1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back another edition of the OG podcast. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm here with We call him Og. You might know 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: him as Owen Daniels, the best tight end the Houston 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Texans have seen in their history and just a good 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: overall dude. Not just a great football player, but a 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: great man. Thanks again for you. You know what I will say. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Oh that's just real. When I was 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: down the dial doing my own show, I called you. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: You were there. When I was doing something else, I 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: called you. Showed up. We're doing this podcast, you know, 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: on Texan radio, and you show up. So man, I 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: just appreciate you as a person. Oh man, well, I 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: thank you for saying that. I appreciate you as a person. 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: As being a guy I could, like, uh, kind of 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: lean on when I was young, as far as you 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: you were, you taught me the ropes and but like 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: I could. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: Tell that I could tell you were taking these on. 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Me, like like the go indy, Like you could do 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: what he wants to do, whatever he wants to, but he's 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: teaching me along the way. And just you you were 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: always like one of my favorite favorite teammates a lot. 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: I appreciate that feelings mutual, you know what it was 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: when when at that time I was, you know, running 26 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: scout team and Kobik said, hey, if you heard that 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: the tight end your cut from the teams. I said, 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: all right, I know, I know who's going to help 29 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: us get to the promise, Lamb, But uh, now I 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: appreciate you. We're just gonna have some fun and uh 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: and shoot the breeze. You know, we just had the 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: draft here and you know, we talk about the first 33 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: round picks, the second round picks, but I always feel 34 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: like there's value in the later picks. And you're one 35 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: of those guys, you know, fourth round pick, been to 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: multiple Pro Bowls, won a Super Bowl. Can you just 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: kind of talk about and go back and memory what 38 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: was your draft day experience? Where were you expecting to 39 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: go and where you're disappointed, where you pumped? Like what 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: was those couple of days. 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: Like for you? It was it was way different back then, right. 42 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: It was like, wait, two day draft and the first 43 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: three rounds or on Saturday and the next four we're 44 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: on Sunday. And I was like a third to fifth 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: round projection in as far as I can remember. And 46 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: there were some picks later on that on that in 47 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: that third that first day, in the third round. Later 48 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: in the third round, I was like, well, maybe this 49 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: seems gonna take me team. And there's like I had 50 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: some people at the house and like it was good energy. 51 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: And it was later getting later in that first day 52 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: and everyone was kind of like getting quiet. You know, hey, 53 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: you got this all right, you know. So fortunately it 54 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: was crazy my Sunday morning, I got up you know, 55 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: draft starts like nine am, I think, and and I'm 56 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 2: up early. 57 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: I'm ready and hoping, hoping things is gonna go well. 58 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: And first thing, first thing, get a call from Coob 59 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: and the Texans. And while I'm on the line with them, 60 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: you know, answers some questions like have you been arrested? 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 3: You know, they all asked these questions. 62 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 2: You've been arrested, being in troublel you've staying out of 63 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: trouble whatever, you know whatever, check their own boxes and 64 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: I'm good man, just just here. At my I was 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: at my parents' house in Neighbor, Illinois. I had some 66 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: friends and family over and I actually had some some 67 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: people who were in town who were there the day 68 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: before who had made it to my house yet by 69 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: the time I got the. 70 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: Call and got drafted, it was going to happen earlier. 71 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm on the line and uh, someone else's 72 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: is ringing me and I can't get off this call. 73 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: This team says about the draftman right now. 74 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: And I looked at the number though, and I didn't 75 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know this area code back then it was 76 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: it was five h four, so I didn't match it up. 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: And then so I'm done with the Texans and that 78 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: number calls back and it was Sean Payton. 79 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: Really Sean Payton. 80 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: They had so that day, the Texans had the first 81 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: pick of the fourth round, first pick of the second day. 82 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: So I always say the first pick of the draft 83 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: on the second day, I love it. First pick of 84 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: the fourth round, ninety eighth pick. And New Orleans had 85 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: the very next pick, nin ninth pick. And Sean Payton and. 86 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: I went to the same high school so in Aprisville, Illinois, 87 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: so we had that connection. And he hit me up. 88 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: He's like, hey, uh, coach Peyton, We're gonna take you 89 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: the nineinth pick because anyone talked to you yet today. 90 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: And then I was like, actually, actually the Texans just called. 91 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: They said they said they're gonna take me, and he's like, well, 92 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: if something happens and something falls through, we're right there 93 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: behind you, behind to take you. And you know, obviously 94 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: a Texas took me and they ended up trading that 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: pick you know what in New Orleans. 96 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Then yeah, well so they said if we don't get od, 97 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: we don't know. 98 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: They didn't have any of it on their board with 99 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: that value at that at that time. So uh so 100 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: I was going to the Deep South regardless. 101 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you know what's cool about that story. In 102 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: my twelve years playing, I never heard a story like that. 103 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: In my twelve plus years just commentating doing radio, I've 104 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: never talked to a guy and I can't believe I 105 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: haven't heard the story from you when we were teammates. 106 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: I never talked to a guy that actually had two 107 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: teams on the phone at the same time. It was. 108 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: I didn't I don't think I really realized I was 109 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: like a like a unique thing. But like, I don't 110 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: know if I attributed to being the first part of 111 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: that day, and I was. It was so much going 112 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: on and I was just like so caught up in 113 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: the moment of a team talking to me, and I 114 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: got people like in my background, like who is I 115 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: was like, you know, I was like walking pace around 116 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: my house, you know, talking, and now that was I 117 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: mean that. 118 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: That's I guess this is kind of a unique story. 119 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: You know, have someone else, you know. 120 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: It was back my flip phone flipped up, you know, 121 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: the Samsung flip phone, I think, or maybe LG. 122 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but I was like, 123 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 3: what the heck is this? I can't click over? 124 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: You know. 125 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: So unfortunately they called back and I could then tell 126 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: the story. 