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Speaker 1: Welcome to forties and free agents. I am Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: This is Daniel Jeremiah, and this is a limited series

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Speaker 1: going through draft season, and we arm wrestled to decide

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Speaker 1: who was gonna speak first. And people don't know this

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Speaker 1: about DJ, but very short arm length.

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Speaker 2: I got to go, Wow, that's an interesting tale there.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've seen in the history of this country

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Speaker 2: enemies come together and join hands and fine common ground.

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Speaker 2: None more challenging than this relationship coming together. But that's

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Speaker 2: what happens with the NFL offseason, Greg, when you've got

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Speaker 2: free agency in the draft, it's coming together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm the pro personnel side with no experience whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: and you know the college game and so no, we

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Speaker 1: thought it'd be fun to come together during this season.

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Speaker 1: I call it the regular season, the build up to

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Speaker 1: free agency and then your season draft, and we kind

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Speaker 1: of compare the two worlds and decide how these teams

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Speaker 1: are going to be built. I'm excited about this.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm excited about this in a big way. I'm

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Speaker 2: also excited about Greg's watch.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they are paying over NFL Bailey,

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Speaker 2: but that is impressive.

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Speaker 1: This was a gift, Thank you, and yeah you can.

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Speaker 1: You can check us out on YouTube on NFL Network

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this. Let's go to my top

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Speaker 1: ten free agent's list. And I got to admit the

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Speaker 1: list looked a lot better before t Higgins and Trey

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Speaker 1: Smith got the franchise that because now Milton Williams is

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Speaker 1: number one, and it kind.

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Speaker 3: Of feels like that year where Eric Fisher went number

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Speaker 3: one in the free agency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or when Malik Jackson was actually my number one

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Speaker 1: free agent about seven eight years ago. We got Ronnie

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Speaker 1: Stanley with the Ravens. Zach Bond is now resigned, so

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold moves up the list. Josh Sweat with the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, Carlton Davis, a lot of good cornerbacks.

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Speaker 3: I think at the top of this group.

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Speaker 1: Tarvarius war dj Read, DeVante Adams and Amari Cooper both

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Speaker 1: coming off like shaky years there. I'm curious when you

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Speaker 1: look at that list, like, what do you want to criticize?

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Speaker 2: First? I don't want to criticize. I want to point

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Speaker 2: something out, which is sometimes when you're stacking free agents

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Speaker 2: and you're looking at who the best available players are,

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Speaker 2: I think people get caught up in pass production versus

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Speaker 2: future value. That's what free agency is all about, and

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Speaker 2: I think age is incredibly important. Now Milton Williams, I

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Speaker 2: believe it's twenty five years old. Yeah, so when you

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Speaker 2: factor that in, plus he can rush the passer from

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Speaker 2: the interior, which is extremely hard to find. I think that.

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably some shock value to people like

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Speaker 2: casual NFL fans to see his name up there at

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Speaker 2: the top, but he is going to get a lot

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Speaker 2: of money. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The only regrets I have with this list is not

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Speaker 1: pushing some more of those young guys up the list,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about during the show. I did kind

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Speaker 1: of think this is taking a big picture view of this.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of defensive players.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of line like three down linebackers, defensive tackles.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about the theory that.

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Speaker 1: Those positions, specifically off ball linebacker, a defensive tackle, like

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Speaker 1: that's a great free agent position because it takes so

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Speaker 1: long for them to develop. I think Milton Williams is

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Speaker 1: a good example of Zach Bond was that, like, these

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Speaker 1: are guys that maybe weren't really ready to be difference

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Speaker 1: they get a lot better and they're peaking at twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes patience, and I think that's why there's

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Speaker 2: that sweet spot of guys who have experience but are

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Speaker 2: have experience. I go back to Patrick Queen was last

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Speaker 2: year's free agent. Yeah, so you look at the number

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Speaker 2: see it doing the Charger games. I've seen linebackers come

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Speaker 2: I think if you're a team that has a whole

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Speaker 1: Right That's that's the position I mentioned because that's where

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Speaker 1: He's out there negotiating on Twitter with the Seahawks, like

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Speaker 1: responding to negative tweets about him that that's always he

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Speaker 3: Which is that's not a great sign.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about who has the most cap space in

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Speaker 2: You don't have enough of your own players that command money,

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Speaker 2: which means you're not very good, which is why they're

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Speaker 1: The Raiders have ninety five, the Chargers of ninety, the

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Speaker 3: And my issue is there's too much cap space.

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Speaker 2: Though, but different reasons. So if you go through those teams,

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Speaker 2: ate that last year. So now they're freed up with

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Speaker 2: eat up some of that money. And then Washington that

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Speaker 2: hit on a top quarterback. You can have your cake

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Speaker 2: and eat it too. I mean, they have all that space,

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Speaker 1: And yet they signed so many one year veteran free

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Speaker 1: they've got about ten starting jobs to fill. So Adam

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Speaker 1: Peters is gonna earn his money this offseason. But when

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Speaker 1: you look like more than half the league now has

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Speaker 1: in with this TV money, and there's it's much harder

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Speaker 3: Yea, they actually are a.

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Speaker 2: Great push it out and just push it out another future.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing is I've talked to a bunch of

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Speaker 2: You guys got a lot of money. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: wait for that second wave. Yeah. And they all say this,

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Speaker 2: But they all have the intention of being patient.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned the Chargers, so let's mention it here. Joey

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Speaker 1: Bosa released late Wednesday night.

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Speaker 3: Not a shock.

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Speaker 1: They open up twenty five million dollars in cap space,

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Speaker 3: Not a shock.

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Speaker 1: I put him at number fifty six in my top

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Speaker 1: pass rusher out there, like if you got peaked Joey Bosa,

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Speaker 1: which I don't need to tell you. He was out

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Speaker 1: could play hurt, but he wasn't the same Joey Bosa

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Speaker 3: There were just little flashes like early in the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's an example. And we'll see some

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Speaker 2: others in this list. In your list here of you're

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Speaker 2: get asked, because you put a list together, what's this

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if you know he combines

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Speaker 3: That would be fun.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the strength of the draft. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: and always some changes here once you get official measurements

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Speaker 2: Don't know that there's ever been a year quite like that.

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Speaker 2: But if we were to go beyond what you see

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Speaker 2: and you look at the entire top fifty man greg

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Speaker 2: Tight end you see those, there's top two guys up there.

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Speaker 2: There's tons of depth there. It's kind of a weird,

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Speaker 2: There's depth, but not the high end stars that we've

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Speaker 2: have those six guys go, it's nothing like that. So

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be fascinating to see how this marys up

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Speaker 2: with your list and my list, looking at free agency,

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Speaker 2: looking at the draft, and seeing how the draft is

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Speaker 2: going to inform what happens.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's like kind of look at I had the top

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Speaker 1: fifty list. You have your top fifty.

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Speaker 3: I had Top one to one. I mean, I'm working

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Speaker 3: more than double as hard as.

