,
Speaker 1: you hold up, and if he's trying to make a play.
Speaker 1: But you know, but that same issue that causes sacks
Speaker 1: will also cause him they hit a big play, and
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I firmly believe my dad has
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring because Ben Roethlisberger makes plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the way it is. But you got to take
Speaker 1: some But right now, Caleb Williams is not making enough place.
Speaker 1: So it's and he's a rookie and it's a problem.
Speaker 1: But at some point you gotta you know, what was
Speaker 1: his name, Todd oh the offense coordinator at Pittsburgh, Oh,
Speaker 1: Todd Haley. Haley, Todd Haley. At some point Haley went
Speaker 1: in and butted heads with Ben and he got Ben
Speaker 1: to start getting rid of the ball. And it was
Speaker 1: and it was and I think it helped Ben and
Speaker 1: the Steelers enormously. And I think right now you're going
Speaker 1: to have to find a quarterback coach, an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: or a head coach, one of those guys who Caleb
Speaker 1: can buy into and remake himself and understand he has
Speaker 1: to change his philosophy that I can take profits and
Speaker 1: still be a great quarterback. Right now he's playing, he
Speaker 1: wants to be a great quarterback instead of just making
Speaker 1: good football players from snap to snap, because there is
Speaker 1: talent around him. Making no mistake, the offensive line has
Speaker 1: to get better, there's no question. But you're right, this
Speaker 1: can't all just be on play calling. Some of this
Speaker 1: is you got to maximize what's around you by just
Speaker 1: being efficient and being on time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that is. I think that is important.
Speaker 3: I also think, like, without even talking about the field
Speaker 3: of play, so much of what we talk about when
Speaker 3: it comes to quarterback is does the quarterback give the
Speaker 3: team hope? And early in the process, early in the
Speaker 3: season this year, Lance, you would hear coming out of
Speaker 3: that commander's locker room.
Speaker 2: You would hear words like special, he got it. He's
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 3: We have one like those things where they're talking about
Speaker 3: Jade and Daniels where the team you're talking about veteran
Speaker 3: players who've been around the block a few times in
Speaker 3: the league respecting him like that.
Speaker 2: That's one thing.
Speaker 3: It's another thing to have the reports and the rumors
Speaker 3: that I mean, like, let's just put it out there
Speaker 3: where they're saying that some of the players may have
Speaker 3: gone to Ebraflus and talked about sitting Caleb Williams down.
Speaker 3: If there's anything remotely close to that really coming out
Speaker 3: and here's what we also know working in the league,
Speaker 3: where there's smoke, there's fight, These rumors and innu windows
Speaker 3: and things they just don't come out of nowhere. There's
Speaker 3: somewhere in the locker room a faction of folks that
Speaker 3: aren't all the way bought into the Caleb Williams experience.
Speaker 3: To me, that's more troubling than whatever it is that
Speaker 3: he's doing between the lines as a play.
Speaker 1: It's troubling in two regards. Number One, it's troubling that
Speaker 1: Caleb may not right now have the emotion and this
Speaker 1: is just purely speculation. Maybe he doesn't have the emotional
Speaker 1: maturity to get the veterans to buy in. But the
Speaker 1: other just punny thing is that it's even coming out
Speaker 1: of the building, you would hope, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: how it is now. We don't really everything's not kept
Speaker 1: in abiliting anymore because players have their own podcasts that
Speaker 1: they can't wait to put stuff out there. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think that's the other problem, Bucky,
Speaker 1: is that man, I would try to rally the troops
Speaker 1: and you know, and I wouldn't want that getting out
Speaker 1: there because I want him to remain as confident as possible,
Speaker 1: and so it's disappointing that he gets out of the
Speaker 1: building is leaked. But you're right, Usually when that stuff
Speaker 1: comes out, it's because somebody wants it out, somebody's disappointed,
Speaker 1: somebody's upset, and there's a leak, and that's h and
Speaker 1: that's what is going on here. They they could use
Speaker 1: a win in the worst way against green Bay. Green
Speaker 1: Bay needs a win this week. I mean green Bay
Speaker 1: needs a win as well. But Chicago and Ryan Poles
Speaker 1: and Matt Eberflus and the whole city and Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: man that whole crew could use a win this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they have to get a win because
Speaker 3: the look, the hopes were high, the expectations were through
Speaker 3: the roof in terms of what the Bears were willing
Speaker 3: to do, and moving on from justin Bilds, there was
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, there's a lot of expectations
Speaker 3: that were placed on Kayler Williams and maybe unfairly that
Speaker 3: they expected him to be the savior. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: situation critical is already critical in Chicago.
