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Speaker 1: let's get our whistles, get the pig skin, start playing

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Speaker 1: I've said my piece on this. I have said over

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427
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Speaker 1: and let me not just pump the brakes because they

428
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Speaker 1: believe that. And I do believe that's what's happening right

429
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Speaker 1: now in Denver, that Russell Wilson gets the keys of

430
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Speaker 1: the castle now. A lot of times, whether you're a quarterback,

431
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Speaker 1: or whether you're an employee, or whether you're you know,

432
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: someone in any line of work, when you go to

433
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Speaker 1: another place and they pay you a lot of money,

434
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: they want you to come, they steal you away from

435
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: that organization, you get a lot more juice than you

436
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: had at the previous organization. Right when Coward went to

437
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: Fox Sports one, he had a lot of juice because

438
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: he had earned it, the equity and his stuff, the

439
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: ability to create the volume. He's done a ton of

440
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Speaker 1: stuff that ESPN never would allow him to do. Why

441
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: because he had a lot of bargaining power When he

442
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: want when he went to Fox Sports One. It's been

443
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Speaker 1: well worth it. It has obviously worked out for all parties,

444
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: and it's no different in any you know, you steal

445
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: a CEO, they's get a lot more juice. Happened when

446
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning went to the Broncos, it happened when Tom

447
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: Brady went to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It happens in business,

448
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: it happens in sports, So I'm not saying that this

449
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: is that weird. And ultimately, even if you look at

450
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Speaker 1: younger players, Andy Reid does not always tell Patrick Mahomes

451
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Speaker 1: what to do. Seven now, when he calls a play,

452
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is going to run that play, but clearly

453
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Speaker 1: Patrick goes to him with ideas no different than Brady

454
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Speaker 1: did in New England. They you are ultimately, as a

455
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Speaker 1: play caller or as a head coach, you are in

456
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Speaker 1: business with your players, especially your star quarterback. You need them,

457
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: so you're constantly working together. But there is always a hierarchy.

458
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Speaker 1: That is just the way it works. And I think

459
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson views himself as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady,

460
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Speaker 1: and what those guys had that no one could ever

461
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: dispute is they can just take over a game from

462
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Speaker 1: the pocket. And one theory I had why Russell Wilson

463
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Speaker 1: A lot of people push back when I called him chubby,

464
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Speaker 1: even though earlier this season, or I mean in the

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Speaker 1: Opstne you look a little chubby. You know, listen as

466
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Speaker 1: a guy that can beat chubby. When you're chubby, you

467
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Speaker 1: can make comments about other people's chubbiness. When you're a

468
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Speaker 1: skinny guy, no one wants to hear you make fun

469
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Speaker 1: of us chubby people, just like I can make fun

470
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Speaker 1: of other bald people. Well, if you've got a great

471
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Speaker 1: head of hair, I don't want to hear from you.

472
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Speaker 1: But bald people are allowed to make fun of other

473
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Speaker 1: bald people the way it works. And so Russell Wilson

474
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Speaker 1: is there a chance because a lot of people that

475
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Speaker 1: thought like I was being a little harsh, or even

476
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Speaker 1: Bronco fans that just thought he put on a lot

477
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Speaker 1: of muscle, and then it kind of hit me. He

478
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: just views himself as a pocket cord, like the running.

479
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: The running is over, Russell Wilson wants to drop back

480
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Speaker 1: forty times a game and sling it. Now. I've watched

481
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's career very very closely. You know Ben dow

482
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Speaker 1: a ton of his games against the forty Niners, seen

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Speaker 1: him play live four or five times. Uh. You know,

484
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Speaker 1: just because I live on the West Coast, we get

485
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Speaker 1: a lot of random like Seattle games with the Niners

486
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Speaker 1: aren't TV. Aren't on TV like ten am if they're

487
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Speaker 1: on the East coast. I've seen of Russell Wilson's games

488
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Speaker 1: in Seattle, especially on all of a good teams, and

489
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Speaker 1: he is a fantastic player. I think he's a first

490
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Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer, but I don't think he has

491
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Speaker 1: just built and part of it is just his size

492
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Speaker 1: to just throw it forty five times a game, seventeen

493
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Speaker 1: times a year now, I believe that's what he believes

494
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: and clearly what their coach. You know, no one was

495
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: gonna hire Nate Hackett to be their head coach. And

496
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Speaker 1: I've said over and over rooting for the guy U C. Davis,

497
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Speaker 1: uh bald guy as well. But I got this situation

498
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Speaker 1: red flat. Do you know what this reminds me of?

