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Speaker 1: It's the season five finale of Real Housewives of Orange

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Speaker 1: County and possibly one of Tamar's most gut wrenching moments.

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Speaker 1: The party goes on after Tamar tells Simon she wants

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Speaker 1: a divorce, Our slave and Gretchen getting married, Our Linz kids,

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Speaker 1: out of control. Professional ballroom dancer and host of the

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Speaker 1: iHeart podcast Sex Lies and Spray Tans, Cheryl Burke joins

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Speaker 1: me to break down this episode. This is Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of Orange County Season five, episode fifteen. Is that all

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Speaker 1: there is? Let's go okay? So, how familiar are you

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Speaker 1: with the housewives? Are you fluent or you speak the language?

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Speaker 1: What do you know?

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Speaker 2: Well? I'm pretty I mean, look, I know some of

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Speaker 2: them on a personal level because they did Dancing with

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Speaker 2: the Stars. But I also, I would say, back in

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Speaker 2: my drinking days, I've been sober for five and a

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Speaker 2: half years, this would be the show I would watch,

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Speaker 2: like come stumbling in and like just recovering. It made

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Speaker 2: me feel better about myself.

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Speaker 1: So do you remember this era? Because this is we're

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Speaker 1: watching Real Houses of Orange Cage season five, episode fifteen,

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Speaker 1: You remember it?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't remember that because I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: did Tabra, did she just get married again? Like I

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Speaker 2: was so confused there for a odd second that I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's season five.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me just put this in perspective for people.

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Speaker 1: I was only on for three seasons the first time,

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Speaker 1: and I was called this like iconic housewife, this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because this is five seasons and it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's in the Cave era. The way everybody dressed,

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Speaker 1: the way they look, this feels like the has to

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Speaker 1: be the first season ever.

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Speaker 2: So it looks like black and white. Almost like same

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Speaker 2: thing with Dancing with the Stars. When you even just

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Speaker 2: a YouTube like me and Drew Lachet second season and

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Speaker 2: what nineteen sixty five, it's like, literally, wow, so crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. And I also do think of the Housewives

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Speaker 1: like Dancing with the Stars. People who are on it

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Speaker 1: and in that world, not unlike Bachelor Nation, think that

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Speaker 1: everybody knows what's going on. I have no idea what's

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Speaker 1: going on right now on the back or Dancing with

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Speaker 1: the Stars, and you don't know what's going on now

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Speaker 1: on the Housewives, But they're so self involved with their

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Speaker 1: own sphere that Housewives gets so true stress thinks that

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Speaker 1: everybody knows what's going on with them.

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Speaker 2: And then with Arianna on this season. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: interesting because like, look, if I wasn't if my new job,

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Speaker 2: which was podcasting, didn't relate to Dancing with the Stars,

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Speaker 2: there's no way in hell I'd be watching same things.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, just because I'm still grieving, you know, like

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Speaker 2: I'm literally still grieving. It's and and if anything, though,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of like meant to be because I'm

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Speaker 2: a professional runaway from my feelings number person, So like

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Speaker 2: this is actually in a weird way, it's very healing,

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Speaker 2: but also, you know traumatic, sometimes.

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Speaker 1: You're still grieving from reality TV, you're still deep programming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean also, you know, though it was my

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Speaker 2: decision is irrelevant, Like I was saying to Leah Remedi

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Speaker 2: who just did my podcast, like it's just been It's

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Speaker 2: interesting because I'm literally, I am actually feeling these feelings

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Speaker 2: and I have a mic in my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Basically, well, you're feeling the feelings. And I think that

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Speaker 1: talking about this particular episode will bring up different things.

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Speaker 2: Oh it did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that it's on reality TV, So all right, so

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll get into it. So Tamra, who's not

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Speaker 1: an original housewife. She came in seasons later. Oh really, yes,

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Speaker 1: she's not from the beginning. Laurie, who was a guest

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Speaker 1: on this one, was an original. Gina Kio was only

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Speaker 1: on for the first couple of seasons.

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Speaker 2: Wait, who was the one they referred to her as

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Speaker 2: dancing with the stars? Who was that?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Who walked Alexis Billino? She did, she had a one shoulder. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny that they that's funny. Good job producers picking

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Speaker 1: up one that has a Dancing with the Stars rest or.

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Speaker 2: It's a coincidence, you know, you never know, yes.

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Speaker 1: But we'll give them the credit. Alexis is not original,

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Speaker 1: Vicki's original, Gina's original, Laurie's original. Tamar joined season three,

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Speaker 1: and people like Tamra and Sonya don't like that they're

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Speaker 1: not OG's. It just bothers them because they feel so

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Speaker 1: og and the audience kind of thinks of them as og.

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Speaker 2: But so, wait, what is your definition of an og?

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Speaker 2: Because like we had this whole debate when I had

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Speaker 2: Louis ars podcast. Yeah, very first, not even the second season. No,

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Speaker 2: oh shit, then I'm not an og.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I mean no, you're right though, No,

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Speaker 2: if we're gonna do that like that, then yet, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not no matter if I've done twenty three seasons

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Speaker 2: of Dancing with the Stars or not. I guess it does. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess not.

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Speaker 1: No, you me hall of fame, but you're not og

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm.

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Speaker 2: A old person there. Yeah, I'm a.

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Speaker 1: Fraud because I was only ever on eight seasons, which

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Speaker 1: isn't that much in the grand scheme of this thing

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Speaker 1: that people act like. It defines me less.

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Speaker 2: Total total got it? But you started first season.

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Speaker 1: I started first season and I left after three, which

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Speaker 1: is very early if you think about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, so Tamor is a new house so act she

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Speaker 1: came in like I, you know, may not be the

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Speaker 1: youngest housewife, but I'm hottest. She was very into being

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah. Her husband triggered the shit out of me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and me too, Oh my god. And I like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, people wanna get upset when people are super

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Speaker 1: I think she needs that, and you come on the

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Speaker 1: show some sometimes to get that. And she's obviously in

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Speaker 1: a bad marriage. And so I like that she came

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Speaker 1: in like, Hi, I'm hot, that's my thing. That's okay.

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Speaker 2: So that was it. That was like what you saw.

