1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it? Pot? Bah? My goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: it's put DeAndre Hopkins pot he put it for a duckdown. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: You've gotta be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: by the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Problem solved, tuckdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces? 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, bring 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker like 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: and nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. Well, tis the off season, gentleman? 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: And what's that saying about the all season? At least 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: the greats of which I have no ability to speak 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: on whatsoever, just based on what I've heard, no experience 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: actually from a first person perspective. Paul Calvc over here, 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: kyloed guard Darren Urban. It is Cardinals Underground, brought to 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: But the off season is where you add to your game, 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: right Michael Jordan was famous for that, for example, a 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: different aspect of your game every off season. And you 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: know it's the off season when Pro Football Focus has 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: gone back and regraded the two nineteen draft. And I 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: bring this up in the context Kyle that I know 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: I'm different this offseason than any other off season because 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: just a fact I'm batting lead off with analytics and 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: tells you all you need to know about what I've 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: added to my game versus just a year or two 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: or three ago. And as you nod accordingly. But here 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: we go with Kyler Murray and you guys saw this. 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Help me understand this. They regraded the two nineteen NFL 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: Draft and they have Kyler at number one, which is 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: where he's selected, and it sounds like they agree with 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: it based on the fact they put the icon next 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: to it. First and foremost, you do have some greatness 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: and you have added to your game because I'm looking 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: on zoom here and you have this mustache coming back 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: that was their last offseason. It looks fantastic, and I 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: mean the offseason is your time to shine because of 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: that mustache. All right, that early stages, by the way, 43 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: it's the early state once I get some performance enhancers 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: in me and then boom he just way you see 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: it next month, go ahead. Yeah. The Kyler Murray thing, 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: they were looking at basically the twenty nineteen draft and saying, okay, 47 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: now we've got two years of data and did teams 48 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: make the right choice? And this can be a pretty 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: short conversation because we obviously know that if the Cardinals 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: had the number one overall pick again and had everybody available, 51 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: they're still taking Kyler Murray. I mean, he had some 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: ups and downs at times this season the end of 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: the year, the Cardinals offense wasn't as efficient as hope, 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: but overall, I mean, he's obviously a guy that is 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: trending quickly towards stardom. And they said it was an 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: excellent an excellent pick as they regrade, and I think 57 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: we all know it that Kyler Murray was a home 58 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: run choice. I mean, just look at the fact the 59 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: NFC Pro Bowl quarterbacks this year, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: and the number one pick in the twenty nineteen draft, 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. So there you go. Not to say that 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: Kyler doesn't have the ability to add to his game 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: in the off season, if that indeed is the segue here. 64 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: But you know, Darren, what's your reaction when you see that? 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, in hindsight to Kyle's point, there's if you 66 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: had the rest of the field, You're not going with 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: anyone else with two years of evaluation under your belt, right, No, 68 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: of course not. And quite frankly, you would have been crazy. 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: You're crazy to think otherwise, but you really would have 70 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: been crazy if we would have been talking eight or 71 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: nine games into the season. You know, look, does Kyler 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Murray still have things to get better at his game? 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a no brainer at 74 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: this point. I mean, they didn't finish the Cardinals the 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: way they wanted to, and I think in a lot 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: of ways a lot of that weight falls on Kyler 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: Murray and head coach Cliff Kingsbury in terms of learning 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: the game as they go along. But I mean, look, 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was the right pick, then it would be 80 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: the right pick now. And when you look around the 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: league and you look at where some of these teams 82 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: are with their franchise quarterbacks or you know, again, even 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: if you're saying like Wolf likes to do that, Kyler 84 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: is a franchise quarterback in the making and isn't quite 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: there yet. I mean, look, look what craziness is going 86 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: on in Houston when they know they have a franchise 87 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: quarterback in Deshaun Watson and they might want to trade 88 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: him because things have gotten so bad there. And look 89 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: what happens in New Orleans when your franchise quarterback finally 90 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: ages out and it looks like Drew Brees is at 91 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: the end of the line if he hadn't already been 92 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: there in terms of his physical gifts, and what are 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: the same to do now? And exactly how does that 94 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: play out? It's a position that if you've got a guy, 95 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to lose them. And it's why it's 96 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: crazy what's going on with the Texans, and it's why 97 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: if you're the Cardinals, you have to continue to push 98 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray to as great at heights as you can get. 99 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: But you feel like that guy is your guy, and 100 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: you know what, that's our segue into this next one 101 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: because you bring up to Shaun Watson, and we brought 102 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: up Pro Football Focus and the analytics and the greats 103 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: in the game right now. Very interesting to see, Kyle, 104 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: that four of the top five graded quarterbacks this year 105 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: according to their system, are all in the NFC and 106 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: AFC championship games. Aaron Rodgers against Tom Brady, Josh Allen 107 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: against Patrick Mahomes. That comprises four the top five. The 108 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: other one that's out on the outside looking in Deshaun Watson. 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: So if Kyler Murray is looking at something to gun 110 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: for the next step, to me, it's that grouping. It's 111 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: that AFC NFC Championship game, obviously arrival in the postseason. 112 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: And honestly, when I watch what Baker Mayfield has done 113 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: the second half of the season and what he did 114 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: in the postseason in year three, to me, if Kyler 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: is looking for a goal or someone to emulate, just 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: the way I thought, Baker Mayfield balled out and really 117 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: became a leader of that Browns team in year three 118 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: of his NFL career. Yeah, and Josh Allen too, and 119 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: Buffalo who had an up and down first two seasons 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: and really had a terrific year in year three, and 121 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: now he has them in the AFC Championship Game. To me, 122 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: there are two paths toward NFL success in the modern 123 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: day league. It's it's either have a superstar quarterback like 124 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: Green Bay does with Aaron Rodgers, you know, like we 125 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: see with Mahomes and Tom Brady, or it's have a 126 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: very good quarterback on a rookie deal. And you mentioned Mayfield, 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and you mentioned Allan, and even Mahomes even though he 128 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: signed his extension, it's still at a discount right now. 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: I mean that money is going to be huge in 130 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: a couple of years, but the city can pay everybody 131 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: because Mahomes is still cheaper than the market would indicate 132 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: he should be. So I think those are the ways 133 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: to succeed. And I think Mayfield and Allen are helped 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: by the fact that you have enough money to put 135 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: really good players around them. You look at this Buffalo offense. 