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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everyone?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to move the six. I'm Bucky Brooks. I'm here

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Speaker 3: with my man Lance Z stepping in for DJ. We're

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Speaker 1: Going on, Buck? How are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Man? Were good? We kneed eep into this season.

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Speaker 3: Lance, We're well week eleven. We're entering in the National

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Speaker 3: Football League season. That means that not only is the

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Speaker 2: Are already looking ahead to the draft.

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Speaker 3: We got the college football season nearing the end where

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Speaker 3: we get to money time, we got a college football

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Speaker 3: And we're not gonna talk about them top prospects in

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Speaker 3: you right now?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Good? I mean I'm like twenty two players down,

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Speaker 1: But I got to start writing somebody. So right now,

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Speaker 1: from a process standpoint, I want to see you against

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean I think there's something too watching

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Speaker 3: We have a very specific criteria for who we're looking

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Speaker 3: We have one like those things where they're talking about

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Speaker 3: he's doing between the lines as a play.

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Speaker 1: It's troubling in two regards. Number One, it's troubling that

434
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Speaker 1: Caleb may not right now have the emotion and this

435
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Speaker 1: is just purely speculation. Maybe he doesn't have the emotional

436
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Speaker 1: maturity to get the veterans to buy in. But the

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Speaker 1: other just punny thing is that it's even coming out

438
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Speaker 1: of the building, you would hope, and that's kind of

439
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Speaker 1: how it is now. We don't really everything's not kept

440
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Speaker 1: in abiliting anymore because players have their own podcasts that

441
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Speaker 1: they can't wait to put stuff out there. It's crazy,

442
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Speaker 1: but you know, I think that's the other problem, Bucky,

443
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Speaker 1: is that man, I would try to rally the troops

444
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Speaker 1: and you know, and I wouldn't want that getting out

445
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Speaker 1: there because I want him to remain as confident as possible,

446
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Speaker 1: and so it's disappointing that he gets out of the

447
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Speaker 1: building is leaked. But you're right, Usually when that stuff

448
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Speaker 1: comes out, it's because somebody wants it out, somebody's disappointed,

449
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Speaker 1: somebody's upset, and there's a leak, and that's h and

450
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Speaker 1: that's what is going on here. They they could use

451
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Speaker 1: a win in the worst way against green Bay. Green

452
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Speaker 1: Bay needs a win this week. I mean green Bay

453
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Speaker 1: needs a win as well. But Chicago and Ryan Poles

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Speaker 1: and Matt Eberflus and the whole city and Caleb Williams

455
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Speaker 1: man that whole crew could use a win this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they have to get a win because

457
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Speaker 3: the look, the hopes were high, the expectations were through

458
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Speaker 3: the roof in terms of what the Bears were willing

459
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Speaker 3: to do, and moving on from justin Bilds, there was

460
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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, there's a lot of expectations

461
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Speaker 3: that were placed on Kayler Williams and maybe unfairly that

462
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Speaker 3: they expected him to be the savior. But yeah, it's

463
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Speaker 3: situation critical is already critical in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: You have Matt Eberflus, who's coaching.

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Speaker 1: For should should it be critical already I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: a fresh he's a rookie quarterback. Should we be taught?

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Speaker 2: I know it is.

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Speaker 1: It is because that's the way we make it. Now.

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Speaker 1: Is it really critical, like shouldn't Well?

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Speaker 2: I think yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the only reason it's critical is because, Okay,

472
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Speaker 3: so normally what you like to do is you like

473
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Speaker 3: to tie the quarterback and the head coach together. Like

474
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Speaker 3: what you don't want to have is head coach coach

475
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Speaker 3: four year fire him. Now the quarterback is on his

476
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Speaker 3: second coach and coordinator entering his second season, Whereas if

477
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Speaker 3: they were tied at the hip married, then they got

478
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Speaker 3: to figure it out collectively how they move forward. So

479
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Speaker 3: you don't know the finger pointing and the things that

480
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Speaker 3: are going on behind the scenes. I would just say this,

481
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Speaker 3: it is rare that a midseason offensive coordinator change works out.

