1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: If you want Colts talk all year long, you're in 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: the right place. This is the Official Colts Podcast, giving 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: you an updated look at what's new with the horse Shoes. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: He's got it touchdown, Jack Coyle, and it's gonna be 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: brought down inside the fifteen and it's gonna go to 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: the Forest Buckner. He's at the Dirty He's gonna go 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: ten touchdown. Jot the Taylor from the Power Home Solar Studio. 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: Let's get the podcast started. Hello again, everyone, and welcome 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: to the Colts Official Podcast. My name is Jeffrey Gorman. 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: We have presented you by our friends at winn Bet, 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: the official sports pick of your Indianapolis Colts. JJ stankovits 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: always here, Lara Overton, happier than a pig and slot 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: that you are here because I know you're still feisty. 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: You had to sit through a weekend of watching wildcard 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: playoff games without your Colts in it, so I know 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: your salty. We gotta bring great show. By the way, 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: coming up, we're going to dance around a few of 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the offseason things that happened with each franchise, specifically ours 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. But the Great Jeff Saturday him of 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, Fame, and of course on ESPN covering 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: the game of the NFL. He will join us soon enough. 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: But Lara, how have you been this past weekend? I 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: know you're still salty. I know, tug Boat your your 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: trusted friend, tug they all two hundred pound big bull mastiff. 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: He's been comforting you. How have you been this past weekend? Well, 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: I was good. I went back to Louisville, spent some 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: time with the family, and then got home on Saturday. 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: Back to Indian time for you know, all of the 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Saturday slate of games, and I as I you know, Tucker, 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I think is already ready for me to come back 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: to ORC on the weekends, because we were talking about 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: our plans for Sunday and I was like, I'm gonna 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: be right here on this couch. It's watching every single 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: one his games. He's like, that's fully what I expected. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to ail emporium. I'm getting 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: the Hermanaki wings, Like this is where I will be. 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Maybe you can find me with a couple of beverages 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: and whatnot. So we're like, no, I'm gonna say midway 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: through the second game on Sunday, and I mean, guys, 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: I am like expletive laden conversation left and right, and 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: he right right exactly and he looks over at me 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: and he goes, is your pirate ship parked out front 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: or what? Like? It is just I mean just all 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: over the place. I mean everything you could think of. 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, just left and right. So it's not going well, guys, 46 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: it's really not going well. I've frightened my husband, I've 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: frightened the dog a way too many Hermanokis, I'm so 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: That's that's where I am. But you know what, that's 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: the accepting it right now. That's where we are, you know, 50 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: So who knows? I may not make it to championship 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: weekends y'all the way things are going right that we 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: need ye, JJ, have you been staying afloat JJ stank Evince. Yeah, 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: I have been, Jeffrey, and I've realized over the course 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: of the last couple of months, the Eastern time zone 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: in which we live, it's awful. I don't sleep at all. 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Like I I stayed up for, you know, the the 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: end of the Bills Patriots game on Saturday, because I 58 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: was just so like I love a good competitive why 59 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: back and forth? Why you could have gone to sleep? 60 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: You know what I love? Apparently apparently the Patriots went 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: to sleep, so you could have as well. You know. 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: You know what I love Lara is a good beat 63 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: him down type game where you're just like, oh man, 64 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: they are they are getting it the Bills. I wanted 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: to watch that whole freaking game to see them essentially 66 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: throw like a perfect game. Um. And then the next 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: morning at seven o'clock, there are my kids that guy 68 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: got Gatgata got in bed, like you know, they're awake 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: and they didn't realize that Daddy was up until midnight 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: watching football. Like so I I just don't sleep during 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs, even like I couldn't even I turned off 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers Chiefs game with like five minutes to go 73 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: in the game, Like what is wrong with me? That 74 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: was the game I should have turned off like that, 75 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: just like a like that game wasn't you know whatever? 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: You gotta strategy. Accordingly, I did a pelt. I did 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: a peloton ride during the second half of the Eagles 78 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Bucks because I was like, ah, all right, I'm just 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: gonna So I had had the game set up on 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: the laptop just in case there was anything I wanted 81 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: to check in on, but then I was like on 82 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: the bike, So that was that was how I strate. 83 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. Here's the thing. We all 84 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: should live in mountain time, like Indianapolis should be relocated 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: in time. Like there's a little strip coming across Colorado 86 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: to Kansas, through Missouri into Illinois, into Indiana and then 87 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: bubbling around Indianapolis. So we are on mountain time because 88 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: that is the right senator to watch sports. Yes, right, 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: your senator, JJ, you've you've forgotten a a. I don't 90 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: know where you learned this in Chicago, but it's always 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: football first then family. Well, I mean, you know, when 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: it's your job, you gotta pick between the two. Um, 93 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: I love it, man, No great football. I agree with 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: you guys. Some beat downs. But obviously this division round 95 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: is coming up. We're gonna bounce around the NFL playoffs 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: coming up with jeff Saturday of ESPN fame, obviously since 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: he tends to see we're all, you know, curious on 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: that matchup San Francisco, Green Bay, the Rams at Tampa 99 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Bay and Buffalo at the Chief. We're still doing Dampa Bay, Jeffrey. 100 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: We're still doing to I just kind of threw it 101 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: at him. The guys they also call it Champa Bay 102 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: now because of the champions that they have been. They 103 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: just have all sorts of obnoxious moniker so that they 104 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: can playoff at Tom Brady on top of everything and 105 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. So yeah, we will surf around the NFL playoffs. 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: But guys are a little bit closer to home. If 107 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: you're opening up your Internet or reading on the tweeter 108 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: or the Instagram or the ESPN dot com or Yahoo 109 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, you'll see some colts news, not 110 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: so much player colts news, but owner for instance. Let's 111 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: let's go over that before we talk about some offseason 112 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: stuff going on within the coaching ranks. Your first thought 113 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: when you saw Jim Ursey's video the other night, it 114 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: looked like he was in Arizona in front of his airplane. 115 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: He's talking about, Hey, we are going to be held accountable. 116 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: We are going to do everything in our waking hours 117 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: of the offseason to get back to the championship level 118 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: that Jim Ursy and family demands. What did you guys 119 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: make of mister Ursay's video when you saw it? Well, 120 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that mister Say has 121 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: established himself as one of the most beloved owners in 122 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: this sport, certainly by fans and also within his locker 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: room and within his coaching staff in his front office. 