136 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, they signed John Brown and Cole Beasley and 137 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: they traded for Stefon Diggs. They're pouring resources into their 138 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: offense and it's paying off. And you know, when Josh 139 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: Allen has to be paid forty million dollars a year 140 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: or whatever he's gonna get those resources start getting thinner, 141 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: and then there's more on the quarterback, and it goes 142 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: back to your point, Paul, like the Cardinals have a 143 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: very good quarterback on a rookie deal, this is the 144 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: time to strike. And years three and four to me 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: are humongous in an arc of a first round quarterback 146 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: who has those those prime years when he's cheap, and 147 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I think it's incumbent on the Cardinals to take advantage. 148 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: It's funny that, you know, one agree with the finances 149 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: because we talked about it a million times, and it's 150 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: just it's so important these days. It's not impossible to 151 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: get where you're going, because I mean, look in the NFC, 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: where you've got Brady and Rogers and taking up a 153 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: big chunk of your salary cap. But I will say that, 154 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: going back to the original point, Paul, I'm a little 155 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: hesitant when we start talking about Baker Mayfield coming and 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: doing so well at the end of the season, or 157 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: even Kyle talking about Josh Allen, because I feel like, 158 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: in some small ways we got a little bit burned 159 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: by that this year, not that Kyler Murray didn't have 160 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: a solid second season, But at this time last year, 161 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: we were all talking about him being an MVP candidate, 162 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: and I know he played like it for a chunk 163 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: of the year, but it did not finish that way. 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: And it feels like we got a little ahead of 165 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: ourselves in terms of where he might be. And maybe 166 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: it isn't about following Mahomes or Lamar Jackson or Josh 167 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: Allen or Baker Mayfield, and Kyler's just going to be 168 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: on his own timeline. The important thing is that he 169 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: reaches it, and like Kyle was saying, reaches it in 170 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: such a time where hopefully he's still making his rookie 171 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: money and then they can put some pieces around it, 172 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: because the reality is is, while he's going to be 173 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,359 Speaker 1: on his rookie deal another couple of years, he's eligible 174 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: to get a contract extension after next season. And while 175 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: that's what essentially Mahomes did, and you can kind of 176 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: put it off a little bit, his number probably for 177 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: that fifth year or the fourth year, Michael up at 178 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: least a little bit potentially, depending on what wants, what 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: he wants to have happen and where everything goes. And again, 180 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: I just I think that next year is such an 181 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: important year for him, regardless of what anybody else has 182 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: done in terms of how he plays, how Cliff Kingsbury 183 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: brings this team together, and if they can make a 184 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: serious run, because I think the spotlight is definitely going 185 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: to be on in year three. Are the Cardinals close 186 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: enough that they can make those necessary adjustments and additions 187 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: in this offseason to make them a serious contender in 188 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: next post season? Do you, guys, do you feel that 189 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: Kyle that that Okay, we saw him take a leap 190 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: from year one to Clip Kingsbury to year two. Anybody 191 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: who saw the Bears in the postseason, I think we 192 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: all agree everybody. Now, all the Cardinals could have, should 193 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: have would have been there if not for those last 194 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: two games of the year. Now, what can they actually 195 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: be a serious not only contender for the postseason, but 196 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: a contender to play into February, perhaps after one more offseason. Yeah, 197 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: I think I think for sure that is a ceiling 198 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: that can be attained. Like we've talked about, you've got 199 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: a really good quarterback and he's cheap, And I think 200 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: those two things are so incredibly important. They are the 201 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: two most important things to team building right now, unless 202 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: you have an MVP candidate, which at quarterback, even if 203 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: you're paying him forty million dollars, he's still more than 204 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: worth that because quarterbacks are that special. And I just 205 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals if you look at Kyler Murray, like, yeah, 206 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: he didn't have the MVP season, that was obviously the 207 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: very high ceiling of trying to match Mahomes than Lamar Jackson. 208 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: But you look at the numbers across the board, he 209 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: improved quite a bit. When you see the adjusted yards 210 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: per attempt, the net yards per attempt, the stuff that 211 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: shows his passing game improved. Obviously his rushing improved. If 212 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: they can get more pieces around him, I do think 213 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: the offense can take the next step to the next level. 214 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: To me, the offense struggled because the running game kind 215 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: of disappeared toward the end of the season. And that 216 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: wasn't on Kyler Murray. That was for whatever reason, whether 217 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: it be the offensive line or Kenyan Drake, I don't know, 218 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: but they went from having over five point two yards 219 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: per carry early on and I think they ended around 220 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: four point seven. So toward the end it really dropped 221 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: off dramatically. And if you can fix that, you're in 222 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: pretty good shape, and then obviously the question is defensively, 223 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: can you have another good season? But yeah, I'm not 224 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule out the Cardinals competing next season because 225 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: they have Kyler Murray and they're in pretty good cap shape. 226 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue that, although it does, and 227 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: I'd have to break down the umbers and Kyle you've 228 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: probably looked at him more closely than I have in 229 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: particular regard to this. But you know, when you start 230 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: talking about the running game falling off, and I do 231 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: think the running backs game fell off, but I mean, 232 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: it just felt like that just coincided with the original 233 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: Kyler injury, the fact he didn't run for a few games, 234 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: which not only took away some runs that were getting 235 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: some nice bulky yards per carry from him, but also 236 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: took away that threat that was helping your run game 237 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: that just wasn't there. And then of course the last 238 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: game he wasn't able to do anything and barely played. 239 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: I just it goes back to and I was listening 240 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: to somebody talking about in general, where some of these 241 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: teams are, maybe where the Baltimore Ravens are right now 242 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: in terms of Lamar Jackson, and look, I think ultimately, 243 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: while the run game continues to be important, it is 244 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: going to be important. I think that while Kyler's passing 245 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: numbers did n't prove and they do need some extra 246 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: skill guys to be able to throw the ball to him, 247 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: I just think the overall passing game has to get better. 248 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the passing game is where it's at. The 249 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: passing game is where you're going to eventually get there. 