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Speaker 1: So this is a fun episode for me because for.

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Speaker 2: Those of you that don't know, I'm a musician, I'm

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Speaker 1: I love play of music.

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Speaker 2: I love writing songs. I first visited Nashville when my

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Speaker 2: It's changed a lot over the years, but it's always

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Speaker 1: Play and write.

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Speaker 2: Not just country music. I mean has a reputation for country,

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Speaker 2: Just a fantastic artist and to you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: Part of his personal life.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to be hanging out today with Thomas Rhett.

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Speaker 3: So Lean.

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Speaker 1: Here we are with Thomas Rhett.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to meet you, and thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for being here.

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Speaker 1: We were chatting before.

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Speaker 2: You're You're just in the middle of the tour.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So we started in February in Canada. I don't

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Speaker 5: In my whole I'm sure you have.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're halfway through the tour.

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Speaker 4: We go through like September, and my family and I

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Speaker 4: So been a good summer, man, been a busy one.

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Speaker 2: You got a new vinyl coming out right, twenty number

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Speaker 5: I think it comes out in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: It is still kind of mind boggling to me that

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've been doing this career for like

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Speaker 1: So wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the fact that we've had that many number ones

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's just amazing. Man, that is just amazing.

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Speaker 2: You must be so proud of that. And I don't know,

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Speaker 2: And I'm guessing that you probably wrote or used to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say maybe maybe seventy percent of the

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Speaker 5: Some of them were pitched to me, you know, from

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Speaker 4: But Nashville is such a tight knit community that you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, one of real heroes.

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Speaker 2: I want to dig into that because I'm actually a

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Speaker 5: Been on the road right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of like, well, we were, we were

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Speaker 2: But I've always kind of written. Either when I was young,

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Speaker 4: many writers in Nashville. There are these niche groups of

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Speaker 4: We write from ten am till you know, I start,

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Speaker 2: So wow, that's amazing. And so do you have like

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Speaker 5: It's like amazing way you can do with just a

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Speaker 1: It is amazing.

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Speaker 2: But but people are people are constantly pitching you things.

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Speaker 5: What do I what do I do well?

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Speaker 4: And there's always multiple of those kind of songs on

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Speaker 4: I don't think I could write that song. And it

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Speaker 4: And if I listened to it over one hundred times,

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Speaker 4: then more than likely that song is gonna get cut.

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Speaker 1: So and how many how many.

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Speaker 2: Out of what percentage of the songs that you cut

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Speaker 4: Maybe eighty you know, I've gotten to work with a

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Speaker 2: So and and you know you're you're kind of ahead

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Speaker 4: Right and singing and singing about country stuff, well country stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: For sure, God, I wish I'd written that's anything. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even if it's just a you know, a beautiful love

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Speaker 5: Because country music we do.

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Speaker 4: It's like on a record, there's at least three songs

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Speaker 4: But you have to just keep trying to come up

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Speaker 2: In what order to put those three maybe four chords in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think before we had four kids,

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Speaker 5: All girls. Yeah, it's crazy. Our house is chaos twenty

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Speaker 4: I think as my kids are getting older and starting to,

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Speaker 5: I get to leave.

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Speaker 4: It's like a privilege that I that I get to

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Speaker 5: And so I'm.

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Speaker 2: Know, flying in and you know, I used to kind

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Speaker 5: I wanted to be. I wanted to be a thrasher.

441
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 4: So I remember in eighth grade, I dyed my hair black,

442
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 4: started talking in a British accent, and and me and

443
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 4: like me and me and three of my buddies started

444
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 4: this band called the High Hilled Flip Flops when we

445
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 4: were in eighth grade, and we basically sang British pump.

446
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 5: Music, oh wow wow.

447
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

448
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 4: And so the drums were my first instrument I can

449
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 4: get around okay on a piano, but guitar is kind

450
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 4: of the first thing I learned how to play. And uh,

451
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,959
Speaker 4: you know, all through high school, man played in all

452
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 4: the talent shows.

453
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Speaker 2: You still have a kit? Do you still go and

454
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 2: bang away sometimes?

455
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude.

456
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 4: This year on tour, actually we built we put a

457
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 4: drum kit on this like little riser at the end

458
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 4: of the catwalk, and so the very first song, I'll

459
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 4: come up on a drum kit playing this like super

460
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 4: metal like halftime beat with my with my drummer, and

461
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 4: it's always just been one of my favorite instruments to play.

462
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,239
Speaker 4: I'm not great at it, but any means that can

463
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 4: get great.

464
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 2: People people let go nuts when they see they do.

465
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 5: If only they knew that I was not a great drummer,

466
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 5: you know, so.

467
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm sure, I'm sure you can play. I have

468
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

469
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: So they were all the so the house was just

470
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: filled with music all the time.