Speaker 2: You have Matt Eberflus, who's coaching.
Speaker 1: For should should it be critical already I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a fresh he's a rookie quarterback. Should we be taught?
Speaker 2: I know it is.
Speaker 1: It is because that's the way we make it. Now.
Speaker 1: Is it really critical, like shouldn't Well?
Speaker 2: I think yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the only reason it's critical is because, Okay,
Speaker 3: so normally what you like to do is you like
Speaker 3: to tie the quarterback and the head coach together. Like
Speaker 3: what you don't want to have is head coach coach
Speaker 3: four year fire him. Now the quarterback is on his
Speaker 3: second coach and coordinator entering his second season, Whereas if
Speaker 3: they were tied at the hip married, then they got
Speaker 3: to figure it out collectively how they move forward. So
Speaker 3: you don't know the finger pointing and the things that
Speaker 3: are going on behind the scenes. I would just say this,
Speaker 3: it is rare that a midseason offensive coordinator change works out.
Speaker 2: You normally get an emotional joke like a week and
Speaker 2: then it goes back to being what it is.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what Thomas Brown does with this offense,
Speaker 3: if he can jump stut, if you can find a
Speaker 3: way to get Kayler Williams playing, Because I watched Kayer
Speaker 3: Williams in London when they knocked off the Jaguars, and
Speaker 3: what I saw was a player who was trending up
Speaker 3: in terms of being able to play on time. He
Speaker 3: selectively utilized his athleticism and improvisational playmaking skills to make plays,
Speaker 3: but he appeared to have a good grasp on it.
Speaker 3: And I'll just say this week, this league is a
Speaker 3: week to week league, and it's amazing how quickly the
Speaker 3: wins will change, and.
Speaker 2: Just kind of put things there. We'll be back right
Speaker 2: after this break.
Speaker 3: Last thing, because we kind of jumped into this rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback conversation bow Knicks. Are you surprised as some of
Speaker 3: the success that bow Knicks has happened with Seam Paygne?
Speaker 1: No, not really, but I also it is a weird thing.
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to give him two grades. I wanted
Speaker 1: to give him a sixty seven, which is really that's
Speaker 1: what I initially had him at and people were freaking out,
Speaker 1: But I thought, man, he looked really good on tape,
Speaker 1: like he had poise, he threw with accuracy, he threw
Speaker 1: with decent anticipation, like I liked him a lot on tape.
Speaker 1: Then I didn't like him as much as the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and one as good at the Senior Bowl. Then
Speaker 1: I didn't really feel him at the Senior at the Combine,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, man, maybe I'm just getting too
Speaker 1: hyped on him. But the reality was I loved him
Speaker 1: in Denver with Peyton. I thought Sean Payton was a
Speaker 1: very specific coach he could go to and play his
Speaker 1: best football. And like, my grade would have been higher
Speaker 1: for Sean Payton, but they didn't have a you may remember,
Speaker 1: like what they didn't have a They had a first
Speaker 1: round pick, but they didn't have a second round pick.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, well, he's not going to draft
Speaker 1: bow Knicks this high. So I don't see how Sean
Speaker 1: Payton's going to be able to get his hands on
Speaker 1: bon Nicks, Like he's not going to draft him in sigh.
Speaker 1: And then when he did, I thought, Okay, bow Knicks,
Speaker 1: I think could fail with a lot of with a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of different teams. He might have failed,
Speaker 1: but I thought Sean Payton is the perfect guy to
Speaker 1: bring him along in a quick hit offense, take advantage
Speaker 1: of his accuracy, like that was the perfect offense for him.
Speaker 1: So I'm not super surprised honestly about how he's playing.
Speaker 1: That's not really surprising me. And I think one of
Speaker 1: the reasons because what you brought up earlier, Bucky five
Speaker 1: years as a starter, and he's gone through tremendous adversity.
