1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Here we go, one down, two to go. We are 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: rolling Matt Hasselbeck around the corner. Lincoln Riley stops by 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: USC Oregon at dots and that's gonna be one of 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: the games of the year in college football. Wherever you 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: may be and however you may be listening, Thank Fazolas 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: for joining us. All right, it's starting to sort itself out. 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: We don't want to waste any time here. We do 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: it every Monday. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: and let's strip it where Colin was right. Well, I 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: picked Denver to win the AFC West. I said Kansas 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: City would be good, but a wildcard team. And you know, 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: I love bon Knicks, and I thought yesterday, especially on 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: that last drive, boon Knicks looked like the veteran quarterback. 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: I just think Denver's got a better roster right now. 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: I didn't think that two years ago. But Chris Jones 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: is not playing at the level he was a couple 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: of years ago, So I was right on that. I 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't think it was a controversial take when I said 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Denver's going to win this division and Kansas City will finish. 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: Second, where Colin was wrong. 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: But I've been higher on the Chiefs than almost everybody 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: else at this network because Andy and Brett Veach and 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, the three teams they're battling for a wild 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: card spot, have all beaten them, The Chargers, the Jags, 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: and the Bills, and they're oer in five and one 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: score games, and I just don't think their defense feels 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: is intimidating. And I think Patrick Mahomes is still remarkable. 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: That's not a very good pick. And I think in 36 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: the last couple of years it's feels like Josh Allen's 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: more dynamic. So I've been a little higher on Kansas City, 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: maybe because I've seen them turn it around and had 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: sluggish two or three game spots, But I don't think they're. 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: In a good spot right now. Where Colin was right. 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: I said week one, I said Ben Johnson's the right coach. 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: You can talk about Caleb, but what I see from 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, I see what I saw in Detroit. 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: He's going to clean it up. 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: The Bears are five and one in one score games, 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: and I don't think what I said as a revelation, 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: but it became very crystal clear by week two, three 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: and four that the identity of the team was not 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: going to beat Caleb. It was going to be Ben Johnson, precision, 50 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: a run game, and an interior old line that they 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: bought in the offseason. I've also always said young quarterbacks 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: are better with young offensive coaches. Once again, Lafleur with 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Love helped McVay with a young golf help. Ben 54 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Johnson with Caleb has become crucial where Colin was wrong. 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little tough on brock Party. I thought 56 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: he was great yesterday, having not played for a couple 57 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: of months. He and George Kittle are money together when 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: they connect. Kittle and brock Purty have a one forty 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: one career passer rating yesterday, three touchdowns accurate. They're able 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: to move the pocket, good in the red zone. Listen, 61 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: he adds mobility. I'm kind of tough on him, but 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: I thought yesterday he kind of blew me away. 63 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: Where Colin was right. 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: The one quarterback in the twenty twenty four class I 65 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: was skeptical of with JJ McCarthy, and I kept saying, 66 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: what's the wow trade, folks. He's got a sixty two 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: passer rating that's the worst of any starter in the league. 68 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: And Justin Jefferson is disappearing slowly and his body language 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: is telling you he's not taken it well. I just 70 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: think trust your eyes. Does a quarterback feel a little overwhelmed? 71 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: His body language, his feet. I think he's got a 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: good enough arm. I think he moves well enough. But 73 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: his misses are confidence misses, and I think that tells 74 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: you right now he's not sure of JJ McCarthy, and 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: he was the one quarterback I just didn't get. 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: And so far I'm right where Colin was wrong. 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: I didn't think Brent Venables was the best pick in Oklahoma, 78 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't think Oklahoma would be that great in 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: the SEC. I was wrong on both counts. They have 80 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: allowed the fewest points in the SEC. It's the mess 81 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: defense in the conference. Venables has created an identity. He 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: went and found a great quarterback. But I mean they've 83 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: beaten Bama back to back years and were the better 84 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: team and forced them into uncharacteristic mistakes. 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: So you know what, I. 86 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: Thought Texas would be the better of the two. Well, 87 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: big twelve teams going to the SEC. But I don't 88 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: know what Texas's identity is. I know what Oklahoma's is. 89 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: They are physical, they are tough. They got a little 90 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: bit of a Georgia field to him. And I was 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: wrong where Colin was right. I did not like Detroit 92 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: when Ben Johnson left, hiring somebody in the building. Make 93 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: it a global search. Well, the Lions defense. In three 94 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: of Detroit's losses, they've scored thirteen, seventeen, and nine points. 