124 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Is his passion and he is so vocal, and he is, 125 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, so candid with expressing how much he loves 126 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: this team and how much he wants to see success 127 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: for this team and for this community in general. So 128 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: I think that you want to see that it's that 129 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: level of consistency, you know, those highs of highs where 130 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: he sees him celebrating with his team. I think that 131 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: was after the San Francisco game when he's leading the 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: we will rock you chant, Like you also want to 133 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: see what's his level of fieriness when you have the 134 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: opposite outcome, when you do have things not finish out 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: the season the way that you want. I thought that 136 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: that was just it was so awesome to see that 137 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: the owner is that willing to bring people in to 138 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: his very candid, you know, emotions and you know, his 139 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: candid command I would say, of the expectation of what 140 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: there is moving forward. So I loved it. I think 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: that across the NFL people have loved. One of the 142 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: things from Hard Knocks is getting to see a different 143 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: side even of mister Ersay, and you know what he 144 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: shares on social media and all of those things. So 145 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I loved hearing it just so clearly from him in 146 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: terms of where the expectation is. Because we knew that 147 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: there was that lengthy closed door meeting Sunday night here 148 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: at West fifty sixth Street between mister Ersay and Chris 149 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: and Frank about the close of the season, and everyone 150 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: was curious, you know, everyone wanted to peek into what 151 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: that conversation was, and I think that that was the 152 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: best way to do it, was to have the owner 153 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: come out and say and just very clearly lay out 154 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: what the expectations are moving forward, and what the expectations 155 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: are of every single person who walks into this building 156 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: to start building a new going into the twenty twenty 157 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: two regular season. Every person, JJ, Lara and I have 158 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: been around here a minute, so I think mister Hersey 159 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: may have been speaking directly to you Stank about Oh no, hey, Jeffrey, listen, 160 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: I am not in a place where I can yet 161 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: joke about that. I got laid off nearly one year 162 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: ago to the day. Wow January twenty First, I got 163 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: laid off by my old job at NBC Supports Chicago 164 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: because NBC likes laying people off. And all right, all right, 165 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: I can't joke, can't joke about can't joke about it yet. 166 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: But you know what, Jeffrey, I really like about that. 167 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: That video came out what four or five days after 168 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: the season ended, right, and you can tell this isn't 169 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: this isn't performative, this isn't doing it to appease anyone, 170 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: but the organization and their goal of winning like it 171 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: was so it was so direct and forceful. And the 172 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: other impression I got, Jeffrey is that mister r Say 173 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: is on the tarmac in you know, he said it 174 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: was Phoenix or whatever wherever it was. I kind of 175 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: got the impression he was like, why am I here? 176 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Why am I not getting ready to go to Kansas 177 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: City and Cincinnati or you know, Buffalo, Like like we 178 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: all were thinking, like I can't tell you how many 179 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: times I was sitting there this weekend watching those games 180 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: and thinking, I can't believe the Colts aren't in this 181 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: for sure for sure, same here Lara Overton JJ Stankovitz. 182 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm Jeffrey Gorman is the Colts official podcast. Jeff Saturday 183 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: will join us momentarily coming up offseason. There are going 184 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: to be a lot of new names, a lot of 185 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: new faces. It's the NFL after all. But the coaching 186 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: ranks we don't talk pretty much, you know. Primarily of 187 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot of is the coaching ranks. But this is 188 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: the time of year that people move and shake on 189 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: different staffs, and in our very own camp here, Ed Dodge, 190 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: assistant general manager Matt Eberflus, to name a few, are 191 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: getting some looks for other teams. Guys, get us up 192 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: to date on the coaching staff of the Colts and 193 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: what other franchises are knocking on their door. So let 194 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: me let me give you the rundown here. So the 195 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, by the time most people listen to this podcast, 196 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: I believe they'll have conducted interviews with all three Matt 197 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: Eberflus for their head coaching position, Ed Dodds, and Morocco 198 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Brown for their GM position. Dodds and Flus interviewed on Monday. 199 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: I believe Morocco Brown is interviewing on Tuesday. There's also 200 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: report out there that the Las Vegas Raiders are going 201 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: to put in a slip for Ed Dodds to interview 202 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: him for their GMT job. Ed Dodds goes back to 203 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: the days the Al Davis era in Oakland with that organization, 204 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, something to keep an eye on there. Mattiberflus 205 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: has also had an interview with the Jacksonville Jaguars, so 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: you know there is interest in what the Colts are doing. 207 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: And it's funny. I feel like I've been like the 208 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: prettiest girl at the dance this week because like every 209 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: single connection I've had in Chicago has reached out to me, 210 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: like come on the radio, come on the podcast. But 211 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: I've been all over the Chicago airwaves this week, and 212 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, this is this is kind of nice. 213 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: You know, I get to kind of go back home 214 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, it's because everyone wants 215 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: to know what's the deal with that Dodds, what's the 216 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: deal with Morocco Brown? And I keep telling everyone like, 217 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: You're not gonna find you know, two candidates who are 218 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: a whole lot better and who have a whole lot 219 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: you know better backgrounds and leadership styles and eyes for talent. 220 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Than Ed Dodds and Morocco Brown, Lara Miyan Rogue, Mike 221 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: Grow getting some Laroks. Tell me about Mike Grow and 222 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: who's who's snipping out to get him in camp. So 223 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: Mike Grow wide receivers coach of the Indianapolis Colts and 224 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: came in a few seasons ago at the desire of 225 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: Frank Reich to be the wide receivers coach because those 226 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: two had worked together previously in Philadelphia. So Grow came in. Gosh, 227 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think this would have been nineteen no 228 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: or twenty was his twenty twenty was his first year's 229 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers coach. So two seasons in as wide receivers coach, 230 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: he is I will tell you one of the most 231 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: likable guys in this building. That is a dynamic wide 232 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: receiver room, and he juggles it all very well. He's 233 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: been in a room that has endured certainly its share 234 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: of challenges, and he's been one of the guys who 235 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: really well handled you know, t Y coming back off 236 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: of that next surgery as he did Paris Campbell's injury situation. 237 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: He's really one of those who you can credit for 238 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: the development of a guy like an Ashton duel and 239 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: the impact that he was able to have this year. 240 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: Also you look to the impact he had on Desmond Patman. 241 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: If you go back to that win in Arizona and 242 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: Dez getting that touchdown, catch the way he comes over 243 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: onto the sideline and hugs then lifts up Mike Grow 244 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: is so telling in terms of the respect that Mike 245 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: Grow has of his plays. He's phenomenal. And one of 246 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: the things that when you're talking about all of these guys, 247 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, Dodds and Morocco and Flus, they're all guys 248 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: who were in the interview cycle last year as well, 249 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: so they're not going through this again. And one of 250 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: the things we know about Dodds is that he was 251 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: going to wait to get it right. He's been quoted 252 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: before is saying you only get one shot at this 253 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: to be a general manager in most situations. So he 254 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: was really going to be judicious in selecting which name 255 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: or which jobs he put his name in the hat 256 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: for how far he went in the interview process and 257 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: deciding where he goes. Morocco is a very strong candidate. 