Speaker 1: His time at Auburn was bad, Like the Auburn fans
Speaker 1: were all over him. He didn't play great football. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of adversity he had to overcome. He
Speaker 1: had a year at a year at Oregon where he
Speaker 1: was better, and then a really good final year. The
Speaker 1: trajectories of him and Jayden Daniels are very similar in
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. And so getting through adversity
Speaker 1: and then having all those snaps under his belt and
Speaker 1: then finding the perfect you know, I think offense and
Speaker 1: head coach. I think that was like all of that
Speaker 1: comes together to put bo Nicks in a position where
Speaker 1: he can be successful right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one of the lessons that will learn
Speaker 3: one looking at quarterbacks. I want to see quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: have gone through some stuff and come out on the
Speaker 3: other side. I think it's really important instead of beating
Speaker 3: them up for their early career struggles, Let's see how
Speaker 3: they were able to navigate through those struggles and come
Speaker 3: out on the other side and perform better because it
Speaker 3: appears that those guys who go through it early are
Speaker 3: better prepared to play in the pros when they get
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: Secondly, experienced matters.
Speaker 3: We talk about fifty starts, going back to Bark Purty
Speaker 3: with forty nine stars, and now you have Bo Necks
Speaker 3: and jayde Daniels. There appears to be a direct correlation
Speaker 3: between the amount of starts that you have as a
Speaker 3: collegiate and the success that you can have early in
Speaker 3: your career as a quarterback. The final thing is the
Speaker 3: environment is everything. When we talk about rookie quarterbacks. It's
Speaker 3: really important because we do this on path to the draft.
Speaker 3: We talk about operating instructions like hey, take this player,
Speaker 3: but if you take this player, you have to do X,
Speaker 3: Y and Z.
Speaker 2: Now more than ever, where the player.
Speaker 3: Lands, who's coaching him, who's calling the plays, and who's
Speaker 3: building the team around him. That might matter more than
Speaker 3: the talent that he walks into the door with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dead on, I agree with all that.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now we're talking about quarterbacks and guys that
Speaker 3: have moved on. You remember way back when we had
Speaker 3: to evaluate Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen and how crazy
Speaker 3: it was for some of us to view them at
Speaker 3: the top of the charts based on how they played
Speaker 3: at collegiance. Well, guess what, Lance, It's time for Game
Speaker 3: of the Week presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook. This week
Speaker 3: it's the kN City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills. To
Speaker 3: spread his minus two favorite the Bills.
Speaker 2: The over under is.
Speaker 3: Forty six, and those two quarterbacks, those two guys that
Speaker 3: were outliers in their respective quarterback classes are now squaring off.
Speaker 3: Let's preview this game, but let's talk about the game
Speaker 3: through the lens of those two quarterbacks and how they've
Speaker 3: developed in the league to become two of the best
Speaker 3: players that we've seen at the position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Let's start right now, right off
Speaker 1: the bat with you know, there's a similarity between the
Speaker 1: two because there were both gunslingers in college. Both of
Speaker 1: them had to carry the team on their backs, the
Speaker 1: offense on their backs. It led to some tape where
Speaker 1: they would take chances, Bucky and they would do some
Speaker 1: things that you know, if it viewed through the lens
Speaker 1: in a vacuum of a one decision, you say, that's
Speaker 1: a bad decision by Josh Allen. That's a bad decision
Speaker 1: by Pat Mahomes. But then when you get outside of
Speaker 1: that and you say, what if Pat Mahomes doesn't have
Speaker 1: to carry the load the whole time? What if he
Speaker 1: didn't feel that pressure. What if Josh Allen has better
Speaker 1: wide receivers that can actually create some separation for him?
Speaker 1: Is it is his inaccuracy? Is Is it as big
Speaker 1: a problem as it is? You know, historically the data
Speaker 1: would show you it is. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they were both great learning exercises for me because I
Speaker 1: put too much on Pat Pat being a you know who.
Speaker 1: He was a Texas tack. It wasn't a projection. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's Jay Cutler.
Speaker 2: And at the time I.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a problem with it because arm talent, gunsling mentality.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about Jay's attitude.
Speaker 3: I mean I wrote that it really was, you know,
Speaker 3: he was kind of the best that ever was because
Speaker 3: he hadn't really won significantly at Texas Tech, much like
Speaker 3: Jay Cutler had won a lot at Vanderbilt, And so
Speaker 3: you were pulled into the potential talent, the potential some
Speaker 3: of the production, but you hadn't seen the wins come
Speaker 3: with it. And so that's why that evaluation tricky and
Speaker 3: I still have my notes on my phone from a
Speaker 3: few NFL scouts.