499
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: Remember last year when Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving talked

500
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: about Steve Nash, who they now hate. They said, we

501
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: don't view him as a coach. We view it as

502
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: like a collaboration with us all. We're all in this together.

503
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Speaker 1: It might have just been Kyrie that said that, that's

504
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Speaker 1: what this kind of feels like. And part of football

505
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Speaker 1: is collaborating, especially with your quarterback. Tom Brady and Bill

506
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: Belichick met multiple times a week for two decades, So

507
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Speaker 1: I'm not against like having a collaborative ideas and telling

508
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Speaker 1: what you see you should do that. But is Russell

509
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Wilson the guy running this show? Is he the guy

510
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: telling you what to do? Because that situation is a

511
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: little scary because one thing that clearly bothered him in

512
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Speaker 1: Seattle is they just didn't let him cook. They didn't

513
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: let him cook. They didn't let him cook, and at

514
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Speaker 1: the end of games he'd have to pull stuff out

515
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Speaker 1: of his behind. Now, I just questioned if he's equipped

516
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: to just throw the ball NonStop all game long. Now.

517
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: They have a really good offensive line, they have some weapons,

518
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Speaker 1: But I think that's what Russell wants, and he wants

519
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do. He wants to be

520
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Lebron James, and that's just not typically how football works.

521
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has coached Josh Allen, has coached Matt Stafford

522
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: was pushed and coached by Sean McVeigh. That's that's how

523
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: That's how the football works, right, And I just wonder

524
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: this situation. If everything is going well, no problem, it's easy.

525
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Speaker 1: When things are going well, what happens if a little

526
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: adversity it is? You know what happens if you know

527
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Nate Hackett just dropped You know, that was Russell's idea,

528
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: that was something that he had brought and then all

529
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's throwing Russell under the bus. Even

530
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Speaker 1: though it was Russell's idea. You just, you know, his

531
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Speaker 1: first time head coach. You just never know. I just

532
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: got this situation. I'm not arguing that they have talent

533
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: on their team, but they have a quarterback who we

534
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: can talk it all we want about Pete Carroll's situation

535
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: right now, and it looks ugly, but Pete Carroll is

536
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Pete Carroll was a dominant coach

537
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: for all the sc Run and of the Seattle Run.

538
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: So he's a wait, the chances that Nathaniel Hackett is

539
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Speaker 1: ever remotely as good as Pete Carroll, I would say

540
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Speaker 1: a slim the nune and basically zero percent would be

541
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Speaker 1: closer to zero percent than so. Now russells just got

542
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: all these ideas well because he saw Peyton Manning and

543
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: Tom Brady well, I I don't think they have that

544
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: much in common with him as a player, and mainly

545
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: just physical size, Like it's just easier for those guys

546
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: drop back NonStop because they can see everything. Russell, I've

547
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: stood next to him is really small. One of the

548
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: most remarkable parts about Russell Wilson's career if you've ever

549
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: had the chance to just be in the vicinity of

550
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: him and I stood right next to him on sidelines

551
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: and stuff, is how short he is. It is. I mean,

552
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: one of the great marvels of the sport that he

553
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer could be. You know, five ten,

554
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: five eleven, I had a buddy who was at his

555
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: pro day in at Wisconsin and everyone loved him. You know,

556
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: he was beloved in scouting circles. Now, at the time,

557
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: it was a lot less in vogue to draft a

558
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: short quarterback. Anything under like six two and a half

559
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: was laughed at. Remember, John Schneider had to convince Pete

560
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Carroll to draft him because even Pete, who loves huge players,

561
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: look at that s teams. You ever met Matt Leiner

562
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: or Courson. I know he didn't recruit Carson Palmer, but

563
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez definitely just the play Richard Sherman. He likes

564
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: big players, he especially quarterbacks, and he was into it

565
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: at first, but he convinced him changed his career. But

566
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: this notion in in two thousand twelve that like, it's

567
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: become much more invoked. But at the Pro Day when

568
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Russell was measuring in, right, they measure your hand, they

569
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: measure your arm, they get your weight before you do

570
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Speaker 1: any jumping or throwing. When he hit five eleven, even

