WEBVTT - Steve Smith Sr. 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.760 First of all, costing me about eight hundred and fifty 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.640 six thousand dollars. That's gonna cost you. I'm backhander because 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.639 he was behind me that I was not new all 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.079 my life and running all my life. Sacrifice hustle back price. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.079 One slice got the browner dice to swath all my life. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.000 I've been grinding all my life, all my life and 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.600 running all my life. Sacrifice, hustle back to prices. One 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.760 a slice got the brother dice to swatty all my life. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.960 I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome to another 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.280 edition of Club Shashay. I am your whole Shannon Sharp. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.320 I'm also the propriud of Club sha Shake. And the 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.880 guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink is 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.960 a sixteen year NFL bet, a five time pro bowler, 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.360 a three time All Pro Comeback Player of the Year 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.919 in two thousand and five, and an NFL Triple Crown 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.320 runner led the league and catches touchdowns and yards. Steve 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.760 Smith c smitty, ain't little Steve Smith spitty spitty? How 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.760 you doing run? I'm good? Now you're doing better than good? Yeah? 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.560 What's the day like the Steve Smith? Now wake up 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.520 at depends. I'm I'm a morning person. Okay, so I 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.400 can you play in the NFL? You gotta be on 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.600 a morning person. Yea, that's not true. I know some 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.680 guys that were morning person. How they make it? Make it? 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.119 I get up, you know six seven o'clock. I watched 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.760 a little TV. Okay, Uh catch you catch you rerunning 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:34.560 and seeing catching up, also deciding and have an internal dialogue. Uh, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.440 we're gonna run outside. We're gonna get on the peloton 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.080 treadmill to bike. Then there take take my dog for 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.520 a walk feeder, may work out with my oldest or 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.200 well one of my one of my kids. Uh see 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.240 what's going on? Uh? Got a foundation and some businesses 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.640 in Charlotte go down, got in my office downtown, uptown 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.760 and Charlotte. So do some of that stuff and and 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.720 let the day uh take me high. It'school. As an 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.280 NFL analyst, obviously you have you talk about the games 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.160 every week. How much film do you actually watch? How 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.919 much game do you actually watch? I watch a lot 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:10.520 of game. I watch a lot of film. I take 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.480 a lot of notes. I allow I try to allow 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.160 the game to talk to me too. I create my 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.200 opinion about someone or something or about that team based 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.760 on the game each week and collectively, and I may 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.720 see something earmarket and then come back to it, especially 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.119 if I have a game. I'm watching a team this 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.840 week against another prominent team, but also maybe have to 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.560 watch these two different teams or someone else again, so 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.960 I'll check to see have they improved, have they dropped. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.480 So you know, I'll do a little bit of everything, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.040 but mainly letting the game talk. Obviously, you watch the game, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.080 but you probably have a little a preference towards watching 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.960 the receivers because that's the position that you played. If 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.880 I would to say, it's maybe give me your top 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.240 five receivers. And if I said, you got a draft, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.480 you can only get one. Who you're taking? Give me 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.320 a top five? If you get a draft you could 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.000 take one. Well, this is probably an answer that you're 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.160 not gonna expect. Okay, who's my quarterback? First of all, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.200 I'll give you you could have. Okay, who you want 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.840 to be your quarterback? Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes. 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.720 Who do you want to be the quarterback? Somebody that 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.640 can has a fast processing system. Okay, So I'll give 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.120 you any of the I'll say, you can have Tom Brady, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.920 or you want Brady, you want Rodgers, or you want Mahomes. Well, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.720 I played in Carolina, so I'll take all of it. No, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:39.160 no offense to Jake. I love Jake. Okay, okay, so 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.600 you got one of those top quarterbacks. Now give me 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:46.760 your top five receivers, top five receivers currently right now. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.040 I gotta you know I'm biased. I gotta go with 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.880 a guy whose cups always full. Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:04:04.080 Give me DeAndre Hopkins, hop me o b J. Still, yeah, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.800 I'm surprised. I'm surprised, not because I don't I know 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:12.520 what he represents, but the injuries and its injured again 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.400 that you still believe that he's the top guy. It's 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.400 just my listen, Yo, Liz, I'm just saying. I'm just 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.840 saying that. Jo lis Hey, I just say it. All right, Well, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.479 I picked OBJ, but he's gonna, we're gonna you're making 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:30.040 me change. Nobody names me. I'm light skinned. I'm playing 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:37.400 a big guy. Okay, Okay, man, that's uh. I'll take 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.200 any of those boards in Tampa Bay. You can't go 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.880 wrong with either one of 'em. Right, you want Evan's 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.960 Godwin give me god one just because he ever is 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.320 a tall guy, he gets too much credits. Okay, you 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.120 know I got, I got a rep for the small people. Okay. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.320 And then I mean it's that if you leave O 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:04.359 b J. That's four okay, four DeVante Adams Okay. I 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.040 was I was wondering how how long before you got Davante. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.560 But the guy that I'm surprised by that you didn't pick, 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:15.719 it's kind of your side. It's Tyreek. Hmm. I like Tyreek. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.880 I'm gonna give you some choices, and you tell me 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.640 who's the best wide receiver under the age of twenty five. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:28.120 You got Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Ceedee Lamb A. J. Brown, 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:33.800 Jalen Waddle, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Jerry Judy, give me 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.640 the best and give me your top give me give 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.479 me your top four wide receivers twenty five. Well, I 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.520 don't know about DK, just because you don't know the 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.920 quarterback situation out there, all right. And then at the 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.560 same time, when they go to uh when even when 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.920 Russell Whistle was there, when they needed a big play, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.200 who they go to Tyler Locke. Then if they go 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.159 to someone else, to the other if they go to 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.719 the wishing well and it's not you, and guess what, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.680 You're not the guy. Sorry, I'm just being honest. So 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.960 I think he's I mean, he walks through the door 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.200 physically gifted. But uh, the short guys who they go 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.880 to when they need a big play? Uh, dk Is 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:18.760 is robbing Tyler's batman. Okay, Justin Jefferson outstanding. Uh, he 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.040 gets he's he has a cheek hold a little bit 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.600 because he has Adam feeling out there trying to tell 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.719 him everything. You have the athleticism. He's also a great 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.760 kid as well a sponge. He also was a Kubiak's 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.240 Clint Kobyak slash Gary Koubiak's offense. In that offense, there's 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:39.280 one receiver that will alwaysy the second receiver. You can 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.359 eat two, but you just gotta you just gotta know 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.560 what you're doing. Ye who else? I mean I can 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.279 break off this Jamar Chase and love him. Uh. He 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.400 has a stellar quarterback. His offensive offensive minded coach understands 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.039 getting him the ball. Uh. They understand that he'll be 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.960 a guy that plays for a long time. Has speed 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.200 but also has the ability to run exceptional robs at 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.559 such a young game. You likee Lamb, I like ceedee Lamb. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.560 I'm not really keen on hearing Jerry Jones put that 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.800 pressure and say he's a better version of Amari Cooper 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.920 because Amary Cooper was a Mary Cooper. You knew who 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.000 Mary Cooper was, where you paid him. You can't get 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.280 mad at Mary Cooper because he's the same person that 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.160 showed up. He's a quiet kid. He's gonna he's gonna 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.800 bring us lunch pail, but he's not really gonna get dirty. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.240 That's never been him and it's and it's nothing against him, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.760 right right. That's why at the time Oakland traded him 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:36.680 because he just was not the lunch rod. Gotta have 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.880 football his life or deathinitely, Yeah, and it is. You 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.520 can't be disappointed. That's your fault for not doing your 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:49.920 due diligence. A. J. Brown. He's a physical specimen. I 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:56.680 think his last receiver group really stunted his growth in Tennessee. Uh, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.960 the whole room. I think there was some some exam 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.720 amples that should have been better examples than weren't. H 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.240 He he is a dynamic receiver and I think he's 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.520 gonna play well in Philly. Also think he just needs 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.280 to come out and say, look, he left for more money. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.480 End of the day. Ain't no wrong with that. You 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.960 got Dj Moore? I loved I love what he's playing. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.760 Not really, I'm not really sure how it's gonna work 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.920 out over at all, but I like DJ Moore and 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.720 he's also he's he's a kind of like uh like Coop. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.800 He's not really a right rock guy. And he'll play, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.240 he'll show up, he'll do us football his life or 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.200 death for him, but he's just not a right rock guy. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.640 Y'all might get Baker maybe, I know. I hear that. Yeah, 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.920 I gotta just if that's my squad, whether you like 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.240 it or you gotta ride with him, even if you 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:53.520 gotta close, y'ut I do. I've been killing Baker man, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:59.240 I've been killing But here's why. Though quarterbacks get too 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.600 much glory for the win and they get to blame 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.439 everybody else for the lost. Yeah, you know, I listen, 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.160 I guess I'm just as a wide receiver. I just 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.160 go to bath for the wide receivers. Right, that wide receiver, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.559 that wide receiver could be dead wrong, he could be 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.080 They can have him on camera sneaking into the house late. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.680 They can have his key card in his hotel room, 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.560 saying that he was not there, curfew. I'ma say, Nona, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:33.560 he was there. It wasn't him. You know, you stick together. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.439 I didn't ask you a question because this is the 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.680 problem that I wrote into. Okay, when I talk about players, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.400 if you were a good player, not obviously you're coming 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.160 up for the Hall of fame. Not being in the 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.200 Hall of Fame and have it won people take what 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:53.040 I say. Yeah, so let's let's let's let's let's stay. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.040 I know what you're getting at now. Some of the 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.400 young guys have said things about me, saying that I'm 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:03.080 throwing shap right. Right, let's let's break down shade. You know, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.880 shade is generally when the sun hits a well established tree, Okay, 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.720 and that tree must be established by having deep roots. Right, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.760 So as you you see what I'm getting, a baby 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.920 tree must be shaded by an oak tree, right, something 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:24.120 that has a substantial, good deep roots. Right. Davante Adams 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.559 can't throw shade on him because he's a deep root 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.480 of tree. Right. Some of these young boys need to 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.640 understand their baby trees, right. They still anchored in by 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:38.360 rope because with bad so they can start to grow sideways, okay, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.200 or it can dwarf. They're growing, right, So these young 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.480 the young guys, I understand, but it's not shade. It's 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.600 really understanding. We've seen and grind it out and understand 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.040 how to play ball. And we also know the game 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.880 has changed. Its changing a good way, right, right. Anytime 0:10:55.960 --> 0:11:00.040 guys are getting paid, that's a good thing advancement. But 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.120 we have to do our jobs. And sometimes guys believe 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.719 that we have a personal VanDette or or I had 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.480 a conversation with a guy that I asked him that 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.440 I won't say, is what do you have that I 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.480 don't What if you experience that I have not experienced. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.760 You got a girl or a wife, I have one, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.640 beautiful You have children. I have children, actually I have 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.439 I've grown trump some of my children with their I 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.640 just combined still can't rent a car in New York 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.560 and the state of New York. Some of the teams 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.880 at their own I don't want to be on your team. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.320 Team is very good. I don't want to be in 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.880 your market, right, And so I understand to a certain degree, 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.800 But then there's a part of where some of them 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.320 are a little bit sensitive. Yeah right, now, all you hate? Yeah, bro, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.119 why am I hating? I'm all I'm saying. I'm critiquing 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.760 what I've seen you do in the game time and 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.720 time again. And also, like Utui Hill what he said lately, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:03.679 I find it interesting because one, he's applied a lot 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.200 of pressure on to but also when I look at 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:14.839 his highlights, Trekio is a fancy, he's cheetah. He runs 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.760 faster than anyone I've known, that wide receiver. However, when 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.000 I look at his highlights, and I'm not speaking out 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.760 of hate, I'm speaking out of my own insecurities and understanding. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.400 When I haven't gotten the ball for a long time, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.240 You know how I catch the ball without my hands 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.599 by the kitchen. Yes, yeah, he's not. He's not a 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:34.480 This is not and this is not a knock. But 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.679 he's not a natural catcher of the ball. No, no, no, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.440 he's not a peer. Yeah, hand it's catcher now, and 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.120 you don't have to be when you have that amount 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.800 of speed. Yeah, you may getting a lot of ball 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.400 in your body because you gonna be so wide open. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.600 But when that speed leaves and you don't have the 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.120 but when it speed leads, he's still gonna be top two, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.160 top three receivers in leagues, I hope. So, I just 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.400 know there's a lot of guys who want their athleticism 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:03.080 starts to leave them. Their numbers declined dramatically. Well, I 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.160 think what even rude to Wiggan for I don't think he, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.400 when you play with a greade, went from the top. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.199 He went from the fifth house to them. But he 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.480 doesn't understand Smitty. You know a lot of these guys 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.040 don't understand that. They don't understand how valuable the quarterback is. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.640 They think, oh, I can put up these numbers. Well, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.880 the only guy that I've seen put up numbers regardless 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.680 who the quarterback is, is is the Hope. That's the only guy. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.880 All these other guys you had Brady, you had Rogers, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.120 you Matt Home, Now you got Herbert, you got Joe 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.079 Burrow and things of that nature. De hop can can 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.400 honestly say, brug y'all see what we're throwing to me 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.440 in Houston before I got this shown. But it's also 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.240 a good system as well. So you gotta have a 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.560 good system as well. You can't you can't have you 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.960 can't have negative everything and still prevailed. That just doesn't 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.000 happen when you look at the money that these guys 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.880 wide receivers are getting. I love it. I tell my 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.640 mom why you couldn't wait five years? You couldn't wait 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.560 ten years? I mean, I mean twenty five, yet you 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.560 twenty four? Yeah right, you couldn't wait until you thirty. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.440 I think it's fantastic. You know. I don't have a 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.360 problem with it, you know. I think it's it advances 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.319 the game. If you're not advancing, then you're digressing. So 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.520 I think it's I think it's good. Lamar Jackson, he's 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.400 working as he's He and his mom are their own 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.000 representatives in this situation. You see what Deshaun Watson got 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.520 two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed. Deshaun has never been 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.600 a league's MVP. Lamar has been the league's MVP. He's 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.240 been a league MVP nasally, What do you think is 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.240 going to What is Lamar thinking? What are the Ravens thinking. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.440 I think the Ravens want to resign him. I think 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.440 Lamar wants to be resigned as well. I believe that 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:50.400 there's a disconnect somewhere somehow. My only complaint is if 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:57.360 you are going to pay that amount of money, I think, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.000 you know, I think Baltimore needs to have a better 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.160 or offense that that's a little bit more creative, that 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.240 pushes the ball outside of the hashes. I don't know 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.640 why I used to think it was great Roman, I 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.560 thought it was this. I just think I believe to 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.880 be competitive against their Justin Herbert, against their Patrick Mahomes, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:24.400 Joe Joe Burrow. I guess we gotta throw two it 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.200 in there because they have all of those thoroughbrands out 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.840 there in Miami. And obviously last Thursday last year and 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.320 Thursday night, the Baltimore Ravens did not farewell against the 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:40.160 Miami Dolphins last year. So I just believed to to 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.240 pay a guy, you know, a quarter of a billion dollars. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.640 You gotta be able to process, You gotta be able 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.280 to put the ball where it needs to be. You 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.160 gotta This is a throwing league, right. I'm a receiver, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.320 so I always speak from this perspective. I don't like playing. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.240 I don't like watching offenses or being on offense that 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.080 looks like the Wayne Tea. I'm just I'm just not four. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.160 But with Lamar outstandings. He's when you offer a critique, 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.200 and the critique that I've offered the Lamar is that 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.400 Adams don't think he throws the ball consistently accurately enough. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.120 I'm not. That's not it's not saying that he can't 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.320 throw the ball. I didn't say he can throw the ball. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.920 I just their offense is different. But you want to 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.920 put him in the offense like Rogers. I mean, don't 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.440 you have to put him an offin that's fits his 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.600 skill set? I don't know. I think his skill set. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.280 I think his skill set is he's a quarterback. If 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.520 he's not a quarterback, then put him out a different position. No, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.760 he's a quarterback, but all quarterbacks in my career illegal, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.520 you're a man, but all man that are at six 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:42.240 two six five eight. But that's correct. So what so what? What? 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.880 What do we get yet? I'm getting that? What? Okay, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.480 what's the idea. You're the offensive coordinator? You got Lamar Jackson, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.720 tell me what you're gonna do. I'm gonna feed my 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:57.400 wide receivers. I said, you're gonna feed the wide receiver. Yes, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.880 Bakerman can play yeah, oh yeah, I think you play 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.280 porche I can tell you right now, Porchet is a 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.159 dynamic wide receiver. He's working on this game. I've seen him. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.800 He's a guy that because of the draft picks, didn't 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.560 play a lot last year, was a healthy scratch. I've 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.280 seen him make some catches and practice and training camp. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.760 I believe he's they're most well rounded wide receiver on 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:27.120 the squad. Okay, but he relies here with On Andrews. Andrews, isn't. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.920 I mean, you can never go wrong with a number 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.800 eighty nine. So it's been having played sixteen years in 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.600 the league. Obviously we have a family because you came 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.240 in with a different, very different situation. If I'm not mistaken, 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.760 you even was married or close to being married. So 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.719 that's that's very unique. So you had already established, as 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.719 you mentioned earlier routes. I got a family, had a kid. Also, right, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:56.800 you're old, so you came in already. I got a wife, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.520 I got a kid, I got responsibilities. So you're looking 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.399 at things a lot differently than a lot of these 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.320 guys that's coming into the league twenty twenty one years 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.040 of age that does not have the foundation that you had. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.080 What if someone were to ask you that went into 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.960 the twenty twenty two draft, Steve, how were you able 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.160 to stay so grounded? What made you so certain that 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.800 in college she's the right woman, She's the one that 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:27.280 I want to build this with. But that's interesting because 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.879 if you ask my wife, she wouldn't say that I 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.919 gave her that that comfort, that comfort of that I 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.159 wanted to build a future with my wife. There are 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.639 some mistakes and some things that that you know, I 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.600 just talk about it with my boys that you gotta 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.560 be prepared and be ready to step up and do 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.119 the things that you need to that that that's a 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.360 that of family needs UH have to be Emotionally there, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.560 I struggle with some of the things I experienced growing 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:06.080 up here in La I just I struggle internally with understanding, 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.840 really is what does a man bring to the table. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.160 It's not sex, it's not money, but what things are emotionally? 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.359 Can you you provide? And at forty three years old 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.640 now I'm finally connecting the dots to see that it's 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:30.400 not provided. Basically, I provided financially and a roof over 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:36.199 my family's head, but emotionally they were bankrupt, and so 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.280 understanding figuring that out and understanding what each one of 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.679 my family members, my wife, what she needs from me? 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.520 How how can I show up for her every day? 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.200 How can I show up for my daughter? How can 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.520 I lower my daughter and make and set that standard 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.919 for my daughter that she's not looking Not that she is, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.840 but she's not looking for the boyfriend to be there 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.240 because her dad I was there, just what the dad was. Yeah, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.480 So just trying to, you know, figure it out myself 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:10.600 and no longer blind leading the blind, more of leading 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:16.680 from the front, and that's sometimes also leading from the back. Right, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.600 also asking my wife, hey, what do you think about 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.439 this instead of saying, oh, this is my house and 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:28.240 I know made money, I do this. Yeah, when you 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.560 the sacrifices, obviously to be a great player, there are 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.440 a lot of sacrifices that must be made. You got 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.280 film study, you gotta go early, you got to stay late. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.560 You're gonna miss some recitals, You're gonna miss some soccer practice. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.280 How do you how do you job? How do you find? 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.480 I really need to be there, but I really need 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.639 to be I need to be a top dog. And 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.320 in order for me to be the top dog, baby, 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.200 you're gonna have to go to pta by yourself tonight. Well, 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.639 there are sometimes if any other job, you know it, 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.439 if I wasn't a football player and I was a banker, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.480 you know those there are bank hours, right, I'm trying 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.720 to find that, trying to find that balance. There were 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.119 times where I couldn't make events, but then there were 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.160 times an offseason that we did stuff. But being there 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:20.200 physically and then mentally being somewhere else that you can 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:25.119 get you can get caught really going hey, hey, hey hello, 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.680 you know, staring off and like even we talked with 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.560 physically there, but that's necessarily mentally. Yeah, there were times 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.159 where during the season my wife would say, on I 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.679 can tell his game time because by Friday, you know, 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.119 families tiptoeing around, you know, walking on eggshell. So just 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.960 trying to balance it. And I think for a lot 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.320 of my career, if I'm being honest, just extremely transparent 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:57.320 an honans, I really I struggle with some things. I 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:03.520 really I had performance anxiety. Right, I did not really 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:08.760 know myself and I'm just learning myself now for the 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:13.919 lot probably about the last year, really understanding you know, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.600 when you're having a bad day, like actually the deeper 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:22.800 why I am I'm grumpy today. Why am I irritated today? 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.879 It's not that that I am irritated, it's the purpose 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.439 on the why, the deeper meaning and realizing some of 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.480 that is just not being able to figure it out 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.000 and know myself and why and how and processing things. 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.600 So it's it's been, it's been unique. I think early 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.919 on you were really misunderstood because people have thought you 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.040 had angry issues. You got into a few scuffles early 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.520 in your career. Was it because like you looked at 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.520 it like I know, everybody's like, I'm a grown man, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.960 but you were really a grown man. And since I 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.800 got a wife, I got a kid, so I see 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.520 things differently. All this joking the Kiki kid you'd been 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:03.720 doing with the hallboy. See, I know you, see, I 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.399 know you like that. You keep you keep you into it. 