127 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: So that is very very cool. All right, So you 128 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: grow up play high school ball Illinois. Then obviously you 129 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: go to Wisconsin, have a great career there. What was 130 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: it somewhat of a culture shot coming to Houston or 131 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: was it? And I've never been to either town that 132 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: you played high school or college ball? 133 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Midwest. You know, it was definitely different 134 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: coming down here. I think, uh, I think the passion 135 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: for the game was I wasn't a stranger to that 136 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: because it's you know, suburb of Chicago, that's you know, 137 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: football is football is a big time out there. Especially 138 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: we were a six A school, you know, so you 139 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: know we're my think my junior year. Actually up there, 140 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: we ended up being like we had an undefeated season Illinois, 141 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: and then we had some we had some big time player. 142 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: We had a running back like like fifty something touchdowns 143 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: a year. Uh so we were like USAD today, like 144 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: fifth ranked team in the country. 145 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Oh that's huge. 146 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: Back in nineteen ninety nine, that's huge. 147 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: So I would you know we were we having you know, 148 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: not like Texas obviously with that with their high school sports, 149 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: but it was important and obviously Wisconsin is the tradition there. 150 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: And then we know, I know how much Houston loves 151 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: football in general, you know, just from from I know 152 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: Texas in general from high school all the way up 153 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: to the pros. But you know, the city of Houston 154 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: loving their team was nice situation to come into. 155 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Especially with the Oilers being gone and you know it's 156 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: still being a relatively new team. Yeah, because I was here. 157 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: I was in college when the Oilers left, and I 158 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: was in college here in Houston, and that was just 159 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: devastating for the city. 160 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: You know, I just can't even wrap my mind around 161 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: that happening to Houston now. You know, it's like if 162 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 2: a team, like I don't know, any sports team leaving 163 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: a city like I don't know if it's happened, if 164 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: I've just not realized has happened. But in like in 165 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: the last shoot ten twenty years of a team leaving somewhere, 166 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: unless it's like Seattle to ok See losing the basketball team, 167 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: but man, like I can't imagine losing a franchise like 168 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: that and like having just all the fan fare on people. 169 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: Look at any team in NFL right now, I guess, 170 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: I guess, I guess you're going to Vegas. Yeah, so 171 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: there's that, but I mean that would be just like 172 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: but they moved, they had already moved a couple of times, right, 173 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: not to say that you know that fan base, but 174 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 2: like the city that like really like identifies with that team. 175 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: It's man, I can't imagine. 176 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because we're here in Houston, 177 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: because as you said that, I started thinking and again, 178 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's because we're not in it, were not immersed 179 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: in Oakland. But when Oakland moved to Las Vegas, man, yeah, okay, 180 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: that seems about right. And Saint Louis moved to LA 181 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: and I guess because previously they were the La Rams, 182 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like a huge hit. But when Houston, Yeah, 183 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: when they because it's not even I know it's the 184 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: quote unquote Tennessee Titans, but it just felt like they 185 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: just got rid of football, not even that they moved, 186 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, because they didn't keep the same logo, 187 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: the same you know, they went from the text excuse me, 188 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: from the Oilers to the Titans. So you didn't feel like, oh, 189 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: our team is moving to Tennessee. It just felt like 190 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: they got rid of it. 191 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like, I mean I could, I can't 192 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: speak to it, but I don't know. 193 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: The situation was obviously there's a lot of bad blood there, 194 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: but like like it was just stolen away from it. 195 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, you know, just stolen away from the city. 196 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: And that's just like that's probably hard to grieve that 197 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: and then come back and have a new team like 198 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: this is and then to hop on board that. 199 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: We're probably a little bit. 200 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: Slow to get back on board with that, and you 201 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: have some try I'm from having a team stolen away 202 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: from you in the past, so you know, it's uh, 203 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: I get that, but I think everyone is fully on board. 204 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: And you talk about the bad blood and I have 205 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: not followed it, but I would think if I was 206 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: a billionaire, I wouldn't be this petty. And what I'm 207 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: talking about is my Rice Owls and University of Houston. 208 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: They wanted to pay homage to the Houston Oilers and 209 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: wear the light blue right, And I just read this, 210 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: so I hope I'm not spreading false news out there. 211 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: But apparently somebody from Tennessee contacted the NFL and said 212 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: they can't do that. I'm like, like. 213 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: This is really you did not like what they said 214 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: they can't use that color blue or like, okay, we'll 215 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: make it, We'll make it a slightly different color. Then 216 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: if you're going to be like that, but you can't 217 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: this college team, I think I've read the same things 218 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: you have, or just at least heard it whatever, and 219 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: it's just like, and you have aged is I think 220 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: kind of in the front. It's at least from my 221 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: perspective of what I'm the little red. It's like they're 222 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: like saying, we don't care what you're saying. We're going 223 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: to use this color for all of our sports. 224 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And maybe this is one of the reasons 225 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: I'll never be a billionaire. I guess I'm not that detailed, 226 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: but if I was a billionaire worried about other things, 227 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: and I'm watching the television and I see a college 228 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: football team wearing a color similar to not even a 229 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: color that they use currently, but it's a college team. 230 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I don't. I would probably be like, oh, 231 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Yeah, but I wouldn't be like, oh, 232 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call Roger Goodell and tell tell them that 233 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: they have to see sir. Yeah. That that really annoyed 234 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: me because that color is Houston. That's a Houston it is, 235 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: for sure. All right, let's get off colors. And uh, well, 236 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: you know what I do want to ask you because 237 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: I see you're you're rocking the new H logo T shirt, 238 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: which looks very good on you. By the way, are 239 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: you were you a big guy on when it came 240 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: to your uniform, Like did you care what it looked like? 241 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: Were you pretty picky about I did? 242 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: And I think I got you know, So, when I 243 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 2: first got on a team, my mentality honestly was like 244 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: it shifted. I think Stith Killy as I got here. 245 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: But it was like, Okay, I'm a fourth round pick. 246 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: I got all these older guys ahead of me because 247 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: I had. I had great leaders in my room, my 248 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: Mark Brunner and who was just the man. Mark brun 249 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: was a man. And I had Jeff Puttze here and 250 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: I had Ben Steele in my room. And so I 251 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: had these guys that you might know not knowse those 252 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: other two guys, but they were awesome to like a 253 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: young guy coming in and I was like, Okay, let 254 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: me just have the mindset to like do what I 255 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: can and make the team, like let's play, make play 256 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: some special teams and all the stuff in training camp 257 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: that you you hear about like a mid round guy 258 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: having to do. And so I was like, whatever jersey 259 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: I got at that time, and however, it was spitting me. 260 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: I look back at the jerseys that I have in 261 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: my closet that were like my rookie year, second year jersey, 262 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, how was I wearing this thing? 