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Speaker 2: I have a top one fifty that comes out before

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Speaker 2: my event. But i mean, hey, that's only forty nine.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be doing this show every week, so

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to picking your list apart a little bit,

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Speaker 1: like and Mason Mason Graham's the top five guy can.

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Speaker 3: Even stay on the field on rundowns, Like, stay tuned

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Speaker 3: for more of that. But when we look at the different.

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Speaker 2: On rundowns, is that what you saying?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you think you think he's like a.

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Speaker 2: He's an unbelievable wrestler's never on the ground, plays with

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Speaker 1: I just that was my first draft, Hot Bake, looking

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Speaker 2: In your time watching the Alabama game in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: I thought there were some games where like good teams

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Speaker 3: How that go? I mean, I am feeling the heat

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Speaker 2: We did well, Executive, How long did we get along?

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Speaker 3: Was that too long?

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Speaker 3: So we talked strengths of this class. You say, obviously

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Speaker 1: I would agree that that's also a strength of Look

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Speaker 2: That's where I go back to, like I think Milton

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Speaker 1: There are guys in this class like at a free

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Speaker 1: too low. Do you ever do you question your list?

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Speaker 1: whereas other positions, offensive line have such a premium. Are

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I was in Baltimore, we had a legendary scout,

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Speaker 2: whatever you watch the tape and whatever you think he is,

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Speaker 2: particular the tackle group, there's not a lot of starting

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Speaker 2: team like the Kansas City Chiefs, people are wondering why

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Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense for them. Go get a

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Speaker 2: former Raven like they did with Orlando Brown. That worked

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Speaker 2: to Stanley. And now that left guard is a lot

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Speaker 2: easier to find a left guard at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: You're not finding a starting tackle at that point in time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I have actually a bunch of interior offensive linemen in

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Speaker 1: mentioned Will Fries is a Now not a lot of

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Speaker 1: sexy names here. I don't have a single tight end

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Speaker 1: that This is a fun class of running backs and

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Speaker 2: Let me give you two guys I didn't see where

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Speaker 2: you had them on your list here. Do not have

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Speaker 2: it in front of me. Maybe you can pull it up,

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Speaker 2: but I'd be curious on like JK. Dobbin so I

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Speaker 2: those guys are productive players, good players, not on the

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Speaker 3: Would you rather have.

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Speaker 1: Nase Harris for they're throwing out that he might get

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Speaker 1: eight ten million dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: I'll maybe believe that.

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Speaker 2: I would guess I would without you saying, I would

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Speaker 2: have said he was going to get six to eight mins.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think Jacob Dobbins would get less. Probably Aaron

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Speaker 2: I always but again, if you want to bake that in,

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Speaker 2: fourteen hundred and fifeen hundred yards, We'll get you up

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have those guys or I guess second

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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, but it also just frees you up. You know,

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Speaker 2: a receiver, we have a corner need, Well let's go.

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Speaker 2: We can plug and play with this back at a

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Speaker 2: these are the conversations that are taking place by the

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Speaker 1: The room, right because like, if you don't, if you're

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Speaker 2: You're not getting one. That's why to me, they have

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Speaker 2: to overpay. And that's why I don't know, because we're

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Speaker 2: talking about free agency in the draft. We're not talking trades.

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Speaker 2: But they've done that, they've gone that route before. I

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Speaker 2: just don't know. You're going to find many people willing

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Speaker 2: roads lead to Ronnie Stanley is what I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: Mmmm yeah. Next on the list that left tackle is

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Speaker 2: A little bit throughout his whole career has been up

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, more of a situational guy, never was consistent,

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Speaker 1: just they couldn't pay him. He's next to Chris Jones,

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Speaker 1: he was with the Chiefs own Wuzaique for the Lions

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Speaker 2: Mcnis paid.

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Speaker 3: They have to pay Hutchinson right. Then you have guys

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Speaker 1: I would be really into Malcolm Koons who missed all

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Javon Hargrave is a guy who is once

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Speaker 1: you managing like taking one of those guys versus the draft,

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Speaker 2: So defensive tackles I've had this conversation with multiple people

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Speaker 2: similar to what I've said earlier, which is we like you,

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Speaker 2: you'll help us. Here's the number, and it's like there's

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Speaker 2: no negotiation, like we'll take you at this number, but

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Speaker 2: there's no reason for us to negotiate with you and

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Speaker 2: go beyond where we're comfortable because of I've got I've

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Speaker 2: thirty two, forty three, forty nine, six defensive tackles in

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Speaker 1: But what if I threw the theory out there that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, defensive tackle wise, I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty pound guys, and I'm dreaming and

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Speaker 2: wishing and hoping are going to add twenty pounds. There's

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Speaker 2: no three hundred. We're talking about three hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: guys at three hundred forty pound guys need to lose weight.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about guys who came up. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about guys who were all six three six four, three

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Speaker 2: are athletic, big a dude. And we saw it at

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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. It was representative there. We saw it

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Speaker 2: with how they worked out. I don't think there's anything

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna just keep taking shots at this draft.

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Speaker 2: No, but that's what that's what's good. This is a

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Speaker 2: healthy discourse. I it does have a nice watch. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to get mad at somebody.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know that was showing, but that was

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Speaker 3: that is new.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't see for a couple seconds.

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Speaker 3: It was it was a gift.

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Speaker 2: It was a gift. It was a gift out you're running.

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Speaker 3: We cannot afford that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on around.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and we're gonna talk quarterbacks afterwards,

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Speaker 1: try to figure out because look, this is this is

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Speaker 1: the last show before free agency really gets going. By

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Speaker 1: the time we tape again, a lot of these quarterback

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Speaker 3: We'll try to figure out how that all works after

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Speaker 3: the break.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are back on forties and free agents,

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Speaker 1: and we are gonna talk quarterbacks. This is this is

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Speaker 1: my time of year. Like in a week or two,

441
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be past free agency. It'll be draft, and

442
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Speaker 1: DJ's just gonna try to dominate this show the quarterbacks

443
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Speaker 1: this year. It's an interesting free agency class. It's it's deep,

444
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. I have at fourth overall, justin Field nineteenth,

445
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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, Russell Wilson, Jacoby Brissett in the fifties and sixties,

446
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Daniel Jones rounding out in terms of the

447
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Speaker 1: top one hundred, and there's like decent backups of available

448
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Speaker 1: after that. I just didn't want to make every backup

449
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Speaker 1: quarterback make it Mike Guy, Mac Jones, I mean, everyone

450
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Speaker 1: forgot about him. He's a free agent. Joe Flacco is

451
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Speaker 1: a free agent, Gardner Minshew is a free agent, and

452
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Speaker 1: it's kind of figuring out at this time of year. DJ,

453
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Speaker 1: how do you compare these guys to the draft prospects

454
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Speaker 1: compared to the potential trade candidates? If there's any out there,

455
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will eventually be on this list because I

456
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Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be able to trade it

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to start there. Actually, where would you

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Speaker 1: put Aaron Rodgers among this entire group?