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Speaker 2: That was the first impression of her, basically right, because

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Speaker 2: it was like episode five or No. Fifteen or something.

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Speaker 1: But I think her tagline was always something about being hot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and like it's just a I just it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like selfies. I always found it slightly cringe but yet

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Speaker 2: Don't think like that, Like I'm not, like I literally

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Speaker 2: don't walk in a room like I am the prettiest woman.

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Speaker 2: Like no, I don't understand, Like I don't understand that mentality,

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Speaker 2: but I love it. Maybe it's because I don't love

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Speaker 1: I'm not vain and I am very confident. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think of that either. I think that you should

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Speaker 1: always want to be the most interesting yes person in

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Speaker 1: the room, not the hottest.

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Speaker 2: Who can strike up the most interesting conversation, who can

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Speaker 2: banter back, who's sarcastic. That's like, for me more interesting.

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Speaker 2: Who's an addict? I love me some addicts. I'm one.

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Speaker 2: So it's very very interesting, Like the conversations are very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I was recently with a group of girls, like thirty

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Speaker 1: young women that were gorgeous at this event, and all

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Speaker 1: of them were like single and depressed about it. And

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Speaker 1: I thought of the fact that most people lead with

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Speaker 1: their hotness or want to lead with physical and think

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Speaker 1: that that's the solution. But men or you know, partners

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Speaker 1: are not attracted to hot They're attracted to energy and confidence,

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Speaker 1: and like, yeah, someone's owning the room. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's a big mistake that young women make. And I

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Speaker 1: really instill that in my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's great. You're a great mom. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I wish my you know, it's not like I wish

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Speaker 2: my mom did. It's just ballroom dancing, right, You're already

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Speaker 2: going there and it's very it is material, but you

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Speaker 2: don't put on the glitter and the spray tands until

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Speaker 2: you've done the blood, sweat and tears in the rehearsal space.

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Speaker 2: So there's like a good balance of like you're not

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Speaker 2: even gonna put the lashes on if you're not an

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Speaker 2: expert at what you do, so like that's the reward

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Speaker 2: in a way. But when it goes back, when you

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Speaker 2: go back to what you were saying, it's the women

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Speaker 2: that you were saying that they were single and depressed.

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Speaker 2: It's because of the fact that they were just not

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Speaker 2: enjoying their own company. Like the alone wasn't that they

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Speaker 2: weren't okay with being alone. They were just lonely, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and leading with the superficials what you're saying, it's

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Speaker 1: not it's the frosting and it's great. It's not the life,

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Speaker 1: it's the lifestyle. Like you can have you can make

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Speaker 1: a lifestyle out of a life that you can't make

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Speaker 1: a life out of a life totally. So all right,

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Speaker 1: so we'll talk about later. How many of these couples

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Speaker 1: partners on reality TV, where you can't believe they're saying

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Speaker 1: to air, But I sometimes feel like each partner is

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Speaker 1: using the audience, Like sometimes it happens with a therapist.

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Speaker 1: You go with your partner to the therapist, and you

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Speaker 1: want the therapists to agree with you or like you more,

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Speaker 1: trying to get the audience to hate her, to hate Tamera.

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Speaker 2: But can you manipulate I guess you can. Actually you

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Speaker 2: probably could manipulate it because what they have on tape

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Speaker 2: is what they haven't too well.

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Speaker 1: Kids Also, you'll see it happened recently with Garcell where

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Speaker 1: the kids sort of said some raw stuff a clip

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Speaker 1: of it, and you're like, these kids resent this lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: Of course another has, and so they're gonna dig when

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Speaker 1: they have to work. And it feels like Simon is emasculated.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously not working sheet she let us know. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes the lesser financially confident spouse exerts their power. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in this way, the man feels inferior. And a show

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Speaker 1: like this, this happened with Nannie and Greg, A show

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Speaker 1: like this brings that to light. When now she's getting

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Speaker 1: any attention, she's making your own money, And it seems

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Speaker 1: like Simon really just does not want her to pop

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Speaker 1: out of the whack of mop.

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Speaker 2: His fault is that I hate when men say you

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Speaker 2: make me. First of all, I can't make you feel

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Speaker 2: like anything, and you know that it all starts with you,

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Speaker 2: so you're making yourself feel like it. But you could

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Speaker 2: change it if you'd like. You could maybe get a job.

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Speaker 2: You know, you've got two hands, two legs, two eyes,

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Speaker 2: two ears. You know, maybe even if you don't, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter, you could still work like you could actually

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Speaker 2: work like people who say, I blame you for making

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Speaker 2: me feel like I have no gohons you know what?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Something?

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Speaker 1: No, you're trig No, you're you're you're you hit you

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Speaker 1: hit it, you hit you hit it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Like, but that's the thing. It's like my therapist.

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Speaker 2: And though it took me a while to get it

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Speaker 2: the way I felt, but it's not that they're making

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I've been on reality TV and I've

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Speaker 1: But for me, this limo argument, this closet argument, this

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Speaker 2: I just think I stand with you, girl, right, I

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Speaker 1: Well, people should be explored, not exploited.

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Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, And they should have had

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Speaker 2: Up so the number to call, Like it's crazy that

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Speaker 1: which is hard for people to hear. And I don't

431
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: know if that's true, but let's say.

432
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's worse, sometimes worse. I've had have had it both,

433
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 2: and it's sometimes worse.

434
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: Right because it's it's a long stematic yeah, systematic, and

435
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: you don't realize it's coming. It's like gaining a quarter

436
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: of a pound every month. You don't see it, and

437
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: then one day you've gained twenty pounds.

438
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, and so it's a mental It's like,

439
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: I know people over use it, but narcissists, you know,

440
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: being gaslighted, like it's just the whole thing. It's it's

441
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: like it's a manipulation, especially for like they tend to

442
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: go after people who may have anxious attachments, you know,

443
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 2: which I which I am full of anxious attachment, so

444
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: abandonment issues, who's been abused when she's a little girl,

445
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: Like it's that, it's it's just they tend to.

446
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 1: Just you are right. And it's funny because so this

447
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: is an example of me saying they're riding right up

448
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: to the line, but as responsible adults that signed releases,

449
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: they're exploring what's going on with their relationship. They're choosing

450
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: to share that. I don't think so people who want

451
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: to go on reality TV. I don't think that it

452
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: should be all like Hallmark Channel. I'm just saying, no,

453
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: you ride up to the line, you don't cross it, right.

