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Speaker 1: Unbelievable one hitter quitter from the great six foot nine

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Speaker 1: Gypsy King Tyson Fury to deposit and finish Dillion White

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Speaker 1: to the canvas on Saturday, London's Wembley Stadium ninety four

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Speaker 1: thousand and a resounding defense of his lineal and WBC

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Speaker 1: Heavyweight Championship. My name is Brian Campbell. This is the

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Speaker 1: White and what is next for the Gypsy came a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a missed message, a mixed message, if

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Speaker 1: you will afterwards. Is it gonna retire? Is it gonna

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Speaker 1: chase big money? What is next for Tyson Fury? We're

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Speaker 1: gonna break all that down and then some tall, pale

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Speaker 1: to it. You could not have had more of a

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Speaker 1: raucous scene for the return of the thirty three year

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Speaker 1: old Fury, who knocked out Deontay Wilder last October to

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Speaker 1: close out their trilogy about but took the big cash

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Speaker 1: offering to come back to his home country entertain the

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Speaker 1: London fans. He got paid upwards of thirty million. He

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Speaker 1: took home that four point one million or so bonus

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Speaker 1: that was dictated in the terms of this deal.

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Speaker 2: But much bigger things.

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Speaker 1: To talk about for Fury here, not just his future,

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Speaker 1: but where he's knocking on that door, climbing that ladder.

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Speaker 1: What other cliches can I use in terms of all

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Speaker 1: time heavyweight royalty. Yes, the unbeaten Tyson Fury is closing in.

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Speaker 1: And this performance right here, really you could argue was

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Speaker 1: the very best of who Tyson Fury is and what

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Speaker 1: he has become. And that's the key part of it.

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Speaker 1: What he has become. Tyson Fury's career in personal life

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Speaker 1: has been a roller coaster. It's been all over the place.

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Speaker 1: But the version of Tyson Fury who upset Vladimir Klitschko

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Speaker 1: seven years ago to commandeer three or four heavyweight titles,

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Speaker 1: that's such a far different man from the fighter he

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Speaker 1: Stewart of Kronk, Jim Fame and Detroit. And you saw

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Speaker 1: that in this fight. So what do we have here?

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Speaker 1: We had a title defense, a mandatory one for the

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Speaker 1: interim WBC champion. White, who's won twelve of thirteen, was

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Speaker 1: the most deserving to crash this heavyweight title party, which,

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Speaker 1: of course, this overall picture still includes Alexander Ussik, who

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Speaker 1: other big names that we talk about, but Dillion White

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Speaker 1: round one, we saw an interesting wrinkle and Dillion White

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Speaker 1: opening up southpaw, surprising all of us and forcing Tyson

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Speaker 1: I like some of the things I saw from Dillian

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Speaker 1: he's a freak of physical nature.

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Speaker 2: To begin with, he's.

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Speaker 1: Six foot nine, he's got what in eighty five inch reach,

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Speaker 2: How did Fury do that? He did that with his

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Speaker 1: But the new Tyson Fury who transitioned away from trainer

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Speaker 1: if he's going to be the heavyweight of this era,

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Speaker 1: be labor this point, but the Tyson Fury pre twenty

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what Fury did in round six. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think Fury gets to that point round six

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Speaker 1: and that all set the stage for round six, where

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Speaker 1: it was apparent at the midway point that Fury was

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Speaker 2: He was piling up rounds.

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Speaker 1: I had it five rounds or four rounds to one

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Speaker 1: he looked to be on his way to winning Dillian White.

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Speaker 1: The opening round of that was very close and not

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Speaker 1: White in a clean shut out across the board.

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Speaker 2: That's more than acceptable.

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Speaker 1: have to rally back at times against an you know,

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Speaker 1: This punch by Tyson Fury, which began with a lead jab,

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Speaker 1: his calling cardon reality right that uppercut knocks out every

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Speaker 1: I think Tyson Fury really wanted to be a part

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Speaker 2: And what did he do? He kept breaking that promifont

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Speaker 1: I gotta go box Tyson Fury in this unique heavyweight

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Speaker 1: There's nothing stopping Tyson Fury from making a huge, easy payday.

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Speaker 1: Even with you know, WWE calling or acting or whatever

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Speaker 1: Let somebody else make that history in front of you know,

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Speaker 1: glamour division.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't know it now you know that.

435
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Speaker 2: You know.

436
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Speaker 1: The saying is as the heavyweight division goes, SODA's boxing

437
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,959
Speaker 1: because heavyweight boxing is the gateway drug. It's it's more

438
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Speaker 1: or less the reason all of us ever first came

439
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Speaker 1: to boxing, through the Rocky movies, or through Mike Tyson,

440
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Speaker 1: or through the great nineties era of all those great champions.