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Speaker 2: You normally get an emotional joke like a week and

483
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Speaker 2: then it goes back to being what it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what Thomas Brown does with this offense,

485
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Speaker 3: if he can jump stut, if you can find a

486
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Speaker 3: way to get Kayler Williams playing, Because I watched Kayer

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Speaker 3: Williams in London when they knocked off the Jaguars, and

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Speaker 3: what I saw was a player who was trending up

489
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Speaker 3: in terms of being able to play on time. He

490
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Speaker 3: selectively utilized his athleticism and improvisational playmaking skills to make plays,

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Speaker 3: but he appeared to have a good grasp on it.

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Speaker 3: And I'll just say this week, this league is a

493
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Speaker 3: week to week league, and it's amazing how quickly the

494
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Speaker 3: wins will change, and.

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Speaker 2: Just kind of put things there. We'll be back right

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Speaker 2: after this break.

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Speaker 3: Last thing, because we kind of jumped into this rookie

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Speaker 3: quarterback conversation bow Knicks. Are you surprised as some of

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Speaker 3: the success that bow Knicks has happened with Seam Paygne?

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Speaker 1: No, not really, but I also it is a weird thing.

501
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Speaker 1: Like I wanted to give him two grades. I wanted

502
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Speaker 1: to give him a sixty seven, which is really that's

503
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Speaker 1: what I initially had him at and people were freaking out,

504
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Speaker 1: But I thought, man, he looked really good on tape,

505
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Speaker 1: like he had poise, he threw with accuracy, he threw

506
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Speaker 1: with decent anticipation, like I liked him a lot on tape.

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Speaker 1: Then I didn't like him as much as the Senior

508
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Speaker 1: Bowl and one as good at the Senior Bowl. Then

509
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Speaker 1: I didn't really feel him at the Senior at the Combine,

510
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Speaker 1: and so I'm like, man, maybe I'm just getting too

511
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Speaker 1: hyped on him. But the reality was I loved him

512
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Speaker 1: in Denver with Peyton. I thought Sean Payton was a

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Speaker 1: very specific coach he could go to and play his

514
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Speaker 1: best football. And like, my grade would have been higher

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Speaker 1: for Sean Payton, but they didn't have a you may remember,

516
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Speaker 1: like what they didn't have a They had a first

517
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Speaker 1: round pick, but they didn't have a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: And I just thought, well, he's not going to draft

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Speaker 1: bow Knicks this high. So I don't see how Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton's going to be able to get his hands on

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Speaker 1: bon Nicks, Like he's not going to draft him in sigh.

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Speaker 1: And then when he did, I thought, Okay, bow Knicks,

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Speaker 1: I think could fail with a lot of with a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of different teams. He might have failed,

525
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Speaker 1: but I thought Sean Payton is the perfect guy to

526
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Speaker 1: bring him along in a quick hit offense, take advantage

527
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Speaker 1: of his accuracy, like that was the perfect offense for him.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not super surprised honestly about how he's playing.

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Speaker 1: That's not really surprising me. And I think one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons because what you brought up earlier, Bucky five

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Speaker 1: years as a starter, and he's gone through tremendous adversity.

532
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Speaker 1: His time at Auburn was bad, Like the Auburn fans

533
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: were all over him. He didn't play great football. There

534
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Speaker 1: was a lot of adversity he had to overcome. He

535
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Speaker 1: had a year at a year at Oregon where he

536
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Speaker 1: was better, and then a really good final year. The

537
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Speaker 1: trajectories of him and Jayden Daniels are very similar in

538
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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. And so getting through adversity

539
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Speaker 1: and then having all those snaps under his belt and

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Speaker 1: then finding the perfect you know, I think offense and

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Speaker 1: head coach. I think that was like all of that

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Speaker 1: comes together to put bo Nicks in a position where

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Speaker 1: he can be successful right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one of the lessons that will learn

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Speaker 3: one looking at quarterbacks. I want to see quarterbacks that

546
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Speaker 3: have gone through some stuff and come out on the

547
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Speaker 3: other side. I think it's really important instead of beating

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Speaker 3: them up for their early career struggles, Let's see how

549
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: they were able to navigate through those struggles and come

550
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Speaker 3: out on the other side and perform better because it

551
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 3: appears that those guys who go through it early are

552
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Speaker 3: better prepared to play in the pros when they get

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, experienced matters.