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: I'm sorry with that offensive line and those backs and 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: those receivers. 97 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: That's not good enough. 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: They're down in third down percentage, rushing, passing yards per play. 99 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: They're not even good on fourth down. 100 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: Right now, I think when you lose an elite coach 101 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: or a coordinator, don't just look inside the building. You 102 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: gotta go open your eyes up to every candidate in 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: the country. 104 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: I think I was right on that. 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: With Detroit, where Colin was right. I had said multiple 106 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: times this year. I had heard that Brian Kelly just 107 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to grind anymore, and he may have taken 108 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: that LSU. 109 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: Job for the money. 110 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: What do you know, Bruce Feldman reporting he cashed out, 111 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: spent more time golfing than around the building. I had 112 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: two people tell me in the last calendar year that 113 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: you know what, it happens, You get into your sixties 114 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: and you kind of lose the drive, and he didn't 115 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: really have it. That was an opportunity to make some money. 116 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: He's been a great coach. I don't necessarily hold it 117 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: against him. I hope it doesn't happen to me. But 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 1: what I had heard from two people I trust turned 119 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: out to be true, and Bruce Feldman's reporting doubled down 120 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: on that. 121 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: Colin Wright Colin Wrong. 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Listen Over Promised 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: with Covino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts. 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: Heard Hierarchy Time is now not go the top ten 153 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: NFL according to College Number ten. 154 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: I think arguably the most talented athletic team in the 155 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: league is Seattle, and I'll put them at ten because 156 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: they have the most giveaways in the league. But they 157 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: were going for a game winning kick against the Rams 158 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: in LA and they had four picks. They have the 159 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: best point differential in the NFC. They don't have a 160 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: real gap in their team other than the giveaways. JSN 161 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: is the highest gradded receiver according to PFF. They've allowed 162 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: the fewest sacks on offense. They got playmakers everywhere on 163 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. They can run it with power, 164 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: so if they get a lead, they can close out 165 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: the clock. They make too many mistakes, but they are 166 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: a great number ten team that was going for a 167 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: winning kick against the Rams on a day on the road. 168 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: They had four picks. Number ten Seattle, Number nine again 169 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Kansas City. 170 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: I like them. 171 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: They have the second most efficient scoring offense behind the 172 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: Colton Pro Football. 173 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: They're not good on the road. 174 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: They have struggled on the road because they're just not 175 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: talented enough. Now that Chris Jones is not playing in 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: an elite level, the defense isn't as intimidating. They're really 177 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: good and they've got a good coach. I don't think 178 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: Mahomes right now is playing like Josh Allen. But again, 179 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: I like their weapons. I like their team. If they 180 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: beat Indy, I think they're a playoff team. I think 181 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: this weekend's a big deal. I'm a little surprised they're 182 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: a three point favorite. I guess the game's at home. 183 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: But I have Kansas City at nine. 184 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: Number eight. 185 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: My coaching staff of the year in the NFL is 186 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: San Francisco. I don't know how Robert sala is doing it. 187 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: By the way, they're seven to zero when they hold 188 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: their opponents under twenty five. But Brock Purty, George Kittle, 189 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Jennings, here comes Ricky pearsall the bands back together, 190 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: and the old line has been better than I've given 191 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: it credit for. Again, they're a little Christian McCaffrey dependent. 192 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: Leads in yards, leads in carries, leads in catches. 193 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: But they're now healthy. 194 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: They're dangerous, and I think their coaching staff has been 195 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: doing it with smoking mirrors and now they've got like 196 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: elite player. 197 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: Back number seven Buffalo. 198 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they drive me crazy, but I will say this, 199 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: they lead the NFL in offensive touchdowns and they average 200 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: six point three yards of play, which is second in 201 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. And I think that matters a lot. Josh 202 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: Allen is playing at another level. Again, like San Francisco, 203 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: they can be one player dominant on offense. Don't trust 204 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: their defense. But I really believe in all the years 205 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: I've been new and hurt hierarchy, the difference between Seattle 206 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: and the number one team is about four points. 