258 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: I think that those who have watched with the next pick, 259 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: you see the personality that he is, how he is 260 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: a wordsmith. There is no one I have been around 261 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: who can describe things like Morocco brown Can and then 262 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Flus too. He interviewed last year. I believe it was 263 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: the Houston job, right, guys, he was he was up 264 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: for that head coaching role with Houston Texans, so he's 265 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: been familiar with that coach cycle and JJ. One of 266 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: the things that you and I bantered about is, obviously 267 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: when you have guys who are going through at least 268 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: their second cycle for these types of positions, both Chris 269 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: Ballard and Frank Reich have short lists of people that 270 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: they would target for those vacancies. So I'm really interested 271 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: to see, should any of those guys accept those positions, 272 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: if those positions would be filled internally, how much external 273 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: evaluation there will be. Because one thing worth noting in 274 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: regards to Matt Eberflus is he was actually already in 275 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: the decordinator position before Frank Reich came on board as 276 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the head coach by way of the situation with Josh 277 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: McDaniels and such. So you know, frank Reich has some 278 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: names in his desk drawer of people who he would 279 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: likely examine to put in that position should Flus get 280 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: a spot at a head coaching job, and man Flus 281 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: is deserving. I think he is certainly deserving of a 282 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: head coaching job. He's at that point in his career 283 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: where he's proven it on a lot of different levels, 284 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: and certainly would be thrilled for him, would miss him 285 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: immensely because he's an outstanding human being. But I think 286 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: all three of these guys are deserving of getting that 287 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: next shot to grow their careers. You know. So I 288 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: got asked a lot about Fluce when I went on 289 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, like ESPN one thousand of the score in Chicago, 290 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: of like, why would why would the Bears or any 291 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: team in the NFL want to hire a defensive coordinator 292 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: in today's NFL. And the thing that I said, I mean, 293 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: flu from a leadership standpoint, has got He's a really 294 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: good leader for the Colts. But something he is is flexible. 295 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: You know, you look at what the Colts did this year. 296 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: They started off the season playing a lot of zone. 297 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: That's what Maddie Berflus's defense has been, playing a lot 298 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: of zone. And as more and more, you know, games 299 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: piled up, the Colts started to switch and they played 300 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: a lot more man. They did some more stuff with 301 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: match coverages. And Maddie Berflus is not rigid in how 302 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: he views the game. He is intellectually curious and he 303 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: is flexible and malleable in how he goes approaching a 304 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: game plan. I think that makes a really good candidate 305 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: to be a head coach. Where you're not walking into 306 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: a building and saying, this is how we do things. 307 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: You have to conform to it. It's walking into a 308 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: building and saying, what do we have and how can 309 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: I conform to what we have and bring the best 310 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: out of our players. We've seen that time and time 311 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: again with the guys mad Aberflus has on that side 312 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: of the football. And you know, you look at some 313 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: of the defensive coaches who have been hired recently, like 314 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: a Mike Vrabel, who you know, and for my money, 315 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: should be the coach of the year this year in 316 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, even a guy like Brandon and 317 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Staley who had a you know, pretty successful season with 318 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: the Chargers up until obviously missing the playoffs. Just because 319 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: you're a defensive guy does not mean that you are 320 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: stuck in nineteen eighty and oh we have to, you know, 321 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: run the ball in three yards on a cloud of dust, 322 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: like you can have some progressive ideas. You can be 323 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: a CEO type head coach and run a really good 324 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: defense and that wins you a lot of games in 325 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. So I think, you know, like he said, Ler, 326 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: Mattie Befo's definitely deserving of these opportunities right now, and 327 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: now he's up to I believe it would be three, 328 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: you know total over the last two years head coaching interviews. Guys, 329 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: speaking of assistant coaches, We're probably gonna put this topic 330 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: to bed after this discussion. I mean not hopefully, but 331 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: I just don't know that we'll continue talking about hard knocks. 332 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: In this past season with the Colts, a couple of 333 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: the superstars of that series, in my opinion, was coach 334 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Baker on the defensive line and his family and Bubba Ventrone. 335 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: To take on this, I wanted your take on this 336 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: on hard knocks as a whole. It's over now. There's 337 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: no more cameras in the facility, they're not covering meetings anything. 338 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: What did you think of that experiment the first time 339 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: the Colts had did it, and especially for an NFL 340 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: team the first time to do it in season. Wow. 341 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a big I know, 342 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: it was a huge task. I mean from the NFL 343 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: film's perspective, from Colts perspective, from Colts pr perspective, churning 344 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: and burning those episodes out in the way that they 345 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: were getting those out so quickly. I think that it 346 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: was such an interesting insight into the organization and the personalities. 347 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: And I hate and this is something I just take 348 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: personally from someone who's lived in Indianapolis for more than 349 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: a decade, like being regarded as a small market team 350 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: is something that just like really frosts my cookie. It's okay. 351 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: And so I think that this helped establish you know, 352 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: being put on that national stage is something that I 353 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: think elevated the prominence of the Indianapolis goals and you know, 354 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: gets them I think a greater respect from the rest 355 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 1: of whether it's the NFL world or the rest of 356 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: you know, just kind of that that fan viewership audience world. 357 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: So I do think that they elevated themselves from that 358 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: respect of getting to see more into guys like Darius 359 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: and DeForest and Jonathan Taylor and Kenny and you know, 360 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: all of the day, different personalities that were featured, and Carson, 361 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, across across all of that. So I love 362 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: it for the way that it elevated the spotlight of 363 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: this organization. And you know, you got to see for 364 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: as much as this as this franchise talks about character 365 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: and all of those things, it was well demonstrated, and 366 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: I think that was something that was really fun. There 367 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: were incredible moments. The best thing for me were the 368 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: candid moments, you know, in the meeting rooms, on the sidelines, 369 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: those types of things that weren't just the sit down 370 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: type of interviews. So I love to have thought it was. 371 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: It was really fun. As someone who works in production 372 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: for you know, our organization, there were certainly times when 373 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: I was jealous, you know, of the amount of access 374 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, shoot, I wish you know, selfishly, 375 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: I wish we had that. I wish I was ours, 376 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: you know, But there was a lot of collaborating working 377 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: together in NFL Films did an outstanding job. And I 378 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: think for us, you know it from a someone working 379 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: in this building in a production role, it challenges us, 380 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: how do we give better? How how does this allow 381 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: us moving forward? Or I was moving forward to do 382 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: a better job of providing different access, new access, more access, 383 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: those type of things. So you can certainly believe there's 384 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: been a lot of brainstorming sessions on the inspiration that 385 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: we can take away from the spotlight that Hard Knocks provided. JJ, 386 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: what do you think? I, you know, couldn't