555
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Speaker 3: We talk about fifty starts, going back to Bark Purty

556
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Speaker 3: with forty nine stars, and now you have Bo Necks

557
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: and jayde Daniels. There appears to be a direct correlation

558
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Speaker 3: between the amount of starts that you have as a

559
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Speaker 3: collegiate and the success that you can have early in

560
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Speaker 3: your career as a quarterback. The final thing is the

561
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: environment is everything. When we talk about rookie quarterbacks. It's

562
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Speaker 3: really important because we do this on path to the draft.

563
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Speaker 3: We talk about operating instructions like hey, take this player,

564
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Speaker 3: but if you take this player, you have to do X,

565
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Speaker 3: Y and Z.

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Speaker 2: Now more than ever, where the player.

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Speaker 3: Lands, who's coaching him, who's calling the plays, and who's

568
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Speaker 3: building the team around him. That might matter more than

569
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Speaker 3: the talent that he walks into the door with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dead on, I agree with all that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now we're talking about quarterbacks and guys that

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Speaker 3: have moved on. You remember way back when we had

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Speaker 3: to evaluate Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen and how crazy

574
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Speaker 3: it was for some of us to view them at

575
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Speaker 3: the top of the charts based on how they played

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Speaker 3: at collegiance. Well, guess what, Lance, It's time for Game

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Speaker 3: of the Week presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook. This week

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Speaker 3: it's the kN City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills. To

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Speaker 3: spread his minus two favorite the Bills.

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Speaker 2: The over under is.

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Speaker 3: Forty six, and those two quarterbacks, those two guys that

582
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Speaker 3: were outliers in their respective quarterback classes are now squaring off.

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Speaker 3: Let's preview this game, but let's talk about the game

584
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Speaker 3: through the lens of those two quarterbacks and how they've

585
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Speaker 3: developed in the league to become two of the best

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Speaker 3: players that we've seen at the position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Let's start right now, right off

588
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: the bat with you know, there's a similarity between the

589
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: two because there were both gunslingers in college. Both of

590
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Speaker 1: them had to carry the team on their backs, the

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00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: offense on their backs. It led to some tape where

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00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: they would take chances, Bucky and they would do some

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Speaker 1: things that you know, if it viewed through the lens

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum of a one decision, you say, that's

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Speaker 1: a bad decision by Josh Allen. That's a bad decision

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00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: by Pat Mahomes. But then when you get outside of

597
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Speaker 1: that and you say, what if Pat Mahomes doesn't have

598
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Speaker 1: to carry the load the whole time? What if he

599
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: didn't feel that pressure. What if Josh Allen has better

600
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: wide receivers that can actually create some separation for him?

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Speaker 1: Is it is his inaccuracy? Is Is it as big

602
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: a problem as it is? You know, historically the data

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00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: would show you it is. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: they were both great learning exercises for me because I

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00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: put too much on Pat Pat being a you know who.

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Speaker 1: He was a Texas tack. It wasn't a projection. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: he's Jay Cutler.

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Speaker 2: And at the time I.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have a problem with it because arm talent, gunsling mentality.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't about Jay's attitude.

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Speaker 3: I mean I wrote that it really was, you know,

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Speaker 3: he was kind of the best that ever was because

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Speaker 3: he hadn't really won significantly at Texas Tech, much like

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Speaker 3: Jay Cutler had won a lot at Vanderbilt, And so

615
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: you were pulled into the potential talent, the potential some

616
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Speaker 3: of the production, but you hadn't seen the wins come

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Speaker 3: with it. And so that's why that evaluation tricky and

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Speaker 3: I still have my notes on my phone from a

619
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Speaker 3: few NFL scouts.

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Speaker 2: We've never seen this work at the NFL level.

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Speaker 3: He's talented, he's a sandlot player, and we've never seen

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Speaker 3: sandlot ball work in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So it's a credit to him Pat Mahomes for being

624
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Speaker 2: able to, I.

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Speaker 3: Would say, find the boundaries within his game to allow

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Speaker 3: him to be successful. And it's also a credit to

627
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Speaker 3: Andy Reid for taking on someone who was a bit

628
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Speaker 3: of a projection but finding a way to maximize his

629
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Speaker 3: talent while allowing him to still be himself as a

630
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Speaker 3: gun sleeper.

