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Speaker 2: Now get ready for another.

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Speaker 1: Episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 5: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 5: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 5: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 5: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so

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Speaker 5: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was

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Speaker 5: looking for a little inspiration for this episode, and I

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Speaker 5: decided to go to Google and look up what people

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Speaker 5: are searching on Google about the afterlife. One of the

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Speaker 5: most requested search terms is does science believe in the afterlife?

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Speaker 5: So today I'll spend a few minutes talking about our

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Speaker 5: fascination with science and why we so much want science

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Speaker 5: to believe in the afterlife. Also, you'll hear from an

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Speaker 5: author who's also a priest and hear his words about

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Speaker 5: scientific evidence for the afterlife. Now, while I was on

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Speaker 5: Google this may or may not make you laugh, I

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Speaker 5: decided to search Shades of the Afterlife. It's very popular,

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to know, heading up the charts on one

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Speaker 5: of the most popular podcasts on the Afterlife. Then I

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Speaker 5: typed in my own name and here's what's funny. Some

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Speaker 5: of the searches were is sand Champlain married? Is Sandra

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Speaker 5: Champlain single? Which I am single and I'm not married.

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Speaker 5: But my most favorite one is is Sandra Champlain still alive? Yes,

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Speaker 5: you better believe it. I'll probably still find a way

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Speaker 5: to do Shades of the Afterlife from the other side. Now,

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Speaker 5: let's talk about science. For us afterlife researchers, yourself included,

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Speaker 5: we want scientific proof that there's an afterlife. In fact,

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Speaker 5: many of the naysayers say, well, if science can't prove it,

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Speaker 5: then it can't be real. Sometimes that little ego voice

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Speaker 5: we have says the same thing. When science says something,

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Speaker 5: it must be true. A definition I found about science

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Speaker 5: is science is the process of building knowledge about the

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Speaker 5: natural world through observation, experimentation, and analysis. The goal of

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Speaker 5: science is to explain and understand the world around us.

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Speaker 5: There are certainly plenty of scientists that believe in the afterlife,

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Speaker 5: as there are plenty of doctors and other professionals. If

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Speaker 5: you've listened long enough to this show, you've heard scientists speak,

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Speaker 5: including those that have had near death experiences. Plenty of doctors, engineers, nurses, physicists.

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Speaker 5: Even an engineer with a very scientific mind became a medium.

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Speaker 5: So they're out there. But we want that tipping point

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Speaker 5: that everybody believes in the afterlife, don't we. While I

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Speaker 5: some real things that science cannot prove. Because I know

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Speaker 5: the afterlife to be real and afterlife communication, as do

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Speaker 5: so many others who study near death experiences, deathbed visitations,

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Speaker 5: terminal lucidity, verritical, near death experiences, electronic voice phenomena, instrumental

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Speaker 5: trans communication, the whole world of mediums induced after death communication.

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Speaker 5: There's tons of reasons to believe, So I thought, are

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Speaker 5: there other things out there that are very real, yet

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Speaker 5: science can't prove. This may interest you the next time

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Speaker 5: somebody says the afterlife can't be real because science can't

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Speaker 5: prove it. Here's a partial list of things science cannot

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Speaker 5: prove that we know to be real. The first one

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Speaker 5: thoughts and experiences and memories. Consciousness remains one of the

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Speaker 5: is completely unknown to science. The first principle of philosophy,

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Speaker 5: I think, therefore I am. Just because science cannot prove

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Speaker 5: the afterlife. Yesterday I spoke with my good friend, doctor

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Speaker 5: Mark Pittstick from soulproof dot com. He's done so much

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Speaker 5: doctor Schwartz called The Sacred Promise. How science is discovering

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Speaker 5: it offers scientific proof of Spirit's existence, be it the deceased,

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 5: and we're talking about science and the afterlife. Now some

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Speaker 5: nineteen fifty two, father Robert J. Spitzer. He is a

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Speaker 5: the Spitzer Center. He has taught courses on faith and reason, metaphysics,

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,

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Speaker 5: and you're listening to Father Robert Spitzer's evidence of the afterlife.

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Speaker 5: He was just talking about blind people seeing for the

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Speaker 4: cases where people in I went right through the walls

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00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: into the waiting room and guess what I heard you saying.

431
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: So be nice. The main thing to look at, though,

432
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Speaker 4: is there's a second phase to a near death experience.

433
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Speaker 4: The second phase goes into an other worldly domain. You

434
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: are often met by deceased family members, mostly family members,

435
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: five percent of the time by friends, but most of

436
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: the time deceased family members. Sixty five percent of those

437
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: going to the heavenly domain, do have an experience of

438
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: family members? Fifty percent have the experience of a loving

439
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: white light that they identify as either God or Christ.

440
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: Eighteen percent have a visible experience of Christ who looks

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00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: like a human being. That's eighteen percent of adults. A

442
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: lot more children have experiences of a very visible, human

443
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: figured Christ. A lot of people identify Christ though in

444
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: this loving white life. Well, let's get down to the relatives.

445
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Speaker 4: That's the thing that makes for good evidence here when

446
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: this is really doable with children. So the child might

447
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: come and say, well, you know, Granddaddy met me when

448
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: I was in heaven. And of course the parents will

449
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Speaker 4: or the researchers will say, well, granddaddy he died twenty

450
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Speaker 4: years before you were born. How do you know it

451
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Speaker 4: was granddaddy?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

453
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Because he told me, okay, well what did grandaddy look like?

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Speaker 4: And they put out a photo array of twenty different photos.

455
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Speaker 4: And now if they put the photograph of granddaddy when

456
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: he was eighty when he died, maybe the child will go,

457
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: I don't know that person. But when people are in

458
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: their soul bodies, when they're in that spiritual state, they

459
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: revert back to what they looked like when they were

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Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty years old, So almost one hundred

461
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Speaker 4: percent of the time. If you put Granddaddy into the

462
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Speaker 4: photo array in his uniform during World War two or something,

463
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Speaker 4: and you mix it in with twenty other people, boom,

464
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: the kid will say, even with the uniform on, that's Granddaddy.

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Speaker 4: They recognize him right from the twenty five to thirty

466
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Speaker 4: year old picture. Almost one hundred percent of the time

467
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Speaker 4: dead on.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's a huge archive of all these things at the

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Speaker 4: University of Virginia Medical School, Department of Perceptual Studies. And

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Speaker 4: Granddaddy or Uncle Joe or whoever who died way before

472
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: this child tells them certain things about their lives, certain

473
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: things about themselves, certain things about their parents, which of

474
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Speaker 4: course the parents have not disclosed to the child. The

475
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: main thing, though, that's important again, is that you've got

476
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Speaker 4: a lot of testimony here that people did go over

477
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: to the other side. They did see somebody who identified

478
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 4: themselves as Granting. They can pick that person right out

479
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: of a photo array. It's absolutely amazing what they can do.

480
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: And then when they pick them out, so it turns

481
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Speaker 4: out that this is what they look like when they

482
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Speaker 4: were twenty five to thirty years old. Okay, So there's

483
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Speaker 4: so much evidence that the New York Academy of Sciences

484
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Speaker 4: has declared the very credible possibility your consciousness is going

485
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Speaker 4: to survive your bodly death. And I would not just

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Speaker 4: call it consciousness. It's a soul body. You're not just

487
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Speaker 4: a disembodied consciousness that survives your physical body's death. There

488
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Speaker 4: is something akin to a soul body with self consciousness, memory, recall,

489
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Speaker 4: and emotion and so forth. That's there. It's not attached

490
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Speaker 4: to the physical body at all. But it's a soul body,

491
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: and it looks like people look like when they were

492
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Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty years old. And the kids can

493
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: nail it almost every time with the picture of that person.

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Speaker 4: All right, So that's the evidence. I think it's exceedingly strong.

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Speaker 4: And you can see the various stages, right, there's a

496
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Speaker 4: stage here in this world, stage in another world. The

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Speaker 4: loving white light almost always identified as God or Christ. Okay,

498
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Speaker 4: let's take a look at whether physicalist explanations will work

499
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Speaker 4: or not. A physical is basically tries to say this

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Speaker 4: is all explicable with some physical explanatory apparatus. So it's

501
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: your brain that's hallucinating. It's your brain that's having dreamlets.

