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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's TS R. Car voice of Sabine Wren

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Speaker 1: Specter five. You are currently listening to the Pot of Rebellion.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not alone here. I am joined by my friends,

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Speaker 1: the first one being.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 4: It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two,

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Speaker 4: thrilled to be here by none other.

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Speaker 3: Than then, the second one being Taylor Gray, Spector six,

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Speaker 3: and the third one being and everybody.

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Speaker 5: It's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Ley Brody. And today

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Speaker 5: we're going over Star Wars Rebels Season two, episode twenty

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Speaker 5: the Mystery of Chopper Bass.

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Speaker 1: Why you shouldn't allow me to? Can we just let

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Speaker 1: Vaneska and Taylor do it?

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Speaker 3: That's perfect? That is great. How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Check your time.

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Speaker 2: I'm clearly doing great.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm on it, I know what's happening, and I'm

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Speaker 4: I just want to say that ever since we started

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the.

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Speaker 4: Apocalypse or an ode to the what is it the

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Speaker 4: Mariah bird that we see at the end of this

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Speaker 4: But there's hawks and.

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Speaker 4: Hawks, Yeah, there's I think the hawks and the crows

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Speaker 3: Showdown the Sharks and the Jets.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I feel that there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: I feel that there' you have multiple hawks outside right now,

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Speaker 4: I used to watch them over at my house as well,

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Speaker 4: very close to here, just over a hill, but you

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Speaker 2: Think of the Mariah the owl figure. You know, Taylor

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Speaker 2: it's yes, it's a that is. The character's name is

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Speaker 2: Mariah oh okay. But but those that she's an she's

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Speaker 1: Done recap and we've already given jay z Mari was

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Speaker 4: She appeared in various depictions of the force wielders alongside

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Speaker 4: Mariah became a friend of former Jedi padawan Ahsokatano, whom

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Speaker 4: Tanou claimed that she owned the convoy or sorry, she

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Speaker 5: I agree, Mariah is a great name.

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Speaker 5: Is exactly all right. So here comes the recap for

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Speaker 5: Star Wars Reble season two, episode twenty, the Misterio Chopper Base,

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Speaker 5: Season two, episode twenty, The Mystery Chopper Bass. That's kind

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Speaker 3: It's so hard to say goodbye to Yesterday is a

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Speaker 3: No, but it's so funny because you already say goodbye

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Speaker 3: It's an amazing title.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I know, I'm really selling it to you

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Speaker 4: Yesterday, and yet it's so now. Come on, you have

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have no choice but say goodbody yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I realized. Literally, it's so hard, is the thing.

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Speaker 3: It's hilariously good. It's like the son is going to rise.

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Speaker 5: Don't know what you're missing with boys to men, my friends.

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Speaker 3: Somebody all kind of I'm at the age like at

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Speaker 2: It's your way. It's before you were like born. When

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Speaker 1: Let me, I just texted it to you so you

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Speaker 2: After we get done with one more question. When I

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Speaker 3: Same thing? I know, I know depeche No, But same

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Speaker 2: Know a lot of music that came out before you

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I think that about anything.

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Speaker 2: I'll understand this eventually. Well, I thought you're like a

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Speaker 3: I think you're you know what I mean when there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was before this song came up, before I

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Speaker 5: Sure it's a bit of a somber one. But Okay, Taylor,

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Speaker 5: what music are you into? Because I knew you play music,

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Speaker 3: I'm just kind of it does kind of go everywhere,

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Speaker 3: or like, I mean, give me some Jake Cole. Yeah, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 4: Kind of Willie Nelson, who did you leave us? We

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Speaker 3: There's live music within one hundred yards I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 4: I see it now. I did not see it watching

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Speaker 4: You're right, even those tableaus like that's how Zed experiences

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Speaker 4: There is something about that is sometimes waiting for a

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Speaker 2: Not so, I am not a fan, No, I am Harry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I remember. I could barely watch this episode

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're not as powerful of a Jeti's.

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Speaker 1: Like spiders, like actual spiders, they're not malicious or evil

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Speaker 5: Like I think, I don't know, well, I think maybe

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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, And then why do you why do

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Speaker 3: But what do you? But haven't they can't Like I

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Speaker 5: because when you think of the cumulative effect of what's

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00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 5: been happening the past few episodes and what they're about

442
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 5: to embark on after this, you know what it's like

443
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 5: when you're in like high alert your fight or flight,

444
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 5: you're not really thinking as clearly as I would believe

445
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 5: the force need you to think. Or it's uh, and

446
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 5: Jac can correct me on this one. We get there.

447
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 5: But it's from what I've learned from listening to JC

448
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 5: and what limited knowledge I have of Star Wars, that

449
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: sort of connection with the forest kind of requires some

450
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 5: sort of internal safety and I don't think Ezra has

451
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 5: that in this episode because it's almost operating out of fear,

452
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 5: which again fear least of all these other things. So

453
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 5: that's how I felt like it makes sense that he

454
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 5: couldn't make that connection in this episode. I just viewed

455
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 5: it as like this dysregulation and emotional overload in his case,

456
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,479
Speaker 5: and it's like mentally blocking him from tapping into it.

457
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 5: That's that's just how I viewed.

458
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: It makes sense.

459
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 5: All right, Then there we have it. I wrote down

460
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 5: the quote from Sabine times like these, I really wish

461
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 5: I had a jetpack, and I wrote in my notes,

462
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 5: oh tis gonna like this and I liked it too.

463
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but luckily you had a Jedi.

