1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: will never told you a production of iHeartRadio and Welcome 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to I'm not sure how long of a run it 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: will be. We might do the whole thing of classics 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: around the Last of Us. Of when we started our 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Last of Us watch party, it feels so long ago, 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: and we didn't at the time. I didn't know it 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: was going to be a weekly episode thing that we did. 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: But if you are listening to this when it comes out, 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you've listened to me, the Last of 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Us Day is coming up, and it happens to be 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: the same day as Samantha's birthday. Birthday, Yes, and we 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: are going to Seattle, which happens to be where the 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: second one, a lot of the second one takes place. 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: And I've already got my Last of Us tour spots 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to hit up and I'm very, very excited. 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: And there has been a lot of news about the 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: second season, which is coming out before March. They haven't 19 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: said win, but they said it will be an Emmy contention, 20 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: which means it has to be before March, so it's 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: coming out. It's been a lot of interesting updates around it. 22 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts around what might happen, 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: but in the meantime, please enjoy the part one of 24 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: our Last of Us watch special. 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm not King of Stefan never told you protection of 27 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: iHeart radio and we are thrilled. I am thrilled. I 28 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: am so thrilled to launch a new segment. I'm sure 29 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: it's surprised to no one who's seen the title, but 30 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: the Last of Us show has premiered on HBO Max 31 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: not currently a sponsor. But if you know me, you 32 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: know I'm a huge fan. 33 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: Yes, a huge fan is an understatement. What are you 34 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: talking about? Like this? Is you just go ahead and 35 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: say you are an expert of the Last of Us? 36 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: I think that's it point. 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Point yes, yes, And originally we were going to just 38 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: make this kind of like my check in on how 39 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: we are enjoying it or what we're loving about it 40 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: or not loving about it as a happy hour, and 41 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: we recorded an original intro for that. But Samantha, who 42 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: is the best most support of co host, was like, 43 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: I think you should we should do a reaction to 44 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: every episode and it should be its own thing, and 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: you didn't have to twist my arm. 46 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: Right, let's innule hear in the in the pre recorded 47 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: intro where we talk about the fact that, yes, I 48 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: think we need to do a recap, we need to 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: have this conversation. It is riddled with amazing feminists and 50 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: women characters and film characters that I think we should 51 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: talk about anyway. Yes, it's a mistake that HBO iHeart 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: did not ask any to be a part of the 53 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: podcast to begin with, So we're going to correct that 54 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: course and do it ourselves. That's what I said. 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Yes, And I am so happy, like just even doing 56 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: this rerecord, I'm getting excited of the intro of the intro. 57 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: Everyone west the level we're talking about, and we are 58 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: going to talk about that more. I also wanted to 59 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: clarify there are going to be spoilers for the episodes 60 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about, but they're always going to come out 61 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: obviously after the episode has aired. I'm Samantha is doing 62 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: a very good job of rating me in so I 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: don't spoil the entire show. 64 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: As a team, we've got this. 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because Christina, super producer Christina is watching it 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: and I don't want to ruin it for her. I 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: don't want to ruin it for people who have miraculously, 68 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: in one way or another, avoided the spoilers of this 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: very show where I've talked about this game, these games 70 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: so so many times. There will be spoilers for the 71 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: episode we are talking about, which will be labeled and 72 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: omnous hints. I will say, there are some hints at 73 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: what's to come, but I also think like basically those 74 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: hints are it's grim like, it's an apocalypse show, and the. 75 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: Creators are the creators of Chernobyl and if you know 76 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: anything about that, it was tragic and said and all, yes. 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's about where we are. We just want 78 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: to clarify, clarify that I'm so excited to do this, 79 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: and I hope a bunch of you listeners join us 80 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: along their eye, and I hope that uh you are 81 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: enjoying it, will enjoy it. But yeah, So there will 82 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: be nine of these episodes. They're going to come out 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: on Saturdays so that you can easily search for them, 84 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: and they're kind of their own thing and for a 85 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: couple as long as the show is airing, which is 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: nine episodes, I believe the season finale is well, I'm 87 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: assuming season finale, not series finale, but that is March twelfth, 88 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: and so during that time some of my Happy Hours 89 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: will be replaced with classics. We're just doing a little 90 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: schedule switch. Yeah, yeah, and we might switch out the 91 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: name of our Sex and the City segments, which also 92 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: we should have separated into its own thing and HBO 93 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: should have paid us more. But whatever, we agreed. They 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: might be called throw back Thursdays, but it's the same thing, 95 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: and the Happy Hour will be back everybody. This is 96 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: a temporary thing, but we had to take the opportunity 97 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: and rork with it. We're gonna yes. So all that 98 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: being said, you might hear some things that are very 99 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: reminiscent of our Happy Hour segments, because that's what it 100 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: was originally. But yeah, let us get into it. So 101 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: what are you sitting on, Samantha. 