WEBVTT - Rookie QB Evaluations + Week 11 Preview 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:06.680 And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:08.639 What's up? Everyone? 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.000 Welcome to move the six. I'm Bucky Brooks. I'm here 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.960 with my man Lance Z stepping in for DJ. We're 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.920 gonna have a lot of good conversation because one thing 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.080 that I know is whenever h Town is on the pod, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.000 he's gonna put it down up Lance, what's. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:23.919 Going on, Buck? How are we doing? 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.560 Man? Were good? We kneed eep into this season. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.360 Lance, We're well week eleven. We're entering in the National 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.920 Football League season. That means that not only is the 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.760 NFL going on in earnest, we got some teams that. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.920 Are already looking ahead to the draft. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.600 We got the college football season nearing the end where 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.560 we get to money time, we got a college football 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.000 playoff and all that. That means that we are beginning 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:47.960 to look at some of these top prospects and that stuff. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.360 And we're not gonna talk about them top prospects in 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.040 the twenty twenty five class today. But look, I know 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.560 you're putting in a lot of work. I know you 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.880 got the drive working in overtime. How's it going for 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:58.440 you right now? 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.080 Oh? Good? I mean I'm like twenty two players down, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.400 so I got I only got about four hundred and 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:08.640 eighty to go. But it's, you know, as my the 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.920 way I do it. Everyone probably like I don't. I 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.120 don't want to start on quarterbacks until I've got all 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.559 their game tape. I don't. I don't want to develop 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.199 any bias. I want to I want all their game tape. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.759 But I got to start writing somebody. So right now, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.520 when Jim anybody that's injured, you know, the players who've 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.399 been injured that I think are gonna come out, I 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.600 wrote them up. When Senior Bowl invites are coming out 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.520 right now, you know, I just wrote the tackle from Yukon, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.720 Chase Lunt. I wrote a kicker from Florida State, a 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.040 punter from Alabama. I'm in the middle of. So like you, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.800 you get a Senior Bowl invite, I'm I'm getting after 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.360 it because I got to have you written up anyway. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.160 So unless you're a team that's gonna be going deep, 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.920 and I know you've got some other you got more 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.440 big games ahead of you. And now is about the 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.200 time if I have enough tape that I can start 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.000 writing these guys up. But I don't know about you 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.720 from a process standpoint, I want to see you against 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.880 Tennessee's defense again, typically Georgia's defense, maybe not as much 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.880 this year Alabama, Like there's certain trial horses. I want 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.799 to see you against Ohio State, against Oregon. I want 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.399 to see you against certain types of teams offensively or defensively, 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.040 because they're going to have some pro prospects on them 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.520 and you're going to be playing against pros. So why 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.760 do I care what you're doing against Rutgers when I 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.519 can watch you against Oregon? You know what I mean? 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.200 You know, I mean I think there's something too watching 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.360 best on best, like being able to look at a 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.400 prospect schedule and say, you know what, I don't need 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.120 to watch them in order because a lot of people 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.160 have watched the last four games and those things. I'm 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.320 looking for the matchups. Who are the teams that are 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.000 load with pros. I want to see how. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.280 You perform versus those teams. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.200 And I didn't tip you off before this, but I'm 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.000 just so curious your take on You remember years ago 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.040 when the Detroit lines were horrible, and you remember when 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.840 they were drafting people and everyone was like, why would 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.040 you take Campbell in the first round and why would 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:56.800 you take dis. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.480 Player and that player? Lance? 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.440 Have we learned anything from watching the Detroit Lions absolutely 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.960 beat people to sleep with the rosters that suddenly looks 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.080 like one of the best rosters in football? Are there 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.840 some lessons that we can learn from that? At scouts, man, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.960 I think you just answer your own question. It's about, 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:14.639 you know, if you build bully. If you want to 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.520 build a bully, then you got to go get bullies. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.080 And it takes bullies to make bullies. And that's you know, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.919 Dan Campbell's that guy. I love what Brad Holmes has done. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.440 I think Brad Holmes has done an outstanding job of 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.519 understanding what their philosophy is for like what a lion 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.000 looks like. And I think that's because he takes into 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.120 account Aaron Glenn on the defensive side, he takes into 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.120 account Ben Johnson, you know, the two coordinators. He takes 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.960 into account the head coach ultimately about who is a lion? 