571
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Speaker 1: because a lot of people thought he was gonna measure

572
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Speaker 1: in at five ten and a half or whatever, and

573
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: that would have been that would have been death. But

574
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: he measured in at five eleven. Even the story is

575
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Speaker 1: that the scouts gave him a standing ovation. So he's

576
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Speaker 1: a he's a marvel that he was able to pull

577
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Speaker 1: it off. It's not and we might not see that

578
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: many good players at that size ever again, right, because

579
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: it's so difficult most offensive linemen at minimum or six four,

580
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: it's hard to see. But thinking you're a partner, uh

581
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: and openly just kind of bragging about it, is it

582
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Speaker 1: feels like it's a slippery slope. It really does. I

583
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Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks, which I can't recommend it enough. It

584
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: is just a fantastic just a good football watch uh Campbell,

585
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: the coaches, the team, it's just it's easy. It makes

586
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: me smile. It is very enjoyable. It's just Douce Staley

587
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: such a stud I put this out on social media

588
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: that the Douce Staley was a fantastic player, I mean

589
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: a fantastic player. Yeah, he's a way better coach. He

590
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: was born to be a football coach. He is. That's

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: what you call an elite position coach. A guy that cares,

592
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: a guy that pushes you, a guy that's knowledgeable, the presence,

593
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: the the authentic personality. I was around him from day

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Speaker 1: one of his coaching career, and it was clear before

595
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Speaker 1: he had ever coached a player, when he was just

596
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: transitioning from being a retired athlete to be a coach,

597
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: he had it. If you watch that, you'll see it.

598
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Speaker 1: There was a moment in the Hard Knocks then I

599
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: think speaks to anyone starting from scratch, and definitely any

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Speaker 1: team that's trying to get something going. Aaron Glenn who's

601
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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator who played in the NFL for a

602
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: long time, gave Dan Campbell And if you've ever been,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess maybe some of your high

604
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: school's work. But when I worked at Fresno State we

605
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: did this and definitely in the NFL, but at Fresson State,

606
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Pat Hill was really good about this, and a lot

607
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: of coaches do this. They let different position coaches and

608
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: coordinators talk to the entire team during training camp to

609
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: give a message. And it's just a time because if

610
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Speaker 1: you're the defensive coordinator, you're never talking to the offensive

611
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: line or the running backs besides like getting to know

612
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: him and bullshitting with them, but like addressing him from

613
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Speaker 1: like a serious football standpoint. And Aaron Glenn got up

614
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: there and he picked out a couple of players I

615
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: think one was from Ohio State and Michael Brocker's from

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Speaker 1: l s U. And he hit on something that really

617
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: resonated with me because I think as someone who started

618
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: several careers from scratch, whether was getting to the NFL,

619
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: whether it's radio and then podcasting, when you first start

620
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: something and it's difficult, and you're starting a ground zero

621
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Speaker 1: and you don't know, like it's not like your parents

622
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: have ever done it, or you know for a fact

623
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have success. It's human nature to be insecure

624
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: and not be confident about what you're doing. I'm a

625
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: big believer that confidence is just created by experience of success.

626
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Speaker 1: Like the more success you have doing something, the more

627
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Speaker 1: you're able to be confident about doing it right. I mean,

628
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: Tom Brady walks into an NFL game and believe he's

629
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna win because hes won like two und them Tiger Woods,

630
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I believed everyone was gonna win every golf tournament

631
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: I've been doing well. Of course he does. He's been

632
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: winning him for thirty five years. Why why would he

633
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: not think that way. It doesn't mean you're always gonna

634
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: have success, But when you've had a lot of success

635
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: at whatever you're doing, whether it's selling cars or play

636
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback, you're gonna believe you can continue to

637
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: be successful if you keep doing what you've been doing.

638
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: But a lot of time losing teams, they haven't been winning,

639
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: so how do they know how to in? And Aaron

640
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Glenn looked at the different players, the Ohio State guy

641
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: and Michael Brocker's and he kind of asked them, like,

642
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: you guys, remember when you were in college, And he said,

643
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: how many games did you lose your last season there?

644
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: And they both said one. I think that both their

645
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: teams went like thirteen and one. And he said, did

646
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: you ever go onto a field thinking you were gonna lose?

647
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: And then you know, of course they didn't. You played

648
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: l s U, you played Ohio State, you played Alabama,

649
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: you play at Georgia, you play at USC with Pete.