102 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: Confession time, Both of us were talking about the fact 103 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: that last night was not a good night when it 104 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: comes to being rested. I don't know if it was 105 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: just an ANTSI night, or things were happening, or maybe 106 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: we're just excited about life whatever what not. So I 107 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: did not get a lot of sleep, and we have 108 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: a pretty long day of recording, as we do again 109 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: behind the curtains. We do this in chunks, so I'm 110 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: keeping it with my caffeinated black tea. Yes I am, 111 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: And that's how we're leaving it that you Trader Joe's 112 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: not a sponsor for making this winter wake up, which 113 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: is kind of chai ish I think flavor. So yes, 114 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: I'm keeping with the spicy warm tea. It is cold 115 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: and dreary and rainy right now, so it just felt fitting. 116 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean another peak behind the curtains is 117 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: last week we had some pretty severe weather. I know 118 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people did. We hope that you're all okay, 119 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: But we were actually recording a different happy hour that 120 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: was not about the Last of Us, and we had 121 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: to stop because I thought I heard a tornado outside 122 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: my window. And I had made a Dark and Stormy 123 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: because of the weather, and so I have made another 124 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: very modified not really a Dark and Stormy, but the 125 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: closest I can make it with the ingredients that I have, 126 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: which I think is very fitting for both the weather 127 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: and the Last of Us. Because, as we've talked about, 128 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this. I feel like whiskey is the 129 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: like I'm traumatized, anti hero go to drink. They always 130 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: go for whiskey. And Joel, who is the main character 131 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: of the first Last of Us, is no exception and 132 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: we saw him drink quite a lot of whiskey. 133 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: Right. The only exceptions, so that would be if they're 134 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: like Russian, it's a bad guy drunk. And then I 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: feel like Asian people have a difference. It's not whiskey, 136 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: it's different as something like the bad guys they typically 137 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: don't drink. And then I'm thinking about I'm thinking about 138 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: all the K dramas. They don't drink, like they're supposed 139 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: to be really disciplined, unless they are like a psychopath 140 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: bad guy. Yeah, then they may, which is hilarious because 141 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: that's K drama K actions. They're very extreme. That is 142 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: what I'm thinking about. 143 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: Yes, there is some variation, and like, if we ever 144 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: get out of the also drink responsibly if you choose 145 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: to do so. Yes, if we ever get out of 146 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: Terminus the fiction, the ongoing monthly fiction that we're reading 147 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: my other like very Close to my Heart story I 148 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: wrote she has. I wanted to make it purposely like 149 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: not one of those classic drinks, so her name is 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: Gin and she drinks gin, and people always make fun 151 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: of her because she drinks gin and her name is Gin, 152 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and she's not somebody who likes being made fun of. 153 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: But I like to mix that on the nose. 154 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was a fun little. 155 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 2: I like it. 156 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Yes, So I don't think it's any surprise to anyone. 157 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: I was so so excited about the Last of Us. Again, 158 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: I cannot emphasize enough they are not a sponsor. 159 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: Yes, and she's very upset about this, By the way. 160 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: I just think it's a missed opportunity. 161 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: It really is that they just don't understand how many times, Okay, 162 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: I need to put my caveat here a I have 163 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: the reason, I know as much as I do, I 164 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: still like I've blacked out, blacked out on so many 165 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: things because this is a whole traumatic journey. Just an FYI, 166 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: if you are not ready for a traumatic journey, this 167 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: might not be the show for you. I think it's 168 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: appropriate that the creators of Chernobyl is the one that's 169 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 2: creating this, just so you know. But I was introduced 170 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: to this game because Amy started playing it having arguments 171 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: with people about why it's the best there's a lot 172 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: of controversy. And then she was adamant that when we 173 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: were we were in quarantine. And you know, if you 174 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: have been listening for a while, you know that Annie 175 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,479 Speaker 2: pretty much lived with me on the weekend during quarantine 176 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: because we did not associate with anybody, and then we 177 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: just stayed in the house. At one point in time, 178 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: we all went to the beach together because we're like, yes, 179 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: let's go do this. Annie brought her giant PlayStation and 180 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: was like gotten. My partner, who was an avid gamer 181 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: as well, was like, play this because she just wanted 182 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: to watch what was happening, and she'd already played it 183 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: how many times at this point? Oh my good one truth? Truth, okay, 184 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: because but she wanted that perspective, and with that, they 185 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: it was like watching a movie. And they went through 186 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: not only Last of Us, but Last of Us too 187 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: and DLC yeah, and the DLC which Ree learned again. 188 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: But it was such a thing that not only did 189 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 2: they do this, Annie went back home and then got 190 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: all her friends to watch, and they are now all 191 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: caught up in this moment, like the excitement has been building. 192 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: When I tell you, Annie was so excited. I got 193 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: texts the day before. I think I got a text 194 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: a week before, the next day, the next day, the 195 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: next day, the next day, the day before, super excited. 