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Speaker 2: It is such a short term move. I would in

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Speaker 2: terms of Aaron Rodgers on this list, I would put

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Speaker 2: him probably a third. I would put him behind Fields.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at your list right now. To me, if

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Speaker 2: I look at it from a draft standpoint, who signs

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Speaker 2: as a free agent that would preclude you from taking

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Speaker 2: a quarterback high in the draft, And I only see two.

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Speaker 2: I think whoever signed Sam Darnold, if he were to

467
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Speaker 2: leave Minnesota he goes and sign somewhere, I think that

468
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Speaker 2: team is out on taking a quarterback in the first round.

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Speaker 2: I think whoever signs Justin Fields, I think it's likely

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Speaker 2: that they wait on a on a you know, let's

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Speaker 2: evaluate him for a year and maybe our quarterback it's

472
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Speaker 2: not him, is coming in the future. But outside of

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Speaker 2: those top two guys, you know, Winston Russell Wilson, Jacoby Brissett, Garoppolo,

474
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, there's those guys are not going to stop you.

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Speaker 2: If the quarterback you like is there to take him.

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Speaker 3: I'd go further.

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Speaker 1: I would say none of these quarterbacks would you're you're

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Speaker 1: changing your draft plan for Sam Donald like I am.

479
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Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to spend the money that

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Speaker 2: it's going to cost on Sam Donald. If you're if

481
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Speaker 2: you're a team picking up there in the top of

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Speaker 2: the draft and you plan on.

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Speaker 1: Taking a call, what if he doesn't cost that much money.

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Speaker 1: I think as we get closer to free agency, there

485
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Speaker 1: is a greater a greater chance that he ends up

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Speaker 1: staying with Minnesota because ultimately the market isn't that into him.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders we've heard maybe not that in I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: I actually could see the Titans being interested in him.

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Speaker 1: But if you're the Titans, for instance, and you're going

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Speaker 1: after Sam Donald, have you already made the decision that

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Speaker 1: you're not drafting cam Ward in general, have they made

493
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Speaker 1: the decision? Do you think of what they're going to

494
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Speaker 1: do at quarterback? And I have Sean Payton's voice in

495
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Speaker 1: my head from the scouting combine where I believe him.

496
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Speaker 1: He said, at this point in the process last year,

497
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Speaker 1: they didn't know they were going to take Nixie.

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Speaker 2: They also were holding the first overall pick. Your homework

499
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Speaker 2: starts a little earlier when you're holding the first overall

500
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Speaker 2: pick than it does when you're sitting there and seeing

501
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Speaker 2: who's going to fault you and who do you like

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Speaker 2: At that point in time, I would say, I don't

503
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Speaker 2: think he goes to Tennessee. I think Sam Donald. If

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Speaker 2: I was going to guess, I would say, if it's

505
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Speaker 2: a like a one term deal, a one year deal, yeah,

506
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Speaker 2: I would say, why would you leave Minnesota if you're

507
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Speaker 2: not going to go outside of Minnesota to chase a

508
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Speaker 2: one year deal because you already know what you have

509
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Speaker 2: there in Minnesota. It's basically a prove it situation. If

510
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Speaker 2: he gets beyond one year, I could make a case

511
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Speaker 2: to the place like Pittsburgh. You know, Pittsburgh seems to

512
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Speaker 2: me like it is Sam Donald justin field, justin field,

513
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Speaker 2: Sam Donald one of those guys would be their quarterback.

514
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Speaker 2: That's why a team like that, they're in no man's

515
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Speaker 2: land in the draft to get one of these guys.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, and that's why I don't think it would change.

517
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Speaker 1: I think Fields ends up with the Jets or with

518
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Speaker 1: the Steelers. I think the Steelers want to keep him,

519
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Speaker 1: so that would make a lot of sense to me.

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Speaker 1: I think Donald ends up staying. And you asked before,

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Speaker 1: I'll answer it now how much it would cost. I

522
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Speaker 1: think you maybe can get Sam Donald for forty five

523
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Speaker 1: million dollars on.

524
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Speaker 3: Two years on two years on two years.

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Speaker 2: Especially in twenty two and a half, but most.

526
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Speaker 1: Of it's guaranteed, like ten of it's guaranteed into the

527
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Speaker 1: second year, where you have an option to cut him.

528
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's fit. I just don't think with everything that

529
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Speaker 1: gms are looking at for this quarterback class, and then

530
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Speaker 1: there's decent backups out there. Those last two games I

531
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Speaker 1: think lost him a lot of money because you saw.

532
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Speaker 3: Him play in the biggest of spots any froze and

533
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Speaker 3: it reminded everyone why he was available two straight off

534
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Speaker 3: seasons for almost no money, and so now you're giving

535
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Speaker 3: him a raise. But you're not giving that big away.

536
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Speaker 2: So here's my pushback on that. And I'm I'm outed

537
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Speaker 2: and known as a Sam Darnold fan. I was when

538
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Speaker 2: he came leader of the d I mean bounced around

539
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Speaker 2: and hasn't worked this. This is why I would push

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Speaker 2: back on that. I think the Detroit game, yeah, Sam

541
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Speaker 2: did not play well. I'm not going to run from

542
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Speaker 2: that or hide from that. Like he did not play

543
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Speaker 2: well on the road in that wouldn't let go of

544
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Speaker 2: the BA the playoff game. Their offensive line got destroyed

545
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Speaker 2: in that game, and I would argue that if you're

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Speaker 2: going to make that case, then how do you explain

547
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Speaker 2: what happened in the Super Bowl and how do you

548
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Speaker 2: not acknowledge the impact of getting destroyed upfront and what

549
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Speaker 2: that has on the play of the quarterback. And I

550
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Speaker 2: also have fourteen games sample size, that's not a small

551
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Speaker 2: sample of him playing it at a very very high level.

552
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Speaker 2: When he was protected. He didn't get protected. He got

553
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Speaker 2: his butt kicked. I don't run from that one terrible game.

554
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Speaker 2: I don't put the playoff game on Sam. Okay, So

555
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Speaker 2: if we're going to talk numbers.

556
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Speaker 3: I would more than you.

557
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Speaker 2: So my take is, I think if it's a one

558
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Speaker 2: year deal against state in Minnesota. If you can go

559
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Speaker 2: get a two year deal, whether that's Pittsburgh, whether that's

560
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: you know, wherever else is out there at that point time.

561
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he wants to go running back

562
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Speaker 2: to the New York market. I don't know that i'd

563
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Speaker 2: be in a hurry to do that with the Giants

564
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Speaker 2: instead of the Jets. But that would be, you know,

565
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Speaker 2: at least a conversation. My guess is he gets two years,

566
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Speaker 2: I'll say it's like thirty million in the first year, okay,

567
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Speaker 2: And I'll say there's five little something for the second

568
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Speaker 2: year guaranteed. Whether that's five million, maybe maybe as much

569
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Speaker 2: as ten. But I would say just a little something.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're parking our car and then in the same grass.

