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Speaker 5: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 5: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 5: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 5: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 5: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was
Speaker 5: looking for a little inspiration for this episode, and I
Speaker 5: decided to go to Google and look up what people
Speaker 5: are searching on Google about the afterlife. One of the
Speaker 5: most requested search terms is does science believe in the afterlife?
Speaker 5: So today I'll spend a few minutes talking about our
Speaker 5: fascination with science and why we so much want science
Speaker 5: to believe in the afterlife. Also, you'll hear from an
Speaker 5: author who's also a priest and hear his words about
Speaker 5: scientific evidence for the afterlife. Now, while I was on
Speaker 5: Google this may or may not make you laugh, I
Speaker 5: decided to search Shades of the Afterlife. It's very popular,
Speaker 5: I'm happy to know, heading up the charts on one
Speaker 5: of the most popular podcasts on the Afterlife. Then I
Speaker 5: typed in my own name and here's what's funny. Some
Speaker 5: of the searches were is sand Champlain married? Is Sandra
Speaker 5: Champlain single? Which I am single and I'm not married.
Speaker 5: But my most favorite one is is Sandra Champlain still alive? Yes,
Speaker 5: you better believe it. I'll probably still find a way
Speaker 5: to do Shades of the Afterlife from the other side. Now,
Speaker 5: let's talk about science. For us afterlife researchers, yourself included,
Speaker 5: we want scientific proof that there's an afterlife. In fact,
Speaker 5: many of the naysayers say, well, if science can't prove it,
Speaker 5: then it can't be real. Sometimes that little ego voice
Speaker 5: we have says the same thing. When science says something,
Speaker 5: there's credibility to it. But why as humans do we
Speaker 5: trust scientists so much that if they say something, well,
Speaker 5: it must be true. A definition I found about science
Speaker 5: is science is the process of building knowledge about the
Speaker 5: natural world through observation, experimentation, and analysis. The goal of
Speaker 5: science is to explain and understand the world around us.
Speaker 5: There are certainly plenty of scientists that believe in the afterlife,
Speaker 5: as there are plenty of doctors and other professionals. If
Speaker 5: you've listened long enough to this show, you've heard scientists speak,
Speaker 5: including those that have had near death experiences. Plenty of doctors, engineers, nurses, physicists.
Speaker 5: Even an engineer with a very scientific mind became a medium.
Speaker 5: So they're out there. But we want that tipping point
Speaker 5: that everybody believes in the afterlife, don't we. While I
Speaker 5: was on Google, I decided to search if there were
Speaker 5: some real things that science cannot prove. Because I know
Speaker 5: the afterlife to be real and afterlife communication, as do
Speaker 5: so many others who study near death experiences, deathbed visitations,
Speaker 5: terminal lucidity, verritical, near death experiences, electronic voice phenomena, instrumental
Speaker 5: trans communication, the whole world of mediums induced after death communication.
Speaker 5: There's tons of reasons to believe, So I thought, are
Speaker 5: there other things out there that are very real, yet
Speaker 5: science can't prove. This may interest you the next time
Speaker 5: somebody says the afterlife can't be real because science can't
Speaker 5: prove it. Here's a partial list of things science cannot
Speaker 5: prove that we know to be real. The first one
Speaker 5: is consciousness. That's the you listening right now, the one
Speaker 5: who walks in your shoes, that's self aware, who has
Speaker 5: thoughts and experiences and memories. Consciousness remains one of the
Speaker 5: most profound enigmas for scientists. Despite advances neuroscience, the exact
Speaker 5: mechanism that transforms our neural signals into our subjective experiences
Speaker 5: is completely unknown to science. The first principle of philosophy,
Speaker 5: published by Renee Descartes back in sixteen thirty seven, says,
Speaker 5: I think, therefore I am. Just because science cannot prove
Speaker 5: what makes you up or what makes me up doesn't
Speaker 5: mean we don't exist. That'd be crazy. Here's another one. Dreams.
Speaker 5: You and I know we dream at night, right But
Speaker 5: science cannot prove why we dream, what the functions of
Speaker 5: them are. They can speculate, but the whole world of
Speaker 5: dreams is not proven by science. If we dreamed at
Speaker 5: night exactly the things that happened during the daytime. Perhaps
Speaker 5: they'd have an explanation. But for our dreams to be
Speaker 5: very real, meeting people we've never met before, doing things
Speaker 5: we've never done before, that remains a complete mystery how
Speaker 5: our dream processes work. We've heard of dark matter and
Speaker 5: dark energy. Astrophysicists know it's real in the universe, but
Speaker 5: it remains a complete mystery. Here's another one science cannot
Speaker 5: prove is the placebo effect. You've heard of that right
Speaker 5: when someone takes a pill or a tablet for a symptom,
Speaker 5: yet someone else only takes a sugar pill a placebo pill,
Speaker 5: and both people heal. Science cannot figure out why that is.
Speaker 5: So there's other things that I won't try to explain today,
Speaker 5: like quantum entanglement and the origins of life. That obviously
Speaker 5: we're here, so it's happened we exist, science can't prove it. Interesting. Uh,
Speaker 5: here's a couple more animal migration. Animals migrate, birds migrate.
Speaker 5: We know that the lovely hummingbirds that come to visit
Speaker 5: my yard every year fly thousands of miles back to
Speaker 5: where they were born and can find my backyard, and
Speaker 5: in the late summer, they know exactly the route to
Speaker 5: take from my home in Rhode Island down to Central America,
Speaker 5: even if this is their very first time doing it.
