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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here. Just a few gen xers hanging

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Speaker 2: doing our thing, being too cool for you, drinking mountain

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Speaker 2: dew code red and that's it.

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Speaker 3: Wow, look at you on fire already.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I could have done a

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Speaker 2: lot better, but that was off the dome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, off the dome, that's probably a millennial

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Speaker 1: or gen Z saying I got that from you, Well,

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Speaker 1: I got that from Nol. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nole's definitely a millennial. Yeah, he is a millennial

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Speaker 2: through and through. As we'll see what the birth cohort

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Speaker 2: that Nol and every one of his age cohort was

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Speaker 2: born into are exactly alike, and they're different from everybody

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Speaker 2: older and younger. And it's pure science that's proven that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're talking about Noel co host

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Speaker 1: obviously of stuff they don't want you to know, among

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Speaker 1: other great things that he's done, including former.

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Speaker 3: Mini movie Crush co host.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't know if you were going to say

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Speaker 2: that for a second. I was going to jump in

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Speaker 2: and be like, uh, don't forget Movie Crush.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he hosted those minis with me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Andy was he produced him too, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he produced him for a while, and then I

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Speaker 1: think Noel even took the reins and hosted two great

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Speaker 1: episodes by himself. If anyone as a fan of John

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Speaker 1: Cameron Mitchell, Oh yeah, Kesha?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, like Kesha was on Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Two of the bigger gets on Movie Crush were nol episodes.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what was Kesha's favorite movie?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm pretty great at remembering all of the

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Speaker 1: guests that I had, but I don't. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: Kesha or John Cameron Mitchell's.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well we'll look it up someday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember when Noel, when you made him producer, he

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Speaker 2: let that go to his head. He started wearing like

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Speaker 2: pastel blazers with the sleeves rolled up, and he was

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Speaker 2: always like sniffing and like touching his nose. He was

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Speaker 2: Uber producer for a while.

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Speaker 3: He got an ascot, which was a little much, but.

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Speaker 2: It started hanging with Bronson Pincho. So we're talking today

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Speaker 2: about generations. That's why I mentioned that we're all Generation X,

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Speaker 2: and I was being facetious earlier when I said this

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Speaker 2: is all proven by science. Apparently it's not at all

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Speaker 2: proven by science. It's really not particularly scientific. And the

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Speaker 2: whole thing, actually, when you start to dig into it,

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Speaker 2: was this sociological almost intellectual debate that got somehow manhandled

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Speaker 2: and taken over by marketing who now use it to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, see what I found interesting about this and I

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Speaker 1: commissioned this one because it just the whole idea of

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Speaker 1: generations fascinates me. But you know, you'll hear us say

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Speaker 1: things like, well, it's all it was all a marketing

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Speaker 1: thing basically to sell people stuff, and it's really people

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Speaker 1: feel commonalities or there are commonalities and people around the

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Speaker 2: Right, there are actual, like decent explanations that sociologists have

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Speaker 2: come up with, but they're not. The problem is is

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Speaker 2: that you can't paint an entire group of people with

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Speaker 2: and then also those same market researchers that always hype

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Speaker 2: and their generational researchers, even though they're not really scientists.

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Speaker 2: They're market researchers. If they it would be so much

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Speaker 2: more honest if they were, like, here's what a lot

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Speaker 2: of kids, the cool kids are into today, start selling

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Speaker 2: to them like that, not like this entire generation is

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Speaker 2: like this specific group of well to do, white suburban

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Speaker 2: kids essentially exactly. But it's so interesting to talk about,

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about it a little bit, because there

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Speaker 2: are generations that seem to have really like are paying

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to kind of go through since they've

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Speaker 1: been dubbing generation specific generations here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: we're going to go through them to begin with. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good just sort of primer for

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Speaker 1: when you're hanging out and talking about this kind of

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Speaker 2: So they were born between eighteen eighty three and nineteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: They came of age during World War One, which was

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Speaker 2: that time, and they're called the Lost Generation. Gertrude Stein

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Speaker 2: the traditional values that got everybody to World War One.