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Speaker 2: You know that it's heavyweight boxing. So you're telling me

442
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Speaker 2: he's gonna stay away.

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Speaker 1: No, no chance, No chance in hell, Vince McMahon, ww,

444
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: no chance. So I think the question is more about

445
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Speaker 1: is this a partial bucket list thing?

446
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: Is this a way for Tyson Fury.

447
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Speaker 1: To bring on even more generational wealth than the thirty

448
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: plus million he just won, you know, with the win

449
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Speaker 1: bonus in this one, And you're telling me, at age

450
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Speaker 1: thirty four, next year, he's not No, he's gonna do it.

451
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Speaker 1: He's gonna fight for the undisputed title. So look, crazy

452
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Speaker 1: things can happen. No one expected Fury to go on

453
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Speaker 1: the four year bend or heated after the Clitchco fight.

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Speaker 1: He's had as unique aid life and career run as anyone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's not forget he's named Tyson Fury because

456
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Speaker 1: he was born while Mike Tyson was heavyweight champion in

457
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, and his dad said, this boy right here,

458
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Speaker 1: the one who barely survived birth, by the way, and

459
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Speaker 1: had all these health complications, he's gonna go on to

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Speaker 1: win the heavywitch.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's Cinderella's storrybook stuff right there.

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Speaker 1: That guy is not going to step aside and let

463
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Speaker 1: other people make history in his house, and by his

464
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Speaker 1: house I mean the sport, the division, potentially England, which

465
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Speaker 1: you know as draws insane crowds in. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna let Aj come back and put maybe a knock

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Speaker 1: out Usik, or let this Ukrainian wizard, this boxer Alexander Usik,

468
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Speaker 1: who was the undisputed cruiserweight king, do the same at heavyweight.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go back in there and prove that you're

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Speaker 1: the the heavyweight of this era. A Mantle again, I

472
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Speaker 1: believe he's already secured, and you're gonna prove that you

473
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Speaker 1: may be as hard to figure out historically where you

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Speaker 1: belong as anyone we've ever seen before, and some of

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Speaker 1: it will inevitably be As I mentioned that Fury won't

476
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Speaker 1: get to fight as many big names, given how weird

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Speaker 1: his career has been that you're like, Okay, does he

478
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Speaker 1: have the same resume as an Ali No, you know

479
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Speaker 1: Lennox Lewis even know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not, you know, like holy Field.

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Speaker 1: No, but but again, when you're doing the mythical matchup

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Speaker 1: in your head, how when the damn hell does any

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Speaker 1: heavyweight champion in the history of boxing any go in

484
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Speaker 1: there against a six foot nine Tyson Fury and.

485
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Speaker 2: Be fully confident that they got this.

486
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Speaker 1: And again, going back to my earlier point, that's the

487
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Speaker 1: hard thing you have to consider when you're comparing eras.

488
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Speaker 1: When you're saying two thousand, Shaquille O'Neal with the Lakers,

489
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Speaker 1: right whenning the MVP, crushing the championship unguardable, what does

490
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Speaker 1: that guy look like garden George Miken in nineteen fifty four,

491
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Speaker 1: You mean back in the era when we had eight

492
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Speaker 1: NBA teams and half of the centers are balding, six

493
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Speaker 1: foot eight white guys who are smoking cigarettes at halftime

494
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Speaker 1: and keeping part time job as his insurance salesman in

495
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Speaker 1: the offseason. Yeah, you can't compare eras in that sense,

496
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Speaker 1: just like as I said earlier, you can't compare Rocky

497
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Speaker 1: Marciano and his height and where he was in his era.

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Speaker 2: To the super heavyweights today.

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Speaker 1: But just like saying, you know what era could Lebron

500
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Speaker 1: James competed every single one. He's six foot eight guard

501
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: forward who can play every position and you know e

502
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Speaker 1: f aroun and get a triple double any night that

503
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Speaker 1: he wants.

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Speaker 2: That's heavyweight Tyson Fury in these mythical matchups. I mean,

505
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Speaker 2: you know, it's not just leaning again on the size,

506
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Speaker 2: the skill and now and now the establishment of legit

507
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: heavyweight knockout power. It's that other intangible. He's a fighting man.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what him and his wild crazy gypsy John Fury

509
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Speaker 1: Dad says are true. Tyson Fury rising up like the

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Speaker 1: Undertaker in the first Wild They're fighting round twelve, Tyson

511
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Speaker 1: Fury even coming back from that four year bender, Tyson Fury,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting up from two knockdowns in round four

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Speaker 1: against Wilder just last year in their trilogy bout. He

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Speaker 1: has the salt, He has the bait and tackle down there.