464
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: Luckily I had two Jedis that force pushed me into oblivion?

465
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: Answer joined one.

466
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't use one because I think I got

467
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: double the uh torque on that than I needed. But

468
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: also I just I loved it because yes, I needed

469
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: a Jedi, but I didn't need a lightsaber. I needed

470
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: a jet pack in that moment. I just want to

471
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: say again for the record.

472
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: I loved bloom A Pilot. By the way, I think

473
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: we're changing the subject.

474
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: Now, bloom as the wait what as which one.

475
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 2: As the rebel pilot? Well, no, I'm sorry. Was there

476
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: more to chew on in that?

477
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: I regret because it was I was traumatized by watching

478
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 4: you call over the cliff. I thought I was going

479
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: to throw up when that happened. I agree with you,

480
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: and I think I also wish you had a jet pack.

481
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: Jet packs are very useful light sack.

482
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right.

483
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: I've said my I don't know that you want.

484
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: I've also seen the poll results, so let's keep quep.

485
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: But yeah, that would have been helpful. I liked I

486
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 3: liked how he called the sith red blades.

487
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 7: Yeah.

488
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: It was kind of a sweet way referring to them.

489
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: It's so casual. I don't know it. Yeah, yeah, like

490
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: it made ZEB feel And this is kind of to

491
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: what you're saying, John, of like, uh, I think you

492
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 3: called it like anticipatory grief, for like when you're we

493
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: always go to sports, don't you Like when you're in

494
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: a locker room for a big game. I've sat there

495
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: and everyone else goes through a different thing, even though

496
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: there's a singlar experience. You're about to take on your

497
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: feeling stories that are different. You're nervous, but everyone some

498
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: people show their nerves, some people nothing stone cold. Some

499
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: people listen to music dancing. Some people are like talking

500
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: to their their friend in another state on the phone,

501
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And to see that ZEB

502
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 3: like puts on music and it's like, you're gonna be okay,

503
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: you'll be back, you will, You're gonna go take on

504
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: the Red Blades. I was just cool, Like that felt

505
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: and I don't mean human, like literally human, but like real,

506
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: and I thought that was cool.

507
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's sort of transition anxiety. But everyone has their

508
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: different way of going about it. And the whole sports

509
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 5: analogy is so valid because you took me back when

510
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 5: talking about it, because I was thinking of what this

511
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 5: person was doing, what I was doing. It was always

512
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: the national anthem that got me nervous up until the

513
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 5: final line. Then I was like, okay, let's go. Like

514
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 5: I was never nervous up until the national anthem started playing,

515
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, I'm like my heart started beating,

516
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 5: and but then when they got to that final note,

517
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, let's let's do this.

518
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: I was about to say the lasting of fine, but

519
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: is it home?

520
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 5: With the break as soon as they get to that

521
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 5: part and Atlanta the as soon as they got to

522
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: that part, all my nerves went away every single time,

523
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 5: and probably my brain was building some sort of regulatory

524
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 5: defense mechanims or whatever. But yeah, that's the interesting thing

525
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 5: about this episode of everyone knows that everything's going to

526
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 5: be different, which it is. We you know, kind of

527
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 5: know what happens after this episode, and that's why I

528
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 5: use the analogy of that's that last night of summer

529
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: before everybody goes off to college, because you know, like,

530
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 5: even though we may come back and see each other again,

531
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 5: it's gonna be different, you know, it's it's it's never

532
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 5: going to be exactly the same, or or the movie.

533
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 5: The one of my favorite lines in Sinners is like

534
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 5: at the very end with Buddy guys like he like

535
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: and Michael B. Jordan's characters, like, yeah, from a moment

536
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 5: like we were free Like that day was perfect up

537
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 5: until this moment. If we could freeze a moment, that

538
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 5: was it. And I feel like some of that is,

539
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 5: you know, the under lying theme of what's going on

540
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 5: with this group.

541
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, we'll never say good body, dang it.

542
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: Well, you actually listen to it.

543
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: After I, oh, yeah, I actually these headphones are not connected.

544
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: And then you should just go on a little bit

545
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: of a deep dive, like.

546
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: Just just listen, it's gonna be ay.

547
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: Thanks. I'm going to listen to some boys to men

548
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: myself because it's been a while.

549
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 5: But also with the anticipatory grief we see it with

550
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: Harah in the cave with a line that I wrote down,

551
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 5: we got to get used to not having them around.

552
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: She actually splits up the group, and that to me

553
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 5: is a gut punch.

554
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh that was oh man. Being's face was so mmm

555
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: because like we know what happens eventually, and so probably

556
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: when I watched this the first time, that didn't have

557
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: nearly as much sort of poignancy or meaning as it

558
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: did this time, because I was.

559
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: Like, oh god, that's that's got me right, got me right?

560
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: And feels so did the moment betwe? I mean the

561
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: moment between Canaan and Harah, wow, like so intimate. And

562
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: also I had a question like it feels like upon

563
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: this rewatch, it feels like those moments are so few

564
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: and far between, like.

565
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: Did we not does it? Does it? Do we get more?

566
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: As the seasons go on, because I feel like as

567
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: we've been watched rewatching and then talking about these, we've

568
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: only gotten these these really you know, intimate moments between

569
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: Canaan and Haara like one other time, two other times,

570
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: one other time, really when it makes it more.