207 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: I'll put them at seven number six. 208 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: I think the Colts would beat him if they played, 209 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: probably in Indy, maybe not in Buffalo, but against the 210 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: number one scoring offense, only team in the league scoring 211 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: on over fifty percent of their drives. They have the 212 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: fewest punts in the NFL. They're off a by I 213 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: think Kansas City's gonna have their hands full. 214 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: I buy them. Now. 215 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: Do I think Daniel Jones presents a ceiling. Absolutely. We're 216 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: not in January today right now to top six roster 217 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I said it last year, and 218 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: I've said this about Cleveland. If you gave Cleveland a 219 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: really good coach, go look at Cleveland's roster. 220 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 5: They got dudes. 221 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: They got a lot of dudes. 222 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Indies roster is the elite and now they're getting competent 223 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: plus quarterback play. Number five the Ravens when Lamar plays 224 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: their average in twenty nine a game four game winning 225 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: streak since the week seven. By listen, their defense now 226 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: is healthy and playing better. They have playmakers on both sides. Again, 227 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: this hurd hierarchy, we're doing it. It's November, it's not January. 228 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: Do I trust them? 229 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 6: Then? 230 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: Know their next three. 231 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Games Jets, Bengals, Steelers, so the winning streak is going 232 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: to continue. Don't take too much out of a close 233 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: game against Cleveland Number one. Cleveland's defense at home is outrageous, 234 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: and it was a third straight road game. 235 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: I like this team a lot. Baltimore five, number four, but. 236 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: I think in a neutral field, I take the Patriots, 237 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: the only undefeated team on the road, three and one 238 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: against winning teams, an incredibly efficient team. Their defense in 239 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: nine straight games has held people to twenty three points. 240 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Are under Vrabel deserves credit. He went and spent almost 241 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars in free agency, but he's spent 242 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: it on character guys, defense, tough guys. 243 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: In physicality. They have an identity. 244 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: They're a tough, physical team where a quarterback that's completing 245 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: seventy two percent of his throw efficiency wins post Thanksgiving 246 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: New England. 247 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: Four number three. I don't know what to do with Philly. 248 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: They're not good with Lane Johnson's out, but they are 249 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: twenty four and three in their last twenty seven games, 250 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: and they're just dynamite in one score games. What are 251 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: you gonna say. Here's the thing that I like about them. 252 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: They have the best interior D line in the league, 253 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: and it made a huge difference again this weekend against Detroit. 254 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: You can't get fourth and one on them. They bat 255 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: down passes constantly. Opposing quarterbacks in the NFL complete fifty 256 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: six percent of their throws against Philadelphia, and it's because 257 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: they got good corners, active linebackers, and two duds on the. 258 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 2: Interior D line. Number two Denver, And. 259 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Again, what's the difference between Seattle and Denver if they 260 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: played tomorrow a point and a half. That's how close 261 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: this thing is. Listen, six of their seven games have 262 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: been decided like the Kansas City game on a drive. 263 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: Their offense has been held the one touchdown in back 264 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: to back games. But I do believe, and I said 265 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: it last year with Kansas City. 266 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: There is. 267 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: There are teams that are good in close games. Kansas 268 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: City last year was great and close game. Denver this 269 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: year is great and close games. I don't think it's 270 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: like fumbles that it's random. It usually comes down to 271 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: an elite play designer and play caller and a quarterback 272 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: who's good late in games on final drive. That was 273 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: Mahomes last year, that's Bonix this year. But they are 274 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: a heavily penalized team, so they beat themselves. They've got almost, 275 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: you know, nine hundred penalty yards and they've trailed in 276 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: all eleven games. 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 2: But you are what your record is. They're two number on. 278 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: The Rams are the. 279 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: Cleanest team in the league, second year in a row, 280 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: fewest penalties, They don't make any mistakes. They're Seattle without 281 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: the mistakes. They're Denver without the penalties. So I'm really 282 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: rewarding them. I don't think they're the most dynamic offense, 283 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: although I will say Devonte Adams is on a heater. 284 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: He is on a heater. He has become the touchdown guy, 285 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: not Puka. So I do think there is value in 286 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: the Rams not being as flashy or as a dynamic 287 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: as other teams. They don't get penalized. They don't turn 288 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: it over. You can't get the twenty seven points on them. 289 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: You can't get the twenty four points on him. That's 290 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: my top ten. And I think the difference between one 291 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: and eight, nine and ten is about four points. 292 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: And that's about it. 293 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: I think it's really I got green Bay at eleven. 294 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's I think green Bay struggling with our identity. 