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Speaker 1: He has the balls, the backbone, the chin. You know,

516
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Speaker 1: this is not your boy BC making a hipster argument

517
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Speaker 1: that maybe we're watching the greatest heavyweight of all time.

518
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Speaker 2: It's not. It's not me saying that.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, open up your eyes to what we do

520
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: have a guy that's getting increasingly harder to keep out

521
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Speaker 1: of these larger discussions because again, of that mental mythical

522
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Speaker 1: matchup of what are these guys? Even the great Lennox

523
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Speaker 1: lewis arguably the first true super heavyweight of the new

524
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Speaker 1: era at six foot five who can box and punch,

525
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Speaker 1: and he only had two defeats and he avenged both

526
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Speaker 1: by knockout wins. Like you know, even that guy, what's

527
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Speaker 1: what's he gonna do with Tyson Fury?

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Speaker 2: Never seen We've never seen a guy like this, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's it's It's like, forget six foot eight Lebron James.

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Speaker 1: We're starting to see NBA players who are at seven

531
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Speaker 1: to three and can handle and shoot threes Like.

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Speaker 2: Those are guys in the past. They never seen anything

533
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Speaker 2: like this.

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Speaker 1: Tysian Fury is as special an athlete when you take

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Speaker 1: into account his personal story, in his gregarious charm and

536
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Speaker 1: the singing as this sport has ever seen, and this

537
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: sport of boxing has seen a lot of wild and

538
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: wacky shit. You know a lot of superstars, a lot

539
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Speaker 1: of people who when they are the heavyweight champion now

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Speaker 1: granted in different eras when the sport of boxing was

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Speaker 1: considered on a worldwide basis, and specifically in the States,

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00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: as you know, a sport of kings as a at

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Speaker 1: no worse the third biggest sport behind you know, baseball

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Speaker 1: and horse racing, and at times at times when it's

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Speaker 1: Joe Louis versus Max Smelling two and half of the

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Speaker 1: world is sitting by a radio charon, you know, for

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Speaker 1: their side of the of the war to win this

548
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Speaker 1: boxing match. There's times when boxing takes over the front

549
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Speaker 1: page stories, not just sports, but of life, of culture,

550
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Speaker 1: of news, and I'm not sure we've had it as

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Speaker 1: unique a character of what we're seeing right now in

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Speaker 1: Tyson Fury. Does he beat Anthony Joshua or Alexander Usik

553
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Speaker 1: with the same level of ease that he's seemingly doing

554
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Speaker 1: outside of the Wilder trilogy, which look Jonty Wilder's punching

555
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Speaker 1: power is gonna be a nightmare for everyone in history.

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Speaker 1: Whether you beat him or not, I don't know. I

557
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Speaker 1: would favor him. I would love to see him against

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Speaker 1: a boxer like Usik who's six ' three, doesn't have

559
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Speaker 1: big power, but certainly can can can be quick and

560
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: come up with a game plan and just out chess you.

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Speaker 1: And just like we'd love to see him against a

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Speaker 1: reformed Anthony Joshua who brings big power, brings.

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Speaker 2: The big star value.

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Speaker 1: I mean, could you know if they did, if they

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Speaker 1: did ninety four thousand tickets for this right, I always said,

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Speaker 1: if you did eighty thousand tickets, which they did for

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Speaker 1: Carl Frotch and George Groves. No disrespect to Saint George Groves.

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Speaker 1: He's not a household name outside of the UK. You're

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Speaker 1: doing eighty k for that, You did ninety four k

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Speaker 1: for this? Could you do three hundred k if you

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Speaker 1: find a cornfield big enough you probably could. Fury versus

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Speaker 1: Joshua would be the biggest fight, and Fury would be favored.

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Speaker 2: Against any of these guys.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I get so fired up on the well, well,

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Speaker 1: he did say he was retiring.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, do you know what else tishen Fury said?

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Speaker 2: Go watch his interviews.

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Speaker 1: Okay, on the right day he says he remember that

579
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Speaker 1: time ahead of the second wild their fight, he said,

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Speaker 1: I masturbate seven times a day. That's my secret. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he says bullshit. But the thing that's not bullshit at

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Speaker 1: all is UH is him, is his viability, is him

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Speaker 1: being the heavyweight of this era, is him being an

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Speaker 1: absolute legitimate pound for pound fighter. I think I had

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Speaker 1: him with ranked fifth coming in and it's in. You say, okay,

586
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: what does that really mean? Here? The pump for pound

587
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: list and theory was created to have a way to

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Speaker 1: register and rank anyone who wasn't a heavyweight, because in

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Speaker 1: a mythical matchup Sugary Robinson at the peak of his

590
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Speaker 1: career as a walterweight to middleweight, he's not gonna get

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Speaker 1: in there against Joe Lewis and win. So we need

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Speaker 1: a pump for poundlist to try to compare. And because

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Speaker 1: of that, heavyweights rarely make this list because the mythical

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Speaker 1: idea is if they were you know, if Tyson Fury

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Speaker 1: matches up with uh, you know, Terence Crawford in the

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00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: same division and they have the same advantages that they

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Speaker 1: have over their respected divisions.