Speaker 5: There's a reason it's called the magic of nature. It's
Speaker 5: very real. It's magnificent and miraculous, even if science can't
Speaker 5: explain it. Another mystery, just a cute one. Cats. Have
Speaker 5: you ever had a cat on your lap and they purr? Well,
Speaker 5: we know they do, We've experienced it, but science cannot
Speaker 5: prove why. So just because science cannot prove something does
Speaker 5: not mean it isn't real. My goal for this episode,
Speaker 5: by the way, is for all of us to just
Speaker 5: not care what science says or does not say about
Speaker 5: the afterlife. Yesterday I spoke with my good friend, doctor
Speaker 5: Mark Pittstick from soulproof dot com. He's done so much
Speaker 5: investigation into the reality of the afterlife. You've heard from
Speaker 5: him a few times on this show, working with great
Speaker 5: organizations like Helpingparents Heal dot org. And he reminded me
Speaker 5: that there are plenty of organizations of scientific minds that
Speaker 5: are working on afterlife investigation and communication. Organizations like IONS,
Speaker 5: the International Association for Near Death Studies IONS, the Institute
Speaker 5: of Noetic Sciences, the Windbridge Institute, the Bigelow Institute for
Speaker 5: Consciousness Studies. Doctor Pittstick works very closely and has written
Speaker 5: books with doctor Gary Schwartz, and they're co founders of
Speaker 5: the soulfoone Foundation. Yesterday I started reading a book by
Speaker 5: doctor Schwartz called The Sacred Promise. How science is discovering
Speaker 5: spirits collaboration with us in our daily lives.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: Doctor Schwartz is not just any ordinary scientist. Here's his bio.
Speaker 5: Gary E. Schwartz is a professor of psychology, medicine, neurology,
Speaker 5: psychiatry and surgery at the University of Arizona and director
Speaker 5: of the Laboratory for Advances in Consciousness and Health. He
Speaker 5: has published more than five hundred scientific papers, including six
Speaker 5: papers in the Journal of Science. He's authored the books
Speaker 5: The Afterlife Experiments, The Sacred Promise, and others. In fact,
Speaker 5: the description for the book I'm reading The Sacred Promise says,
Speaker 5: it offers scientific proof of Spirit's existence, be it the deceased,
Speaker 5: angels or Spirit guides and shows Spirit's willingness and promise
Speaker 5: to offer guidance and help with the challenges of day
Speaker 5: to day living. Sacred Promise shows how we can attune
Speaker 5: ourselves and receive this guidance from spirit, which is all
Speaker 5: scientifically documented by doctor Schwartz's experiments and research. See why
Speaker 5: I'm reading it? Sounds good, doesn't it. In the world
Speaker 5: of near death experiences, it was just a few months
Speaker 5: back that science came out with a statement that near
Speaker 5: death experiences are not part of a dying brain, because
Speaker 5: it has been proven that consciousness does survive after the
Speaker 5: body has flatlined and is clinically dead. These are the
Speaker 5: people that can float above their body, float into another room,
Speaker 5: float above a hospital, giving eyewitness account of actual things
Speaker 5: that are happening. So science is aligned with the afterlife,
Speaker 5: but just not enough of scientists to have that tipping
Speaker 5: point occur. One of my favorite quotes from German philosopher
Speaker 5: Arthur Schopenhauer says, all truth passes through three stages. First,
Speaker 5: it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third, it
Speaker 5: is accepted as being self evident. The best example I
Speaker 5: have of this is the airplane. Wilbert and Orville write
Speaker 5: two bicycle mechanics took that first twelve second flight in
Speaker 5: an airplane. They were laughed at. People actually made a
Speaker 5: mockery out of them, and look where we are, well
Speaker 5: over one hundred years later, we all accept airplanes like
Speaker 5: they've always been part of our lives. Doctor Schwartz says,
Speaker 5: Let's imagine that there exists a sacred and infinite intelligence
Speaker 5: that we can come to increasingly know and live in
Speaker 5: harmony with its great unfoldment. And let's imagine that expanded science,
Speaker 5: created and employed by the human mind, has the capacity
Speaker 5: to reveal all this and more. And Nikola Tesla said,
Speaker 5: the day science begins to study non physical phenomena, it
Speaker 5: will make more progress in one decade than in all
Speaker 5: of the previous centuries of its existence. We're going to
Speaker 5: head off to the break now, and when we come back,
Speaker 5: you'll hear from father Robert Spitzer. And here his presentation,
Speaker 5: is there evidence of life after death validated by science.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
Speaker 5: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 5: podcast network.
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 5: and we're talking about science and the afterlife. Now some
Speaker 5: words from an incredible man. Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in
Speaker 5: nineteen fifty two, father Robert J. Spitzer. He is a
Speaker 5: Catholic priest in the Jesuit Order and is currently the
Speaker 5: president of the Magis Center of Reason and Faith and
Speaker 5: the Spitzer Center. He has taught courses on faith and reason, metaphysics,
Speaker 5: Philosophy of God, and philosophy of science to graduate and
Speaker 5: undergraduate students at Georgetown University, Gonzaga University, Seattle University, and
Speaker 5: Saint Louis University. He has written several books, including Science
Speaker 5: at the Doorstep to God, Science, Reason and Faith, Finding
Speaker 5: True Happiness, and more. And he has produced two television
Speaker 5: series and received a grant for teaching physics and metaphysics.
Speaker 5: He has made multiple media appearances, including Larry King Live,
Speaker 5: debating Stephen Hawking and Deepak Chobra on God and modern physics.
Speaker 5: Let's listen to what he has to say.