agree more. 387 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: And the thing I liked about Hard Knocks and I 388 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: go back to the interview we did with Emily Leitner 389 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: before Hard Knocks debuted way back in October, and she 390 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: said that the difference in this season, like training Camp, 391 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: is a lot about who's going to make the team, 392 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: who's not going to make the team. This is you know, 393 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: we know who's on the team. This is more the 394 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: drama of the week to week and then taking it 395 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: inside the facility or players homes or coaches homes during 396 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: the week. I thought that was so well done, you know, 397 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: the every episode had this kind of crescendo build up 398 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: to the game, and the stuff in the game was 399 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: obviously very interesting, but I was in raptured by the 400 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: stuff that like they'll lead up to it, you know, 401 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: taking us inside the Wentz household before the birth of 402 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: their second daughter, after that Thursday night game, like you know, 403 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: and then you know, taking us into the Leonard household 404 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: where Darius is kind of he's getting treatment on his 405 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: foot and you know, taking care of his daughters like it. 406 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: It was so well done from the standpoint of giving 407 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: fans a look at who these players actually are and 408 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: that they're not just kind of faceless guys and helmets 409 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: on the field on you know, every Sunday, like you know. 410 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: The the most powerful moment of the season for me 411 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: was Kenny Moore go into the Garvey family on Thanksgiving 412 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: and that whole interaction where you know, Kenny's talking about 413 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: how important the Garveys are to him, and they're talking 414 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: about how important Kenny is to them, and like that 415 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: type of stuff. You know, we don't get to see that, 416 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: and you know, getting getting the whole world to get 417 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: to see who these players really are and how they 418 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: go about their lives, not just down the field, was 419 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: so important. By the way, my MVP of Hard Knocks, 420 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Stalworth Stally Sally did not have enough screen time. 421 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: That is my only complaint about Hard Knocks is that 422 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: I wanted more Stally in Hard Knocks when he said 423 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: when he said during the for the bye week, he 424 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: was going to go play Big Boy golf. All I 425 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: wanted to do was go play Big Boy golf with 426 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: Taylor Stalworth. Yeah, I'm a little jealous. You didn't. I'm 427 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I'm little jelosh. You didn't say me JJ. 428 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: That's all right. Great, that was a great, wonderful and 429 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: Frank Wright, you were great. Obviously it was fun. But yeah, 430 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I thought being the canary in the coal mine type 431 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: of the first one to do it in season type 432 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: of thing. I thought it went well, and I know 433 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: the coach player sure enjoyed it, and it brought a 434 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: lot of people something to do on Wednesday night. So anyway, overall, great, 435 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: great experiment. I don't know that the Colts will be 436 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: on it next year, who knows, but I think futurely 437 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: and then I'll put this topic to bed. I think 438 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: every team will do this during the season in the 439 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: next couple of years. I think it'll be a stalwart, 440 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: a staple that we can get behind the scenes of 441 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: your favorite team, all thirty two of them, not just 442 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: like this year with the Colts in season. That's my 443 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: personal opinion. Maybe I'm nuts, so that's very different discussion 444 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: time now. We don't want to keep the big Man 445 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: waiting any longer. Ring of on Remember Jeff Saturday. Here 446 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: on the Colts Official Podcast, presented by our friends at 447 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: win Bet and Jeff, we talk about disappointing losses the 448 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks and where it ranks as far 449 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: as the Colts go, and the loss to Jackson building 450 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Hey, you were part of a huge disappointing 451 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: loss with a great team back in two thousand and four. 452 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: I want to say, when we saw Vander Jacks kick 453 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: go way right against the Steelers, what is the mentality 454 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: of a player going through something that you know you 455 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: should be winning the game, You know you should be advancing, 456 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: but then thunderstruck and you find out that that's out 457 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: the way that it's going. Jeff, how tough has it 458 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: been for these Cults players last week and a half? Oh, 459 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: it's devastating and and it's and it's not any less devastating, 460 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years later as you bring up old 461 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: stuff for him. And so I really appreciate shot a 462 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: Buyers right there. That's better than starting interview off just 463 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: really trying to break a man down. So appreciate that. 464 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: I'll try to help get the rest of the group 465 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: and dig out of the hole, you know what I mean. 466 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: But now, your honesty, it's very difficult. It's it's it's 467 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: very difficult and and and the worst part is is 468 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: that everybody understands they have their part of blame to 469 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: to to you know, to shoulder and you know, this 470 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: was this was one of those games where it was 471 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: an epic failure. Man Like, you looked at yourself as 472 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: a football team and go, how in the world did we, 473 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: you know, give one up to get into the playoffs 474 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: to a team that's going to have the first tick 475 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: in the draft, and you just kick yourself for missopportunities. Um, 476 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: But the reality is, after a week, you gotta let 477 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: it go. It's time to build in for the twenty 478 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: twenty two team. And I think that's the best way 479 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: to get rid of something like that is to try 480 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: to move on and begin to get yourself ready for 481 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: the following season. And then you know, there's no other way. 482 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I wish it were easier. I wish there 483 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: was a better answer and a you know, a sexier answer, 484 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is is it just takes work, 485 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: and the faster you get back to work and trying 486 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: to improve yourself, the better off you'll be of letting 487 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: that one fall fall away from you. Well, we're talking 488 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: to Jeff Saturday. We're going to talk about offensive line 489 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: play very quickly. I know you've seen the tape of 490 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: the film going back to Jacksonville. But giving up six 491 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: sacks with that offensive line to that front of Jacksonville. 492 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: What happens on a day like that when you've got 493 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: rare talent up front like the Colts do, but it 494 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: just kind of collapses in front of you. Oh, it 495 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: was unacceptable. I mean, listen, there's a ton of errors 496 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: that they made. They put they put themselves in bad position. 