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Speaker 2: Against one another.

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Speaker 1: That's why you have Terrence Crawford and Narrel Spence rinked

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Speaker 1: above a guy like Tyson Fury because they're much more skilled.

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Speaker 1: But Fury's making this argument not as easy as it

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Speaker 1: used to be because he's so damn skilled. Something special

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00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: going on here. Wow, there's thirty minutes of thunder from

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Speaker 1: you from your boy BC. If you've got questions, you

605
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: can drop them into the comments. We may be able

606
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Speaker 1: to hit up a few and hit it here. But

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Speaker 1: I'm still blown away. I'm still blown away. That he

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Speaker 1: can one punch someone like that that Tyson Fury at

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00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: six to nine, never known as a puncher, can do that.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that to Dillion Way you can Alexander

611
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Povekim one punched him. Dyllion White went twelve and one

612
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: on this thirteen fight stretch since his twenty fifteen loss

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00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: to Anthony Joshua where he hurt Joshua big time and then.

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00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: Rallies back.

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Speaker 1: You know, Joshua rallies back and finishes him. White speed

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Speaker 1: all the guys you have to beat to get to

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Speaker 1: this point, and Fury made it look that freaking easy.

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Speaker 1: Do we have a We don't have a comparison to this, right,

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Speaker 1: We've never seen this before.

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Speaker 2: So Tyson, if you're listening, don't go away.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you want to make that make

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Speaker 1: that money player against franstan Gano if you have to do.

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Speaker 2: I care about that fight, not at all.

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Speaker 1: There are some weird you know, hybrid mma versus boxing matches.

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Speaker 1: Then maybe you know you had Jake Paul in the

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Speaker 1: midst of that. I mean, like, look tomorrow, if they

627
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Speaker 1: make Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, are you gonna care?

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Speaker 2: I don't care what you say up front, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: care on the back end. You're gonna be there watching it. Right.

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Speaker 2: This ain't that okay? Would I have a little bit

631
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Speaker 2: of care? Okay?

632
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Speaker 1: But Tyson, you want to make your money in that

633
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Speaker 1: against Franstan God, that's fine. But when that all gets

634
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Speaker 1: sorted out between Usik and Joshua, you're gonna be there.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: That is the biggest fight you can make in the sport,

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Speaker 1: even if Floyd and Manning came back at their age

638
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Speaker 1: now for a second meeting, even with Spence Crawford, the

639
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: welterweight undisputed championship between two unbeatens that history has demanded

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00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and that this generation deserves. Tyson Fury versus the winner

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00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: of Fury USIC two is bigger and that is where

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Speaker 1: we're at. Our great producer, Mikey Mormile on the ones

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Speaker 1: and twos, Do we have any questions to throw up

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Speaker 1: here to get the people involved? Or am I just

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Speaker 1: hitting you with thirty incredible minutes of let's go from

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Speaker 1: Jesse here BC. Why didn't the promoter stack this card

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Speaker 1: with their high level boxers. I struggle to understand why

648
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Speaker 1: they put a bunch of.

649
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: The It was mediocre. It was it was shit. This

650
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: on this pay per view under card was absolute shit.

651
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: And it's not that that hasn't happened in recent years,

652
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: not that that hasn't happened in every network in recent years.

653
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Even sometimes you can argue that the UFC, when they

654
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: have an absolute hammer in the main event commercially like

655
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: Econo McGregor, yes, they tend to not load up the undercard,

656
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: keep that overall value of the prices down. Look, Sisian

657
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: Fury is getting paid, you know, twenty eight million, whatever

658
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: it was. You know, Dillian White's getting paid a career

659
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: high seven and a half million. The winner got the

660
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: four million extra bonus. It is hard with those type

661
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: of purses. That's maybe why most of even Floyd Mayweather's

662
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: pay per views, with the exception of the Canelo one

663
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: when he had Danny Garcia and Lucas Matissa and the Colemaine,

664
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, never never had a killer undercard.

665
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: It is hard. This one was as shitta as possible. Okay, Yeah,

666
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: we had.

667
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Tommy Fury, Tyson's younger brother, struggling to a victory by

668
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: decision and really not looking all that good, you know,

669
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: in any type of idea if he ever fights Jake

670
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Paul again, I don't really care. But the undercard blew.