196 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: The day she came in, we watched it together. She 197 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: was so excited all she could do was sit straight 198 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: back on the edge of her seat talking about what 199 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:43,119 Speaker 2: she expected. Was breathless in trying to explain how excited 200 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: she is sending me all these tech, random out of 201 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: nowhere texts about what she just read about the series, 202 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: like when I tell you it's a missed opportunity that 203 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: Annie did not get some kind of sponsorship bill, it's 204 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: a missed opportunity. But maybe they did it on purpose 205 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: because they know you love it so much you'll do 206 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: it anyway. 207 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: Probably they got me pegged. Oh yeah, it was. I was. 208 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: I felt like I could have floated away. 209 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: It looks like you were about to just watching you 210 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: literally space out, and I knew what was floating through 211 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: your head. I knew what was happening, but you kind 212 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: of looked like your head would kind of float, and 213 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: then your body was floating on the edge of the 214 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: seat like you were pushing forward and nothing was happening. 215 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: It was like five hours before the show was happening. 216 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: You were just sitting Yes, well, I because the reviews 217 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: had come in and a lot of you listeners actually 218 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: contacted me about it and thank you and sent me 219 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: articles about it. Because video games are have a great 220 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: history of being adapted, like they're kind of notoriously not 221 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: good when they're adapted to TV or movies. And this 222 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: is so close to my heart that when like the 223 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: reviews started coming in, they were so good. It's like 224 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: it was it unleashed something in me that I'd been 225 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: trying to keep tame, where I was like, I don't 226 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: know that I can be excited about this because they're 227 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: usually bad. And then what will I do because I've 228 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: talked about how much I love it, how good it is, 229 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: and then that happened, and then everyone else was getting excited, 230 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: and it's like, I think a week before something unleashed 231 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: in me. 232 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The week before is when 233 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: all of the messages started coming. We would have every 234 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: now and then talking about it, and then the reviews 235 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: are coming in and all of them were just glowing, 236 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: and you were having every minute. We saw some trailers 237 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: and the trailers were so on point with the game. 238 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: You were freaking out and I loved it. And I 239 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: want to say this, even though it is all joking 240 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: from my end, it is contagious. Well, Annie was so excited. 241 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: It makes other people really excited, Like, Yeah, one of 242 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: those things when I'm like, man, I wish I had 243 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: a hobby here or excited about something, because that's an 244 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: incredible feeling, Like I love seeing you do this, and 245 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: it is it's a joy to be around. Yeah, even 246 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: though the actual story is quite traumatic, and I think 247 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm really glad I know what's going to happen. I'm 248 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: really glad I know the whole story because I don't 249 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: think I could handle the show if I wasn't already prepared. 250 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: All of that to say is like, yeah, I know 251 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: you're super excited, and I know you sometimes get embarrassed 252 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: because you get so super excited, but you shouldn't because 253 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: I think it's such an amazing thing that you love 254 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: something in that depth of feeling that you feel such 255 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: a personal connection is beautiful when something is created like that. 256 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what the writers and creators want, is 257 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: for you to feel that depth. Of course, if it 258 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: controls your life, that's a whole different conversation, right, Yeah, 259 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: what you are doing and what I see you doing 260 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: is exciting in this contagious and that's why you got 261 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: probably one hundred and fifty thousand messages. 262 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: It made me panic. Yeah, I'm really glad to hear 263 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: you say that, because I do get self conscious about it. 264 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: And I actually one of the friends who hung out 265 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: with us, Marissa, who's been on the show and who's 266 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: a great friend of ours and listens and thank you, 267 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. The next day, I texted her and 268 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so sorry because she was sitting 269 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: next to me. I was like, I'm so sorry. I 270 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: was trying to like control my excitement, but I know 271 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: it was like a lot. I was kidding so like 272 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: because I kept like grabbing around and like ooh is 273 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: that And she was like are you kidding? Like let 274 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: it fly? 275 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you found the best person to do 276 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: that with because she was on that level too. Yeah, 277 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: like she's not on that level of excitement of the show, 278 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: but on that level of connecting with you, connecting with 279 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: the show. 280 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. I was thinking about this too, 281 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: because I am somebody who I love watching TV shows 282 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: with friends. I love sharing entertainment with friends and that's 283 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: like my love language. But I have sort of built 284 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: myself into a trap with this one because everyone knows 285 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: I love The Last of Us and so everyone and 286 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, go crime me a river. You 287 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: have friends, I know. But everyone was like, why did 288 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: you not watch it with me? Why can't we watch 289 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: it together? I want to be the first time you 290 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: see it. And I'm like, I cannot have fifty people 291 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: in a viewing party for the last But I'm so 292 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: sorry because I actually like, I like a small group. 293 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: This is the thing that's really important to me. I 294 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: want everybody to watch it. I'll watch it with you again. 295 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: I'll be there, but I can't be everywhere at once. 296 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: This is where I get the brag. I have to 297 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: be there. 298 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did. You were very kind and supported 299 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: me and my love of it, and you did watch 300 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: Because the game is like fifteen hours long, the first 301 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: one fifteen hours. 