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Speaker 2: It was a big deal, and those kids were the

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Speaker 2: ones who went on to become the rebellious jazz age people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad we're saying where these came from,

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And in most of these cases we can trace it

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Speaker 1: Usually that doesn't mean they're the people who dreamed it up, sure,

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Speaker 1: but specifically in this case, it was from the book

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Speaker 1: The Sun Also Rises, and the epigraph Earnest Hymmingway quoted

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Speaker 1: Stein saying, you are all a lost generation. So it

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Speaker 1: looked that one looks pretty clear cut.

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Speaker 2: Hemingway had a way of turning a phrase. Yeah, who

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Speaker 2: was next, Chuck? Who was after the Lost Generation?

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Speaker 1: Well, the Greatest Generation from nineteen oh one to nineteen

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Speaker 1: there's not a set science to any of this. As

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Speaker 1: you said, even though there's this one dude that will

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Speaker 1: learn later is like, we should just make it fifteen

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because the first show one was seventeen years

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Speaker 2: and then this one's twenty six years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. This is obviously the generation. I guess it

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Speaker 1: Depression and were, you know, defended freedom against the Nazis

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Speaker 3: And this is.

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Speaker 1: One name wise that came about. The name came about

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Speaker 1: much later. Well, I'll go ahead and say who ended

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was a big deal. I remember when

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Speaker 2: that came out. I can hear Tom Brokaw saying I

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Speaker 2: can't do an impression of it, but I can hear

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Speaker 2: wrote this book about just profiling different veterans, I think,

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Speaker 2: mostly everyday people, and essentially collectively said like, these are

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Speaker 2: the people who grew up in the depression. They faced

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Speaker 2: genuine deprivation in many many cases collectively too. And then

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Speaker 2: they went on and were called to like, go fight

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Speaker 2: the Nazis in World War Two, Right, so there's nobody before.

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Speaker 2: Since that's done this kind of stuff, hats off to you,

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Speaker 2: greatest generation. And they sat back and were like, we'll

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And since you didn't do what I set you up

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Speaker 1: the greatest generation. There were these two generational theorists, theorists

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Speaker 1: generation the GI generation, the greatest generation. And then Brokaw

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Speaker 1: can you try now, I don't remember. It was more

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It was a breathing thing for him. It always felt

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Speaker 2: Enough of that GI generation though, stuff or the GI

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Speaker 2: generation I said it wrong. Let's get back to brokawn

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Speaker 2: his book.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you need to know?

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Speaker 2: It was a huge book, came out in nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I already said that.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, kit, I just wanted to make sure all

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Speaker 3: Sure we could say it the third time, if that

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Speaker 3: really you know, if you want to drive book sales.

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Speaker 2: Hit it up.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety eight. Everybody very nice, still, dear.

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Speaker 2: So let's move on to the next generation. This is

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Speaker 2: called the Silent generation. This is where my dad was born.

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Speaker 2: And he actually fits this bill pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I think my mom I can't remember the year, but

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. We're we're of that age that would

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Speaker 2: Yes. Also though they I guess the whole thing comes

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Speaker 2: one anonymously weirdly, I guess, because this person was criticizing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, but.

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Speaker 2: They said they called them the silent generation. They said,

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Speaker 2: it does not issue manifestos, make speeches or carry posters.

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Speaker 2: It has been called the silent generation. And I think

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Speaker 2: So that makes sense. And then also I guess the

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Speaker 2: silent generation describes them. They're supposed to be cautious conformist.

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Speaker 2: That's another reason they're called the silent generation. So that's

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess it all kind of adds up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But again there.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Dave put this together and he

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Speaker 1: points out, you know, Andy Warhol and Nina Simone and

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Speaker 1: Gloria Steinem and Bob Dylan were all from this generation.

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Speaker 1: So that's where the generation thin kind of falls apart

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's definitely going to be a recurring

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna tout the benefits of being gen

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Speaker 1: Maybe, But gen x is better than Babybusters, which was

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I thought we could get through all these before our break,

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Speaker 2: Let's break it up, all right, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's definitely a thing you know, we ran wild

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Speaker 1: our buddies Neil Howe and William Strauss again. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one, they published a book called Generations Colon the

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Speaker 1: History of America's Future fifteen eighty four to twenty sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: and that's where they came up with the Millennial generation.

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Speaker 1: For pretty obvious reasons.

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Speaker 2: You left out the comma. There's a colon and a

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Speaker 2: comma in there.

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Speaker 3: There is, Yeah, there's a comma after America's Future.