571
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Speaker 3: That's basically that's the same. You just raised it a

572
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Speaker 3: little bit. What about the guy's not on this list?

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Speaker 1: So kirk Cousins, I saw a report that he wants

574
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Speaker 1: to wait until after the draft because he doesn't.

575
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Speaker 2: Want to see what seats get filled. He got look

576
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Speaker 2: what happened in the draft last year, right, but he

577
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the cards, right?

578
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Speaker 3: Can kirk Cousins dictate?

579
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Speaker 1: Maybe there isn't a market for him until day three

580
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Speaker 1: of the draft anyways, which would make more sense to me,

581
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Speaker 1: and I guess they would want to do right by

582
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in Cleveland could make some sense. Who gets

583
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: left out between the draft and free agency. There's too

584
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Speaker 1: many spots that are wide open and so but.

585
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Speaker 2: He's a free look.

586
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Speaker 3: Yes, if he gets released, he won't cost much money.

587
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Speaker 2: It's going to be Russell Wilson from last year. Yes,

588
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: you're gonna pay him a million bucks because the Falcons

589
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: are cut in the check, which makes him way more

590
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Speaker 2: desirable for a place like Cleveland, who has, you know,

591
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Speaker 2: not a lot of money to spend because of how

592
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Speaker 2: much they have sunk and Watson, and he has familiarity there.

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Speaker 1: I actually could convince myself more into Kirk Cousins than

594
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Speaker 1: some of these other guys because I was I thought

595
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Speaker 1: it was remarkable how productive and how well he played

596
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Speaker 1: in games where he literally couldn't move.

597
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Speaker 3: He like they figured it out for about half the

598
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Speaker 3: season there.

599
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Speaker 1: And now you make the case he's a year more

600
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Speaker 1: removed from Achilles surgery and maybe he's a little bit.

601
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question. Nobody's talked about this,

602
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Speaker 2: but I think it's a fascinating conversation. If let's say

603
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Speaker 2: Sam Donald leaves, Sam Donald goes to the Steelers, right,

604
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Speaker 2: so he's gone. If you're Minnesota, and here's here's the options, right,

605
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Speaker 2: you have JJ you're hoping and you're hoping he's going

606
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Speaker 2: to be the but you need a veteran there. You

607
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Speaker 2: have Daniel Jones who's been on your team last year.

608
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Speaker 2: You have Kirk Cousins is available to come back, as

609
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Speaker 2: you know, buying you a little more time with Jajon

610
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Speaker 2: mur Would you rather have Daniel Jones with what he's

611
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Speaker 2: going to cost, which I would have to believe is

612
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Speaker 2: a lot more than what Kirk Cousins Because of the

613
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: Falcons and the way that contract was situated, you could

614
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Speaker 2: get Kirk Cousins back in Minnesota for next to nothing.

615
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Speaker 3: Would you rather have? That's so spicy that I can't

616
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Speaker 3: believe no one else says I've never heard anybody bring

617
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Speaker 3: this up.

618
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Speaker 1: Nate actually said very nice things about each other in

619
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Speaker 1: the press. They handled that pretty well.

620
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Speaker 2: Can I challenge our group here?

621
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Speaker 1: This will be postpers We can't stump the tape and

622
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Speaker 1: this is like maybe in post by the podcast, the.

623
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Speaker 2: Time this airs, we could drop this little thing in

624
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: here because when they played after the game was over,

625
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins had a moment was caught

626
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: on camera, and there is a lot of love between

627
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Speaker 2: those guys. Okay, So I'm just I don't know if

628
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Daniel Jones and what that market is.

629
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the minshewe market, what is

630
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: that fifteen million bucks since you got or it's Kirk

631
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Speaker 2: Cousin saying I'll come back and literally pay me the minimum.

632
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: Is not making all this money from the found I.

633
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Speaker 1: Think Daniel Jones could be the guy who, in theory

634
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Speaker 1: is competing with Anthony Richardson. I think Justin Field's could

635
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: be that guy, but they're not gonna let him. You

636
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: said something very interesting in public which got on my

637
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: radar this week, which is you thought you wouldn't be

638
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: totally surprised if Gino Smith got traded.

639
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just to me, DK's gone, right. We think

640
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: we think, well, yeah, he's requested a trade. It could

641
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: be done by the time you're listening to this. I

642
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: would imagine that's going to happen in short order. Okay,

643
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: So DK's gone. It just feels like it. Gino's what

644
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: thirty four, maybe mid thirties, Like there's there's moments in

645
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: an organization where you have a coach in his second

646
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: year where it just kind of feels like this could

647
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: be a reset for Seattle. You know, this is an

648
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: opportunity to reset. Now the challenges. Who's you know, who's

649
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: your quarter playing at that point.

650
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: Right, they actually would be the team. Then I would

651
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: extend for Sam Donald maybe and would convince.

652
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: That they could get into that. That's why this would

653
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: have to happen pretty quick, but they.

654
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Speaker 3: Could get in on That hurts my feelings.

655
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: But how would you do though, if, as the president

656
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: of the Geno fan club and the president of the

657
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: Sam Donald haters club, if somehow Gino was out and Sam.

658
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: Was in, well, I would just I would just root

659
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: against Sam Darnald next year, root for his demise like

660
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: I've been. It is very annoying that the Sam Donald

661
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: hive contains some of my favorite analysts in the in

662
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: the country, Nate Tice, Mena Chimes. Unfortunately, you're part of

663
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: it too, so I don't get what they're what they're

664
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Speaker 1: seeing that you don't wear because Gino Smith would be

665
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: a top this list for me. To me, he has

666
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: played more consistently, see more consistently.

667
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: At a higher level, higher level playing.

668
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: I think he's more I think he's more of a

669
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: complete quarterback than any of these guys.

670
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: And this to Cousins too. And again, this is why

671
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: I love this conversation, because we need to see where

672
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: it takes us and then go there. But I think

673
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: there is a little bit of a market correction in

674
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: terms of older quarterbacks. Where you had Tom Brady, well,

675
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: you had Aaron Rodgers first of all, playing MVP level,

676
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: you know, going up to the age of forty, like

677
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: getting you know, towards forty. You had Tom Brady winning

678
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: a super Bowl after forty, and there was this kind

679
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: of belief of like, you know, these quarterbacks, they they're

680
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: all going to be great into their late thirties, right,

681
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, we saw Russell Wilson

682
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: fall off a cliff, Matt Ryan, we saw Matt Ryan

683
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: fall off a cliff. We saw Ben you know when

684
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: his thing happened, you know, he had kind of fallen.

685
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: You go back a little ways. The normal thing is

686
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: most of these guys when you get in the mid thirties,

687
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: it starts to really tail off those guys Aaron Rodgers,

688
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: Tom Brady.