263 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: Like it is so big? 264 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: And I compare it to my last year on the Texas, 265 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: my last couple year the league, The way that those 266 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: jerseys were cut, how they're fitting this like holy cow. 267 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, I always wanted to look clean out there, 268 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: you know, And even more so I got like, okay, 269 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: like I don't want the coach thinking that I'm worried 270 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: about how I looks so much as far as like 271 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: just going out there and do what I'm supposed to do. 272 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: But I think I will, you know, was a let myself, 273 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: let my style show as far as how I like 274 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: to look out there and my shoes, laces, whatever, whatever 275 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: the little way as I could show my personality. And 276 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: but yeah, it became more important. 277 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah so so, And a lot of that comes with 278 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: confidence and knowing, Okay, I've arrived, you know, because you're 279 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: a humble guy. So I know this is gonna be 280 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: tough for you to answer, but I want you to 281 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: be transparent. It was, I know when it was apparent 282 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: to me. It was early on. When when did you 283 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: feel like, you know what, not only am I going 284 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: to make the team, I could actually be very very 285 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: good in this league and be a pro bowler. Like 286 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: when did it really hit you? 287 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: Well, I don't. 288 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: I think what allowed me to like kind of have 289 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: some confidence to think that way? It was like, all right, 290 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: I want I need to notice. Have the coaches noticed that? 291 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: Like I don't that I'm gonna work my tail off, 292 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: like like yeah, I might not be the strongest guy 293 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: or the fastest guy. But I'm gonna find ways to 294 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: get open. I'm gonna find ways to block you do 295 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 2: my job and be consistent, like you're never gonna have 296 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: to worry about me working harder, Like you can count 297 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: on me being consistent, Like I might not have a 298 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: sixty yard catch of a game, but I'm gonna make 299 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: those third and five to sevens right that you need 300 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: to convert to go score. So there was a couple 301 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: of times. Honestly, I had Mike Sherman. Okay, he was 302 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: the O line coach my rookie year, all right, and 303 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: like I think he was OC my second year as 304 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: Troy Calvoun's O see my rookie year. 305 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 3: And I don't know what it was. 306 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: I was. 307 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: I must have been doing some things in practice that 308 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: were kind of showing up in film, and I as 309 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: a rookie down here in this heat, you know, like 310 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: I was just trying to survive and do everything I could, 311 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: like hey, good player, bad play, I'm moving on. So 312 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't like, oh, man, I made three great plays 313 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: there in practice are like, you know, whatever it was, 314 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: I was just like just grinding. I was just grinding, 315 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: trying to freaking survive. And one day in stretch and practice, 316 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: Mike Sherman came up to me. He's like, hey, you 317 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: need to practice like you're the starter, and like like 318 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: you got to believe that, And I was like, he 319 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't say this to me if it wasn't like maybe 320 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: a thing. So there's a couple of situations where I 321 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: remember in practice, like maybe showing something that those other 322 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: guys didn't have as far as separation and routes and 323 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: things like that. One on one is against some linebackers 324 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: a couple of times, and then some some plays in practice. 325 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: But like once I got the nod to start the 326 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: third preseason game, which I was so surprised and they 327 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: came to me. I was like, I've been working hard 328 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: and like, I guess I've been doing and they gave 329 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: me that chance. Who gave me that chance? And I 330 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: just remember that game, like I had a false start 331 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: that game and I was like, it will never happen again. 332 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: I swear, coach, It'll never happen again. 333 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: I love it, oh man. But I also remember that game. 334 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: I don't remember if I had any catches in that game. 335 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: I remember the false start, and I remember one of 336 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: the whoever the running back was in that game at 337 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: the time, fumbled the ball and I hustled and went 338 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: and recovered it all right, So like I think it 339 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: was something that was like, Okay, maybe I might have 340 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: had no catches at that time, but like maybe being 341 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: able to bounce back off of like okay, you can 342 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: get do you want to get down on like a 343 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: false start, you still be out there hustling and whatever. 344 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: So I remember those two things from that game. I 345 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: don't remember anything that's crazy. 346 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny you mentioned something that reminded me 347 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: of some of the feelings I had, because look, we're 348 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: og podcasts, so we're gonna sound like old fuddy duddies 349 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: right now. But I've been out to a recent training 350 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: camp and it's not what it used to be like 351 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: when we were playing. So when you mentioned there are 352 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: times during training camp where you were just trying to 353 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: make it like I always prided myself in just like 354 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: you said, not the fastest, not the strongest, but you're 355 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: not gonna outwork me. But there were some days in 356 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: training camp where I was like, I don't even care 357 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: if I'm going hard. I'm just trying to finish it 358 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: without dying, like yeah, And I just remember that feeling 359 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: and just thinking like as much as I want my 360 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: get off to be great, I just want to get off. 361 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: I just want my get off in because there are 362 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: days where I just you know, the body. Sometimes we 363 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: can surprise ourselves, but there were days where I would 364 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: wake up and think, how in the world, Oh am 365 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: I going to make it through a two a day 366 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: and you just somehow make it. And I don't know 367 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: if the guys now playing experience that. 368 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: Man, how did I mean that's something? How did you 369 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: do it? Because you had a deal. What year was 370 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: that we. 371 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: Were for you? Your first year? Yeah, that was my tenth year. 372 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean to just think about where I 373 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: was in my tenth year and how my body was 374 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: feeling to go down and do a training camp that 375 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: I was doing my rookie year, to put myself in 376 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: your shoes. 377 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I don't even know. 378 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: Like being young, it's like okay, like you're young, body, 379 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: body is like you should be able to do this, 380 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: and coming off of college training camps and things like that, 381 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: even though it was a shaka, but it was literally 382 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: like man, even in OTA's it's like it's so hot 383 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: just standing out there, like we can't even stand out there, 384 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: like helm it off, like oh my gosh, like cold 385 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: cold towels anytime you come over and get a cold towel, 386 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: and just just trying to just. 387 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: Not give up. 388 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: But you know what, that's where I don't know how 389 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: you feel about Kobak, but I love the dude, like 390 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: I'll run through a wall for him. And I think 391 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: that's where having a guy who played in the NFL 392 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: really helps out the older guys, because there were certain 393 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: days and I wasn't a star player, like I was 394 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: a role player, and I enjoyed my role. But there 395 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: were days where Kobiak would just be like, you're down today, 396 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, was he reading my mind? Because 397 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have made it anyway. 