295 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: I have the Bears at twelve, green Bay at eleven. 296 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: Coin flip that they played tomorrow home team would win. 297 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 298 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: and noon Easter im Pacific. 299 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Fifteen years with the Giants, two times Super Bowl champ. 300 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: Phil Simms does some college stuff with the Believe Network 301 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: as well. Oh guy Phil Simms, Okay, I saw this story. 302 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 5: Oh. 303 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: Derek Gunn is a longtime reporter in Philadelphia, and he 304 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: was on the seth Joiner Show. And I was told 305 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: during the summer by an executive in the NFL who 306 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: I trust topped about him. He said, Jalen Hurts is 307 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: kind of beach to his own drummer. It's not Russell 308 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: Wilson Seahawks, but he's his own guy. He's not raw 309 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: raw go out beers after the game with the fellas. 310 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: He's not that guy. And there was a story Derek 311 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: Gunn reports this week is that he you know, he kind. 312 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: Of runs the offense. 313 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: He feels like running, and sometimes he frustrates coaches. And 314 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: so between what I heard in that he was just 315 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: saying is you know, there's some discomfort with Hurts. So 316 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: here's my question to you. Do you have to be 317 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: Brady chugging beers with a rookie? Do you have to 318 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: be Mahomes where everybody loves him or Peyton Manning would 319 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: go out to dinner with teammates. 320 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: To pick up the bill. 321 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: Do you have to be popular to be a successful. 322 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: Long term quarterback? No, of course you don't. 323 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 7: But it does help if you are popular and you 324 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 7: do certain things and blend in with the football team. 325 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 7: You know, and I know Jalen Hurts has taken a 326 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 7: lot of heat for being successful right now in the NFL. 327 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 7: And you know, two yes, is he a conservative player 328 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 7: without question, doesn't like to throw it over the middle, 329 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 7: doesn't want to throw into tight coverage and make those 330 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 7: type of throws. But also he's very careful and listen, 331 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 7: when you've got a defense like the Philadelphia Eagles. It's 332 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 7: not the worst thing that your offense is being very 333 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 7: careful not to turn the football over. It's a winning 334 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 7: formula for many teams. I kind of played that way. 335 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 7: I didn't mean to play that way, but it worked 336 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 7: out that way. When you got a good defense, why 337 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 7: are you out there trying to show everybody you can. 338 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 5: Score thirty and forty points? 339 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 7: And you know, I think we saw something from Dalen 340 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 7: Hurts last year. This same thing was going on, and 341 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 7: then what happens. He goes to the Super Bowl and 342 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 7: all of a sudden he becomes man, he becomes Tom 343 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 7: Brady and the Super Bowl wins the MVP. 344 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: So you had a year back in the eighties, you 345 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl and through twenty two picks. I 346 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: have always defended interception quarterbacks. I defend Elway, I defended 347 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers was one of the 348 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: first quarterbacks in my life that you got all the 349 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: upside and no picks. That thing used to I mean, 350 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: at the bottom line is throw the ball down the 351 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: damn field. 352 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't like dink and dunk guys. 353 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: So Darnald has Donald has nine games three plus picks. 354 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck had nine games three or plus picks. It 355 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: doesn't he may never He's not as good as Luck. 356 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: He may never win a Super Bowl. But I like 357 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: the fact that Sam tows a horrible pick and it 358 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: doesn't bother him at all. Where are you on interceptions, 359 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: quarterbacks bouncing off mistakes because Darnald had a stinker, but 360 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck had ten stinkers. 361 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a lot there. You know, I'll say this 362 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 7: right off the stuff. You know, I never had the 363 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 7: Giants in those years when we were really win the games. 364 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 7: They never said, you know, feel you got to be 365 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 7: a little more careful. You know, Parcelles was not that 366 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 7: kind of guy. He would not get too angry. I mean, 367 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 7: sometimes you get angry because I throw an interception. Go, well, 368 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 7: that might be the dumbest playof've ever made in my career. 369 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 7: But otherwise what you said is true, man, throw it 370 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 7: down the field. We want big plays. Big plays win games. 371 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 7: And then if I started checking it down too much, 372 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 7: he goes. He would yell at me and go, oh, 373 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 7: what are you worried? Sims about your completion percentage? And 374 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 7: you know, just go, hey, I'm just trying to move 375 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 7: us down the field and score right right. So yeah, 376 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 7: and Sam Darnald, I would just say this, we know 377 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 7: what happened in the last two games last year with him, 378 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 7: and then they's playing the game, he's playing against the 379 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 7: Rams and all that. Sometimes as a quarterback, you're only 380 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 7: you're first and you try to do this is I'm 381 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 7: not going to make that mistake today. Play it careful. 