302 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: I will say, I think I've forgotten d a bit 303 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: of it because part of the game was so long. 304 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: I just fell asleep in the middle of some of it. 305 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Wow, you're in for a good time and 306 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: I do. So we're like, we said, we're probably going 307 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: to do a couple of these. And if you're listening 308 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: to this and you're like, this doesn't feel very feminist, 309 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: I promise I have. I have thoughts about things that 310 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: relate to feminism. We've also done several episodes in the 311 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: past about the Last of Us, the Last of Us 312 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: two Survival Horror, and in fact, old hosts of the show, 313 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Christen Caroline they knew I was a gamer and they 314 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: asked me once like, who is a character in video 315 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: games who was a woman or girl who you think 316 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: is like really innovative or connected with a lot of people. 317 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: And I said, Ellie. It's Ellie and that the game 318 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: came out in twenty thirteen and she felt very new then, 319 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: and uh. 320 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: Well sen years old. 321 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I don't think I yes, it came 322 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: out twenty thirteen, so new to me. Yes. And if 323 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: you noticed in the show, I promise I'm going to 324 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: try not to do this so much. But in the 325 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: showy they set it the kind of like setting of 326 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: the scene when all the sad stuff in the beginning happens, 327 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: when the outbreak happens. It's in twenty it's in two 328 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: thousand and three, and I think that's so that the 329 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: show is set like currently in our modern year. But 330 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: they did shift the date because in the original game, 331 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: the outbreak day is twenty thirteen, so they pushed it 332 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: back by ten years. These are all the facts I 333 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: was trying to hold in while we were watching it. 334 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: No, but this is what you need to share. So 335 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: you need I don't know why you just said I 336 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: won't do too many of these. You need to do 337 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: more of these because this is what you do. What 338 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: are you talking about. Come on, so let's get into. 339 00:18:47,680 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: This so you know. If you don't for however, you've 340 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: avoided it and you don't know. The Last of Us 341 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: is a PlayStation game that came out in twenty thirteen. 342 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: It is one of the most highly rewarded games of 343 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: all time. It is pretty much like a movie, and 344 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: when it came out it was a lot of the 345 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: most popular games were open world games, so those are 346 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: games where you can like do whatever you want. You 347 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: can go explore and you can make choices with your 348 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: character that affect the ending or affect what happens. The 349 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: Last of Us is very much like a movie. You 350 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: do make choices as a character, but they're not going 351 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: to change the story as a whole. It's not going 352 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: to change the ending. And that was one of the 353 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: biggest critiques of it. Like most people loved it. It 354 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: was highly praised, but most people who tell me they 355 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: didn't like it, it's because it's like a movie and 356 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: they can't change the ending even though they want to. 357 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: But it was really interesting reading that, And I swear 358 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't normally do this. I bet it sounds so unbelievable, 359 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: but I actually don't normally read a bunch of like 360 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: interviews and stuff because it makes me nervous. But the 361 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: interviews of how they adapted this and the process of 362 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: how they did it, we're fascinating because the creator said, like, 363 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: the reason I did that was Joel wouldn't do that. 364 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: Joel wouldn't that's like not his story, and he needs 365 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: the character and this is how it plays out, and 366 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of a lot of refuse. Had said, that's 367 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: like the definition of the tragedy is you can't stop it. 368 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: It's like you see it unfolding and it's too bad. 369 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: But it is so much like a movie already that 370 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: when I was watching it last night. I've watched it 371 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: like six times already. I watched it this morning. It's 372 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: it's already there like in the game, and so much 373 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: of it is, oh, this is exactly like the game. 374 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: And I never want anything to be beholden to do 375 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: something like that because they're different mediums, the game and 376 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: the movie, and in fact, the creator stepped away from 377 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: the movie the show because it is different when a 378 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: person can control the camera and the viewpoint versus like 379 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: you the director picking the shot. But it was like 380 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: all there, like the imagery. I was like, oh, there's 381 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: the burning house, and there's the guitar. You know, I 382 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: saw the guitar. 383 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So that's the significance. I might not 384 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: know it yet, Yes, it is the guitar. 385 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: Well, they already introduced stuff from the second one, which 386 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, who knows if they'll ever make the sequel, 387 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: But there was the there's the guitar. There's a bunch 388 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: of little things they did. I was like, oh, okay, okay, 389 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: but it's a yeah, it's basically like a zombie outbreak. 390 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: It's very frightening, like the setting setting up scene they 391 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: had with the two scientists in the sixties who were like, actually, 392 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: we should really be afraid of this flungol thing. What 393 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: if the temperature goes up and then they can take 394 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: us over? Gave me and there's already all these like 395 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: theories I love, Like you have sent me some, your 396 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: partner sent me some about like where did it start? 