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Speaker 1: But Jordan got his Pippin too, or or Isaiah got

632
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: is Joe Dumars or you know whatever combination Klay Thompson

633
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Speaker 1: and Steph Curry, Because because Travis Kelcey's ability to think

634
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Speaker 1: and improvise along you got one of the greatest improvisional

635
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Speaker 1: you know, impro improvising quarterbacks. Improvisational, there's the word improvisational

636
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks of all time. And you happen to have a

637
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Speaker 1: tight end who thinks just like him. I mean, if

638
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Speaker 1: you've ever watched anything where they've talked about it, they

639
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: literally will just travels will just break off a route

640
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Speaker 1: and run whatever. He don't carry just I'll just run whatever,

641
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Speaker 1: and Trav and uh and the quarterback will just kind

642
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Speaker 1: of read it with me. And that's why they're so

643
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Speaker 1: hard to guard. Why the question was always asked, why

644
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Speaker 1: can they not stop Travis kelce because Travis Kelcey the

645
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: routs he's running don't show up on tape like he's

646
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Speaker 1: just doing stuff. He's just doing stuff. And his quarterbacks

647
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Speaker 1: with that, I.

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Speaker 3: Never thought about that part when we talk about sandlot, Yeah,

649
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: his best wide receiver is a sandlot specialist. And now

650
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Speaker 3: you have two freelance players who somehow have mental teleoparthy

651
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Speaker 3: to know what each is doing, and none of us

652
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Speaker 3: on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Can figure out what they're going to do because they

654
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Speaker 2: don't even know when they break the heart r ye.

655
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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. But on the other side, the Buffalo Bills.

656
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Speaker 3: The Buffalo Bills have kind of done the Pat Mahomes thing,

657
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Speaker 3: where before they surrounded Josh Allen with a premier wide

658
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Speaker 3: receiver in Stefan Diggs, they had a number two receiver

659
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Speaker 3: in Gabe Davis. They removed both of those pieces, and

660
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Speaker 3: somehow the Buffalo Bills are better. Yes, they make a

661
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: trade for Marik Cooper, but he hasn't made a significant impact.

662
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Speaker 3: They have, I would say, benefited from addition by subtraction

663
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Speaker 3: because they're getting a better version of Josh Allen in

664
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Speaker 3: an offense that's more balanced and I would say more

665
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Speaker 3: of a committee or collective than what it used to

666
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Speaker 3: be when it was a hierarchy and you knew who's one,

667
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Speaker 3: who's three, etc.

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Speaker 1: It's been incredible to watch because I thought losing Digs

669
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Speaker 1: would hurt, but the reality is the Digs loss meant

670
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Speaker 1: more time for not just Sames Cook, but also Ray Davis,

671
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Speaker 1: who's been a fantastic rookie edition. They're in a third

672
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Speaker 1: or fourth round whatever it was. Running back out of Kentucky.

673
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Speaker 1: James Cook has been awesome and now I you know,

674
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Speaker 1: you get the sense that the interception numbers being so

675
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Speaker 1: far down for Josh Allen is really impressive. He's not

676
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Speaker 1: throwing stuff. You know, he and Lamar Jackson guys who

677
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Speaker 1: make mistakes in the red zone, they're not making mistakes

678
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Speaker 1: in the red zone this year. It's a different it's

679
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Speaker 1: a different league. It's a different game to both of them.

680
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Speaker 1: I think Josh is unencumbered by feeling like he has

681
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Speaker 1: to get the ball to digs. I think having a

682
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Speaker 1: running game has helped them the same way it helped

683
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff, the same way it's helping Justin Herbert. You

684
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Speaker 1: can run the ball, you take a little bit more

685
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Speaker 1: off the quarterback shoulders and you get more you know,

686
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Speaker 1: you get more efficient output. And that's what's happening with

687
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And you know, Khalil Shakir, look at

688
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Speaker 1: how Brandon Bean's done a great job too. Khalil Shakir

689
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: is just a guy who just get the ball in

690
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Speaker 1: his hands and good things happen. They've been able to

691
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Speaker 1: find quality play out of both tight ends, where Dawson

692
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Speaker 1: and Dalton Kincaid have both done a nice job of

693
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Speaker 1: catching passes here and there. I think Josh has learned

694
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Speaker 1: how to spread the ball around because when you're a

695
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Speaker 1: guy who only I saw this with Deshaun Watson in Houston,

696
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Speaker 1: when you had d hop when you only go to

697
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Speaker 1: one guy Matthew Stafford with Megatron, when they going to

698
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Speaker 1: one guy all the time, you're not really developing as

699
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. You're you're developing. I would even say Tom

700
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Speaker 1: Brady with uh, you know, with Rob Gronkowski to an

701
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Speaker 1: extent when he didn't have Gronk. Remember how Tom Brady's

702
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Speaker 1: production was way down, Like this great Tom Brady, he

703
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: wasn't the same guy without his blanket, his safety blanket.

