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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: It's a Monday, We're live in Chicago. It is the Herd.

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Speaker 2: It's our number two. It is great to have you in.

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Speaker 1: I just love today when we talk about something and

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Speaker 1: we'd be done something for a while and people push

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Speaker 1: back and go, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, And

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Speaker 1: then two baseball players come out and an owner and go, no,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, you're fined.

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Speaker 2: They're not ruining baseball.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of this was because when I went

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Speaker 1: to dinner with the Cubs owner, I peppered him with

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Speaker 1: questions and his take is, hey, I mean the competition

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Speaker 1: breeds competition, Like the Dodgers are going all in. It

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Speaker 1: forces us to be competitive. We're all trying to have

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Speaker 1: elevated revenue streams. But you know this idea that hey,

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Speaker 1: let's have parody. Why in the world. Should the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: be forced When they make all this revenue annually? They

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Speaker 1: make what do they make? Eight hundred nine hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year? Why should they have to play by

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals in Cincinnati? Red's economy? I mean,

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Speaker 1: baseball makes a fortune in LA, in Chicago, in New York,

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Speaker 1: in Boston, in Atlanta, in Houston, in all over Texas

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Speaker 1: makes a fortune, and just want the owners to pocket

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Speaker 1: all of it. Well, revenue sharing, Why should LA have

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Speaker 1: to share their revenue with Cincinnati? Well, it makes the

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Speaker 1: entire league better? Are you sure Cincinnati will use the

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Speaker 1: money properly and be as well run as the Dodgers?

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Speaker 1: Like the Dodgers are the gold standard right now? Even

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Speaker 1: other rich teams like the Mets and the Yankees aren't

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Speaker 1: as well run. Red Sox aren't as a run. I

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Speaker 1: think Houston's well run when they're not banging on garbage cans.

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Speaker 2: You know, all right? Colin right? Colin wrong? On a Monday,

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Speaker 2: Here we go where Colin was right?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Lebron James said last week admitted it publicly. We the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are not a championship team. Why he acknowledged roster construction.

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Speaker 1: It's a three and D league. We don't have any

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Speaker 1: threes or d's. They're old, they're slow, they're two offensive leaning.

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Speaker 1: They just can't put seven to eight guys on the

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Speaker 1: floor that can compete for an entire game. And Lebron's

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Speaker 1: acknowledging what we've said over and over. The Lakers have

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Speaker 1: a roster construction issue. Where Colin was wrong. Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: I love him. I've had now two in league sources

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Speaker 1: say that he's stiff and not a great athlete. Now,

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Speaker 1: I like bo Nicks more than the rest of everybody,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, There's very little I don't like about Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: But there's an another analyst coming out today saying his

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Speaker 1: you're seeing some red flags. I think he's in a prospect,

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Speaker 1: much in line with Trevor Lawrence as a prospect, and

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Speaker 1: he was highly thought of.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The Athletic did a poll of NFL executives to rank

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Speaker 1: the ten coaching highers, and Kevin Stefanski was number two.

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Speaker 1: When the Browns fired him, I said, you will not

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Speaker 1: find a replacement as good as Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: Also, he was rated higher than Jesse Minter and Clint Kubiak,

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Speaker 1: I just said, be very careful about showing Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 1: We told you where Colin was raw for years. I

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Speaker 2: I always say you should like your.

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Speaker 2: I don't see a way out where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks, many stories reported they were going to

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Speaker 2: They did not. They must have been listening. We are

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Speaker 1: When you replace a great coordinator offensive defense, do not

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are going to make Travis Hunter a starting

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Speaker 1: But what's hard in this league is having a great

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Speaker 1: You know the other thing about this, the NFL's now

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Speaker 1: Sakwon Barkley getting paid. Kenneth Walker's going to get paid.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's running backs will always matter because

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Speaker 1: every year, four or five are starters. And nothing makes

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Speaker 1: And with that, Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback is now

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Speaker 1: joining us live. Okay, Dolphin's moving off Tyreek Hill today

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Speaker 1: does not surprise me. We're going to get a decision

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Speaker 1: on Tua. I would keep him and I would just

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Speaker 1: good guy. I think he's good enough to win some games.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a soft tank. He'd also be willing to

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Speaker 4: Well, this is part of a global effort to reset

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Speaker 4: Colin and I don't think anybody should look at these

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Speaker 4: Tyreek in a vacuum. They had fewer draft picks, just

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Speaker 4: Over the last four years, they have not drafted well.

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Speaker 4: And here's the operative question to me, like, if you

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Speaker 4: of Mike Ntinel, who do we want to hire as

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Speaker 4: where John Schneider came from, right, John Eric Sullivan. And

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Speaker 4: then they hire a defensive coordinator from Green Bay as well,

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Speaker 4: I almost think the TUA thing is a sidecar to

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Speaker 4: I mean, the number is fifty four million for this year,

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Speaker 4: So the question is are you comfortable eating that number?

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Speaker 4: And I think if all things were equal, they would

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Speaker 4: we're eating the fifty four million. That's less, but it's

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Speaker 4: not totally Unlike what the Broncos did with Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: Now what and so you.

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Speaker 4: Know your question has to become a is to better

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Speaker 4: than what we're going to replace him with? Maybe that's

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Speaker 4: Malik Willis coming over from Green Bay, right, and then

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Speaker 4: b these again, this is another thing that's not in

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Speaker 4: But because of the contract, like you said, it's not

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Speaker 4: an easy call. Okay, Kyler Murray is talented. I've defended

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Speaker 4: him forever. He's small, there's a commitment issue many have.

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Speaker 4: It's toxic in Arizona. I would move off him. He's

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Speaker 4: not a backup personality. That's fine. I still argue he's talented.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the market for him?

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Speaker 4: So look, I think what we have to do with

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Speaker 4: both these guys, both Too and Kyler, is just consider

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Speaker 4: them through the Donald Daniel Jones, Baker, Mayfield, Gino Smith Lenz. Right, Like,

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Speaker 4: does somebody look at these guys and say, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: can get more out of him?

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Speaker 2: You know who did a really good job of that.

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Speaker 4: The last couple of years was the Minnesota Vikings. Right,

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Speaker 1: pay off. They're gonna get a top three or four

436
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: pick and they're gonna get one of these great players.

437
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: Spurs paid off, Detroit paid off, I mean, post Duncan

438
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: and Kawai. They try to do it the right way

439
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: for like dMar Deroz and unwatchable no good. So when

440
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: you when you only have one pathway into it, that's

441
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: what you get. So I kind of find myself being

442
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: pro tanking. How is she, