WEBVTT - Will Earth Become Coruscant? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:07.080 Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:13.960 Forward Thinking. Hey there, and welcome to Forward Thinking, the 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.520 podcast that looks at the future and says hot town 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.480 Summer in the City. I'm Jonathan Strickland, I'm Lauren, and 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.480 I'm Joe McCormick. And this is part two of our 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.000 two part episode series on mega cities and the future 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.320 of urbanization. So if you haven't heard part one before 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.360 you listen to this episode, go back download part one 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.239 and listen to that where you'll get all of the 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.320 wonderful information that you need to understand Part two. But 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.400 here is part two. Hey Joe, Yeah, I like Star Wars. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.080 I know you like Star Wars, Jonathan, And actually I 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.440 have a Star Wars trivia question for you, guys. Hit me, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.360 what was the name of the planet that was the 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:58.840 seat of power of the Galactic Empire. It's corressant Chissan. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.520 You don't pronounce it Corra scant No, because I pronounced 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.920 it correctly. You know, because you pronounced it correctly. You 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.080 know that if you say it wrong, Holly Fry Is 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.440 gonna come beat you. You know that. Yeah, our our 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.720 beloved Holly is is the official Star Wars super fan 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.959 of the Office, and I thought I thought I was 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.360 a super fan, but Holly puts me to Shane. Yeah, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.360 Holly knows stuff I've never heard of. And as far 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.080 as I know, you have zero Grito tattoos. Jonathan, I 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.000 have no Grito tattoos. So Holly definitely beats me on 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.720 that one too. But Coussan Corrossan. So it's this. It's 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.399 a big what we call it, a big sort of 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:41.520 capital planet maybe of the Galactic Empire, of their governing structure. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.720 So what does this planet look like? Well, I always 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.839 thought this was kind of interesting when I was a kid, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.720 when I was reading about it in my little like 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:56.080 Star Wars Informer books. Oh God, it's like Joe, we're 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.200 going down the road. Yeah that it said that the 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:05.760 entire planet was a city. Yes, so it's not big 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.160 cities in continents full of lush greenery and and deserts 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.440 and stuff like that. It's one city that covers the 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.200 entire surface of the planet. It's a city planet, Yeah, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:21.760 a continuous city that covers practically the entire surface. So 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.320 I thought it would be an interesting, sort of absurd 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.240 extension of the question of mega cities to say, is 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:33.960 something like the planet Corrossant actually possible in reality? Well, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.560 in order to do this, I thought give a little 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.720 bit more detail on Corrossant. As you said, it was 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.760 the capital of the Glactic Empire, but it was also 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.720 the capital of the Old Republic and the capital of 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.440 the New Republic. Because if you already got a major 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:51.080 planet city, why not use it? Uh it's uh so 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:52.480 what are they going to do with all those like 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:57.600 stormtrooper helmet factories after the Empire is dismantled? Well, I 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:02.200 mean I haven't seen uh episode seven yet, so I 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.639 can't really convert them into bicycle helmet factories so that 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.080 everyone can ride their bikes around the beautiful city planet. Yeah. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.560 I think the nice thing about the helmets though, is 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:17.960 that you can have a huge growth industry in ewalk percussion. Yeah, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.440 you just you can just have the Daego ba or no, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.840 I'm sorry, the Moon of Indoor. The Moon of Indoor. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.200 Everyone can play ye no, unless you've only seen the 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.240 special edition of Return of the Jedi where they didn't 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.519 have they replaced yep, numb. Okay, We've got to stop. Okay, okay, No, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.760 tell me about what kind of idea would the planet, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.800 of course ont to be. So there's a term called 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.600 an ecu monopolis, which I hope I'm saying correctly. There's 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.960 some Greek names that I'm going to have to say, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.440 so I apologize profusely because I it's all Greek to 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.720 me um and I'm not very good at pronouncing it. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:59.440 So it essentially means world city ecu monopolis, and uh, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.480 they're different interpretations of it, but the more most literal 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.640 is that it's what Corrossant would be, a world that 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.240 is itself a full city. So what you're saying is 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.040 that George Lucas didn't originate this idea. No, the concept 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.800 of ecu monopolis goes back further. But it's not an 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.480 ancient idea. This isn't something that you know. Uh. Socrates 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.919 was walking around one day and said, I envisioned a 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.480 city that will cover the entire world. Was not quite 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.880 that forward thinking. It wouldn't be that hard, as long 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:33.400 as we purge the world of poets. Well. The The 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.720 term was coined in the late sixties nineteen sixty seven 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.280 nineteen sixty eight by a man named Constantinos du Seatus, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.440 and I apologized profusely for Butchering that last name, But 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.280 he was a city planner and he founded a journal 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.520 dedicated to city planning and called it Acoustics. And he thought, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.400 with proper planning and implementation, cities of the future could 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.520 be productive, pleasant places for people to live in and 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.400 the designs would make it easy to get around to 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.599 do work. And he was a big proponent of making 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.560 communities pedestrian friendly and order orderly layouts for easy navigation. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.680 If any of this is sounding familiar to to you, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.280 it's a lot about, you know, similar to what we've 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.440 talked about in previous episodes, with things like UM planning 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.320 for bicycle lanes things like that that are separate from 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.200 from car lanes protected by lanes. Yeah. Yeah, he he 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.839 was a proponent of that kind of design and really 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:37.720 wanted to UM to advocate for careful planning of expansion 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.720 of urban environments in order for it to be not 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.479 just a place where you could go to seek opportunity, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.840 but a place that would foster that. It wouldn't it 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.480 wouldn't become an impediment to getting opportunity, it would help you. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.159 And so he had a lot of ideas on that 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.520 which are almost diametrically in opposition to the way Corressan 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.599 is shown. Um So, getting back to Corrasson, it was 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.600 definitely not a representation of that idea. Um So, according 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.240 to Star Wars Lawre and I have to mention, we're 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.880 using a lot of information that comes from various sources 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.440 that are considered the expanded universe, so therefore are not Cannon, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.840 or at least not G Cannon. You know what G 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.680 Cannon stands for in Star Wars, are right? Actually don't 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:31.159 George Cannon. George Cannon. So yes, there is cannon canon. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:36.640 I'm not even making I have no clue, but no 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.960 G cannon is anything that's directly from the movies, the 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:44.479 novelizations of the movies, or specifically out of George Lucas's mouth. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.640 And then you have different tiers of cannon below that 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.000 and an okay, so speaking of tears though, yes, the 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.520 city of Corrassan this planet had five thousand, one, twenty 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.200 seven levels to it, so not that all of the 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.120 buildings were five thousand, one or twenty seven stories tall, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.680 but that was sort of the that was the range. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.320 It's the deepest basement to the tallest tower, and uh, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.560 lots of tall towers and had a huge population of 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.320 one trillion people. That's the residents, not just the people 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.760 coming through Corrassant. Now, trillion people. That sounds like a lot, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.880 and it is. It's a lot of people. Obviously, we're 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.200 talking about we're we're living in a time where we 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.760 have more than seven billion on this planet, and we've 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.320 talked about how by that might be closer to ten billion. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.960 So a trillion is hard to imagine. Now, if we 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.480 assume that Corrassan is the same size as Earth, all right, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.440 so it's it's the planet itself is about the same size. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.120 And keeping in mind that Corrassan has essentially built up 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.560 its city over every square mile of the plant, with 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.480 the exception of an artificial sea, as an an artificial 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.200 ocean that is built in it's a small one. Um, 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.119 you would be looking at a population density of about 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.640 five thousand, seventy nine people per square mile. And I 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.440 got that figure by taking the trillion of people and 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.920 dividing it by the square miles of Earth, which is 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.880 a hundred nine six million thousand. So that's not as 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.560 dense as some parts of Tokyo. That's true. Oh yeah, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.440 that's way less dense. Yeah, and and keep in mind 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.560 that's that's just taking the surface area into account, not 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.440 the levels. Yeah. Yeah, if you if you divide that 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.720 into the five thousand one hypothetical levels, the levels that 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.920 are empty, Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're like less than 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.360 one person per square mile. And you could have a 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.320 skyscraper to yourself, though I would say that you have. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.000 You're gonna have to imagine if you accept the reality 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.600 of a of a planet like this, that huge portions 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.800 of its surface area are going to have to be 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.120 taken up with just pure machinery and industry. Yes, there 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.040 there are even if it's an even if it's not production, 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.040 if it's just designed to say like produce oxygen and 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.760 scrub CEO two from the atmosphere or something, there are 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.800 areas of Yeah, there areas of course on that were 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.800 specifically for ship building and like, so obviously that would 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.920 not there will not be a lot of residents there. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.439 There'd be uh factories, that sort of thing. So there 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.720 were there were definitely manufacturing centers. So not some areas, 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.000 just like in Tokyo, some areas would have a more 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:27.520 dense population in some areas would be less. But even so, uh, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.480 it's it's I think the reason why one trillion is 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.640 the number is because someone thought that's big, and so 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.480 I thought they thought they just thought this would be 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.480 a teeming metropolis that expans an entire planet. It's only 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.160 when you start to really crunch the numbers that you realize, oh, well, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.560 if if Corrasson is in fact around the same size 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.240 as Earth, it's really not as big a number if 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:53.719 you're talking about a worldwide city. Um. So that's I 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.760 thought that was kind of funny. So also, I've got 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.080 a question, does it rain on Corressan. That's an excellent question. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:03.440 I have no idea if it can, because according to 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:09.040 Star Wars lore non canon lore. Uh, they the planet 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.680 of Corrassant, the city pumped all the water from the 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.840 surface into underground chambers. Thus you would have removed it. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.400 I would have thought from the water cycle. Like I said, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.800 there's that one western sea that was kind of a 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.920 tourist destination. It was a place for people to go 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.000 for vacation. Um. Yeah, because even in Star Wars, you've 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.920 got to have someplace for them to go and snap 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.880 their family photos. You're not fighting the empire you're going 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:36.640 to the Emperor Emperor Invader showing Grand grandmaf Tark in 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.480 their slides from and he has where went into the 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.800 water and like that sort of stuff, and like now 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.120 but at any rate, um uh yeah, So how what happens? 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.480 Like if you if you remove the water that then 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.320 it can't evaporate, you can't. I would imagine you wouldn't 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.360 have rain in that case, although you would also obviously 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:01.800 need to have incredible recycling ability for your water, because 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.000 you know, you're going through that underground vault of water 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.520 steadily the entire time. Sure, but I guess if everyone's 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.600 indoors most of the time, you don't really need rain. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.760 I mean, there's no agriculture on the planet that outdoors. 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:20.439 I'm imagining they must import everything as far as that's concerned. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.400 You know, I wonder if there were actually a planet 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.640 sized city, if it would have cities within the city, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.840 if there are like places in the city that have 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.360 more population density than other places in the city. That's 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.040 the case of Corosant. They have quadrants that are divided 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:39.160 into sectors, and some of the sectors are affluent, so 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.600 that's where all the you know, the senators would be living. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.760 You know, their quarters would be in the affluent sector. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.959 And then you have some that are more the moss 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:53.840 easily type villainy of you know rather Yeah, yeah, you 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.440 have those areas as well. So it all depends on 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.280 the areas, especially the ones that were the manufact shrink 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.200 centers that are are no longer active, those have fallen 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:08.960 to crime and poverty. Um does Coroissant have sewers. I'm 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.760 sure that they have sewers. The really interesting thing is 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.720 what about all the other waste that's generated. I mean, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.360 it may be that even they're there, I guess human 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.559 is the wrong word humanoid general, by the ways, they 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.440 shoot their waste off into space. Uh, and you have 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:33.959 garbage space ships that collect that the canisters. Yeah, because 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.600 because immediately the first thing that we think of tattoo 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.400 a kind of except its moons, not necessarily tattoos. What's 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.240 the ewalks. I'm sure they don't go all the way 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.839 out the indoor to dump the stuff, but no, they 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.400 dump they dump their garbage on moons or sometimes if 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.560 it's hazardous material, they shoot it off into the sun 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.800 for incineration. That's something that we didn't actually talk about 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.199 during our nuclear waste episodes. Yeah, maybe we should have been. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.280 We think we did. I think we talked about Superman 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.240 for the Quest for Peace because we mentioned the fact 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.520 that because we always talk about Superman Quest for Peace, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.280 there are two things that are are really preventing us 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:14.680 from doing that being expense, an enormous risk, so expense 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.760 obviously being that you know, it's really really not cost 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.600 effective for us here on Earth to shoot stuff into space. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.720 It's incredibly expensive, and especially not into the sun. Right, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.040 And then you go on, is you don't want nuclear 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.480 waste to explode four miles in the sky. Yeah, you 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.240 don't want that. You don't want to have an even 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:37.000 distribution of nuclear waste across an enormous uh radius. Okay, Well, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.520 now that we have dwelt on the nerd topic for 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.920 a while exploring the cannon and non cannon descriptions of Courson, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.520 I want to ask, for real, could you make a 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.200 planet like this? Could could a planet actually sustain itself 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.800 if it was almost completely covered in city type landscape, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.880 develop the landscape where people are dwelling and doing their work. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.400 One of the things that would occur to me is 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.640 like where's their food coming from? Like this is going 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.920 to be a resource problem currently. I mean we've talked 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.000 to want to tell you about soil and green. Consider 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.560 it an investment opportunity. I think you should really put 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.760 yourself into soil and green all the way and you're 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:24.120 gonna see the benefit almost immediately. Grain is monclamar It's 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:30.200 a trap, right, Admiral snack bar at any rate. No, Yeah, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.040 you definitely have a resource problem. I mean, we've talked 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.640 about things like urban farming and vertical farming this podcast before, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:42.160 but those even in the most in the friendliest of cases, 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:47.200 have a lot of difficulty. Well the most optimistic outlooks 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.480 on those, I don't think anyone would would be able 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.720 to say this sort of approach would meet all the 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.480 needs of all this is. Yeah. No, it's about like 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.840 offsetting part of the problem, right, it's it's it's about 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.960 creating a system that allows you to have a lower 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.760 dependence upon shipping stuff into the city, because that transportation 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.160 adds to an environmental impact and economic impact. So it 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.720 makes sense to help kind of decrease the footprint in 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.360 that sense. But if you are a planet wide you 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.600 know city, you don't have any arable land out there, right, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.840 So it seems like on a place like Corrassant. If 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.960 that was real, you would have to I don't know, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.040 import food from other planets. Imagining that's what must happen. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.600 So it would be kind of like having a huge 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.240 city surrounded by farm lands. This would be a city 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.480 planet surrounded by farm planets. Yeah. Yeah, So so what 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.520 we need to do is first work out faster than 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.960 like travel, and then build our city planet or either 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.560 that or terraformed the Moon and turn it into a 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.880 giant farm. But if we follow the model we know 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.080 here on Earth, and the surface area of the farm 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.800 land you need to support people is much greater than 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.080 the occupied portion of the Moon, or whatever this farm 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.560 place would be would have to be bigger than the planet. Well, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.680 I mean, assuming that our population would have reached this 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.960 trillion level. If we're talking about the current population of 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.960 the Earth, we'd all have like enormous city blocks to ourselves. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.560 Should be kind of interesting. We can all re enact 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.920 that excellent episode of Twilight Zone where we just imagine 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.240 where the last person on Earth and then break our 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.360 glasses as we pick up the library book. I've got 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:35.360 another one here, how about heat? Okay, So cities do 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.800 generate heat obviously, and um. In fact, you know, you 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.560 probably have heard about the heat island effect of various cities. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:47.640 Atlanta is notorious for this. Sometimes if you go outside 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.080 the building where we work around midday, it's like stepping 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.080 into an oven. It is pretty rough. People are warm, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.920 machinery is warm, and the end all of a lot 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.000 of these surfaces like asphalt and of like that absorb 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.040 heat and then radiated back out. Yeah, so you just 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.520 have this constant bombardment of he even and it lasts 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.520 well into the hours after dusk as well, because you 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.760 just the concrete and asphalt will just continuously radiate that 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.120 heat until it's exhausted. So it's sometime around maybe three 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.439 in the morning where it starts to feel like like 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:24.240 it's habitable again. Uh at any rate, So let's say 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.720 that before we go to like a plant wide one, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.280 if we're just looking at mega cities, UM, if we're 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.399 just looking at cities that are are occupying part of 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.000 a world and there are other parts of the world 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.000 that still have water on them, for example, because obviously 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:43.280 corsant is a different thing entirely. UM cities definitely generate heat, 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:48.560 and that definitely affects cities. In fact, it affects rainfall. Uh. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.919 There's decades of research that show that more rainfalls in 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.920 urban areas than in rural areas, despite the fact that 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.320 you've got much larger area of rural land than you 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.919 do the relatively concentrated urban area. And part of the 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.320 reason is that cities are generating so much heat that 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.880 heat is rising up and stirring up moisture in the atmosphere, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.840 helping thunder clouds to form, so we get not just rain, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:23.160 but thunderstorms, big ones. And then you've got tall buildings. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:24.800 So if you have a city that's got a lot 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.479 of skyscrapers, that acts as almost like a wall, so 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.000 when wind starts blowing against the buildings, that gets deflected upward. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.679 That also stirs up more activity in the upper levels 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.520 of the the well, not the upper levels of the atmosphere, 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.119 but the immediate level of the atmosphere, exactly where the 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.720 weather and so also the pollution generated by cities creates uh, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.560 the little nucleic sites that droplets can form around, so 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.119 that rain can fall. So you get a perfect storm 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.640 of heat and wind circulation and and things for water 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:06.680 to glom onto, and so you see larger thunderstorms developing 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.320 over certain cities, particularly in places like the American South, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.680 specifically Atlanta as a big you know, we we see 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.359 it all the time. Um. What's interesting is that you 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.359 can't necessarily say the exact same thing is happening in 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.360 other cities because there are other variables that could be 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.159 at play that are not present in Atlanta. Atlanta is 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.040 not on it's not on the shore, right, it's not 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.640 near an ocean. So places like New York City and Washington, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.040 d C. They get a lot of thunderstorms too, but 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.560 they have added variables, so it's harder to narrow down 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.320 what exactly is contributing to that. Another thing, though, I 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.520 would say, is an interesting complication is that Atlanta has 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.080 a nice, lovely amount of trees inside the city. If 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.680 you're imagining urban spaces that are largely devoid of vegetation, 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.600 as I don't know, it looks to me like Corrassant 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.879 is from the pictures I see of it. That seems 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.359 like that would have a major fact on on atmospheric processing, 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.639 but also on the heat. Right. Oh yeah, no, you would, 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.320 you would have. I've seen some people suggest that there 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.600 should be some means of heat dissipation in such a city, 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.520 Like going so far as to say, what if they 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.000 developed some sort of heat beam and they literally vent 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.399 the planet by shooting it off into space because you know, 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.359 some heat. Maybe that's what the death start, right, It 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:29.800 was always they just get canisters of heat from Corrassant. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.960 That's starting to sound like a like monsters inc. Okay, yeah, 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:36.800 so so wait, so what we need to do is 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.800 figure out how to control weather. We need faster than 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:45.640 light travel, and we need um infrared radiation capture. Yeah something, Yeah, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.840 that seems I mean, the heat that the city loses 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.159 is pretty much impossible to recapture, right, I mean that's entropy, 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.280 that's that energy is not usable anymore. Yeah. So, I 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.560 mean on Earth we have some of our heat radiate 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.160 out and space. Obviously, if you had means of doing 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.119 that with Corrossan, that would probably also keep temperatures at 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.320 a tolerable level. Otherwise, And also we have to assume 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.280 is Corrossan from the same is that the same distance 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.119 from its star as Earth is from the Sun. Like, 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:20.320 we don't know what other factors are at play, right, 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.399 It could be that the massive city on Corrossan is 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.160 what makes it bearable, because otherwise it could be a 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.520 frozen rock. I don't know, we don't have enough data. 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.920 Um So do you know what their main energy sources, 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.399 because I'm imagining it's lots and lots of stormtroopers on 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.080 stationary bikes underneath the ground. I like to think that 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.479 occasionally they just throw an emperor down a tall shaft 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:48.600 because there's a huge purst of energy. You just occasionally 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.480 just a seth has to dump an emperor down the 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.200 shaft and then the plants get to go for a 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:58.280 while longer. Um So, yeah, there's you know, it's always 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:03.080 the energy density of Star Wars emperors. But if you 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.480 have a good emperor, is that is that less emperor? 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.480 I would argue there's no such thing as a good emperor. 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.800 The power of the dark Side as vast. Okay, that's true, Cookies, 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.080 that's true. Uh. And you know we mentioned I think 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:18.960 it might have even been in the previous episode, Joe. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.760 You you you brought up the idea of or it 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.480 may have just been earlier in this one about you know, 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.080 what do you do with the atmosphere itself? I mean 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.240 that that was this one. I mean so we rely 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:36.480 on things like algae and rainforests and all of the 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.320 various you know, plant life and stuff like that, or 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:44.080 the photosynthetic life on earth to sustain us. Because we're 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:48.240 oxygen breathing creatures. We need them to do our dirty work. 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.440 We that we need them to scrub the CEO two 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.560 we breathe and to produce clean oxygen for us in 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.480 the air. What are we going to do without him? 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.240 I imagine that you would have to have I don't know, 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:02.760 atmosphere processing of some kind, like massive factories to turn 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.520 all the c O two in the air back into oxygen. 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.399 Ok So add that to the list of stuff that 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.399 we need. Okay, so that's good, ye. And then what 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.000 are you going to do with all the carbon? Right? 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.199 Because they're pulling in c O two, they want to 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:16.199 put out O two and so then you've got this 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:20.879 leftover carbon nanotubes? Okay, sure, all the all the buildings 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.520 are going to be off carbon nanotubes. So it takes 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.520 a lot, uh I solve that problem? Okay? All right, Well, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.960 you know this is just scratching the surface, right, We've 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.560