704
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Speaker 1: So sometimes when you take a safety blanket away, it

705
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Speaker 1: forces quarterbacks to be more open minded about where they

706
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Speaker 1: want to go with the ball. And so a play

707
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Speaker 1: call that normally they know where they're going to go,

708
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Speaker 1: They're going to their guy. Now they're forced to like, well,

709
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Speaker 1: let's just see how it develops. Let's see. And I

710
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Speaker 1: think they learned the offense better that way, because it

711
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Speaker 1: seems like it with Josh Allen.

712
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the same thing to happen with Pat Mahomes.

713
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Speaker 3: You removed Tyreek Hell, he becomes a he went two

714
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Speaker 3: titles and becomes even better as they're on the verge

715
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Speaker 3: of a potential three peed. With Josh Allen, you remove

716
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Speaker 3: Stephan Diggs, who is his trusted confident in terms of

717
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Speaker 3: in those big moments, the ball was going to Stephan Diggs.

718
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Speaker 3: Now he is forced to utilize the entire look, the

719
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Speaker 3: entire group. He's also forced to exhaust every option of

720
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Speaker 3: the play, which is something that he wasn't doing before.

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Speaker 3: To me, this game comes down to defense. And when

722
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Speaker 3: you think about the two defenses, the Buffalo Bills are

723
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Speaker 3: a blue collar, workman like defense, not a lot of

724
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Speaker 3: star power. But man, collectively, they're kind of like Voltront

725
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Speaker 3: Like you put them all together. They kind of go

726
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Speaker 3: in the offense brin and do their thing. On the

727
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Speaker 3: other end, they can't see the Chiefs just find ways

728
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Speaker 3: to win because defensively, Chris Jones is a monster. He

729
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: brings some people with him. Try McDuffie can get it done,

730
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Speaker 3: lockdown on the outside.

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Speaker 2: Just a really good group. What do you think when

732
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Speaker 2: you see these two defenses take the field?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to find a defense, you

735
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Speaker 1: want to find an MVP for Kansas City. People say

736
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Speaker 1: Mahomes might be Steve Spagnuloh, he's doing an unbelievable job.

737
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: SPACs has been great. But I have a feeling that,

738
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Speaker 1: you know those Buffalo games, they like to run him

739
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Speaker 1: at twelve Eastern. I mean what one Eastern, twelve Central,

740
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: and ten Pacific. Well, they're going to have an extra

741
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Speaker 1: three hours and twenty five minutes to get liquored up.

742
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Speaker 1: So I think it's I think Bill's mafia is going

743
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: to be out of control. Like I like Buffalo here,

744
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Speaker 1: I think I think what you're going to see is

745
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of unfinished business. For It's Pat Mahomes always just

746
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Speaker 1: is a is a stick in the side of the

747
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. And I think this is that unfinished business

748
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Speaker 1: that I saw it in college this week, Ole miss

749
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Speaker 1: and Lane Kiffin taking out taking out Kirby Smart and

750
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Speaker 1: Georgia that unfinished business. They could never get over the hump,

751
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Speaker 1: and they got over the hump in college football last week.

752
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Speaker 1: I think Buffalo gets over the hump here as a

753
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Speaker 1: two point favorite against the Chiefs, and I like the

754
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Speaker 1: Bills here. And one of the reasons I like him

755
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: is because I think that James Cook can also keep

756
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Speaker 1: an eye on this. Both running backs, Cooking Davis be

757
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: factors out of the backfield. So even if they tighten

758
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: up the run game the Kansas City Chiefs defensively, I

759
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: think the fact that your running backs can get out

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Speaker 1: and match up on linebackers or something you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to take a look at in this game from a

762
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Speaker 1: schematic standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna go the other way because I think

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Speaker 3: the Cancaity Chiefs have mastered the art of winning. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna take them, even though the Bills are favorite. I'm

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Speaker 3: looking for the Cancity Chiefs to not only defend their crown,

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Speaker 3: but send a little message you're gonna have to deal

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Speaker 2: The crown is yours.

