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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Let me tell you about our next guest.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Siggers as a journalist, author, television host known for

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Speaker 1: his expertise in the area of paranormal entertainment, also known

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Speaker 1: as paranormal pop culture. He currently appears on the Travel

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Speaker 1: Channels Paranormal Caught on Camera. He was a host and

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Speaker 1: co executive producer with Zach Begins on the Travel Channel's

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Speaker 1: Paranormal Paparazzi and host of Discoveries Paranormal Lockdown. Evidence revealed

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Speaker 1: he has ghost hunted with Breaking Bads. Aaron Paul, who

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Speaker 1: played Jesse two TV super Into, explored the Winchester Mystery

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Speaker 1: House on Sci Fi, uncovered the shocking truth the Conjuring

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Speaker 1: House on Reel's channel as well, and here he is

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Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast. Hey, Aaron, welcome back. You were

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Speaker 1: on about a year ago with us, weren't you. I was, George,

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Speaker 1: and thanks so much for having me back. Looking forward,

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Speaker 1: how did you get interested in the paranormal? You're You're

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Speaker 1: into it in a big, big way. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely one of those people that was into it

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Speaker 1: the Time Life, Mysteries of the Unknown books that really

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Speaker 1: did a lot of research and then became a journalist

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Speaker 1: and saw and I was doing mainstream journalism, but then

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Speaker 1: saw the opportunity to really talk about the paranormal through

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Speaker 1: my career and people love it. And you do a

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Speaker 1: great job, Aaron. By the way, Yeah, I think so much, George.

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Speaker 1: Every once in a while, I'll get an email from

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Speaker 1: some listener or one of your viewers. You want to

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Speaker 1: have Aaron back on, and so here you are. Pay them, Well,

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Speaker 1: how how are you weathering the coronavirus and everything like that? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm based in New York City. Oh boys, we've been

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Speaker 1: the hotspot of it. But you know, um, I would

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Speaker 1: am proud of my fellow New Yorkers. We've done a

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Speaker 1: it's it's been challenging, but you get through it. We

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Speaker 1: will make it. Where were you born. I am originally

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Speaker 1: is a strange one. Life is strange right now too.

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Speaker 1: So of everything you've done in the piranormal genre, which

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Speaker 1: is the area that you really love. Oh, it's like

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Speaker 1: I guess exactly. I mean, I do tend to go

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Speaker 1: and it's it's it's currency, it's storytelling currency. And I

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Speaker 1: just adore that they love the paranormal. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: can't go anyplace without somebody talking about it. They enjoy

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Speaker 1: they just love it. And people just can't get enough

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Speaker 1: of it do you find that I do? And I

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Speaker 1: So it's still all theory, but it's it's just a commonality.

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Speaker 1: working with Zach Beggin's I've worked through Zach a couple

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? It's really this concept

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Speaker 1: did your work as a journalist change your mind at all,

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Speaker 1: actually happened. That's a good point. Good point indeed. Tell

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Speaker 1: my co host brit Now. I'm a guy, I'm forty

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