Speaker 4: We'll be talking today about what's called the scientific evidence
Speaker 4: for life after death and a trans physical soul. This
Speaker 4: would be coming from peer reviewed medical journals of near
Speaker 4: death experiences, terminal lucidity and intelligence, and hydrocephalic patients. I'm
Speaker 4: going to concentrate on evidence from good longitudinal studies of
Speaker 4: near death experiences that have been done by hospitals over
Speaker 4: at least an eleven year period, at least several hundred
Speaker 4: to several thousand patients per study, and are published in
Speaker 4: peer reviewed medical journals that really do look at the
Speaker 4: methodology and the safeguards and the responses. The first study
Speaker 4: is done by the New York Academy of Sciences in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two in that journal essentially the New York Academy,
Speaker 4: and this would be doctor Parnia and his twenty seven
Speaker 4: colleagues who are in scientists of various disciplines. Those individuals
Speaker 4: agreed in a consensus statement about near death experience that
Speaker 4: concludes to the very credible possibility of your consciousness surviving
Speaker 4: bodily death, and the outline a series of features that
Speaker 4: are likely to be part of that, including being around
Speaker 4: in this world for a while. Either in close proximity
Speaker 4: to the body or even remote from the body, say
Speaker 4: outside the hospital or outside the waiting room, or something
Speaker 4: of that nature. And also a part two where there
Speaker 4: is a journey to another worldly domain where deceased relatives
Speaker 4: and friends are met, etc. The New York Academy of
Speaker 4: Sciences really has taken a look at multiple different peer
Speaker 4: reviewed medical studies of near death experiences and has ascertained
Speaker 4: the very credible possibility of consciousness surviving bodily death. But
Speaker 4: the second area is a study that was done at
Speaker 4: the University of South Hampton under the aegist of doctor
Speaker 4: Samuel Parnia. It's called the Aware Study, was published in
Speaker 4: the peer reviewed Journal of Resuscitation twenty and sixty patients
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen throughout England and some parts of Europe.
Speaker 4: A very good study. But the main thing again is
Speaker 4: it argues to the strong likelihood that consciousness can and
Speaker 4: does survive bodily death, and in sixty cases in the
Speaker 4: Aware study that was indisputably so from the data, et cetera.
Speaker 4: The third study that's excellent as well as doctor Pym
Speaker 4: von Lommel and his colleagues there in the Netherlands. It
Speaker 4: was a two thousand and one to two thousand and
Speaker 4: three study published in the number one medical journal there
Speaker 4: in Great Britain, the Lancet. And there are a variety
Speaker 4: of other special studies too that are really important. One
Speaker 4: of them is doctor Kenneth Ring's study of blind people
Speaker 4: who've had experiences of actually seeing for the first time
Speaker 4: when they were clinically dead flat EEG fixed and dilated pupils,
Speaker 4: no gag reflex, some just mere sputterings of nero in
Speaker 4: the lower brain and they're seeing absolutely acutely, and of
Speaker 4: course they don't have a single visual image in their
Speaker 4: physical brain. It's a very important and persuasive study. Eighty
Speaker 4: one percent of those blind people, most of whom we're
Speaker 4: blind from birth, see for the first time when they
Speaker 4: are clinically dead no electrical activity in the cerebral or
Speaker 4: frontal cortices. There are other studies. Doctor Janice Holden has
Speaker 4: done a study of vertical data thirty nine different studies.
Speaker 4: She's brought them together under the highest standards of accuracy
Speaker 4: one hundred percent accurate description of the events going on
Speaker 4: during the time of brain death clinical death. And she's
Speaker 4: done that to the point where she thinks that eighty
Speaker 4: one percent of these people reporting the data are reporting
Speaker 4: at one hundred percent accurately according to the strictest standards,
Speaker 4: which means there has to be consciousness and not just
Speaker 4: consciousness in some minimal sense. There has to be understanding.
Speaker 4: There has to be recollection. There has to be self
Speaker 4: consciousness because you're seeing yourself in a relationship to what's
Speaker 4: going on. There has to be memory, has to be
Speaker 4: acute recall, as well, of course as visual capacity and
Speaker 4: auditory capacity. So when you look at all of these
Speaker 4: studies that are out there, and then you combine it
Speaker 4: with the immense archives that have been completed by the
Speaker 4: University of Virginia's Medical School, the Department of Perceptual Studies there,
Speaker 4: especially doctor Emily Kelly and doctor Bruce Grayson, you can
Speaker 4: see pretty much that this is truly an amazing group
Speaker 4: of literature. And that's why the New York Academy of
Speaker 4: Sciences has really pronounced on what would have been considered
Speaker 4: even ten years ago to be a radical pronouncement that
Speaker 4: consciousness will be surviving bodily death. Let's take a look
Speaker 4: at some of the data here, some of the evidence
Speaker 4: that has been accumulated. First of all, we have vertical data.
Speaker 4: It has been verified by an independent researcher after the fact.
Speaker 4: So when you have EEG, you have no electrical activity
Speaker 4: in this cribl frontal cortices. If that's really happening, then
Speaker 4: no electricity. It's like turning off the light switch. Nothing's
Speaker 4: going to happen. There's not going to be any activity
Speaker 4: in those lobes, along with the visual and auditory courtices
Speaker 4: as well. So what happens then at this moment where
Speaker 4: there's EEG et cetera, a soul body kind of leaves
Speaker 4: the physical body. But the soul body can think and
Speaker 4: recall and remember, has vision, actually has sometimes three hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty degree all around vision, hearing, emotion, self consciousness,
Speaker 4: and is not subject to physical laws such as walls.
Speaker 4: You can pass right through a wall, processes and structures.