Speaker 2: We've never seen this work at the NFL level.
Speaker 3: He's talented, he's a sandlot player, and we've never seen
Speaker 3: sandlot ball work in the NFL.
Speaker 2: So it's a credit to him Pat Mahomes for being
Speaker 2: able to, I.
Speaker 3: Would say, find the boundaries within his game to allow
Speaker 3: him to be successful. And it's also a credit to
Speaker 3: Andy Reid for taking on someone who was a bit
Speaker 3: of a projection but finding a way to maximize his
Speaker 3: talent while allowing him to still be himself as a
Speaker 3: gun sleeper.
Speaker 1: But Jordan got his Pippin too, or or Isaiah got
Speaker 1: is Joe Dumars or you know whatever combination Klay Thompson
Speaker 1: and Steph Curry, Because because Travis Kelcey's ability to think
Speaker 1: and improvise along you got one of the greatest improvisional
Speaker 1: you know, impro improvising quarterbacks. Improvisational, there's the word improvisational
Speaker 1: quarterbacks of all time. And you happen to have a
Speaker 1: tight end who thinks just like him. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you've ever watched anything where they've talked about it, they
Speaker 1: literally will just travels will just break off a route
Speaker 1: and run whatever. He don't carry just I'll just run whatever,
Speaker 1: and Trav and uh and the quarterback will just kind
Speaker 1: of read it with me. And that's why they're so
Speaker 1: hard to guard. Why the question was always asked, why
Speaker 1: can they not stop Travis kelce because Travis Kelcey the
Speaker 1: routs he's running don't show up on tape like he's
Speaker 1: just doing stuff. He's just doing stuff. And his quarterbacks
Speaker 1: with that, I.
Speaker 3: Never thought about that part when we talk about sandlot, Yeah,
Speaker 3: his best wide receiver is a sandlot specialist. And now
Speaker 3: you have two freelance players who somehow have mental teleoparthy
Speaker 3: to know what each is doing, and none of us
Speaker 3: on the other side.
Speaker 2: Can figure out what they're going to do because they
Speaker 2: don't even know when they break the heart r ye.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. But on the other side, the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3: The Buffalo Bills have kind of done the Pat Mahomes thing,
Speaker 3: where before they surrounded Josh Allen with a premier wide
Speaker 3: receiver in Stefan Diggs, they had a number two receiver
Speaker 3: in Gabe Davis. They removed both of those pieces, and
Speaker 3: somehow the Buffalo Bills are better. Yes, they make a
Speaker 3: trade for Marik Cooper, but he hasn't made a significant impact.
Speaker 3: They have, I would say, benefited from addition by subtraction
Speaker 3: because they're getting a better version of Josh Allen in
Speaker 3: an offense that's more balanced and I would say more
Speaker 3: of a committee or collective than what it used to
Speaker 3: be when it was a hierarchy and you knew who's one,
Speaker 3: who's three, etc.
Speaker 1: It's been incredible to watch because I thought losing Digs
Speaker 1: would hurt, but the reality is the Digs loss meant
Speaker 1: more time for not just Sames Cook, but also Ray Davis,
Speaker 1: who's been a fantastic rookie edition. They're in a third
Speaker 1: or fourth round whatever it was. Running back out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: James Cook has been awesome and now I you know,
Speaker 1: you get the sense that the interception numbers being so
Speaker 1: far down for Josh Allen is really impressive. He's not
Speaker 1: throwing stuff. You know, he and Lamar Jackson guys who
Speaker 1: make mistakes in the red zone, they're not making mistakes
Speaker 1: in the red zone this year. It's a different it's
Speaker 1: a different league. It's a different game to both of them.
Speaker 1: I think Josh is unencumbered by feeling like he has
Speaker 1: to get the ball to digs. I think having a
Speaker 1: running game has helped them the same way it helped
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, the same way it's helping Justin Herbert. You
Speaker 1: can run the ball, you take a little bit more
Speaker 1: off the quarterback shoulders and you get more you know,
Speaker 1: you get more efficient output. And that's what's happening with
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And you know, Khalil Shakir, look at
Speaker 1: how Brandon Bean's done a great job too. Khalil Shakir
Speaker 1: is just a guy who just get the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands and good things happen. They've been able to
Speaker 1: find quality play out of both tight ends, where Dawson
Speaker 1: and Dalton Kincaid have both done a nice job of
Speaker 1: catching passes here and there. I think Josh has learned
Speaker 1: how to spread the ball around because when you're a
Speaker 1: guy who only I saw this with Deshaun Watson in Houston,
Speaker 1: when you had d hop when you only go to
Speaker 1: one guy Matthew Stafford with Megatron, when they going to
Speaker 1: one guy all the time, you're not really developing as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You're you're developing. I would even say Tom
Speaker 1: Brady with uh, you know, with Rob Gronkowski to an
Speaker 1: extent when he didn't have Gronk. Remember how Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: production was way down, Like this great Tom Brady, he
Speaker 1: wasn't the same guy without his blanket, his safety blanket.