671
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: You had to know that coming in. But either way,

672
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: the atmosphere, that ring walk from Tyson, with the songs

673
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: weaving in and out of each other, and the big screen,

674
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean.

675
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: It was special.

676
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: And whether you're Luke Thomas and you want to throw

677
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: up every time the Brits sing Sweet Caroline or not,

678
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: that main event, the spectacle of it, it was worth it.

679
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: In the end.

680
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the fans here one more time,

681
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: we can Mikey from Alexander. Given White's performance there, is

682
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: it fair to say that Wilder is now the favorite

683
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: in any potential matchup between himself and both Dillion White

684
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and Anthony Joshua.

685
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: That is a great debate and one that you know,

686
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: even my.

687
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Brethren at CBS Sports were debating while this fight was

688
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: going on, the whole idea of you know, did Dillion

689
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: White disappoint in this fight with Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely

690
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: Dillion White disappointed.

691
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: I told you, Dillion what was probably gonna.

692
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: Maybe knock Fury down in a route to getting stopped

693
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: late and losing. But you look like that because it's

694
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury. It's six foot nine with that speed and power.

695
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: How would Dillion White look against those two?

696
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: I think he look great. He's thirty four years old.

697
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: He has he been through you know, has been.

698
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: Knocked out if he absolutely been knocked out what three

699
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: times now, including once you know by Pavekan Cold including

700
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: this one violent. But I think he gets inside on

701
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder. We don't know if wild there's even coming back.

702
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: I tend to believe Wilder eventually comes back at least

703
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: once for big money. Maybe once we do crown an

704
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: undisputed king. Could Wilder be a perfect, you.

705
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Know opponent coming off a long layoff.

706
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely wild demanded up knocking Dillion White out because White

707
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: is so aggressive and getting inside. But against Wilder, Dillion

708
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: White will get inside in ways he was unable to

709
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: do against Fury, because where are you going to find

710
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: an alien who has that quickness, length and you know,

711
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: and everything. The understanding of how to maul the maul

712
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: or as I mentioned earlier, Anthony Joshua was a little

713
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: bit interesting, right because their first fight was back in

714
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen before Joshua became the champion. When he knocked

715
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: out Charles Martin, and like I said, they were amateur rivals.

716
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: A lot of trash talk there, and Joshua got hurt early,

717
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: which which happened a lot on his rise and it

718
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: still happens today, and he rallied back from that. A

719
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: rematch between Anthony Joshua and Dillion White under any circumstances,

720
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: titles or not, both coming off a loss or not,

721
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: I still think at this point is a I don't

722
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: want to say pick them, because I think you have

723
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: to favor.

724
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua for a bunch of reasons. But that's a

725
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: tough fight.

726
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Dillion Wedsey again getting in side on Anthony Joshua even

727
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: though though Joshua sixty six, you can get inside on him,

728
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: you can pressure him, and Dillian White, wha I think

729
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: would take that chance of getting ko like he did

730
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: in their first meeting.

731
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: To do that.

732
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: I believe we got one more question from the people

733
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: that are watching live. Of course you can check this

734
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: after the fact, and that comes from the Whodo man, Wow, who.

735
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: Do where do you went for fury? All time you

736
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: heard me debate.

737
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: That debate the idea of that. At least I think

738
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: he's top ten. Yes, and you have to understand how

739
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: many great heavyweight champions of all time are not in

740
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: the top ten because you can only have ten. So

741
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, who you know, I don't have a

742
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: working top ten per se, but I've considered Joe Louis

743
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: to be the greatest heavyweight champion of all time, and

744
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: people either consider typically typically Lewis or Muhammad Ali. The

745
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: defense for Lewis, of course, is that is the records,

746
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: the amount of title defense, is the length of his

747
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: title run, eleven plus years straight as champion.

748
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: You know, the did he do? Is there a bum

749
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: of the month club element?

750
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: And there well to a yes, Joe Lewis didn't fight

751
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: in the craziest era of all time by any means,

752
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: And yes, back then guys were busier. Guys fought cans

753
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: in between. Joe Louis handled his business.

754
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: Ali could be you could do it, seriously.

755
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: Ali could be your number one p poffer of all

756
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: time and no one's gonna argue you, right like people

757
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: will say sugar Ate Robinson, you know, Roberto Durant, Joe Gans,

758
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, there's so many, There's so many, Henry Armstrong,

759
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: there's so many. Of course, from one hundred years ago

760
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: that are in this discussion. But no one's gonna gonna

761
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: kick you out of the room for saying Ali. So

762
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: if they're one and two, you know, in the three, four, five, six,

763
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: seven area, I think you have to have Lennox Lewis,

764
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: you have to have Jack Johnson, George Foreman. You could

765
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: put Joe Fraser in there, although sometimes you know, Joe

766
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Fraser ends up somehow being overrated and underrated at the

767
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: same time, he lost more than he won against the

768
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: very best, but obviously it was an all time great.