454
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: But where is there a fine line of also protection

455
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: like in general, right, Like you would think that especially

456
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: with the cast, like there's no protection, like there's the network. Look,

457
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: I worked for NBC. I took a break from Dancing

458
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: with the Stars, I did a show called I Can

459
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 2: Do That with like Joe Jonas, Sierra, Nicole Scherzinger or whatever,

460
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 2: and then working for that network versus ABC was such

461
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: a huge Like I'm not saying that either or protected

462
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: me more or less, but the treatment, like the little things, right,

463
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: like what do you want for lunch?

464
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 3: Or like.

465
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: You know, we would reshoot things if you didn't look good.

466
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, we all have

467
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 2: the same goal, right, whether it's a dance show, whether

468
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: it's live or not, it's irrelevant, Like we all want

469
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: to make the show look good as a whole. That's

470
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: why we work so hard. And I think that sometimes

471
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: it gets lost in translation a little bit, you know,

472
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: as to like, yeah, are we a producer, Like what

473
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: are we? You know? Like, yeah, we just the second

474
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: just the dancer, which is fine. I totally get it,

475
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: but there is a fine like you can't also ignore us,

476
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: like we're also part of this partnership.

477
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I think that this scene is triggering

478
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: but good to watch. It's a cautionary tale and we're

479
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: having a conversation that I think is important. Now there

480
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: she's now the chor issues are coming out. You go

481
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: fuck yourself, she says to him. And if you are

482
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: working and making money, now when you've said this on TV,

483
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: you are at the brink, Like maybe this is her

484
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: saying I'm going to go on this ride because I

485
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: know I'm getting divorced, so it doesn't matter. Break all

486
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: the glasses in the house, like she has to be

487
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: in this scene knowing this isn't going to work. And

488
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: it's funny that you just use the word gas lighting

489
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: because that word wasn't used back then. And I he

490
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: is the classic case. He resents her. He wants the

491
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: audience to hate her, and he is vying for our

492
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: attention by saying nasty things. And then when they how

493
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: triggering was when they get out of the car, No,

494
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I love you like I just hit you,

495
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: but I love you.

496
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: Like he grabbed her a couple of times.

497
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: This becomes a foreshadowing because he sides with Gina and

498
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: becomes like friends with Gina, and it becomes a major

499
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: early was trying to No, I don't think so. I

500
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: think he just wants to still be close to this

501
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: situation or you know, it's a small community. These are

502
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: gated communities.

503
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: I did Teddy's and Tamra's podcast, like I would say,

504
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago now, and she did talk

505
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: this is when I was fresh off my separation, and

506
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: Tama did refer back to this.

507
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also think she's spinning out in the

508
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: scene because she's aware that now he's questioned her motherhood

509
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe she's not with her kids a

510
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: lot because he's a nightmare and he's hovering over the

511
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: kids a lot of times. Husbands want to overcompensate during

512
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: times of divorce and because they want to seem like

513
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: the super parent and get the kids to like them more.

514
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: It's really a lot. There's a lot of dynamics. But

515
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is, she got triggered and does later in

516
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: the years on the show about her as a parent,

517
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: and she ended up having some issues with one of

518
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: her daughters, which is her own business. And that might

519
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: be a line where you are exploiting, we are You're

520
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: going too far to me.

521
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: I'm happy I don't have kids. I mean, I'm not

522
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: happy I don't have kids, but I'm happy I didn't

523
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: have kids. I guess because that is I can only

524
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: imagine how complicated, that is. But I also I wonder

525
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: if she decided to say this all on camera so

526
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: that she held herself accountable for getting to get a divorce.

527
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because it's like, it's one

528
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: thing when you're not when you're hide egged. Maybe maybe not,

529
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: but then it's one thing to say it and to

530
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: allow it to happen, because now you have to that exactly.

531
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: She told everybody that exactly exactly, so they're out of

532
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: the car, and then he's like he's trying to pretend

533
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: that he cares, but he can't even hold on to

534
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: that long enough to say, where's your ring?

535
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: I know, but I know it so well. I don't

536
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: want to label him a narcissis, but I am basically

537
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: saying there's traits of.

538
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: No, he's really by the way. I know it too.

539
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I know it too. I had a miscarriage and someone

540
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: said to me, you're a piece of shit after it

541
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: because I knew we were in a bad place in

542
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: our relationship. I didn't like the secret abuse. It's usually

543
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: the abuse is something that is secret. You're very charming

544
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: and captivating at a party with everybody else. Hey, Dan,

545
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: has your golf game at home. Though, it's the comments,

546
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: it's the digs, it's the abuse I totally experienced.

547
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: Or not letting her wear what she wants, or not

548
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: letting her have friends because she was having that. You

549
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: know that that happens.

550
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: Totally and I love you, but get your priorities straight.

551
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, he took no responsibility for any of it.

552
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: It's all just you just need to act like a wife.

553
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: He said. I'm like, what the hell does that mean?

554
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: What does that mean? What does that mean? That's so triggeric?

555
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: I can't extensions.

556
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: It's and then give me a kiss.

557
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: Ew I was sorry.

558
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: I discribed that was like being violated God.

559
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: And she divorced him. I'm assuming soon after, right.

560
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of this episode they say they

561
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: filed for divorce and I wrote down that what goes

562
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: on off camera must be out of control.

563
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: And then her friend, if Vicky was was telling her like,

564
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: you've got to stick up for me if your husbands

565
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: in the wrong, and then saying to her as well,

566
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: like you need to be your own woman. And he

567
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: hated that. So that's why they gotten that fight.

568
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: Think, oh, interesting, you're right, and even the way she

569
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: was he had to make a snide calm and he

570
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: was like Vicky's leading Don. Don and Vicky are also divorced.

571
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: They had a whole like renewing of their vows seasons

572
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: before this and renewed their love tank was empty, so

573
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: they filled up their love tank and she works a

574
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: lot that like their love tank was on empty, wasn't

575
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: full of love. And that's the guy Don. But I

576
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: liked on like I like it.

577
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. He rubs me the wrong he always did,

578
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: not now, but like he did rub me the wrong way.