250 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: There's always going to be guys teams that are gonna 251 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: be able to run here and there. Running isn't not important, 252 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: but if you can't get those chunk plays as we've 253 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: talked about in the past, and you let these defenses 254 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: be able to get opportunities to stop you because you're 255 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: only going five and six yards at a time rather 256 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: than you know, twenty or twenty five here and there, 257 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: it's really really difficult. I think that's really where they 258 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: stalled at the end of the year. To me, so Darren, 259 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: when you said earlier about how maybe we all got 260 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: over extended over our skis that we will on the 261 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Kyler MVP talk, I mean, when the Cardinals started five 262 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: and two, six and three, and he was tracking to 263 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: be the first quarterback ever to throw for four thousand 264 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: yards and rush for a thousand yards. Was it legit 265 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: at that point? I mean, do you think it was 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: premature because I thought he was a liable MVP candidate. 267 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: And then my FOB question would be, you know what changed? 268 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: How does he get back to that point because defense 269 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: has obviously changed. Is it a matter of adjust to 270 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: the adjustment as we talked about in the second half 271 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: of the season for the Cardinals offense. Was it a 272 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: matter of that shoulder injury. Maybe it was more severe 273 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: than we all thought and it changed his game. What 274 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: do you think is the prescription or how would you 275 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: diagnose this season and the prescription going into this offseason 276 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: to get back to that status. So that level, well, 277 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: first of all, when I'm talking about we got a 278 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: little ahead of ourselves, I'm even going all the way 279 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: back to January, you know, before the pandemic where we 280 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: came off that season saying that second year he could 281 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: be that guy. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to 282 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: have some conversation around him because he was playing at 283 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: an MVP level where they were playing, But as Kyle 284 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: like to talk about, that was a relatively small sample size, 285 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: and as we realized once the season played out, it 286 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: all counts. You know, those first seven games that mattered, 287 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: but so did the last nine. And you know you 288 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: don't get the MVP. I mean, ask Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson, 289 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: after six or seven games, everybody was willing to hand 290 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: him the MVP all together, and he wasn't anywhere near 291 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: the discussion. It's I don't know if he dropped lower 292 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: than Kyler by the end because his team still was 293 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: doing better. But I mean, that's ultimately the same thing 294 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: that happened to Russell Wilson, and I wish I knew 295 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: exactly what it was. I again, we've talked about it before. 296 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: You know, I just feel like they need another playmaker 297 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: that can catch passes, that can take some heat off 298 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, and I do. I think they've got to 299 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: figure out how exactly they want to do some things 300 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: in the passing game, whether it's gonna be bootleg stuff 301 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna get Kyler outside the pocket more often, or 302 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: get some more comfort within the pocket down the middle 303 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: of the field because he'll be in the pocket, but 304 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: going over the line of scrimmage or whatever. For whatever reason, 305 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: whether it's he's short or he's just not comfortable in there, 306 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like those plays happen enough. And 307 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: Kyle correct me if I'm wrong. That's kind of where 308 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: I see it right now. I think, yeah, I mean 309 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: the intermediate passing game, as we've talked about a few 310 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: times since the season ended, that's where it starts with me. 311 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: If you do that, then the run game gets going again. 312 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: I mean, teams can only defend so much, but it 313 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: seemed like about halfway through the season they said we're 314 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: not going to let you do that. His own read, 315 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is not going to keep the ball when 316 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: he When he does that, he's gonna have to hand 317 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: it off. And even though that defender was waiting for him, 318 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals weren't getting efficient runs. So the running game 319 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: bogged down, and then they couldn't get that ten to 320 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: twenty yard air yard type game going efficiently. And if 321 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: you have that, then you can move the ball pretty well. 322 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: And I think pocket passing, intermediate attack is the most 323 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: important thing next season. But Kyler Murray has the ability 324 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: to do that. I think he's naturally going to take 325 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: another progression when it comes when it comes to the 326 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: mental aspect, and that's the part where I think he 327 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: needs to get there is figuring out what a defense 328 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: is doing to him, knowing where his reads are and 329 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: who he needs to throw it to, who's going to 330 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: be open. And once he gets that, I mean, he's 331 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: got these athletic tools that are better than anybody in 332 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: the league. Maybe. I mean, I don't know if if 333 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: anybody can do both of what he does. Mahomes is 334 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: a better quarterback. I don't want to say he's not, 335 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: but Kyler Murray has these special traits as a dual threat, 336 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: and if he can get to the point where he 337 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: can sit in the pocket and efficiently moved the ball 338 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: through the air, then the offense is going to be 339 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: really good. But like Darren said, they didn't do that 340 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: last season, and I agree with that, And maybe we're 341 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: talking about skill set at quarterback. Is anyone more talented 342 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray overall? I mentioned Baker Mayfield taking that 343 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: big leap in year three, and I hope Kyler is 344 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: on that same trajectory. Yeah, Baker isn't nearly as talented 345 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: as Kyler Murray, so I would agree with you on 346 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: that one. And I would also say, and I wonder 347 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: based on the fact that you mentioned the precision passing game, 348 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: and that's something that Clip Kingsbury himself mentioned in early December. 349 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: Remember that quote about how the precision isn't quite there 350 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: in the precision passing game, and he mentioned the receivers. 351 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking out loud and connecting dots here, 352 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: but if the Cardinals made a change at the receiver coach, 353 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: which reportedly they have, how much of the lack of 354 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: efficiency in the passing game, especially in the second half 355 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: of the season, was on the receiver room and maybe 356 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: some of those receivers doing to Kyler what the receivers 357 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: failed to do for Carson Palmer the first half of 358 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: his first year, And maybe there wasn't that efficiency in 359 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: there that needs to be And so maybe it's the 360 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: receiver room that needs to step up in terms of 361 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: its performance to enhance the passing game. So I'm curious 362 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: how that plays out on what else we might learn 363 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: about that going into this all season. You know, I 364 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: when I when I I think about there's a lot 365 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: that's complicated here. When you start talking about that part 366 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: of it, Um because because you're not gonna know, you're 367 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, is it? Is it coaching? Is it? Talent level? 368 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: Is it? There's so many things that we're just never 369 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: gonna know because we're not in that room and we 370 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: don't we're not the ones breaking it down. And um, 371 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: I wish Cliff would get out in front of a 372 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: microphone and basically break it down for us, But I 373 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: do not see that happening. You guys are willing to 374 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: go go ahead and correct me if you think I'm 375 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: off base on this, Uh, but I do not envision 376 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: Cliff doing that for us, And so you know, we're 377 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: kind of left guessing a little bit. And I do 378 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: think some of it could be the coaching for sure. Uh, 379 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: some of it could be just again the talent level. 