471
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 4: It was man, you know, And it's crazy because like

472
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 4: my my grandparents, like my dad's mom and dad like

473
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 4: played piano a little bit, singing church a little bit.

474
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 5: But my dad was really the first person kind of

475
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 5: our family to take a big leap.

476
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: And you know, move to Nashville and try the whole thing.

477
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: And he toured really well for like ten years, and

478
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: I think ultimately decided after ten years that writing was

479
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 4: like the thing that he wanted to do for the

480
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Speaker 4: rest of his life.

481
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: You know.

482
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 4: So my dad has written I think forty five number ones.

483
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 5: Uh in our genre.

484
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 4: He's one three BMI Songwriter of the Year, he's one

485
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 4: ACM and CMA Songwriter of the Year, song of the Year.

486
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: He's he's kind of the goat, you know, of the

487
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 4: Nashville community, amongst a few other people.

488
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: But you.

489
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, we've written, we've written I think seven or

490
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 4: eight of of my number ones to get which is

491
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: really special. Wow, it could it could could be a

492
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 4: huge Like yeah.

493
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 2: I can I can guarantee. Well, my my father was

494
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: so tone deaf that we used to we joked that, uh,

495
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 2: when he would sing us a lullaby, we would pretend

496
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: to be asleep so that we could he would stop.

497
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: But uh so, I can't imagine sitting down and trying

498
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: to work with him, my dad in that kind of cartiosity.

499
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

500
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 5: It works somehow, man. You know, I think in the beginning.

501
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 4: I think my dad had a vision for what he thought,

502
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 4: you know, my career was going to be. What kind

503
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: of songs you were going to write? Like he wrote

504
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 4: my very he wrote he wrote my first number ones,

505
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 4: and and it was after that that I, you know,

506
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: I kind of got with my dad and I was like, hey,

507
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: I want to try something different, you know, And my dad,

508
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: being the the musical jukebox that he is, like, if

509
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: you you give my dad a couple a couple of

510
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: beers and then give him a guitar, he can literally

511
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 4: sing you the dictionary of any jhant name a song

512
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: and he can play it.

513
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 5: And so as I started to kind.

514
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: Of shift a little bit musically, like, my dad was

515
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 4: just immediately right there with me, like helping me along

516
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 4: that journey, giving me advice on you know, how these

517
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: songs should go, what they should feel like. And so,

518
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 4: you know, my dad is just like a huge, huge

519
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: reason as to why I'm even sitting here talking to

520
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 4: you today.

521
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: Som hm wow, that's so that's that's so great. You

522
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: have brothers and sisters.

523
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 5: I do.

524
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 4: My My family is kind of all over the place.

525
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 4: I've got a twenty eight year old sister a sixteen

526
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 4: year old brother and.

527
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 5: A three year old brother.

528
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 4: So my dad got remarried five years ago, had had

529
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 4: had my brother, and uh so him and my three

530
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: year old were actually in the same preschool class, which

531
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 4: is amazing. And so uncle and niece, I think that's

532
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 4: how that works, are in the same preschool class.

533
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, we have a pretty big I'm on my

534
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: wife's side, we have a she's got a Brady bunch family.

535
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: And then yeah, and then I'm the youngest.

536
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: Of six, so wow, we have a pretty big Thanksgiving

537
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: here at the at our at our apartments because just

538
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people and they're all spread out all

539
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: over the place. It's it's it's amazing.

540
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want it any other way. I think it's read.

541
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's great family, you know, it's it's such

542
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: a cliche, but it's everything. Sure, you live in Nashville,

543
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: live in Nashville. Yeah, do you do you.

544
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: Find that.

545
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: The it has I mean, Nashville has obviously changed a lot,

546
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: tremendously tremendous. I mean, my brother moved to Nashville to

547
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: work as a songwriter in uh, I guess it was

548
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: the seventies. He was a staff songwriter at Combine and uh,

549
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 2: you know all those like Fred Foster days and right

550
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: would would go and you know, kind of sit there

551
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: and you know, write write songs. And he moved down

552
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: there with his wife. Uh and and when they were,

553
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, really young. So I I used to went

554
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 2: down and visited him a couple of times when I

555
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: was when I was a kid.

556
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: And uh.

557
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: Now obviously we go through Nashville, you know, quite a bit,

558
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 2: and you've been back a lot in the years. It

559
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: really is kind of just mind blowing how much that

560
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: that city has expanded and grown. Do you feel the

561
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: change also kind of culturally there? Yeah, is can you

562
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: expound on that at all?

563
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what's it?

564
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: What's what's the biggest change that you feel?