502
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: It's your brain. When I stimulate the temporal lobes of

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00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 4: the brain, it actually produces some lights or some images

504
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: and so forth, and so on. The pridal lobe is

505
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: actually good for stimulation of images and so forth. So

506
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 4: that must be it. It's a physical explanation. There's really

507
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: about five things that militate against all of these things.

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Speaker 4: The first thing is, you'll never explain how eighty one

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Speaker 4: percent of blind people, most of whom are blind from birth,

510
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: could possibly hallucinate or get a stimulated visual image out

511
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 4: of their physical brain. They don't have any You'll never

512
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Speaker 4: explain blind people hallucinations out of the question. They don't

513
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: have the visual imagination for hallucination dreamlets. They're not going

514
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: to have any dreamlets that look like our visual images

515
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 4: because they don't have any of their brains to stimulate

516
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: when you stimulate the parietal et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

517
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: So the key thought is blind people, all those hundreds

518
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: of cases of people reporting one hundred percent accurate data

519
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: can't be explained about I'd say eighty percent of the

520
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: case is let's just Take Bradley Burrows. Forget about the

521
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: fact that he's blown and lots of non blind people

522
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: see things outside the hospital. Take Maria. You're just not

523
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: going to be able to explain what Maria saw. How

524
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 4: are you going to hallucinate one hundred percent accurately? What

525
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 4: is taking place outside the hospital that nobody is aware

526
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 4: of for twenty years and finally is seen by her

527
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: for the first time and reported because it's called invisible

528
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Speaker 4: shoe on a third floor ledge outside of a hospital.

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Speaker 4: How are you going to do this that kind of data,

530
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: No matter how much you believe in coincidence, The odds

531
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Speaker 4: of Linda being able to do this is like trying

532
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: to describe to tap with random tapping of the keys

533
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: a Shakespeare soliloquy by random typing of the keys in

534
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: a single try.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: So the idea of describing perfectly unknown data one hundred

537
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Speaker 4: percent accurately, Again, there's not anywhere near the body. It's

538
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: outside the hospital very difficult to explain. The third thing

539
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 4: is near Deathics experiences are almost one hundred percent accurate.

540
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 4: Hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate on every level. Dreamlets are inaccurate

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00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: right stimulation, parietal low temporal anoxia. Okay, you got some lights,

542
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: there's no accuracy to it, right, It wasn't a light light,

543
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: so that doesn't give you an accurate image to describe.

544
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 4: So again, hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate, very weird as a

545
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: matter of fact. More as near death experiences are one

546
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: hundred percent accurate and near death experiences there's no electrical

547
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: activity in the brain. Remember flat EEG, fixed and dilated pupils.

548
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: No GAG reflects just a few sputterings, neurons and lower brain,

549
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: so you have no electrical activity in the higher functions

550
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Speaker 4: of the brain. Well, in order to hallucinate anything, every

551
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: physicalist explanation must have electrical activity in the brain, because

552
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Speaker 4: the physical brain is producing the so called llucination. If

553
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 4: you don't have any electrical activity in every you can

554
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: stimulate your paridal lobe all day long, you aren't going

555
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: to get a vision because there's no electrical activity. Same

556
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: thing with dreamless, same thing with physicalist explanations. In all

557
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Speaker 4: last thing, the fifth thing where you have a real

558
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Speaker 4: difference between NDEs and physicallest explanations. The NDEs, let's face facts,

559
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Speaker 4: NDEs are peaceful when people have their heavenly experience about

560
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Speaker 4: eighty percent of the time and one hundred percent of

561
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Speaker 4: the time in children. This is a very peaceful explanation. Hallucinations,

562
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: dream lens and the stimulation of the parietal lobe. Absolutely the

563
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Speaker 4: opposite produces very weird and almost sometimes antagonistic moods, very

564
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Speaker 4: unpeaceful moods. And so, what can we conclude at the

565
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Speaker 4: end about these physical explanations. What can we conclude about NDEs?