380 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if you bring in I don't know, I 381 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: don't want to know if I want to have a 382 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: name to throw out there right now, but I mean, 383 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: if if you happen to have a solid number two 384 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver, it's will Fuller has been brought up before, 385 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: not that you would necessarily bring in will Fuller, but 386 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: he was a guy that the Texans brought in to 387 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: try and help with DeAndre Hopkins once upon a time 388 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: and he has a free agent, although he is suspended 389 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: for a bunch of games at the beginning of the year. 390 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: You know, how much does that change things? How much 391 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: would have changed things if Larry FitzGeralds retires and you 392 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: give Andy Isabella more of a chance. Is Andy Isabella 393 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: ready to be there? I mean I had a question 394 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: in the mail bag about Andy Isabella and somebody said, well, 395 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: his speed and his hands are there, and I'm yeah, 396 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: you know, have we necessary I mean, obviously the speed 397 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: is there. I don't know if he's necessarily proven that 398 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: his hands are there all the time? And is he 399 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: running the right routes all the time? Is he comfortable 400 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: in doing what he's doing? Is Kyler trust him? I mean, again, 401 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: we don't know where some of those things are right now. Well, 402 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: his hands are better, but are they reliable enough? In 403 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: an NFL setting where contested catches are the norm, you 404 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: have to be able to make those contested catches to 405 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: be that overall reliable productive receiver. Are you able to 406 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: get your body between the defender and the ball. Are 407 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: you able to have those sort of hands where you 408 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: can wrestle the ball away or catch it away from 409 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: your body and complete the catch. So those are still 410 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: question marks. There's no doubt about it, and there's no 411 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: doubt Dren that we're not going to get a lot 412 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: of details from the head coach on exactly what he 413 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: might be thinking. That's why we're left to sort of 414 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: connect the dots. And that's what I was doing based 415 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: on the comment that the head coach made in early 416 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: December about the lack of precision in the precision passing game, 417 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: which is the backbone in DNA of this offense, and 418 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: the fact they just made it change the receiver coach 419 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: if nothing else. Maybe that's a message Kyle to the 420 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: receiver room and saying, Okay, next thing we do, it's 421 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: easy to change a single coach. Next thing we do 422 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: is start changing players. Yeah. I mean, I think it's 423 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: pretty clear that the third season it's kind of make 424 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: it or break it for Andy Isabella. And I don't 425 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: think you'd go into the season saying, hey, your pencil 426 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: into the starting lineup, not when he was basically inactive 427 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: down the stretch. I mean, that's quite the leap from 428 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: your second year to year third to say we didn't 429 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: think you were good enough to be active on game 430 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: day to hey, you're our starting why or our starting 431 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: slot receiver, so we'll see what happens with him. I 432 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: would personally be surprised if they don't add a number 433 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: two wide receiver because I feel like that's a pretty 434 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: big void offensively, I think, or a really good tight end. 435 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: But they need to have another pass catching option that 436 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: can be type of a game breaker type guy. Where 437 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: they just didn't have a lot of yards after the catch. 438 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of jitterbug opportunities for guys. I mean, 439 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: there was nobody that was a better athlete than the 440 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: defensive backs other than DeAndre Hopkins in a lot of scenarios, 441 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: and I think if the Cardinals can get that, maybe 442 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: that helps unlock this offense. But I think they clearly 443 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: need to do something to upgrade in order to reach 444 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: that level where he talked about earlier. Paul, you want 445 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: to contend next year, it's I mean that has to 446 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: be the goal is for you to make that big 447 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: jump and not just make the wild card and lose. 448 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you're running out of time to have Kyler 449 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: Murray cheap and you have to take advantage of it. 450 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Once upon a time. We always used to like to say, right, 451 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: it's talking heads about how the second most important player 452 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: on any NFL roster is the backup quarterback. Remember those days, Darren, 453 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: Remember that I used to, You know, I used to 454 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: be so when you see what happened in the divisional 455 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: round playoff games when Lamar Jackson goes down and Huntley 456 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: comes in? What's this? What's his full name? I can't 457 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't even remember. I need a prompter right here. 458 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: What's the backup Ravens quarterbacks name? Tyler Huntley? I think? 459 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: And and he misses Hollywood brown Well Hyde open down 460 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: the field for what certainly would have been six. And 461 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: then you have the Kansas City game where Chad Henny 462 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: comes in and, as Patrick Mahomes tweeted out, anything is possible, 463 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: and on third and sixteen or whatever it was, he 464 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: gets right near the sticks, and then they pick it 465 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: up on fourtown. You know what I thought of, I 466 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: thought of, what would Brett Hunley have been like in 467 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: week seventeen at the Rams instead of the inexperienced struggler, 468 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: the leveler. Instead of Huntley versus Henny, what about Hunley 469 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: versus Leveler? And I thought of the Cardinals and what 470 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: could might have been with an experienced quarterback in that 471 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: scenario on the road against the Rams, not unlike what 472 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Brett Hunley did in Week sixteen at the Seahawks the 473 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: year before. Did anybody else have that thunderbolt of a 474 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: thought at that moment? I think everybody probably had that 475 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: thunder bolt of a thought, and certainly after it was over, 476 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: and you don't know what would have happened. I know 477 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: the one thing that the Cardinals had going for them 478 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: in Seattle last year when Hunley was playing was the 479 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: fact that they were running the ball better and they 480 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: weren't running the ball quite as well. And I you know, 481 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: you wonder how much that would have bothered him. But 482 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: at least Brett Hunley has had had a bunch of 483 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: experience starting a bunch of games for the Packers, not 484 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: playing great, but he had done it before. But you know, again, 485 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: for me, you have to wonder a little bit about 486 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: now that we're beyond that game, what they do next year. 487 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: You saw it in the playoffs with Mahomes going down, 488 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: Like you said, with Lamar Jackson going down. It's such 489 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: it is an important spot because you don't think about 490 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: it till you need them, and then when you need them. 491 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: It's a really scary kind of situation. And I remember 492 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: seeing some tweets before the Rams game this past weekend 493 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: when Orford was out again and the Rams only had 494 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles active. They didn't activate Bryce Perkins and have 495 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: a third quarterback, and some people were surprised about that. 496 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: And that's just where coaches are right now. You're gonna 497 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks active for a game. They just it 498 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what other injuries you've had, You're only gonna 499 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: have those two quarterbacks, and you better hope that started 500 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt. Kyle. What else from those those game, 501 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: you know what else struck me is how much I 502 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: still enjoy watching Tyron Matthew. Can I just say that 503 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: he now has eleven picks since twenty nineteen, the start 504 