571
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: Like poignant to me. But yeah, reirdly it sticks out

572
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: in a really nice way. I was like, I get

573
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: I get that. I think they did a really good

574
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: job stip sort of like feeling I felt how like

575
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: the stakes of everyone, like Harris says like, yeah, there's

576
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: multiple lines about like we're gonna be without them and

577
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: it's not just you leaving and also taking him like

578
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: it's it's it's really good.

579
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: I liked.

580
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: And also that image I think I've seen you sign

581
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: stuff at cons like that.

582
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought, I don't know if I was

583
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: imagining this, But when Hara goes in to hug him,

584
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: there's like this little look of surprise, like she's hugging me.

585
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: There's like he's like, oh, she's cuddling what like, and

586
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: then he comforts her. But there's that that same guy

587
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: who was nervous to meet her parents, Like I thought

588
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: I saw a flash of that and I realized.

589
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a cartoon. But I felt like there

590
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: was a little bit like, yo, she's hugging me.

591
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he turns into can turns into such a goober

592
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: when you when he allows himself to you know, around you,

593
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: around Haarra.

594
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he sort of leaned into it. I

595
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: thought that was really dear. Yeah, I agree, and I

596
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: agree it did hit harder.

597
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: I think Sabine your face, your reaction to Haarah saying.

598
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: We have to get used to them made it even

599
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: worse because it's it's like a it's it's a moment.

600
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: Of like panic, despair and like what yeah, yeah, all

601
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: all at once.

602
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: There was so much goin and they held on your

603
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: reaction for a while.

604
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, they were saying, Sabine's going to miss them.

605
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to say goodbye.

606
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: It's not hard to say goodbye. Why doesn't Rex have

607
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: a weapon? Why does he need to be a laster?

608
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: It was like, what he's not strapped?

609
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: Like what's going on?

610
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: But he was She's like here and he's like thanks,

611
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa you got nothing?

612
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's a question for JC, but why is Lord?

613
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

614
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: Why is Rex unequipped?

615
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's a good question, I.

616
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: Guess, but it seems unwise, seems imprudent.

617
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's old school, you know, yeah, like that this

618
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: is a deep cook. There's this do you ever see

619
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: the movie Commando? It's this Arnold sauz Naker movie from

620
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: like the eighties.

621
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: Years ago that I've never seen.

622
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 5: The final guy that it's this guy. Well it was

623
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 5: a time Taylor. But there's this guy that Arnold fights

624
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 5: to the d named Bennett. He was just like mesh

625
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 5: vests and everything, and he could shoot Arnold down, but

626
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 5: he's like, I don't need no gun and he throws

627
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: it away. He's like, I'll kill you with my bear.

628
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: That's what I thought, Yeah, I don't need no gun.

629
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: So I think of the guy in Commando.

630
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: But he did need my gun. He did.

631
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: Oh, letson learning now, hopefully he'll on the subject just

632
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: a bean. I also I saw her because in the

633
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 5: moment before that Canaan and Harrimone that you just talked about,

634
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 5: she's acting as this like emotional truth teller to tell

635
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: Canaan like, hey, dude, like do you not see what's

636
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 5: actually happening? Like she do you know how much she

637
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 5: cares about you? Because if you don't now like and

638
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 5: then that's what what caana needed to hear to maybe

639
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: get him out of his whole, for lack of better termine,

640
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: like work mode, Like he wasn't thinking about his personal feelings.

641
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: And I just feel like that was such a great

642
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 5: moment for the being character, even though it's like one line,

643
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: It's like that awoke that part of Canaan's brain that

644
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 5: he needed to wake up so that they could have

645
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 5: that moment, And I thought that was really cool.

646
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it also you know, like the two of

647
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: we as well not we learn. I guess people that

648
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: have watched the show more than me have been aware

649
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: like Cannon and Harah both feel so strongly about the

650
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: cause that they push their feelings for each other aside

651
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: and down and underneath, and you know, because there are

652
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: more important things to do, quote unquote, like there are

653
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: bigger tasks at hand and this has to go you know,

654
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: follow by the wayside.

655
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: And so.

656
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: It's I think it's nice that someone in his you know,

657
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: in our circle, that knows them both so so well

658
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: and so intimately it can be like hey, dumb, dumb,

659
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: like go over there, like fix this or like get

660
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, like just to kind of like be a

661
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a wake up call because they're so

662
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: immersed in what we're doing on this grand scale and

663
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: like we're saving the war, we're saving the galaxy, and

664
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: they don't allow themselves to feel their feelings for each other.

665
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: And I think they just maybe need a little bit

666
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: of a little shake, a little shake of the shoulders.

667
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 5: You know, feeling can be scary, you know. And I

668
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: feel like and I would love all youall's thoughts on

669
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 5: this as well, because you having inhabited these characters for

670
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 5: all that time, you know, when you think about all

671
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: the trauma that these collective characters have experienced, and I

672
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: know that I can speak from my own experience when

673
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: I've gone through something like that, it's easier to shut

674
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 5: down and not feel because then you're in your mind,

675
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 5: your emotional and psychological immune sism saying if you shut

676
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 5: this away, then you're eliminating the chance of you getting

677
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 5: hurt again. And I feel like that has to play

678
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: a factor here, because when you think about what Hara

679
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 5: has gone through, what Sabine's gone through, but Canaan went through,

680
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 5: what Ezra's gone through, it's probably easier of like let's

681
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: just not feel and let's focus on the task at hand.

682
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 5: But then what Sabine says the Canaan a moment, and

683
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 5: then Canaan and Haarra giving themselves permission to feel, even

684
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 5: though they know everything's going to change after this, they

685
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 5: at least gave from the hotel that moment to feel.