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.200 You will keep killing into a two piece. And I'm 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:16.639 not talking about I'm not talking about KFC. So on 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.919 the situation, and people don't remember there's a situation. I 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.359 think it was a receiver and you had dropped it. 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.679 When you dropped the pass, I'll go through, go go 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.840 through this this first of all, costing me about eight 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.439 hundred and fifty six thousand dollars. That's what it costs me. 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:32.840 It's takes me a while. The first I ever kind 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:37.280 of mentioned yeah, And so what happened. There was a 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.760 guy we came in our rookie year together. It was 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:43.240 a fast guy. He played an arena league, and it 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.040 was just competition. And for me, competition. I didn't have 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:53.280 healthy habits and competition. So when you say if we competition, 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:58.400 we folds right, You know, we ain't. We both Carolina, 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.800 but we're in the same team because you're trying to 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:06.320 get my job right. And so we were playing and 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.080 Musa and Muhammad's running the film, and so we were 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:13.720 we were used to grade ourselves and Dan Han's offensive coordinator, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.160 so we're grading ourselves and the guy says, he's sitting 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.040 right behind me, be sitting in our chairs in our 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:23.320 receiver room, and we as add a few run in 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.439 earlier that year. So it was basically he didn't like me. 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.600 I didn't like him. It was it was a known fact. 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.280 So normally in a situation like that, you kind of 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.560 boid each other your teammates. But I'm really fooled with you. 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.919 You don't follow me, son, I'm gonna let you if 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.359 I don't like you. Yeah, so but you but you aboid. 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:41.800 If I don't like you, I'm gonna let you know 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:45.199 I have a disdain for you. So he he and 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.960 you should avoid each other to keep conflict down. So 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:52.359 I grew up in conflict, but he ain't growing. He 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.520 was from Florida too, So I didn't like that either. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:02.000 He'll being from Florida, y'all two different coasts exactly. I 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:06.280 grew up in a tupac, you know, Biggie right, he's 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.160 cos West coast, right, Okay, finished finished story, and so 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.840 we so we're in a meeting, real mood, and he 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:14.960 says it was a pass that I think I called 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.320 it and dropped a fumble. He goes run that back. 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.560 So what does Moose do back? He ran it back, 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.040 and so he says, man, I don'tbody care about what 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:33.400 she said. And it just it hit me the wrong way. 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:37.320 I was already embarrassed. I didn't play well. Right, that 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.440 was about me. It wasn't about him, right, if I'm 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.600 being honest, straight up. And so when he did that, 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.600 and I'm not justified, I'm not trying to make it 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.280 a joke, but I responded in a very immature way 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:52.919 and also responding in a way I was grew up. 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.040 If you don't like somebody, you just and you don't 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.040 have you don't really have respect for somebody. So a 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:04.520 backhand him because he was behind me, and so on 0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:08.159 our back end him hit him in a face and 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:13.760 we turned around and he charged me that I was 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.239 a buy news and so it was so we had 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:21.680 a fight. I mean it, he swung and we've gotten 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.920 a fight. And then I was in and then obviously 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.440 you got spending with two games. I got spending two 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:32.640 games and then uh he uh he had to get surgery, 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.639 and uh he pressed charges and I you know, I 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:42.159 turned myself in and I was charged and I had 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:45.800 to do a defer prosecution. I think it was two 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:51.760 or three years of probation. Good see kasling management. I 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.439 was already I was already had started counseling. After that, 0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:59.359 you you knew what you had to you that you 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:01.879 needed to d Yeah, but I I didn't know I 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.919 had issues because for me, that's how I grew up. 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.040 That was the norm, right, right, I grew up when 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:11.560 you had a problem, you found you you fixed it 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.680 with your fists. Right. So that's what I was. That 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.280 was the standard. People say, oh, that's not everybody. Everybody 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.240 doesn't live the same way. Everybody's not raised the same way. 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.760 And so that's how I was raised, and it was, 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.040 it was. It was an awful example to be for 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.000 my children and put stress on my wife. And then 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.120 a couple of years later, about four or five years later, 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:35.000 me and the dB got into it Ken Lucas and 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.760 and I was pressed on that. I was pressed on 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.280 that because I had found out some my wife was 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:45.360 having some health issues scares my mom was the night 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.520 before she was in a bad place where she was 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:53.639 diagnosed with type two diabetes financially where she was, and 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:55.800 I had that call in training camp, and so we 0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:05.960 had altercation, and I just when did you realize I 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.879 I can't fight about everything. I need to have a 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.679 better way of dealing with this. That's the thing, man is. 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.480 It was one of the things that I struggle with 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.520 now is like I was on a flight coming here 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.399 and I had do some real estate stuff and I 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.000 gotta I'm selling some property, and the and the buyer 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.320 it's like trying to make me jump through all these 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.920 hoops as if I'm getting their property and they're buying 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.479 my property, right and and so I I looked at 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.240 the before I sent the email, I was asking myself, 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.320 what is the objection? Do I want to sell this property? Yes? 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.320 Do I want to sell it for the profit? Absolutely? Yes? 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.360 Do I want to deal with all of this in 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.720 the They just signed a contract two days ago, right, 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.480 so I want to deal with this throughout this whole process. 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.360 And my answer is no. So I told them all 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.440 my email to my realtor that I lead that if 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.240 they disagree or don't like it, present any documentations that 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.400 hand over that feel that they feel that enhances their 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.560 point of view, right, And I said, if they don't, 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:17.480 then I will only proceed and take the following steps 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.680 forward from the contract that they signed. If they didn't 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.280 like the contract, then I think they should move forward 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:30.400 termination whatever they should. And either way, I wish, I 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.080 wish you were best for God bless you. That's it. 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:37.640 But while I'm sitting there going right, and I'm going 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.320 in myself, but I have that moment I go, but 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.160 this is the new Steed. This is it's not even 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.240 new Sman, it's just really just ten years ago, fifteen 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.960 years ago. I even know. I know what I was 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.560 going to say, because I said that is I wouldn't 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.560 like that out in my mind, I'm going that is 0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:00.120 not their appropriate response. But that's how I felt. I'm like, 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.720 you signed the paperwork right, this is the listing price. 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.080 Right now, you're coming back a day and a half 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.080 later or two days later after you agree to the 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.920 listing problems. I had a listed here, you came here, 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:18.400 I said here, you said okay, Now today it's a problem, right, 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.240 and so I and so for me, I just like 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.040 my podcast, I cut two and I cut out all 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:30.880 the nonsense and go straight to the source. Free agency. Yeah. 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.160 Let let before we get the freeze, let's talk about 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.120 your situation in Carolina. You go to Carolina, you have 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.160 a meeting to success your rookie year. You go to 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.400 the Pro Bowl as a returner, your dynamic, you work 0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.640 your way. You turn yourself into a damn a great receiver. 