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: of last season, the most of any safety in the NFL. 505 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: There's just something about Tyron Matthew being the heartbeat of 506 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: a defense, and you can't tell me he isn't exactly 507 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: that right now for the Kansas City Chiefs. I thought 508 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: that interception is a great, you know, example of what 509 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: he does. He just he diagnoses plays faster, than anybody 510 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: else on the field. I mean, he's see you see him, 511 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: and you see his emotion and the swag and everything, 512 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: and that's a cool part of him. But the thing 513 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: that stands out to me about him is his intelligence 514 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: and his ability to figure out what a quarterbacks trying 515 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: to do and to step in front of the receiver 516 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: on that play and pick that pass off. Was just 517 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: such an incredible job of dissecting where the ball was 518 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: going to go. And he's a guy who takes a 519 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: lot of chances and you can't I mean, he does 520 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: things that are just instinctual that coaches can't teach that 521 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: they don't want to teach, like you're never gonna say, hey, 522 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: leave a guy running a route and try to jump 523 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: a different route. And we saw Patrick Peterson in the 524 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: final game against the Rams try that and the Rams 525 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: threw over his head for a twenty five yard completion. 526 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: So there's serious risk when you do that sort of thing, 527 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: but Tyr Matthew just always knows how to do it, 528 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: and you're right, it's a fun thing to watch him 529 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: succeed because he was such a good player for the 530 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals in twenty fifteen. Is probably the best individual defensive 531 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: season I've seen since covering the team going on seven years, 532 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: and for him to tears ACL a second time not 533 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: bounce back for two full seasons, you really wondered if 534 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: his career was not going to rebound to the point 535 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: it was. And now he's gotten there. He won a 536 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: super Bowl, he's on track to maybe win another one. 537 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: And it's a cool redemption story within like eight redemption 538 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: stories throughout his full life. And look, he's not the 539 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: same player. He's not the guy you put in the 540 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: slot who can follow, you know, a quick receiver in 541 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: man to man coverage. He's not that guy anymore. He 542 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: is strictly a safety who uses his intuitive nose for 543 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: the game. And and and he's a very sure tackler 544 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: still obviously in the open field. So but just his 545 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: ability to impact the game and just his ability to 546 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: lead a defense. And you guys, remember when he first 547 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: got drafted by the Cardinals, and and and the coaches 548 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: after about two weeks said, look, he may have run 549 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: a four to five, but he plays like he runs 550 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: a four to three. That that's the sort of instincts 551 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: on him. And and uh, you know, the Cardinals like 552 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: to think they have a guy very similar to that 553 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: in a Buddha Baker and so forth. But but I 554 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: think back in the Cardinal season and I think of 555 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: how much they missed Jayleen Thompson and how much I'm 556 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: looking forward to hopefully Jayleen Thompson being healthy for the 557 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals going forward. The other takeaway I had from watching 558 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: some of those games Darren was Devin White and the 559 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: impact he made at middle linebacker. And the last couple 560 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: of weeks I should have added Devin White to the list. 561 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: There he is with an interception himself and given stiff 562 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: arms like Derrick Henry saying get off me. And there 563 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: there's a guy who's a heartbeat it. Here's his defense 564 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: and setting the tone this linebacker. We used to just 565 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: make this the middle Linebacker Podcast. At this point we 566 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: need to segment twenty minutes a day middle linebacker talk. 567 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: It'll be a breakout session afterwards. It's funny that and 568 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: Kyle has been on this on pounding this hard ever 569 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: since last year when he was iffy about going early 570 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: to Isaiah simmons um. But I've been watching looking at 571 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: a lot of certain analytics Twitter, and they're talking about 572 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: how the mistakes made by some of these teams. One 573 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: example was the Seahawks and how they took it off 574 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: the ball linebacker, you know, as opposed to taking a 575 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: potential third wide receiver, good third wide receiver, because quite frankly, 576 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: a good third wide receiver is just so much more 577 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: important right now, or a guy that could be your 578 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: second on an injury than an inside linebacker at this point. 579 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: And you look around the league, and I don't disagree 580 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: with what you're saying, Paul in terms of that it's 581 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: important to have that guy. But you know, one of 582 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: the reasons they won that game was also because the 583 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: Bucks have a lot of really good receivers. And I'm 584 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: guessing if you had to ask Bruce arians who he 585 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: would throw back into the pile right now, if you, 586 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, put like a couple of those top receivers 587 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: and Devin Devin White, I think I would know who 588 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: he's going to say. And I don't know if if 589 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: it's one of the wide receivers. I love. BA. After 590 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: the game, by the way, is quote as sort of 591 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: a backhanded quote as he's want to do. He said, yeah, 592 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: everybody said that Devin White couldn't cover anybody. Well, he 593 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: showed differently today, So that was a money quote. And 594 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: then they asked him about and it's interesting because I 595 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: kind of thought of the Cardinals in this application. They said, well, 596 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: what about the identity of this team? Did you finally 597 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: get an identity to this team two playoff games in? 598 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: And Bruce Arian's answer was essentially, look, I said at halftime, 599 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: our identity is we're going to be the bleeping bleepers 600 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: who find a way to win this game. That's gonna 601 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: be our identity. And so it was another classic BA 602 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: postgame quote. Yeah, and that we've talked about offensive identity 603 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals and all that. It's like, it doesn't 604 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: matter to me. I mean, if you're throwing, if you're 605 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: obviously you want to be a very efficient passing team. 606 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: But early when the Cardinals were run raid and they 607 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: were averaging six yards of carrier seven yards of carrying games, 608 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: that'll win too. I mean, I don't think it matters 609 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: that much as long as you're great. But yeah, I 610 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: mean the from week to week things change a lot. 611 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: I think you just want really good players to make plays, 612 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: and you put enough good players on your team, you 613 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: can call it whatever you want. You just want to 614 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: be successful, all right, So what else, Darren, stood out 615 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: to you over this last division around set of playoff 616 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: games and going in the a f C NFC Championship, 617 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: what else stands out to you? Well, I mean, I mean, 618 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: it's it's hard not to get past what you talked 619 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: about earlier, which is the quarterbacks right now and maybe 620 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: even where the Cardinals could potentially stand going forward. I mean, 621 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: when you look at you know, the Saints are gonna 622 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: be probably without Drew Brees. Tom Brady is still playing 623 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: at a very high level, but he's older. You know, 624 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is not as young as he used to be. 625 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the really good young quarterbacks 626 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: seem to be in the AFC right now, and think, goodness, 627 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is