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Speaker 2: You're right, So we need a jingle for commas, the

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Speaker 2: rare comma.

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Speaker 3: You know. They should have finished it off with fifteen

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Speaker 3: eighty four to twenty sixty nine an exclamation boy, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're right.

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Speaker 2: And then the zero in twenty sixty nine is the

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Speaker 2: ampersand let's just trip it going the what's the one

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Speaker 2: in fifteen eighty four?

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Speaker 1: Has it got to be punctuation? Because the first thing

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Speaker 1: I thought of was an eye with a heart above it.

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Speaker 1: That's an eye.

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Speaker 2: Though they can actually program anything they want to into

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Speaker 2: a keyboard. I found that out when Prince changed his

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Speaker 2: name to a symbol the artist formerly known.

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Speaker 3: As Prince, and you could type that.

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Speaker 2: Yes. They sent it out to all of the media,

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Speaker 2: impressed to basically insert it into their font catalog, so

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Speaker 2: they can do that.

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Speaker 3: That was pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: They can make an eye with a heart above it

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Speaker 2: if you want them to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I said, I think it's pretty obvious,

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Speaker 1: but we'll say it out loud. It is the first

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Speaker 1: generation to be the first to graduate high school after

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Speaker 1: the year two thousand right there.

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Speaker 2: And sorry, I realized I'm being a little squarely today

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Speaker 2: that you keep setting me up, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about this instead.

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Speaker 3: That's a right.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing about it, I think the reason

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Speaker 2: why Millennials stuck and overtook Generation Why, which I fully

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Speaker 2: remember that was really close to being that generation's name,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really glad it turned into Millennials. It has

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Speaker 2: like an optimistic kind of hopeful feel to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that characterized Millennials as far as

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Speaker 2: generation researchers go, is that they came of age during

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Speaker 2: nine eleven as young kids. That was an enormous thing

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Speaker 2: to learn at a young age that things like that

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Speaker 2: can happen in the world, and that an entire culture

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Speaker 2: can lose its innocence in like one morning. And then

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Speaker 2: also as they started to enter the workforce. They got

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Speaker 2: smacked with the Great Recession and couldn't find a job

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Speaker 2: for five years, and they were the first generation to

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Speaker 2: start moving back in with their parents because they had to.

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Speaker 2: So who's up next, Chuck? After Millennials?

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody knows gen Z. They're staring at you silently

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Speaker 1: but not judging. I don't think, or maybe they are

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven to twenty twelve. The reason is gen

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Speaker 1: Z is just from when it was supposedly going to

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Speaker 1: be jen Y before them, lower case I was going

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Speaker 1: to be the initial name because of obvious reasons.

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Speaker 3: Again for you know, Apple stuff.

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Speaker 2: There was the first one.

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Speaker 1: Digital natives is what they say that we're literally all

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Speaker 1: born and raised in the Internet age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like eye Jen that could have been good.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Apple was like, yeah, let's call him that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's sue everybody as well.

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Speaker 2: Right. They were also almost called Generation K, which this

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Speaker 2: is astonishing to me. Yeah, the K is for the

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Speaker 2: K and Catonus Everdeen from the Hunger Games.

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Speaker 3: Who thought of that? I mean, I had to be

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Speaker 3: the movie studio that made.

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Speaker 2: That, right, Probably probably were a publicists they secretly hired.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the reason why is because it's just such

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Speaker 2: almost a dystopian era that these kids are are growing

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Speaker 2: up in or grew up in. Yeah, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but still, first of all, you don't want to name

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Speaker 2: an entire generation after the doomiest thing you can think of. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you want to kind of have at least it's some

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Speaker 2: sort of a positive spin on it. And we'll see

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Speaker 2: why it matters in a minute. Yeah, what about Generation CE.

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Speaker 2: Surely that's got to be upbeat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Generation COVID or coronavirus. That was a consideration for

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Speaker 1: a little while as well. Luckily that didn't make it,

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Speaker 1: and we got jen Z, who was known for what

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Speaker 1: Dave calls quote being extremely online. Yeah, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: just online a lot, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They're also known for curating their online images. They

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Speaker 2: were the first to really start paying attention to this.