497 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: They didn't see it, you know, mentally, they didn't see it. 498 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: Great Like, you know, there were things that you when 499 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: you turn the tape on an offensive linement, you see alignment, 500 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: You see you know where guys are starting, where guys 501 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: are creeping down from the back end of the of 502 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: the of the defense, and you understand, no, this guy's 503 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: gonna have to cross cross face me here. They did 504 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: a poor job of sharing the burden passing off games 505 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: so um and look man like you know, you have 506 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: those days. The problem is is that that almost all 507 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: of them had a bad day. And and you know, 508 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,239 Speaker 1: usually it's a one guy's struggling, will help pick him up. 509 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: But when everybody's taking turns of of giving up pressure, 510 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: giving up problems and having issues and having mental airs, man, 511 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's like a damn and it's breached 512 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different places. You know, it's it's 513 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: tough to repair it mid game. And so I know 514 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: those guys have it take a lot of ride and 515 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: playing better than that. Uh. And then you got to 516 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: give Jacksonville some credit and they had a good plan. 517 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: They came in and played lights out and uh and 518 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: really just played more physical than the than the Colts did. 519 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: And so again one of those days where as an 520 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: offensive line, you go, man, I really let one get away. 521 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: We're supposed to be what everybody hangs their hat on, 522 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: the most dominant part of this football team. We didn't 523 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: show up and get our part done, Jeff. A free 524 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: is that Chris Ballard has used in the past is 525 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: healthy friction. And when you talk about kind of moving 526 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: on and moving forward and looking ahead to the next 527 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: season and how much motivation you're going to draw from 528 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: the way this season ended with back to back losses 529 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: to knock you out of the playoffs. What does that 530 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: healthy tension need to look like within the leadership of 531 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: this locker room to avoid this happening again and for 532 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: this team to not again be in that situation of 533 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: getting off to a slow start, having to climb back 534 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: after an O and three start one and four. Put 535 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: yourself back in that position. Whereas we learned from Frank Cik, 536 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: you you use so much gas early on just to 537 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: put yourself back up. You know at that midpoint or 538 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: three quarters away through this season that you don't, you know, 539 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: exhaust yourself so far that you aren't able to close 540 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: in the fashion that you want. Yeah, a lot of 541 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: self reflection, you know, you got to look at yourself. 542 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: What did I do well and what did I do 543 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: poorly this season? What areas can I sticks on myself? 544 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm a leader of this football team. What areas or 545 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: needs of improvement do I check? And I can make 546 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: it as small as this lay As when I was 547 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: a player, I would find one thing and I would 548 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: find focus on that if it was I wanted to 549 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: improve my back block on one of the guard away 550 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: from me is going to pull my reach technique, my 551 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 1: hand placement. I would get that detailed. I was going 552 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: to work on that all offseason to make sure next 553 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: year that would not be an area that I needed 554 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: to improve. And then you take it the next step 555 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: to accountability, like there has to be a there has 556 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: to be an accountability to each player on this team assumes, 557 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: and then when you get called to the carpet, you're 558 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: ready to step up and do your part. And I 559 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: think both of those areas are going to have to 560 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: be improved to that friction that Chris is talking about 561 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: is such a truthful and impactful statement. And I think 562 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: you know it doesn't sound like that. You know it 563 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't grab your ear, but the facts are is there 564 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: needs to be that friction of a man. If I 565 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: don't get this done, somebody else will get it done. 566 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: And when I was playing, when I was an indie, 567 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: we had a we had a very locker room. We 568 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: were led by planiers and we would look at each 569 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: other and say, hey, man, if you don't improve, you 570 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: know they're gonna have to replace you with somebody else. 571 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: I love you, we're friends, we have all this, but 572 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: there's a level of accountability that each man has to 573 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: go home and understand. Then we all depend on you. 574 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're one eleven of a part of this. 575 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: If one guy is not pulling his part, then for 576 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: all of us we got we got to get better. 577 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: And so I think those two things, that self reflection 578 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: and that accountability or two things that those guys are 579 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: going to work on in that locker room this offseason 580 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: and looking to the areas of improvement. One of the 581 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: things that you know we always hear from from coach 582 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: and from Chris the quarterback off and gets you know, 583 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: too much credit but also too much criticism. What are 584 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the things that you saw from Carson Wentz that you 585 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: really liked this season, that showed great promise within this offense. 586 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: But also the thing if he is your quarterback moving forward, 587 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: that as somebody who is a leader within this offense, 588 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: you feel like these are the steps, these are the 589 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: strides that he would need to take from your one 590 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: to year two to not have an end of the 591 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: season a louder part of the season like we witnessed. Yeah, 592 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: start start with the things that you were impressed with. 593 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: He definitely played better this year than he did the 594 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: year prior, which is which is always a good thing. 595 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job for the most 596 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: part of limiting turnovers. The problem was is in the 597 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: games that it mattered. He had some right Tennessee, you 598 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: make some errors like that, you saw what happened in Jacksonville. 599 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: But the games that you need to kind of step 600 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: up and make plays and be a difference maker. And 601 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: that's tough. But I do think overall he did a 602 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: good job of protecting the football. Some areas of improvement 603 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: that they'll have to have. His timing of the offense, 604 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: like the ball needs to come out on time real 605 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: Early in the season he definitely struggled with I thought 606 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: he got better and then he kind of regressed a 607 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: little bit again, you know, holding the ball, not really 608 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: understanding where the ball needs to be at that moment. 609 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: And that timing is everything in offense, and rhythm is 610 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: so important, whether in the run game or the passing game. 611 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: You set up blocks so that the running back hits 612 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: the play at a certain time then can accelerate and 613 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: make the most of it. No different for a quarterback 614 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: in receivers. When that timing is there, the ball have 615 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: to be delivered. It can't be. I'm going to hold 616 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: on and try to make a bigger play, take what's given, 617 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: force teams to check you down and tackle you, and 618 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: then allow Jat and the offensive line to hopefully dominate. 619 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: But that'll be an area that he'll have to improve 620 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: to carry this team to the next step. Jeff, with 621 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: regards of the Colts run game, they were one of 622 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: the most run heavy teams in the NFL this year, 623 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: you know them and the Browns. I think we're near 624 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: the top. How do you evaluate where the run game 625 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: can go in this offense? Because we saw, you know, 626 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: we heard Chris Ballard and Frank Creich say, you know, 627 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: we believe you have to pass it in the NFL 628 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: to win. How big of a part of the run 629 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: game realistically can the Colts have in their offense going forward, 630 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: knowing they have strength in Jonathan Taylor and the offensive line, 631 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: but also knowing that they do need to be able 632 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 1: to pass it to go win games. Well, I mean, 633 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: I think I think there's two things. So I think 634 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: you can be I mean, I think you could be 635 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: a very balanced football team, or or a fifty percent 636 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: or ish fifty plus percent ish run team and still 637 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: be successful, right, especially if you have a good defense 638 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: that you're not scared to play special teams and punt 639 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: the ball too. So you know, I do understand that 640 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: you do have to pass it though, but that you 641 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: can be creative in your run game that will really 642 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: couple with, you know, with that passing game. Right, the 643 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: screen game can be important. That's a pass, but it's 644 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: a very it's it's a very low