heading over to the AFC at like 628 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: and hopefully Deshaun Watson stays over there. Um, But it 629 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: feels like as important as the quarterback position is, you know, 630 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have an advantage with who they might have 631 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: in their conference. Uh. Now, you got to get the 632 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: guys around them, and you got to get the whole 633 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: team going in the right direction. But Tom Brady's not 634 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: going to be around for forever and uh, and you 635 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: and you do, you do have some optimism there at 636 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: least I would how about you, Kyle, anything else stand out, 637 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: especially as we go into a Championships Sunday. Uh. I 638 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: mean I kind of want to build off of Darren's 639 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: point more than Championships Sunday, because I like looking at 640 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: from a Cardinals perspective. But I do think they have 641 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: a chance. With the way the salary cap is configured 642 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: like it's it's gonna be hard for a lot of 643 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: teams to get under the cap, and a lot of 644 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: important veterans are going to be released, and having Kyler 645 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Murray so cheap, the Cardinals are in a lot better 646 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: position than most teams, or they're gonna be under the 647 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: cap when things begin, and they can easily shed more 648 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: salary and get further under and you you're probably gonna 649 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: find really good bargains on the free agent list this 650 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: season because a lot of these veterans just aren't going 651 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: to get paid. So the Cardinals are in a good 652 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: position where they're going to where they want to put 653 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: the pedal to the metal and they want to compete 654 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: right away, and there are going to be guys available 655 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: for less than the than their worth. So I think 656 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: it's a kind of a good spot for the Cardinals. Like, 657 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: you don't want the salary cap to go down, and 658 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: you obviously want these players to be paid their market value, 659 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: and nobody wants this pandemic to happen. But if everything 660 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: has to be like this, the Cardinals are in a 661 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: better position than probably eighty percent of the teams. I'd say, well, 662 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: and I would just jump in here real quick. It's 663 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 1: funny that we because we use that term a lot, 664 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: and when you say market value, it's it's what they're worth, yes, 665 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: But unfortunately the market value is going to be lower. 666 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: Now they might get paid their market the problem is 667 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: their market values dropped because the overall economics of the 668 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: game is dropped, and it's gonna I'm I'm fully expecting, 669 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: quite frankly, to have a ton of guys signed one 670 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: year contracts this coming year, just like they did last year, 671 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 1: because you're gonna hope to try and tread some water 672 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: with us and not get tied down to any situation 673 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: until you can get bigger money. That's that's would be 674 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: my guess. I heard it said that a lot of 675 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: players and their agents are gonna be facing tough decisions 676 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: when teams inevitably propose a salary cut because of the 677 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: reduced cap. There's gonna be a lot of hard discussions. 678 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: We'd love to keep you, but not at your current number, 679 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: and then the player and the agent are gonna have 680 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: to decide do we take that number or do I 681 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: risk going on the open market where there's a good 682 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: chance I could get even less because nobody knows how 683 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: it's going to play out on the open market, And honestly, 684 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: I get the sense that this could be an epic 685 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: year for time time signs. We're talking late Joey why 686 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: going into camp where a lot of guys are probably 687 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: still going to be an open market slowly coming to 688 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: the realization I'm never gonna get what I thought I 689 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: was worth, and it might even be earlier in the 690 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,479 Speaker 1: offseason because it is such a reality for so many 691 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: players where there might be that first wave, but that 692 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: the old second wave where you look at Devon Kinnard 693 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: and Devon j. Campbell. You know, Jordan Phillips wasn't He 694 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: was a first wave, but he wasn't like a fifteen 695 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: million dollars a year guy like these these second waivers 696 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: might not happen at all. You might not see a 697 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: bunch of six, seven, eight million dollars a year deals. 698 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: It's gonna be three or four million dollars. So that's 699 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna be interesting how all these teams handle it. 700 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Darren mentioned the Saints. They're one hundred million 701 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: dollars or something over the cap. Like a lot of 702 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: teams are just gonna be hitting reset for one season 703 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 1: because they're in such bad cap shape and it's gonna 704 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: be really hard to be competitive next season. And I 705 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: think a lot of teams might have to just look 706 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: at twenty twenty two because of the cap shape they're in, 707 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals don't have to do that. They're in 708 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: better shape. It's funny you mentioned the Saints because at 709 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: the end of the Saints playoff game, somebody got a 710 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: clip of Drew Brees and it looked like, if you 711 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: kind of read his lips, something telling Jamis Winston, something 712 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: like this is your team now or something like that. Now, 713 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: maybe people were above their skis in terms of guessing 714 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: what he was actually saying, but let's say that's what 715 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: it was. And I'm thinking to myself Jameis Winston's a 716 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 1: free agent and the Saints are so far over the cap, 717 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know how much they could afford to 718 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: pay them. If you're Jameis Winston, do you want to 719 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: stay there? Now? You could probably put up some nice 720 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: numbers in Seoum Payton's offense, But are you willing to 721 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: do it for like two million dollars? Are you willing 722 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: to do what like Cam Newton did? Or are you 723 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: going to go out on the open market and see 724 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: if somebody might be willing to bring you in. It's 725 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating because I do think it's a push 726 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: and pull. I mean, I agree with you, Paul. There's 727 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of players that are gonna have 728 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: to make hard decisions. But there's gonna be some teams 729 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: be putting a rough spot too, because there's gonna be 730 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: guys they really want to get and they're gonna be 731 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: so hamstrung that you know, you could end up losing 732 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: a guy for a contract that normally you'd be like, 733 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: I would have matched that in a second, but because 734 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 1: of how bad a situation we are this year, we can't, 735 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: and it would that would be so frustrating to have 736 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: a guy that you really really wanted and knowing cost 737 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: you whatever it is, three million dollars a year, and 738 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: you're thinking, I can't afford to pay that guy three 739 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: million dollars next year. That's that's really gonna be. There's 740 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some tums moments for some gms too. 741 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: So as I hit zoom out here on Cardinal's Underground, 742 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: brought to you by a Pacific Office automation prop partner 743 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, Darren, the fact that the Cardinals 744 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: have twenty seven unrestricted free agents twenty eight PA. I'm 745 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: going to apologize. I had the number twenty seven out there. 746 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: I missed Isaiah Irving. So they have to is that 747 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: in the top echelon, top tier, top percentage of teams? 