Speaker 1: So sometimes when you take a safety blanket away, it
Speaker 1: forces quarterbacks to be more open minded about where they
Speaker 1: want to go with the ball. And so a play
Speaker 1: call that normally they know where they're going to go,
Speaker 1: They're going to their guy. Now they're forced to like, well,
Speaker 1: let's just see how it develops. Let's see. And I
Speaker 1: think they learned the offense better that way, because it
Speaker 1: seems like it with Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same thing to happen with Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3: You removed Tyreek Hell, he becomes a he went two
Speaker 3: titles and becomes even better as they're on the verge
Speaker 3: of a potential three peed. With Josh Allen, you remove
Speaker 3: Stephan Diggs, who is his trusted confident in terms of
Speaker 3: in those big moments, the ball was going to Stephan Diggs.
Speaker 3: Now he is forced to utilize the entire look, the
Speaker 3: entire group. He's also forced to exhaust every option of
Speaker 3: the play, which is something that he wasn't doing before.
Speaker 3: To me, this game comes down to defense. And when
Speaker 3: you think about the two defenses, the Buffalo Bills are
Speaker 3: a blue collar, workman like defense, not a lot of
Speaker 3: star power. But man, collectively, they're kind of like Voltront
Speaker 3: Like you put them all together. They kind of go
Speaker 3: in the offense brin and do their thing. On the
Speaker 3: other end, they can't see the Chiefs just find ways
Speaker 3: to win because defensively, Chris Jones is a monster. He
Speaker 3: brings some people with him. Try McDuffie can get it done,
Speaker 3: lockdown on the outside.
Speaker 2: Just a really good group. What do you think when
Speaker 2: you see these two defenses take the field?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to find a defense, you
Speaker 1: want to find an MVP for Kansas City. People say
Speaker 1: Mahomes might be Steve Spagnuloh, he's doing an unbelievable job.
Speaker 1: SPACs has been great. But I have a feeling that,
Speaker 1: you know those Buffalo games, they like to run him
Speaker 1: at twelve Eastern. I mean what one Eastern, twelve Central,
Speaker 1: and ten Pacific. Well, they're going to have an extra
Speaker 1: three hours and twenty five minutes to get liquored up.
Speaker 1: So I think it's I think Bill's mafia is going
Speaker 1: to be out of control. Like I like Buffalo here,
Speaker 1: I think I think what you're going to see is
Speaker 1: kind of unfinished business. For It's Pat Mahomes always just
Speaker 1: is a is a stick in the side of the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. And I think this is that unfinished business
Speaker 1: that I saw it in college this week, Ole miss
Speaker 1: and Lane Kiffin taking out taking out Kirby Smart and
Speaker 1: Georgia that unfinished business. They could never get over the hump,
Speaker 1: and they got over the hump in college football last week.
Speaker 1: I think Buffalo gets over the hump here as a
Speaker 1: two point favorite against the Chiefs, and I like the
Speaker 1: Bills here. And one of the reasons I like him
Speaker 1: is because I think that James Cook can also keep
Speaker 1: an eye on this. Both running backs, Cooking Davis be
Speaker 1: factors out of the backfield. So even if they tighten
Speaker 1: up the run game the Kansas City Chiefs defensively, I
Speaker 1: think the fact that your running backs can get out
Speaker 1: and match up on linebackers or something you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to take a look at in this game from a
Speaker 1: schematic standpoint.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna go the other way because I think
Speaker 3: the Cancaity Chiefs have mastered the art of winning. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take them, even though the Bills are favorite. I'm
Speaker 3: looking for the Cancity Chiefs to not only defend their crown,
Speaker 3: but send a little message you're gonna have to deal
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Speaker 2: The crown is yours.