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Speaker 2: They also put a lot into a lot of stock

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Speaker 2: into being authentic and socially conscious. They're also on the

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Speaker 2: negative side, frequently called coddled and titled snowflakes that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. Again, all of this stuff, you're like, yep,

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Speaker 2: totally totally, one hundred percent to stop for a second

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Speaker 2: and remember you're talking about millions of people from all

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Speaker 2: walks of life. They're all coddled, they're all snowflakes, they're

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Speaker 2: all entitled. Like, think about what that's actually saying, right, So,

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00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: and the idea is that this is all made up.

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Speaker 2: So you just got to remember that because what was

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Speaker 2: just cut into the chase real quick, right now, there's

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Speaker 2: like a real harm that can be done, yeh in

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Speaker 2: calling entire groups of kids, or dismissing entire groups of

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Speaker 2: people as snowflakes or woke or whatever kind of hate

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Speaker 2: that word, or.

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Speaker 1: You could barely even say it even sounded funny coming

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Speaker 1: out of your mouth, right Like.

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Speaker 2: You can even deride their you know, focus on authenticity

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Speaker 2: or whatever. You can take any of these in turn

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Speaker 2: it negative, and that harms the group that you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: but it also makes that group present you. Yeah, probably

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Speaker 2: the older person who's criticizing them and what they care

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Speaker 2: about and what they're interested in because you weren't or

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense to you and your values that

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Speaker 2: there is actual individual harm, but also more importantly, a

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Speaker 2: social harm that can be done because it allows for

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Speaker 2: essentially a socially acceptable form of discrimination, which is agism.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's going upward in age or downward in age,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's still as harmful. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It gives somebody permission to do something like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And it's no different if you're if you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, You're not like other gen zs. You're

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Speaker 1: you're the real deal. You're not like an entitled little snowflake.

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Speaker 1: Like just stop. That's that's even worse almost.

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Speaker 2: It is stop being the uncle at Thanksgiving. Just stop.

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Speaker 2: But simultaneously stop being the millennial who says like okay, boomer,

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Speaker 2: although I know no one says that anymore. But that

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Speaker 2: was harmful too, even though it's totally accurate.

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Speaker 1: Interesting thing about gen Zuh, they found some research on

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Speaker 1: some of the politics.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was a survey on gender, and fifty three percent

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Speaker 1: of Gen Z women apparently describe themselves as feminists, compared

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Speaker 1: to only thirty two percent of Gen Z men, which

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Speaker 1: is the largest gap I believe, I don't know about

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Speaker 1: of any generation. That's a twenty one point gap compared

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Speaker 1: to an eight percent gap same question for Gen X.

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Speaker 3: What I thought was super interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very concerning too, And that's legitimate because they're

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Speaker 2: they're using gen Z as just a shorthand for an

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Speaker 2: actual age group that was legitimately surveyed. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 2: is a that is a troubling value change in values.

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, what's next?

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Speaker 2: Next up, Chuck is the latest generation, not greatest latest

584
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Speaker 2: who knows whether they're going to be great or not.

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Speaker 2: History will tell us eventually. But that's Gen Alpha. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's very reassuring that we were not on

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Speaker 2: Gen Z anymore, because that's a little troublesome that you've

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Speaker 2: reached the end of the alphabet as a group goes,

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Speaker 2: like a population of human beings goes. Now we're back

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Speaker 2: to alpha, and that's that's great. I'm glad for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and earlier when I mentioned there's some guy that

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Speaker 1: wanted to say, let's just make it fifteen years moving forward.

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Speaker 1: That's a guy named Mark mccrindall. He's an Australian social

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Speaker 1: researcher and he is the one who coined generation alpha

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Speaker 1: again just starting over after Z. And he said and

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Speaker 1: also he saunds a little grumpy, he's like, and also,

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Speaker 1: can we just make him Greek letters from now on?

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Speaker 1: And let go jen beta after this?

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Speaker 2: And everyone said, no, you're not the boss of us.

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Speaker 2: We come up with our own willy nilly and we

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Speaker 2: decide as a group what we like and what we

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Speaker 2: don't like. So no, we'll go with your Jen Alpha

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Speaker 2: for now, but don't get above your station. Mccrindall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's slow year roll, buddy, although it'll probably

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Speaker 1: be Jim Beta, which would be kids born this year

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Speaker 1: starting this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I predict it's not going to be Jim Beta. Chuck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be. They'll start with that,

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Speaker 2: and I think it'll be something else. I think humanity

612
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: just wants to spite Mark mccrindall. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Beta such a negative connotation now, just from those

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Speaker 1: alt right weirdos that you know, Beta male stuff.