397 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: How did it come from? And oh, super exciting but 398 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: basically zombie outbreak not good. Billions of people and the 399 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: opening scene is where you meet Joel and his daughter 400 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: Sarah and it's his birthday and everything everything goes so 401 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: so wrong. And as you texted me in some of 402 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: these random texts, we'd exchange with each other. Nico Parker, 403 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: who plays Sarah, it looks exactly like that Andy Newton, 404 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: her mom, and she was definitely like the breakout like 405 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: so many people were praising her and they should have been. 406 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: She did an amazing job. She did uh huh uh, 407 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: and that I loved. One of the things that is 408 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: tricky about adapting a video game is a lot of 409 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: times there's a pressure to do the shots, like Doom 410 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: is sort of an infamous example where all of a 411 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: sudden there's like a first person shooter shot that doesn't work. 412 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: The whole thing, but that part where Tommy and Joel 413 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: and Sarah are driving away and you're seeing all these 414 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: signs of like the world is ending. These planes are crashing, 415 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: this house is on fire. There's zombies. That shot the 416 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: way it is in the game, where it's sort of 417 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: like you're looking out the windshield. I just thought it 418 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: was so effective. It looked so cool, but it was 419 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: also kind of you could never tell what would be 420 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: around the corner with that shot. Oh, I loved it. 421 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm being so excited. I did already 422 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: like plot out where I think every episode's gonna go 423 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: and every episode has a tragedy in it, just so 424 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty sure it's not. It's a very 425 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: sad tale, and I'm going to talk about this more 426 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: at the end, but I'm very interested and excited to 427 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: see how people feel about the ending of it. So 428 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: there are a couple things I wanted to bring out. 429 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: One of them is Okay. First of all, the clickers, 430 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: who you only hear at the end. The clickers are 431 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: very creepy zombies everybody. I can't wait, But their voice 432 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: by the same actors they used. 433 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: To that time. Yeah, and I heard a couple of them. Actually, 434 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: may a couple of the clickers may be them? 435 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think so. I think so oh oh. 436 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: For anyone who's listening and you're like, what are you 437 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: talking about? I cannot wait for you. But the character Marlene, 438 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: who is coming up on Fictional Women around the World, 439 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite characters and is played by 440 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: the original voice actor Merle Dandridge. Amazing looks just like 441 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: her so good. She's the leader of the Fireflies. There 442 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: were a couple of times during the show where I 443 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: was like, I wonder what it's like if you go 444 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: into this and you have no idea what they're talking about. 445 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: But the Fireflies are kind of like fighting against the 446 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: government entities that run the core teen zones, and they're 447 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: trying to find some way to get back to the 448 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: world that it was some way to get back to 449 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: democracy all of those things. So like when in the Darkness. 450 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: Milicia yes outscarded Militia. 451 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: Right Movement Yes, so yeah, they're saying is look for 452 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 1: the light. And throughout that episode you see instances of 453 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: skirmishes with the military entity which is FEDRA and FEDERA 454 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: controls like the quarantine zones, they control your education, they 455 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: control your food, they control your jobs, that whole thing. 456 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: So she's the leader of the fireflies in Boston, and 457 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: this is something I've found really interesting in late media, 458 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: and Or was a good example as well the New 459 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: Star Wars show. She's the leader of this thing, and 460 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: it's clear she has a lot of really tough decisions. 461 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: So at one point she says rebellions take time, and 462 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: another point she says Tommy is just one man, implying 463 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: like we have to sacrifice him or we have to 464 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: put our you know, resources where we can. And then 465 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, she makes this deal 466 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: with Joel, who they don't have a good relationship. Joel 467 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: is kind of a smuggler, traumatize what happened in the 468 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: beginning to his daughter, just like a real shut off individual. 469 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: Uh and Tess, who will be talking about a second 470 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: to transport Ellie, this young fourteen year old girl across 471 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: the country. And that moment was so tough when you 472 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: know how it ends, because she's like, please, don't get up, 473 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm trusting you, and you're. 474 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: Like, all right, everybody's going to get a little anxio, 475 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: So pull back and he pulled back, get so far, 476 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: gets far. 477 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: Ahead, but it was just like every time I'm like, 478 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: ooh what a yeah, But I don't know. I think 479 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: we should come back and talk about that because I 480 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: feel like we've seen a lot of instances of these 481 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: women characters who are the leaders. I think you could 482 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: even make the argument Lea in some ways, but are 483 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: like making these really tough decisions, and then a lot 484 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: of the men in their life are kind of like 485 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: getting angry with them or judging them or like you're 486 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: being cold or whatever it is, which is not like 487 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: it's this whole story. I'm just going to tell you 488 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: because the reviews kept cracking me up. This whole story 489 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: is complicated. There's no like one instance where you're like, oh, 490 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: that was the complete right choice. There's just isn't and 491 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: it's like, right, a lot of it's complicated and nuanced 492 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: and not pretty. It doesn't it's not happy. 