650
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 1: You know, you play at Oregon with Chip. The top

651
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: teams when they're humming and and some of these programs

652
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: like Oklahoma or you know whatever have been humming Ohio

653
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: State for a long time. So you show up at

654
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: the program, if you get recruited, you're like, all we're

655
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna do is win? Why would you think anything differently?

656
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: And a lot of guys then come into the NFL

657
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: and started losing, right I. I said this when Cam

658
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: Heyward came on the show. You know, he played Ohio State,

659
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: he played in National Championship. I think he won one

660
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: as well. Maybe he didn't win it, but he definitely

661
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: played in it. He had a lot of success in college,

662
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: and they got to go to Pittsburgh Steelers. Dude has

663
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: never been a part of losing. Now, he's lost games,

664
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: and he hasn't always made the playoffs in Pittsburgh, and

665
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: they've lost in the playoffs. But he's never had a

666
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: losing season since at Ohio State and then Pittsburgh. But

667
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: one thing I remember talking to him about was like, think,

668
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: how many of your teammates that you played with Ohio

669
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: State or guys that come after you just go to

670
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: shitty teams. You know, Garrett Wilson, where's he go? Jets?

671
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: What are the chances that they're gonna win a lot

672
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: of games? Not high? So all of a sudden, you

673
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: just start losing. And when you start losing, it's easy

674
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: to get in the habit. Like when things start going negatively,

675
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of forget about it. And to me,

676
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: teams like the Lions, can you look around, the Texans,

677
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: the Jag some of these teams that have been losing.

678
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: The only way to break the habit you can practice

679
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: the right way. You watch the Lions hard knocks, You go, God,

680
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: these guys try hard. Feels like they're cohes a bunch,

681
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: feels like they have a lot of serious players, just

682
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: a pretty impressive operation. But if you told me, are

683
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: they more likely to have a top five pick or

684
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: be seven and nine or seven and ten or eight nine,

685
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like, probably a top five pick because it's

686
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: so hard to break out of that, and unless you

687
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: can break out of that early, like get some early wins,

688
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: it's hard to ever change it. And you know, the

689
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: only way to break the streak and to not be

690
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: a loser is you've got to find a way to

691
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: be success be successful. And the hardest part about football,

692
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Like I think most things right, people often ask me, like,

693
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: how do I get in a podcasting or YouTube? What?

694
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: You just gotta do it every day, do it, put

695
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: out content and if you're good, eventually it'll break. Now,

696
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: it may take a year, may take five years, but

697
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: if you're consistent with it, it's gonna happen. Noah, fans

698
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: are butts. I don't know when, but it will consistent

699
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: theme in America, you stay consistent with something that you

700
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: know you're talented at, something will happen positively. It might

701
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: not go as you thought, but it will happen. That's

702
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: not the case in sports. You can try really hard,

703
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: you can practice the right way and it doesn't guarantee

704
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: anything because in the games, you eventually have to make

705
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: plays at the right times. And it was a preseason game,

706
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: but they basically lost the preseason game on a It

707
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: wasn't quite a walk off touchdown, but like the dB,

708
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: blew it and the guys probably gonna be selling insurance

709
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: or something. But the point is that if that happens

710
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: in a regular season like they played the Eagles Week one, well,

711
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: it's all funny games the Lions until you lose the

712
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: first game by ten points and all of a sudden

713
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: like just losing Lions again or do somehow you I mean,

714
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: I would imagine there are three or four point underdog

715
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: in that game, you win that game and then get

716
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: some positive momentum. Same thing with the jack Same thing

717
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: with the Texans, Like there's gonna be a team this

718
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: year that has been bad last several years that has

719
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: a positive season, and I would imagine most of those

720
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: teams something happens early and get you some positive momentum.

721
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the Hardball when he showed up with

722
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: the Forts, they had been terrible, They had been awful

723
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: for almost a decade, so shitty always drafting in the

724
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: top five. All they did was lose, and he came

725
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: in and they won. Similarly, Game aimes and the snowball

726
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: just happened. Now they had some talent on their team.

727
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the Lions could all of a

728
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: sudden win like twelve games. But when you get some

729
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: early wins, when you get a comeback win, when you

730
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: have some early success, it's easy to start believing. It

731
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: is hard to believe. The message is kind of drowned

732
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: out in anything when it's not working out. You know,

733
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: I say this with Brandon Staley and I say it

734
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: with Nick Saban. You can't talk about the process when

735
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: the end result is bad. The reason Nick Saban talks

736
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: about how great his process is because he wins championships.