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00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: Right, plus also Beta Max knowing like that.

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00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: Exactly Beta dine that stuff was the worst because that

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Speaker 3: means you have a nasty.

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Speaker 2: Cut, right or Beta fish they're always fighting the mirror.

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00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wants a Beta fish boring.

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00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. It's sad for the Beta fish though,

621
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: because their prizes at Tony Fairs very frequently.

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00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: So apparently Jen Alpha is even more online than gen Z,

624
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: so much so that they don't even really realize. Well,

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00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: they're also still pretty young right now. They're born between

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00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: twenty ten and twenty twenty five. They're cut off. Just

627
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: happened last year. They're not even aware that there is anything,

628
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: that there's other stuff out there from.

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Speaker 3: What Yeah, yeah, there's an alternative.

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Speaker 2: Yes exactly, thank you. That like this is just what

631
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: people do because that's, yeah, what they grew up doing,

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00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of concern about what effects that's

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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: having on them. Gen Z. The big concern is social

634
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: media and the devastating effect that can have on a

635
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: developing mind. With gen Alfha, it's like all technology now

636
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: is just gunning for those little tiny brains, and people

637
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: are like, what's going to happen with this?

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00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, trust me, I'm a parent one, and I wonder sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's got to be so preposterously hard

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Speaker 2: to raise a kid these days compared to thirty, forty

641
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: fifty years ago.

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's more raising of a kid, if

643
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: that's what you mean, like more active parenting.

644
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh definitely, for sure.

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Speaker 1: What I think is weird and you know, I'm getting

646
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Speaker 1: a little off track, but gen X was like we

647
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: were wild in the streets and our parents ignored us,

648
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: but we were the first helicopter parents. Yes, g not

649
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: of course, but that was kind of where it came from.

650
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 2: Right, gen z has turned out to be really weird

651
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: and really weird as far as that goes compared to

652
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: how we were raised and then how we're raising kids,

653
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: our own kids. It's it is very surprising. It's a

654
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: surprising turn of events if you ask me. Yeah, yeah,

655
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: I guess that stranger danger finally got through to us,

656
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: but not until we were like forty.

657
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: So this generation thing is, like we said, mainly made up.

658
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Speaker 1: I mean, the term generation obviously comes from a biology

659
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Speaker 1: and like when a parent has a kid, that offspring

660
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: is the next generation. But as far as like generations goes,

661
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: as we're talking about him, there was a sociologist I

662
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: think kind of the first guy to write about this.

663
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Speaker 1: His name was Carl Mannheim, and he wrote an essay

664
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Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties called The Problem of Generations, and

665
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: he was just sort of trying to look at like

666
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: how do groups of cohorts or groups of people change

667
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: over time?

668
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: And that's where.

669
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Speaker 1: He and you know, he was in his book, and

670
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think generally when people talk about this stuff.

671
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: They're talking a little less about like back then, the

672
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: factory workers and farmers and a little more like intellectuals

673
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: and writers and artists.

674
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Manheim was like, people who aren't

675
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: like intellectual or artistic, they're probably not changing that much

676
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: as a group over time, but tastes in art and

677
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: culture change, you know, pretty distinctly over relatively short periods, decade,

678
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: two decades, that kind of thing. He's like, why, And

679
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure other people have noticed this too,

680
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: but Manheim was the first to stop and try to

681
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: figure out what was going on. And what he came

682
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: up with was essentially what most the average person believes

683
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: generations come from today, average person on the street who

684
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: thinks about this kind of stuff, and that is called

685
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: the imprint hypothesis, and it essentially says that some event,

686
00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: some process, something big of historic proportions that happened during

687
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: your formative years as a kid, made an impression on you,

688
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: imprinted on you and made you kind of who you are,

689
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: gave you your outlook on life. And because there was

690
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: a whole other cohort of kids your same age, the

691
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: same thing happened to them and that's why people within

692
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: a generation resemble one another in a lot of ways,

693
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: especially with trends and values and outlooks and stuff.

694
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talked about all these as we've gone along,

695
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, the depression, COVID nine to eleven, all these things,

696
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: those are generation shaping events, according to him, being imprinted

697
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: with those.