493 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: Right, So maybe we should go ahead and tell you. 494 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: And I think we talked about this before. You talked 495 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: about this before, definitely when we were talking about the 496 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: actual game. This game makes you choose lesser evils, and 497 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: in that many people hated this game because of that. 498 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: What most people want is a z and a villain, 499 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: and this does not really have that. You do have villains, 500 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: but you don't really have heroes. That's not really a thing, 501 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: I don't think. So, you know, the conversation of anti heroes, 502 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: and we've talked about that before, really does apply for 503 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: the show. Of course, we're anticipating some changes and what 504 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: people are going to do with characters and what people 505 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: are going to do just because they love the actors 506 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: who are portraying these characters. So that's a bias in itself. 507 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: I think that's going to be interesting to see, especially 508 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: people's reaction, because a good show draws you in with 509 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: that character, and then those biases can make or break 510 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: how you feel about the show, and I think that's 511 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: interesting to know. So for sure, the Last of Us 512 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: is one of those, and in the game because it's 513 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: a little different as a person who never played it 514 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: versus the person who has, because you are actually in 515 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: their shoes, you are making these decisions instead of watching 516 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: someone else make a decision and feeling removed from it. 517 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one of the things I'm very curious about, 518 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: especially if they do the second one, because it does 519 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: force you to even if you don't want to connect 520 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: with this person that you're controlling. And that's one of 521 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: the beauty I think of video games. A good video 522 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: game is you just get pulled in and you're like, oh, 523 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: I didn't like, maybe your mind will change or whatever, 524 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: and you'll you'll feel something for them, even if they're bad, 525 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: and even if you don't agree with them. And yeah, 526 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: again like good and Bader, so like simplistic terms in 527 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: this conversation. And that was something that I kept coming 528 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: across in reviews because most interviews I read they'd never 529 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: played the game, which I loved. I loved how they 530 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: described it as like being repeatedly punched in the heart 531 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yep. But they would say, like, you know, one, 532 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: is this what's happening? And that we didn't know these 533 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: kind of stories were being told in video games. Yes 534 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: they are, but too like there's no easy answers, and 535 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: they were curious how audiences were going to react to that. 536 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: And I am also curious. I do want to mention 537 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: test real quickly because tests in the game, she's like 538 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: the partner of Joel. I feel like they gave her 539 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: more of a leadership role in the show than she 540 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: has in the game, or at least from what you see, 541 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: because she says like he answers to me about Joel, 542 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: So I'm curious. I'm curious about that. But she's also 543 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: pretty harden like seeing some. 544 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: Sh She's the rational one. This is the thing about 545 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: the game, and I was going to come back to 546 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: both she and Marlene are the rational ones. They have 547 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: to pick and choose. So they set aside what they 548 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: want or what they're afraid of, or if they're angry 549 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: or not, and then go to Okay, this is the 550 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: most feasible way to do this without people getting hurt. 551 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: Let's do it this way. Just talk to me. I 552 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: got you because spoiler. And again, at the very beginning, 553 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: we see all the people who have dealt with Joe 554 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: at this time and point know that he's a violent, 555 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: angry man who has outbursts, yes, and so you have 556 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: her controlling that, and then Marlene is controlling all of 557 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: the fireflies and even Ellie when we meet Ellie, because 558 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: Elie is ready to like punch people and a lead 559 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: at this point stab people. We saw that. So it's 560 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: very different in that route that these two leaders women 561 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: leaders are the ones that's like, put your emotions aside, right, 562 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: you have to do what's best for today, for our people, for. 563 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: Us, right, which I find fascinating because I think they're 564 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: judged more harshly. And this actually brings us to my 565 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: next point. And I'm going to try not to like 566 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: spoil it too much, but I have like talked about 567 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: this before in the show, because I've, in my opinion, 568 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the ending of the first game, the way it's shot, 569 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: the character you're playing at that moment, because you don't 570 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: play Joel the whole time, to me, suggest that we 571 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: need to question the morality or what just happened. I 572 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: don't think the ending is meant to be read as 573 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: a good thing. That was never the suggestion I got. 574 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: That was not how I felt like they were communicating it, 575 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: with how they shot it and how it ends. But 576 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: what happens when fandom We've talked about this before a lot. 577 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: With Star Wars, We've talked about this a lot. What 578 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: happens when fandom doesn't read it the way I personally 579 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: think it was intended. And you can get into really 580 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: murky grounds with that, because you know, we all bring 581 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: our own experiences and interpretations to art. We all do, 582 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: but I feel like it says a lot about how 583 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: people interacted with that ending, and I think that's I'm really, really, 584 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: really curious how that's going to play out in the show. 585 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: I have my opinion, and I told you what it is, 586 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna check back in at the end and 587 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: see if I was right. But like what happens when 588 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: when you present something in this one way and like 589 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: your message was this isn't a good thing, and people 590 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: take away no, it was, What does that mean? And 591 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about our society, and 592 