579
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: I don't know.

580
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: The other one like this A little slightly like this too.

581
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: No, just a little bit like I just wonder if

582
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: he was like an opportunist type.

583
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they probably joined this thing

584
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: together as an opportunity.

585
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, because.

586
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: In the beginning it's kind of like you get paid

587
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: nothing and you both have to be on board.

588
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: And he joined you get paid nothing like zero dollars.

589
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: I got paid hundred fifty dollars and I was after them.

590
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: So the first episode no season what what? Yeah? Legal,

591
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it has to be legal because it's

592
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: not a workplace. It's not a legal workplace.

593
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: Thousand for how many episodes does that that's.

594
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: I think it was the first twelve, but they probably

595
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: added like several or maybe it was eight and they

596
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: added four.

597
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: It was you know, yeah, total total, seventh total season.

598
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: Contract said, yeah, but that's the Bethany clause. When I

599
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: saw that number, I said, I don't care about that.

600
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I only care that no one can ever take a

601
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: piece of my business. And that's what the Bethany clause

602
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: is about.

603
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: So that's a real thing.

604
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Good for you, Yeah, because I crossed that out. So,

605
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: and it's not that every single every single person does

606
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: sign it, but networks aren't really auditing that. But if

607
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: somebody goes and sells their company for one hundred million dollars,

608
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: then they are going to go audit that.

609
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: Then the union, are you.

610
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: No, it's not a union, not union. So and Laurie

611
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: was an og I told you better. She comes in

612
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: with her second husband.

613
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: They do like they're coming out of Dancing of the Stars. Though,

614
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: it's so funny the.

615
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: Ten ten slacked.

616
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: Chanelle gl like tight dance pants, yeah, Cuban heels like

617
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: those heels for men, yes.

618
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Exactly, Like everyone looks like they're on an episode dancing

619
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: with stars as a dancer, like tuxedo pants. It's the

620
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: worst style, Joe, Like, it's like shiny polish. It's so bad.

621
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. It's so bad.

622
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: And I mean, if they were dancing, it would look better.

623
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying yeah, because you lean into it.

624
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: They were good dancing. Yeah.

625
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like a costume They were all wearing

626
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: costumes and it wasn't a costume party.

627
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: And it is back then. That was in two thousand and.

628
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: Six, I know, and like the same Regis is gorgeous

629
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: and it didn't deserve that, Like, you know, they didn't

630
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: deserve it. It looked so beautiful and so polished and

631
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: clean and like waspy, and they just were like what

632
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: they had like grease on them, all of them. They

633
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: all looked so shellacked and chanelled.

634
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 2: I had a dance studio in Orange County. I'm just like,

635
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: I love people, I love the people, but I'm just

636
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: not an Orange you know.

637
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: So Laurie's shit stirring. She just walks up to Gretchen

638
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, by the way, I did date him,

639
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Like what upside is there for that?

640
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

641
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: So what you're not even good friends with her. What

642
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: do you give a shit?

643
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Who's but a producer told her to say this. I listen,

644
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: I took over for Abby Lee Miller for Dance Moms,

645
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: And now that was crazy, like because I I was

646
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: on a reality show. But it's not really. I would

647
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: say it's more a variety show because it's not as

648
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: like it's not live like that, right, like we're not

649
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: using our mouths so much as our bodies, like as

650
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: far as like our rehearsal goes. So the package is

651
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: there's so much happening in that rehearsal time for four days,

652
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: as you know, you did skating with the stars, but

653
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: then they cut it however they want to cut it right,

654
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: and then like when we're live, they don't ask the

655
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: dancers anything and it's just about the reactions that that

656
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: they get and how hard we worked and then the performance.

657
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: So it's like, but on Dance Moms, they were full

658
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: on whispering in my ear what to say the.

659
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: Mom oh wow, this yeah, this happens in the car

660
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: before people get out, or they could pull you aside

661
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: at a party in another room. But it's like, hey,

662
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: remember to talk to Gretcha about the fact that you

663
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: dated a slade, and I would not always like, if

664
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: someone tells men to say something, I'm not necessarily going

665
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: to say it. I did say a lot. I didn't

666
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: mention at all. But this reminded me of when I

667
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: met Paul, when we got started to get serious. You

668
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: know how other women are about a woman who gets

669
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: like a good guy who's smart but looking and wealthy.

670
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: It's like Piranha's blood in the water. And I remember

671
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: this woman that I like and I'm and she didn't

672
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: realize she was saying something about it. She's like, oh,

673
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: do you know anyone like I'm trying to date And

674
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: she said, oh, how are you? I heard you're dating

675
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: you know Paul And she said, oh yeah, I matched

676
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: with him on Riyah. But we just never got to

677
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: get what.

678
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: The ho hell says that this girl? And it's like

679
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: your friend is she.

680
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: Not good friend?

681
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: No?

682
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: Like, I mean I know I know her better than

683
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: I know you. Now you wouldn't say that to me.

684
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: Hell hell no, Like that is so wrong. That is

685
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: just not etiquette. You don't do that.

686
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: No.

687
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: It made me feel like he was like, you'se goods

688
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: and she only matched with him like he was on

689
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: an app. It's how we met. Like I matched with

690
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: people too. If someone said to him, oh, I match

691
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: with Bethany, I just didn't have time to meet her,

692
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: he'd feel lesser.

693
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: Then why say that? I hate when women are like that,

694
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: Like why can't we just all root for each other?

695
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing. It's just so nasty.

696
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: It's own nasty, and resenting other people is like poison,

697
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: and it does poison. It is you and poisons says it. Yeah,

698
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: so Laurie doesn't seem that happy either, but I don't

699
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: know her, and I think she's still with her guy.

700
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: And that was just that's also a former house so

701
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: it probably wants to be relevant in this current episode

702
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: and just is like, let me just do some.

703
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Real ram When you did the show, I left.

704
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: After three seasons when it was just I mean, we

705
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: weren't even making you know, I was probably making one

706
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars seventy one hundred Yeah, over a hundred time.

707
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: You must have left because you weren't happy, right.

708
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: Right, And I wasn't rich outside the housewise, I just

709
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: wasn't happy. I thought I could see the signs earlier

710
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: when you when you what happens is it's a vicious cycle.