risk pass play, right, 645 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: So there are things that you can do to protect 646 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: your football team even within the passing game. And then 647 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: I think they're right. You have to take shot like 648 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: you've got to get the defense to back up, and 649 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: we you know you you had that. The one thing 650 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: about Carson another another positive. He wasn't afraid to challenge 651 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: one on one deep down the field. We got a 652 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: lot of pass interferences that were positive for our football team. 653 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: And I think with Pittman in that relationship growing and 654 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: hopefully with pass on these guys getting healthy and coming back, 655 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: I think that should be better as as well. But 656 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: but the run game and the offensive line, if that's 657 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: where you're laying your hat, you got to be committed 658 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: to it and then allow the passing game to come 659 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: off on the back side of that. I think everybody 660 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: understands you're watching San Francisco right now into the playoffs, 661 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: and they are a team that's committed to the run, 662 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, they I think they want a playoff game 663 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: last year, a couple of years ago, throwing at eight times. 664 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: There are different ways to win in the NFL, but 665 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: you got to be committed to it and be creative 666 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: in it. And I think that's that for the offense 667 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: is going to be another thing. They'll look at his creativity, 668 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: and I'll be honest with you, there are some games 669 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: where I thought Frank and this offense had incredibly well executed, 670 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: well designed game plans from a run game effective and 671 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: coupling that with their play action, I thought it was 672 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: a thing of beauty. I think they'll continue to grow 673 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: in that area, and under Carson if he's the quarterback 674 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: in his second year as well, because you get more 675 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: comfortable of, hey, where do I need to set up 676 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: behind him behind the guard to tackle? You know? Can 677 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: I really sell this fake and turn my back and 678 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: feel comfortable that I'm going to be protected. I think 679 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: all of those things you know show up in year two. Again, 680 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: if Carson's at the Helm, I think they'll be better 681 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: at that as well. Jeff, I want to zoom out 682 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: a little bit when you talk with your colleagues, whether 683 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: it's on air or off air, about the Colts from 684 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: a national perspective, how did the way the season ended 685 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: change the national perception of the Cults if it did 686 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: at all, Because it seems like the national perception has 687 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: been this is a well run, well built organization and 688 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: team that has a lot of really smart people on it, 689 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: some really good players. Then how did the way the 690 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: season ended? Did that change the narrative at all? And 691 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: if it did, how No, it's interesting, you know usually 692 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: when we talk about it, it'll be you know, when 693 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: you talk about the organization, there's a ton of respect 694 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: for both Chris Ballard and Frank Wright. Like people understand 695 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: from a head coaching perspective, Frank is a very steady force. 696 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: You know, guys like to play for him. He designs 697 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: plans based around his guys. They've got Paller has done 698 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: a great job putting together a roster, but there are 699 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: definitely holes and you know those got exposed through injury 700 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: early on right of and you know, you tried to, 701 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: you know, with Eric Fisher come back from that achilles. 702 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: You know, it took some time to kind of get 703 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: back on his with that achilles, but you know, being 704 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: able to battle through. But it becomes really more personnel 705 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: conversations and its hey, they need to add a receiver here, 706 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: they need to get a pass rusher there, or they 707 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: need to develop, you know, developing that pass rushing element 708 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: different areas of the game, you know, a tight end 709 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: and who can stretch the field and do some other 710 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: things that way. So it becomes more of those conversations 711 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: because again, everybody was shocked at the last two games. 712 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean everybody. So everybody looked at the Colts very 713 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: similar they looked at the forty niners. It's good a 714 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: team who's gonna make the playoffs and everybody is going 715 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: to be scared to play. Obviously, they didn't work out 716 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: for us, which is disappointing, but there's still a great 717 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: foundation there and a great staff that they know they 718 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: can make the most of. And without those injuries early 719 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: this team might have been a you know, twelve twelve 720 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: win type team as opposed to where we ended up. 721 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: And so those are the conversations that we've had a 722 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: lot of positive, a lot of hey man, that was 723 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: an awful way to end, but I mean they got 724 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: a lot to build with. As will follow him on 725 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: Twitter at Saturday, Jeff, And obviously all you have to 726 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: do is turn on your television throughout the week and 727 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: you'll see Jeff Saturday breaking down the NFL on ESPN. 728 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: A pleasure to have you here today. We're going to 729 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: get into one of your old teams, the Green Bay 730 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: Packers facing the San Francisco forty nine ers coming up. 731 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: But I want to stick here here in colts Land 732 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: for a minute, Jeff. Is it possible with a right 733 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: handed quarterback, say it is Carson Wentz to have a 734 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: mix and match play in type of a left tackle 735 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: like Eric Fisher. We're not saying, don't know what's happening 736 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: with Fisher next year, but the importance of finding a 737 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: left tackle not every two years, but somebody that lays 738 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: a foundation like Tarak Glenn. How important is that because 739 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: whatever tackle does come in, Jeff, it's not his offensive 740 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: line room that belongs to Quenton Nelson, No, absolutely, but 741 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: he listen that the very rarely is the left tackle 742 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: that you know the vocal leader. You know, most of 743 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: those guys, you know, they're extremely athletic, but you get 744 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: your leadership normally from the interior portion of line. They're 745 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: guys who are a little bit smaller in stature, like 746 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: the center. You know what I mean, exactly a little 747 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: more vocal, little vice hear you know that that type 748 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: of thing. But but listen, whether it be's this sure 749 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: or someone else understanding that the ultimate goal for this 750 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: offensive line is gonna have to be giving Carson Wentz 751 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: that extra second. You know, everybody understands what happened to 752 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: him in Philadelphia, and the ABU said he kind of 753 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: took behind that line at times and that kind of 754 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: the beatings that he took, that that it takes some 755 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: time to be comfortable back in the pocket, you know, 756 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: feeling rest assured. He I'm gonna be I can take 757 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: that extra second, that extra you know, that extra pump 758 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: fake to really let this thing develop. I think when 759 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: you find a left tackle and you find that rhythm 760 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: between he and Q Nelson, it will be one of 761 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: those things where you go, oh man, this is what 762 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: you're looking for. You still be dominant in a run game, 763 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,959 Speaker 1: but ultimately you got to get that that quarterback feeling 764 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: very comfortable dropping back and sitting behind Ryan Kelly and 765 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: feeling comfortable in that interior three. So you know, whether 766 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: it's Fish you're coming back and having another year off 767 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: of that, or somebody else they find. But when you 768 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: think about the best or the team's ow, you think 769 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: about Tampa Bay their offensive line probably the best in 770 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: the league right now. You think about Green Bay with 771 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: David Baktiari coming back. Look at the comfort day. You 772 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: look at Tennessee Titans, very good offensive line, play physical, 773 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: they want to play a tough and you look at 774 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: the teams that are around they are good offensive lines. 