565
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, so I grew up thirty minutes north

566
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 4: of Nashville. You know, I went to high school thirty

567
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: minutes north of Nashville, and you know, when I when

568
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: I was growing up, it would take I'm going to

569
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: talk about the traffic first, because I feel like traffic

570
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: is always like what it was all about.

571
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 5: In their towns. Yeah, it will.

572
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 4: Never be New York, it will never be La but

573
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 4: it could be Atlanta. You know, I'm sure you've seen

574
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: tons of time in Atlanta, but I have have. We

575
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: just we don't have the infrastructure for what we are

576
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 4: trying to do, you know. And I think that that

577
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: was probably a flaw that happened fifty years ago when

578
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: no one thought Ashville was going to be anything other

579
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: than just this tiny little country music town.

580
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: You know.

581
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: So it used to take me twenty minutes to get

582
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 4: to Nashville, and now, you know, my parents used to

583
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 4: live out thirty minutes and it would take an hour

584
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 4: to get to their house. And so, you know, all

585
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: my neighbors when we and Lauren first got married, all

586
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 4: were from either Nashville or Huntsville, Alabama, or Atlanta or Greensboro,

587
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 4: North Carolina. And now I would say our neighbors are

588
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 4: literally from all over the country. A lot of folks

589
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: from New York, a lot of folks from from la

590
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: a lot of folks from Miami are now moving to

591
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 4: this like central location because it's not just a country

592
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: town anymore. It's like you can come to Nashville to

593
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: do anything, whether it's film or pop music or hip

594
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 4: hop or R and B or soul or jazz or

595
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: bluegrass or whatever.

596
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 5: It is. It's kind of become this melting pot.

597
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: And like it's always been called music city, but now

598
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 4: it's like legit all genre music city and so but man,

599
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 4: I'm not mad about the food scene has really gone.

600
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: The food is insane. The food is insane.

601
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: I mean it's gone away up like chill Well, all

602
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 5: we used to have was Chili's and now we have

603
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 5: like James Beard Award, you know, chefs winners.

604
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: Like what was it called.

605
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: I remember my brother taking me to it was called

606
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: meat and two vegs or something like that, or meeting meat. Yeah,

607
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: like a meeting three yeah, meeting three yeah, three three yeah,

608
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: the original for a Philly kid.

609
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that's I mean that just I mean,

610
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: and now, oh my god, it's crazy. It's crazy good

611
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: the food. But what's interesting.

612
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Is you still see some guy or girl walking down

613
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: the street with a guitar and a dream and a dream.

614
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: That's right, that really has sustained. I also think that

615
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: what's what's fascinating. We kind of touched on this before,

616
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: but you know, there's, uh, there isn't really a tradition

617
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: in straight ahead rock of doing songs that other people wrote.

618
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: You know that it's really a real country tradition, and

619
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Nashville has always been the center of the greatest songwriters

620
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: in the world.

621
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean for sure.

622
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: You know, I remember going once later on in life

623
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: and going to the Blueberd Cafe and just you know,

624
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: one of those you know, circle kind of things, and

625
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: you just go, oh, man, I got to go back

626
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 2: to school. I mean, these are incredible songs that some

627
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: many of which will never be heard other than you know,

628
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: in that in that framework. So it's just I find

629
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: it fascinating. One thing, I'm always curious about them. Maybe

630
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: you have the answer to this. Last time we were

631
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: in Nashville, I saw, like, I don't know, twelve bachelorette parties.

632
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: Is that like a thing that it's it's it's a

633
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: destination for bachelorettes for some reason.

634
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

635
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: I think I could be wrong on my likesatistics here,

636
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: but I do think we have I think we have

637
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: become the number one location now, like even over Vegas

638
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: and Troston for bachelorette parties.

639
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so it wasn't just a coincidence. I know it

640
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: was like a bachelorette convention or something was in town.

641
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but the ironic part is that there's a

642
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: bachelorette convention every single night of the week, three hundred

643
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: and sixty five days a year. It's like, so Nashville.

644
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: Nashville started this thing called pedal taverns. Have you heard

645
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: of these?

646
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's right. I saw them there.

647
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: They there, you drink beer and you and you pedal

648
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: your an pedal town, right, yeah, so right.

649
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: And I don't. I don't.

650
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: I don't go downtown very often, maybe if I'm going

651
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: to watch the Preds play or watch, you know, our

652
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: minor league baseball team play, Like me and Lauren kind

653
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: of stay away from downtown. I love downtown, but when

654
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: you go, it's, uh, it's intense.

655
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: Man.

656
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: There's party buses everywhere, there's pedal taverns everywhere, there's bachelor

657
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: and bachelorette parties everywhere. Downtown is absolute. It's amazing, but

658
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: it's absolute chaos, especially for someone like me. It would

659
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: it would, it would be a complete disaster.

660
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: No, no, going to Broadway, but.