398 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: So I think that you know what helped me when 399 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: you were young and I was old, there were some 400 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: days where he knew when to break us down. It's 401 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: funny you bring up when you talked about how hot 402 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: OTAs were, and this was I don't know why this 403 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 1: story is so funny to me, but it is. I 404 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: hope the listeners can appreciate it. But do you remember 405 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: Mike Brizil. Yeah, Mike Brizil was one of them. For 406 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: the people listening, one of the best people you'll ever meet, 407 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have a bad bone in his body. So we 408 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: were going the team was going out to run sprints 409 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: for OTAs, and for whatever reason, the offensive linemen were 410 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: out there before the defensive lineman and they were all 411 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: waiting under a shaded tent. Then all the defensive linemen 412 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: were coming out and we're joking, and I have to 413 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: paint the picture. At this time, all the defensive linemen 414 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: were black and we're walking now out and one of 415 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: us said something like, look at you, punk Ota, I mean, 416 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: excuse me, punk offensive lineman under the shade. Then Mike 417 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Brizell said something to the effect well, we're not like 418 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: you people who could run around all day in the sun. 419 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: And everybody said, whoa, what do you mean you people? 420 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: And when he thought about it, like his face turned 421 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: real white. It was I'm talking about the defensive line. 422 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the defensive line. And everyone who knows 423 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: Mike knew that's exactly what he meant, but it just 424 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: sounded a certain way like we we used to give 425 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: him crap all year, biscuit. Yeah, and it's because he's 426 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: such a great guy. But when I think of the 427 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: hot sun and ota always thinking that's so good, and 428 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: then I remember line right that is and he and 429 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: for those listening, like he literally meant defensive. We could 430 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: have all been white and he would have said the 431 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: exact same thing as he was talking about the defensive lineman. 432 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: But uh no, that I was joking, laugh about that story. 433 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: Cool man. I love like you're saying, Coop. I love 434 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: Coop like Coop Coop. He knew how to take care. 435 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: Of took care of those older guys. And I. 436 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: Experienced that when I was here in Houston and and 437 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 2: and like he helped me out with that in Baltimore 438 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: when he was there, and then obviously in Denver. So 439 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: he was really the only reason I was able to 440 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: play a couple more years outside of Houston. I think 441 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: he's vouched for me in my knee because I was 442 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: going to pass any physicals anywhere else. And I don't 443 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: even think I realized that at the time. I was 444 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: just like, he was like, can he play? Like, yeah, 445 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: I can play, And and he trusted me, and so 446 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: he was always a guy that from day one. Seemed 447 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: like he trusted me and I'll always have his back 448 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: no matter what. 449 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: He's the man I love absolutely the same feeling. You 450 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: won a super Bowl. Not too many people are walking 451 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: this earth. Uh, you know winning the super Bowl? What 452 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: was that season like? Like what part of the season 453 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: did you know y'all were a special team? Like, just 454 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: kind of talk through that. 455 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: I just think that the whole group knew from the 456 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: beginning that we had something that we had. Like obviously offensively, 457 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: that Denver team wasn't as explosive as they were like 458 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: a couple of years before that, I think twenty thirteen, 459 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: they had set all these crazy records. Right, we just 460 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: didn't have We didn't have that explosiveness, but we knew 461 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: that we could be clutch and because we had Peyton, right, 462 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: we had Peyton and shouts to Payton because he learned 463 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 2: coach Kobi X offense in his last year, So it 464 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: was like there was I think he was from my 465 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: experience with the Kobi X offense, Peyton had a lot more 466 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: freedom to do whatever he wanted to do. But I 467 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: think as far as from Peyton's perspective, it was a 468 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: lot lot less than he was used to being able 469 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: to do as far as adjusting protections. And there's a 470 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: couple of times in games where I'd have a route and. 471 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: This had never happened before any other quarterback. 472 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: I had a route and then all of a sudden, 473 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: Peyton changed the play and protection, like now I got 474 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: to stay in like, wait. 475 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: What's going on here? 476 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, just just so he could get a certain throw 477 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: or whatever he wanted. But everything was kind of built 478 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 2: into Coop's offense, right, like all the all the the 479 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: hots and everything were kind of built into the foundation 480 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: of what we did. 481 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: So it was. 482 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: Just super unselfish of Peyton to go that route, to 483 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: do that, and because I think we knew the defensive 484 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: guys that we had there and just Vaughn and DeMarcus 485 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: just unbelievable players. We had really good linebackers with brand 486 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: Marshall and Dan Travaith and those guys are really really good. 487 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 2: And then the back end was just the no fly zone. 488 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: So like Key, even Chris Harris and uh TJ. Ward 489 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: and Darie Stewart just we knew we had right and 490 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: we had we went through adversity of that year, like 491 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: Peyton got hurt. Brock Oswaier started. That's the name here 492 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: that people don't love. But like, let's listen. Listen, I 493 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: play with Brock and I love Brock like and people 494 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: might people say whatever they want. Like Brock played seven games, 495 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: start seven games, and he went five and two and 496 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: a lot of times with quarterbacks, it's the coaching that 497 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: you have around it. And he had a fantastic coach 498 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: and Greg Nap, all right, Greg Nap, but like he 499 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: he and Nap was the same guy that was here 500 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: with TJ. Yeats helping him get playoff wins right and 501 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: with Shawby and so like, he had really good coaching 502 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 2: and the offense was great for him, and so he 503 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: thrived in that and that type of environment. And our 504 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: defense was there for us throughout the year, and man, 505 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: they showed up in the playoffs. 506 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: We scored we scored twenty points one game. We scored. 507 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: Maybe good twenty points again like we were. We were 508 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: winning games, you know, scoring less than three touchdowns a 509 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: game in the playoffs. And I think from the jump 510 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: with the coach, coach Phillips and Wade Phillips he was 511 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: he was in charge of the defense was DC at 512 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: the time, and we just had we just had guys 513 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: that could get it done and shut down that high power. 