382 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 7: If the game is close, you're playing a really good team, 383 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 7: that's all right. 384 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 5: When the time comes. 385 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 7: There's going to be a big play in the game 386 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 7: where it's going to be easy for you to make. 387 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 7: And when you do that, it changes the narrative everywhere. 388 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 5: But I got to tell you. 389 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 7: Some of those interceptions that Sam Darnold through last week, Wow, 390 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 7: that's all I can say. 391 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 5: Wow. You know you've got to pull it back. Sometimes 392 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 5: you just can't. 393 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 7: You can't swing for the damn fences every time the 394 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 7: balls pitched to you. 395 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 5: And that's kind of what Sam Darnald. He did it. 396 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 7: I was really surprised, but I was also really surprised 397 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 7: about the type of interceptions they were. 398 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: So I used to believe that you got to give 399 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: a quarterback three years, but now they have private coaching 400 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: seven on seven summer drills. Kids throw ten thousand passes 401 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: by the time they're fourteen. So my take is not 402 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: three years. It is Thanksgiving of year two GM coach 403 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: coordinator go upstair, raise their hands. Do we draft again 404 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: or not? Do we extend eventually? So I have shortened 405 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: the timeline up. So I mean Josh Rosen got thirteen starts, 406 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel got seven or eight? What do you do 407 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy. This is a good tool belt, Phil 408 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Kevin O'Connell, great left tackle, Like 409 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: this is not you know, this is not a bad franchise. 410 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: This is not what Caleb got last year in Chicago. 411 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: How long do you give JJ McCarthy before you go upstairs? 412 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: Just sit in a room and raise your hand and say, guys, 413 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: we gotta go in another direction. 414 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 7: Well, you know he's going to get the rest of 415 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 7: the year. I watched that game this past weekend. I thought, Man, 416 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 7: if they had like a quality veteran backup, I think 417 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 7: they would have brought him in there. You know, JJ McCarthy. 418 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 7: You know, look, there's some things he does well. He 419 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 7: moves around well, he's got a strong arm, but he's 420 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 7: got one pitch, and that one pitch is I'm gonna 421 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 7: throw the damn thing as hard as I can. And 422 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 7: it doesn't matter if you're ten yards of twenty or 423 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 7: forty yards. I mean, he's a I think deep down 424 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 7: the field, you see it. He's a pretty good thrower. 425 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 7: But in the NFL, the game has really played from 426 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 7: let's just say the line of scrimmage, the fifteen yards 427 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 7: down the field, and you've got to be a machine 428 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 7: hitting those plays, and I haven't seen that from JJ 429 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 7: McCarthy and a lot of it. There's many things. I 430 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 7: think there are technique problems. I see people talking about 431 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 7: it all the time. Will tell me what it really 432 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 7: is and they can't do that. But it's the you've 433 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 7: got to hit all those routine throws, and that's one 434 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 7: of the biggest things I think hurts him and hurts 435 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 7: the football team right now. 436 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 5: And I'll give credit to the receivers. They're very good. 437 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 7: They're successful, and they're kind of biting their tongue and 438 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 7: they're not getting on the quarterback yet. But man, he's 439 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 7: got to pick up the way he plays. He's got 440 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 7: to become more accurate throwing the football. 441 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask you two questions because you 442 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: do college football stuff, and I'll get to Mendoz in 443 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: a second. I want to start with Shadora Sanders. I 444 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: thought he was a at worst mid to late second 445 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: round guy. The people I trusted in the NFL said, yeah, 446 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean he's mid second. They liked him as much 447 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: as Jackson Dart some more and he drops the fifth. 448 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: I then heard about him basically blowing the giant interview bad, 449 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: the legendary stuff all over his draft room, the speeding tickets. 450 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: Obviously some maturity issues there that I didn't know about. 451 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: He starts this weekend. Were you when you were doing 452 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: your college stuff the last few years, were you a 453 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: shedoer fan? Or did he run backwards too much? You 454 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: know there were signs he could be impatient. Where were 455 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: you on him coming out of college? 456 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 7: Well, you know, listen the fact that I don't look 457 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 7: at their stats and say, oh, he ran around too much. 458 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 7: Those are things you can really correct and very short time. 459 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 7: I did like him in college. Look, he looks to 460 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 7: me he plays really big on the field, as he 461 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 7: takes too many sacks and try to extend plays. Absolutely, 462 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 7: he did it last week when he came. 463 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: In the game. He did it. 464 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 7: He did it in college. But what there's many things here. 465 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 7: I think he'll play. Of course, I think everybody thinks 466 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 7: he'll play really well against the Raiders. The Raiders the 467 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 7: defense not that good. Kevin Stefanski when I watched him 468 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 7: over the years, go back to when Joe Flackel took 469 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 7: the team to the playoffs and all that they had 470 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 7: one of the best, if not the best, deep throwing 471 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 7: offense in the NFL. So many good designs as Stefanski's 472 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 7: really good at and you know what that fits shoulder. 