661
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

662
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: It is unlike really any any other city, you know,

663
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: because you can you can literally hear music from six

664
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: a m To six am, Like it's non stop coming

665
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: out of every bar on Broadway. It's like, I mean,

666
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: if you if that, if that is your dream to

667
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: become a musician of any kind, Like yeah, La and

668
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: the Orc are amazing, but when you when you go

669
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: to Nashville, man, it just it just bleeds out of

670
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: every orifice of the city. So it's pretty wild.

671
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: Tell me about your daughter and your relationship to Uganda,

672
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: and I'm really fascinated by that whole story.

673
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean, you know, I could, I could

674
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: get into the weeds and all this stuff. But long, long,

675
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: super long story short. It was twenty sixteen and I

676
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: was I'll never forget it. I was in Phoenix, Arizona,

677
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: playing the show and my wife, I know it. We'll

678
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: probably get into this stuff later, but my wife was

679
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: really getting into traveling, you know, across the world. My

680
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: wife graduated the University of Tennessee with a nursing degree,

681
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: and right when we got married, our marriage counselor advised

682
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: us to for her not to go to work and

683
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: to come on the road with me so we could

684
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: spent our whole first year of marriage sorting out marriage things,

685
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: you know. So my wife did six hundred and fifty

686
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: something straight toward dates with me on one bus with

687
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: nine you know dude band members and crew guys. And

688
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: it was like year two of the road and she

689
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I think I'm I think I've

690
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: had my feel of the road.

691
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that my wife has ever spent a

692
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: single night on a tour bus with me.

693
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

694
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: I mean she's been on she's maybe gone, she might

695
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: have gone.

696
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Two hundred miles or something like that.

697
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: But she's never done it overnight. That is so impressive, dude.

698
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: And we had no like zero dollars, like we took

699
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: a bus out, but it was like we were losing

700
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: money every weekend that we were touring. And so we

701
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: were sharing a bunk and you know you've been on

702
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: a but those bunks are like small sharing a bunk,

703
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: hearing a bunk, Yeah, smaller than a twin sized bed

704
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: for like two years.

705
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Oh, but for sure you'd be in the back louns.

706
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 5: We didn't have the back louns.

707
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: Man.

708
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: Oh we do now, but but we did not back then.

709
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: And so well, yeah, to you know, two years of that,

710
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: Like you know, in the beginning of any career, just

711
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: the grind is just never ending. You know, I feel

712
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: like we were doing like six shows a week. I mean,

713
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: it was just a lot. And so after the second year,

714
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: my wife was like, I think I'm gonna chill. I'm

715
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna figure out what I want to do.

716
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: You know.

717
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: I think my wife, about two or three years in

718
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: our marriage, were just like, I think that there has

719
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: to be a bigger purpose for me, you know what

720
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: I mean. Like she was a graduate of the nursing degree,

721
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: I think, always wanted to work in a hospital, always

722
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: wanted to take care of people.

723
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: And you know.

724
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: For the first two years after she got out of college,

725
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: she just like, you know, travel with me. And so

726
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: she had met this woman who is going to hop

727
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: on on the zoom in a little wild name names

728
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: Suzanne Marrinick. And Suzanne has been doing you know, mission

729
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: work for like fifteen years kind of all over the

730
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: country help and take care of babies in different countries.

731
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: And my wife met her.

732
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: They became instant best friends, and my wife was like,

733
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: anywhere you go, where you're going to serve and do

734
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: any kind of mission work, I want to go with you.

735
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: And this would have been twenty sixteen and my wife

736
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: was in Uganda, and she just was sending me a

737
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: bunch of pictures of the children's song that they were at,

738
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: you know, facetiming me with a bunch of the babies

739
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: that were there. And she had posted a picture that

740
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: night of this one little girl whose name at the

741
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: children's song was Blessing. And I've always thought my wife

742
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: is the most beautiful person ever seen in my life,

743
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: but there was something about this picture that she was

744
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: like glowing man. And so was this baby who I'd

745
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 4: never met before. And I remember facetiming or that night,

746
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: saying who was that baby that you were holding? And

747
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: she said, well, you know, this is Blessing and there

748
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: are no you know, living parents or living relatives, and

749
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: so she has no family, and so she's she's been

750
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: at this children's home now and her name is Willie Gray,

751
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: but her name was Blessing at the orphanage, and she

752
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: had been there for like a week. She was six

753
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: weeks old. And my wife was just talking to me

754
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: and she was like, we have to find a home

755
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: for this child. And I'll never forget it, dude. It

756
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: was two o'clock in the morning, where I was half

757
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: asleep and It just kind of blurted out of my

758
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 4: mouth of like, well, we're going to bring her home.

759
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: And I don't even I don't even remember saying it.