514 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: It was Carolina was fifteen to one regular season and 515 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: absolutely dominated those guys. So I was like they were 516 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: scoring like thirty five a game and that cam Newton 517 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: squad and that was a great team actually played. But uh, 518 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: I don't remember a lot of the actual Super Bowl. 519 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: Honestly, it's like a blur to me. 520 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: I got hit pretty hard the first play of the 521 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: game too, something I had something to do with that. 522 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: I like, I tell I mean, I might might love 523 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: halfway joking, halfway serious. I think I got ko with 524 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: that first play of the game. But it was it 525 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: was I had a nice little through route and eighteen 526 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: yard perception to start the game, and but I got 527 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: hit hard from the state. 528 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: He was like side of my head, and. 529 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: So I don't I don't remember a lot of the 530 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: rest of it, but because I woul usually get upm 531 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: and celebrate and I was just kind of walking off 532 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: to the sidelight. 533 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: But man, that season was just like a grind. 534 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: I remember being such a grind, just as far as 535 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: getting to the end of it, because it was like 536 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: we knew we had right and we we've somehow found 537 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: a way to get into that one number one seed. 538 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: Had to play New England twice that year. We got 539 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: him at home both times. We had him at home, 540 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: both times we had him in the regular season at home, 541 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: won in ot and then. 542 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: Had him the AFC Championship. 543 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: And that's like any any game that looked to my careers, 544 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: like I had a chance a couple of times to 545 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: have some man coverage and win some cruise situations where 546 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 2: they're shutting everyone else down, and he found me for 547 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns that game. But man, the mental 548 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: grind of that season was was unreal. So like they 549 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: released there for that year. You know, my Knicke was 550 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 2: in no condition to keep playing. 551 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 552 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: I was getting drained every Monday. But the mental ground like, 553 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Like I played all nineteen games that 554 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: year the first time, all sixteen regular seam games and 555 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: then the three playoff games. I hadn't played that in 556 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: a full season since like two thousand and eight. So 557 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes they sit us that last game we 558 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: had the Seeds locked up or whatever, But what a 559 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: way to go out though. 560 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and some of the guys you mentioned 561 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: along with yourself what was that locker room like, Oh 562 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: my god. 563 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: So yeah, if you remember coach Coach kub like, you know, 564 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: that was so my rookie year. 565 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: And six. 566 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: That was his first year as the head coach, right, 567 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: So the way he handled things from that spot was 568 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: obviously going to be different than the way he handled 569 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: things twenty fifteen as he evolved as a coach and 570 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: kind of learned things along the way, And I think 571 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: he was a little bit more are kind of controlling 572 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: of guy's personalities, Like we wanted to be like low 573 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: key early on, but he just let the guys be 574 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: who they were. 575 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: And in Denver, that's actually pretty cool for you to see, 576 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: like it was to see someone a first year coach 577 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: and then to see him nine years later. 578 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was that was our tenth season together. 579 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow. And to see how he's evolved as a 580 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: as a coach. Yeah, I guess you almost have to 581 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: let guys be who they are in today's age. 582 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: I think that was that kind of allowed those guys 583 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: to kind of just be free and play like he 584 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: he came in too, and I think he did take 585 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: some stuff from Coach Harball, And I love playing for 586 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: Coach Harball in Baltimore, and that's a guy that this 587 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: He's like, we want you to be you and like 588 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: show your personality. Like, well, you show your personality. You 589 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: still do these things right to represent being a raven 590 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: or whatever it was, and. 591 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: But be who you are. Be you, that's what That's 592 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: why we have you in this room because we like you. 593 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: And so Coop kind of took that and use it 594 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: in Denver because we had personalities all over the place. 595 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so which was it was great to 596 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: be around. 597 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: It was awesome to see him kind of let guys 598 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: be do that, you know, and because I think it 599 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: was going to work against him, I fields you're going 600 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: to try to, you know, hold some other guys back. 601 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: So really cool to see hardball. 602 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: It's funny. That's the cool thing about football is like 603 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: six degrees of separation. So when I was in Philly, 604 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: he was a special teams coach and I knew that 605 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: he was destined for something great because one one meeting 606 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: I'll never forget, he was sitting in the defensive meeting room. 607 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: He was actually just sitting by me, just happened to 608 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: be there. And at that time, you know, I'm starting 609 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm the man. So I look, I'm like, 610 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: what are you doing in here? You know? I asked, 611 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? And he just looked at 612 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: me as all clue, I'm not going to be a 613 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: special team coach forever. And it was like a light 614 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: ball and I felt dumb. I was like, huh, you 615 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: mean people coaches actually have aspirations to do other than that. 616 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. So I really started watching 617 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: him close and he always real sharp, but he's always 618 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: reading and a lot of his books didn't have anything 619 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: to do with football, like psychology and the way you 620 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: think things through. And that's when I was knew like, Okay, 621 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna be something special. So when he won Super 622 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Bowls and the success that he's having in Baltimore, I'm 623 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: just not surprised, like he's been preparing for it for 624 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah. 625 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: I mean my experience I was one year, it was 626 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: it was. It was a unique experience going to Baltimore 627 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: to play for them because we has had so many 628 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: battles over the years. You know, they had had the 629 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: upper hand on most of them, but we had a 630 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: lot of close games we had with playoff games, to 631 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: put against each other, and so it was like a 632 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: lot of respect back and forth between the guys in 633 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: the locker room. Already knew that I had to like 634 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: face every single week and then my locker's done two 635 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: dours down from you know, from Suggs and uh so 636 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: it was like he'll grind though he grinded away. So 637 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 2: like we did these things called first of all, if 638 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: we have three hour practice, you're allowed to max out 639 00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: three hours. 640 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: We're we were three outs, and it wasn't a warm up. 641 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: It was you gotta be warmed up, and that clock 642 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: is starting and we're going to practice, right. 643 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: Uh. 644 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: I mean this thing things called double downs, which you 645 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: know training camps, like all right, we're on one field, 646 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: like we could be doing seven on seven and then 647 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: old lineman d Limon doing other stuff or inside run 648 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: or whatever it was. 649 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: But it was one field. 