711
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: So you don't have people binge then starve, then you

712
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: feel better when that Then you binge and you comfort yourself,

713
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: but then you feel better when you starve. Like it's

714
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: a bad cycle and you forget what it was like.

715
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: If you remembered how bad you felt when you binge,

716
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do it again. But you do do it again.

717
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: And because it's a bad cycle. That's what reality TV is.

718
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Whether Tamra or Kyle, or Luan or Erica all want

719
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: to pretend that when Kyle realized her screamed her sister,

720
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: you're an alcoholic, or when Luan got arrested, or when

721
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Erica had her husband being investigated, all these things, they

722
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: wanted to leave. They've all wanted to leave Lisa vander Pump,

723
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: everyone hated her, Ninni, her husband had cancer. They all

724
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: wanted to leave. But what happens is you've got to

725
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: support yourself. The fame is a drug.

726
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it's it's addicting like it is.

727
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: And you get rinsed off just enough after a season

728
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 1: and after it's airing to have a couple of months

729
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: to just relax. You forget and you crave the fame

730
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: again and the relevant because you are the attention. You're

731
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: not as relevant when you're not on it, and when

732
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: you are.

733
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: On it that relevant. I really hate that word.

734
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: I know, but you're.

735
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: Not so nasty, like, yes, but you are relevant. But

736
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: in this world that like Hollywood and entertainment in the

737
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: reality side, Yes, I.

738
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: Hear you topic currently relevant in the pop culture's sphere.

739
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: And also if you crave just attention on a small scale,

740
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: like someone's putting a microphone on you, someone's talking to you,

741
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: they're coming to your house. I despise having cameras at

742
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: my house, Like that's my one of my biggest problems.

743
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: I did like actually still hey, like it's.

744
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Funny because it triggered me. The other day I had

745
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: a camera crew here for a very elevated show. Like

746
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: lately I've been doing New York Magazine and Vanity Fair

747
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: Nightline and like Chris Wallace and c and then like

748
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: real stuff. And it doesn't matter who it is. When

749
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: a camera's in my space and there are producers, I

750
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: feel violated and it brings me right back to them,

751
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: just like taping up being in your bathroom. You're in

752
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: your underwear. You want. You know that you're getting paid,

753
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: so they're supposed to be there, but you feel like

754
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: someone is in your purse digging through it.

755
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right, and then I can just

756
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: add on to that, like it gets me really bitchy.

757
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm not bitchy, Like I'm very very polite.

758
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: You know, back in the day because of the abuse,

759
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: I couldn't talk in front of the camera, like I've

760
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: gone through some major media training, I guess you could

761
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: say from when I started the show, because it was

762
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: like live media training, like I had to drink. I

763
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: didn't have to, but I did. I had to drink

764
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: before my master interviews because I couldn't say fucking complete sentence.

765
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. So to answer your question, was I happy? I

766
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: can have been happy because I left after three years

767
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: and the only thing that got me back was money,

768
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: an unprecedented amount that Bravo was paying per episode. That

769
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: was an offer I couldn't refuse, of course, and then

770
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: each year the money got more and so I just

771
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: stayed as long as I possibly could without it being

772
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a head of the entertainment industry, like

773
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: one of a big powerhouse guy that's like top twenty

774
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: most powerful in Hollywood on lists, And he said to me,

775
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: soon it's going to be a situation where like people

776
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: are just thinking, why the hell is she doing this,

777
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make any sense that you're there, and

778
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: not because I'm better then just because it's really gross.

779
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: My daughter thinks it's embarrassing and trashy. That's what she says.

780
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: And she's not a judgmental kid. Yeah, she's like, it's mom,

781
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing and it's trashy. Yeah, thirteen, So it's embarrassing

782
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: and it's trashy. You could you could cover it in

783
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: as much frosting as you want.

784
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: I think my team pitched me to do The Housewives,

785
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: and I guess it's meant to be that they weren't

786
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: even like I don't see you see it's hard, Like

787
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could do that, Like I

788
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: see Lisa, so I know Lisa Renna, I know Lisa

789
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: vander Pump, I know Erica. It just it's a lot

790
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: like I think for me, I don't know if I

791
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: would have any setus. I don't know if it would

792
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: fill me up.

793
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Listen, it's tempting I see why women.

794
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: Want it, though, way if the money's not good, I

795
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: don't know.

796
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: Well, the money at the beginning stages is not. But

797
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: certain people like Teddy really wants to be on. She

798
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: loves to be in that sphere. Yes, Lisa Renna really

799
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: has experienced an awakening because she was really fully immersed

800
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: in the machine and having left, it's you know, changed

801
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: her family and and you can see.

802
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: She still does QVC, right, isn't she still She.

803
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Doesn't still do QVC And that also is a separate

804
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: bag of difficulty. I've been through that whole machine that's

805
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: been possible. I'd rather do the housewives and.

806
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: I couldn't hit their freaking goals like are you kidd ach?

807
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: But just the feeling and the neon lights and six

808
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: hours of talking, I don't That's not for me. That's

809
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: sole crushing to me. I don't like doing that. And

810
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: they're lovely people. It has nothing to do with that,

811
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: totally not for me. Lynn's daughters at.

812
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's like that's the thing that's another

813
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: trigger warning or don't do it. You shouldn't err that,

814
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: like nowadays you couldn't do that shit.

815
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't think, oh Okay, it's funny that you say that.

816
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: So the daughter's drunk. Now, there's a couple of things

817
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: that you do and don't know. The first thing is

818
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: that the daughter is drunk and we've been told that

819
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: she's seventeen. I agree with you. That's where you've crossed

820
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: the line. Now you're exploiting. Number one, These kids are

821
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: not being paid even for future trust. Number two, what

822
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: you missed is that the parents just got a VICTI

823
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: from their home on camera. God, that's another line. Wait, really,

824
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: that's why they're talking about finances. Yeah, that's a line crossed.

825
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: Tamera and Simon arguing like like a couple does not normal,

826
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: but like couples do. That's to adults. That's exploring exploitation.

827
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: Is a seventeen year old a seventeen year old girls

828
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: drinking and the cameras aren't stopping to intervene and saying

829
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: we cannot be part of this at all.