760
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 5: It was just like I don't even know.

761
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: I don't even know if I was ready to have

762
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: kids yet. Wow, Like I was really loving the road thing.

763
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: My career was just starting to take off. I was like, man,

764
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: if we have kids right now, you know, what is

765
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: that going to do? And I'll never forget those words

766
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: coming out of my mouth. And then, you know, two

767
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 4: months later, do we started the whole you know, home

768
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: study process, had people come into our house asking us

769
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: a bunch of questions, doing background checks, you know, making

770
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: sure the home was safe and all that kind of stuff.

771
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: And then we spent the next foreseeable future in a

772
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: little town called mas Cindi, Uganda, which is where Willi

773
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: Gray is from. And it wasn't maybe six months later

774
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 4: that I that I met Willi Gray for the first time.

775
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 5: Went to this children's home.

776
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: And she had met Lauren, but she never met me.

777
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: And I walked into this little front room on the

778
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: grounds and she was taking a nap on a dirt floor.

779
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 4: It was it was the first time I'd ever met

780
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: her and so spent a ton of time with her

781
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: there and once we actually started the adoption process, we

782
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: were we lived in Uganda roughly for almost a year.

783
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: You know, I had to travel back and forth playing shows.

784
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: My wife basically stayed in Uganda for almost a year.

785
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: And just you know, this is kind of cliche, but

786
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: a lot when a lot of people begin the adoption process,

787
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: they get pregnant as well, and that's that's what happened

788
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: to us.

789
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: So, oh, no kidding.

790
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 4: You know, we were five months in the adoption process

791
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: and found out that Laaren got pregnant, and uh so,

792
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: you know, Lauren was like your version of twins for sure.

793
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: So not only was like Lauren and Uganda by herself

794
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: a lot, she was also by herself, uh six seven

795
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: months pregnant, So it was it was a really crazy time.

796
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: But dude, I look at Willie Gray now, she's offtionally

797
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: eight years old in November, smart as a whip, beautiful,

798
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: just it's I will never get that image out of

799
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: my head the first time I'm at her, and then

800
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: I look at her today and I'm just like, this

801
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: is one of the most incredible things in the world.

802
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: So wow, that is such an amazing story. Oh my gosh.

803
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,160
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00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,040
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00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: Well, Suzanne Marineck is here, Susan, would you like to

813
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: join us?

814
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: Good morning?

815
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: How you do?

816
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: It's up?

817
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 3: Says I'm doing great, Harry Hei Jr.

818
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks, thanks so much much for being here, and

819
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: I'm well. First off, how did how did the two

820
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: of you meet?

821
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: Three? Lauren? Yeah, big Lauren. Lauren was friends with my

822
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: nephew in college and I was traveling somewhere where we're going.

823
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: I was actually going to Haiti, and my nephew reached

824
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: out to Lauren and said, hey, I know that you.

825
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: Your heart's always desired to go and serve somewhere. My

826
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: aunt's going in a few weeks. She ought to see

827
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: if you can jump on her trip. And I got

828
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 3: an email or call I don remember from Lauren just saying, hey,

829
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: I'm friends with Land then and I heard you were

830
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: going out of you know, to Haiti and I would

831
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: love to join. And I had actually just had my

832
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: trip was full, but I had the week before, I

833
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: had had a nurse drop out, and I said, oh,

834
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: actually I have one spot open for a nurse. And Lauren,

835
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if tr told you, but in school

836
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: she got her nurse seemed to gree and so we

837
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: just filled that spot with Lauren and I got to

838
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: know her on that trip, and I think the Lord

839
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: just kind of knitted our hearts together. And when we

840
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: got ready to leave Haiti, she looked at me and

841
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: she said, I really feel like this is something that

842
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to do in life. Everywhere you go, I

843
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: want you to book me a flight. I want to

844
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: go with you. And I said, be careful what you

845
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: asked for, because I'm going to be going to Africa, saying,

846
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: and she goes, I want to be sitting next to you.

847
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: And several months later I looked over and there Lauren

848
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: was sitting in the airplane next semi headed to Uganda.

849
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: So that's kind of how it started.

850
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: Had you been to Uganda before, I have, I.

851
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: Have a little girl. That actually's how this whole thing started.

852
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: That we brought home, that we adopted from Meganda.

853
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: And Thomas Rover was telling me the whole process of

854
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: adoption is pretty pretty complicated and time consuming.

855
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: It is. She's been here now for thirteen years, and

856
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: so when we adopted her, we didn't you didn't have

857
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: to live there for a year or all the you know,

858
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: the things that they've put in place. Now, it took

859
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: us about a year to get her home just with paperwork.

860
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: But it's gotten a lot more difficult than it was.

861
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: Why is that? I'm just curious.