Speaker 4: You can go straight up to the roof if you want,
Speaker 4: and pass through all the ceilings in between. You're not
Speaker 4: subject to gravity, et cetera. In this kind of spiritual
Speaker 4: or soul body is what it's referred to as the
Speaker 4: main here is that when this occurs, people claim when
Speaker 4: they're at that state of flat eeg. Fixed dilated pupils,
Speaker 4: et cetera. And when that state occurs, they claim that
Speaker 4: they can actually see things that are near their body,
Speaker 4: for example, what's going on in the operating room, or
Speaker 4: they can see things that are in the waiting room
Speaker 4: next door, separated by a clear barrier, or even outside
Speaker 4: the hospital, and even more remote than outside the hospital.
Speaker 4: An independent researcher actually determines whether that happened or not
Speaker 4: according to separate standards that are obviously objective, and then
Speaker 4: can verify that consciousness was taking place at that place.
Speaker 4: I'll just give a few examples. In the operating room,
Speaker 4: I want to pivon Lommos, patients actually just said, well,
Speaker 4: miss so and so, we lost your dentures, And upon
Speaker 4: Lommos's patients said, no, you know it was my denture.
Speaker 4: The nurse with the red hair took the denture out
Speaker 4: of my mouth right before they put the paddles on me,
Speaker 4: and then she opened up a drawer underneath the machine
Speaker 4: that looked like XYZ threw the dentures in there. If
Speaker 4: you find the nerves with the red hair, and you
Speaker 4: find the machine that looks like XYZ, then open the drawer.
Speaker 4: You'll see and sure enough, there they are. So you
Speaker 4: get the point again, one girl, Maria, again, she leaves
Speaker 4: your body. This is remote from the operating room, right,
Speaker 4: so her soul body leaves her physical body. She goes
Speaker 4: zooming outside the hospital and she's hovering up on the
Speaker 4: third floor there looking back at the hospital from the
Speaker 4: vanish point of outside looking in. So to make a
Speaker 4: long story, shirt she says, I'm looking down there and
Speaker 4: I see this tennis shoe there with a worn left
Speaker 4: toe and a shoelace stuck underneath the heel. Just reported
Speaker 4: it to one of your researchers, and one of doctor
Speaker 4: Morris's researchers actually crawled out on the ledge and there
Speaker 4: was the tennis shoe with the Warren left toe and
Speaker 4: the shoelace underneath the heel, probably had been there for
Speaker 4: twenty two years from one of the construction workers. Nobody
Speaker 4: had ever seen it before, but Maria did. So you
Speaker 4: get the point. That's pretty clear that consciousness had to
Speaker 4: be taking place in order for her to identify this.
Speaker 4: And we have literally thousands of cases now, a verified
Speaker 4: data of people who are actually one hundred percent accurate
Speaker 4: in their reports of what's going on. When they're nearly
Speaker 4: brained dead, there are what's called state of clinical death. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's just take a look at a second major factor here.
Speaker 4: As I said, eighty one percent of blind people, most
Speaker 4: of whom were blind from birth, see for the first
Speaker 4: time when they are clinically dead flight eeg. Fixed not
Speaker 4: only to pupils, et cetera. Remember, he has or she
Speaker 4: has no visual images in their physical brain, so it
Speaker 4: would be impossible to loosen the a visual image because
Speaker 4: there aren't any visual images. It's a very different kind
Speaker 4: of imagination in a blind person, certainly not colorful and
Speaker 4: so forth. So the idea then is that these blind people,
Speaker 4: I'll give you the example of Bradley Burrows, a sixteen
Speaker 4: year old boy blind from birth. During his heart attack,
Speaker 4: he basically goes zooming through hospital walls and he goes
Speaker 4: right up to the top of the hospital and as
Speaker 4: he zooms up there, he's looking at a scene of
Speaker 4: snow out on the ground there, and he knew it
Speaker 4: was snowing. But when he had his heart attack, of
Speaker 4: course he was able to see for the first time
Speaker 4: what snow looked like. But then as he's out there
Speaker 4: by the wall of the hospital, he sees a tram
Speaker 4: passing by with a big, huge sign on the back
Speaker 4: of it with an arrow pointing to the right. The
Speaker 4: train is going slowly down this track and finally turns
Speaker 4: into a grove of trees off to the right. Now, trams,
Speaker 4: just like trains, they have schedules down to the second,
Speaker 4: and of course Bradley's heart attack and then clinical death
Speaker 4: with the flat EEG can be timed down to the
Speaker 4: second and right down to the coincidence of those seconds.
Speaker 4: Literally what Bradley described in his image of the train,
Speaker 4: the tram going down the tracks and going into the trees,
Speaker 4: exactly what happened right at that time next to the
Speaker 4: hospital as he was describing. So again, hundreds of these
Speaker 4: cases of blind people seeing for the first time reporting
Speaker 4: one hundred percent accurately. They don't even have a chance
Speaker 4: of having a visual image in their brains because they've
Speaker 4: never seen anything before.
Speaker 5: Time for a quick break, and we'll be right back
Speaker 5: with Father Spitzer and scientific evidence for life after death.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
Speaker 5: and you're listening to Father Robert Spitzer's evidence of the afterlife.
Speaker 5: He was just talking about blind people seeing for the
Speaker 5: very first time in a near death experience.
Speaker 4: Hundreds of these cases of blind people seeing for the
Speaker 4: first time reporting one hundred percent accurately. They don't even
Speaker 4: have a chance of any a visual image and the
Speaker 4: brains because they've never seen anything before. All I can
Speaker 4: tell you is the physicalist explanations simply do not or
Speaker 4: let's just take a look at some other quick evidence.