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Speaker 3: Now, if we finished the game of a week, let's

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Speaker 3: take a break and we'd be right back to wrap

775
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: up the show. All right, Lance, So we're we're nearing

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter of the pod. Give me something that

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Speaker 3: you've brought on, something that we should talk about before

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Speaker 3: we close this out.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the I think the growth of

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Speaker 1: I think we have two very different quarterbacks that in

781
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Speaker 1: different directions with Baltimore and Pittsburgh. You have Lamar Jackson

782
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: who continues to build. He had that one MVP year.

783
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Speaker 1: Then it was kind of dol Drums didn't throw as well,

784
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: was always hurt, couldn't finish the seasons. They came back

785
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: with a strong year and this is his best year

786
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: by far, Invall. I think he and Mounkin have been

787
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: incredible together. I think Lamar is getting better as a quarterback.

788
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Speaker 1: But for everything Lamar is doing, how about the fact

789
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: that we give a little shout out and a little

790
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: credit to Mike Tomlin, Mike t and Russell Wilson. It

791
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: was not a popular move when they went away from

792
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: from Justin Fields, but up to this point they continue

793
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: to win. With Russell Wilson, the offense has actually gotten better.

794
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Speaker 1: The old wiley veterans has done what he needs to

795
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: do and is keeping things on the track. And h

796
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Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin, who everyone wants to find a reason

797
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: to chase Mike off, like just because they're tired of

798
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Speaker 1: him being there for so long. Mike T's got that

799
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Speaker 1: Sea seem in a great space right now. And if

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Speaker 1: they beat the Ravens ming up this weekend at home

801
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Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, you know, going through kind of a

802
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Speaker 1: redemption tour. I think that'd be an incredible story because

803
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Speaker 1: the story is Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, but the

804
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Speaker 1: reality is Mike Tomlin and Russell Wilson, who've been around

805
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: a long time. They've seen a lot of wins and

806
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Speaker 1: it's and it's a team that Lamar sometimes he struggles

807
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: against the the the Steelers. So I think, I think

808
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Speaker 1: watching Russell Wilson, can he beat the most dynamic quarterback

809
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: in Pro football right now? That's that's a good storyline

810
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: to watch.

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Speaker 2: That is a great storyline to watch.

812
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Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny because everyone was so down

813
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: on the Pittsburgh Stals when they made the quarterback moves,

814
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: not only for Russell but for justin fields.

815
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Speaker 2: They're like, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.

816
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Speaker 3: But the Pittsburgh Steelers up here to have flipped that

817
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Speaker 3: narrative and said, no, no, no, we can win with

818
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: either guy. But Russell Wilson gives us what we need

819
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Speaker 3: to particilarly be a super Bowl contender in this game.

820
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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's experience and the fact, let's be honest, Baltimore

821
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Speaker 3: Ravens defense is not being great. So when you think

822
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Speaker 3: about running the football and being able to throw the

823
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Speaker 3: ball down the field to those big bodies on the outside,

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Speaker 3: George Pickens, Mike Williams, that could be a big factor

825
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Speaker 3: in this There's just something about the Pittsburgh Steelers being

826
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Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson's boogeyman. I'm going to

827
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Speaker 3: take the Steelers in this one. I think they found

828
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Speaker 3: a way to get it done.

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Speaker 1: I like it too, and I think we'll see if

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Speaker 1: we see bombs Away Russ again. You remember it, and

831
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Speaker 1: in Seattle he was bombs away. He was great throwing

832
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Speaker 1: the deep ball. This would be the game to do that.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, they're not great in a secondary and

834
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Speaker 1: if you you may need some explosive plays to beat

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Speaker 1: the Ravens offense. So I think keeping eye on the

836
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Speaker 1: on the deep ball game early on in that one

837
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Speaker 1: to see if the Pittsburgh Steelers can take advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: How about are you excited about? It's an interesting game.

839
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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons at Denver. You got bow Nicks. We

840
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Speaker 1: talked about a little bit more. But Kirk Kirk cole

841
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Speaker 1: bangs Kirk Cousins. I love Kirk talking about going into

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Speaker 1: trap and taking over the trap. Like damn, Atlanta's got

843
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Speaker 1: him it. Kirks for the streets. Now Kirk Cousins is

844
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Speaker 1: the streets have got Kirt. Yeah, and now he's he's

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Speaker 1: talking about going into Denver's trap and taking over Denver's tracks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see you're having.