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.760 I believe the bit boy you because you played with 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.040 two years? What moves you played three? How many years 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.040 you play with moves? Two? No, three years? Move three 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.920 or four years? Okay? And then what you gott going 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.280 came back? That's big, bro. You turn yourself into a 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.960 dynamic sleep because at the beginning, you know, come in 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:04.640 and get your cup and catches here and there, but 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.960 you will a punt returner, kick returner. You turn yourself 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.680 into a great receiver. And so you're you're going back 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:14.200 and you're like, damn. Do you look back and says, 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.600 I wish I could have done this different. I should 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.200 have done that different. I mean, my only regret is 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.360 handling on myself differently, you know, towards my teammates. Your 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:28.720 teammates feel you opponent too. Just you gotta do it 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.840 with everybody's bidding. I mean, some guys are looking forward 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.800 to and you're looking to give it to it. What 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.840 you mean, they were looking for it, absolutely, they found 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:40.280 it when they were looking. But they found it in you. 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.400 You know, sometimes you got you gotta trying people. I'd 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.080 mess your question. Did you ever go into the game 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.280 and say, you know what, I don't really like him 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:51.400 if you say anything anything in the slightness. No, So 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:56.360 that's the that's an interesting part. So I actually had 0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:01.080 a sports psychologist. I had a colleges and then I 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.600 had a sports eye College. Sports eye College was a 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.200 golf guy actually, right, so he really started to teach 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:10.120 me how to make lifetime goal, short term goals, daily goals. 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.000 Right just to look at like look at look at 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.360 sports without the emotion. Okay, right, it's very emotional game. 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.280 It is. And he was good on that, right, he 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.120 was really good on that. Some other stuff he was 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.080 giving it. I just it wasn't applicable at that time. 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:29.520 I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't. I couldn't 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.040 do it right. There were some things that he just 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:37.720 emotionally I was not able to do right. And and 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.040 so I would go in the game and a lot 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:43.680 of times when you see me, I would be talking, 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.400 but I wouldn't be talking to the player I was 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.520 going against. If I caught a ball and I spent it, 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.120 and I would say, they think this, this coordinator thinks 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.400 he can cover me. Today, I was talking to myself 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.960 right now, I said it out loud, and then turn 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.160 they think you're talking to But it was not about them. 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.320 A lot of times that I played, I really played 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:07.720 because I was trying to get I was trying to 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.120 get out of back home. I was trying not to 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.280 come back to one hundred and twenty six. And if 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:18.880 long right, I knew we struck we struggled. It was tough. 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.360 My mom she worked their butt off, my dad worked 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.280 their butt off. They taught me about hard work, but 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.160 also knew that growing up in the inter city there 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:32.160 were things that we experienced. Growing up poor, you don't 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:39.160 get the same opportunities, right, But being a person that's poor, 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.400 all right, I don't want to say black, just black, 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.280 but being a personal poor you have to do more 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.480 and yet you don't have the same opportunities. You gotta 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:55.160 present yourself in a better light just to maybe get 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.840 an interview, to not get the job. So for me, 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.960 I was I put all my eggs in football right right, 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.240 and it was it was tough. I had to go 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:10.840 to community college, right, Santa Monica Junior College. Otoko, Chad Johnson. 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.080 What was your teammate? Was he like this in college? 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.920 Was he like he is like what we saw at Cincinnati, 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.479 what we see now? Was he like that then? Yeah? 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:27.600 He was always entertaining. Yes, So did you guys like, nah, 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.000 hey throw me the ball, not throw me the ball? 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.680 Did you guys? Nah? It was Demetrius Posy. He was 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.960 he went to Venice High School. He was a better receiver. 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.640 There's a guy, Anthony Chiefis went to Fairfax. He played 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.480 with Isaza King. He was he was a better receiver. 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.040 He towards Kneed. There was a guy, uh you know this, 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.840 this is where it's fun. As you know. There was 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.600 a guy named Jean Sikes, but we all called him Skeeter, right, right. 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:56.880 There were so many players that I felt at that 0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:00.880 time in a college that I was just the young guy. 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.160 I was just trying to I was just find my way. 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.239 I was just trying to figure things out. So I 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.200 actually got the University of Utah because they were watching Demetrius, 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.360 and Demetrius was going there, and I went to Utah 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.680 really just to follow my big brother, right, And he 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:19.480 never made it. He ended up falling asleep from driving 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.680 from Diego back up to here for spring break and 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:26.160 fell asleep with the wall and die Wow. But that 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.799 was the reason that I went to Utah is to 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.319 play with Demetrius. And so that's how it happened. A 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:37.280 lot of my life, of the prosperity that I've had, 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.839 it's really been by accident. Right, Do you believe tough 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:43.759 times make tough men. I was reading the story and 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.200 it was going ig and the guy was explaining he says, 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.879 my grandfather walked ten miles. He said. My dad drove 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.400 a Viewer. I drive a Cadillac, my son driving Mercedes. 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.919 He says, in fifty years, we're gonna be right back 0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.200 where we came from. He said, tough times make tough men, 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.360 Easy times make weak me. I just think it's a 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:08.440 it's the perspective I was reading. I read something I 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.600 remind myself. I used to remind myself it is decreased 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.000 more and more just because of the confidence that I 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:22.239 haven't internally that for a long time. I read this 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:27.840 and it said that you're special, no one is like you, 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.600 You're unique. Did you always believe that, No, you're loved. 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:39.520 Do you believe that? Nope, you're competent, You're lovable. And 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.880 it took me a long time, probably the last three years, 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.040 that I've really started to really believe that. But it 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.680 took me this time, the pandemic and all that stuff 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.640 to really sit down and really examine what's the problem. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.520 And the problem for me is, you know, I was 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.920 I was emotionally just numb. Did did were your parents 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.200 I love you, Steve? Did they hug you? Did they 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.440 tell you how much they love you? Did they did. 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.600 You gotta sit down there isn't the best they could. 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.759 There are times when I walk down the hallway after 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.799 my wife is reading my you know, my boys, my 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.920 youngest a book and not going there, and I kiss him. 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.880 The father's walking down the hallway, but the son is 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:32.320 a little broken, right. You missed that you want you 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.920 You try to give your kids everything that you didn't 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:39.879 get emotionally, physically, psychologically, obviously monetarily, but now yeah, more 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:46.000 just understanding the emotional flail love a godpay love, Understanding 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.600 that development at such a young age builds so much 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:53.400 in them and knowing that and my again, my parents 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.840 didn't model it because they didn't know, right, And so 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.760 it's taking me this most. You're heading food of your betterment. 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.960 I love you, Ruth over your head. Yes, that was 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:07.160 the love the belly was that was that was and 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.560 not because they didn't he just you know, just trying 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.920 to make it. I think when you played that I 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.280 covered your career. I was in the league. I shortly 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.400 after you got to the league. I retired, but I 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.919 remember covering your league. If you're covering you in the league, 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.640 and I said, he plays angry, he like give me 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.759 the ball, I'm gonna run over you. I'm gonna run 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.520 through you. If I gotta run around, y'all will. But 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.799 you know what, I really prefer to run through you 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.000 because I'm trying to show you something that come third 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.839 point quarter, you ain't gonna want to see me? Did 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.360 you play angry with that intentional? Growing up on one 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.120 hundred and twenty six, at nine o'clock in the morning, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.120 my grandpa used to tell me, if you want to 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.960 play this game, these are men you need to play life. 