748 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: I would have to look, but I certainly would think 749 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: that it's it's pretty high up there. Yes, And here's 750 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: the real question. Is that a good thing this year 751 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: because you might be able to negotiate lower player salaries, 752 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: You might be better equipped to get under a cap 753 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: and now might be around one hundred eighty million reportedly, 754 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: we'll see. But is that actually put the Cardinals in 755 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: a better position having more unrestricted free agents than usual. Well, 756 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: I would say that the one thing it does do 757 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: is it prevents you from having those uncomfortable conversations with 758 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: players and agents about taking a pay cut if you 759 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: want to stay. I'm not saying it won't happen with 760 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: any Cardinals, but if a guy has an expiring contract, 761 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: then there's less of that and now you're just talking 762 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: about having a guy go out in the open market. 763 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: And the reality is is, you know, I think the 764 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: Cardinals wouldn't mind having a bunch of the guys back 765 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: that are free agents, but they're not necessarily deal breakers 766 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: in terms of if you don't have a particular guy 767 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: or not just because of where they are in their 768 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 1: careers or where they know, how they're playing, or what 769 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: it might be. So again, I think it's gonna be 770 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: fascinating how Steve Kim approaches this. It's going to be 771 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: fascinating how the entire league approaches this. You mentioned one 772 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: hundred eighty million dollars in the cap. It was right 773 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: around a little over one hundred and ninety eight this year, 774 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: I think it was, and they were worried that it 775 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: was going to be down as low as one seventy five, 776 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: so it would be a little higher than what they 777 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: were originally worried about, but still a significant drop from 778 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: this year, especially when you normally would be jumping to 779 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 1: like two hundred and ten million in a non pandemic 780 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: situation and you're instead gonna be a one eighty. It's 781 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: it's a it's a hard road to maneuver. And I 782 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: know there's a big number of free agents, but if 783 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: you look at the Cardinals from a first string offense 784 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: and first string defense, I mean, there's not a ton 785 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: of spots where you need guys. This is a lot 786 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: of backups, a lot of depth guys. I mean you 787 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: have you have your left tackle in DJ Humphreys. You 788 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: have your quarterback in Kyler Murray. You have your star 789 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver in DeAndre Hopkins, like you have Buddha Baker 790 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: and Chandler Jones. You have a lot of cornerstone building 791 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: block pieces on each side of the ball under contract, 792 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: and it's maybe you're in a good spot where you're 793 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: because they think the general idea is that the stars 794 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: are still going to get paid, like Jalen Ramsey got 795 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: a huge extension still and obviously the Cardinals paid Buddha Baker. 796 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals are maybe more looking at these second tier guys 797 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: and that's where you probably get the bargain this year. 798 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: And that's another reason why I think they're in good 799 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: shape because they have a lot of these premium positions 800 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: under contract. Cornerback to me is the big one that 801 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: they don't and then you know, outside linebacker. If you 802 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: don't bring Hassan Reddick back, that would be the other 803 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: big question to me. But I still feel like they 804 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: can probably figure out a way to get Reddick back 805 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: because they have the money. By the way, speaking of 806 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: a son, Reddick didn't Pro Football Focus to sign him. 807 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: Is the number one free agent to target, the most 808 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,479 Speaker 1: valuable guy that could potentially hit the open market, Kyle. 809 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: Wasn't that Hassan Reddick that when they identified, Yeah, they 810 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: picked one person from each team as an impending free 811 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: agent that would be the toughest for that team to lose, 812 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: and they chose Reddick for the Cardinals. I personally agree 813 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: with that. I mean, you've got bigger names, Patrick Peterson, 814 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, Kenyan, Drake, Marcus Golden as a free agent too. 815 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: But from what Hassan Reddick showed and because of his age, 816 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: he's still only twenty six. He's an edge rusher, one 817 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: of the most premium positions in the NFL. Those factors, 818 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: to me are why you would love to keep him. 819 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: And it wouldn't surprise me if he's a big priority 820 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: because of those factors, even though he doesn't have nearly 821 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: the track record of some of the other guys. But 822 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: realizing that once you put him at outside backer he 823 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 1: really flourished, that would give me hope that he can 824 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: continue to do it. And yeah, the five sack game 825 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: inflated his overall sack total and he ended up among 826 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: the NFL leaders. But I believe they assigned him overall 827 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: the eleventh best pass rusher grade in the NFL. So 828 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: based on that and how important is to get to 829 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback and the Cardinals right now have some questions 830 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: on the edge and Chandler Jones and his age and 831 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: his contract status going into the last year, I would 832 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: definitely agree with their assessment there. To hit zoom out again, Darren, 833 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: when you look at these personnel decisions, to what degree 834 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: should any of this go through their franchise quarterback? And 835 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: I bring that up because of the Shawn Watson situation, 836 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: and it seemingly appears that if they would have been 837 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: more in syncn and concert with DeShawn Watson than they 838 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the situation they're in right now. So 839 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: is there a lesson for the Cardinals and every other 840 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: team with a young franchise quarterback on board to learn 841 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: based on how players view things here in twenty twenty one, 842 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: starting with the NBA we'll be seen over the past 843 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: few years. I think that's a great question, Paul, and 844 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a case by case basis. I do 845 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: think that there are certain parts of this that Kyler 846 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: Murray still has to learn the NFL game. I mean, 847 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: I think it's different with Kyler Murray than it might 848 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: be with Carson Palmer when he was here, or even 849 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, because he is still trying to learn the 850 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: game himself. I'm not sure you know how much he's 851 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: actually paying attention to the rest of this stuff. So 852 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, you're hesitant to give too much say to 853 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: players because there can be a legit conflict of interest. 854 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: Let's face it, if it was up to Kyler, they 855 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: would have spent they would have gotten ceede Lamb with 856 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: their first pick last year, I think, and I think 857 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: Kyler would be the first to say that he has 858 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: his biases of why that he would do that. So, 859 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: but you know, I don't think it's wrong to loop 860 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: in the quarterback and kind of let him know what 861 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: your thought processes with some of it, even if you're 862 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: not necessarily saying what do you think, if do you 863 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: think we're doing the right thing, just kind of make 864 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: sure he knows what's going on. And I think that's 865 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that didn't hasn't worked with Deshaun 866 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: Watson is he feels like he doesn't know what's going on. 867 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: And I think you've got to be really careful because 868 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,479 Speaker 1: I think it's hard, Like I said, with Kyler Murray 869 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: being twenty three or whatever he is, I'm not going 870 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: to him and relying on all the experience because he 871 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: doesn't have much. But at the same time, if you're 872 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: asking a guy to be the face of your franchise, 873 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 1: if you're asking the guy to be here for a 874 