830
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: They kept going, I was like, okay, okay, it's a liability.

831
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: What about that if that girl drives? I mean, it's

832
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: it's a liability. It's like seventeen, it's a liability. And

833
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: the crew that's when they should stop. So when they say, now, oh,

834
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: there's no problem with alcohol on sets, despite putting out

835
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: statements that they're changing the whole entire process because of

836
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: the reality reckoning. It's total bullshit and we can't hide

837
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: this episode. There's a young girl who's drunk at a

838
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: party and the cameras keep rolling.

839
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: Wait, so they that's illegal though, so they don't get

840
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: in trouble.

841
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens.

842
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: No production, shit gets shut down, Like that's illegal.

843
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Production should gets shut down? But like, also what about Well,

844
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a couple of stories. So number one,

845
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: both of these girls watch their parents get evicted on television.

846
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: So many other girls, like Dina Manzo's daughter, has talked

847
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: publicly about the fact that she's still traumatized from what

848
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: happened to her on reality TV, so has Ali's Aaron.

849
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: So these two girls watch their parents get evicted on television.

850
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: That's the line crossed. Were wasted and we don't know

851
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: were they not a lot? Did they not get into

852
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: college because of this? And at the end and the

853
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: end credit the outro, it says that she got her license,

854
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: but the dad can't afford to buy her a car.

855
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: That's the line cross too. It's degrading and disgusting.

856
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: That is so, I mean that is messed up in

857
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: your contracts that you sign. I mean, I signed my

858
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: life away. The first contract I signed was like a

859
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: ten year contract, you know. So it's like but still

860
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: there has to be a little tiny claws and fine, right,

861
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 2: like a small print that says you can't exploit people.

862
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: Right and and like intentionally try to yes ruin their lives,

863
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: ruin their lives like that, A man, these.

864
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: People are not gonna get employed again, are you kidding?

865
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: Like there's no way.

866
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: Like I would hire someone when it said on television

867
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: that they couldn't afford a car and they got evicted

868
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: from their home. Like it's damaging to the husbands, the

869
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: husbands that don't get paid and the kids. It's degrading

870
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: to the whole family. And let me tell you a

871
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: cautionary tale. Laurie, the one who's on the first season House,

872
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: so I have the same thing. Her kids were all exploited.

873
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: Her kids have been in an out of trouble with

874
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: the law, like big time, like arrests, multiple arrests. Full

875
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: rap sheet. These two girls both went into porn. What

876
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: both went into porn. The two sisters, Raquela and Alexa,

877
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and both of them have been on the porn track,

878
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: and one of them had serious brushes with the law

879
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: and had was awarded a settlement because of a police person,

880
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: a police person assaulting her. It's a whole disaster. And

881
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: that's not what Andy Cohen discusses a Bravo comedy, discusses

882
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: that he just wants to be filled with joy because

883
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: of how this show has just done so many great

884
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: things for so many people. So that's of course a

885
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: touching story that everyone's full of joy. But this woman

886
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: and her kids are you know, have been through the

887
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: ringer and you can't blame the show for everything, but

888
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: I bet it didn't help.

889
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: Well are they still on the show?

890
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: No? This is they were fired? Why after this? Yeah,

891
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: they were fired after this, and I think the perfect

892
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: people have said that that that they were fired also

893
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: because I don't want.

894
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: To go that's your liability. It's a liability, the whole thing.

895
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: And to your point about.

896
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: On both sides, Yeah, the mom.

897
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Is certainly not being a parent. She wants to be

898
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: liked by her kids. The father isn't being a parent.

899
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: You could see it right there. Like, oh, well, she'll

900
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: get older. Like you would shut that down, like I

901
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: would shut it down in front of everybody. I would like,

902
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: get over here, we are leaving now. This is unacceptable.

903
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I apologize to all of you. This is accept Like

904
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: stop the camera.

905
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: I would have been, So why don't they do that?

906
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: Because they're scared to lose their job.

907
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I just think that that's probably everyone seems to think

908
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: that's the dynamic that they've had as parents. And it's

909
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: funny because, yeah, well you see the daughter saying things

910
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: that children they're really smart when they're young, like even

911
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: thirteen year old.

912
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: You let me tell you.

913
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying my daughter will say like, mom, can

914
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: we be present right now? Or she'll say to me, yeah,

915
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: she'll say can we be present? Or she'll say no.

916
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I feel they see things more clearly because they haven't

917
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: been bogged down with language we've all taught them. So

918
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: she'll just say like, I feel like, right now, you're

919
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: probably a little frustrated about something else, but you're taking

920
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: it out on me. Like she'll say something that's evolved.

921
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: She's very do She's not in therapy.

922
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: She is in therapy once once every two weeks, but

923
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: these words aren't his words, and they're kind of they're

924
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: just her own words. And I'm saying, this girl feelings. Yeah, yeah,

925
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: this girl seems like she's.

926
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Gone through trauma. Who knows what happened to her. By

927
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: the way, as a kid, like you know, when I

928
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: got sexually abused, it was when my family, my parents

929
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: or my stepdad and my mom were working, like trying

930
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: to put food on the table. But then you know,

931
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: I was being taken care of. You just never know,

932
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: and then that obviously is a domino effect. Maybe she

933
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: saw things she shouldn't have seen. Maybe you know, we

934
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: just don't know.

935
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: Well, you heard her say I want to go home

936
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: because they you didn't know that they were just evicted.

937
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, I just right, yeah, yes, now I understand.

938
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: Oh poor girl.

939
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So she said I want to go home,

940
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: and she's also saying like I missed the old you

941
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: or something to that effect. And to me, that's because

942
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: they're on a show and they have to film because

943
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: the production insists that the kids film, and the kids

944
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: don't get paid, not even in a college or a

945
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: trust fund.

946
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: Imagine how these parents feel, like the guilt and the shame,

947
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: Like maybe they were thinking they were going to get

948
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: a huge payday, and that's why they did this, regardless

949
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: of if they got evicted or not. There was no

950
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: boundaries for them exactly.

951
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: And it still goes on. In many cases. People saw

952
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: the success I had, so they think, let me go

953
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: on there and exploit myself and I'm gonna be on

954
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: the cover of Forbes magazine. And it's not a guarantee

955
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: by any means. No.