698
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: Yep.

699
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: There are other sociologists that say, you know, it's not

700
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: really outside.

701
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: Events that's causing this stuff.

702
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: It just sort of organically happens when groups of young

703
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: people are all just hanging out and growing up together.

704
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a chicken or the egg situation, like

705
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: does society change because new people grow up and like

706
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: just change society because there's new people, new ways of thinking.

707
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Or do people change because society changes, like eg through

708
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: COVID or the Challenger disaster or something like that, or

709
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: the fall of the Berlin Wall that has these huge

710
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: imprints on people. And there's actually a guy named Morris

711
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: Massey who basically combine the two. He said, that's values

712
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: that separate the generations. That that's really what it is,

713
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: and that the reasons that the values are different among

714
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: generations is because of that imprinting process. Happens to hit

715
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: at a time when you are in a formative I

716
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: guess a formative place where you're figuring out what your

717
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: values are, and when that historic thing happens that helps

718
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: shape your values. That same historic thing isn't going to

719
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: have the same effect on older people because their values

720
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: have already been shaped, but it will on that one generation.

721
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 2: So that's essentially what his jam was. He was kind

722
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: of merging everything for sure.

723
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Speaker 1: You know, we promised talk of average because that's in marketing,

724
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of this comes from. And it

725
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: does because no one really talked about this stuff until

726
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies when baby boomers were getting into their twenties.

727
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: And you know, if you know anything about just.

728
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: Marketing and selling things to people, that demographic of you know,

729
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty four is what they always say. But

730
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, basically, people are in their twenties is a

731
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: big That's when you have money to spend, maybe for

732
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: the first time, if you're you know, out from under

733
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: the thumb of your family and your parents, and you've

734
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: gotten your first job maybe or at least in the

735
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: old days, you probably did, and so they want to

736
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: sell to people They always have. They still do that

737
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: are in their twenties, and those are also the people

738
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: that are shaping the taste of generations and influencing people

739
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: around them and age.

740
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Speaker 3: And when the baby.

741
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: Boomers were coming into their twenties and the nineteen seventies,

742
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: companies went wild and they started doing all this sort

743
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: of market generational market research that is a very big deal.

744
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: I know this is an older stat but in twenty

745
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: fifteen they found out that American companies alone spent seventy

746
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: million dollars just on generational consulting.

747
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, those people that essentially who've made up generations or

748
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: say that it happens every fifteen years or something like that. Yeah,

749
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: so yeah, you want to take a break and come

750
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: back and talk about some criticisms of this.

751
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. That is Josh, I'm Chuck.

752
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: You came along and it was like, yeah, well we

753
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: were work pals.

754
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: All right, we're back talking more about generations and we're

755
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: going to talk about some criticisms. In a second, we

756
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: should say that, you know, obviously the media plays a

757
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: part in all this. It's not all just like a

758
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: marketing scam. But when the media picks up on these

759
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: names especially, and you know, all of a sudden, there's

760
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: people writing books and technically that's selling something, but that's

761
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: that's producing a you know, your take, Like everyone's got

762
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: their take on this stuff. So there's gonna be plenty

763
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: of people writing books about all these generations, right, But

764
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: the whole idea is like, is this even.

765
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 3: A real thing at all?

766
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: And sociologists look at three different effects that influence how

767
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: people think and behave, and they're the life cycle effects,

768
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: the period effects, and the cohort effects.

769
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the life cycle effects makes the most sense to me,

770
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: and that you are likely to essentially not change your

771
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: personality but change your outlook, your values, that kind of

772
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: thing as you age, and so entire cohorts of people

773
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: age generally the same, so they're all going through the

774
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: same life stages at roughly the same time, so they

775
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: like the baby boomers are a really pronounced example of this.

776
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: When you're younger, you're more rebellious, you question the system,

777
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: you want to change things, hence the sixties hippies. As

778
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: you get a little older, you become much more materialistic,

779
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: you become say, more grounded, you abandon your earlier idealism.

780
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: In a lot of cases, the yuppies of the eighties,

781
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: and then as you get older and kind of get

782
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: put out to pasture, one of the ways that you

783
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: can make yourself more relevant is to become politically active.

784
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: Hence the older current today baby boomers. So like this,

785
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: this whole idea is that we confuse that for generational effects,

786
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 2: that people are actually just going through life stages together.