737
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: No one read a business book on a guy that's

738
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: never made any money and goes bankrupt all the time.

739
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: There's a reason you would want to know about Jeff

740
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Bezos or Steve jobs process why it worked. I don't

741
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: want to read the process on Freddie Kitchens. Even if

742
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens ran a great practice, no one cares, or

743
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson or Pat Sherman or any of the crappy coaches.

744
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: But if Bill Belichick put out a book just on

745
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: his process and his practices, everyone will buy it. In football,

746
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: why because it results in positive things and success. So

747
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: I I love Darren Glenn's message, and he's right. And

748
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: the only way for the Lions to kind of break

749
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: this curse of being a really, really shitty franchise is

750
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: they gotta win some games. You know, Zach Wilson turns

751
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: out doesn't need a c L surgery, Right, He's gonna

752
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: be okay. We don't know. You just never know. You

753
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: know a lot of times teams are king of this

754
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: in all sports, and I don't I don't blame him,

755
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: And sometimes they don't know. Right. Doctor might say he

756
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: could be ready in four weeks, turns out to be

757
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: seven weeks now in football seven weeks, like all of

758
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's missing two or three games. And they've

759
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: been adamant that they're confident in Joe Flacco. And I

760
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: think one thing coaches do that we're hard on as

761
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: fans and from the outside is with a starting quarterback,

762
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: he's got a kind of the best of both worlds.

763
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: He's gotta be talented, he's gotta be been productive, he's

764
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: got to be football smart. He's gotta be coachable, he's

765
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: gotta be a good Teammate's kind of gotta be the

766
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: total package. But as a backup quarterback, you know, I

767
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: actually value not me personally, but coaches. They're more valued

768
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: the unquantifiable things like Joe Flacco for example. The Jets

769
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: love the guy. You see some of the quotes from

770
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: coaches and Salah and even some of his teammates. You

771
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: think they have a Pro Bowl as their backup. Well,

772
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: when you're a backup quarterback and you conduct yourself as

773
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: a consistent human being a hard working guy. Because the

774
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: quarterback position part of the reason everyone got on Kyler Murray.

775
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: It takes more time than the other positions. You watch

776
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: more film, you do more breakdowns. You're just spending more

777
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: time with the coach. It just never stops. And even

778
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: when you're off, it's like, you know, we could probably

779
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: host a barbecue to get the teammates together. You're just

780
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: always trying to lead. You're basically the playing version of

781
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: the CEO. Right The CEO is usually the GM or

782
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: the head coach, but you're the CEO version for the players.

783
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: It's exhausting, and uh, it's not exhausting if you if

784
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you like doing it and you're good at it. And

785
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: clearly Joe Flacco is a high level guy, knows the offense,

786
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: has been very successful in the league, very successful, be strong,

787
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: had a successful postseason. He's been a good player in

788
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: the NFL, and a player in the NFL, has made

789
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot of money and been a starting quarterback and

790
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: played in a lot of games for a long time.

791
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes coaches get so close to the

792
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: person and they love how he acts, they love how

793
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: he interacts with the young player, and they value him

794
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: more than his actual plays because so many times teams

795
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: prop up the backup quarterback and their team's fan goes, god,

796
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: this Cole she he loves Nate Sudfield. Oh my god,

797
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: they just really love member. A couple years ago, Jalen

798
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: Hurts is really impressing off Joe Flacco, and sometimes young guys,

799
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: sometimes the Colton McCoy, they they value him so much.

800
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: And then a lot of times when that guy gets

801
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: in he's not very good. But you realize the reason

802
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: they value him so much is all the stuff that

803
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: we'll never see the film, the breakdown, the work ethic,

804
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: the drive, the commitment, the desire to work at the

805
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: craft even when you're not playing, because if you're the

806
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: backup wide receiver, like you can't be loafing because ultimately

807
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna play. If you're a backup linebacker, at minimum,

808
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: you're playing on special teams. If you're a backup quarterback,

809
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: there is a chance if your quarterback is completely healthy,

810
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: and depending on how a blowout goes, you may never

811
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: take a regular season snap all season long. You dress

812
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: every single game. You're standing there, You work as if

813
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna play, and you never cross those white lines

814
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: once the game starts to take a snap all season,

815
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: seventeen games you stand there on the sideline, so you know,

816
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: when you think about it, while you're playing in practice,

817
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: you're actually much closer to a coach than a player

818
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: because every player dressing non backup quarterback, most of them

819
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: get some reps. If I tell you that a little

820
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: defensive lineman dresses seven in games minimum, he's getting averaging

821
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: seven to eight snaps a game. If I tell you

822
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: a dB dresses seventeen games, he's playing on special teams.