473 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 7: He's another guy he would rather. He's good throwing the 474 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 7: ball deep down the field. He's a good short thrower. 475 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 7: But it's the in betweens that you worry about. And 476 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 7: I would be shocked, and I said this to somebody 477 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 7: working with you. I just said, if he's I believe 478 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: when they start the game this weekend, he'll be about 479 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 7: eight for ten out of the first ten throws because 480 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 7: they're going to give him screens, make sure it's easy, 481 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 7: get him involved in the game, and then as time 482 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 7: goes on, they'll open it up and give him and 483 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 7: do what he's probably best at, and that's get him 484 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 7: a little more protection and throwing the football deep down 485 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 7: the field. 486 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 5: I don't know if I answered you question, that's what 487 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 5: I think. 488 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Fernanda Mendoza played at Cold. The kid is 489 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: is supposed to be an unbelievable student. Yes, and at 490 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: Indiana and Cow. He's not playing with five star bam 491 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Ohio State guys. That's not what he's playing with. I 492 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: like that, by the way. I like college guys who 493 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: come out of Cow and see state yourself, smaller schools. 494 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not Georgia talent. It's like 495 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: middling talents that you got to throw open. I think 496 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: he separated himself in that Penn State drives. I watched 497 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: that drive and I thought, on the road, big pass rush, 498 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: Penn State's got elite defensive players, and right in the 499 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: teeth of it, he just threw Sunday throw, Sunday throw, 500 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: Sunday throw. I see potentially a really high end college kid. 501 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: What do you see? 502 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 7: I see it really high in college kid, big time, 503 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 7: and I mean, if you're phrasing about the pros, I 504 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 7: think he'll be a very successful quarterback in the pros. 505 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 5: I mean, he's tall. 506 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 7: I did their game against Iowa, probably the worst game 507 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 7: of the year for him. 508 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 5: But I didn't come away with it going, oh my gosh, 509 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 5: he played bad. 510 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 7: In fact, I came away and I said, all the 511 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 7: talents that you want to see in the NFL he. 512 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 5: Showed you on that field. He just makes great throws. 513 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 7: He's got a very compact motion, spends the ball, can 514 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 7: really drive it, and he's tough as hell. 515 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 5: And the other thing that really I like. 516 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 7: I like these college quarterbacks that are you playing somewhat 517 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 7: of a pro offense. 518 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I look at you, I. 519 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 7: Look at Indiana and man, they do the same damn 520 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 7: thing every week, and they might put a little dressing 521 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 7: to it sometimes. But I like everything about him. I 522 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 7: think some people worry, oh is it going to work? 523 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 7: Is he mobile enough? 524 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 5: Hey? 525 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 7: Man, When you're a quarterback like him who's been taught 526 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 7: so well and has the talent that he's going to 527 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 7: learn very quickly, Hey, the NFL is different, and I 528 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 7: think he'll be somewhat of an instant success, kind of 529 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 7: like Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, I mean, he played Lane Kiffin. 530 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 7: It's got so many pro looks to it and all 531 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 7: the experience, all those years and all those throws. It 532 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 7: translates to the NFL very quickly. It's not like Caleb Williams. 533 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 7: Caleb Williams was always in charge and now he's playing better. 534 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 7: Why because Ben Johnson is stepping on him and the 535 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 7: offense Fitzi and of course he's learning and everything. 536 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 5: So I do like Mendoza a lot. Colin. To answer 537 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 5: my question, what. 538 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: You just said is exactly what a top offensive coach 539 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: told me this week off air. He told me he said, 540 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: Indiana runs so many he'll be an easy quarterback to evaluate. 541 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: They run so much pro stuff that it's very obvious. 542 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: You'll know very he goes. This coach said, I watched 543 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: him a couple of times on TV. You can see 544 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: they're running pro stuff. He'll be an easy evaluation. Even 545 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: Mahomes out of the Big twelve, nobody knew if some 546 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: of that stuff was gonna work. Or like Josh Allen 547 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: at Wyoming, you're like, that's bad competition. I've been told 548 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: now that he'll be an easy comp That's a lot 549 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: of Sunday stuff, and you just echoed it. So you're 550 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: seeing the same thing my guy was yeah. 551 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 7: I you know, these college quarterbacks. When I'm bored, I 552 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 7: try to go through all these guys and just watch 553 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 7: them real quick and just seeing him in person and 554 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 7: talking to him. I mean, he's everything you want at 555 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 7: the professional level and being your quarterback. 