Speaker 4: If you attach a modified polygraph to people after they've
Speaker 4: had a near death experience, you can actually measure the
Speaker 4: absence of death anxiety. So, in other words, all of
Speaker 4: us have a subconscious death anxiety. I show you some
Speaker 4: pictures of sharks of big teeth, or some daggers or
Speaker 4: blood flowing off of it, or a skullen crossbones or
Speaker 4: something else. You probably say Okay, death is death, but
Speaker 4: there's an afterlift, there's a resurrection with Christ I'm doing okay,
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't bug you consciously, but subconsciously where you
Speaker 4: can't control your emotions or you have instinctual drives. When
Speaker 4: you see all of this data that is very death
Speaker 4: provoking or fear provoking, blood provoking, danger provoking, all of
Speaker 4: these things you react to with a modified polygraph. Right,
Speaker 4: You're going to have a little bit of emotional discharge
Speaker 4: there which is easily monitored. Well, get this.
Speaker 5: You take a kid who has.
Speaker 4: A near death experience, and a lot of children have
Speaker 4: near death experiences, but the main thing is the child
Speaker 4: who has a near death experience says, oh I love
Speaker 4: my body, I went to another world, etc. That child
Speaker 4: comes back and you put that modified polygraph on. You
Speaker 4: show them any danger image, any bloody image, any shark image,
Speaker 4: any skulling, nothing, no death anxiety. Forty years out, you
Speaker 4: can test them again when they're forty years old. They've
Speaker 4: lost their subconscious death anxiety over which they have no control.
Speaker 4: This is bizarre, but it happens during near death experiences
Speaker 4: and no other time, and it lasts throughout the rest
Speaker 4: of your life forty fifty years down the pike. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's also take a look at just two other features
Speaker 4: that are good evidence during a near death experience, as
Speaker 4: there are oftentimes two phases, right, So the first phase,
Speaker 4: you're here on this earth, you're looking around what's going
Speaker 4: on in the operating room, or like Bradley Burrows, you're
Speaker 4: outside the hospital, or like Maria, you're outside the hospital
Speaker 4: looking at the hospital from the outside, looking in, or
Speaker 4: you might be in the waiting room. By the way,
Speaker 4: never say anything bad about anybody in the waiting room
Speaker 4: who's died, because they can go right through those waiting
Speaker 4: room doors and hear everything you're saying. And I might
Speaker 4: point out this has happened in dozens and dozens of
Speaker 4: cases where people in I went right through the walls
Speaker 4: into the waiting room and guess what I heard you saying.
Speaker 4: So be nice. The main thing to look at, though,
Speaker 4: is there's a second phase to a near death experience.
Speaker 4: The second phase goes into an other worldly domain. You
Speaker 4: are often met by deceased family members, mostly family members,
Speaker 4: five percent of the time by friends, but most of
Speaker 4: the time deceased family members. Sixty five percent of those
Speaker 4: going to the heavenly domain, do have an experience of
Speaker 4: family members? Fifty percent have the experience of a loving
Speaker 4: white light that they identify as either God or Christ.
Speaker 4: Eighteen percent have a visible experience of Christ who looks
Speaker 4: like a human being. That's eighteen percent of adults. A
Speaker 4: lot more children have experiences of a very visible, human
Speaker 4: figured Christ. A lot of people identify Christ though in
Speaker 4: this loving white life. Well, let's get down to the relatives.
Speaker 4: That's the thing that makes for good evidence here when
Speaker 4: this is really doable with children. So the child might
Speaker 4: come and say, well, you know, Granddaddy met me when
Speaker 4: I was in heaven. And of course the parents will
Speaker 4: or the researchers will say, well, granddaddy he died twenty
Speaker 4: years before you were born. How do you know it
Speaker 4: was granddaddy?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Because he told me, okay, well what did grandaddy look like?
Speaker 4: And they put out a photo array of twenty different photos.
Speaker 4: And now if they put the photograph of granddaddy when
Speaker 4: he was eighty when he died, maybe the child will go,
Speaker 4: I don't know that person. But when people are in
Speaker 4: their soul bodies, when they're in that spiritual state, they
Speaker 4: revert back to what they looked like when they were
Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty years old, So almost one hundred
Speaker 4: percent of the time. If you put Granddaddy into the
Speaker 4: photo array in his uniform during World War two or something,
Speaker 4: and you mix it in with twenty other people, boom,
Speaker 4: the kid will say, even with the uniform on, that's Granddaddy.
Speaker 4: They recognize him right from the twenty five to thirty
Speaker 4: year old picture. Almost one hundred percent of the time
Speaker 4: dead on.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: There's a huge archive of all these things at the
Speaker 4: University of Virginia Medical School, Department of Perceptual Studies. And
Speaker 4: Granddaddy or Uncle Joe or whoever who died way before
Speaker 4: this child tells them certain things about their lives, certain
Speaker 4: things about themselves, certain things about their parents, which of
Speaker 4: course the parents have not disclosed to the child. The
Speaker 4: main thing, though, that's important again, is that you've got
Speaker 4: a lot of testimony here that people did go over
Speaker 4: to the other side. They did see somebody who identified
Speaker 4: themselves as Granting. They can pick that person right out
Speaker 4: of a photo array. It's absolutely amazing what they can do.