862
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: I think, well, in all countries it's kind of come

863
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: to a it went to a screeching halt for a

864
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: long time with China and Ethiopia and Ukraine and Russia

865
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: and Africa, and then they've kind of started opening them

866
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: up again. I think countries started feeling like that it

867
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: was a money It became a moneymaker. I think there

868
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: were people here that had a heart to bring children

869
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: home and were willing to pay the money because they

870
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: but like that they needed homes rather than them laying

871
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: in orphanages, and you know, the it's this unequaled balance

872
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: of and for children and then countries being corrupt in it,

873
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: and so I think they just leveled it for a

874
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: little bit. Now the countries are starting to open up

875
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: a little bit more, but they have made the process

876
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: a lot more difficult. And so some children are you know,

877
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: still coming home to forever families and others aren't.

878
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm curious, Suzanne, about what you think it is. Tom's

879
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: rad and I were talking about this a little bit,

880
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: how that connection to that little girl just sort of

881
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: hit him without really having planned to have this, you know,

882
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: be a part of his life. But I'm wondering what

883
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: it is in your either your upbringing, or your point

884
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: of view about the world, or some some kind of

885
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: experiences you have that you've had that makes you, you know,

886
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: want to follow this path because it's not an easy path,

887
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, to go to places like Haiti, to go

888
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: to go to Africa, to see the kind of conditions

889
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: that these children are living in. A lot of us

890
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: want to sort of kind of like turn away from

891
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: that or at the very least not spend our life

892
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: focused on it. So I'm just wondering if there's something

893
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: that you think is a reason for you.

894
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. If you've ever held a dying

895
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: child in your arms, or a dying baby and you're

896
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: wondering if they're every while you're holding them, if they're

897
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: going to take their next breath, it's a failing that

898
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: you can't shake and that you never forget. And if

899
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: you ever sit across from another mother who is holding

900
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: her baby wondering if her baby's gonna live, truly is

901
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: to my child fixing to take their last breast And

902
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: the look on the mother's face feels like, I mean,

903
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 3: I don't care what country you're in. A mother's love

904
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: is a mother's love. And when they are holding their

905
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: child and they are worried that they're gonna die in

906
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: their arms, yeah, they have no way to get them

907
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: the help that they need to keep them alive, it

908
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: does something to you. And I think I had enough

909
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: of those times to where I was either holding a

910
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: baby thinking they're fixing a die. They're fixing a die,

911
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: we have to like, I've got to do something to

912
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: get this baby help. Or I was sitting next to

913
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: a mother and I could feel her emotion of worry

914
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: that her baby was going to die. And then I

915
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: would come back to my home in Brentwoo, Tennessee and

916
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: look around and everything that I've ever needed or wanted

917
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: was at my fingertips. And it was this battle and

918
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: my head and my heart. If I can sit here

919
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: and I can live this great life, or I can

920
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: do more to help these other mothers and these babies

921
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: that I've held. And I just couldn't lay in bed

922
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: at and I and do nothing. I just couldn't do it.

923
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: I couldn't sleep. I worried all the time. My heart

924
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: just continued to be called back to the different countries.

925
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: We ended up landing in Uganda, which is where loved

926
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: One is now because basically that's where Jessie Love is from.

927
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: But when you have ever held a dying child, you

928
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: don't forget it. And that's what me to do it.

929
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean, on a weekly basis, I get photos and

930
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: babies that truly are skin and bones on oxygen, and

931
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: I think about their moms sitting there in the hospital

932
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: next to him, wondering if they're going to take their

933
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: last breath, yet they don't have the money to pay

934
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: for them to have the oxygen that's on on their face.

935
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: And you know, Kevin, I tell my kids all the time,

936
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: we only have one life and what are we going

937
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: to do with it while we're here? And so for

938
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: me to answer your question, that's what moves me to

939
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: continue to do it.

940
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like might think the thing that you

941
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: that what really struck me with what you said is

942
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: that you felt like you didn't really have a choice,

943
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: that it just you just had to do it, and

944
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: that it it. It sounds like also that it continues, it

945
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: feels better, a lot better than doing nothing, and it

946
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: continues to give back in that way. I mean, you

947
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: must feel a tremendous sense of I don't know, just

948
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: pride or energy to keep going. When you see a situation,

949
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: when you see a child whose life is saved or

950
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: moved or moved to a nice home or whatever, that

951
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: must that must really fill you up.

952
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: I would think.

953
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: It makes the heart happy. And I looked at a

954
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: mom who was once holding her child, worried about it,

955
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: and then their child is healthy, rating around their community,

956
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: and it does you know, I feel like that that's

957
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: what my number one calling in life is to be

958
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: a mom to my children and a wife to my husband.