Speaker 3: Now, if we finished the game of a week, let's
Speaker 3: take a break and we'd be right back to wrap
Speaker 3: up the show. All right, Lance, So we're we're nearing
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter of the pod. Give me something that
Speaker 3: you've brought on, something that we should talk about before
Speaker 3: we close this out.
Speaker 1: I think I think the I think the growth of
Speaker 1: I think we have two very different quarterbacks that in
Speaker 1: different directions with Baltimore and Pittsburgh. You have Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: who continues to build. He had that one MVP year.
Speaker 1: Then it was kind of dol Drums didn't throw as well,
Speaker 1: was always hurt, couldn't finish the seasons. They came back
Speaker 1: with a strong year and this is his best year
Speaker 1: by far, Invall. I think he and Mounkin have been
Speaker 1: incredible together. I think Lamar is getting better as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But for everything Lamar is doing, how about the fact
Speaker 1: that we give a little shout out and a little
Speaker 1: credit to Mike Tomlin, Mike t and Russell Wilson. It
Speaker 1: was not a popular move when they went away from
Speaker 1: from Justin Fields, but up to this point they continue
Speaker 1: to win. With Russell Wilson, the offense has actually gotten better.
Speaker 1: The old wiley veterans has done what he needs to
Speaker 1: do and is keeping things on the track. And h
Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin, who everyone wants to find a reason
Speaker 1: to chase Mike off, like just because they're tired of
Speaker 1: him being there for so long. Mike T's got that
Speaker 1: Sea seem in a great space right now. And if
Speaker 1: they beat the Ravens ming up this weekend at home
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, you know, going through kind of a
Speaker 1: redemption tour. I think that'd be an incredible story because
Speaker 1: the story is Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, but the
Speaker 1: reality is Mike Tomlin and Russell Wilson, who've been around
Speaker 1: a long time. They've seen a lot of wins and
Speaker 1: it's and it's a team that Lamar sometimes he struggles
Speaker 1: against the the the Steelers. So I think, I think
Speaker 1: watching Russell Wilson, can he beat the most dynamic quarterback
Speaker 1: in Pro football right now? That's that's a good storyline
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: That is a great storyline to watch.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny because everyone was so down
Speaker 3: on the Pittsburgh Stals when they made the quarterback moves,
Speaker 3: not only for Russell but for justin fields.
Speaker 2: They're like, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.
Speaker 3: But the Pittsburgh Steelers up here to have flipped that
Speaker 3: narrative and said, no, no, no, we can win with
Speaker 3: either guy. But Russell Wilson gives us what we need
Speaker 3: to particilarly be a super Bowl contender in this game.
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's experience and the fact, let's be honest, Baltimore
Speaker 3: Ravens defense is not being great. So when you think
Speaker 3: about running the football and being able to throw the
Speaker 3: ball down the field to those big bodies on the outside,
Speaker 3: George Pickens, Mike Williams, that could be a big factor
Speaker 3: in this There's just something about the Pittsburgh Steelers being
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson's boogeyman. I'm going to
Speaker 3: take the Steelers in this one. I think they found
Speaker 3: a way to get it done.
Speaker 1: I like it too, and I think we'll see if
Speaker 1: we see bombs Away Russ again. You remember it, and
Speaker 1: in Seattle he was bombs away. He was great throwing
Speaker 1: the deep ball. This would be the game to do that.
Speaker 1: Like you said, they're not great in a secondary and
Speaker 1: if you you may need some explosive plays to beat
Speaker 1: the Ravens offense. So I think keeping eye on the
Speaker 1: on the deep ball game early on in that one
Speaker 1: to see if the Pittsburgh Steelers can take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: How about are you excited about? It's an interesting game.
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons at Denver. You got bow Nicks. We
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit more. But Kirk Kirk cole
Speaker 1: bangs Kirk Cousins. I love Kirk talking about going into
Speaker 1: trap and taking over the trap. Like damn, Atlanta's got
Speaker 1: him it. Kirks for the streets. Now Kirk Cousins is
Speaker 1: the streets have got Kirt. Yeah, and now he's he's
Speaker 1: talking about going into Denver's trap and taking over Denver's tracks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see you're having.