686
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 5: I'm curious your thoughts on that. From a personal standpoint,

687
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: but also from embodying these characters, I.

688
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: Felt closer to the characters when they can deal with

689
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: each other directly that way.

690
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: I think.

691
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: It's a measure of friendship.

692
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 4: When you tell someone something that's hard for them to hear,

693
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: it's sort of your calling out their blind spot. And

694
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 4: you don't do that for people you don't care about.

695
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: So to witness that it made me feel closer to

696
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 4: their chosen family.

697
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: I respect that when.

698
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: People tell the truth of what they see, even if

699
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: it's hard for the other person to hear it, or

700
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 4: it's what they need to give themselves permission to access

701
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: a conversation they wouldn't otherwise.

702
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: You walk into.

703
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: And that is a really powerful moment. Once Sabine just

704
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 4: calls it lets me know how her relationship has evolved

705
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: with Canaan to be able to call him out like that,

706
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: you know, to wake him up.

707
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: I think it's it's the biggest gift you can give

708
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: to a friend. Really, yeah, I agree with that.

709
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a rough, it's a it's a really

710
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: emotional episode. I can't stop thinking about your question, Taylor though,

711
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 4: about why the animals don't respond. And first look, they

712
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 4: go to this base and they're saying, this is where.

713
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: This is our new rebel base. And Hara's just hell

714
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: bent on making work. Now get the thing. I want

715
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: it to work. No, I'm not giving up, blah blah blah.

716
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: But this is their space. And like from you know, maybe.

717
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: It's it's not always the animal's job to acquiesce to us,

718
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: because maybe.

719
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: What we're doing is wrong, do you know what I mean?

720
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: We're taking over their area and being like, yo, why

721
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: aren't you you know, like maybe maybe they it is

722
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: their territory and they have the right to defend it,

723
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 4: and maybe it wasn't right of us to just move

724
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: ourselves into their world. And wonder what's wrong with them

725
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: that they're not getting with the program, Like maybe there

726
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 4: is some sort of not morality to it. But you know,

727
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 4: the pergole they talk to you, I would think that

728
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: you would have been able to access them.

729
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: But I feel like there might be a.

730
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: Lesson in that that sometimes it's wrong for you to

731
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: just make yourself at home in someone else's environment and

732
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: you're not going to get through to them and make

733
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: them like it, you know, or I don't know, am I?

734
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: I just I totally agree with what you're saying. Yeah,

735
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

736
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 4: Maybe that that's a lesson within this episode that sometimes

737
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 4: it doesn't always not that we're the bad guys here,

738
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 4: but I do think that we shouldn't expect these animals

739
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: who have been peacefully living there to love.

740
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: That we're now going to make our own just because

741
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: Hair is hell bent on it, right, I totally agree.

742
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: I think we should have given that line to a

743
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: Soca when he's like, why can't I go? Why couldn't

744
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: she have had some insight?

745
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, anyway, And also circling back, I didn't mean

746
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: to interrupt the jet pack conversation with the Steve Bloom

747
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: thing as a rebel pie. I just didn't want to

748
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 4: forget to give him a shout out, So I'm sorry

749
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 4: I can interrupt.

750
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: It didn't Ashley voice that other Yeah, yeah, who is.

751
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: It that it sounded like Ashley? But then I was like, wait, yeah,

752
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: maybe not.

753
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: I should just like those things up. I'm like, guys,

754
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: I was wondering this thing. I wish there was a

755
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: way to let me see look at the answer. I

756
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: guess we'll never know.

757
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 5: That's part of the fun. Is just kind of bet you.

758
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: I bet you JC knows, I bet I m dB.

759
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 5: I'm trying one of them.

760
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: I did for a couple of episodes of our recording.

761
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: Go do the IMDb trivia that is It's pretty funny.

762
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: It has just like random who writes that for each

763
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: episode you Yeah, it all have like the name of

764
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: my guy, a character that you were like that they

765
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: had a name.

766
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it was actually it says.

767
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 5: And Er was she Seiser? Yeah, the one that got captured.

768
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 2: Good good, good ear. Yeah. Shout out to ke Young

769
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: Soto Sorry okay.

770
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 5: No, I mean give all the shot outs to We

771
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: should get him on here sometime. I love my gosh,

772
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 5: I love he has such a long career in this

773
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 5: industry too. Because I randomly remembered him from this episode

774
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: of Family Matters and we probably remember do you remember

775
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: the episode where Steve plays like poker with Carl and

776
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 5: his police buddies is one of like the police buddies.

777
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 5: Really yeah, and Steve Herkle does this whole thing which

778
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: you could probably you know, he's speaking him in Japanese

779
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 5: and say huh. He's like, oh, I speaking your native

780
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: do it? I'm from Omaha.

781
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: It's so he posted on social media. I don't know

782
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: if this was today fifteen hours ago.

783
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: It says fifty nine years a member of sag Actress

784
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: Guild and still out there, taken down names and he's

785
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: oh so he.

786
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: Is no chain.

787
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: Wow fifteen respect respect.

788
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: That's two podcast episodes in a row that we have

789
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: referenced to Family Wow. Taylor, I assume you've never seen

790
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: an episode of Family Matters just because it was real.

791
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: And I'll say this because I jac if I know you,

792
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: this might be going through your mind. And I'm sorry

793
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 5: to be to the punch, but you'll have one that

794
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 5: one up me anyway. Julia White was in Skeleton Crew,

795
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 5: so there's our other Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he has a

796
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: really cool role on that. So there's our whole Family

797
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: Matters connection.