689
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: Those were the exceptions, right, and even Aaron Rodgers. People

690
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: are still betting on that. Now. If Aaron Rodgers plays

691
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: for a team this year and plays well, he will

692
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: be the most productive forty one year old quarterback of

693
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: all time behind Tom Brady, which is why I think

694
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: he fits in New York with the Giant.

695
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't know where.

696
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: It's a desperation move.

697
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't know who the Giants are going to have

698
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: a quarterback. And I've had this conversation with a bunch

699
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: of different people and everybody says the same thing. It

700
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: feels like Aaron Rodgers or bust.

701
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: But if they have Aaron Rodgers, do they move up

702
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: or potentially take cam Ward at three?

703
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: Which I think I think if cam Ward were there,

704
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: they would take cam Ward.

705
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: I the longer we go in the process, and this

706
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: is a good time to transition. Let's look at the

707
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in your top fifty.

708
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: Tell me if I'm wrong. The longer this goes on,

709
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: you have cam.

710
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Ward as your tenth overall prospect, Shade or Sanders at eighteen,

711
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: So actually not that huge of a gap from our

712
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: guy Jeremiah forty for Jackson Dart. The longer it goes on,

713
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: the more I just think cam Ward's going to be

714
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: the number one overall draft pick, not because.

715
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Whether it's there, whether it's Tennessee right, the Giants, you know, coming.

716
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: Because people are making it out to be.

717
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Okay, if you put him in last year's draft, where

718
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: is he wouldn't he be right there with Pennix and

719
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: McCarthy at the least, and those guys went in the

720
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: top ten.

721
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: And so if you're telling me he's a top ten

722
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: talented quarterback and everyone needs quarterbacks in this class, that.

723
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna go. I mean, there's no question he's going

724
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: to be one of the first three picks in the draft.

725
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: Okay, but we take that to the bank.

726
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: What about one? I think that's I think there's a

727
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: good chance of that, whether or not that's Tennessee deciding

728
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: to do it or whether that's somebody wanting to pay

729
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: the price to go up.

730
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: All it takes is one.

731
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: So if the Giants, yeah, if they don't get Rogers,

732
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: or even if they did get Rogers, do you think

733
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Rogers and cam like do you would you trust. That's

734
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: why I don't want to sign Rogers at all. It's

735
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: just too much of a headache him and the guy

736
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: that you're You're you're trusting the future, you're franchise.

737
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: Maybe mixes you out.

738
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we get some spice then maybe you know

739
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: we're as we're recording this, we're a few days away

740
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: from free agency, right, there's enough of a window there.

741
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: If I'm the Giants, I don't want to get caught

742
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: with nothing. That literally is a game of musical chairs.

743
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: And if you think you can make the move to

744
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: go to number one to secure that you get cam Ward,

745
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: then okay, we do that. We don't worry about Aaron Rodgers.

746
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: Let's let's just roll with who we're going to get

747
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: with the first overall pick.

748
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: Ma if the move in March, you don't have to wait.

749
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: And I mean what I'm saying is if.

750
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: You get the free agency and you're still sitting at

751
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: pick number three, yeah, and you're just saying, you know,

752
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: we'll just wait till the draft, well then you better

753
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: like more than one quarterback.

754
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: If that's the case, So should Sanders might slip in

755
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: this draft? He might not wait. I just said all

756
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: the teams that need quarterbacks. And that's why I think, can.

757
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: I cut you off there by the way, because this

758
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: is a popular it's a popular TV segment, it's a

759
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: popular conversation. How you know how far will he slide?

760
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: And the whole league, you know, doesn't like Shodo or Standers.

761
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, do you realize, right, it only takes

762
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: one team.

763
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: Sure you can go.

764
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: You might have all the sources in the world. I

765
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: don't care who you are. The most connected people in

766
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: this business. Do not have rock solid going to tell

767
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: you the true sources in all thirty two buildings. So

768
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: these people that are saying, well, he's going to do

769
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: this or he's going to do that, I'm like, there's

770
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: no way for anybody to know this. And I think

771
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: this is a fit draft more than any other that

772
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: I can ever remember. I think shud Or Standers is

773
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: a really good fit for a team like the Raiders.

774
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: I think he makes sense as a fit for a

775
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: team like the Saints. So all it takes is one

776
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: of those teams.

777
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: So don't buy in.

778
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: And it's not just a shootour Sanders conversation. It's a

779
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: player in general. When you hear everybody's punting on this

780
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: guy and everybody's out on him, like no, it takes

781
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: one team.

782
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Well, this class I think is going to have more

783
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: disagreement up and down the board than any because it feels.

784
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: Like there's only two or three players that everyone agrees on.

785
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: But to the quarterback point, yeah, just logically, Tennessee, Cleveland Giants, Raiders, Jets.

786
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: I'll throw the Saints in there. That's just in the

787
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: top nine picks. They all need quarterbacks, and I tend

788
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: to agree with you. I tend to think that the

789
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: Saints would maybe be the floor. I don't know if

790
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: they're crazy enough, although Mickey Loomis has been known to

791
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: make some crazy trades to trade out for Shadeur Sanders,

792
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: but if he fell.

793
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: To nine, Can I give you the sneaky quarterback team though, please,

794
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: because we were just talking about with Seattle. Okay, I

795
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: don't know who their guy would be. I don't know which,

796
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: you know, if that's maybe that's more they wanted take

797
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: a flyer on somebody in the second on the second day.

798
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: You know, maybe that's Jackson Dart, maybe that's you know,

799
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck, one of those type of guys that you

800
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: could get maybe maybe you trade back a little bit,

801
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: take one bottom of the first maybe you take one

802
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: in the second round. But I was kind of just

803
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: going through all these teams, and just because the conversation

804
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: we had about Geno getting a little bit older and

805
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: not knowing if they could pivot. Then all of a sudden,

806
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: you get another team that's in the in the quarterback

807
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: mix a little bit.

808
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: So Seattle.

809
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, picking at eighteen, they would theoretically have more draft

810
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: capital because they've traded away Dk Metcalf.

811
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: You could use that to make a move. I mean

812
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't mention it before. Though.

813
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: There is one screaming logical team for Gino Smith, and

814
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: it's his old buddy Pete Carrol.

815
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: Like those two guys, that solves their problem.

816
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: Two guys are always I like that. I would accept

817
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: that that move for Gino Smith. I think that could

818
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: work out. You know, they spend a lot of money

819
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: in free agency. Like we mentioned, all the money that

820
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: is out there. We're going to see over the next week,

821
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: but it will be interesting to see how teams spend

822
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: at quarterback.

823
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: I think the markets changed a little bit.

824
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: I think the Daniel Jones contract was part of it,

825
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: and then the Baker Mayfield contract, the first one he

826
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: took with Tampa being so effective.

827
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: As part of it is like, you.

828
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: Don't have to pay Daniel Jones level quarterbacks, and I

829
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: would consider Darnold or fields like around that or a

830
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: little lower. You don't have to pay them eighty five

831
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: percent of Joe Burrow. It doesn't make any sense.