650 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: So he had us split up, so it was like 651 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: the ones and twosing and everyone else on the other field. 652 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: So you were getting double the reps at the same 653 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: exact time. So I remember that, I remember that. I 654 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: remember that that was a grind. But I really loved 655 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: playing for them periods. 656 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: That's the thing. There was no rest. That was tough. 657 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 2: Uh, So we hated seeing that on the script. But 658 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: but man, other than that, it was a fantastic playing 659 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: out there for him. 660 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: You brought up brock osbothered the success you had playing 661 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: with him when he fell on tough times here in Houston. 662 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: Were you surprised, as were you like, that's not the 663 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: guy I played with, or was it because he didn't 664 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: have the same supporting cast around him. 665 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: I was just generally surprised just because just how well 666 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: he was able to step in and some you know, 667 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: right in the middle of a season where it was like, 668 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 2: if Brock didn't perform, we wouldn't had a number one 669 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: seed and it would have been a tough, tough for 670 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: much tougher road right have New England at home is 671 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: a little bit different than going to Foxboro to play. 672 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: So I was I was surprised. 673 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: And so and I think a lot of that I 674 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: don't want to I don't know who the guys specifically 675 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: who were here, as far as who else he was 676 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: or who was the position coaches were. I ask who 677 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: the head coach was, and it's just like, I don't know. 678 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: It was seemed like a rocky situation and Brock. 679 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: Is like the nicest guy and he works really hard. 680 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: And my picture of him is like like, hey, he's 681 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: gonna do what he's coached to do, and that's all 682 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: right there, That's that's all I mean. Yeah, I mean 683 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: he wants to succeed. He wasn't like he's not a 684 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: guy like Okay, I'm gonna get this this bag and 685 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: then not care anymore. 686 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: You know. 687 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: I think he wanted to keep going with his career. 688 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: He wanted to and it was just I mean, it 689 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: was good timing for him. I guess, having that one 690 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: year of experience to play and then Jody can do 691 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: and then unfortunately didn't work out really. 692 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: But fortunately for his bank account, he worked out for that. 693 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we wish he had didn't. I have to 694 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: field so much hatred, you know. 695 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: And I hope he doesn't care. I've only I've never 696 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: met him, but I've only heard great things about the 697 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: type of person he is. I will say this because 698 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: I had a chance to do some color commentary. So 699 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: when I watched games college games, I'm always I used to, 700 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: so I listened of what they're saying and I didn't 701 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: know he was calling the game, but I remember watching it, 702 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, huh, whoever this color commentary got, 703 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: he's good good, and then the picture shows those I'm 704 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: sure Houston would appreciate you giving. 705 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: Knows hey, if you trust me, like come on like. 706 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: But no, he's doing Uh, I would not be surprised 707 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: if he's calling some national NFL games. And all right. 708 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring a full circle and come back 709 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: to what's going on now. We've talked about players who 710 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: turn into coaches and how that helps. That's you. You're 711 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: you're coaching right now, and you're coaching youth guys who 712 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: are truly trying to learn. Do you take anything from uh, 713 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: any of the coaches you've had, and do you find 714 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: yourself saying some of the things that they said to 715 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: you to your players? 716 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: Now? 717 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: Oh? Man? 718 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had so, I had one position 719 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: coach from my entire career in the NFL. Yeah, it 720 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: was Brian PERRANI coached me every year of my career, 721 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: and so he was very very detail orient as far 722 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: as playbook right, as far as like knowing your assignments, 723 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: and because his experience with the game plan that he 724 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: didn't play tight end so as far as like technique 725 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: and things like that. 726 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: It was. 727 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: Relying upon like okay, watching the older guys, with the 728 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: older guys saying and uh, you know, how how do 729 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: they how are they, you know, having success on a 730 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 2: player to play basis. 731 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 3: And because usually tight ends. 732 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: You're a little bit more under you're a little undersized 733 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: compared to these these edge players, like I don't even 734 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: want to call them linebackers or even the edge players. 735 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: And so. 736 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: What I take to my high school kids, I coach 737 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: is just fundamentals, you know, as far as like keeping 738 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 2: things as simple as possible, right, is that the less 739 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: you got to think about. And like, you know, coach, 740 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: you hear coach say, hey, you got to get your 741 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: hands inside. You got to get your hands inside when 742 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: you're blocking, right whoever it controls, right, It's like, okay, 743 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: that is correct, that is that is the right thing 744 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: to say, But like how do you do that right? 745 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: Like why is that guy keep lobster army? Why the 746 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: guy keep having his arms outside? And why is that? 747 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: Is? 748 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 2: Because you know, you can keep your elbows tight, you 749 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 2: can have inside hands, right, So it's not get your 750 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 2: hands inside, it's keep your eyes tight. 751 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 3: Right. 752 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: So it's the simplicity of that and then and I 753 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: I'm still kind of like learning myself as a coach 754 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 2: because I didn't ever see myself get into coaching ever. 755 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I wanted to do when I 756 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 3: was done playing. And the whole. 757 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: Transition thing with a lot of guys go through is very, 758 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 2: very difficult, and I struggled with it tremendously, and a 759 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: lot of things in my life are kind of happening 760 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: at all at the same time. And I was able 761 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 2: to have a situation where one of our old coaches 762 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: from here, Everett Coleman, who has been at the Concaide 763 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: School for shoot might be going on thirty years or 764 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 2: at least over there, which is it is incredible because 765 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: he looks like he's he's like my age, but he 766 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: was here as assistant strength conditioning and we spent four 767 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 2: years together here and he's kind of like a connection 768 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: to the coaching that I had over there because he 769 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 2: coaches over there as well as the head and strength 770 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 2: conditioning of that school. So shout out to coach e 771 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, he helped me get in over there. And 772 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 2: my brother was kind of another avenue because his boss 773 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 2: was very close with the head coach checking kid, and 774 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: so you know, I was looking for something and I 775 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: didn't know what it was. And I was like, Okay, 776 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: I can give this a shot because it's not like 777 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 2: a I'm not jumping