Speaker 4: And then when they pick them out, so it turns
Speaker 4: out that this is what they look like when they
Speaker 4: were twenty five to thirty years old. Okay, So there's
Speaker 4: so much evidence that the New York Academy of Sciences
Speaker 4: has declared the very credible possibility your consciousness is going
Speaker 4: to survive your bodly death. And I would not just
Speaker 4: call it consciousness. It's a soul body. You're not just
Speaker 4: a disembodied consciousness that survives your physical body's death. There
Speaker 4: is something akin to a soul body with self consciousness, memory, recall,
Speaker 4: and emotion and so forth. That's there. It's not attached
Speaker 4: to the physical body at all. But it's a soul body,
Speaker 4: and it looks like people look like when they were
Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty years old. And the kids can
Speaker 4: nail it almost every time with the picture of that person.
Speaker 4: All right, So that's the evidence. I think it's exceedingly strong.
Speaker 4: And you can see the various stages, right, there's a
Speaker 4: stage here in this world, stage in another world. The
Speaker 4: loving white light almost always identified as God or Christ. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's take a look at whether physicalist explanations will work
Speaker 4: or not. A physical is basically tries to say this
Speaker 4: is all explicable with some physical explanatory apparatus. So it's
Speaker 4: your brain that's hallucinating. It's your brain that's having dreamlets.
Speaker 4: It's your brain. When I stimulate the temporal lobes of
Speaker 4: the brain, it actually produces some lights or some images
Speaker 4: and so forth, and so on. The pridal lobe is
Speaker 4: actually good for stimulation of images and so forth. So
Speaker 4: that must be it. It's a physical explanation. There's really
Speaker 4: about five things that militate against all of these things.
Speaker 4: The first thing is, you'll never explain how eighty one
Speaker 4: percent of blind people, most of whom are blind from birth,
Speaker 4: could possibly hallucinate or get a stimulated visual image out
Speaker 4: of their physical brain. They don't have any You'll never
Speaker 4: explain blind people hallucinations out of the question. They don't
Speaker 4: have the visual imagination for hallucination dreamlets. They're not going
Speaker 4: to have any dreamlets that look like our visual images
Speaker 4: because they don't have any of their brains to stimulate
Speaker 4: when you stimulate the parietal et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4: So the key thought is blind people, all those hundreds
Speaker 4: of cases of people reporting one hundred percent accurate data
Speaker 4: can't be explained about I'd say eighty percent of the
Speaker 4: case is let's just Take Bradley Burrows. Forget about the
Speaker 4: fact that he's blown and lots of non blind people
Speaker 4: see things outside the hospital. Take Maria. You're just not
Speaker 4: going to be able to explain what Maria saw. How
Speaker 4: are you going to hallucinate one hundred percent accurately? What
Speaker 4: is taking place outside the hospital that nobody is aware
Speaker 4: of for twenty years and finally is seen by her
Speaker 4: for the first time and reported because it's called invisible
Speaker 4: shoe on a third floor ledge outside of a hospital.
Speaker 4: How are you going to do this that kind of data,
Speaker 4: No matter how much you believe in coincidence, The odds
Speaker 4: of Linda being able to do this is like trying
Speaker 4: to describe to tap with random tapping of the keys
Speaker 4: a Shakespeare soliloquy by random typing of the keys in
Speaker 4: a single try.
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen.
Speaker 4: So the idea of describing perfectly unknown data one hundred
Speaker 4: percent accurately, Again, there's not anywhere near the body. It's
Speaker 4: outside the hospital very difficult to explain. The third thing
Speaker 4: is near Deathics experiences are almost one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 4: Hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate on every level. Dreamlets are inaccurate
Speaker 4: right stimulation, parietal low temporal anoxia. Okay, you got some lights,
Speaker 4: there's no accuracy to it, right, It wasn't a light light,
Speaker 4: so that doesn't give you an accurate image to describe.
Speaker 4: So again, hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate, very weird as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact. More as near death experiences are one
Speaker 4: hundred percent accurate and near death experiences there's no electrical
Speaker 4: activity in the brain. Remember flat EEG, fixed and dilated pupils.
Speaker 4: No GAG reflects just a few sputterings, neurons and lower brain,
Speaker 4: so you have no electrical activity in the higher functions
Speaker 4: of the brain. Well, in order to hallucinate anything, every
Speaker 4: physicalist explanation must have electrical activity in the brain, because
Speaker 4: the physical brain is producing the so called llucination. If
Speaker 4: you don't have any electrical activity in every you can
Speaker 4: stimulate your paridal lobe all day long, you aren't going
Speaker 4: to get a vision because there's no electrical activity. Same
Speaker 4: thing with dreamless, same thing with physicalist explanations. In all
Speaker 4: last thing, the fifth thing where you have a real
Speaker 4: difference between NDEs and physicallest explanations. The NDEs, let's face facts,
Speaker 4: NDEs are peaceful when people have their heavenly experience about
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the time and one hundred percent of
Speaker 4: the time in children. This is a very peaceful explanation. Hallucinations,
Speaker 4: dream lens and the stimulation of the parietal lobe. Absolutely the
Speaker 4: opposite produces very weird and almost sometimes antagonistic moods, very
Speaker 4: unpeaceful moods. And so, what can we conclude at the
Speaker 4: end about these physical explanations. What can we conclude about NDEs?
Speaker 4: I think we can conclude safely to what the New
Speaker 4: York Academy of Sciences has said, there is a very
Speaker 4: credible possibility that not just your consciousness but your soul
Speaker 4: body will survive the death of your physical body, that
Speaker 4: there will be a moment where you are aware of
Speaker 4: everything going on around your worldly surroundings. And maybe in
Speaker 4: the operating room, could be outside the operating room, in
Speaker 4: the waiting room, could be outside the hospital, could be
Speaker 4: remote from the hospital. But surely something is happening where
Speaker 4: you are cognizant of these things. And then there's a
Speaker 4: second part to the whole thing, which of course is
Speaker 4: moving to a heavenly domain. The deceased relatives and friends,
Speaker 4: as well as the very loving, exceedingly bright, very loving
Speaker 4: white light.