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.680 Don Baby was very familiar around the lock. Jack Tatum 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:03.520 was very familiar with people. Eric Turner, Steve Atwater Right, 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.840 Greg News. I mean there are so many Greg Townsend, 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.840 how we long Man, how town Man town was so 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:16.520 dirty man. But my point is I watched old school football. 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.560 He was old and so watching old school football that's 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.640 how I was raised. And I know I'm not killing 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.600 it in the hype department, So I had to because 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.240 you know, on high school to old say they say 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.120 there's always someone better under my breath, I always say, 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.000 you're not gonna get a chance. So for me, I 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.359 played the game in the way that I watched the 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:41.120 error of the game. Then obviously watching wide receivers, but 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.799 I watched the game and played the game. We used 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:48.400 to play sideline pop in the street. So the best 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.680 way to play the game, I felt at that time 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:56.160 it's checking man's heart when you could check a man's heart. 0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:01.520 The first play, Ricky protod me the first he and 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.919 I came back together. You're my roommate in the mold game. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:08.640 The first play sets up the last play. So my 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:12.919 first route sets up that next that that player needed 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:14.640 in a third or fourth quarter, right for that big 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.120 right right, So I take it a step further. Growing 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.400 up in the hood, you know who, you know who 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.560 is susie que up in the group. You know who's soft, 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.799 So you're gonna if you already know that, So I'm 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.880 just gonna establish I know that the gig is up. 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.879 I know who you are, I know how you roll. 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:38.400 I watch your nuts film, I know your little tricks. 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:43.759 So when we line up and we play, it ain't 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.160 no magic a trick, it ain't no it's no little 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.560 smoking marriage. First play, you wanted to be a run 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.279 so you can go hit somebody in the mouth, or 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.040 you wanted to be a pass. I'm gonna hit you either. 0:40:54.080 --> 0:41:00.239 Way I'm gonna hit you either. So if if you 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:06.520 were to describe Steve Smith, why the wide receiver? What what? 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.319 What are your route runner? What are your technician? What 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:13.960 do you you know? Your speed? Your your jail what? What? What? What? What? What? What? 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.200 In campuses Steve Smith receiver? I mean, I just enjoyed 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.319 playing a game. I enjoyed the physical the physicalness of 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.719 the game. Also enjoyed the checkers and the chest. There 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.560 were some corners that was chess. That was some corners 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.080 most big seeds. Like. I like the physicality of the game. 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.960 I like the bump. You're not the tallest, you're not 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.319 the biggest, and the first thing you say. I like 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:44.759 the physicality of the game because you already you there's 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:49.960 no guessing. I'm an overthinker. I don't like surprises, right, 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.320 I'm not a guesser. So I like all the cars 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:59.759 on the table. So we're gonna go out here, we're 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.399 gonna we're gonna bump these gums, we're gonna chit chat, 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.239 we're gonna talk, we're gonna play, we're gonna follow We're 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.400 gonna follow up. So you look like, okay, yeah, okay, 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:13.279 two corners, two safeties clause. It's a lot got are 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.160 you thinking, like, but he don't leave them back, then 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.120 I need to get him. If I get him, everybody 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.840 else gonna follow into place. I mean, if I line up, 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.160 I look at I look at the linebacker first to 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.360 kind of tell me what the coverage is. See what 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.279 he's doing. You don't watch the triangle. Then I'm gonna 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.719 look at the safety. And then by the time the 0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:35.120 safety if it's a if it's not a top tier corner, right, 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.880 then that that corner is already gonna be playing in 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.880 the zone. Right, So I'm already anticipating in the zone. 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.280 And basically the triangle is gonna tell me what type 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.560 of zone? Right? Is it three bells? It two cats? 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.880 Jesus two finals? Is it six? Right? So I'm telling 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.640 the corner six quarter quarters. Yeah, I'm order them one 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.480 size covered two. On the other side, I'm telling the 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:57.880 corner come on out. You know you already know what 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.000 you know you got him stopping tearing to let him. 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.200 So for me, it was it was always just anticipating, 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:09.719 understanding what's going on, right, and and and because I 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:15.040 was a hot head, people would assume that I was 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.960 very stupid, and so I kind of played in that narrative, right, 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.279 and that that wasn't that was immature on my on 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:26.120 my part, right. And so it's really you know, now 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:31.120 doing television and some of that stuff sometimes yelling and 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.440 and cursing and all that stuff like that. When I 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.080 when I was doing that, I was just being lazy, 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.600 right right. My My my father in law, my wife's 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.960 father always says, man, when you cursed and when you 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:49.640 when you when you kind of are ignorant, it shows 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.280 your laziness. And I remember him saying that one time, 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.520 and it didn't. And then one time I found myself 0:43:56.640 --> 0:44:00.440 yelling and cussing about something and I was like, and 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.480 so now we're doing television and some of the the stuff 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.359 that I do now it's like you know, and it's 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.239 been good because some people are taking back they go 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:12.480 and I've got a number of backhanded compliments. Right, Oh, 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:19.640 you're a lot smarter than what I thought that. Yeah, thanks, 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.960 I think, yeah, But how are you able to stay? 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.279 I mean, you played on the you was right there 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.440 on the edge. Sometimes you would look over the edge. 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.040 Sometimes you would hop. How are you able to still 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.600 go get one bitch to get two? Hundred playing like 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.719 that because you play, you will you will pissed off 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:42.200 and you all pissed off. Yeah, well here's why. So 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.120 I was having lunch probably about it's probably about seven 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.000 months ago. Right, He's probably not gonna like this. But 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:53.160 Mark Richardson, okay, uh, Jerry big, Jerry Richardson used to 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.920 be a president. We're all having dinners a few buddies. 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.520 In my head. It came up from Charleston, so we 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:04.840 haven't and he has said, Yo, smitty man. I remember 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.560 when we drafted year as a punt returner. I said, see, 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.319 that's your problem. He goes what he says, all see 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.400 there you go with that chip again. I said, no, 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:18.000 it's not a chip. Think about it. I was told 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.520 I was too small. But if you go on my 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:26.080 draft cars, the New York Jets drafted another wide receiver 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.040 who was the same height as me, but you went 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.680 to the University of Miami. His name was Saintana Moss, right, 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.920 so high at Saintana Moss the same height as me. 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.560 But he's not too small. And I'm not mad at 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:42.000 Santana right. The scouts were lazy. They just didn't want 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:46.120 to say that, dude. We didn't respect the University of Utah, right, 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.040 because in college, if you go back and look, I 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.759 think my junior and Seniorye combined, I averaged twenty one 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:58.840 point two yards a catch. I wasn't I wasn't a rest. 