823
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, assuming they never have any injuries and games,

824
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: it's unavoidable. Yet at quarterback you may never play a snap.

825
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, once you anoint these guys, we've

826
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: seen Joe Flaco play. He's just kind of a guy.

827
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: He can't really move, he's got a big arm. He's

828
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: also thirty seven years old. I actually commend that. I

829
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: thought once he left the Ravens his career would be over,

830
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: and somehow he's just kind of kept it afloat. It's very,

831
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: very impressive. But I think sometimes coaches get so close

832
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: to it. I mean they teach us some scouting, don't

833
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: watch the player before you get the character because it

834
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: clouds your judgment. Now, it's impossible as a coach, because

835
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: you're dealing with these players to not gravitate towards high

836
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: level guys. Most coaches the reason they like drafting overachievers,

837
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: good guys, high character dudes, because you're spending all the

838
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 1: time with these players. Would you rather spend some time

839
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: with some fucking loser or some high level guy? Now,

840
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: the problem is when that high level guy can't play. Yeah,

841
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: it's great spending time with the Monday through Saturday, but

842
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: he gets you fired on Sunday. And sometimes that guy

843
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: that drives you nuts, who's late to practice, who loves

844
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, makes some big boy plays, you know against

845
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: the Bills are the Chiefs. So it's like you kind

846
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: of gotta deal with it that there's a balancing act.

847
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: But I understand because as a human being, I think

848
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: we would all much rather deal with the more consistent

849
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: human being. The hard part is sometimes it's hard to

850
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Speaker 1: find good backups, you know, in the NFL. And uh,

851
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: it's if Zack Wilson misses a couple of games, they've

852
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: gone all in on Joe Flacco. I I I think

853
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: that could be weird and ugly quick could be wrong.

854
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he just has a couple more moments,

855
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: but banking on a lot man. And and last but

856
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: not least, I saw Andrew Brandt, who negotiated Aaron Rodgers

857
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: contract back and that he loves to tell you about

858
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: it for the Green Bay Packers. And he's a sports

859
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: business guy. He's worked in the NFL for a while

860
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: and now he kind of covers it for s I

861
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. Just tweeted out this um thing today, that

862
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: annual Annual Media Revenue. One thing that I say all

863
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: the time, and I think we've lost touch of is

864
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: the sport of football. I hear sometimes what about the

865
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: lacking of attendance. This is not this is not two

866
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: thousand seven. The sport is not as dependent on butts

867
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: in the seats. So if you tell me there's a

868
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: ten percent decline in attendance, let's just hypothetically say in

869
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: two thousand two there is a ten percent decline in

870
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: attendance in the NFL. I tell you, it's not where

871
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: they make their money. They make their money from you

872
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: and me sitting on our couch and watching the game.

873
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: Because the annual NFL revenue is ten billion dollars per

874
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: year for example baseball and basketball two point six and

875
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: one nine. Well, the big ten now is over a

876
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: billion dollars a year. And I was driving home. My

877
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: mom had a little health scare and I was home.

878
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: She's doing good, I was. I went home and I

879
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: was driving back early this morning on Thursday, and I

880
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: was listening. I flipped Mad Dog Radio on and there's

881
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: a fill in for like Adam Sean and they had

882
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Brett McMurphy who covered the sport, and the guy asked him,

883
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: what value do you think USC and U C l

884
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: A brought to this deal? And McMurphy thought somewhere between

885
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: fifty and fifteen and added value to this deal. So

886
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: if it's a billion dollars, give or take, but you

887
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: know it's a couple of hundred million dollars, it was

888
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: a really big deal to add those two. And you know,

889
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: with the live golf, with the NFL c b A,

890
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: we're just constantly talking about how much the money is

891
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: impacting the sport. And ultimately, like money is all relative. Now,

892
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: you could say relative to what it was twenty ago,

893
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: it's way bigger. It does feel like someone making ten

894
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: million dollars twenty years ago, even with inflation like fifty

895
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: million dollars, whether inflations right and high or not, that's

896
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money per year. And some of the

897
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: contracts getting divvied out are enormous, right, but never forget

898
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: alex Hardriguez signed for two hundred fifty million dollars twenty

899
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: years ago. Michael Jordan, I think made twenty eight million dollars.

900
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: Thirty million dollars his Chicago Bulls so athletes and the

901
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: top guys have always made relative society a stupid amount

902
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: of money and we're cool with it. The only time

903
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: that I feel like we rip on it. It's like

904
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook making fifty million dollars. I got guys in

905
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: the local y that are better shooters. You're allowed to

906
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: get made fun of when you're terrible at your job

907
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: and you're overpaid. That would happen if if you found

908
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: out that someone that you consumed in media that you

909
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: thought was a joke, made twenty five million dollars, you

910
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: would make fun of. Hell, it happens now people that

911
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: don't like Skip or stephen A or Colin or whatever

912
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: start ripping on the they're overpaid. Welcome of life. But

913
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: I also think we're a little nostalgic. Listen, I grew

914
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: up in California watching the PAC ten. It's now the

915
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Pact twelve, but it's actually the PAC ten again because

916
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: those schools are gone technically not yet, but still a

917
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: Pact well for a couple of years, but will be

918
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the PAC ten, assuming the PAC ten survives, which I

919
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: don't think it will. But I think we get very nostalgic,

920
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: like it has to be like this, and I'm guilty too.

921
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: And I started thinking when I was a kid, the

922
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: San Francico Giants were in the same division as the

923
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves. How does that make any sense? The San

924
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: Franco forty niners were in the same division with the

925
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. How does that make any sense? It didn't,

926
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: But you know what, I watched and I enjoyed it.

927
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: And then they changed divisions and they used to be

928
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: rivals with them, and now their rivals with the l

929
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: A Rams who used to play in Seattle or excuse

930
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: me St. Louis. But before that, we're not like I

931
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: just think we kind of become As things change, we adapt. Yeah.

932
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be weird that that USC is gonna

933
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: be playing with Wisconsin consistently and not Oregon State? Yeah,

934
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: it will be a little bit, But in five years

935
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: we won't talk about it anymore. It wasn't that long

936
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: ago before I got to Fresno State. Fresno State played

937
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: in the conference with schools like b y U and Utah.

938
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: Well b y U obviously jumped up in Utah down

939
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: is the Pack twelve champion. Things change, and you know

940
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: what we say about Utah, what a high level program.

941
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: They went toe to toe with the Ohio State at

942
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. How cool is that? Fifteen years ago

943
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: you've been like Utah is gonna try to play in

944
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: the pack tailor the Pack twelve. That's stupid. No, it

945
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: actually isn't. They went to the Rose Bowl and it

946
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: wasn't for injuries, they're probably packed twelve championship. I saw

947
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Dason. That's one of the best teams they've played

948
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: in years. So this notion like money is a huge

949
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: part of everything. It's I love the sport of golf,

950
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: and Live has thrown a huge curveball in it. But

951
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: isn't that kind of society. Aren't you whatever you're doing,

952
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: always trying to make a little bit more money? Now

953
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: it seems a lot more if you're trying tring to

954
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: make if you make k and are trying to make

955
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: a hunter in twenty k and you see this guy

956
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: they used to make fillion revenue go to It's not

957
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: like we can relate. But I don't think. I think

958
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: we're kind of numb to it. I don't think we

959
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: really care, and I think everyone acts like it's it's

960
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: just gonna ruin sports. No, it won't. If you give

961
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: me good events the golf, for example, Will's Alatorus one

962
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: last week, I was glued to my television. If the

963
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball playoffs are the the Yankees, the Dodgers

964
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: against the cheating Astros and the Cardinals and the Mets,

965
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: and it's just awesome. Do you think anyone will care

966
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: that there are six playoff teams now there used to

967
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: be four total? You just go right to the CS.

968
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Is that happened like in the nineties, and they added

969
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: teams and they have now they've added more. You know what,

970
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: no one will care about if the games are good.

971
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: If you tell me USC it becomes a powerhouse in

972
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: football and they play awesome games against Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan,

973
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State, no one will care. In like ten years,

974
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: it'll feel normal. The world is much flatter. I was.