787
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: On mass yeah exactly, or that you know, millennials were like,

788
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: now we're not having babies, and we're moving to the suburbs,

789
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: we're living in the city, and we're staying single or

790
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: at least getting married and shunning kids.

791
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: And while plenty of them did.

792
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: And still do as they got a little bit older,

793
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: and this is the life cycle effect, a lot of

794
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: them did get those kids and families, and a lot

795
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: of them did get the house in the suburbs.

796
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: And it's just, you know, it's an age effect thing.

797
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: Right, the same thing with period effects. It's basically saying, no,

798
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as generations where we confuse the

799
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: generational effects or differences for actual period effects. And what

800
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: that is is that those same historic events happen, but

801
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: they impact like everybody. We just happened to focus on

802
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: the group that it tends to impact the most, the

803
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: younger generation, because again, they're going through a formative time.

804
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: So COVID affected everybody in all sorts of very deep ways. Right,

805
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: It affected like kids. People were preoccupied with kids because

806
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: those kids, like basically had a whole year of very

807
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: important schooling that they didn't get and that was a

808
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 2: huge focus of society, and so that kind of became

809
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: looked at, focused on, and kind of that was haung

810
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: on that generation, whereas really everybody got affected by COVID

811
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: in a bunch of different ways.

812
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And the last one cohort effects.

813
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: I don't really see the difference and why this is

814
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: even broken out between. It sounds just sort of like

815
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: the other two combined in a way.

816
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. That was that Morris mass you thing basically,

817
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: and this is what we think of as generational effects,

818
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: combination of life cycle and period effects producing groups where

819
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: you are different from people who are older than you

820
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: and different from people who are younger than you. Yeah,

821
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: that's generational differences or generational effects. That's what people are saying, Like,

822
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: that's no life cycle effects. Sure, period effects sure, cohort effects,

823
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: we don't really think so.

824
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

825
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: As far as criticisms go, you know, we've lobbed a

826
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: few out there as far as what generally people think,

827
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: how they think critically about dividing people up like this.

828
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: But one big problem is that you sort of touched

829
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: on it earlier that these are really broad generalizations, but

830
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: it's from small sample sizes. So the media has a

831
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: lot to do with this how this plays out. And

832
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: Dave makes a great point. If you're you know, when

833
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: you talk about the nineteen sixties, like the first thing

834
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: that comes to your mind is like woodstock and the

835
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: hippies and sticking a daisy in the barrel of a rifle,

836
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: And there were very few people like that if you

837
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: look at like percentages and you base it on things

838
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: like drug use and premarital sex and feelings like that,

839
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: Like apparently almost ninety percent of Americans twenty somethings did

840
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: not smoke pot in nineteen sixty nine, And if you

841
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: look at movies and TV and the media, you think, like,

842
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of that was what everyone was doing.

843
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one hundred and twelve percent of right twenty

844
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 2: some things in nineteen sixty nine exactly. And that's the thing,

845
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: Like the media highlights the most extreme segment of the

846
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: group of people, and that still happens today. The loudest

847
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: people get the most attention, essentially.

848
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

849
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Another big criticism is the when you and you touched

850
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: on this a little bit too, Like when you group

851
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: people up in these huge cohorts and say everyone's kind

852
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: of like this, you're really really ignoring everything within that

853
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: group of people, like all the little differences like oh,

854
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: race and class and income and privilege and stuff like that.

855
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: And you really nailed it when you said, like when

856
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: people talk about generations in broad terms like this, they're

857
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of talking because it's a marketing thing about like,

858
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, middle to upper class white America in a

859
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: lot of cases.

860
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ignores intersectionality essentially, which ironically is something that

861
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: people say that gen Z is preoccupied with.

862
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, although you know, there's I totally believe this is

863
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: a thing.

864
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: But I remember when I saw the movie Crooklynd, Spike

865
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Lee's great movie about his life growing up in the

866
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: seventies in Brooklyn, New York. I remember watching that movie

867
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: and being like, oh my god, that was my life

868
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: growing up in suburban Atlanta in the nineteen seventies as

869
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: a white kid, like, we're all the same.

