WEBVTT - Are Generations Even a Thing? 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.760 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.280 Chuck and Jerry's here. Just a few gen xers hanging 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:22.600 doing our thing, being too cool for you, drinking mountain 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.840 dew code red and that's it. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.800 Wow, look at you on fire already. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.040 I don't know about that. I could have done a 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.000 lot better, but that was off the dome. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.000 Yeah, but well, off the dome, that's probably a millennial 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.720 or gen Z saying I got that from you, Well, 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.839 I got that from Nol. Oh. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.040 Well, Nole's definitely a millennial. Yeah, he is a millennial 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.200 through and through. As we'll see what the birth cohort 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.360 that Nol and every one of his age cohort was 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:00.760 born into are exactly alike, and they're different from everybody 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.240 older and younger. And it's pure science that's proven that. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:05.559 Yeah. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.920 And by the way, we're talking about Noel co host 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.559 obviously of stuff they don't want you to know, among 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.040 other great things that he's done, including former. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.760 Mini movie Crush co host. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.880 Yeah. I didn't know if you were going to say 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.440 that for a second. I was going to jump in 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.520 and be like, uh, don't forget Movie Crush. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.600 Yeah, yeah, he hosted those minis with me. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.160 Yeah, for sure, Andy was he produced him too, right. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.120 Yeah, he produced him for a while, and then I 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:36.480 think Noel even took the reins and hosted two great 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.680 episodes by himself. If anyone as a fan of John 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.200 Cameron Mitchell, Oh yeah, Kesha? 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.800 Oh wow, like Kesha was on Yeah. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.040 Two of the bigger gets on Movie Crush were nol episodes. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.520 Wow, what was Kesha's favorite movie? 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.440 You know, I'm pretty great at remembering all of the 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.400 guests that I had, but I don't. I don't remember 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.320 Kesha or John Cameron Mitchell's. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.600 Oh okay, well we'll look it up someday. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.240 Yeah, it was something great. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:07.200 Yeah. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.959 I remember when Noel, when you made him producer, he 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.560 let that go to his head. He started wearing like 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.040 pastel blazers with the sleeves rolled up, and he was 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.480 always like sniffing and like touching his nose. He was 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.320 Uber producer for a while. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.400 He got an ascot, which was a little much, but. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:28.000 It started hanging with Bronson Pincho. So we're talking today 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.000 about generations. That's why I mentioned that we're all Generation X, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.560 and I was being facetious earlier when I said this 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.160 is all proven by science. Apparently it's not at all 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.320 proven by science. It's really not particularly scientific. And the 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.839 whole thing, actually, when you start to dig into it, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:52.520 was this sociological almost intellectual debate that got somehow manhandled 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.400 and taken over by marketing who now use it to 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.519 make money. Essentially. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.359 Yeah, see what I found interesting about this and I 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.440 commissioned this one because it just the whole idea of 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.880 generations fascinates me. But you know, you'll hear us say 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.080 things like, well, it's all it was all a marketing 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:15.680 thing basically to sell people stuff, and it's really people 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.880 feel commonalities or there are commonalities and people around the 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.800 same age because of these reasons. But that's also sort 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.600 of being a part of the generation that you're dubbed. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.600 Right, there are actual, like decent explanations that sociologists have 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.080 come up with, but they're not. The problem is is 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.720 that you can't paint an entire group of people with 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.000 that same brush, and that's what people try to do. Yeah, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.800 and then also those same market researchers that always hype 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.800 and their generational researchers, even though they're not really scientists. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.720 They're market researchers. If they it would be so much 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.560 more honest if they were, like, here's what a lot 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.360 of kids, the cool kids are into today, start selling 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.720 to them like that, not like this entire generation is 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.080 like this specific group of well to do, white suburban 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:07.400 kids essentially exactly. But it's so interesting to talk about, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.520 So let's talk about it a little bit, because there 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.640 are generations that seem to have really like are paying 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.880 attention to them? Really kind of started in the beginning 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.479 of the twentieth century. That's when people started thinking about 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:19.200 this kind of thing. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:20.280 Yeah, for sure. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.440 So we're going to kind of go through since they've 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.800 been dubbing generation specific generations here in the United States, 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.440 we're going to go through them to begin with. And 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.919 I think it's a good just sort of primer for 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.960 when you're hanging out and talking about this kind of 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.960 thing with other people. You'll know all this stuff. Because 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.599 there was one or two that slipped in there that 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:43.159 I kind of forgot about, like the Lost Generation. Yeah, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.760 that was the first one, right, Yeah. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.480 So they were born between eighteen eighty three and nineteen hundred. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.479 They came of age during World War One, which was 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.080 like a massive catastrophe for the entire world for everyone, 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.520 Like nothing had ever happened like that before in the 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.159 history of humanity. Yeah, it was just a really big deal. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.359 And this was the group that came of age during 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.920 that time, and they're called the Lost Generation. Gertrude Stein 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.760 called them that. But there's they had a loss of 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.159 friends and family to death in the war, loss of 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.000 limbs to land mines, loss of faith and institutions and 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.599 the traditional values that got everybody to World War One. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.560 It was a big deal, and those kids were the 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.760 ones who went on to become the rebellious jazz age people. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.560 Yeah, and I'm glad we're saying where these came from, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.600 because that was one of the big kind of curiosities 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.640 I had, was like, who even thinks of these names? 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:36.200 Right? 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.000 And in most of these cases we can trace it 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.440 back to when a person said it first, like in print. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.599 Usually that doesn't mean they're the people who dreamed it up, sure, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.160 but specifically in this case, it was from the book 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.680 The Sun Also Rises, and the epigraph Earnest Hymmingway quoted 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.800 Stein saying, you are all a lost generation. So it 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.520 looked that one looks pretty clear cut. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:00.000 Yeah, the next sentence was too bad, So sad. Your dad, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.920 Hemingway had a way of turning a phrase. Yeah, who 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.920 was next, Chuck? Who was after the Lost Generation? 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.159 Well, the Greatest Generation from nineteen oh one to nineteen 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.800 twenty seven. Yeah, and you're also going to notice that 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.840 the years are going to fluctuate a little bit, because 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.000 there's not a set science to any of this. As 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.480 you said, even though there's this one dude that will 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.240 learn later is like, we should just make it fifteen 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.480 years moving forward. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.080 Right, Yeah, because the first show one was seventeen years 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.839 and then this one's twenty six years. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:30.479 Yeah, exactly. This is obviously the generation. I guess it 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.440 would be like our grandparents who lived through the Great 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:39.120 Depression and were, you know, defended freedom against the Nazis 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:39.960 in World War Two. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.320 And this is. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.920 One name wise that came about. The name came about 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:48.159 much later. Well, I'll go ahead and say who ended 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.960 up naming it, and then maybe you can take what 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.960 the original name was. But Tom Brokaw wrote the book 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.040 The Greatest Generation, and that was nineteen ninety eight, and 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.640 that really took off and kind of stuck. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.360 Oh yeah, that was a big deal. I remember when 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.359 that came out. I can hear Tom Brokaw saying I 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.840 can't do an impression of it, but I can hear 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.040 him saying it and talking about it. But essentially he 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.000 wrote this book about just profiling different veterans, I think, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.720 mostly everyday people, and essentially collectively said like, these are 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.840 the people who grew up in the depression. They faced 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.800 genuine deprivation in many many cases collectively too. And then 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.760 they went on and were called to like, go fight 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.120 the Nazis in World War Two, Right, so there's nobody before. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.000 Since that's done this kind of stuff, hats off to you, 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.360 greatest generation. And they sat back and were like, we'll 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.160 take this, sure, keep going, bro Caw. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:41.360 That's right. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.480 And since you didn't do what I set you up 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.560 to do, I'll do that part. They were not always 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.800 the greatest generation. There were these two generational theorists, theorists 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.240 or theorists, Neil Howe and William Strauss, and they actually 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.080 coined the term millennial, but they had previously labeled that 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.880 generation the GI generation, the greatest generation. And then Brokaw 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.760 came along. I used to do a bro call weirdly 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.360 can you try now, I don't remember. It was more 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.080 about cadence than the actual voice, because he always sounded 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.200 like he was just out of breath or something like that. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.040 Oh, that's pretty good. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.840 It was a breathing thing for him. It always felt 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.520 like he was just about to inhale, but he couldn't 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.640 quite get there, which is sad. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.440 Enough of that GI generation though, stuff or the GI 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.000 generation I said it wrong. Let's get back to brokawn 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:32.520 his book. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.280 I mean, what do you need to know? 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.120 It was a huge book, came out in nineteen ninety eight. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:39.640 Yeah, I already said that. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.960 Oh okay, kit, I just wanted to make sure all 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.040 of our teas were crossed and our eyes were dotted. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.000 Sure we could say it the third time, if that 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.000 really you know, if you want to drive book sales. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:48.400 Hit it up. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.760 Nineteen ninety eight. Everybody very nice, still, dear. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.959 So let's move on to the next generation. This is 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.319 called the Silent generation. This is where my dad was born. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.679 And he actually fits this bill pretty well. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:01.880 Yeah. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.320 I think my mom I can't remember the year, but 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.000 I'm pretty sure she was this silent generation as well. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.560 It makes sense. We're we're of that age that would 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:11.600 that would make sense. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.400 Yeah, I mean, just on the cusp of boomerdom. But 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.520 silent Generation is I guess maybe so dubbed because they're 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.400 between the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers, who got 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.080 way more attention, and the Silent Generation was just sort 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.600 of wedge there and like kind of quietly wedged there 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:29.600 in the middle doing their thing. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.920 Yes. Also though they I guess the whole thing comes 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.280 from a Time article or essay written in nineteen fifty 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.079 one anonymously weirdly, I guess, because this person was criticizing 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:41.880 their own generation. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:43.400 Yeah, maybe, but. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.360 They said they called them the silent generation. They said, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.119 it does not issue manifestos, make speeches or carry posters. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.240 It has been called the silent generation. And I think 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.760 they mean by me, and like they were just basically saying, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.760 like that, our parents did all this amazing stuff and 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.680 we're just we don't do anything. We're the silent generation. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.040 So that makes sense. And then also I guess the 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.160 silent generation describes them. They're supposed to be cautious conformist. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.400 That's another reason they're called the silent generation. So that's 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.480 you know, I guess it all kind of adds up. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.720 Yeah, But again there. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.480 You know, I think Dave put this together and he 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.000 points out, you know, Andy Warhol and Nina Simone and 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.600 Gloria Steinem and Bob Dylan were all from this generation. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.800 So that's where the generation thin kind of falls apart 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.439 a little bit, because you can always pick out individuals 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.280 and say, well, they're nothing like they're categorized. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.439 You know. Yeah, that's definitely going to be a recurring 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.920 theme in here. Yeah. I saw there's this New York 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.840 article by Lewis Minard It's time to stop talking about 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.280 generations where he says essentially all of the most important 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.800 figures in like the Flower Power, anti War sixties hippie movement, 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.960 almost all of them were from the Silent generation. Yeah, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.240 you know, like almost one of the people who were 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.559 the important figures driving this were actually Baby Boomers. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:05.120 Yeah. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.400 Well, of course that's an X from forty six to 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:12.000 sixty four, pretty wide swath there. And this they have 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.880 a pretty interesting distinction is they're actually recognized by the 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.440 US Census Bureau, the only generation to be kind of 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.880 independently recognized, and they're the Baby Boomers. I think everyone 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.240 knows this because there was a big baby boom after 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.920 World War two, And this isn't something that was just like, oh, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.640 the media just got a hold of it, like there 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.000 were a ton of babies born after World War Two. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.920 In nineteen forty five, there were two point nine million, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.160 went to three point four the next year, and by 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.079 nineteen sixty four they peaked. Oh actually they peaked in 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.560 fifty seven with four point three but sixty four was 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.560 the last year in the United States, which is kind 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.760 of crazy to think about with more than four million births. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.760 Yeah, it is, which is strange because I think the 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.240 millennials didn't they have more than the boomers, or where 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.960 they just barely second. Maybe they were second. Regardless, that 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.240 is quite a baby boom. I think it's a fit. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.280 It's an apt Yeah. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.560 I mean, there are more millennials living millennials now, but 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.480 I think that's just because the boomer die off. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:19.040 Gotcha. Okay, So there's we talked about this before. I 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.640 don't remember when. Oh you know what, we did a 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.760 whole episode on baby boomers. So I guarantee it was 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.480 in that, did we Yeah we did. Huh. I think 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.280 it was called Leave the Boomers Alone. I don't know. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.440 Oh wow, all right, I don't think that's what it 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.440 was called. I think we called it how baby Boomers work, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.720 because I don't think we were in that mindset. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.079 I think it was give them hell, right. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:44.600 But there's like a whole the later section of boomers, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:49.760 because it's like a twenty year basically like eighteen year group. Yeah, 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.559 a lot changed in between the sixties and the seventies, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.640 and the ones that were born later on in the 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.439 Baby boom who grew up in the seventies had a 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.439 much different formative age than the older boomers who came 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.000 before them and were like dropping acid and everything. These 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.480 are the people faced with like America becoming super cynical. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:13.120 Yeah. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.000 I mean, my sister is six years older than me, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.040 and she's a year she was sixty five, so she 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.640 was a year off from being quote unquote boomer and 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.000 she's I mean, she's solid Generation X if you ask me, right. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.080 Yeah, that's another problem too. What about people on the CUSP, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:31.280 like xennials. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:37.080 Yeah, I mean supposedly CUSP cus born people identify with 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.560 both to a certain degree, but I don't know. My 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 sister doesn't have much boomer in her right. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:48.120 Right, So that group that your sister just barely missed 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.679 the second half of the Baby Boomers. They have been 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:57.840 dubbed Generation Jones by an author named Jonathan Pontel and Jones. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.600 He basically said that he dubbed them that because they're 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.280 a large anonymous generation. That makes sense. Jones is kind 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.920 of a common last name in the United States. That's 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.720 another thing too, we should say generations. The other reason 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.760 why they seem kind of flibbertigibty is because we're talking 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.280 almost exclusively about the United States here. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.240 Yeah, of course at. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:27.960 The most, the Western English speaking Western world at the most. Right, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:34.080 So it's a large anonymous generation Jones or this one's 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.600 so weird that they they are the generation that's jones 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:43.920 in after their unfulfilled expectations. They're jones in for meaning 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:44.600 or whatever. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.240 I thought it might have been keeping up with the Joneses. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.760 That's another one too, But it's almost like every time 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.960 he said one of these, he was like, h what 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:53.760 do you think of that one? 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.160 Right? Yeah? 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.920 Testing the waters for sure? Who's up next, Chuck? Would 0:14:59.960 --> 0:15:01.560 you you say the best is up next? 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:02.320 Yeah? 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:03.520 I mean, here's the deal, man. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.560 I feel like gen X is very much bordering these 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.720 days on being labeled as obnoxious about how much we 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:11.360 talk about. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.000 How awesome we are. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.120 Yeah, I think so too. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.080 I think we're kind of tipping the scales in the 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:15.640 wrong direction. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.200 So I'm not gonna tout the benefits of being gen 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:20.920 X because we've talked about it before. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.880 Well, also, that's like that is that's super gen x 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.760 to just be like, well, we're treading into uncool waters here. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:28.440 We better cool. 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.680 You're totally right. I don't even think about that. Yeah, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.000 that's as gen x as it gets. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.200 Yeah. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.680 Yeah, I mean that's one of the thing things about 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.960 gen X is we supposedly shunned and we did labels 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.600 and were very sort of jaded and cynical and anti corporate. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.400 Obviously we think of the grunge era of the nineties 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.280 and rejecting capitalism and stuff like that. Before a lot 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.080 of them became capitalists. But there are still, you know, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.360 plenty of gen X true and true through and through 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.800 both of those who are still like that. I don't 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.600 know if you've seen that great Netflix documentary The Secret 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:08.280 Mall Apartment. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:08.960 Have you seen that? 