556 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 5: The guy you know. 557 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 7: So you know it's hard on these young quarterbacks, which 558 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 7: like I've said before and probably said to you already, 559 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 7: and they we judge him too hard, too fast, and 560 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 7: you know, so we're seeing some of these guys in 561 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 7: the second year. 562 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 5: Kayleb Williams, he's the greatest example of all. 563 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 7: You know, he's coached differently, different offense and fitsing, and 564 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 7: you know, he's got pride and he's so he shows 565 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 7: that in the way he's playing, and it's I'm excited 566 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 7: just watching them, seeing Ben Johnson with him and how 567 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 7: they're doing it, and I know they're being tough on 568 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 7: him and he's he's taking it the right way and 569 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 7: it shows on the field as always. Philip's great seeing 570 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 7: you is that it well, it was twelve minutes. That's 571 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 7: how that's on my show. That's a big hit. 572 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: It is. 573 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 7: Okay, Hey, you know there's a couple of guys on 574 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 7: one one earlier bow Knicks. He's a man, okay, I 575 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 7: mean a man, and he does not even flinch what 576 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 7: he's playing the game there he is against Kansas City. 577 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 5: He's looking for the kill shot. 578 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 7: And of course he's coached by the guy that's right 579 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 7: with him and Davis Webbs there helping the quarterbacks. I mean, 580 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 7: that's just one these these young quarterback here a lot 581 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 7: of talk at all bone. 582 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 5: Nicks, this and that. 583 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, he might not be at the top of his 584 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 7: game yet, but he's he's finding a way to get there, 585 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 7: and I really I love watching him play too. 586 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: By the way, he is also aggressive. He's an aggressive 587 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: throw over the football. 588 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 7: Absolutely, he's not checked down, Charlie, let's put it that way. 589 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 5: And he did it against Kansas City. 590 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 7: So you saw that he's willing to do the right 591 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 7: thing and take a chance and not worried about if 592 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 7: he's going to be the goad or the hero, which 593 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 7: is pretty cool. 594 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: Good Senior, right, Good Senia, Thank you, Phil. 595 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 5: Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on j Mac. 596 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: Keep working on those arms, man, they're looking good. 597 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Anytime j Matt gets a chance to do the. 598 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: You know, the gun show. 599 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 6: These are an all natural I'm not doing steroids. 600 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your shirts are all is a little 601 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: tighter than mine. That's okay. 602 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: This medium is my favorite size. Be sure to catch 603 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern nin 604 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the 605 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 606 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 607 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 3: five to seven pm Eastern. 608 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. 609 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: We never have enough time to get to everything we 610 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: want to get. 611 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 4: To, and that's why we have a brand new podcast 612 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun 613 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: in our two hour show. 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And if Rich and I are arguing 623 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 4: about something or we didn't have enough time, it will 624 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 4: continue on our after show called over Promised. 625 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich make 626 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: sure you check out over Promise and also uncensored by 627 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a 628 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast 629 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: of all time. 630 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: There you go, over Promising, and remember you could see 631 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 4: it on YouTube, but definitely join us. Listen Over Promised 632 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 4: with Cavino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts 633 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts. 634 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up up It's Collins Blazon, fuck vikingsid Packers. 635 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Green Bay as a home favorite to 636 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: win and cover minus six and a half. This is 637 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: a about Jeff Hapley, green Bay's defensive coordinator. He has 638 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: built a very sound defense second fewest big plays surrendered 639 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: in the league, over at least one takeaway at least 640 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: one in five straight games. So this is about green 641 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: Bay at home, where everybody's defense is better at home 642 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: against JJ McCarthy, who I don't think in the face 643 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: of this defense play clean football. He's got multiple picks 644 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: in three or four starts. His completion percentage is under 645 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: fifty three percent this year. He is a quarterback that 646 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: needs to play with confidence and a lead. I don't 647 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: think he will. I'm gonna go with Jeff Hapley's defense 648 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: to create some offense. Packers win and cover. It's a lot. 649 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: It's a division game. Twenty eight to twenty Steelers at Bears. 