870
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Okay, right, right, So there were similarities, he also had

871
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: much He faced a lot of differences that you didn't

872
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: face too, I'm sure, and vice versa. You guys have,

873
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: for sure, But that's more of like a society was

874
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 2: like that at that time. That's what parents in general

875
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Speaker 2: were like, Okay, this is cool. It's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: There's let's just have latchkey kids. That's what we have

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Speaker 2: to do because both parents are working now and we're

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Speaker 2: still figuring it out. That's what society was doing. The

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Speaker 2: question is did that have an impression on this whole

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Speaker 2: group of kids the same way to make them unique

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Speaker 2: in that way? That's what generations are saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the other criticisms you were

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier is when you've given people permission to

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Speaker 1: sort of drag and dunk on a whole generation for

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Speaker 1: being like on your phone too long or addicted to

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Speaker 1: your screens or this or that or snowflakes. If you

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Speaker 1: dig down and look at actual statistics for some of

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Speaker 1: this stuff, they found out and this doesn't surprise me

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Speaker 1: at all. I've talked about the fact that baby boomers

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Speaker 1: are on their phone, at least in my life, more

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Speaker 1: than anyone I know. Sure, people sixty five and over

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Speaker 1: average ten hours of screen time a day compared to

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Speaker 1: seven hours a day for eighteen to thirty four year olds.

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Speaker 3: And that is not just on your phone.

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Speaker 1: That's also due, you know, somewhat to the fact that

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Speaker 1: when you know, very sadly, when some people retire, they

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Speaker 1: like start watching TV during the day, which is the

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Speaker 1: death knell if you ask me, it is.

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Speaker 2: You want to not watch TV during the day and

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Speaker 2: not watching in bed at night?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I love watching TV in bed.

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Speaker 2: I do too, But in hotels, oh.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Mans nothing better than watching a movie

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Speaker 3: in bed.

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Speaker 2: What do you, Oh, you watch movies in bed?

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Speaker 3: You don't watch whatever?

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Speaker 2: You don't watch Jimmy Fallon, No.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I don't watch any I mean, I love

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon, but I haven't watched late night talk shows

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Speaker 1: since Conan left.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a pretty good reason to stop. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think so, Chuck, you got anything else? Because I'm

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Speaker 2: hoping you say no. I feel like this is a

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Speaker 2: nice little package that we put together.

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Speaker 3: Uh no, and that means long stuff is out.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Oh hea, no, no, no, sorry, how do we end

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Speaker 3: this thing?

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Speaker 2: We say it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: But instead of listener mail, we are going to reiterate

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Speaker 1: that we are performing I believe tomorrow in Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be there April sixteenth. So if

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Speaker 2: this comes out April fifteenth, you're right on the money.

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Speaker 1: Now it's coming out on the fourteenth, so in two

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Speaker 1: days we'll be in Madison.

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Speaker 2: Either way, if you're in the Madison area, come see us,

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Speaker 2: or in Chicago, come see us Akron. I think it's

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Speaker 2: like too late because we basically have sold out Akron.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say Akron strong. That means a lot

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Speaker 1: that Akron is one of our best selling cities on

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Speaker 1: this tour. So we're looking at you Madison, We're looking

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Speaker 1: at Chicago coming out and see us. No, we're at

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Speaker 1: the Auditorium Theater in Chicago. Where are we in Madison?

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Speaker 2: The Orphium the Orphum, so.

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Speaker 1: Two great theaters. We're going to have a good time.

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Speaker 1: It's a fun topic. Get to do some audience Q

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Speaker 1: and A gonna share some laughs. You get to be

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Speaker 1: in a big room with a bunch of cool, like minded,

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Speaker 1: smart people.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're reasonably sure that you will like having gone.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And I think early showtimes. I think these are both

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Speaker 1: seven o'clock ers, so yay, like responsible.

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Speaker 3: Aging gen xers. Yeah, we want to get everybody home

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Speaker 3: in a decent hour.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do, before your babysitter can even get in

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Speaker 2: the frage. You're going to be home, that's right. Great, Well,

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Speaker 2: if you want more info or tickets to come see us,

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Speaker 2: we'd love it if you did. You can go to

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Speaker 2: stuff youshould Know dot com and click on the tour

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Speaker 2: button and that will bring up all the info you

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Speaker 2: need and you can buy tickets through there, like I said,

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Speaker 2: and I guess. In the meantime, you can also send

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Speaker 2: us email send it off the stuff podcast at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 3: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio.

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