832
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: It's really half what it is. I think thirty million

833
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: is kind of that. That's going to be that veteran mark.

834
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Our salary cap is just costing these top tier quarterbacks

835
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: so much money because you can't tell me that Patrick

836
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: Mahomes is the same essentially as like the.

837
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 3: Eighth quarterback in the league who gets that games.

838
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: There's fun games to play though, when you cross different

839
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: positions and value and look at the numbers and then

840
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: try and wrap your mind right it. Last year, my

841
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: favorite was I got a lot of texts they were

842
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: saying that the Eagles just get Saquon Barkley for Gabe

843
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: Davis Prices, right.

844
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Dorrits Armstrong got more money than

845
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley last year, which is why I was good

846
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: they gave him to Speaking of weird dollars, you know,

847
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: to two at Well sign. I just want to throw

848
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: this out because I liked ten million. We're a new

849
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: news show too, to to at Well got ten million.

850
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: I have a feeling there were people around the league

851
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: that were.

852
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: Like, what are you doing to us?

853
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: I had a decision maker that shot me at I

854
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: actually I was ahead of it. I sent him that

855
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: contract and then he was not. He was like, yeah,

856
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: that didn't help. I think they had somebody else in

857
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: mind for a price, someone in that neighborhood. And I

858
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: just said, yeah, that's this is where the market is.

859
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: You're not getting dead player for that price.

860
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: He has about a thousand yards through four years. I

861
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: feel like Sean mcvayson justifying that draft pick.

862
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: I like to to hour it was a nice development

863
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: story that he improved to a solid fourth receiver, which

864
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: he can be for them, and I guess they're gonna

865
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: he's more of a third receiver for them if but

866
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: he's getting double the money of DeMarcus Robinson a year ago.

867
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Robinson was a better player. That tells me Sean

868
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: mcvay's got all the juice in the building.

869
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: I want to this is this is real time here.

870
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: What year was he was too to out? Well twenty two? Yeah,

871
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: four years ago, so twenty two. So I'm just going

872
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: to see where I had him because I was curious

873
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: on this because I like going through to two at well.

874
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: It was a late second round pick in the end,

875
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: but a shocking ye one, very about ten more pounds.

876
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: You sure it was twenty two.

877
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: He's played four years in the league, so it would

878
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: be twenty one. Y, yeah.

879
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: Twenty that's a wrong year. I'm looking in the wrong file.

880
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: Can I give you a theory while you're looking?

881
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, go for it.

882
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of the Tavon Austin scene

883
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: with Jeff Fisher in Hard Knocks, which I think it

884
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: was the off season Hard Knocks, which probably only I

885
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: watched All or Nothing, where it was a it was

886
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: a great moment Tevon Austin, this guy everyone called the

887
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: bus a developmental story, improved to like a pretty decent player,

888
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: and they just loved him as a person, and so

889
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: they gave him that contract. Everyone felt so good in

890
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: the organization in the moment. It was almost worth it

891
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: just for that moment. Ended up not being a very

892
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: good contract at all. It reminds me of a light

893
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: version of that. Everyone probably loves two to at Well.

894
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: It's a great moment, but it doesn't make any sense.

895
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: Okay to two at Well was my seventy ninth player.

896
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: So you said he like in the fift the fifties,

897
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: so he was just under five to nine, one hundred

898
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: and fifty five pounds, ran a four to three five

899
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: at his pro day, I talked about jet sweeps. He's dynamic,

900
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: he can separate, he's got a second year ball in

901
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: the air, he's got some route polish. She was a

902
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: high school quarterback, throw the ball seventy yards on his knees,

903
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: just through that there for seven years. But I said

904
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: he was a miniature t Y Hilton. That's too like

905
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: if you're hoping that he was going to what he

906
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: was going to be like, that's but he hasn't been.

907
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 3: He's turned into a pretty good role player.

908
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: Rams fans in the front office will defend him as

909
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: he he stretches the field and that opens it up

910
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: and he's improved. Like so he's basically a good number

911
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: four getting like good number three money.

912
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: I guess, can I give you a fun podcast topic?

913
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 3: Sure?

914
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: What if you just did a tournament like it was

915
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: like it was a fighting tournament between but the lightweight division.

916
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: So you have like Calvin Austin versus two two at

917
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: Well in round one squaring off. Who would you rather have? Well,

918
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's just that.

919
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Would be fun to watch. I thought you were going

920
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: to throw me in the mix, generate. I'm like a

921
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: little that weight class. I got a little more muscle.

922
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: It's not an idea worthy of the watch that you're wearing,

923
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: but it is definitely something I'm a spirer.

924
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: Okay, more to come on forties in free agents. Back

925
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: in a minute. We are back on forties and free agents.

926
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: So we are going to wrap up the show with

927
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: an exercise that I'm excited about. We're going to talk

928
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: about building around some of these young quarterbacks in the league.

929
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: And all three of them are in the top ten

930
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: of the draft in terms of their team is picking

931
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: in the top ten of the draft.

932
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: The Patriots are at number four.

933
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: They're there with Drake May Trevor Lawrence, who frankly were

934
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: being a little generous calling him a young quarterback at

935
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: this point, like he's two years into his second contract,

936
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: and this is what I was talking about everyone gets

937
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes money. Trevor Lawrence is making the same

938
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: money as like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. This doesn't

939
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: really help your team building. And Kayleb Williams is the

940
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: pick of the draft in terms of the Bears. And

941
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through and I'm gonna suggest some team

942
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: building I want to see in free agency.

943
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm the free agency you can grade my free agent.

944
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: General manager jobs, and then when we get to the

945
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: draft portion, we'll see how I did, and you'll choose

946
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: what you want to do building around these guys in

947
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: the draft.

948
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: So Drake May, let's start there, number four overall pick.

949
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: The number one thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna

950
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: trade for DK metcalf yep.

951
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you what you're gonna trade. You're

952
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: gonna trade the thirty eighth pick.

953
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I think that could get it done.

954
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: I think that would get it.

955
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: Supposedly, he wants he wants to play for a contender,

956
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: and he.

957
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if DK is gonna love that, but

958
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: that's you know, if I'm on the Patriots, Yeah, thirty

959
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: eighth pick, make that move.

960
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: They've got Mike Rabel, They've got a lot of targets

961
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: available because they've got three or four guys who probably

962
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: profile well as a number three receiver, but not even

963
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: the number two.

964
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: At this point. You've got a quarterback who loves to

965
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: throw a deep throw it to the outside. It's a

966
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: nice fit. Okay, that's number one. Number two.

967
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to sign and maybe overpay Cam Robinson or

968
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses if Cam Robinson just gets too crazy.

969
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: And these guys aren't going to change my life. But

970
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: it's what they didn't do a year ago.

971
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a terrible plan where they had no

972
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: backup plan. They had no even starting plan. And to me,

973
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: this is more of a backup plan you want to develop.