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Speaker 4: I think we can conclude safely to what the New

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Speaker 4: York Academy of Sciences has said, there is a very

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Speaker 4: credible possibility that not just your consciousness but your soul

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Speaker 4: body will survive the death of your physical body, that

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Speaker 4: there will be a moment where you are aware of

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Speaker 4: everything going on around your worldly surroundings. And maybe in

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Speaker 4: the operating room, could be outside the operating room, in

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Speaker 4: the waiting room, could be outside the hospital, could be

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Speaker 4: remote from the hospital. But surely something is happening where

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Speaker 4: you are cognizant of these things. And then there's a

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Speaker 4: second part to the whole thing, which of course is

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Speaker 4: moving to a heavenly domain. The deceased relatives and friends,

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Speaker 4: as well as the very loving, exceedingly bright, very loving

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Speaker 4: white light.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain

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Speaker 5: and find out more about Father Spitzer at Magiscenter dot com,

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Speaker 5: Virginia dot edu and search for perceptual studies. Let's hear

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Speaker 4: Okay, any other evidence for a trans physical soul besides

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Speaker 4: what we've seen in the peer reviewed medical studies and

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Speaker 4: near death experiences. There are two in particular that I

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Speaker 4: just want to talk about today. The first one as

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Speaker 4: called terminallycidity, a phenomenon that is pretty common now among

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Speaker 4: people who work in the oncology area and certainly the

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Speaker 4: researchers who deal with this at Harvard University and other places. Basically,

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Speaker 4: the phenomenon may be described as follows, about one to

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Speaker 4: two hours before someone dies. Here we're talking about a

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Speaker 4: person who has been fundamentally challenged intellectually write down to

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Speaker 4: almost an IQ less than twenty five I have almost

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Speaker 4: zero capacity from their physical brain, not even able to

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Speaker 4: make animal sounds, or not even able to swallow without

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Speaker 4: devices to help them swallow. So they've been basically disabled intellectually.

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Speaker 4: So seriously, the debilitation from serious dementia, serious Alzheimer's brain legions,

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Speaker 4: genetic difficulties, and certainly brain trauma, and a variety of

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Speaker 4: other things so debilitated that they can't possibly think with

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Speaker 4: their physical brain, and they have not done so for

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Speaker 4: five years. Now, Suddenly, after five years of never uttering

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Speaker 4: a word, not even an animal sound, this person gets

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Speaker 4: them and goes, hey, Bob, I'm about to die. This

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Speaker 4: is one to two hours before death. I really need

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Speaker 4: some help with my funeral. Would you say the mass

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Speaker 4: for me? And by the way, could you throw these

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Speaker 4: elements into the hombly there? Could you also call up

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Speaker 4: these three people. I really want to reconcile with them

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Speaker 4: before I die in a couple of hours. By the way,

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Speaker 4: my will it's just incomplete. These doctors are looking at

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Speaker 4: this person who's basically a vegetable. Suddenly, like you and me,

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Speaker 4: they're saying all these things that would require reflective understanding,

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Speaker 4: memory and consciousness. They're going, who are you? What's happened?

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Speaker 4: And as Rudolph Tansey says, well, it's totally inexplicable. It's amazing,

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Speaker 4: but it happens all the time. He's one of the

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Speaker 4: main researchers over at Harvard University, and there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of like I said, Bruce Grayson over at the University

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Speaker 4: of Virginia Medical School in a variety of other researchers,

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Speaker 4: Michael namm Over in Germany, et cetera, have been writing

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Speaker 4: about this in some detail. The research now is very good,

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Speaker 4: But how can you explain this? You can only explain

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Speaker 4: it is if this soul body, which I've been trying

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Speaker 4: to describe, it's like a spiritual body that just or

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Speaker 4: leaves the physical body somehow one to two hours before death.

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Speaker 4: What seems to happen is that this soul body begins

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Speaker 4: to gradually detach from the physical body, and as it

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Speaker 4: gradually detaches, it still has some connection with the central

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Speaker 4: nervous system, obviously the vocal cords, obviously other parts of

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Speaker 4: the lower brain, and it remains there in that state.

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Speaker 4: But it's not the physical brain that's doing the thinking.

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Speaker 4: It's your soul consciousness that's doing the thinking, remembering, reflective, understanding, etc.