956
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: And by the way, when we were on saying, I'm

957
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: not putting me in your thing in your pool. But

958
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: like obviously back in the day before social media, it

959
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: was so different, like it was a different ballgame. It

960
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: just was like I had same thing, Like it's endorsements now,

961
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Like there's no way, it just doesn't happen, doesn't happen

962
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: as much.

963
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: That's no, because everybody's on the take and everyone's going

964
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: for the same.

965
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: But why hire one person when you can hire ten

966
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: for the same amount of people and you're getting all

967
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: this exposure from all ten of people's social media accounts,

968
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: like it's better for them.

969
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: So true, and Raquel, she says, I want my old

970
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: family back, And that's about the show. That's about the

971
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: shooting oh does that make sense?

972
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: Yes, because the shooting makes them change their personality and

973
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: it's not really her mother, right, Or.

974
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: No, because they're all because they're putting up a sod. No,

975
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: because sometimes there'll be a shoot here at my house

976
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: that's not even a big one and it's an hour

977
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: two hours, and my daughter feels a little invaded. She

978
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: feels a little violated. She doesn't love that, you know,

979
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: it's like in her house and she feels like a

980
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: it's very rare, but yea. Or we're at an event

981
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: and I can't be present with her at the jingle

982
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: ball because I'm doing all the public stuff and to

983
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: who cares I'm working? And that you don't how does work? Book? Still,

984
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: the point is if all of a sudden, you're like,

985
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: mommy signed on to do this, and now we're all

986
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: doing this, and they're like, we want to get some

987
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: stuff with your kids, and we want to get this,

988
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: and the cameras are leaning in more when you're dealing

989
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: with a real teen problem of teenage drinking, and now

990
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: the cameras are still there, the daughter's crying. She also

991
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: is not stupid. She knows there are cameras. She wants

992
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: her old family back, the family that wasn't living with

993
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: cameras on in their house that she didn't sign up for.

994
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Is a tween going through teen drama.

995
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: Did you hear her say I didn't know what they

996
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: were doing on the other side of the limo. Our

997
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: limo was so long. It's like, girl, remember, wait, what

998
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: explained she was saying that, Like, I didn't know. I

999
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: guess she goes she'd had no idea her kids were drunk,

1000
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: because I guess she says that they were on the

1001
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: other side of the limo and that they were pouring

1002
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: alcohol and I guess water bottles come on. Like no, now,

1003
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: if you're not that present, then you know what, like

1004
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have kids because like you need to be aware.

1005
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: No, and that's also not true. Yes, you never know

1006
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: if they were like fine, you can have one drink because.

1007
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they were drinking together. Like listen, I moved to

1008
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: Europe when I was thirteen years old. I've said this before.

1009
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: I've lost my virginity. A lot is just different for people, right,

1010
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: but like, look, regardless you're young, like I wish I

1011
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: would have had more of a chaperoneish.

1012
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: Well, I was definitely drinking at that age. But I

1013
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't have wanted to be in that circumstance. I

1014
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: couldn't have handled the emotions of all that going on,

1015
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: the eviction, the drinking, the parents on TV. It sounds traumatic.

1016
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was. I was. I'm so grateful

1017
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: for my mother to put me in therapy because it

1018
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: was really hard for me to translate my feelings into words.

1019
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: But like that, it's expensive, it's unattainable.

1020
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about your seventeen so challenging, the way

1021
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: your body looks, the way you feel, trying to get

1022
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: into college. Don't know what you're doing with your life,

1023
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: trying to college, keep up airs you didn't go well,

1024
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if she did either, But you're trying

1025
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: to be survive as a teen, and then you get evicted.

1026
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: Everyone knows, Then it goes, then it airs six months

1027
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: later on television. Everybody in the world knows. And then

1028
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: the last thing says that you got your license, but

1029
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: your dad, who you're supposed to look up to, couldn't

1030
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: afford to buy you a car. Oh so, sad, I

1031
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: guarantee they'll hear this episode and have feelings about.

1032
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. It's like it's going to be

1033
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: there forever now.

1034
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad they're but they're probably feeling seen

1035
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: by us because most people don't think about this or talking.

1036
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: And also I have compassion and empathy for their hustle

1037
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: in a way, like honestly, like they're probably traumatized, Like

1038
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: how are they going to make, you know, being evicted?

1039
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: I can't even. I can't. Also, I don't necessarily agree

1040
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: with porn, but like, look, there are other ways. But

1041
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: I am a hustler. Look, I used to dance on

1042
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: the streets with my parents. My mom would ground me

1043
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 2: because I didn't get enough. My grades weren't high enough.

1044
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: I was not necessarily book smart, a street smart. But

1045
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: I made like two thousand dollars in my Adida's Rippleways,

1046
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: dance my ass off at Union Square. I'm from San Francisco,

1047
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: so it's like, you know, I gotta do what you

1048
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: gotta fucking do.

1049
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, I would one hundred percent strip, yeah, like

1050
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: Nini did to support my daughter, one hundred percent. Absolutely,

1051
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: But I would find it way more degrading to be

1052
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: evicted than to be in porn.

1053
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree.

1054
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, Gina seems to be doing a good job

1055
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: with her daughter. Her daughter, Kara was lovely. She's the

1056
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: one who walked up at the end and was like, oh,

1057
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: really taking care of Raquel, Like I wonder where she

1058
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: is now because she was seems well raised and she

1059
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: seemed to handle the situation really well.

1060
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: How old was she she was older?

1061
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: That seems she's like I had my.

1062
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: Brother brought a hot, hot friend or something. Was that her?

1063
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like nineteen or twenty or something? Yeah, yeah,

1064
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: and even you know, I guess it's I guess it's

1065
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: because I'm a mother now and I'm older watching this

1066
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: like I was younger and I was so desperate to

1067
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: be anything or to do anything. And there's no way

1068
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: they say that. The big line is that these people

1069
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: signed up for this. There's nobody signed up for what

1070
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I just described.

1071
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: No, and and the payday isn't that great anyway, so

1072
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: why would they.

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00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: They don't have a payday. The kids don't get paid.

1074
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: All right, so no one signed it's not fair to

1075
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: say that. I hate when people say that the.