798
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: Wow.

799
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 2: I feel better.

800
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 5: I'm glad. I'm glad that I'm glad, Julia like and

801
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: bring you Catharsis.

802
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: I did an episode of a game show It's called

803
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: twenty five Words ls and I he was my like

804
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: celebrit the opponent, and I.

805
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: Was not cool at all.

806
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: He is the nicest, He's so great, lovely, just a

807
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: really just a great guy.

808
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: And I was like fully.

809
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: Not able to be chilled because I like, I grew

810
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: up watching Family Matters And this is really embarrassing.

811
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: But I used to do I'm not going to say

812
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: this because impression. Yeah, I used to. I would get

813
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: like at like family parties.

814
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: I would go upstairs and put on my red suspenders

815
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: and glasses and.

816
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: I would come down.

817
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: The stairs and then jump up and say did I

818
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: do that? And I am so embarrassed to admit that.

819
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I got to meet.

820
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: No, no, that's not happening.

821
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: I have a little fun fact for you. Zara Leonis,

822
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: who was on Rebels, Yeah, was played by Brighton James,

823
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: who was on Family Matters by Little Richie.

824
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: Wait what did you just say?

825
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 6: Huh?

826
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: What?

827
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 7: Who?

828
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: There were the ones out there?

829
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Well no, no, I just I didn't understand you said

830
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: a lot of words that I didn't understand what they

831
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: were who.

832
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: On Family Matters, there's a character named Richie. Yeah, the

833
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: little kid in the family's played by Brighton James, and

834
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: he was on Rebels. He played zare Leones.

835
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: No what Yeah in season one. If I'm not mistake,

836
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 5: I think Dante said that it was you, Dante and

837
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: Brighton that were up for Ezra and then that's yeah,

838
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 5: and that's why Day brought Brighton and Dante back for

839
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: that episode. If I if I'm remembering correctly, I believe

840
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 5: that's what Dante said.

841
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, I've seen Family Matters good. All right, attack.

842
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: It's very good. You should it's a.

843
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 5: It's a very good show.

844
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: I wasn't born when it came out.

845
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure you didn't.

846
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Here, guys, look at what a absolute dufat.

847
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm like trying really hard not to like squeal.

848
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: Probably it's a great photo. I love that.

849
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

850
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 5: That's a great photo. I love that. I love that

851
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 5: you had that moment. And I love that he was

852
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 5: cool because I've heard the best things about him.

853
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 7: He was.

854
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: I think I beat him on that episode.

855
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 5: So he was like Stephan when he was like the

856
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 5: cool like he.

857
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: Was definitely more stefan.

858
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, wow, if you know, you know, I really

859
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: do feel better if heels. Let me tell you, it's

860
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 5: the remedy for a lot of things. So on the

861
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: stud think of Ashley and then you know, Ahsoka comes

862
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: back and says that whole thing. The more you know

863
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: about the forest, the more you realize how much you

864
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: don't know what ket in on me in this one.

865
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 5: And funny enough, I didn't mention music on the last episode,

866
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 5: but the music in that scene was like the stripped

867
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 5: version of like the Imperial March the Dune Dune, but

868
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 5: very slowed down, and the I went that took me

869
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 5: right back to Return at the Jedi, because that's when

870
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: I remember hearing that distinct kind of slowed down solo

871
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: instrumentation version of that particular track, and it was in

872
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 5: that moment where you know Vader's feeling the conflict in

873
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 5: Return of the Jedi. There's some sort of correlation there

874
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: which I'm just I'm just dropping those breadcrumbs out because

875
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 5: I know JC, with his brain power, will be able

876
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 5: to connect the dots. But that's that's what my brain

877
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: went to when I heard them. Oh, that's a very

878
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: specific choice to use that song, but that version of

879
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 5: the song and at this tempo. But it's also like

880
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: this calm before the storm, because you know stuff's gonna

881
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 5: hit the fan. And the next episode, which is a

882
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: two parter, because that's how much stuff is going on,

883
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 5: but we don't.

884
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: Know that, like meaning, we didn't know that they were

885
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: just getting a little sprinkle, a little foreshadowing precisely interesting.

886
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard not to think of the foreshadowing. I mean,

887
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: once we lose Ahsoka or is she.

888
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: Alive or dead and the Mariah remains and flies around,

889
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: there was something kind of spooky about seeing I keep

890
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 4: referring to it as an owl.

891
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: Whatever, it's not an owl, but that bird.

892
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: So many questions erupted or soon to erupt as we

893
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: come to that episode.

894
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: Where we don't know where Ahsoca went.

895
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 4: But again spoiler alert as much later. But I do

896
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 4: feel that it's significant in rewatching it to notice that

897
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: we were given a taste of it here with that

898
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: particular music. That's pretty significant, I think. But what's to

899
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 4: come anyway, I'm sure JC would regale us it's all

900
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: coming all.

901
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 5: I wanted to kind of wrap that up with this

902
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 5: before we get to the fact check unless there's anything else.

903
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: Of course, that that because I always love hearing what

904
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 5: y'all have to say. But when I look at this episode,

905
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 5: I look at the whole notion of whatever base they

906
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 5: get is always going to be temporary, or even whatever

907
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 5: residents you have, it's never forever. But the people in

908
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 5: the relationships you have, even though they're not here forever,

909
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 5: that is permanent. And I feel like we're getting that

910
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: sort of messaging here. But also the cost of growth

911
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 5: is change, because there has been growth amongst the characters,

912
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 5: and thus the inevitable change is coming. So and I

913
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 5: feel like this episode is really embodying that's the hardest

914
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 5: part of the change is in the actual loss. Even

915
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 5: though that is hard, it's the moment you know it's

916
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: coming and there's nothing you can do about it. That's

917
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 5: really what I felt like this episode encapsulated.