974
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: It would not stop you from draft taking alignment. I'll

975
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: get there, right, you would. It would not stop you

976
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: from drafting a tackle. But at least it's just Okay,

977
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: there's one tackle spot they need. They need two tackle

978
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: spots filled.

979
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: Man. I saw them with the Chargers last year up

980
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: close and personal. That is rough, rough supporting group that

981
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: he's got there, especially at the tackle position. So I

982
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: like that.

983
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Anybody else you want to lob in there, I mean,

984
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: I I Ronnie Stanley, they would they would have liked

985
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: to get, but I feel like that's going to probably

986
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: go too much. And then I'm looking on the defensive

987
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: side of the ball too, So it's not just building

988
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: around Drake may. I think Nick Bolton would make sense

989
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: for them as like a three down linebacker. You want

990
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: to be building with younger players, and they need edge players.

991
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm going Mountain Kunts as well, So it's not build

992
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: up the defense as part of as part of helping

993
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Drake me out. When you look at the wide receiver

994
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: position in free agency, I don't know. I guess you

995
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: could sign one, but they all just profile as other

996
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: guy like they've gone this route before, taking the lower tier,

997
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: like Josh Palmer type, like they don't need another one

998
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: of them.

999
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think DeVante Adams, you know,

1000
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: is in a hurry to go to New England. The

1001
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: one game, the one name that I think would be

1002
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: kind of interesting for them from a receiver standpoint. I

1003
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: know wasn't great last year in terms of the production,

1004
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: but Keenan Allen just is kind of a veteran who

1005
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: can still get open on some third downs. I think Okay,

1006
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 2: at a relative you cost, that wouldn't make some sense

1007
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: to me.

1008
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: Barris Fans got on him early in the year. I

1009
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: tell you, if you watch the end of that season,

1010
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: Caleb trusted Keenan Allen. That's what we kind of played

1011
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: himself into either shape or figuring out that offense. And

1012
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: by the end of the year it was like, Okay,

1013
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: I agree with you, he can he can make some sense.

1014
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: Let's go to Trevor Lawrence.

1015
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, I get to my draft with these guys. Okay, yeah,

1016
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna take We're gonna take the second round pick's gone,

1017
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: so we've already acquired the k Metcalf so that's taken

1018
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: care of. But now you've got between now and the

1019
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: draft to decide if you want armand Membo, if you

1020
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: want Will Campbell. So we're we're committed to taking an

1021
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: offensive line with that.

1022
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: Are they you? Are they a difference maker enough?

1023
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: There's such an upgrade and you're not gonna have to

1024
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: worry about him. So you know, you've got a starter

1025
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: plug in place for eight to ten years. Like they

1026
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: can't trot out there what they had last year and

1027
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: you have to We just talked about it at the

1028
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: top of the show. If you want an offensive tackle,

1029
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: you got to pay the premium. It might be a

1030
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: little bit earlier than you want to. You're gonna if

1031
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: you want one in free agency, you're gonna cost more

1032
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: than you want to. But they can't run out there.

1033
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Drake may behind this group. They can't.

1034
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: Membo seems a little more exciting to me.

1035
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Seems a little more like he is very talented and

1036
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: you can put him at right tackle. You put Cam

1037
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: Robinson at left Heck.

1038
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: There you go. So we just solved the Okay, Patriots.

1039
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: There what else you want there?

1040
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: Let's do Trevor Lawrence. They have the fifth overall pick

1041
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: in the draft. They actually have a lot of guard

1042
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: need on this team, and I think they should take

1043
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: a lesson from the team we're going to talk about

1044
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: next and take care of some of it before the draft.

1045
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: A couple of guards that I think would be out there.

1046
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: James Daniels actually played really well for the Steelers before

1047
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: he had a major injury, and maybe they can afford

1048
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: to kind of wait for him to get healthy.

1049
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: So that that's one guard name that stuck out to me.

1050
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: Another possible option there would be this like a short

1051
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: term fix, like a Kevin Zeitler, just to like come

1052
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: in for a year while you draft and develop guys.

1053
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: I actually don't love that.

1054
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: I've heard Aaron Banks is going for like eighteen million dollars.

1055
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: That seems like not a great idea, but at least

1056
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: one guard in free agency.

1057
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zeitler's interesting to me because I thought the Bears

1058
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: would be a Zeitler teams to Ben Johnson connection. Obviously

1059
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: they've gone another direction with the two trades that they've made.

1060
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: The Chargers have a need inside guard, and Zeitler was

1061
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: with Ortiz back in Baltimore, so there's an understanding there.

1062
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: I could be making some sense. So he'll have he's

1063
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: going to have a market. I was almost even wondering

1064
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: with them what happens with Makai Beck than is that

1065
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: a flyer you'd be willing to take you but as

1066
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: someone who can help you run the ball, because last

1067
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: year the Jags, we can talk about Trevor and his issues,

1068
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: they couldn't run the ball. They were twenty six in

1069
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: rushing yards per.

1070
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Game, and yet running backs like one of the positions

1071
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: that they're pretty said, they've got their.

1072
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: Guest, so they should be more productive in the run

1073
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: game than they are, which means they're not getting any

1074
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: push up front.

1075
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I think they could be a team also that looks

1076
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: for a center, So centers in this market. Drew Dollman

1077
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: is probably costing too much money. But you played Ryan

1078
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: Kelly twice a year. Maybe that's a veteran you bring

1079
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: in Mitch Morse. This was surprising news that came out

1080
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Decided to retire. Struggled with injuries last year.

1081
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: Maybe didn't play as well as his contract that they

1082
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: were hoping for coming out of Buffalo. So they basically

1083
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: have to fix their whole interior line in one offseason.

1084
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: Josh Myers is a guy that's also out there from

1085
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Would not surprise me if they spent there

1086
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: as well. And then I think they have their one

1087
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: in Brian Thomas. I think they could use a little

1088
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: bit of depth. I don't want them to go crazy

1089
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: at the top of the market. I actually thought your

1090
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: guy Josh Palmer in LA always could have been.

1091
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: Like a little better.

1092
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: I always wanted just a little bit more.

1093
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: He could be a rotation guy for a h team

1094
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: that you think.

1095
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of similar players there. So

1096
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: where do you put that price tag? Yeah too too

1097
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: at well money? I would I would would you?

1098
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: I don't think I would go there.

1099
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: You would not for Josh Palmer.

1100
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: And then on the defensive side of the ball, because

1101
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: I decided I'm taking this beyond just helping the quarterbacks. Uh,

1102
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: they need some interior pass rushers. They actually, I think

1103
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: are in a beautiful position with this new regime Liam

1104
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Cohen where I actually don't think this team has a

1105
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: ton of screaming needs. They just have like pretty good

1106
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: players across the board, and they need to upgrade their

1107
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: overall talent. So Levi un Wuzurique, I think could could

1108
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: be a fit there. You're Puna Ford. I would throw

1109
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: out there like they could use interior rusher like Javon Hargrave.