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.760 You know what a lion has looked like. You know 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.760 you mentioned Taylor Decker that was the first round pick 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.200 back in sixteen. I thought, Eh, he's all right. Then 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.040 they go Graham Glasgow in the same draft these two guys. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.560 Here we are eight years later, starting left tackles, starting 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.800 left guard Frank Ragnow first round pick, and center and 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.720 been there for six years, starting center. They ring over Zeitdler, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.640 a right guard, the right tackle Pine Sewell, first rounder. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.440 If you're running the math on that, that's three first rounders, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.520 a third rounder, and a solid free agent. And we 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.880 haven't even you know, we haven't even gotten to the 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.040 fact that they continue to draft behind it. Did an 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.200 incredible job with Sam Laporta in the second round, and 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.080 then Jamiir Gibbs, who everyone you know, I think that's 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.040 where you trust a guy like Ben Johnson, and Ben 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.599 Johnson tells you, I know it's gonna not be popular, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.840 but we want to go get a guy who can 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.880 become a matchup problem, a guy who gives us a number, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.479 you know, a slasher component as a running back, and 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.680 then we can line up and beat people out of 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.279 the backfield with them. And I think the Jamier Gibbs, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.920 you remember, Bucky, we were both doing it on draft day. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.039 It was not you know, typical draft thought is you 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.119 don't draft a running back in the first round unless 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.640 they're really special, and he's not a twenty five carry 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.800 a game guy or twenty game But man, has he 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.680 been special? And I think you know and I'm looking 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.159 up and down. I mean smart free agent moves like 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.760 Ali McNeil was really really smart. They got DJ Reader 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:08.240 like Alex Anzelone who's kind of a specialist in coverage. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.920 They've just been smart with how they built it. Man, 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.599 Brad Holmes is just on a great job. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.720 So it's funny, right because if you've ever been to Detroit, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.640 the one thing that you're gonna see really quickly when 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.120 you land in the airport is Detroit versus everybody. I 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.640 feel like I feel like that they took that and 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.640 they ran with it. They have this knack of like, 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.320 hey man, we don't care what you think about us. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.440 We don't care how you think about us building our team. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.440 We have a very specific criteria for who we're looking 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.080 for to surround our team. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.520 And you talked about it takes bullies to know bullies. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.600 When you have Dan Campbell on top of it, like 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.520 at the front of the room talking about how they 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.960 gonna beat people up and bite kneecaps and all that, 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.760 it's very clear in the parent who they have and 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.480 having this conversation earlier today, and we're talking about like 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.760 man Marvra Saint Brown is a dog, David Montgomery is 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:58.200 a dog. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:05:59.760 Penney Sewel is a dog. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.760 To me, I'm like, yeah, you just don't jaff those 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.839 guys by coincidence. It is something that they're specifically seeking 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.719 out to have a team that has that many guys 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:15.520 that have the alpha competitive, feisty personality that comes through 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:16.160 in their play. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.880 And you know, fan bases are so fickle, like you 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.760 really need to be looking at teams that build it 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.400 from the ground floor, and you should want your team 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.440 to do that. Like the idea you're just gonna add 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.560 Dame Lillard to the Bucks and everything's gonna be fine. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.200 I mean, it's not really how it works, you know. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.479 I Mean you can try. It sounds good in theory, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.520 but the but the Miami super team of Wade, Bosh 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.040 and James that doesn't come around much. And you can 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:41.600 try to just. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.600 Add guys ad guys, ad guys through through free agency 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.080 and through trades and stuff like that, but really growing 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.560 your own is always the best approach and knowing you 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.920 know and finding guys with great football character, great toughness. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.480 Terry and Arnold fits right into what Dan I mean, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.440 I was. I was a no brainer. That's got Aaron 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.839 Glenn and Dan Campbell written all over it, Terry and Arnold. 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.200 And so they draft lions, and they know what lions 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.120 look like, and you look at how they're built. That's 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.800 that's the way and a shrewd quarterback move. You look 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.480 at the state the cults are in right now versus 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.080 the state the lions are in there. But by the 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.640 grace of God, go I because you saw, you know, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.880 a golf was not golf was not a hot commodity 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.160 when he came over. He was not a hot commodity. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.360 He was a reclamation project. And they and they reclaimed 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.720 him and Ben Jonson deserves a lot of credit. They 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.800 put the pieces around him, and you know, he's coming 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.720 off a really bad game, but it's the first really 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.760 bad game we've seen in a long, long time for golf. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.840 Do you remember what your attitude was when Dan Campbell 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.480 when you first heard that he was because he wasn't 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.440 necessarily a hot name, but when he was first hired 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.600 and his first initial press. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.840 Conference, so the press conference was one thing right, it 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.120 took a life of his own. The aggressiveness to whatever. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.160 He didn't really talk x's and o's. He talks about 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.640 most mentality. But what drew me to Dan and why 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.960 I was hopeful that this would workout as Dan Campbell 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.080 that original staff is a bunch of former NFL players. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.240 And what I always can appreciate is like when you 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.840 keep it within the fraternity, because for so long you 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.680 have NFL types kind of dismissed players and what players 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.640 can do, because you know, the evaluators have seen the 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.440 players and have always felt like players were coddled. I 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.800 love the fact that Dan Campbell one took a non 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.760 traditional path to be the head coach. Not a quarterback, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.760 not an offensive coordinator, but a leader of men. And 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.880 that coin that phrases is overthrown out there. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:35.920 I want a leader of men. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:40.120 But like, really, he was not what some of us 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.520 say is the right of passage to be a head coach. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.400 He was a position guy who became the leader of 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.920 the team. He surrounded himself with guys that he wanted 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.920 in the locker room. So now you have not only 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.040 a bunch of former players, but you have a diverse 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.600 staff that can share real life experiences with their players. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.520 And so some of the edginess, that greediness, that toughness 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.520 is because does the coaches have walked that path that 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.720 they want you to walk, so you don't get the 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.640 quote unquote fake tough guy spiel from the coaches. The 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.280 other thing that I would say when Dan Campbell took over, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.479 I just love how he's always gone to bat. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:16.120 For his quarterback. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.480 No matter what people said about Jerry Goff, he has 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.360 always had his back. And what I would say is, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.320 as someone who is always a huge Jery Goff supporter, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.680 I think that the Lions were able to dig beneath 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.559 the surface and see that Jery Goff has the requisite 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.800 toughness to be in that locker room. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.120 We know different quarterbacks at different levels. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.680 Some people couldn't handle being surrounded by alphas like the 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:44.040 Lions have surrounded Jered Goff with. But obviously he got 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.360 a little bite to him if he can get them 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.719 to respond to his style and his leadership style and 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.800 those things, and so toughness is a key part of 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.280 every team being successful. But I think what Dan Campbell 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.319 has done in terms of elevating the toughness of the team. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.719 Need more toughness from the team, and even demanding more 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.679 toughness from his QB one. To me, it's a blueprint 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.199 that others should follow as they're trying to rebuild their squads. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.560 I just looked at the staff. You're right. I mean 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:16.960 Sean Dion Hamilton, De'shaye Townsend. You've got Mark Brunell. There's JT. Barrett, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.040 who was you know, obviously a great college. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.600 By but JT played in JT played in the league, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.760 like he spent time with the New Orleans Saints. Like 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.120 there are a bunch of guys, and they had even 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.600 more because I want to say Kevin Sheppard maybe there, yeah, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.120 he is. He played like so they have a bunch 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.199 of guys that remember when he first took over it 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.920 was with Duce Staley, he had Anthony Lynn, he had 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.800 He's always had a bunch of guys. Antoine Rendall l 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.520 is in the building. So they have former players. And 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.959 so you want to see that because you're hoping, hey man, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.240 maybe this to bring more opportunities in the same thing 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.640 that I've seen. You see it in ah Down with Demiko. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.000 Ryan's getting the opportunity. It's a head coach, not a 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.760 quarterback linebacker, but another the NFL guy we're seeing other 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.920 guys drop Mayo in New England an Tonio Pierce. So 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.280 to me is as a former player, you just like 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.040 seeing former players get opportunities. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.240 People are talking about qualification in those. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.640 Things, but I think in a league that is a 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.080 player driven, I do think sometimes players should drive it 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.160 as coaches as well. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.400 Yeah, And you know, look, I've got a dad who 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.280 was a coach his entire life, my entire life, and 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.160 he played some college ball, had separated shoulders, got into 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.040 just full time coaching, and so he didn't play at 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.719 the you know, the highest level, but coached coach at 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.400 a high level. Was a technical specialist on offensive line, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.200 really respected the business. But you know, there is something 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.679 to be said, and just my conversations with him over 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.920 the years, and I think maybe even more now than 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.480 it was before, there is something to be said with 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.679 you know, it's the first thing you have to do 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.840 on the pro level now is get guys to buy in, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.040 buy into you. And that's not just as a head coach. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.680 I mean that's is a receivers coach, an O line coach, 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.400 a linebackers coach. They got to buy into you. And 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.600 you know, the buy in sometimes can be easier. It's 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.199 an easier pathway potentially for a guy who's been through 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.520 it and who knows who knows what the dynamics are 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.400 inside of locker room, who knows what the dynamics are, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.440 you know, potentially with especially if they're younger coaches, which 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.280 more and more getting younger in the thirties and early forties, 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.600 it's maybe a little easier to uh, to assimilate into 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.920 into your your team in a way that's easier to relate. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.440 I say it with with Demiko Ryans, like Dimiko's very 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.320 relatable with the players, it's there's they don't take plays off. 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.200 With Demiko Ryans. They got a swarm mentality. That's what 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.959 Demiko preaches. H you know, they got some holes over 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.120 there that we can talk about right now. But I mean, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.320 you're on the pathway. It's a matter of tightening things 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.280 up right now. But yeah, when you it's hard to 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.160 get the right guy. I mean, we look at Chicago 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.760 and do Chicago have the right guy? Do they have 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.480 the right guy at quarterback? It's those those answers you're 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.400 not going to find them right now. But getting back 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.120 to the Lions just for a second, they faced Jacksonville. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.320 I like them to, you know, to bounce back and 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.319 have a better game, even though they beat the Texans, 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.480 to have a better game. But at the top of 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.680 the board, green base at Chicago. And let's talk about 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.320 Chicago for a second, because the worst thing that happens 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.360 to the Carolina Panthers is having CJ. Stroud become a 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.200 religion quarterback at number two. And here we are in 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.400 twenty twenty four, and we got Caleb Williams struggling a 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.240 little bit in the bear struggling. And here's I mean, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.280 Jadeen Daniels doesn't have a care in the world. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:32.319 Boot boot boot touchdown, field goals, touchdowns. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.800 They can't stop him. He's going down the field and 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.200 getting points every damn time. He's running for yards, he's 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.640 thrown for yards, he's getting wins. He's got a chance 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.320 to win the division. Man, that pressure, that Sam Bouie pressure. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.360 When the number two guy, the Kevin Durant pressure, When 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.200 the number two guy is better than Greg Odin, which 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.240 is Caleb Williams right now, it's it makes it hard 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.920 on an entire city, makes it hard on the staff. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.199 So before we talk to sifically about Chicago, I want 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.600 to talk about the players Kayleb Williams and Jayde Daniels. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.960 Going back looking at your reports, how close was that 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.160 evaluation between the two? 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.400 How close were the grades between Calebs and Jayden? 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.559 And they had a six seven seven three, So I 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.520 had him equal but on so in my heart though 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.959 I had Daniels as the better player, but that's off 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.600 of tape. I also have to take into account factor 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.840 his size being a little slender. Okay, but some of 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.240 my ears, like the Heights told me a little bit 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:28.760 with Caleb. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:29.560 Okay. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.720 So so now now that we're having a conversation, because 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.160 everyone is going to have revisionous history about this conversation, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:37.720 there was a lot of people, there was a lot 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:42.480 of outside noise where it was you couldn't dispute that 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.400 Caleb Wings was going to be number one overall because 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.120 for a year and a half, two years, we had 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:52.120 talked about how magical, how mystical he was as a quarterback. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.920 And there was conversation in Chicago when they got him 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.120 like how are they ever going to slow down this 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.160 offense with him as the trigger man? And and what 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.160 I think we're learning one when it comes to quarterback 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.400 man reps and experience matter because as much as we 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.800 can talk about Jaden Daniels, man look and see what 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.840 bo Nicks is starting to do with Sean Payton. Both 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.080 of those guys entered the league with significant experience as starters. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.760 People will put all of the failures for Kayler Williams 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:22.320 on the coaching staff. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.000 They didn't do this, They didn't do that. They should have. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.600 You know, they should run the ball more. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.000 They should do that, But at some point early on 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.600 your franchise, quarterback should flash and flash and pop. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:35.200 In a major way. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.640 Jayden Daniels isn't playing with a cast of all stars 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.200 in Washington and the same play caller that we're now 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.720 revering in Cliff Kingsbury. They ran out the building in Arizona. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.920 Colin Murray was upset with Cliff Kingsbury on the sideline, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.560 and we all saw that. Sometimes we have to make 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.480 sure we plug our ears and we just use our 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.600 eyes and we grade what we see on tape. If 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.480 we graded what we saw on tape on the final year, 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.280 Jade and Daniels out played Caleb Williams, wasn't. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.560 It wasn't really, it wasn't close, It wasn't close. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.640 Yeah, no, J James, that's not revision. It's either you 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.800 and I have had this conversation before last draft. I 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.680 said it on my notes that on tape Jayden Daniels 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.520 is the best player in twenty twenty four. The hype 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.640 of Kate, you know, it was weird. I got to 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.360 these players and I'm like, Okay, I can't wait to 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.640 see Caleb. This is going to be incredible. It's going 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.840 to be incredible. I'm hearing these generational Well. The first 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.960 thing was I watched Drake May first, and I'm like, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.680 Drake May's the for sure number two, Like sure about 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.920 this because I had already seen bo Nix and I'd 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.800 seen Jayde and Daniels. I'm like, both of these guys 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.920 are better than the Drake May. I mean on tape 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.400 for sure. But you know, I get the traits and 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.800 I respect all that stuff and his potential and ability. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.520 And then I get to Caleb, I'm like, wait a minute. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.480 Caleb Williams was not very accurate on the move at all. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.760 He struggled, He struggled with certain pressure looks. He was 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.640 not a guy who was consistently staying. He didn't work 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.800 on schedule at all, and while you can see him 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.800 flash with throws and things like that, you know, there 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.000 was a lot of projection you had to do with 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.080 k but you could see it on tape from Daniels. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.000 But the difference with Daniels is, Okay, he's kind of 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.159 a he's kind of a skinny guy, like, how's he 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.040 gonna hold up because he's also a runner who, by 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.640 the way, doesn't slide effectively at all. Took a lot 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.719 of big shots, but he was really good on tape. Caleb, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.040 you just kind of had to trust that those here 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.120 that the hero ball would go away and he'd stay 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.000 on because when he's on schedule, he's a good quarterback. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.879 But he's still going. He's still reverting right now his 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.080 hero ball stuff, and it's hard to get rid of. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.080 I think it's a and I don't think there's a 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.680 guarantee they get rid of it. I know Ben Roethlisberger, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.120 and my dad was there at Ben. It was tough 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.280 at Pittsburgh because Ben, you know, on offensive line coaches 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.720 and on offensive linemen, because you hold up, you hold up, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.200 you hold up, and if he's trying to make a play. 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.439 But you know, but that same issue that causes sacks 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.200 will also cause him they hit a big play, and 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.600 you know, I mean, I firmly believe my dad has 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.639 a Super Bowl ring because Ben Roethlisberger makes plays. I mean, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.040 that's the way it is. But you got to take 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.080 some But right now, Caleb Williams is not making enough place. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.600 So it's and he's a rookie and it's a problem. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.440 But at some point you gotta you know, what was 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:27.760 his name, Todd oh the offense coordinator at Pittsburgh, Oh, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.719 Todd Haley. Haley, Todd Haley. At some point Haley went 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.320 in and butted heads with Ben and he got Ben 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.119 to start getting rid of the ball. And it was 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.280 and it was and I think it helped Ben and 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.359 the Steelers enormously. And I think right now you're going 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.720 to have to find a quarterback coach, an offensive coordinator 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.639 or a head coach, one of those guys who Caleb 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:54.320 can buy into and remake himself and understand he has 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.359 to change his philosophy that I can take profits and 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.159 still be a great quarterback. Right now he's playing, he 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.679 wants to be a great quarterback instead of just making 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.440