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: decade plus and build your franchise around him, I do 875 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of again letting him in 876 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: the loop so he understands the thought process behind some lass. 877 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean, for example, when Tom Clements retired and they 878 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: named a quarterback coach, Kyle I'm guessing that went through 879 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray to a large degree before they elevated Cam Turner. Right. Yeah, 880 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: I mean I think especially a relationship like that is 881 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: super important. And yeah, I think it's it's a very 882 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 1: unique spot where Kyler Murray is a player and he's 883 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: still what twenty three years old I think at this point, 884 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: So he's such a young guy, but he's such an 885 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: important party or franchise that I totally agree with Darren Like, Yeah, 886 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Kim obviously knows how to watch tape 887 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,879 Speaker 1: and understands traits and understand who to draft better than 888 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray who's a young player in the NFL. But 889 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: I think it's still good to kind of keep him 890 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: in the loop on stuff and ask him, you know, 891 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: if he sees anything or if he's thinking anything for 892 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: next season. I think that type of partnership would be 893 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,320 Speaker 1: a good thing overall. But it's certainly a fine line 894 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: because you're the GM or you're the coach, and you 895 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: have certain ideas and you know a lot about what 896 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: you're doing. I mean, you don't become a head coach 897 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: or an assistant coach or a GM for no reason 898 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I think you have to remember 899 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: that too. So I think it's an interesting dichotomy, especially 900 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 1: like you said, Paul and the more player empowerment era 901 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: that we've kind of gotten into. And I think luckily 902 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, there's a lot of good things going on. 903 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: There's good synergy between Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray and 904 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: Steve Kim and Michael Bidwell. I think there's a lot 905 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: of good things going on with this group, and you 906 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: just want to keep it that way where everything's copathetic, 907 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: and I am saying within reason, there's no doubt about that. 908 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, for example, Darren brought up Kurt Warner. He 909 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot aways the offensive coordinator when he was 910 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: on board, and he was instrumental in devising the game plan, 911 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: just like Carson Balmer had a big say in devising 912 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: the weekly game plan. But those guys had a decade 913 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: under their belt, and you know, former number one picks 914 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: and Pro Bowls and MVP trophies in the case of Kurt. 915 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: So so I get it, but you know, it doesn't 916 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: hurt air on the side of keeping your franchise quarterback 917 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: involved and aware based on what we've all seen going on. 918 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: So you know there's there's that. By the way, you guys, 919 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: as we wrap up this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought 920 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: you by a Pacific Office Automation, proud partner in the 921 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, what exactly are you guys doing here? And 922 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: in case Larry Fitzgerald calls it a career, because I'm 923 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: fresh off and yet another editing session, and if Larry 924 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,240 Speaker 1: is listening, I'm asking him for at least another twenty 925 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: four hours if we still have a little editing to 926 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: go on your twelve minute career retrospective feature, Larry, So 927 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: just buy us a little more time in the editing room, 928 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 1: if you would please. If you are on the verge 929 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: of announcing that you're calling it a career, even better, 930 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: if you can just call Paul Kelvic and let him 931 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: break the news, and then everything's good. You can get 932 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,919 Speaker 1: your retrospective ready. You can go ahead and tweet out 933 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: that he's retiring and get five million retweets to just 934 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, the Herm Edward scoop. Or even better, 935 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: if you're staying Larry, then I'll just shove it off 936 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: to next year. I can procrastinate and I'll go hit 937 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 1: happy hour. Okay, that's the question. Oh, the question we 938 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 1: need to be asking right now is, since we've been 939 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: going through this merry go round for five years or 940 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 1: whatever it's been, how has this not already totally done? 941 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean, everything just in the bucket and already finished, 942 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: and you don't even need to worry about it, just 943 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: worry about growing out that mustache. I was a bit 944 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: I was a bit of a gambling man the last 945 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: few year, thinking ah, he's not serious. So you know, 946 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: I kind of had it halfway done, but I didn't 947 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: have it all the way downe because I wasn't all 948 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: the way buying that Larry was truly going to retire 949 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: but at thirty seven. Actually, the question we need to 950 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: be asking ourselves about Larry. According to reports, the man 951 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 1: bought a house for three million and twenty fifteen and 952 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: just sold it for eighteen million dollars. Are you kidding me? 953 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 1: Well bought? What is going on with that? I will say, Paul, 954 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: I have talked to some sources that have let me 955 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 1: know that Larry did put some upgrades into that house. 956 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 1: So to say he went from three million and turned 957 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: it to eighteen probably isn't accurate, but I'm sure he 958 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: did just fine. It makes me feel a little better. 959 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: But once again, hashtag winning when it's Larry Fitzgerald d 960 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,759 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, now, are you who was? It 961 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: was Cliff Kingsbury. He said, you think of Larry, just 962 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: think of a guy who wins a life. Well, here's 963 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: the latest w for Larry. And the other thing too. 964 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: I hope nobody's looking at him selling a house as 965 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: a potential that he's retiring, because one he's going to 966 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: have a house in Arizona. Larry's the guy that would 967 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: do something where I'm He's living in a house. He's 968 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: totally happy. And then some guy knocks on his door 969 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: one day and says, we're gonna give you like double 970 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: market value if you're willing to sell his house, and 971 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,720 Speaker 1: Larry's gonna be like, I'm out, Okay, go right ahead. 972 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,399 Speaker 1: I'll go buy the place a mile down the road 973 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: and make my money. I don't care. Here's twelve million 974 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: dollars in profit. Yeah, I'd take that too. It is 975 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 1: a seller's market. There's no doubt about it. So once 976 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: again Larry shrewd in his acquisitions and sales, and Darren, 977 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,399 Speaker 1: don't think for a minute I didn't at least think 978 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: something about it. And in the words of that great 979 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: American philosopher Stephen Colbert, you know what that means, probably something, Okay, 980 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 1: So that's what I thought of when Larry sold his 981 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: mansion in PV. I thought you meant you thought about 982 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: buying it. That's what I thought you were going with 983 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,839 Speaker 1: that too, And then I had to wonder what we're 984 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: paying you. No, no, I just settle for the twelve 985 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: car garage. Honestly, you had me at the twelve car garage. 986 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,399 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted, is that that's where you would 987 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: live in the two Absolutely. Yeah, well come on, I 988 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,439 Speaker 1: can't even fill half the garage, so i'd have I'd 989 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 1: have more square footage in the second half of the 990 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: garage than I do at Costa Calvisi. So that's honest. 991 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: So you know, in fact, I'm leaving it right there. 992 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: You know that. That's kind of a sobering life reality moment. 993 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: I need to take five. That'll do it for Cardinals 994 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: Underground Brought to you by Pacific Office automation, mic Dropp,