Speaker 3: You gotta be careful Lanta down because he's dealing with
Speaker 3: a really good defense advantaced Joseph is going to bliss
Speaker 3: him at every turn. And the thing about the Atlanta
Speaker 3: Falcons offensively love the weapons on the outside, but they're
Speaker 3: not necessarily a speed merchant group, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So they have big bodies in those things. So when
Speaker 3: think about the pressure that they can dial up, who
Speaker 3: is going to win? Can Moody win consistently? To give
Speaker 3: them the big play element, because the only way you
Speaker 3: discourage people from blisten you gotta punish them with big plays.
Speaker 2: And do they have the speed on the perimeter to
Speaker 2: punish them.
Speaker 3: Look, Bjon Robinson can ciderably hurt them as a runner,
Speaker 3: but that's going to have to be a factored when
Speaker 3: you deal with it. And then let's be honest when
Speaker 3: it comes to the Atlanta Falcons. The Atlanta Falcons don't
Speaker 3: have a pass rush. So if Sean Paygne is able
Speaker 3: to run the football and set Boat Nicks up for
Speaker 3: play action, he's going to have time to push the
Speaker 3: ball down the field, maybe you can find Court and
Speaker 3: maybe find some of their other emerging young players. To me,
Speaker 3: this is a game where the Atlanta Factors have to
Speaker 3: get this one. They gave one away last week. They
Speaker 3: gotta come back strong into this. How they played this
Speaker 3: week will let us know if this team is legit
Speaker 3: or if they're frauds. I'm gonnaet I'm gonna take the
Speaker 3: Falcons in this. Are the Chargers legit? And I asked
Speaker 3: this for this reason. They're six and three.
Speaker 1: Their wins come against the Titans, the Browns, the Saints,
Speaker 1: the Broncos. That's a good team. The Panthers and the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Their losses, Steelers, Chiefs, and Cardinals all at their top
Speaker 1: of the top of their divisions. Are the Chargers for real?
Speaker 1: Will the Cincinnati Bengals expose them?
Speaker 2: No, they won't expose them.
Speaker 3: I'm all in on the Chargers kool aid Jim Harbart
Speaker 3: being able to make it happen when it comes to
Speaker 3: the toughness to physicality, even though they don't have stars.
Speaker 3: I can't believe what he's getting out of Quinn Johnson,
Speaker 3: like I can't believe that he is looking like a
Speaker 3: significant playmaker. The fact that they have him and Lab
Speaker 3: McConkie speaks volumes about how they run the football and
Speaker 3: how good the quarterback is. It's gonna be interesting. The
Speaker 3: Bengals are solid, but they just don't have enough. Like
Speaker 3: defense isn't playing well enough. Offensively, it's a one man
Speaker 3: show with Joe Burrow Jamar Chase. I just think collectively,
Speaker 3: the Chargers and their culture and their toughness overwhelmed the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other thing is, you know, can the
Speaker 1: Bengals handle a street fight like? They've never been a
Speaker 1: team that just beats you up with their physicality. It's
Speaker 1: always been a little bit too finesse for me. And
Speaker 1: I think that one thing that Jim Harball is all
Speaker 1: about physicality. He was at Michigan. He basically came in
Speaker 1: and told you he was drafting offensive line. He basically
Speaker 1: told us who he was picking. It was just a
Speaker 1: matter of figuring out who the offensive lineman was, and
Speaker 1: it was what you see is what you get. Like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball. We're gonna run the ball,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get good up front, We're gonna be physical.
Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna play. And so I think
Speaker 1: it's a great chance for Joe Burrow and that offense
Speaker 1: to make a statement. But I think first and foremost
Speaker 1: they have to be ready to strap it on and
Speaker 1: and win in the trenches because hardball, and you know,
Speaker 1: I know their strength coach Ben Herbert, who is just phenomenal,
Speaker 1: but he's a typical strength coach. He's got that strength
Speaker 1: coach energy, which you know exactly what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: Like they are. Both of those guys are perfect for
Speaker 1: what the Rams want to do, I mean the Chargers
Speaker 1: want to do. So I think that this this battle
Speaker 1: of the Chargers I guess desire to impose their will
Speaker 1: versus Joe Sisty and the and the white outs that
Speaker 1: he's got over there. It's gonna be a it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun matchup to see if we're flying around,
Speaker 1: if we're if we're the ball's free flowing through the
Speaker 1: air and big plays are being made, or if it's
Speaker 1: the the ground and pound of the of the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it'd be interesting.
Speaker 3: Any other games on this slate that you're bringing on,
Speaker 3: give me one more game that's bruing on before we
Speaker 3: close the pied out.