into a full time thing that's 778 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: eight hours or ten hours a day. It's it's this 779 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 2: amount of time and I can, you know, have football 780 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 2: in my life in some capacity. I think you know, 781 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: anyone who stops playing a sport, that's like a loss. 782 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 2: You know, it's a loss when it happens, and it's 783 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: there's a grieving process and it's like you know, you've 784 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: done something for so many years of your life and 785 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden not do it. It's it's 786 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: very difficult, but finding a way to still like be 787 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: involved with the game. 788 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 3: Like I had to. 789 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: I had to within the game when I was playing, 790 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: I had to change. I was a quarterback, you know, 791 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 2: I was the quarterback for two years in college and 792 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, football is like, no, we 793 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 2: got you got to you gotta do something different. You 794 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 2: got to play a different position, and uh God or 795 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: the football guys like, yeah, you gotta do something in 796 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 2: this game. You want to keep playing, you gotta do 797 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 2: something different. So like, Okay, I love it. I want 798 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: to play. I love be on the field, and so 799 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm still on the field. Now it's coaching, you know. 800 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 2: I feel like I have, you know, to to live 801 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: a dream to play in the NFL and to have 802 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: all that experience along the way. 803 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:51,959 Speaker 3: It's like. 804 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 2: Now I almost feel responsible to I can't just like 805 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: be with me. I wanted to pass that alone to 806 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 2: like along the way. Like when you get to college, 807 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 2: you learn things like man if I only would have 808 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 2: known that in high school and get to the league, 809 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 2: and it's like, man if I only would have known 810 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: that in college, and so being able to you know, 811 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 2: pass some knowledge, John longlay that these kids, hopefully they're 812 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: listening a little bit football life, you know. So it's 813 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 2: great for me and it's great to have some structure 814 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: in my life and all those different little things. 815 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 3: But yeah, Coachman was great. I'm looking forward to my 816 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: six years. 817 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: So yeah, just getting back to the I'm always big fundamentals. 818 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 2: Guy's keeping it simple, you know. And then just what 819 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 2: I learned from Coop will work hard in practice because 820 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 2: football is a practice sport. 821 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: You know. 822 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 3: It's when you're young, you can kind of like be 823 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 3: a gamer. 824 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: I guess you could turn on it on Friday nights, 825 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: but like, uh, life in general, I guess I like 826 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: to like kind of apply it all to Like that's 827 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 2: kind of how it's always looked at sports. 828 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 3: Sports are hard, so you can like apply it to. 829 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: Your everyday things, right, every day every day activities, every 830 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: day interactions. 831 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 3: And you know, if you're. 832 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: Not a stranger to adversity, which is going to happen 833 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: all the time in sports, then you won't be so 834 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: shook by adversity maybe on a day to day basis, 835 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: you know type of things. 836 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 3: So exactly where I was going with that, but you. 837 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: Know, you've hit so many great points, like even with 838 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: the adversity, and U like in my day to day 839 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: life now there are times that I have to read 840 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: like a forty page contract because I need to know 841 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: where to sign right, and I'm like, I don't want 842 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: to do this, and I find myself saying, you know what, idiot, 843 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 1: if you can make it through three days when you're 844 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: with the Eagles, you can do this. It like you 845 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: kind of just tap into what you had to overcome 846 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: on the field. 847 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 3: And I mean. 848 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 2: There's so many things like that like are good to 849 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: apply at also something are not so good to apply 850 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 2: as far as like expectations and things like that, and 851 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: like like you know, the your performance or like sometimes 852 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 2: I wish I could go back and like watch the 853 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: film you just used to wash and getting feedback right 854 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: away on things. And sometimes I could be work against 855 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 2: you so but but I try to, you know, pass 856 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 2: along the stuff to the young kids that can be 857 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 2: helpful just you know, obviously on the field, but like 858 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 2: past that right outside the lines too. 859 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: I love what you said about the hands because I always, 860 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: even though I never played tight end, I always heard 861 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: coaches get your hands inside, get your hands inside. I 862 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: never heard anybody say, hey, get your elbows. 863 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: Tight, yeah, because we can hold when we get our 864 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 2: hands aside. Well, you know what I'm saying. I can't 865 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 2: block indeed without holding him like I'm gonna hold him. 866 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: I got to get my hands in there to do it. 867 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 2: It looks legal, and the only way to do that 868 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: is to have my elbows tight. So I like literally 869 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 2: put some sometimes I put like like mini bands around 870 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: the elbows to keep it like so they can so 871 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 2: they can't. Yeah, And it feels weird, but it's obviously 872 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: an exaggeration of a feeling, but. 873 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 3: Now just seeing if that that works out for them. 874 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: All right, last question, do you get a chance, because 875 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,959 Speaker 1: I don't like to assume former players are watching most 876 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: of the current games, do you get a chance to 877 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: watch the current team, the current Texans or whatever team 878 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: you follow. 879 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I watch it closer than I did 880 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: when you know, probably my first handful of years out 881 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: of the league. I don't know if it was just 882 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 2: still part of like a process, the greeting process of 883 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too close to this. It 884 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 2: might sound weird, but it's like it's a real thing. 885 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too close to the team 886 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 2: that I played for, Like I don't know, but now 887 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 2: I feel very you know, I love watching these guys 888 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 2: and they're an exciting group. 889 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 3: And obviously. 890 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: With where everything the organization has everything in place right 891 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: now with Demico being back, because that's that's my draft 892 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 2: class and we spent tons of you know, six seven 893 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: years here together and he's a fantastic guy for this organization, 894 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 2: and now it's like he's really really fun to watch. 895 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 2: I went to a few games this past year. I 896 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: think the most games I've been to. I went to 897 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 2: three games this past year. I don't know, it's a 898 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: lot for me. It's hard sometimes because we got coaches 899 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 2: meetings on working Kate on Sundays, so we got to 900 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: work around that. But yeah, I love I love what 901 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: I see now. It's like Houston's a place like guys 902 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 2: want to come here, right. I think the tight end 903 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 2: room is fantastic right now with what the guys they got, 904 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 2: like just what they were able to show last year 905 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: and then in the playoffs, and I know they got 906 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 2: addition to the meeting the meeting room through the draft, right. 