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.799 I wasn't a dB who liked to play receiver. I 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:07.240 played receiver who happened to be able to catch punts 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.440 because my dad was a semi He was a semi 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.480 pro punter. He used to punt down at Willowbrook Park 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.640 when I was a kid, and just like any other kid, 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:18.839 I used to follow my pop around, and so by 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:22.200 the time I was probably about eight or nine, I 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.000 can catch puns. Because I was just hanging out with 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.040 my pop. I was trying to catch and at that 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.520 time my dad was punning. I thought he was punting 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:32.239 the ball to the clouds and back, and I was 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.600 just trying to catch her. I was trying to learn 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.719 how to catch him. And then he got mad at me, like, 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.080 if you're gonna be back there, catch the ball, boy, 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:43.279 I'm kind of like, I'm really trying. I'm trying, right, 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.960 And so that's how it actually happened, at me catching 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:52.279 punts just following my pop right, right, and and so 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:56.480 I was. I was a receiver. But how they they Okay, 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.000 he said, we drafted you as a punt returner. But 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.640 that's not how you saw yourself. You saw yourself as 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.920 a receiver that could catch punts. I wasn't a starting 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:08.400 receiver in college. And then you draft me as a 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.440 return and you had six or seven other receivers in 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.000 the room, and you were not. I was not allowed. 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.960 I wasn't even given the opportunity but to service the 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:23.359 defense during the season yea as a scout team. So 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.279 it wasn't that I had this chip you were. I 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:32.000 was not okay with being limited. I was not comfortable 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.960 with being put in a box until sitting down and 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.640 be quiet the whole check your brain at the door, 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:43.840 and you know, just getting on. Nah. I was already 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.960 on house money, right. I wasn't supposed to be here. 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.200 I broke my neck in college. See for a verst fracture. 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:54.560 So I broke my neck right, grew up in inner city. 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.480 I wasn't supposed to be here, right, So my my 0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:03.120 thought was always they fire me at some point. I'm 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.239 gonna lose my job one of these days. So I 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:09.880 have two choices. When I lose my job, I can 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:13.440 sit at home and wish I would have said and 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.880 did these things, or I can sit back like I 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.400 do now, go yeah, I probably shouldn't have said that, 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:24.360 however I did in my way. Right. Should I have 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.600 changed and approach some things differently, Absolutely, But if I 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.480 can go back and change it, I don't know if 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.480 I'll be sitting right. Because all of that is what 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.719 made you who you were, And it's also made me 0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:41.440 evaluate in process and look at what I am today 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.200 and how can I change? How can I be better? 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:48.200 How can how can I be emotionally accountable to my wife, 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:53.560 to my kids, to my friends. Let me ask you this. 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.319 It's because of how you evaluate yourself. You have a 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:01.560 more open mindness of evaluating yourself. It allows you to 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:05.560 critique and analyze other players in a more fundamental way. 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.480 I try to be. I'm a perfectionist anyway. So I 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:12.760 mean I I came and hear my own voice every 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.480 show I do and every podcast I do. I never 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.640 really listened to it because I can't hear my own 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:23.480 voice because I can already know the words. Because when 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:25.560 I was a kid, I had a stuttern problem. Right, 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.239 So I already know the words and some of the 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:32.480 things I didn't say correctly, and so I just and 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.040 that's where the anxiety comes because I know I messed up. 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.920 But see that I read it to that same problem 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:40.880 when I first got onto the air at CBS, and 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:44.040 it sent me to all these speech these people that 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:50.160 speak grammatically correct, yeah, phonetically correct. And I'm sitting in 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.000 there and I'm like, at the time, risk your soul. 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.920 And I had hours and hours of tape of Ed Bradley, 0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:00.799 how correct he spoke and how he you know, dead 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.799 thing James Brown, And then one day I'm sitting I'm like, 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:10.160 if you listen to James Brown, we both j work 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:14.359 like you can. You can look at JB and you go, man, 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:18.279 everything about me is wrong j Everything. I mean, he 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:21.640 wanted like hyphen everything, and then he gonna spell it 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.279 out in his mind. He's like, if it or I like, JB, 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.400 just say the word. But he but as a host, 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:29.359 say I'm over there when he does at him over there, 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:33.879 going I'm over so you would I both know JB. 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:35.719 But then smythe I look at it, I'm like, well, 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:37.919 hold on, wait a minute, that's not what they hired. 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.839 They didn't hire me to be grammatically and phonetically correct. 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.240 They hired me to give an opinion. And a part 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.279 of me, a part of what unique about me is 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.919 my colloquialism. I'm from Rules, South Georgia, so I talk 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.720 like I'm from Rules. My brother he lost it somewhere 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:56.960 down down the line. He lost I don't know where 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.480 the hell it win, but but he lost his. It's 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.919 stuck with me. But that's what. And then I saw 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.360 Charles Barkley, and I saw how well he was receiving. 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:09.600 I stopped and saying, ain't going to these classes no more. 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:15.200 I quit. I dropped out of school, and I hadn't 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:20.359 looked back. And I found an employer that says, be you. Yeah, 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.960 I don't need you to be anybody else. Be you. 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:27.680 And so you found someone My employee says, be you. 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:32.360 But dollar back, because there's a few times I'll be 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:36.239 on TV. You can't say that one. No, shouldn't say 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:38.960 that one. But the thing is that I liked about you. 0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:41.000 But you you honest with it. I mean, it's not 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.040 like a lot of times guys will say something about 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:47.520 a person. Said person will come on the set and 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:49.399 then all of a sudden, you're like, nah, I said 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.799 that you didn't play bad? You did? You did that set? 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.920 But if I if I'm incorrect too, Yeah, you're a Problicate. 0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.400 I have to face to face. Yeah. I don't have 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:00.880 rob with that. Right. The reason I don't have a 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:02.640 problem with this is because if you're man enough to 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:09.440 say it, yes, and I stand by that, And you know, 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.040 that's just kind of how I am. And I try 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:16.759 to own. I try to own all my mistakes. Right, 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:24.319 who reminds Steve Smith receiver player today? John? None of them? 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:26.839 You know why? Because I look at you, you were 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:28.320 like a big t owner. I mean you were a 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:32.239 smaller version. Well here's why I say, no one, Why 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.640 when you're going to Hall of Fame, you go in 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:40.040 with your own name, your own jersey, your own team. Yes, 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:45.600 our parents didn't name us the same. You want your 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:52.520 name to be in there, right, I idolize Jerry Rice, 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:58.040 your brother Sterling Shark, But I didn't. I don't want 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:03.439 to be the next Sterling Sharp because that's not my name, 0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:08.000 that's not the person I am. There were things that 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.560 Sterling did that I tried to emulate. I just couldn't do. 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.840 There are things that Jerry did I just couldn't do, 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.560 or I tried, or maybe I you know, I pleasurize 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:22.160 I stole a little bit. I saw something. But I 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.840 love the players that are today, that they are who 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.480 they are. But because you're on the NFL networking, you 0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.560 guys do do the d don't. I don't like when 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.320 they do that because he you know what, he reminds 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:39.359 me of Steve. Here's why, well I still have. When 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.399 I told my achilles, my agent, it was my aging 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.960 my whole duration of my career, of my football career 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.560 to really help me get past it because I had 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.400 a double rupture of my achilles and to off the 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:53.319 bone and in the middle right, he goes, I'm gonna 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:58.400 send you your draft right up coming out of draft. 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:03.719 And I at it, and it charged me up because 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.399 when I look at my draft stuff that came out, 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:12.160 I was a fifth to seventh round draft. Bit. So 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:16.400 now that I'm a finished product, I'm the next. Y'all 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:20.520 know the next. But when I was here, y'all didn't. 