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: it does go back to how we judge I think 593 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: how we judge men and women, and like even going 594 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: back to like the whole conversation we had about toxic 595 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: masculinity and the Mandalorian, which, by the way, the new 596 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: trailer came out today, which I know they did on purpose, 597 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: but like being praised for being violent in protection of 598 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: an innocent especially like a young girl or a woman, 599 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: as you know, like this masculine thing that we should 600 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: get behind, whereas in the second one that was not 601 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: the reaction at all when it was women. That's just 602 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: something I'm sitting on. I'm thinking about I'm very curious 603 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: about how they're going to do it, especially because they 604 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: said they tried to make Joel nicer in the show 605 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: as opposed to the game. We'll see how that plays out, 606 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: you know. I also want to come back and I 607 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: want to talk about sad murdered Dad trope, but that 608 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: whole yeah, like justifying these men's reactions versus women's. So 609 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: he's Joel's kind of Yeah, this more like combative emotional 610 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: one where Marlene and Tess are trying to keep things running. Also, 611 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: I want to come back and talk about this whole 612 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: Daddy's a state of mind thing, which Pedro Pascal who 613 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: did an amazing job, so did Bella Ramsey. I think 614 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: I like already know the answer, but we need to 615 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: revisit like this, this attraction women have for that. Yeah. Yeah. 616 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: I also think that there's something happen here which I 617 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: kind of jokingly call the Han Solo syndrome, which is 618 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: when a character is supposed to be like I don't know, 619 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: Like we're not supposed to think this guy is like 620 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: the best guy, but then everybody loves that guy and 621 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, and then let me go rewrite the 622 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: story of how Greido shot first a million times, so 623 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: he's like a better guy this. I don't know if 624 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: they're going to do that or not, but when I 625 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: read that they were making him nicer, I was kind 626 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: of like, huh, okay, well see, I don't know because 627 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: the first episode I was like nicer. 628 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: Said that, like the reactions he had were more violent 629 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 2: than it was even in the game. 630 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some of that is, like I'm not 631 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: a super violent player and some people are. And that's 632 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: another issue, is because I was thinking about this where 633 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: the ending I do believe was meant to be, I've 634 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: been very least ambiguous, but you're still kind of playing 635 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: this violent character who you are connecting to because you're 636 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: playing him. But for me, I'm not that kind of 637 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: like super violent player, but some people are, and so 638 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the nicer part is just like 639 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: for a certain type of play. We'll see. But yeah, 640 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: I think like it's such a well written story. There 641 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: are certainly problematic aspects of it, but it's such a 642 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: like well written story, and so many of the reviews 643 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: I kept seeing were like, you know, this is like 644 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: a story about humanity and connection and at a time 645 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: where it's survival. It's like your whole thing and how 646 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: does that look? And how can we as humans survive 647 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: in this? And so there are happy moments. I know, 648 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: I've been painting a very bleak, very bleak thing right now. 649 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 2: It's a zombie apocalypse. Yeah you're going to good bleak. Yeah, 650 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: I know why you're trying to add like there's definitely 651 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: gonna be a party in here. 652 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: There's not, no, But there are some like brief shining 653 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: moments of joy. There are I'm looking forward to. They're 654 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: expanding on some stories, especially queer stories, that I'm excited 655 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: to see in the show. But yeah, I mean, I 656 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: think that characters are so well written and that you know, 657 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: the fears I read in the reviews, I don't think 658 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: are unfounded because it is not a fun show. It's 659 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: not an easy ending, but I think that's like a 660 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: sign of like a well written story in characters. And 661 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean I also like a very like straightforward, I 662 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: don't have to cry and everything episode. But like you 663 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, I think they did it very well. 664 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. It looked beautiful, it was beautifully acted, 665 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: beautifully written, and it felt like a It was like 666 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: the game, but in a way that didn't feel like 667 00:37:42,560 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: they were doing too much fan service, if that makes sense, right, Yeah. 668 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 2: So I agree with you. I think it definitely sets 669 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: up really well. They did a great job in beginning it. 670 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot of differences. We know that the spread 671 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: of the virus is different in the game than is 672 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: in the he that is in the show, and some 673 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 2: people have already picked that apart. As a bystander, I'm like, why, 674 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 2: it's a disease, it's gonna happen. 675 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: To calm down. 676 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 2: But on the other note, there was some theories about Flower, 677 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: you know, yes, so if you're watching, look for the 678 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 2: details about how and who gets infected and like what's 679 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 2: being denied and hint. I found that interesting as well. 680 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: But and they found like, when we first were talking 681 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: about the series happening, you were so cautious. Yeah, and 682 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 2: you stayed very cynical to that. You're like, bad adaptation. 683 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: Adaptations have happened. There's a lot of controversies around this game. 684 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get excited. I'm not gonna get excited. 