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Speaker 3: You gotta be careful Lanta down because he's dealing with

848
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Speaker 3: a really good defense advantaced Joseph is going to bliss

849
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Speaker 3: him at every turn. And the thing about the Atlanta

850
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Speaker 3: Falcons offensively love the weapons on the outside, but they're

851
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Speaker 3: not necessarily a speed merchant group, you know what I'm saying.

852
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Speaker 3: So they have big bodies in those things. So when

853
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Speaker 3: think about the pressure that they can dial up, who

854
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: is going to win? Can Moody win consistently? To give

855
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: them the big play element, because the only way you

856
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: discourage people from blisten you gotta punish them with big plays.

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Speaker 2: And do they have the speed on the perimeter to

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Speaker 2: punish them.

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Speaker 3: Look, Bjon Robinson can ciderably hurt them as a runner,

860
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Speaker 3: but that's going to have to be a factored when

861
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Speaker 3: you deal with it. And then let's be honest when

862
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Speaker 3: it comes to the Atlanta Falcons. The Atlanta Falcons don't

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Speaker 3: have a pass rush. So if Sean Paygne is able

864
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: to run the football and set Boat Nicks up for

865
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: play action, he's going to have time to push the

866
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: ball down the field, maybe you can find Court and

867
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 3: maybe find some of their other emerging young players. To me,

868
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: this is a game where the Atlanta Factors have to

869
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: get this one. They gave one away last week. They

870
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: gotta come back strong into this. How they played this

871
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: week will let us know if this team is legit

872
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: or if they're frauds. I'm gonnaet I'm gonna take the

873
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: Falcons in this. Are the Chargers legit? And I asked

874
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: this for this reason. They're six and three.

875
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: Their wins come against the Titans, the Browns, the Saints,

876
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the Broncos. That's a good team. The Panthers and the Raiders.

877
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: Their losses, Steelers, Chiefs, and Cardinals all at their top

878
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: of the top of their divisions. Are the Chargers for real?

879
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: Will the Cincinnati Bengals expose them?

880
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: No, they won't expose them.

881
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm all in on the Chargers kool aid Jim Harbart

882
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: being able to make it happen when it comes to

883
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: the toughness to physicality, even though they don't have stars.

884
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: I can't believe what he's getting out of Quinn Johnson,

885
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: like I can't believe that he is looking like a

886
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: significant playmaker. The fact that they have him and Lab

887
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: McConkie speaks volumes about how they run the football and

888
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: how good the quarterback is. It's gonna be interesting. The

889
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: Bengals are solid, but they just don't have enough. Like

890
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: defense isn't playing well enough. Offensively, it's a one man

891
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: show with Joe Burrow Jamar Chase. I just think collectively,

892
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: the Chargers and their culture and their toughness overwhelmed the Bengals.

893
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other thing is, you know, can the

894
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: Bengals handle a street fight like? They've never been a

895
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: team that just beats you up with their physicality. It's

896
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: always been a little bit too finesse for me. And

897
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: I think that one thing that Jim Harball is all

898
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: about physicality. He was at Michigan. He basically came in

899
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: and told you he was drafting offensive line. He basically

900
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: told us who he was picking. It was just a

901
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: matter of figuring out who the offensive lineman was, and

902
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: it was what you see is what you get. Like,

903
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball. We're gonna run the ball,

904
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna get good up front, We're gonna be physical.

905
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna play. And so I think

906
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: it's a great chance for Joe Burrow and that offense

907
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: to make a statement. But I think first and foremost

908
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: they have to be ready to strap it on and

909
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: and win in the trenches because hardball, and you know,

910
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: I know their strength coach Ben Herbert, who is just phenomenal,

911
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: but he's a typical strength coach. He's got that strength

912
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: coach energy, which you know exactly what I'm talking about,

913
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: Like they are. Both of those guys are perfect for

914
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: what the Rams want to do, I mean the Chargers

915
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: want to do. So I think that this this battle

916
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: of the Chargers I guess desire to impose their will

917
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: versus Joe Sisty and the and the white outs that

918
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: he's got over there. It's gonna be a it's gonna

919
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: be a fun matchup to see if we're flying around,

920
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: if we're if we're the ball's free flowing through the

921
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: air and big plays are being made, or if it's

922
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: the the ground and pound of the of the Chargers.