769
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: And then you know, you've got the Klitschko brothers, who

770
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: have always been sort of at the back end of

771
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: the top ten or not in at all. You've got

772
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: the the Jack Dempsey's who has to figure into this

773
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: top five right or six. You've got Gene Toney, who

774
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: beat Jack Dempsey twice. I mean, you've got a great

775
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: lineage in history here. I'll tell you this though, Tyson

776
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Furry belongs in that group. He's never lost, He's taken

777
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: on tough challenges, he's won in different ways. I mean,

778
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's the biggest sin that happened in heavyweight

779
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: boxing in a long time. Is when Fury did what

780
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: he did, d Vladimir Klitchko, you had a large group

781
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: of media of fans dismissing it because they didn't they

782
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: weren't entertained. You heard a lot of the ESPN's Dan Rayphiel,

783
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: long time colleague of mine, love you, Dan, but I

784
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: got back. I got on you back then, I'll get

785
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: on you again today, you know, saying this fight wasn't

786
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: a good fight, and Fury just fought worse than clitch Goo.

787
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: Fury went in there as.

788
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: A massive underdog and completely rewired clitch Goo and short

789
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: circuited him and really not only made him miss constantly,

790
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: and it was a clinic on him not get hit,

791
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: but was putting it on him. So I think we're

792
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: to a level where I think, except for that late

793
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: rally in the second half of the twelfth round, I

794
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: think Vladimir Kuschko was having flashbacks to the Corey Sanders

795
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: fights and the Layman Brewster fights in which he got stopped.

796
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he realized, like, I don't want

797
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: to pay this price because this guy might not be

798
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: a power puncher, but he knows how to find my

799
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: chin consistently.

800
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: That's an all time great win.

801
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: Klitschkow had been on top for you know, almost as

802
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: long as Joe Lewis, he was piling up title defenses.

803
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: That win is is you know, that's that still might

804
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: be his best win. This performance against Stellian White may

805
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: be the best Tyson Fury we've ever seen. Dominant in

806
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: different ways, but that win over Klitschko is going to

807
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: be hard to top. And you know, for whatever he lacks,

808
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: as I said, in the totality of those elite wins.

809
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Those elite wins are great. You know, they're really good.

810
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean he's three and oh against

811
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: the Deontay Wilder at a time when you know, not

812
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: everyone trying to fight Deontay Wilder.

813
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: I know Deontay Wilder's limited and he made a lot

814
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: of excuses in the second fight.

815
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: But you know, if Deontay Wilder fought you know, Joshua White,

816
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: all those guys in succession even now, he's gonna win.

817
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: A few of those by knockout, because that's how dangerous

818
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: he is.

819
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: What's gonna hold Fury back in the larger point of

820
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: this discussion again is the lack of overall total resume,

821
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: which was caused by that four year break. It was

822
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: caused by the soft matchmaking at times that he had

823
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: when he needed to just get back in shape after

824
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: that break and fighting the Tom schwartz Is or whatever

825
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: the hell that guy's name was, Surf and Safari the

826
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: other dude.

827
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he.

828
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: Fought a few of those, like yeh guys, but he

829
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: shows up for the big events and he wins them.

830
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: And if Tyson Fury keeps fighting, and if he becomes

831
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: the first four belt undisputed champion in this renaissance heavyweight era,

832
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: and you know, we already know what he's doing commercially

833
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: as a monster star. We already know what he's doing

834
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: affecting people and culture.

835
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe he's not Muhammad Ali level of affecting people

836
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: in culture, but you know, the mental health stuff all that.

837
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's love him or hate him. He gets

838
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: you at a care I.

839
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: If he wins that one, oh he's top ten, you

840
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: know he's he might be, he might be.

841
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Is he top five?

842
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's in one hand, it's it's hard. You know,

843
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: it goes to the eye of the beholder, obviously, but

844
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: in one hand, it's like sacrilege compared to some of

845
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: those names I mentioned, especially like, you know, how do

846
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: you discount in Evander Holyfield, who, yeah, he lost a lot,

847
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: but dude, that guy just kept you know, retooling as

848
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: a small heavyweight in the beginning of the super heavyweight

849
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: era and kept finding dramatic ways to come.

850
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: Back and win.

851
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: You know, how do you compare him Tyson Fury with

852
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: a Jack Dempsey? How do you compare him with guys

853
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: who again maybe they weren't in the greatest heavyweight era

854
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: and just you know, spoiler alert here, there's basically.