918
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed, Yeah, I agree.

919
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: All right, we're all lined.

920
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: But JC, do you agree?

921
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 5: Professor JC? Did we fail the class? Do we pass?

922
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: What do we got today? You guys? I am so sorry.

923
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 7: First, before I anything between the last episode and this episode,

924
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 7: I want to say that my favorite part of being

925
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 7: part of this podcast is that we will take like

926
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 7: the Chopper episode from last week, which is supposed to

927
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 7: be like a silly throwaway episode, and we do like

928
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 7: a solid philosophical hour on like the motivations and the

929
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 7: humanity of a droid and like how you treat things

930
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 7: and as a reflection of like humans. So crazy. I

931
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 7: find like the most ridiculous episodes get the most heady

932
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 7: response from us, which I think is so much fun.

933
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 7: That being said, I went down a music rabbit hole here,

934
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 7: so I may miss some of what you guys were

935
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 7: talking about.

936
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: That's probably for the best, honestly, but.

937
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 7: We'll get there. I'm going to try to go in

938
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 7: order the best I can. Convoy is named after Dave's wife.

939
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 7: A convoy is a Trandoshan bird. That's the owl, that's Maria.

940
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 7: Dave had a quote that was a quote in some ways,

941
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 7: I could say it's a messenger, it's an observer. It

942
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 7: is definitely something, and I would rather have fans debate.

943
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 7: But I would suggest that whatever that thing is an

944
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 7: avatar of has actually appeared in the Animated Stars universe before,

945
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 7: so decript from there. So even at the he's teasing,

946
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 7: he's teaching. I also want to say, Mariah has appeared

947
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 7: all over the place, including in the game Fortniteah.

948
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: What does Fortnite have to do with.

949
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 7: I mean Star Wars skins. You could probably play as

950
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 7: a soaker or something in Fortnite at one point, and

951
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 7: they they dropped Mariah in there. We talked about naming

952
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 7: kids briefly. I have a friend who named their son Anakin,

953
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 7: and so I'll just share for a very short amount

954
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 7: of time. In summer of twenty twenty, we talked about

955
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: calling my daughter jin Rwyn as her name, and then

956
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 7: to go further, jin Rwyn Rifenberg would be Ja, r

957
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 7: would be her initials. My wife is Jennifer and Rifenberg

958
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 7: would be jar, and my two girls would be And

959
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 7: I was like, I have to do it. I have

960
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 7: to do it. And then my wife's mom started calling

961
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 7: the unborn baby jin and my wife and I were

962
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 7: both like, oh.

963
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: We hate that, We hate that.

964
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: We can't do that.

965
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 7: Jin as in jin Urso from Roboy. So we changed

966
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 7: her name to Jocelyn, but we spelled Jocelyn jos l

967
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 7: y n. So it's it's a two syllable instead of

968
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 7: a three syllable names and it references is the spelling

969
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 7: of jin Ursa, which is Jway. So that's kind of

970
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 7: our little nod to Star Wars and naming our kid.

971
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 7: And then her middle name is a reference to an

972
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 7: La Gun song, So take.

973
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 5: That for what it is.

974
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 7: Boys to Men, This is where it started and it

975
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 7: didn't stop here. John mentioned the song It's Hard to

976
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 7: Say Goodbye to Yesterday as a deep cut, and that

977
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 7: I feel like is a very popular boys to men's

978
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 7: song now, so I went on Spotify and I wanted

979
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 7: to see is it in fact a deep cut? Top

980
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 7: ten Boys to Men songs on Spotify? Bye By listens,

981
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 7: End of the Road four hundred and fifteen million listens

982
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 7: and change, I'll Make Love to You three hundred and

983
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 7: forty eight million listens and change.

984
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm three hundred million of them on bended knee.

985
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 7: Three hundred and thirty one million and change. One Sweet

986
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 7: Day two hundred and fifty one million, Motown Philly, which

987
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 7: I would think would be number one, ninety two million

988
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 7: in change. What number six Water Runs Dry seventy five

989
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 7: million in change. Then rounding out the top ten, let

990
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 7: It Snow song for Mama doing just find four seasons

991
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 7: of Loneliness The song is not in the top ten

992
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 7: most played on Spotify. For whatever that is worth.

993
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: Therefore, it's a deep cut, true.

994
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 7: Get to work out of rebellion fans, Let's get that

995
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 7: thing up.

996
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: Let's get it out there.

997
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 7: Like Swifties would just put Taylor's new album on lube.

998
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 7: I just let it play twenty four to seven. Let's

999
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 7: get that song up.

1000
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: It's Justice for Boys to Men.

1001
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 5: That's surprising. I thought they would have been because the

1002
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 5: Megan two point Oho trailer featured it very heavily, and

1003
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 5: I thought maybe that would have bumped up. No, it's interesting,

1004
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 5: But do you guys.

1005
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: Not think or I think that if a song was

1006
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: on the radio and it got heavy radio.

1007
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Play, then it can't be considered a deep cut. Like

1008
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: deep cuts are like B side.

1009
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: Or whenever there were albums and like you know, songs

1010
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: like on the album that never got radio play that

1011
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: you have to know that band and that album, that

1012
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: specific album to know that song.