923
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it'd be interesting.

924
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: Any other games on this slate that you're bringing on,

925
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: give me one more game that's bruing on before we

926
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: close the pied out.

927
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Well, so this is a this is not a sexy game,

928
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it anyway, because it's the money

929
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: night game the Texans and the Cowboys. Usually that makes

930
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: Usually that makes all the difference in the world in

931
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: Houston when we're playing the Cowboys, Man, we want to

932
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys. I just feel sad for the Cowboys

933
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: right now, Like I'm kind of like, man, don't beat

934
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: them too bad, but because I feel bad for what's

935
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: going on in Dallas. But no, on a serious note,

936
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: Houston right now is they're a little disheveled. They're just

937
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: coming off of an embarrassing loss to the Lions.

938
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: C J.

939
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Stroud is not playing as well as he had in

940
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: the past. The protection has been up and down. Now

941
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is back for Dallas. But at the same time,

942
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know I've seen a more dysfunctional team. I mean,

943
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that All Star team that Philadelphia

944
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: tried to put together with Vic and Vince Young and

945
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: Nam DIASI won. They thought it was a super team

946
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: and it ended up being a super disappointment that year.

947
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: But the are worse because now you've got podcast guys,

948
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you got Jerry all the time on radio or whatever,

949
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: saying everything he's going to say, like, I don't know

950
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: the last time I've seen a team look this dysfunctional

951
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: and Dallas is a seven point underdog at home. They

952
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know who their quarterback is going to be, or

953
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: they do, but it doesn't matter. It could be Trey

954
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: Lancer or Cooper Rush both playing in this game. The

955
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: Texans got to get back on the right track. And

956
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: if they lose to the Cowboys, what does that say

957
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: about the Texans? For the Dallas Cowboys, I mean, are

958
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: they at any point going to actually step up and show,

959
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, show the I guess the I don't know,

960
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: the ego to turn it around, the pride to turn

961
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: it around. Because this is so bad watching him on

962
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: a weekly basis.

963
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so bad watching him.

964
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: And you know it's a team that overchieved last year

965
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: when they won twelve games. Mike McCarthy is catching the heat,

966
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: but this team is poorly constructed. They have one wide receiver,

967
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: CD Lamb. They don't have a marquee running back. The

968
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 3: offensive line is young, talented but young. Defensively, Michael Parsons

969
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: is everything, but what he is is volatile when it

970
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: comes to his leadership. Style or how many guys want

971
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: to follow behind him and they're not getting what they

972
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: need from the front to protect the back end. And

973
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: I love Trayvon Diggs. He's a turnover machine when it

974
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: comes to taking the ball away. But the team is flawed,

975
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like for the star that's

976
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: on the helmet, how many real stars do they have

977
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: when it comes to what they're putting on the field.

978
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: It's a team that we love to talk about, but look, man,

979
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: the hype doesn't match.

980
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: What the team really is. And so on Monday night

981
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about it.

982
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: But man, I expect h Town to put it down

983
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Cowboys, and it's always personal

984
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: when these two teams square off. So look, man, I

985
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: gotta thank my man Lance for coming in joined the podcast,

986
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: having great discussions.

987
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: I always appreciate you and Lance, we got to bring

988
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: you back.

989
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to it. Let's get it going, man,

990
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: it's time. It's November to my time. I got pro,

991
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: I got college, I got Draft, And before you know it,

992
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to jump off the You're gonna have

993
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: to jump off the pro side and jump into the

994
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: into the grind, Bucky into the grind, the grime, grimey

995
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: grinding draft time.

996
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I should be funny.

997
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: H By the way, have you gone over? Have you

998
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: gone over to England or or twice Germany?

999
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: Or you have? I went to London back to back

1000
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: and let me tell you the International Pathway program that're

1001
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: buzzing on it. We'll see if somebody, if there's some

1002
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: guys that draw some interest. But yeah, I've already gone over.

1003
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested. I want to go over and check out,

1004
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: check out that experience because it's I know, the pathway.

1005
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get bigger and bigger internationally every

1006
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: single year. I think it's gonna happen really quickly too. Yeah.

1007
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: So all right, man, Lance, we appreciate it. Thank you

1008
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: guys for listening. That was mood to sticks. We'll talk

1009
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: to me next time

1010
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: Before