775 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: Are that know who they are, that they understand the 776 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: identity of their football team, whether it's the Fniners, the Titans, 777 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: the Bucks. You know they win different ways, but their 778 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: identity is secure and they understand what they have to accomplish. 779 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: That's the next step for that. Colt so love that 780 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: doubling down Jeff Saturday that the center man is usually 781 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: the smartest and most vocal and most athletic on the field. 782 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing. And most handsome and most hands handsom. Hey, absolutely, man, 783 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: we got there's a lot of stuff happening, obviously with 784 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: the offseason and Chris Ballard and Frank Wright and Jim 785 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: Mersey doing their thing. We're gonna touch back with you 786 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: on that, but you do surfer around the league so 787 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: well on ESPN, So we're gonna have our moment to 788 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: look around at this playoff schedule. I want to start 789 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: with your old team, a team that for some reason 790 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: nobody wants to play, the San Francisco forty nine Ers 791 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: coming into the lambeau Field on Saturday night. Jeff, what 792 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: do you think about this upcoming game? Oh? I love it, 793 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: but listen, I mean, I think there's times when you 794 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: have recency bias, right Like we forget that Tennessee and 795 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: green Bay just had a week off for a reason. 796 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: Green Bay is a very good football team, and they 797 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: have potential of Zadarius Smith coming back. I hear Alexander 798 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: coming back box or had you know played a half 799 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: off against Detroit so he'll be back. Those are huge 800 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: editions and pickups. And when you're thinking about the forty 801 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: nine ers with Fred Warner getting banged up and bos 802 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: you know in the concussion protocol right now, those are 803 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: two major, major pieces, and we all understand on this call. 804 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: You know, fifteen of the last sixteen to go to 805 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl had that buy and and you know 806 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: the NFL is a game of attrition, that game with 807 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: the with with teams getting banged up, and the forty 808 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: nine ers having those injuries. I think it's a I 809 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: think it's a tougher way to go and Green Bay, 810 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: the margin for error for that forty nine Ers team 811 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: is so slim. Jimmy G's gonna have to play a 812 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: perfect game. We saw him try to give the game 813 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: away a couple of times against Dallas. But if he 814 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: can play it, they're good enough to beat him. But man, 815 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: the margin of error is very, very small because because 816 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you Aaron Rodgers will not beat himself. 817 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, I want to go within the AFC 818 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: really quickly because one of the viral images from last 819 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: year's playoffs was Stefan Diggs staying on the field to 820 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: watch the Chiefs celebrate and he is standing all by himself. 821 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: Is there any greater motivation in professional sports than getting 822 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: that close to a conference championship and waiting and standing 823 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: and watching a rival team celebrate? How much drive. Are 824 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills taking away from that in particular, they're 825 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: one of the their greatest weapon offensively aside from Josh 826 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: Allen and stuff on Diggs. Listen pre breakdown every final 827 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: sprint of the summer. Everything I can guarantee you was 828 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs right like like like this low Bills 829 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,439 Speaker 1: team understood the only way we're getting to the super 830 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: Bowl is to unseat this team. They came in, they 831 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: beat him up together was Week five or something like that. 832 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: But make no mistake, this is about playoffs. They understand 833 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: this interregular season game. You know you have to beat 834 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: this football team and you were designed to do it. 835 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: Like they went back McDermott in this in the entire 836 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: organization being went back and they decided, what can we 837 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: do and how can we match up the best with 838 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: the Chiefs? This is this is their day. And so 839 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: as you look at the Bills, they just beat up 840 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: on the Patriots and physically dominated them. That was one 841 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: of their nemesis. This is the next and these are 842 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: the games you have to win to ultimately get to 843 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: that dance. So no more motivation, but guarantee when that 844 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: strength coach is screaming at you, hey men, remember what 845 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: it felt like to walk off that field against the 846 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: Chiefs and watch them celebrate. We don't want to have 847 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: that feeling again. That's the motivation that's been driving them 848 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: an entire season, and it culminates this weekend and I 849 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: am fired up for this one. One quick follow up 850 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: in terms of that matchup, Peter Schrager said on NFL 851 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: network Good Morning Football that Josh Allen played the greatest 852 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: playoff game he's ever seen from a quarterback. In regards 853 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,959 Speaker 1: to the game you just mentioned that Patriots Bills game 854 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: a little bit strong, we think from shrikes because I 855 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 1: think we all know a quarterback who played some pretty 856 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: epic playoff games from within this franchise himself. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 857 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: We've got some recency bias, right, like we're, you know, 858 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: all the sudden, we're crowning folks for a wild card. 859 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: Wee get we can't, we can't do that. But he did. 860 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: He did play a fantastic football game. And I'll tell 861 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: you my favorite part is Brian Dabo, their offensive coordinator, 862 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: did a fantastic job in the execution of their game plan. 863 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: First third and three, they end up running a QB 864 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: suite with Josh Allen. Right, they come right off. The 865 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,439 Speaker 1: next play, looks like he's gonna go out of bounds. 866 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: He's kind of throwing it away and Knox makes an 867 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: incredible play. Well. Fast forward after the interception, third and 868 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: four and they see they're gonna give him a light box. 869 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: They check to a quarterback draw. He goes and extends 870 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: and sustains the drive. Very next play, touchdown again. So 871 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: Dabo understands. Did the way that this this Bill's team 872 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: moves forward if through Josh Allen, then he sprinkled in 873 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: those power runs, you know, leading full back guard, pulling 874 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: and rapping singletary getting the ball and playing some physical 875 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: football running behind the pads. But it's the balance of 876 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: the protection they provided. And make no mistake, the Bill's 877 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: offensive line the last four or five weeks is the 878 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: hottest group in the NFL. I mean, they are giving 879 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: Josh Allen all day and opening lanes. That has been 880 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 1: an enormous improvement for them, and the physicality they can 881 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: play with. They're gonna have to depend on that to 882 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: upset the Chiefs. He's gonna have to have another performance 883 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 1: like he just did to win this weekend. Hey, Jeff. 884 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: Since the playoffs expanded, Jeff, there've only been four games 885 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: involving a number seven seed, but three of them have 886 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: been pretty much uncompetitive after halftime. The only one that 887 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: was was Colts Bills last year. How do you see 888 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: the playoff expansion affecting maybe a number two seed like 889 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers this year the Chiefs. Yeah, where you have 890 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: to play that game. But I mean, really, neither of 891 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: those games between that the Bucks and the Chiefs one 892 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 1: this year were really competitive at all. Now, it's a 893 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: great question, and and here's the truth of it. I 894 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: said it before earlier. The NFL is a game of 895 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: attrition and in the end, and the playoffs when you 896 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: have to play like the Bucks were in no danger 897 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: of losing to the Eagles, Like, like, no thought, all man, 898 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a close game. But guess what, 899 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: Tristan works might not play Ryan Jensen, their their center 900 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: might not be or he'll play, but he's gonna be 901 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: limited now because of his injury. Those are two huge 902 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: losses against a Rams defensive front that can flight out 903 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 1: rush the passer. So had they been home an extra week, 904 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: they would not have faced that thing again, just because 905 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: they beat the brakes off of the Eagles, but all 906 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden those injuries mound up. No different for 907 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, right is it's a game of attrition? 