1076
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Kids didn't sign up for anything. No, the kids didn't

1077
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: sign up for anything. Even tam Or's son Ryan, who

1078
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: he's saying his his his end thing was like she's

1079
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: talking about he's really great and he's really doing well

1080
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: at this job. Then they at the end have to

1081
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: say Ryan lost his job. He's now doing this like

1082
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: it's a kid?

1083
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 3: Why?

1084
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: Why though, why.

1085
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: To make him to make it look like everything we

1086
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: said in the show? Yeah, it's just like he's a kid.

1087
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: He's he's a child of someone on the show.

1088
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: Like again, still do reality TV without exploiting people? I

1089
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: really believe it.

1090
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: That's what That's exactly what I'm saying. And I that's

1091
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm saying. You can't have signed up.

1092
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: For this dance moms and sometimes and I see these

1093
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: like a toddlers and tiar it if there's a fine

1094
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: line like this is uh. And unfortunately though, it's that

1095
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: type of stuff that makes people want to watch. I

1096
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: guess I guess the ratings must you know, Spike, But

1097
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: at what expense? Right, like literally ruining someone's life.

1098
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: And I think that you know who could control all

1099
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: of this is the advertisers. The whole thing is run

1100
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: by the advertisers and what they'll pay for, so add

1101
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, I put the responsibility on the streamers and

1102
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: the networks, which it is, but even the bigger power

1103
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: than the networks and the streamers is the advertisers. If

1104
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: the advertisers say, we're not advertising on something where you

1105
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: have an underage girl drinking or you're you know, showing

1106
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: physical abuse or something like that, we won't advertise on it.

1107
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: So that's going to be the next thing because when

1108
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: things happen that people don't like, they go after the advertisers.

1109
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: How about streaming there's no commercials, not there's advertisers.

1110
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: No streaming, you're right on streaming.

1111
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: But there is Disney plus there is right now.

1112
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so yeah, it's the you know, the advertisers

1113
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: have to wake up and say because then years ago

1114
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: it used to be glamorized for people to smoke on TV,

1115
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: and everyone thought that was normal. If you start to

1116
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: see people ripping each other's hair out and things on TV,

1117
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: that may seem cool.

1118
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,479
Speaker 2: But how about for talent, isn't that doesn't it start

1119
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: with you too? Like I think it's a little right,

1120
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: like why would I mean, it's too hard to change

1121
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: people like you can't but like as women, people do

1122
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: anything for fame though it's really hard. I think it's

1123
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: better off what you were saying.

1124
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: No, but you're so stressed out. It's such a good

1125
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: idea to have a cocktail if it makes you feel calmer,

1126
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: and it makes you do stupid things and you feel dehydrated.

1127
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: And but if you're sober, that's why they're not hiring wedding.

1128
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: No being sober. Yeah, well they hire a few people

1129
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: that are sober, but they usually hope that they fall

1130
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: off the wagon. Then it's oh, that's horrible.

1131
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: No, wait, really that is so that is disgusting. I

1132
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: never want to I would never That is so nasty.

1133
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: It's not outward. They're not like, hey, Cheryl, thanks for

1134
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: joining me.

1135
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: No, but obviously they want that. Of course they want that.

1136
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: Now it makes sense, But that's disgusting.

1137
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: They say it to other people that is horrible. But

1138
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: they would often be like, oh my god, don't worry,

1139
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: Duranda's gonna get drunk and go crazy, or Luanne's definitely

1140
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: going to drink. And Luan did go to the program

1141
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: and Leah. That's why Leah has this whole lawsuit because

1142
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: she came in sober and it really wasn't something that

1143
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: he was she suing for. It's in a Vanity Fair

1144
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: article about disability. They violated a disability Act because they

1145
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of were really pushing for her to drink. They

1146
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: said she was more fun and funny drinking, and she

1147
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: did fall off the wagon, which is her responsibility.

1148
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: To your point, A, absolutely, so there's a fine line.

1149
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: I agree.

1150
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: You have to take full responsibility. That's part of the program.

1151
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: I mean that is a full accountability. No one makes

1152
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: you do anything, and no one makes you feel anything.

1153
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: No one makes you pick up a drink either.

1154
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I agree. And the end it says that Gretchen and

1155
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: Slade haven't gotten engaged, but he still hasn't gotten his

1156
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: best sectomy. So the happy ever ending happily ever after

1157
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: me Why because I think Slade has kids from another marriage.

1158
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: End Oh, got a best sectomy and he reversed it

1159
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: for Gretchen and they now have a baby.

1160
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: Hm. I know another couple who reversed so.

1161
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: They lived happily ever after.

1162
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: They're still together, that's right, and all the housewives are

1163
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: just jealous now kidding?

1164
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, So anyway, that was a

1165
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: rough one. My takeaway is glad the end, I'm glad

1166
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: Tamra met her husband Eddie and came out on the side.

1167
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still doing great, right, I mean, I don't.

1168
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: Know about their relationship, but they're still together, just like

1169
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: Gretchen and Slade. So the part two marriages on Orange

1170
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: County Housewives all seem to be working. Well.

1171
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's good.

1172
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me your Rose and your thorn, my dear

1173
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: of this episode.

1174
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: Gosh, my Rose would be looking at these, looking at

1175
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: like that specific triggering moment with that couple, and first

1176
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: of all, just realizing that I am on my way

1177
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: towards changing my how I choose men. Because the fact

1178
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: that I can just even recognize that in a way,

1179
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: it was almost I was like, oh, good on you.

1180
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: That's good. That's a positive Reality TV.

1181
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1182
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: They're sacrificial lambs for you, for.

1183
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: You to Yeah, I mean, I'm just like, I just

1184
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 2: like to try and test where I am in my brain,

1185
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: Like if I even think that there is something wrong

1186
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: or not, then you know, it's always good to know.

1187
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, and you're thorn Oh.

1188
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: That same moment.

1189
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: No, yes, I could.

1190
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: No, it's like under a drinking It's like seeing a camera.

1191
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: So I was I can totally relate to my gut.

1192
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: That makes me want to actually get emotional because of it.

1193
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was really hard to watch because I

1194
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: was her.

1195
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: You know, my name Rose and Thorn. Amazing. Wow.

1196
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for having you of course, Bye bye