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Speaker 4: Okay, any other evidence for a trans physical soul besides
Speaker 4: what we've seen in the peer reviewed medical studies and
Speaker 4: near death experiences. There are two in particular that I
Speaker 4: just want to talk about today. The first one as
Speaker 4: called terminallycidity, a phenomenon that is pretty common now among
Speaker 4: people who work in the oncology area and certainly the
Speaker 4: researchers who deal with this at Harvard University and other places. Basically,
Speaker 4: the phenomenon may be described as follows, about one to
Speaker 4: two hours before someone dies. Here we're talking about a
Speaker 4: person who has been fundamentally challenged intellectually write down to
Speaker 4: almost an IQ less than twenty five I have almost
Speaker 4: zero capacity from their physical brain, not even able to
Speaker 4: make animal sounds, or not even able to swallow without
Speaker 4: devices to help them swallow. So they've been basically disabled intellectually.
Speaker 4: So seriously, the debilitation from serious dementia, serious Alzheimer's brain legions,
Speaker 4: genetic difficulties, and certainly brain trauma, and a variety of
Speaker 4: other things so debilitated that they can't possibly think with
Speaker 4: their physical brain, and they have not done so for
Speaker 4: five years. Now, Suddenly, after five years of never uttering
Speaker 4: a word, not even an animal sound, this person gets
Speaker 4: them and goes, hey, Bob, I'm about to die. This
Speaker 4: is one to two hours before death. I really need
Speaker 4: some help with my funeral. Would you say the mass
Speaker 4: for me? And by the way, could you throw these
Speaker 4: elements into the hombly there? Could you also call up
Speaker 4: these three people. I really want to reconcile with them
Speaker 4: before I die in a couple of hours. By the way,
Speaker 4: my will it's just incomplete. These doctors are looking at
Speaker 4: this person who's basically a vegetable. Suddenly, like you and me,
Speaker 4: they're saying all these things that would require reflective understanding,
Speaker 4: memory and consciousness. They're going, who are you? What's happened?
Speaker 4: And as Rudolph Tansey says, well, it's totally inexplicable. It's amazing,
Speaker 4: but it happens all the time. He's one of the
Speaker 4: main researchers over at Harvard University, and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of like I said, Bruce Grayson over at the University
Speaker 4: of Virginia Medical School in a variety of other researchers,
Speaker 4: Michael namm Over in Germany, et cetera, have been writing
Speaker 4: about this in some detail. The research now is very good,
Speaker 4: But how can you explain this? You can only explain
Speaker 4: it is if this soul body, which I've been trying
Speaker 4: to describe, it's like a spiritual body that just or
Speaker 4: leaves the physical body somehow one to two hours before death.
Speaker 4: What seems to happen is that this soul body begins
Speaker 4: to gradually detach from the physical body, and as it
Speaker 4: gradually detaches, it still has some connection with the central
Speaker 4: nervous system, obviously the vocal cords, obviously other parts of
Speaker 4: the lower brain, and it remains there in that state.
Speaker 4: But it's not the physical brain that's doing the thinking.
Speaker 4: It's your soul consciousness that's doing the thinking, remembering, reflective, understanding, etc.
Speaker 4: During that time, but it's still connected. The soul body
Speaker 4: is still connected with the physical body. That seems to
Speaker 4: be the only explanation for how they're able to do this.
Speaker 4: But what is doing the thinking, it's the same thing
Speaker 4: that leaves the body in the near death experience, that
Speaker 4: soul body with its consciousness, self consciousness, emotion, and memory intact.
Speaker 4: It is the one that is doing the thing. All right,
Speaker 4: Let's just go to one last thing. Intelligence and hydrocephalic
Speaker 4: patients is very important. There are several people who've been involved.
Speaker 4: The Larber and Lewin studies are particularly significant because Larber
Speaker 4: did six hundred scans of hydrocephalic patients and made some
Speaker 4: remarkable discoveries. I've better describe hydrocephalus for just a moment.
Speaker 4: Hydrocephalus is when spinal fluid begins to go up through
Speaker 4: the base of the ukranium and starts leaking into the
Speaker 4: cranial cavity there and it destroys the brain tissue, and
Speaker 4: spinal fluid replaces that brain tissue. If you don't stop
Speaker 4: it with a shunt or something of that nature, it's
Speaker 4: just going to keep on going until it gets to
Speaker 4: over ninety five percent of the brain is destroyed and
Speaker 4: replaced by spinal fluid. We would expect that someone who
Speaker 4: has less than five percent of their physical brain is
Speaker 4: not going to be doing much thinking. Their whole cerebral
Speaker 4: cortex and from all cortex are gone. I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: doing a lot of thinking. So this guy Laurber, of course,
Speaker 4: in Germany. He writes this study up that he has
Speaker 4: six hundred scans and he finds that thirty of those
Speaker 4: people who've been scanned it verified. They have less than
Speaker 4: five percent of their brain, ninety five percent of their
Speaker 4: cranyum is filled with spinal fluid. They have a global
Speaker 4: IQ over one hundred. How is this possible? In fact,
Speaker 4: laurber was so stunned he basically called his article, is
Speaker 4: your physical brain really necessary? And the answer is not really?