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.760 No? That sounds great, Yeah, And it's. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.240 It's a pretty well known story that these gen xers 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.240 built an apartment inside the guts of a shopping mall 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.080 where they weren't found. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.800 M H highly recommend it. It was a pretty cool story. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.680 I remember reading about it kind of years later when 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.160 it was I guess got a little more media attention. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.680 But the documentary is really good. But it could have 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.200 been called ode to gen X because all of these people. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.000 I was like, man, this was these were my people. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.000 This like I could have seen my friends doing something 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:36.280 like this. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.560 Yeah, pretty creative breaking the rules but also not really 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.760 doing anything that's genuinely anti social necessarily. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.120 Yeah, breaking rules without causing harm. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.880 Yeah, that's a great way to put it. Shock. Yeah. Yeah. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.960 We got our name Generation Next did from the Douglas 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.720 Copeland book Generation X Colon Tales for an Accelerated Culture, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.960 which is a great read or everyone to read it. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.080 Copeland apparently one time said he named it after the 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.280 Billy Idol Billy Idol's original band X. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.200 Yeah. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.080 Then he later took it back and said he got 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.359 it from an obscure sociology book and that in the 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.200 book it was a reference to a group that the 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.520 sociologist labeled X, and this group wanted to basically exit 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:31.439 the traditional American class pursuits and I guess preoccupations like 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.080 didn't want to have anything to do with that, so 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.760 he thought that was kind of a good name for it. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.520 Yeah, and I think X has long been a stand in, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.040 whether it's Malcolm X or just signing your name with 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.640 the X when you don't want to put your signature 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.280 is just sort of a almost active civil disobedience of like, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.320 I don't this is not me, this is not my label. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:49.800 I'm just going to put an X here. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.000 Are you allowed to do that? 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.320 I mean, I don't know if it's legal, but that 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.720 was always I mean I think it initially it was 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.120 like if you did if you couldn't write, you would 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:00.920 sign your name with an X as well. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:01.719 But I don't know. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.280 So maybe the gen xers are being ironic when they're 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:05.639 doing that. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.560 Maybe, But gen x is better than Babybusters, which was 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:14.160 the original idea for our name, because after the post 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.760 war baby boom, birth rates dropped a lot. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.399 Yeah, it's a terrible name. I also saw, just like 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.120 the Baby Boomers were divided into a couple of groups. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.119 I saw the older Gen Xers are called the Atari Wave, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.880 the later Gen Xers are called the Nintendo Wave. Oh yeah, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.879 that makes sense, And then carrying it on the Zennials, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.600 the ones who are on the cusp between Generation X 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.439 and Millennials. They're also called elder Millennials. They're called the 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:42.639 Oregon Trail Wave. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:44.439 I love it. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.240 I thought we could get through all these before our break, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.600 but there's still several generations to go, so maybe we 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.840 should take a break and hit up the millennials after this. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.280 Let's break it up, all right, we'll be right back. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:08.720 That is Josh, I'm Chuck. When you came along and 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:19.920 it was like, yeah, well we were work pals, all right. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.919 Now we're on the millennials. I feel like this is 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:27.840 a a great generation if you ask me, Yeah, I agree. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.080 Maybe not the greatest, but they're a great generations. They 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.679 put up with a lot more than our generation, and 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.239 more than Gen Z and Gen Alpha. I think they 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.600 just had they took the brunt of recent history and 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.840 they've just kind of plodded along and been like, fine, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.280 we'll be the ones. That's fine. You know, they haven't 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.960 complained too much. Well, I should say they stopped complaining. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.359 They used to complain a lot, and now they've just 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.119 kind of grown into this respectable and I think self 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.040 respecting group. As a whole, if generations were. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.280 Real, Yeah, I totally agree. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.560 That's people were born from eighty one to ninety six, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.159 and again there's a pretty big difference between And you 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.160 can say this for a lot of the generations obviously, 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.080 but you know, the ones that were on the cusp 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.119 of either end. I think millennials may be the most 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.080 pronounced as far as how different people born in eighty 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.040