975
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: I was playing golf with my buddy Brian last week,

976
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: and you know it's this is like, you know, in

977
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty three will be my twenty year high

978
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: school reunion. I graduated high school when you know next

979
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: spring twenty years ago. That is insane. I feel old

980
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: as hell. And we were talking like we played in

981
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: high school football against some guys that played in the NFL.

982
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: And Kyle Williams who went to USC in the Peeka Pete,

983
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Devan who played at Oregon State and was alignment

984
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: in UH for the Indianapolis Colts. And you know, I

985
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: think now he's coaching in college. And I remember Vacaville

986
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: is probably twenty five minutes away from where I grew up,

987
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: and I remember junior and senior year in high school,

988
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: we would just talk about her. There are some blue

989
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Chippers at Vacaville. I wonder what they look like. I

990
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: wonder how they play. This is less than twenty years ago.

991
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: We we didn't see him, we didn't know him. I

992
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: remember one of our best players went to a camp

993
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: and like, this guy's a freak. And it was like

994
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: a guy from Fresno who was going to USC. His

995
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: name was like Thomas Hancock or something. Might have been

996
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: a kind of into some juice. But but now every

997
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: player knows every player. If there was a player down

998
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: the street from me, I would just go to Google.

999
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: Everything is so flat. I would know about the dude

1000
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: in Florida, about the dude in New York, let alone

1001
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: the guy down the street from me. So the world changes.

1002
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: And do I love it? Yeah? I mean I wish

1003
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: they would stay. But when I say that, I wish

1004
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: it didn't have to come to this, but it has.

1005
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: And as someone that wanted West Coast football to be

1006
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: a big deal, it just no longer really is. And

1007
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: the only property that really mattered beside USC is Oregon.

1008
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: And let's face it, it feels like Oregon may inevitably

1009
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: end up in the Big Dead as well, because if

1010
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: I was there, I I'd be interested. So these changes,

1011
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: stuff has always changed. Now Ohio State, Alabama, you know,

1012
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: haven't moved. Well, they haven't had to. You know, USC

1013
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: didn't have a choice. Do do you think they ideally

1014
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: wanted to move. If they could have made the same

1015
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: money and stay on the West Coast, they would have,

1016
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: but it wasn't in the cards. And sometimes things aren't

1017
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: in the cards, or sometimes things naturally have to change,

1018
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: like why are the forty niners in the Atlanta Falcons

1019
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: in the same division? Why are the San Francisco Giants

1020
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Braves in the same division? How does

1021
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: this make any sense? And you look back, you go,

1022
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: made no sense. This is moronic. It's it's pretty dumb,

1023
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: and it changed, and you know at the time it

1024
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: was probably like why are we doing? But now they

1025
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: just play the Padres and the Rockies and then I

1026
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: like who they play Seattle who? I'm pretty sure it

1027
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: was in the A f C way back in the day,

1028
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: the Rams, the Cardinals. It feels very normal. It's very

1029
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: geographically uh easy for them. It's not gonna be geographically

1030
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: easy for USC and U c l A. But when

1031
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: you pay them that much money, like we all get

1032
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: to a point of what is your number? And the

1033
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: number was so high it was like, yeah, we'll send

1034
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: the We'll send the baseball team to play Iowa in

1035
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: in April. It's worth it for us, even though we'll

1036
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: lose money on every single baseball, soccer, uh, every sport

1037
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: beside men's football and U c l A basketball. We

1038
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: will lose money, but more cool with it because the

1039
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: number was so high, right, it was like ultimately Dustin

1040
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: Johnson did not want to go to live. He told

1041
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: them originally to kick rocks and then they're like, how

1042
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: about a hundred and seventy five million dollars? He's like,

1043
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: I'm in. And it was no different than this. When

1044
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: Fox and all these media entities, CBS or whoever's you know, CBS, NBC,

1045
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: I guess there's several came to the Big ten and

1046
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: say if you get USC and U c l A,

1047
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: this is gonna be your annual revenue. And they all like, Okay, cool,

1048
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: done deal, U U S C U c l A,

1049
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: we're in. And uh that's where we're here. And that's

1050
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: that's continue how sports is gonna go. The money is

1051
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: just too big. Subscribe to the podcast Middlecoff mail back

1052
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,040
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1053
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