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Speaker 4: During that time, but it's still connected. The soul body

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Speaker 4: is still connected with the physical body. That seems to

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Speaker 4: be the only explanation for how they're able to do this.

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Speaker 4: But what is doing the thinking, it's the same thing

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Speaker 4: that leaves the body in the near death experience, that

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Speaker 4: soul body with its consciousness, self consciousness, emotion, and memory intact.

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Speaker 4: It is the one that is doing the thing. All right,

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Speaker 4: Let's just go to one last thing. Intelligence and hydrocephalic

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Speaker 4: patients is very important. There are several people who've been involved.

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Speaker 4: The Larber and Lewin studies are particularly significant because Larber

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Speaker 4: did six hundred scans of hydrocephalic patients and made some

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Speaker 4: remarkable discoveries. I've better describe hydrocephalus for just a moment.

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Speaker 4: Hydrocephalus is when spinal fluid begins to go up through

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Speaker 4: the base of the ukranium and starts leaking into the

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Speaker 4: cranial cavity there and it destroys the brain tissue, and

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Speaker 4: spinal fluid replaces that brain tissue. If you don't stop

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Speaker 4: it with a shunt or something of that nature, it's

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Speaker 4: just going to keep on going until it gets to

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Speaker 4: over ninety five percent of the brain is destroyed and

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Speaker 4: replaced by spinal fluid. We would expect that someone who

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Speaker 4: has less than five percent of their physical brain is

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Speaker 4: not going to be doing much thinking. Their whole cerebral

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Speaker 4: cortex and from all cortex are gone. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 4: doing a lot of thinking. So this guy Laurber, of course,

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Speaker 4: in Germany. He writes this study up that he has

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Speaker 4: six hundred scans and he finds that thirty of those

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Speaker 4: people who've been scanned it verified. They have less than

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Speaker 4: five percent of their brain, ninety five percent of their

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Speaker 4: cranyum is filled with spinal fluid. They have a global

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Speaker 4: IQ over one hundred. How is this possible? In fact,

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Speaker 4: laurber was so stunned he basically called his article, is

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Speaker 4: your physical brain really necessary? And the answer is not really?

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Speaker 4: And so this is the idea. Now. One of them

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Speaker 4: that Lauriber loved to describe was a mathematics student that

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Speaker 4: he knew. And this kid had a one twenty seven

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Speaker 4: global IQ, but he had a verbal IQ of something

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Speaker 4: like one forty five or one forty seven or something

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Speaker 4: like that. Anyway, it was a very high verbal IQ.

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Speaker 4: And he had less than one millimeter of brain between

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Speaker 4: the ventricles in the cortical tissue, one millimeter of brain tissue,

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Speaker 4: and he's got a genius level IQ. She has almost

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Speaker 4: no brain and he's got a genius level IQ. Lawberd

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Speaker 4: just said, that's it. All I can tell you is

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Speaker 4: something else is doing the thinking. And that's right. The

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Speaker 4: same soul body that we saw in terminlucidity the same

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Speaker 4: soul body that leaves the physical body during the near

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Speaker 4: death experience, for which we have excellent vertical data and

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Speaker 4: excellent data from the blind people, etc. This's the same thing.

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Speaker 4: My final comment to you is you are not simply

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Speaker 4: a physical body. No one after the New York Academy

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Speaker 4: of Sciences pronouncement, no one should be thinking that they

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Speaker 4: are reducible to molecules and atoms. Yes, you've got a

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Speaker 4: lot of molecules and atoms, and yes there are overlapping

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Speaker 4: functions between what's going on in the soul consciousness and

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Speaker 4: what's going on in the physical brain. Yes, they're overlapping

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Speaker 4: memory functions and so forth. However, at the same time

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Speaker 4: must tell you that the soul consciousness and the soul

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Speaker 4: body are not dependent on the physical consciousness of the

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Speaker 4: physical brain and of course the physical body. So at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, what I can clearly tell you,

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Speaker 4: and what I believe to be reasonable and responsible based

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Speaker 4: on scientific evidence, is that you do have a consciousness

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Speaker 4: and a soul body that will survive bodily death. That

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Speaker 4: the after life looks very much like Jesus Christ described it.