Speaker 4: And so this is the idea. Now. One of them
Speaker 4: that Lauriber loved to describe was a mathematics student that
Speaker 4: he knew. And this kid had a one twenty seven
Speaker 4: global IQ, but he had a verbal IQ of something
Speaker 4: like one forty five or one forty seven or something
Speaker 4: like that. Anyway, it was a very high verbal IQ.
Speaker 4: And he had less than one millimeter of brain between
Speaker 4: the ventricles in the cortical tissue, one millimeter of brain tissue,
Speaker 4: and he's got a genius level IQ. She has almost
Speaker 4: no brain and he's got a genius level IQ. Lawberd
Speaker 4: just said, that's it. All I can tell you is
Speaker 4: something else is doing the thinking. And that's right. The
Speaker 4: same soul body that we saw in terminlucidity the same
Speaker 4: soul body that leaves the physical body during the near
Speaker 4: death experience, for which we have excellent vertical data and
Speaker 4: excellent data from the blind people, etc. This's the same thing.
Speaker 4: My final comment to you is you are not simply
Speaker 4: a physical body. No one after the New York Academy
Speaker 4: of Sciences pronouncement, no one should be thinking that they
Speaker 4: are reducible to molecules and atoms. Yes, you've got a
Speaker 4: lot of molecules and atoms, and yes there are overlapping
Speaker 4: functions between what's going on in the soul consciousness and
Speaker 4: what's going on in the physical brain. Yes, they're overlapping
Speaker 4: memory functions and so forth. However, at the same time
Speaker 4: must tell you that the soul consciousness and the soul
Speaker 4: body are not dependent on the physical consciousness of the
Speaker 4: physical brain and of course the physical body. So at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, what I can clearly tell you,
Speaker 4: and what I believe to be reasonable and responsible based
Speaker 4: on scientific evidence, is that you do have a consciousness
Speaker 4: and a soul body that will survive bodily death. That
Speaker 4: the after life looks very much like Jesus Christ described it.
Speaker 4: If you have a heavenly experience. It is loving, and
Speaker 4: so I think it's reasonable and responsible to believe that
Speaker 4: you will have a life after death. The point of
Speaker 4: course is I think there's good scientific validation for it.
Speaker 4: I think you are a trans material being, that you
Speaker 4: have a trans physical soul, and for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 4: if you continue to investigate this more fully other kinds
Speaker 4: of things like the shroud of Turin, et cetera, well,
Speaker 4: I can assure you you will see similar correlations between
Speaker 4: not just science and God, but science and Christianity, the
Speaker 4: Christian life, the resurrection of Jesus, and even miraculous hosts
Speaker 4: that reveal living tissue growing out of a consecrated post,
Speaker 4: and the whole Euchrist. So it's out there. I have
Speaker 4: two books which I recommend to you, Science at the
Speaker 4: Doorstep to God published by Agnesious Press, that deals with
Speaker 4: the God, life after death, the near death, experienced studies,
Speaker 4: cosmological evidence for God, etc. And then there's another one
Speaker 4: called Christ Science and Reason that's got all the scientific
Speaker 4: evidence for Jesus, for the Shroud of Turin, eucharistic miracles,
Speaker 4: Marian miracles, particularly looking at the miracle of the Sun
Speaker 4: at Fatima, some of the absolute remarkable healings at Words,
Speaker 4: and of course the remarkable tilm of our Lady of
Speaker 4: God Lupe. I have a friend who basically he was
Speaker 4: crossing the street one day and somebody just said look
Speaker 4: out and yanked him back, and car came careening down
Speaker 4: the street and he looked back and there was no
Speaker 4: one there. I have a friend who literally went two
Speaker 4: lures to get a cure, and she had a terrible
Speaker 4: edema in her legs, swollen twice the size, and she
Speaker 4: had to wear her husband's shoes. Her feet were two
Speaker 4: to three times the size they once worked. So she
Speaker 4: goes to the lords. She gets the water poured on her,
Speaker 4: and she's coming out and nothing happened to her. So
Speaker 4: she stops outside for a second, and she pulls out
Speaker 4: her old pills to keep the edema managed and so forth.
Speaker 4: A person just says, hey, you're gonna believe or not believe,
Speaker 4: and she thinks to herself for a minute. She throws
Speaker 4: out the pills and starts walking, and the edema starts disappearing.
Speaker 4: Literally much show that she's flopping around in her husband's shoes.
Speaker 4: Over the course of two three minutes, well, thanks so
Speaker 4: very much for your kind attention. Keep looking at the
Speaker 4: science and keep looking at the faith, and you will
Speaker 4: find out why the vast majority of scientists are believers
Speaker 4: in God. Today, fifty one percent of scientists declare themselves
Speaker 4: believers in God or a higher transcendent power. Only twenty
Speaker 4: one percent are agnostic, twenty percent are atheist, eight percent
Speaker 4: don't want to respond. And then you have among young scientists,
Speaker 4: sixty six percent the supermajority claim to be believers in God,
Speaker 4: only fifteen percent agnostic, fifteen percent atheist. Seventy six percent
Speaker 4: of medical doctors are believers in God. Only twelve point
Speaker 4: five percent our agnostic, eleven point two percent are atheists.
Speaker 4: This is just a tip of the iceberg. Have fun
Speaker 4: because science and faith are very recomplimentary and mutually corroborative.
Speaker 5: Indeed, thank you, Father Robert Spitzer. This is not a
Speaker 5: show about religion. It's about the afterlife. But this man's
Speaker 5: done so much research and so much work, and I
Speaker 5: respect whatever religious beliefs, if you have them or not.
Speaker 5: It's my job to present the best evidence of the afterlife,
Speaker 5: and I love Father Spitzer's words. Please come visit me
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