855
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Two good heavyweight eras all time.

856
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing people always forget, either with whether you're

857
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: debating if Joe Lewis or Rocky Marciano or even Vladimir

858
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Klitschko should be overrated or underrated. The thing we always

859
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: forget is that there's never really been a consistent large.

860
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: Pool of great fighters in this division.

861
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: You get a lot of big guys, right, you know,

862
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: you get a lot of field athletes and other sports

863
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: like Wilder who come over last.

864
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: Minute age nineteen and picked the sport up.

865
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: But the nineteen seventies were ridiculous in terms of depth

866
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: for heavyweight champions and contenders and Obviously the nineteen nineties

867
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: were you could argue that the I mean, look, the

868
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: nineties were so deep that you can argue it's even

869
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: better than the seventies. And the seventies had the second

870
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: half of Ali's career, had Joe Fraser, had George Foreman,

871
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: had Ken.

872
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: Norton, right, I mean, they had you know, Ernie Shavers.

873
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: It had like a.

874
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Not only a historic group, but some of the biggest

875
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: fights in this sports history. Rumble in the Jungle, Thriller

876
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: in Manila, the fight, the first Ali Fraser fight at

877
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. But the nineties had you know, it

878
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: was a multi belt era, but it had multi deserving

879
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: all time great fighters. It had Post Jail, Mike Tyson,

880
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, well pre at first and then post it

881
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: had you know, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, second half of

882
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: George Foreman's career, Michael Moore, Ray Mercer, you know, the

883
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: the clitch goes coming on at the end of the decade.

884
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: A bunch of second rate killers that could be champions today,

885
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: but we're just fodder back then. You do have to

886
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: remember that when you are trying to compare Fury to

887
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: those guys, because those guys fought a long time ago,

888
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: whether you fought in the forties, fifties, whatever, you tend

889
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: to just oh, they were probably that boxing was great then,

890
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: so they probably fought nothing but haller famers.

891
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: But that's just not the truth. In the history of

892
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: heavyweight fights, and even in MMA.

893
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Right, the UFC's heavyweight division has long been the most

894
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: maligned and sort of you know, up and down, and

895
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: anyone can win any time, but nobody puts together long rains.

896
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: So if Fury's biggest obstacle in being truly labeled in

897
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: all time great is the lack of top tier, elite wins,

898
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: he isn't one of the better eras though, and I

899
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: say better with that little asterisk on it, because, like

900
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying Fury, Joshua Wilder, Luis Ortiz, Anthony.

901
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: Andy Ruiz, Dylian Way.

902
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying these guys are better than that group

903
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: in the seventies or nineties. I'm not saying that we

904
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: have more than even one fighter who compares with.

905
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: The best heavyweights of the fifties or the sixties or whatever.

906
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: But I am saying that we have this is a

907
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: special era, not just because it came on the heels

908
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: of that awful clitch Goo era from.

909
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: Four to twenty fifteen.

910
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: Again, I don't blame the clitch Goes, but they mopped

911
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: up in the shittiest era in heavyweight history, the legitimate

912
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: worst era in heavyweight history. And uh, you know, these

913
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: new guys kick started our love because of their size,

914
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: because of their charisma, their vulnerabilities, and their willingness again

915
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: to fight one another.

916
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: And sometimes that got hard.

917
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: You know, while they're in Joshua should have already fought

918
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: each other, you know what, both were unbeaten to unified

919
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: belts and it didn't happen. But I think heavyweight championship fights,

920
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: including with promoters and networks across the street quote unquote

921
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: from each other, I think it's easier to close that

922
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: gap and make these super fights in heavyweight than any

923
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: other division because heavyweight demands so much money. This is

924
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: a monstrous commercial era for the heavyweight boxing division. From

925
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: what Anthony, Joshua and Fury are doing over there in

926
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: the UK, you know, to what Wilder did and is

927
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: doing in all these other players that you need to

928
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: make interesting fights. So I do wonder, when it's all

929
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: said and done, will this era because of what I

930
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: mentioned before, which is the lack of consistently great heavyweight

931
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: eras across the board. Will this era, the twenty tens,

932
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: this renaissance era end up being like almost overrated or

933
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: appreciated and loved like a fine wine because the sport

934
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: was back again commercially so much, I do wonder and

935
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: if that happens, it's gonna make Fury's resume look even better.

936
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you this, for as vulnerable as Anthony

937
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Joshua is, and he is, we've seen him now lose twice, right,

938
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: we've seen him get hurt and a lot of his

939
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: biggest wins. And that's, by the way, that vulnerability, Like

940
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: I don't look at that as a negative, Like it's

941
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: exciting his crap to watch him, because he's either gonna

942
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: get or got got right if he comes back and

943
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: let's say, knocks out USA to regain the champion.