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Speaker 4: If you have a heavenly experience. It is loving, and

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Speaker 4: so I think it's reasonable and responsible to believe that

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Speaker 4: you will have a life after death. The point of

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Speaker 4: course is I think there's good scientific validation for it.

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Speaker 4: I think you are a trans material being, that you

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Speaker 4: have a trans physical soul, and for all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 4: if you continue to investigate this more fully other kinds

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Speaker 4: of things like the shroud of Turin, et cetera, well,

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Speaker 4: I can assure you you will see similar correlations between

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Speaker 4: not just science and God, but science and Christianity, the

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Speaker 4: Christian life, the resurrection of Jesus, and even miraculous hosts

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Speaker 4: that reveal living tissue growing out of a consecrated post,

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Speaker 4: and the whole Euchrist. So it's out there. I have

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Speaker 4: two books which I recommend to you, Science at the

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Speaker 4: Doorstep to God published by Agnesious Press, that deals with

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Speaker 4: the God, life after death, the near death, experienced studies,

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Speaker 4: cosmological evidence for God, etc. And then there's another one

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Speaker 4: called Christ Science and Reason that's got all the scientific

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Speaker 4: evidence for Jesus, for the Shroud of Turin, eucharistic miracles,

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Speaker 4: Marian miracles, particularly looking at the miracle of the Sun

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Speaker 4: at Fatima, some of the absolute remarkable healings at Words,

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Speaker 4: and of course the remarkable tilm of our Lady of

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Speaker 4: God Lupe. I have a friend who basically he was

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Speaker 4: crossing the street one day and somebody just said look

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Speaker 4: out and yanked him back, and car came careening down

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Speaker 4: the street and he looked back and there was no

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Speaker 4: one there. I have a friend who literally went two

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Speaker 4: lures to get a cure, and she had a terrible

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Speaker 4: edema in her legs, swollen twice the size, and she

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Speaker 4: had to wear her husband's shoes. Her feet were two

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Speaker 4: to three times the size they once worked. So she

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Speaker 4: goes to the lords. She gets the water poured on her,

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Speaker 4: and she's coming out and nothing happened to her. So

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Speaker 4: she stops outside for a second, and she pulls out

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Speaker 4: her old pills to keep the edema managed and so forth.

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Speaker 4: A person just says, hey, you're gonna believe or not believe,

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Speaker 4: and she thinks to herself for a minute. She throws

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Speaker 4: out the pills and starts walking, and the edema starts disappearing.

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Speaker 4: Literally much show that she's flopping around in her husband's shoes.

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Speaker 4: Over the course of two three minutes, well, thanks so

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Speaker 4: very much for your kind attention. Keep looking at the

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Speaker 4: science and keep looking at the faith, and you will

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Speaker 4: find out why the vast majority of scientists are believers

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Speaker 4: in God. Today, fifty one percent of scientists declare themselves

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Speaker 4: believers in God or a higher transcendent power. Only twenty

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Speaker 4: one percent are agnostic, twenty percent are atheist, eight percent

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Speaker 4: don't want to respond. And then you have among young scientists,

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Speaker 4: sixty six percent the supermajority claim to be believers in God,

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Speaker 4: only fifteen percent agnostic, fifteen percent atheist. Seventy six percent

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Speaker 4: of medical doctors are believers in God. Only twelve point

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Speaker 4: five percent our agnostic, eleven point two percent are atheists.

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Speaker 4: This is just a tip of the iceberg. Have fun

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Speaker 4: because science and faith are very recomplimentary and mutually corroborative.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, thank you, Father Robert Spitzer. This is not a

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Speaker 5: show about religion. It's about the afterlife. But this man's

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Speaker 5: done so much research and so much work, and I

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Speaker 5: respect whatever religious beliefs, if you have them or not.

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Speaker 5: It's my job to present the best evidence of the afterlife,

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Speaker 5: and I love Father Spitzer's words. Please come visit me

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Speaker 5: at weedotdie dot com. Be sure to sign up for

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Speaker 5: my email list at the bottom of the page. Get

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Speaker 5: a copy of my book other free goodies. Also, come

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Speaker 5: You can find everything and more atwdotdie dot com. In closing,

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Speaker 5: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to

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