1110
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: They're on obviously going to sign all these guys, but

1111
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: maybe one from that bucket and then one from the

1112
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: safety bucket. Do you go a little top of the

1113
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: market with Travon Morrigg, who's a good young player trying

1114
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: to like establish maybe he would be like a plus

1115
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: starter in free agency.

1116
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Merg's gonna get a lot more money

1117
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: than people think.

1118
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: And I think Jacksonville might be spending a lot in

1119
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: free agency.

1120
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that move and where they're picking.

1121
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: They got the fifth pick right with Jacksonville, so I've

1122
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: we've talked about him. I'm higher on him than Greg

1123
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: Is because Greg doesn't go watch the playoff games from

1124
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: the previous year. But Mason Graham to me, makes some

1125
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: sense for them along the defensive tackle position. I also

1126
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: think with where their needs lie, they could be a

1127
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: trade back team. Now, the challenge in this draft is

1128
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: who's coming up for who? To me, you could hope

1129
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: that there's some heat on the two tackles because it's

1130
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: a limited tackle pool. Maybe somebody moves up for one

1131
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: of those guys. Maybe you could just slide back a

1132
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: little bit. Okay, this will be a running also like

1133
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: naland Walker because I wouldn't mind seeing him reunited there

1134
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: with Trayvon Walker and we have the Walker boys just

1135
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: getting after the Georgia Bulldogs out there for.

1136
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: It's funny because Travon Walker is in theory up for

1137
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: an extension this year. Lthough they have him on the

1138
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: on the fifth player, he's turned into a good player.

1139
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll extend the fact that it's a

1140
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: new regime. There sort of a lot of Trent Balcony's

1141
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: guys are still there in the personnel department. Maybe doesn't

1142
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: help them, but that would be interesting. Let's wrap with

1143
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams.

1144
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: We've already been going to work before we could even

1145
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: get the segment.

1146
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they add two guards, Jonah Jackson and Joe Toney,

1147
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: and yet I think they couldn't the draft. That's up

1148
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: to you because these guys are maybe short term solutions.

1149
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: They're another team I think could look at a center.

1150
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: They still look very thin at center. Go with Ryan

1151
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: Kelly there. I actually don't think they have huge needs

1152
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,479
Speaker 1: in free agency, so I would say save your money

1153
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: on offense because they have two receivers that they really like.

1154
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: If you're adding a receiver, it's maybe like a Mac

1155
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: Collins type.

1156
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: I just think good vibes, like, yeah, receiver putting no shoes.

1157
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: The thing with the Bears, and I'll put this to

1158
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: our resident Bears fan who we work with not to

1159
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: be mentioned, but we were talking about the needs of

1160
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: having the defensive side of the ball, and my argument was,

1161
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: this is year one of Ben Jonson.

1162
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: Your team, Caleb Williams.

1163
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: If next year, at this time, Caleb Williams is coming

1164
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: off of forty five hundred yards and everybody in your organization,

1165
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: in your city knows that he's the guy. And you

1166
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: guys win six or seven games, that is a successful season.

1167
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: Fans aren't gonna want to hear that. But that's just

1168
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: playing the facts. So when you look at resources, free agency,

1169
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: the draft, I am doing everything in my power. You've

1170
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: already hired the coach to help him, You've already made

1171
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: two trades to help him. If I have to be

1172
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: a little bit lopsided offensively versus defensively with resources, I've

1173
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 2: got to get this guy playing well. So that's where

1174
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: in free agency in the draft, I'm still I'm tilting

1175
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: to the offense.

1176
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually they have needs that safety, which is

1177
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: a position where maybe you could get a decent player

1178
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: without spending a lot of money. We talked about the

1179
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: top of the safety market, but there are guys, you know,

1180
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: towards the back, like a Jeremy Chin or as Xavier Woods,

1181
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: like guys who can play that I think they could use,

1182
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't see crazy needs. They have Dennis Allen

1183
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: now running their defense so you know, maybe you go

1184
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: cheap for his old friend Marcus Davenport as a second

1185
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: edg dresser, like.

1186
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: One of your slave. Import always has a market this time.

1187
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: Everybody's always everybody's because if if you just stay healthy,

1188
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: he could You know, he always has a market.

1189
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking about bargain basement shopping because ultimately, I think

1190
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: they're they're showing us their priority is that offensive line.

1191
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: He has already made those huge moves and I think

1192
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: they've done a nice job quickly.

1193
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: Can I give you three names for him in the draft?

1194
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: Real plates? So these will be talk about helping your quarterback,

1195
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: and the first one would be Gray's Abel out of

1196
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: North Dakota State. You trade back a little bit. I

1197
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: think he's going to be the best center in the draft.

1198
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: He's really good. He was excellent at the Senior.

1199
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: Bowl, and not just at ten. Then you I wouldn't.

1200
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: I would not have a problem with that. He's inching

1201
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: his way up my list.

1202
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: How about the center's doing so well in last year's class.

1203
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: Do you think that could have some impact?

1204
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt. Yeah, Tampa got that.

1205
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: Supposedly, that's supposed to be a position that takes forever

1206
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: to the other thing work out. But Zach Frasier was

1207
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: awesome right away and Graham Barton as you mentioning, because.

1208
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: This guy's played a crap ton of football, and that's

1209
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: one of the things we've seen. It's the impact of

1210
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: COVID nil the other stuff going with it that these

1211
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: guys have all played a zillion games. Grays Abels played

1212
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: a ton of games and they do a lot of

1213
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: pro style stuff. He's played. You can play up and

1214
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: down the line at every position at North Dakota State,

1215
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: So that one, I still I think you get him,

1216
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: even if he traded back a little bit. I mentioned

1217
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty there. I know you've got some running backs,

1218
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: but he takes you to another level with what you

1219
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: have with him coming out of Boise State. And then

1220
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren knowing you have Cole Comet, but let's be

1221
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: a twelve personnel team, we've got a creative offensive coordinator.

1222
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: You line up and you've got Tyler Warren and Cole

1223
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Comet who can both block as well as as be

1224
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 2: weapons in the passing game. And then you've got DJ

1225
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: Moore and Roma Doonza. Like that's kind of fun. All

1226
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 2: of a Sudden.

1227
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I love all those picks. I love that they're going

1228
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: to be in a good position to take offense. And yes,

1229
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: I agree DeAndre Swift and Cole Comet. I would put

1230
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: in the bucket of guys that would not prevent.

1231
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: You from elite player.

1232
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: Go get them, Go get them, Jeremiah, he's elite at

1233
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: what he does. Although I expected you to come at

1234
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: me a little harder on that showIn honestly, I like that.

1235
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of what gets me going.

1236
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: It's like, I be honest, it's like I was so

1237
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: blinded by the watch I couldn't even like formal thoughts.

1238
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: That's not even a takedown.

1239
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: We're going to be doing forties and free agents every

1240
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: single week throughout the draft process. Unless Jeremiah gets sick

1241
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: of me, we will talk to you after the free

1242
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: agency frenzy.