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:23.560 Y'all didn't admire me and say that I was a 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:27.359 pretty darn good player. So now that I'm done. Now 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:31.520 all of a sudden, I'm the guy. Nah man, don't 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:36.200 don't do that. Do you you feel you didn't get depreciation? Oh? 0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:39.040 I mean because when on social media, I get told 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:40.920 all the time I was nothing but a slot receiver. 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.160 I wish I knew that because I didn't playing a 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.640 slot as much as I could have. Right, you, outside 0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:49.279 the numbers. I was outside of the numbers, stationary stand. 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.359 I wasn't even a Z. I was an AX. I 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.160 wasn't even allowed to go in motion, you know. So 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:59.560 I I just like allowing the players who they are 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.759 to be themselves. Let those guys be the standard. Don't 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:05.719 don't say I'm oh, he's the next d Smith. Let 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:09.719 him be sky more right and be Tarikio. There's things 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:14.360 about Tarikio I can never do. Let Cheeta be cheating, 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.200 Let him own his name. Don't thrust me onto that 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:22.320 because heck, I'm just getting familiar on my own. You 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:25.680 you played the blast year of your career with Carolina. 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:28.200 It did not end the way you wanted it to end. 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:35.160 Why did you wanted to leave Carolina? Yeah? Why because 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:39.040 it was time. I was always I'm a very curious person. 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:45.200 I was always interested in wondering was what is it 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:49.440 like to be somewhere else, to be somewhere else? And 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.440 so I you know you got comfortable in Carolina. No, 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:55.600 I wasn't coverables getting we was losing. No, I wasn't comfortable. No, 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:57.959 what I'm saying, you had you knew the system, you knew, 0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:00.760 you know everybody, you knew the cold, you knew everybody, 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:05.160 you knew. Eight. I was ready to go. I had asked. 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.920 I had asked, well, you had just got Cam. I 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:13.400 know I had asked for a release. You had just 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.359 got Cam. That was the best quarterback that you was going. 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:20.040 You are correct. He was the best quarterback I ever 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.840 played with. And you wanted to leave that because it 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:27.040 was our record that was the issue. I was my clock, 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:32.799 my my my championship clock was was going on right. 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.000 So I wanted to go to it. I just wanted 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:39.080 to go to a different place. So I had before 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:42.760 I was released that year, I had talked to general 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:46.160 manager of Jacksonville Jaguar. He was a forty nine ERSH coach. 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.440 He was the forty nine I talked to Trent Balcon 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:53.080 about a release about me going there, but I didn't 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.200 want to play. I didn't want to play for the 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:59.960 forty nine ers, and so I I my agent had 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.960 worked out another deal. I actually had under armour working 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.799 on a new color scheme because I had we had 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.680 backdoor to deal. But the Panthers at that time and 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:12.840 talked to another team, and so they gave me permission 0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:16.360 to talk with the forty nine ers and I decided 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:20.200 to stay. So I already had knew I was leaving, 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.480 but again people thought I was unable to keep my 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:30.960 mouth closed. I had conjured up facilitated and started to 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:34.520 play out a whole different team throughout that season, and 0:57:34.600 --> 0:57:36.480 then I knew I was gonna get released. I kept 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.800 it to myself and just kind of waited. You go 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:44.240 to the Ravens, Yeah, and unless you played with the Ravens, 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.840 you just didn't know. It was fun. It was great, 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.400 It was fun playing with It was fun playing with 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:54.240 the organization. Obviously I got to got to learn meet 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:57.960 Eric the Costa, the new general manager, but UH got 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:01.640 to meet the Hall of Famer Asik Newsom. The year 0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:03.600 that we were at the Pro Bowl together my rookie year. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:09.680 John Hardball was the specialty. It was a It was 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:13.880 a lot I enjoyed it playing sports as a kid. 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:16.760 Obviously going to the NFL, so clearly you played football. 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:18.680 What are those sports did you play as a kid, 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.280 and what was your favorite sport? I played baseball. I 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:29.240 was a pitcher, first baseman, shortstop, catcher. I played basketball, 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:35.520 played Low Tennessee. That was it. That was But you 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:37.720 always knew you wasn't to be an NFL player. Yes, 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:44.640 going to you so going to from Santa Monica Junior College, 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:49.480 going to Utah, to the Carolina Panthers, to the Baltimore Ravens. 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:53.120 You said, there are very few things that you would change, 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.440 would change. You would just like to be more in 0:58:55.560 --> 0:59:00.320 touch with yourself. Know who Steve Smith was then it's 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:02.960 compared to now. That's the only thing. Yeah, I mean 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.360 I met some great people. Still uh, still supporting the 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:10.160 University of Utah. Love my school. I'm always always there, 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:12.400 go to the game, you know, go to game or two. 0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:17.360 I'm always sneaking in Utah. Man, I'm looking at your draft. 0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:21.479 Michael Vick, Ladanian Thomason, Richard Seymour Hall of Fame said, 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.720 tell him off. You mentioned Hutchins in the Hall of Fame. 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.840 Steve Hutchinson, Duce mccuster, Regi Waye, Todd Heat, Drew Brees 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:29.960 is gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Man, you help. 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.360 It's some bowler's dog and up and it was just 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:40.480 little on me. Quincy Quincy Morrigan, Yad, we had Dan Morrigan, 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:44.080 Chris Jenkins. I'm gonna get you out of here on this. 0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:47.240 Tom Brady. You lose the Tom Brady in the Super 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:50.560 Bowl at the Carolina Panthers. Yeah, and you go to 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:55.080 Baltimore and you have them down in the playoff game 0:59:55.280 --> 1:00:01.200 with a chance to go. Richard Melvin, So I do 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:05.320 Rashard Melvin? I do the pre Panthers preseason game. Yeah, 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:09.800 and he was the Panthers. He's a corner last year. Yeah. Man, 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.720 that was a tough That was a tough game to broadcast. 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:16.200 When I'm looking at that dude, right, so I try 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:20.960 to that's when the uh Edelman throws the double pass. 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:24.800 Yeah yeah, Rashard mel Dude, Rashande Melvin has been I 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.520 think he's been in a nine nine or ten years. 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:30.440 Eight years, he's been on like eleven teams. It's never 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:36.200 a good sigh. Are you prad Tom Brady still played? Nah? 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:38.760 Tom Brady can process better than the best of them. 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:44.400 It's good. How did I mean? Were you played quarterbacks? 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:47.080 And kickers can play faver They don't take that plenty, No, 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:49.800 especially with a good offense line. Tell us about the podcast. 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:53.240 Podcast is cut to it. I cut through the nonsense. 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:56.560 But also too, I want to know the people inside, 1:00:57.320 --> 1:01:01.440 men and women, inside their jerseys. I interview chefs, you 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:04.400 name it, just trying to talk about uh stuff, and 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:07.520 then who they are outside of the profession. Yeah, outside 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:10.040 of profession, who who made them? Like? What what have 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:12.040 they been through? We've We've had some we had some 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:15.920 good guests and and I'm I'm very inquisitive too, so 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:21.959 I'll ask like random questions. Appreciate it. Steve Smith, Lady Joan, 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:28.120 Steve Smith Senior. Yes, I was one, and it ain't 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:29.320 a lot of It ain't a lot of people. I 1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:33.880 let slide. You want to know the story. Why my 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.640 one of my best friends, he's Allen Beck the third. 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:44.520 His daddy filled out some paperwork with his name, so 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:48.240 from their own I haven't built up my credit way. 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:53.800 I'm not. I'm not letting my boy open up a 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:58.680 credit card my name. So his birth certificate says senior 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:02.520 and my I d a junior and my DC Senior. No, 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.320 he's gonna say he's seen you know now I'm not 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:09.480 on my IDC. Appreciate you, Bru, Appreciate you. Thanks you 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:12.320 for talking by the club, all the club behind the 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:14.640 you just doing to Google. I watch out. I looked 1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:20.360 at yea all my life and running all my life. 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:25.320 Sacrifice hustle bad price, want a slice? Got the broller 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:27.919 Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:31.000 my life, all my life and running all my life 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:35.880 sacrifice hustle, bad price, want a slice? Got the brother 1:02:35.920 --> 1:02:38.360 of Dice to swap all my life. I've been running 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:39.000 all my life