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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. You mentioned artificial intelligence, So there is

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Speaker 2: a way of utilizing using AI without jeopardizing or risking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the common approach to AI in its current manifestation, right,

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Speaker 3: the current manifestation of AI are these large language models

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Speaker 3: like chat GPT that people are familiar with. We're not

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Speaker 3: at the terminator level or anything like this, and I

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Speaker 3: understand and fully appreciate people's skepticism about it. In fact,

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Speaker 3: that's what we talk about. But yes, if you're using

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Speaker 3: chat GPT. Well, the company Open AI a few months

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Speaker 3: ago they hired the former director of the NSA on

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Speaker 3: their board of directors, So Richard, that kind of tells

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Speaker 3: you what they think about your privacy. So it's a

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Speaker 3: total black box with a lot of these big tech companies.

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Speaker 3: You don't know where your data is going. You can

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Speaker 3: just assume that it's being collected, right, And they also

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Speaker 3: do a lot of censorship so that you can't ask

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Speaker 3: certain questions, you can't generate certain images on the art

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Speaker 3: based AIS. And so we have you know, part of

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Speaker 3: part of our course is showing you how you can

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Speaker 3: install these, download these on your own computer, the open

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Speaker 3: source versions, and you can use them without even connecting

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Speaker 3: to the internet. So it's a really cool way of

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Speaker 3: making use and understanding these tools, which are pretty useful.

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Speaker 3: Even if you just want to understand how they work.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly possible to do that. And you know, of

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Speaker 3: course that is our at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: self sufficiency, self hosting, open source stuff. And yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's kind of our model when it comes to not

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Speaker 1: That we do.

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Speaker 2: So, how do you protect your privacy in the let's

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Speaker 2: call it the digital age, And what do you suggest

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Speaker 2: for other people? Like, let's start with I mean, you're online,

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Speaker 2: a digital footprint. Walk us through I don't know, four

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Speaker 2: or five really important steps we can make to safeguard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so number one, don't be a podcaster, but don't

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Speaker 3: everyone else. So that's fine. But what I typically tell

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Speaker 3: people Richard to start with is just start being aware

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Speaker 3: of some of the systems around you start being aware

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Speaker 3: of when somebody's asking for an email address or your ID,

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Speaker 3: or the moments where you give away data all the time,

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, like you go to the airport and they say, here,

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Speaker 3: step in front of the facial recognition, Well, just ask them,

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Speaker 3: is this mandatory? Oftentimes it's not. You go to a website,

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Speaker 3: do you really have to create an account? Well? Maybe not, right,

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Speaker 3: And so it just starts with an awareness of all

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Speaker 3: So that's just kind of the mindset I would encourage

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Speaker 3: everybody to get and learn a password manager. And what

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Speaker 3: So all those logins that you have, that you have

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Speaker 2: But then when you go out into the world, out

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Speaker 2: in you know, Beijing, Communists China. I mean, it's inescapable,

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Speaker 2: isn't it that you're going to be surveilled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in London. The UK seems to have taken

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Speaker 2: And what about the advent of digital IDs? And I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we have to consider any of

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Speaker 3: So we're the masters here, and we can choose to

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Speaker 3: So I own a lot of things, mostly for testing.

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Speaker 3: Paul Start said, this is certainly true. So a lot

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Speaker 3: and I don't think that's at all the case. And

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Speaker 3: it's not the case because there's all the all of

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Speaker 3: the next things that you might Richard. You can stop those, right,

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Speaker 3: you can stop piling on. And it's not as if

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Speaker 3: Have all of your your your folders, your files, and

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Speaker 3: then with your password manager, you have all of your

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Speaker 3: I have an account. Here, here's the information I gave

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Speaker 3: to say, hey, I didn't realize I still have this account.

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Speaker 3: Why don't I go in and purge this account, delete

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Speaker 3: the data, maybe give some fogus data can be useful sometimes,

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Speaker 3: and just delete this account entirely. Let me go into

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Speaker 3: my email and just start unsubscribing from all these newsletters

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Speaker 3: and you know, kind of have this cleansing, cleansing pursing ritual.

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Speaker 3: And once you start from there, you start having your

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's too late. And you know, we're

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Speaker 3: all we're all starting from somewhere. I was using a

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Speaker 3: So just start where you are, don't you know, don't

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Speaker 3: to give up to too much convenience to live this

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Speaker 3: most part. So it's not some gloomy future. It's actually

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Speaker 3: I'm on an operating system that isn't surveying me. Right,

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Speaker 3: I'm using Linux, and I'm using programs and apps that

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Speaker 3: all in control of my data. It's really a peaceful

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