1013
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1014
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: That's just what I think of when I think of

1015
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: a deep cut. But I remember jamming out to that

1016
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: song on the radio as a child.

1017
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, so I mean what, look, whatever Spotify is worth,

1018
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 7: whatever that algorithm says, you know, I don't know. All

1019
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 7: the metrics on everything have changed. The spiders are called Krikna.

1020
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 7: They are originally a Ralph mcquory design based on a

1021
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 7: Ralph McQuary design. It is not the Knobby White spider,

1022
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 7: which is the actual Ralph McQuary design, which I believe.

1023
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 7: There's the Knobby White ice spider which shows up in

1024
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 7: the Mandalorian season two. Arag Og is the spider from

1025
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 7: Harry Potter, and I just thought i'd throw out there

1026
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 7: Shellub is the spider from Lord of the Rings. Then

1027
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 7: I went down a rabbit hole with diegetic Star Wars music.

1028
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 7: Diegetic meaning music that exists that the characters in the

1029
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 7: show can hear like it's in the.

1030
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 2: Scene and.

1031
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 7: We're gonna lighten it up a little bit here. Well,

1032
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna across some thresholds here that I

1033
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 7: don't know that Steve Bloom's part of Rebellion after Dark

1034
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 7: might touch on the song that we listened to. I

1035
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 7: know Vanessa's like, oh my gosh, what's about to happen?

1036
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 7: Zeb Rock is the song that he's listening to on

1037
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 7: the radio. You can find it on the season two

1038
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 7: Star Wars Rebels soundtrack. If you like it in a

1039
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 7: very clean, unaffected version, it's called zeb rock.

1040
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 5: My guess is it's yeah rock and roll.

1041
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: You guys listening to a song called Zebra.

1042
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: Very meta.

1043
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 7: So the immediate thing I thought of was at the

1044
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 7: beginning of Ahsoka, when Sabine comes into like the Ahsoka

1045
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 7: TV show, Sabine is listening to kind of like a

1046
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 7: punk rock music at the at the beginning called Igya Ka.

1047
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 7: The vocals of that song were done from a woman

1048
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 7: named Sarah Tudsen who has a band called the Illuminati Hotties,

1049
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 7: and that's kind of a punk rock song. Then you

1050
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 7: can go to the canteena band song from a New

1051
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 7: Hope which is called mad About Me. Depending on where

1052
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 7: we want to go with this, that is this is

1053
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 7: going to be controversial. I apologize, here we go. That

1054
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 7: is now called jets Music j A.

1055
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 3: T Z.

1056
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 7: It was originally called jizz Music, but Disney has changed.

1057
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 7: Disney has changed the name to jets because why because

1058
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 7: I think it was supposed to be I think it

1059
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 7: was like the Star Wars take on jazz and when

1060
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 7: whoever decided to.

1061
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably other vowels jaws, Yeah, they want.

1062
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 6: Cha.

1063
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 7: Well, actually, yeah, the other scene that they play. The

1064
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 7: other song that they play in the cantina where kind

1065
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 7: of they're walking over to Han Solo is called the

1066
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 7: Done Sea Special. And then another cantena song that everybody loves.

1067
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 7: Acmena during the Star Wars Holiday special sings a song

1068
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 7: called good Night but Not Goodbye to the jiz tune

1069
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 7: of Matt about Me. Then you get Jedi Rocks in

1070
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 7: Return of the Jedi. Lapti neck used to be in

1071
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 7: Return of the Jedi was taken out in the special edition,

1072
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 7: And there's so many of them, but I'm just going

1073
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 7: to highlight a few. You have Jaba Flow, which was

1074
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 7: Lynn Manuel Miranda who did the music for mas Kanada's

1075
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 7: hideout in The Force Awakens. And that's kind of a

1076
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 7: reggae style music that I don't think has an offensive

1077
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 7: in universe name like the other Augie's Municipal Band is

1078
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 7: like a big band music that plays at the end

1079
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 7: of Star Wars episode one, which my friend David Collins

1080
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 7: pointed out once upon a time, if you slow that

1081
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 7: music down, it is the Emperor's theme. What So if

1082
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 7: you listen to that music, it's the it's the it's

1083
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 7: not power chord, but it's like the main chords and

1084
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 7: the main notes, and then if you go to the

1085
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 7: minor notes, it becomes the and slowed down it becomes

1086
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 7: the Emperor's theme. So at the end of episode one,

1087
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 7: the big band music to celebrate where Boss Nasa is

1088
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 7: like peace, that is actually the Emperor's theme song.

1089
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 5: Interesting, j C would yubnub count and return the Jedi

1090
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 5: original cut.

1091
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 7: Next one, yub Nub yub Nub is the Ewoks singing

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Speaker 7: along and playing Stormtrooper helmets. And then you have music

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Speaker 7: which takes place in Dex's diner in Star Wars episode

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Speaker 7: two that is kind of unique. It doesn't sound like

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Speaker 7: fifties rock and roll. And then there's this song in

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Speaker 7: Skeleton Crew called Youngie whim Bunky Dunko, which is a

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Speaker 7: parody song of Major Tom Coming Home that was sung

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Speaker 7: by Matt Wood and David Collins for the show. So

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Speaker 7: people are really into the music. Because I've only touched

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Speaker 7: on like a third of the diegetic music. We could

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Speaker 7: have David on the show. Yeah, we could have him

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Speaker 7: on the show to talk about the different styles of

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Speaker 7: music in Star Wars and how we get there because

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Speaker 7: there's also a bunch of other stuff that shows up

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Speaker 7: in rebels and clone Wars and those things. Anyway, so

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Speaker 7: I was going down that rabbit hole while you guys

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Speaker 7: were talking about important things. Taylor asked if there's a

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Speaker 7: drinking age in Star Wars. Luca is eighteen and a

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Speaker 7: new hope and he drinks something at the canteena and

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Speaker 7: doesn't get carted on the way in, So maybe it's eighteen.