908 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: That the advantage for the for the Packers as they 909 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: were sitting home relaxing, everybody's getting healthier. The other way 910 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,439 Speaker 1: for the for the Chiefs, guys get banged up. It's 911 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: it's it is a much more difficult route just because 912 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: of that bye week and the rest to get the 913 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: bumps of is on an extra game already added, So 914 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: great question and one that I think these games it's 915 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 1: gonna be tough to be competitive, man, Like the number 916 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: two team in the in the conference should be substantially 917 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: better than the seven, like like I mean, you know 918 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it's you know it could 919 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: it happen, absolutely, but I think it does a little 920 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: more damage than it actually does help. Matthew Stafford has 921 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: one playoff victory as a quarterback. Tom Tom Brady has 922 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: like sixty nine of them. What do you like against 923 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: the traveling traveling on the road to Tampa Bay? What 924 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: do you what do you think of that one job? 925 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a it's a game that 926 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: if the if the if the Bucks can protect Brady, 927 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: they'll be fine. That worth injury to me is a 928 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: very scary one. Um. Listen, Matt Stafford two seventeen passes 929 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: last night. This was not a This was not a 930 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, a game that you had to depend on 931 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: the on the quarterback to carry. They ran the heck 932 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: out of it. They played great defense. Um, those are 933 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: the things that won that football game last night. However, 934 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: you signed Matt Stafford for this type of game. Hey, listen, 935 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: if we got to go through it, because I think 936 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: he threw it thirty eight times when they beat the 937 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 1: Bucks earlier in the season, it may be that type 938 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: of day. Todd Bowles does a great job of shutting 939 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,439 Speaker 1: a run game down. If Acres and Sony Michelle can't 940 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: get it going, you can rest assured it's going to 941 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 1: be in the hands of Stafford. Can he protect the 942 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: football and do what he did early in the season 943 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: against the Bucks because he had a probably his best 944 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: day against high quality that he's had all seasons. So 945 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: this is why you signed the big dogs. We talked 946 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: about it a minute ago. They get too much credit 947 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: and too much blame. Well, this is a credit or 948 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: blame game for Stafford for them to get to upset 949 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 1: the Bucks. He'll be in the Hall of Fame soon. 950 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: His name is Jeff Saturday at Saturday Jeff. You can 951 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter. And before we let you go, 952 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being courteous with your time. The Manning 953 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: Cast on ESPN. I know you've seen it. I know 954 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: you've been on it at the Manning Cast. Is it 955 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: true to life? Is that what we get if we 956 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: were sitting in the living room with Peyton Manning watching 957 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: a football game. Oh, I ain't no doubt and the 958 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: loud eating and drinking that you know, all of that 959 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: is fact right, like saying you know, saying things being 960 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: wrong ninety nine percent of the time. Absolutely, all of 961 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: that is factual. What you're seeing is truth and truth personified. 962 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm so glad people get to see you know that 963 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: his choice is you know, he's he's no Tony Romo 964 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: in the prediction area, right, like like everything he predictions 965 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: Like the other was it was it last night or 966 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: the other night and he was talking about the gaming 967 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,439 Speaker 1: and he was He's talking about a punt and Eli 968 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: was like, bro, there's not an eleven second hang time. 969 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: You know, peyto the punt was going to take off 970 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: like eleven seconds. I love the Eli attack. If I 971 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: was giggling to myself nothing better than watching made him 972 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: get out there and Eli put it on him. Brother, 973 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: It's such a it's such a joy to watch. One 974 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: of my favorite things is that what we all know 975 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: about being in TV, like you got to wear the 976 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: IFB and hear all of the things. Jeff, you know 977 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: this from your days and studio and how frustrated Peyton 978 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,919 Speaker 1: gets when things aren't going perfectly, like he couldn't hear 979 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: and you know he probably probably it's a good thing 980 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: he's rich because he ain't worried about that fine. I 981 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: think the rest of us will be a lot more 982 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,720 Speaker 1: concerned about that fine than he is. But he listened. 983 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: That is a hundred percent back. And if for any 984 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: people who don't would keep with your producer or directors 985 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: talking in your ear and then and then Manning is 986 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: such a perfectious like you can tell he's looking at 987 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: all the different monitors. He's probably got forty of them, right, 988 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: Like he's got two sideline monitors, he's got a field monitor. 989 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: You're the all twenty two. He's got all kinds of 990 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: stuff going on, and he's looking around. He can't find 991 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: his way. He does not want to be out of 992 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: his comfort zone. Every one of us know that on 993 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: the call when he gets a little bit twisted. You 994 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: heard that language. Now he's paying a fine. Nothing better 995 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: for charity to accept that fine. I love it. I 996 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: love it at Saturday Jeff follow him on Twitter, big man, 997 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,399 Speaker 1: and he appreciate the time, appreciate the help. There aren't 998 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be some moves made in the offseason, after all, 999 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: this is the NFL. Would love to catch up with 1000 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: the end a month or two to kind of find 1001 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: out what's going go on in colts Land. How's that sound? Absolutely? 1002 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: Always game. You guys, have a great women, great talk 1003 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,320 Speaker 1: to Weekkay Talk Jr. Thanks job a great one, Jeff 1004 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,919 Speaker 1: Saturday Ring of Honor. He'll be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 1005 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: I said it. I claimed that. You can tweet at 1006 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,799 Speaker 1: me if you want. I'm at Hey Gorman at Lara 1007 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 1: Overton at JJ stakovits. This has been the colts Official podcast, 1008 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,879 Speaker 1: presented by our friends at wind Bet. A big thank 1009 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: you to Jeff Saturday for taking the time and do 1010 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: you too, Lara Overton and JJ Stakovitz with all the 1011 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: help of Mike Stevens and Casey Valley. Guys, great job today. 1012 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: Appreciate the offseason content. We're gonna give you more and 1013 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 1: more each week. Don't forget you can go to Colts 1014 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: dot com for the latest information that you need and 1015 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: also don't forget to download the Colt SAP. We are 1016 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: presented by our friends at winn Bet. Guys. I had fun, 1017 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Let's enjoy some football. Our time will come. 1018 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: What do you say, JJ, What do you say, Lara? 1019 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely enjoying this, learning from it, basking in it, 1020 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: fueling up already for twenty twenty two. All right, great, yeah, 1021 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: absolutely a j glad to have you a board. A 1022 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: big thanks again to Jeff Saturday. Folks. We'll talk to 1023 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: you next week. M