Speaker 1: Well, so this is a this is not a sexy game,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it anyway, because it's the money
Speaker 1: night game the Texans and the Cowboys. Usually that makes
Speaker 1: Usually that makes all the difference in the world in
Speaker 1: Houston when we're playing the Cowboys, Man, we want to
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys. I just feel sad for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: right now, Like I'm kind of like, man, don't beat
Speaker 1: them too bad, but because I feel bad for what's
Speaker 1: going on in Dallas. But no, on a serious note,
Speaker 1: Houston right now is they're a little disheveled. They're just
Speaker 1: coming off of an embarrassing loss to the Lions.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud is not playing as well as he had in
Speaker 1: the past. The protection has been up and down. Now
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is back for Dallas. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I don't know I've seen a more dysfunctional team. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that All Star team that Philadelphia
Speaker 1: tried to put together with Vic and Vince Young and
Speaker 1: Nam DIASI won. They thought it was a super team
Speaker 1: and it ended up being a super disappointment that year.
Speaker 1: But the are worse because now you've got podcast guys,
Speaker 1: you got Jerry all the time on radio or whatever,
Speaker 1: saying everything he's going to say, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: the last time I've seen a team look this dysfunctional
Speaker 1: and Dallas is a seven point underdog at home. They
Speaker 1: don't know who their quarterback is going to be, or
Speaker 1: they do, but it doesn't matter. It could be Trey
Speaker 1: Lancer or Cooper Rush both playing in this game. The
Speaker 1: Texans got to get back on the right track. And
Speaker 1: if they lose to the Cowboys, what does that say
Speaker 1: about the Texans? For the Dallas Cowboys, I mean, are
Speaker 1: they at any point going to actually step up and show,
Speaker 1: you know, show the I guess the I don't know,
Speaker 1: the ego to turn it around, the pride to turn
Speaker 1: it around. Because this is so bad watching him on
Speaker 1: a weekly basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so bad watching him.
Speaker 3: And you know it's a team that overchieved last year
Speaker 3: when they won twelve games. Mike McCarthy is catching the heat,
Speaker 3: but this team is poorly constructed. They have one wide receiver,
Speaker 3: CD Lamb. They don't have a marquee running back. The
Speaker 3: offensive line is young, talented but young. Defensively, Michael Parsons
Speaker 3: is everything, but what he is is volatile when it
Speaker 3: comes to his leadership. Style or how many guys want
Speaker 3: to follow behind him and they're not getting what they
Speaker 3: need from the front to protect the back end. And
Speaker 3: I love Trayvon Diggs. He's a turnover machine when it
Speaker 3: comes to taking the ball away. But the team is flawed,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like for the star that's
Speaker 3: on the helmet, how many real stars do they have
Speaker 3: when it comes to what they're putting on the field.
Speaker 3: It's a team that we love to talk about, but look, man,
Speaker 3: the hype doesn't match.
Speaker 2: What the team really is. And so on Monday night
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3: But man, I expect h Town to put it down
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Cowboys, and it's always personal
Speaker 3: when these two teams square off. So look, man, I
Speaker 3: gotta thank my man Lance for coming in joined the podcast,
Speaker 3: having great discussions.
Speaker 2: I always appreciate you and Lance, we got to bring
Speaker 2: you back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to it. Let's get it going, man,
Speaker 1: it's time. It's November to my time. I got pro,
Speaker 1: I got college, I got Draft, And before you know it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to jump off the You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to jump off the pro side and jump into the
Speaker 1: into the grind, Bucky into the grind, the grime, grimey
Speaker 1: grinding draft time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I should be funny.
Speaker 1: H By the way, have you gone over? Have you
Speaker 1: gone over to England or or twice Germany?
Speaker 3: Or you have? I went to London back to back
Speaker 3: and let me tell you the International Pathway program that're
Speaker 3: buzzing on it. We'll see if somebody, if there's some
Speaker 3: guys that draw some interest. But yeah, I've already gone over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested. I want to go over and check out,
Speaker 1: check out that experience because it's I know, the pathway.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get bigger and bigger internationally every
Speaker 1: single year. I think it's gonna happen really quickly too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So all right, man, Lance, we appreciate it. Thank you
Speaker 3: guys for listening. That was mood to sticks. We'll talk
Speaker 3: to me next time
Speaker 1: Before