650 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: The up and down Steelers are gonna lose. 651 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the Bears to win and cover minus 652 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: two and a half. Let's so, they've won seven of 653 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: their last eight games. Number two rushing offense. They don't 654 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: need big plays. Caleb does not throw a lot of picks, 655 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: and at home, he's a better quarterback at home. He's 656 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: only taken one sack in the last three games. In 657 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: his passer ratings mid nineties, he has been like a 658 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks. He's been better at home. The 659 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: Steelers Aaron Rodgers is banged up. They can't run the football, 660 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: and right now they've allowed twenty five plus points in 661 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: three of their four road games. So defenses, Cleveland's an example, 662 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh an example, tend to be better at home. I'm 663 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: gonna take the Bears to win and the Bears to 664 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: cover twenty seven twenty one coltsit Chiefs. I like the 665 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: over fifty and a half it's the two most efficient 666 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: offenses in the NFL, and the Colts are off a bye, 667 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: so you know Shane Steichen's going to have some tricks. 668 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: No two teams have punted less in the NFL than 669 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: the Colts and the Chiefs. And the Colts and their 670 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: opponents are averaging four to fifty three a game. 671 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: So I'm just going to take the over here. 672 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: And their defense in back to back games is a 673 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: little banged up, is giving up over twenty five a game. 674 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: The Chiefs average twenty nine at home. Mahomes has played 675 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: much better at home, and Kansas City is desperate. Don't 676 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: be shocked if the Chiefs don't have their performance of 677 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: the year off that Denver loss. I'm taking the over. 678 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a close game. Kansas City wins twenty 679 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: eight twenty four. Take the over fifty point five points. 680 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: Seahawks at Titans. I never take huge favorites. I'm breaking 681 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: my rule. 682 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: Seattle minus thirteen and a half at Tennessee. Tennessee's zero 683 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: to five at home. 684 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: Six of their. 685 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Losses are by over ten Seattle out gained the Rams 686 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: by one hundred and sixty five points, out played them 687 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: the final three quarters almost won. 688 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: With four picks. 689 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: They're a great road team eleven and two because defense 690 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: and running games travel. 691 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: Seattle does both well. 692 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: Sam Darnol despite the picks, PFF has him ranked number two. 693 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: Tennessee's atrocious worst point differential in the league. 694 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: They do nothing right. 695 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: I think the locker room may be lost at this point. 696 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: I hate taking huge favorites. Seattle wins and covers thirty 697 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: one to thirteen. 698 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: Panthers at forty nine ers. 699 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna take Carolina plus seven. They've won three 700 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: straight on the road. Bryce Young is six and four 701 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: if you're not watching, and actually he's had back to 702 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: back games completing sixty eight percent of his throws. And 703 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: the Niners defense is a mess. It's all beat up. 704 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: Robert Salla is doing it with smoke and mirrors. They 705 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: are just depleted. And I'll tell you this, the Niners 706 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: are a weird team. Go look the last year, year 707 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: and a half how they've played after wins. Some of 708 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: their worst games have been after they win, and you 709 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: think they're gonna get momentum. The defense has the fewest 710 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: sacks in the NFL this year. So Bryce Young, who's 711 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: been on good on the road, playing with momentum, is 712 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: gonna have time to throw. 713 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 2: I think it's close. 714 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: I think San Francisco, probably at home, finds the way 715 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: to win. Also, the Niners, despite having Christian McCaffrey, are 716 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: not running the ball particularly well. Eight of their eleven 717 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: games under one hundred yards rushing. I'm gonna take seven points. 718 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: I think Carolina is one of those teams that people 719 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: aren't giving the credit to them because they've been so 720 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: bad and so dysfunctional. Carolina can go toe to toe. 721 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: Carolina won at Lambeau. Carolina plus seven number does not 722 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense to me. I'm gonna take 723 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: the points. I think it's a game that goes to 724 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: the very end. I'll take the home team. There you go, Jamax, 725 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: anything you like or dislike, vehemently. 726 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 6: Like the Seahawks, sort of like the Bears, sort of 727 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 6: like the Packers. I don't know about the Panthers column. 728 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 6: There is some, uh, there's some juice behind this Niners 729 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 6: offense right now. I don't think the Panthers can hold 730 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 6: him down. Yeah, I would lean Niners in that one, 731 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 6: But overall, hey, you're hot? 732 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 2: What can I say? 733 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 5: I mean? 734 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 6: We did both go five and oh last week. Yeah, 735 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 6: I don't hate your picks. I'm surprised you didn't weigh 736 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 6: in on the Cheduur Bowl scheduur and against the Raiders.