907 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 3: They got a guy, another guy. So got to meet 908 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 3: Dalton over. 909 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 2: The weekend at JJ's softball thing for the first time. 910 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: So I just hope he keeps playing well and Brevin 911 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 2: obviously very explosive guy to hopefully. 912 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 3: He keeps on improving and shown he can do out there. 913 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. They still haven't found their own Daniels, 914 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 1: and they've been looking since you and I know you're 915 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, this guy. They're good, but they still 916 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: haven't found their their own Daniels. And as far as 917 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: the transition, you know this, you and I have had 918 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: some private conversations. But it's crazy. I don't think any 919 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: one NFL player was ready to retire when they retired, 920 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: no matter Michael Strahan. I think he had the storybook 921 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: ending winning the Super Bowl going straight into becoming a 922 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: national star, you know with his show. But I know 923 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: he struggled. You know, I even thought when I was done, 924 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: oh I did everything right. I set things up. It 925 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: took me about four years, like to really feel like 926 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: okay with not being a football player. It's and I 927 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: don't know if there's even anything the NFL could do 928 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: to help guys transition, because like you mentioned, it's not 929 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: just to your years in the NFL. I mean from 930 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: when you were if you started in Pee Wee, you're 931 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: always own Dan was the football player. And then when 932 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: it stops, it's like, like you said, you're almost grieving. 933 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 2: A long it is, and it's like there's certain times 934 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 2: where I'm like, Okay, I feel like I'm doing pretty well, 935 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 2: like I feel comfortable, and then then it's like a 936 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 2: little like lapse or relapse, like feeling like man, I 937 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 2: don't am I doing? 938 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 3: Like what is it? Like I think? 939 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: And now just seeing some guys this past weekend at 940 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 2: JJ's thing. It's it's just briefly saying something like that 941 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 2: and just being open if you're if you're an if 942 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 2: a guy, or if you're a form player listening to 943 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 2: this or whatever. Like even just mentioning, like being vulnerable 944 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 2: enough to say like, man, I was really struggling, or 945 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: even I was, or I you know, and then guys 946 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 2: are just that kind of opens up the door to 947 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 2: be like, okay, like man I am too, like and 948 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 2: then because I was, I was, I was in a 949 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 2: dark place and I know a lot of people get 950 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 2: there too, And it's so it was going to check 951 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 2: on our guys, and even guys seem like they're doing okay, 952 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 2: it's like you still gotta that those are the guys, 953 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 2: even especially you gotta really check on so. 954 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 3: Uh but even to talk about it a little bit, 955 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 3: is this therapy itself? Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 956 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: Like for me, I was drinking a lot because I 957 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to tell anybody. I didn't know if I 958 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: was the only one who felt that way. So me 959 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: and another one of our teammates, I won't put him 960 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: on blasts, we would just meet up at the bar 961 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: and just drink and then after a while, you know, 962 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: after about three years of that, it was like, Okay, 963 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: this can't be the right way, so I tried something differently. So, 964 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody goes through it. But like 965 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: you said, just having those conversations, like one guy who 966 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: looked like and we all looked like many guys look 967 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: like they have everything figured out. But another one of 968 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: my teammates who I just thought I had everything figured out. 969 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: We were just talking, just shooting the breeze. It was 970 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: real casual, and I brought it up like, man, it 971 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: was hard like the first three years, and he was 972 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: all three, it's taken me ten years to get like, 973 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: and you really opened up and I was like you, like, 974 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: I thought you had everything figured out. He's oh man. 975 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: There are days that he would wake up and he 976 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: said he thought he was still playing, so he was 977 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: thinking that he had to rush and go to practice. 978 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,959 Speaker 1: Then when he realized he wasn't still playing, he would 979 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: just be like depressed. Yeah, like and I was like, yeah, 980 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough to transition out of that. So 981 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: it is like Owen said, if you're listening, you are 982 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: not the only one. And I wonder if do you 983 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: think guys who stopped in high school and college go 984 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: through that. 985 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,720 Speaker 2: I think so, I think I think everyone who has 986 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 2: you know, if you get invested into sports and you 987 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 2: love a sport and you just like identify with it, 988 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 2: like in the little little spit, and it's like when 989 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,439 Speaker 2: you have something that you want to do that's taken away. 990 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, people can go play a 991 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 2: rex rex you know stuff, but like honestly, like if 992 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 2: you're I don't know. For me, it's like I'm playing 993 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 2: the NFL to the wheels fall off and it's like, nah, 994 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 2: I can't go right. 995 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 1: So. 996 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 2: I cannot go as much as it looks like I could, 997 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 2: Like I can't go do what I want to do. 998 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,879 Speaker 2: So but man, yeah, I think I think even even 999 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: high school kids, you know, college college kids obviously it's 1000 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 2: like you invest a lot of your time and you 1001 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 2: want to say the sacrifice, but you're investing a lot 1002 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 2: into yourself. And it's also like, okay, that's you can't 1003 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 2: compete anymore. 1004 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 3: Is that? 1005 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:26,359 Speaker 2: So it's you know, I want to say, like, oh, 1006 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 2: you just played in high school. It's not that big 1007 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 2: a deal. No, it is for anybody, boys or girls 1008 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 2: playing any sports. So yeah, so if you feel like that, 1009 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,359 Speaker 2: it's it's. 1010 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 3: Okay, it's good. 1011 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 2: It's a good thing, right because that shows, like man, 1012 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 2: that was really something that was special and meant something 1013 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 2: to you. So not a lot of people to say 1014 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 2: that about the things in general. 1015 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. I was lucky enough to 1016 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: be your teammate for three years, and the kids that 1017 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: you're coaching at Kincaid are lucky to have a coach 1018 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,959 Speaker 1: like you, and I hope the parents, the coaching staff 1019 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: and the players realize what they have with mister Owen 1020 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: Daniels coaching them. I appreciate you jumping on the podcast 1021 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: with me, the O G Podcast as always. You know, 1022 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm always rooting for you and we'll be seeing each 1023 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: other and I just appreciate everything you've done to help 1024 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: me out. 1025 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 2: Thanks Andy, I appreciate you having me and everything. Like 1026 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 2: I said before, like you did, you know, it was 1027 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 2: a great to have a leader like you looking across 1028 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 2: whom you know, scary across the ball from me, but 1029 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 2: I do. I do appreciate you overcoming my fear of 1030 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 2: locking guys like you. Appreciate that. 1031 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: My God, for those listening, I paid him to say 1032 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: that that's gonna do it for us today. Don't touch 1033 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: that down. This has been the o G Podcast