685 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: She did get excited, so we're just gonna put that 686 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: at the end. But we were guessing about who's gonna 687 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 2: play these characters, and we even like did a whole 688 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 2: setup of like who should play these characters. I'm not 689 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: gonna lie. Pedro Pascal was not on my list, Bella 690 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: Ramsey was not on my list. But then when you 691 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 2: come back and like, oh wow, they did an amazing job. 692 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 2: Both of them have done a great job in portraying 693 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: this character, even the brother who plays Tommy. They don't 694 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: look anything alike, but they sound and act exactly. I 695 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 2: know this is acting, but you also know when you 696 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 2: have a picture in their mind and it doesn't fit, 697 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: it kind of shatters, shatters the dream and in the 698 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 2: fantasy of it. But it didn't. They did such a 699 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: good job. Even with the daughter Nico Parker. She is 700 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: an English actress, or I think she's English. I know 701 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 2: her mother's English, so I'm trying to imagine that that's 702 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 2: the case. Can't comes in and like, she is not 703 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 2: what we saw in the game, But she did phenomenal 704 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: and it didn't shatter that fantasy at all. She was 705 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 2: to a Pascal starter Sarah who had suffered this tragedy, 706 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 2: and I love the fact that the difference in this game, 707 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 2: they did a more and in the game they do 708 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 2: see it from her star point of view, but they 709 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 2: linkedined her story even bigger. Yeah, it was gorgeous to 710 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 2: see like it was gorgeous, but it was still on 711 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 2: point with the game, so it didn't shatter anybody who 712 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: had played the game from their idea of what this 713 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 2: should be. So I think that was a brilliant beginning. 714 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, that note. Yeah, and they did really well with 715 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: her because you learn more about Sarah very very slowly, 716 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: but you do learn more about Sarah through the game, 717 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: and she was very smart and she like love museums 718 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So they put like all of 719 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: those little. 720 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 2: Cues of her shirt was on point. 721 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: The shirt was on point. Yeah, that was one of 722 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: the first things. I was like, those shorts. 723 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: In the game, She's wearing this shirt. Yes, so they 724 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 2: shoot to replicate that did a phenomenal job. She was 725 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 2: just getting excited. 726 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: We were going to going to Well that was like 727 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: I'll close on this note, like I hope that it 728 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: continues to be this way. But one of the reasons 729 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: I was worried was because we know, get the gaming 730 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: world is full of toxicity, and the last of us 731 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: two it was shocking how much toxicity the first one. 732 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: I've made the point before and I think is I 733 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: would argue is true is because you're playing a male 734 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: character who's protecting a young girl. That didn't come out 735 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: as much. But like Bella Ramsey has talked about getting 736 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 1: like all these haters after they were cast, and so far, 737 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: I was expecting review bombing even though the first one 738 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: is still well liked. So far that hasn't happened. But 739 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: I'm like still a little little nervous, especially I think 740 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: episode three and some of you know what I'm talking about. 741 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: I think that's where we're white see some things in 742 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: terms of like review bombing. But I just I've been 743 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: happy that that hasn't happened yet. But I hate that 744 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: that's like even a thing where I was like, I'm 745 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: afraid to get excited about this thing that I love 746 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: because of these bad actors in this space. 747 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, again we talked about that level and 748 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 2: you're not the only one, but the different content creators, 749 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: not even anybody involved in the game who said they 750 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: l like this game, yeap got hated on. Like it 751 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 2: was like incredible, the level of vitriol that came out 752 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 2: of a character or a change in character, changing perspective. 753 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 2: Naughty Dog knew what they were doing and kind of 754 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 2: trolling those who already would like trying to hate this game. 755 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: They sure did, they shar did well. Oh my gosh, 756 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: I am so excited now I cannot wait for the 757 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: next one. I will be doing more of these. Hopefully 758 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: you enjoy it, whether you watch it or not, because 759 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: I know some of you have written in and said 760 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: I've never played the game, but I love talking about 761 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: it and that makes me really happy. So yes, look 762 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: for more of these, I promise when one percent we 763 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: are not currently sponsored by them. But yeah, I mean, 764 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: come on, come on, because I think in the next one, 765 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot more to say about Ellie, 766 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: because we did get too much of Ellie in this one. 767 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 2: No, we get a slight introduction, her attitude, her nice 768 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 2: skills and infected but not infected. 769 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: M m, although there is a big theory about that 770 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: that's for a lad date. Well, thank you, thank you, 771 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Samantha. This was your idea and 772 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: you didn't really have to trus my arm. Yeah I didn't. 773 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm into it, and listeners, I would love to hear 774 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: what you think. If you have any thoughts, please let 775 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: us know. You can email s Stephanie Mom Stuff at 776 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. You can find us on Twitter. 777 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm also podcast on Instagram or TikTok oh and if 778 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: this video is on TikTok we did not put on 779 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,479 Speaker 1: any makeup, so oh well, stuff Mom never told you. 780 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: And thanks as always to our super producer Christina. 781 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 2: Sorry for the spoilers, Christina, We love. 782 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: You, yes, but please watch it Christina if you haven't already, 783 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: And thanks to you for listening. Stuff on Ever Told You, 784 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 785 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: you can check out the heart Radio app. Have a 786 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: podcast where you listen to your favorite shows.