959
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: But I do feel like that he has given me

960
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: a passion in my heart to do more to help

961
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: other babies and moms, and thankfully now we have a

962
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: way and means to be able to do that.

963
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: So you said that loved One is on the ground

964
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: in Uganda. Explain to me what happens on a day

965
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: to day basis how the organization functions there.

966
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So children come to us in several different ways.

967
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: We have moms who truly strap their babies to their back,

968
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: walk for miles and knock on our door. We have

969
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: community liaisons or unity leaders that are out in all

970
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: the different villages and if there's a child that's in need,

971
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: they'll call the loved One Admin center and say, hey,

972
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 3: we have a child that needs care. Or the hospitals

973
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: that are in our area they'll call and say there's

974
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: a child that has come they need medical care, but

975
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: their parents can afford it. And so our staff goes

976
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: in and they do a medical assessment on a child

977
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: or out in the community or either on our center

978
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: when they show up and they see what their basic

979
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: needs are. We have several pediatricians, nurses, social workers, nutritionists,

980
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: we figure out kind of what they need, but our

981
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: first step or stop is always make sure they go

982
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: to the hospital so we have an overview medically to

983
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: know if they have any secondary infections that are accompanying

984
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: the malnutrition. We get a medical care that they need

985
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: at the hospital, make sure that that's paid for and

986
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: the mom is there with them or a caretaker is there.

987
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Then they bring them to our center. A lot of

988
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: times once we get rid of the secondary infection, they're

989
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: so malnourished they can't have solid foods. Their bodies want

990
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: to absorb the nutritional like the substance, and so we

991
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: have to start on a liquid diet that's full of awe.

992
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: It's just packed full of vitamins and nutrients to kind

993
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: of get them boost into where then their body can

994
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: absorb the other solid foods. Then our nutritionists make a

995
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: specific meal for that child depending on what their situation is,

996
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: and they start feeding that child that meal. In the beginning,

997
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: when they first come, they typically kind of sit and

998
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: they they're sad and well, they've just been sick and

999
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: they haven't had energy to do anything. But once they

1000
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: start getting healthy and then they start playing with the

1001
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 3: other children and they have energy and they go from

1002
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: sitting in a corner or laying in the bed to

1003
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: actually getting out and playing. Then we start if they

1004
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: need physical therapy, we can give them physical therapy. We

1005
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: have a spiritual peace to our program to where where

1006
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 3: everybody that comes through the doors we're trying to share

1007
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: the love of Jesus and tell them just about Christ.

1008
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: Then once they get healthy and they're ready to go

1009
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: back home, we have their families come in and do

1010
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: training the whole time they're at they're at our center,

1011
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: we train them on nutrition, on hygiene, preventative measures, on

1012
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: you know, how to keep your child from getting in

1013
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: this situation again. And then when they're ready to go home,

1014
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: we bring their families in. We send them home with

1015
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: a meal for about a month for them and their families, mattresses,

1016
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:44,479
Speaker 3: mosquito nets, Bibles in their language, and we resettle them,

1017
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: make sure they're okay, and then our social workers go

1018
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: back and do follow up checkouts just to make sure

1019
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: that they're continuing to stay healthy and thrives.

1020
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: Wow, that is that's kind of a full service situation.

1021
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: That's that's incredible. You know, Thomas fred I didn't even

1022
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: ask how is how is your little girl doing? How's

1023
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: the adjustment been? I mean, she's been here for quite

1024
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: a few years now, but how's that going.

1025
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: It's uh, it's been the biggest blessing of my entire life,

1026
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: you know. You know Suzanne was talking about, you know,

1027
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 4: right when we sort of decided that we were going

1028
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 4: to adopt the rules, did change, you know. So I

1029
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: don't think we I don't think we thought we were

1030
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: going to live in Uganda for as long as we did.

1031
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 4: But but that time being in Uganda for that long

1032
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: really opened my eyes up to just a whole different

1033
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: kind of life, you know, Like Suzanne said, like we

1034
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: all of us are on this podcast or are so

1035
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: blessed and there is not anything that we couldn't hop

1036
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: on Amazon right now and have delivered to our doorstep

1037
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 4: in twenty four hours, you know. And so I think

1038
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 4: when you see that type of poverty, and you see

1039
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: that type of malnutrition, and you start to play with

1040
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: a bunch of kids, I mean I literally I remember

1041
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 4: walking to the children's home one day, was just a

1042
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: bracelet on and it was like the kids just swarmed me,

1043
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 4: asking me.

1044
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 5: For my bracelet.

1045
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: You know, it's just I think I was just like,

1046
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: how can you all, how can you be so happy

1047
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 4: in these circumstances where I live in a world full

1048
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 4: of excess and there are so many days where I'm

1049
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: just like either non content or at a want for more.