944
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you're.

945
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: Starting to have for Anthony Joshua a career like what

946
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: made as I said earlier, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield's career.

947
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: Is so great.

948
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: You know, the ability to take big losses in big fights,

949
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: but make sure that you're fighting everyone in your era,

950
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: and you know, Joshua hasn't done that yet, hasn't a

951
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: fuf fear, he haven't fought wild there.

952
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: But the whole point is, you know, trying to clean

953
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: out your era.

954
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe you had a few l's or a couple

955
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: of you know, missteps, but you always came back and endured.

956
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: If joshua'ld be dusick in the second fight, it's going

957
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: to do a lot for how we think of him

958
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: historically because he came back and regained his titles against

959
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: the Ruez and it's not easy to do. It's really

960
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: not easy to do. So you take that, you mix

961
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: with the history. Alexander Usik is starting.

962
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: To make this air is fun, It's it's special. Is

963
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: it gonna be great? I don't know. I don't know.

964
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: You know, how does it get great?

965
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: You need What both the seventies and nineties had is

966
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: not only the deep group, but the willingness of that

967
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: deep group to consistently fight one another. You know, I mean,

968
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: what heavyweight fights did we not get in the nineties

969
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: outside of outside of Bo versus Lewis because bo avoided it,

970
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: and then the Bow versus Tyson thing never happened, as

971
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: the Tyson versus Foreman thing never happened, But there's reasons

972
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: why they never ended up crossing pass. It's like you

973
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: almost got everything you ever wanted. If we end up

974
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: with everything we ever wanted in this era, and it's

975
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: gonna take not only Fury fighting for the four belts,

976
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: but again, it's gonna take while they're coming back and

977
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: fighting Joshua under any circumstance. It's gonna take uh Sik

978
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: fighting all these guys that happens. It's gonna raise the

979
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: rent of the twenty tens, of the heavyweights. And if

980
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury is the last guy standing, and particularly if

981
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: he goes the distance undefeated, try try to.

982
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Keep him out of the top five all time. Seriously,

983
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: try to recency bias included. Try to right. It's interesting,

984
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: it's fun. At the end of the day, it.

985
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if I'm right ram a buffoon and you're

986
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: at home going I know so much more than this,

987
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: this this dip wat I should be sitting in that seat.

988
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: The fact that we're having.

989
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: These discussions, like you don't realize how fun this is.

990
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Were you guys awake between two thousand and four, twenty fifteen.

991
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: When Soul Tommy brought them off, God bless his soul

992
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: and Ruslan Chikaiev and you know, uh, who's the other guy?

993
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, who was that other guy? There was

994
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: a bunch Sir Heleyakovic. Okay, they Covich versus Lame and

995
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: Brewster a Ball's bonanza. Outside of that, those fights sucked.

996
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Those fighters weren't historically relevant. That was that was not fun.

997
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: Okay. Heavyweight boxing was not cared about.

998
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: You could even back then you could eat sometimes you

999
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: couldn't even get it on TV like HBO at times

1000
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: was like, sorry, Vladimericaic, we might not want to put

1001
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: your fight on TV this time. You know you're not

1002
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: getting those rings. Nobody cared. We don't have to care about.

1003
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to debate about. It's gonna make barber

1004
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: shops fun. It's gonna make the water cooler fun. It's

1005
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna make you sitting in your car or wherever you

1006
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: are listening or watching me. It's gonna make this discussion

1007
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: fun again. That's because of what we have, and that's

1008
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: because the Tyson Fury has the face of what we have.

1009
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the perfect button to put on it

1010
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: in come full circle here as I preach to you

1011
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: why heavyweight boxing's back, while the sport of boxing is

1012
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: so fun again after that great calendar year last year

1013
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: and the fun that we're having to kick things off,

1014
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: we have options again, right, we have options again, you

1015
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: know boxing, As lawyer Merchant once famously said, you know

1016
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: you can't save it, but you can't kill it.

1017
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: It is a recurring you know, in its back. Heavyweight's back,

1018
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: and I love it. I love it.

1019
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: My name is Brian Campbell. I have approved this instant

1020
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,319
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1021
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1022
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: this wackiness. My co host Luke Thomas, if you like

1023
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1024
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1026
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1027
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: We got a lot more coming your way in combat

1028
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: sports and beyond. I gotta go towel off, right, I

1029
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: gotta go, you know, smoke a proverbial cigarette.

1030
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury knocks out Dillion White with one punch in

1031
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Speaker 2: round six. What a time to be alive. BC Okay

1032
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Speaker 2: signing off