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Speaker 7: You guys talked about are creatures good or bad? Ezra

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Speaker 7: trying to connect with the spiders and had a very

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Speaker 7: wonderful philosophical conversation about it. I'll approach it from a

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Speaker 7: more practical standpoint, which is, in order to connect with

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Speaker 7: a beast of some sort through the force, it is

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Speaker 7: a you are connecting through the force at an emotional

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Speaker 7: kind of level. And so it would it would make

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Speaker 7: sense that Ezra would have an easier time connecting to

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Speaker 7: like a loft cat, like an animal that has the

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Speaker 7: same kind of central nervous system and feelings and things

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Speaker 7: that just has a different language but feels the same way.

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Speaker 7: Then it then he would like a trandition, which is

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Speaker 7: like a lizard person or a bug, like a Geonosian

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Speaker 7: or a spider because they act instinctually. They don't necessarily

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Speaker 7: have processed thoughts where it's all instinctual. So part of

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Speaker 7: it could just be that the emotional complexity of the

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Speaker 7: of the spiders isn't is so foreign to the way

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Speaker 7: that humans process those things that you cannot make that connection.

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Speaker 7: And it could also be a philosophical thing, meaning like

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Speaker 7: why are you trying to influence these people to leave

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Speaker 7: their own home or spiders? And then you guys talked

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Speaker 7: about the last night of some or before everyone goes

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Speaker 7: off to college. I think John made that reference just

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Speaker 7: reminded me of American graffiti. That's like a wintessential George

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Speaker 7: Lucas movie about that very thing and how everyone handles

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Speaker 7: it differently, and even how everyone handles it differently along

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Speaker 7: the journey from the beginning of the night to the

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Speaker 7: end of the night.

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Speaker 5: So that's what I got. Wow, Wait, what about the

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Speaker 5: Imperial slowed down? Did you find anything on that? Because

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Speaker 5: I just felt like there's nothing's by accident, and I

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Speaker 5: thought of anybody would have had something of an answer

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Speaker 5: that you might didn't I didn't pull.

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Speaker 7: I wasn't able to make a connection there like in

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Speaker 7: my own head, and honestly it could have been. I

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Speaker 7: was just so to men and making sure that I

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Speaker 7: got the statistics right right on that that it I

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Speaker 7: didn't give it. I didn't have enough time to give

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Speaker 7: it proper thought.

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Speaker 5: Fair enough.

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Speaker 7: My home can answer that question.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, thank you, JC, thank everybody as always.

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Speaker 5: So this is a good one. And Vanessa, we didn't

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Speaker 5: even get to bring this up yet because I know

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Speaker 5: the news is out, but with the Mall series is

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Speaker 5: coming out and you have a voice, you have a

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Speaker 5: role in that, so I wanted to, like officially, even

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Speaker 5: though you've known about it, combine the scenes, congrats officially.

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Speaker 5: And I know I've seen a lot of the fan

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Speaker 5: response that they're so happy that you're doing this, but

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Speaker 5: I'm definitely happy for you as well, and can't wait.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm watching it more for for you than

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Speaker 5: I am for Sam, honestly, but I'm just gonna put

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Speaker 5: that and I'm just kidding maybe or not, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: who knows, no, but I'm really.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Yeah, I get to be a Mandalorian

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Speaker 2: in this one. So yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 7: The jetpack lightsaber debate is sliding in the wrong direct

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Speaker 7: and j Ball on that side.

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Speaker 3: I got the numbers.

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Speaker 7: You see, like Darth Maul has two lightsabers, the Mandalorian

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Speaker 7: has a jet pack. How does it stack up? I

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Speaker 7: guess we'll see in real time.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we'll have to watch to find out. April, right,

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Speaker 5: April's when they drop on Disney Plus, Vanessa.

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing, amazing. Well, congrats to you, very happy for

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Speaker 5: you and you It's always nice when you see friends working.

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Speaker 5: So so that's gonna be cool. And so yeah, we

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Speaker 5: will be back next week, maybe with a special guest.

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Speaker 5: We don't know yet, but uh, we never know. We

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Speaker 5: never know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to call me special. It's I'm here

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Speaker 3: every time.

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Speaker 5: No, you're you're the special mainstay. So not the guests.

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Speaker 5: You're You're you're a main stay here.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't say my own boys serious, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, get us out of here. Taylor Potter Rebellion is

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Speaker 5: produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing, Hosted by Vanessa Marshall,

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Speaker 5: Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John Lee Brody Executive producer

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Speaker 5: and in house star wars guru slash back checker J

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Speaker 5: c Riefenberg. Our music was composed by Mikey Flash. Our

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Speaker 5: cover art was created by Neil Fraser of Neil Fraser Designs.

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Speaker 5: Thanks to Holly freand Aaron Kauffman over at iHeart, Evan

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Speaker 5: crasgor At, Willie Morris, Endeavor, Trasa Canobio, George Lucas for

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Speaker 5: creating this universe we love so much, and of course

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