1050
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: And I think that surrounding myself with so many of

1051
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: the of the folks in Uganda, it just changed my

1052
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: outlook on life and honestly transformed my heart. And so

1053
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 4: every day that I wake up and I get to

1054
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: see Willi Gray, it's just absolutely incredible. And so you know,

1055
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 4: next year we're actually going to take Willi Grade back

1056
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: to Uganda for the first time, wow since twenty sixteen,

1057
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 4: So wow, Wow. Willi Gray talks about it all the time.

1058
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: Every night we got to bread. She prays for her

1059
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: friends in Uganda and loves seeing pictures and loves getting

1060
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: updates all the kids that love one is helping, and it's.

1061
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 5: Just been incredible. Man.

1062
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: She and Willi Gray at a young age are He

1063
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: has a heart for wanting to go and do it

1064
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: as well, which is which is pretty awesome for wille

1065
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: Grade to get to watch her mom, you get to

1066
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: watch Susanne do it, because it's I think it's lighting

1067
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 4: a fire in her heart to kind of go back

1068
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 4: to Uganda and and uh and uh you know, she's

1069
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 4: so obsessed with learning about her culture and learning about

1070
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: her friends and and uh. So it's going to be

1071
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: a very special time for for us and our family

1072
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 4: to you know, to get to take WILLI grade back

1073
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 4: to Uganda and get to kind of watch her kind

1074
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: of reunite with with a bunch of our friends. So

1075
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: it's been incredible. Man, it's been the big blessings of

1076
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: my life. Yeah, that's great.

1077
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: You know this some podcast was sort of started with

1078
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 2: the idea, I mean, you two are the perfect example

1079
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: of what we're trying to do in this in this

1080
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: situation where you have somebody who is incredibly successful in

1081
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: in uh in you know, in one way, and then

1082
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: also finds the time and the passion to do something

1083
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: good in the world, and through that has found someone

1084
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: who is generally unsung like you, Susan uh and and

1085
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: giving both of these people an equal voice. So thank

1086
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: you so much for for being here. I mean, this

1087
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: is your your exactly what we're talking about on this

1088
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: on this podcast. But is there a call to action,

1089
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: like how can how can people help? Where can they

1090
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: get in touch with you find out about the organization.

1091
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: Let's give it a shout out.

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Speaker 3: And well, we have our website. It's www dot leve

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Speaker 3: one International dot org. You can find us on all

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Speaker 3: our socials. It's eleven one I N T. And you know,

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Speaker 3: we started out honestly, Kevin, I thought, if I can

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Speaker 3: help five longs or five babies, and that's five babies

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Speaker 3: that would live that wouldn't ordinarily be able to live.

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Speaker 3: And we're five years in. It was five years in

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Speaker 3: April that we kind of just put our sword down

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Speaker 3: in Uganda, and we've helped over eleven thousand children. Amazing,

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Speaker 3: and so I think, so we've gone from a little

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Speaker 3: bitty house that held ten children to now our center

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Speaker 3: will hold forty five. And we just started construction and

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Speaker 3: we're hoping to be finished in twenty twenty four for

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Speaker 3: a rehab center that'll hold over one hundred children. And

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Speaker 3: so we started out with one district in Uganda and

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Speaker 3: now we're touching ten. And so as we grow, our

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Speaker 3: operating costs to go up. And you know, I think

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Speaker 3: if that's one of the biggest things that Thomas, Rent

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Speaker 3: and Lauren have played such a significant role in just

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Speaker 3: helping us as we've grown to be able to fund

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Speaker 3: what you know has come our way, and I would

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Speaker 3: love to touch every district in the entire country and

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Speaker 3: just making be just a huge impact for malnourished babies

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Speaker 3: in Uganda. And I think learning t are both kind

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Speaker 3: of have that fire in them now that we've actually

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Speaker 3: watched it and be able to grow. You start out

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Speaker 3: going can we do it? Can we not do it?

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Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden it starts happening, and

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Speaker 3: so it feels your fire to do more and to

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Speaker 3: help more. And so I just think anybody that wants

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Speaker 3: to come alongside us and help the babies that we're serving,

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Speaker 3: we would be more than happy to take them along

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Speaker 3: with us on our journey. Day.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys for your time. Thomas Rhetz's in

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Speaker 2: Mary Nick, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 5: Kevin, thank you so much, man. This is huge. We

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Speaker 5: cannot thank you enough. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's huge for me too, So thanks a lot for being.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, thanks for listening to another episode of Six

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Speaker 2: Degrees with Kevin Bacon. If you want to learn more

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Speaker 2: about Love One International, all you got to do is

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Speaker 2: head to their website. At www dot Loveweinternational dot org.

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Speaker 1: You can find all.

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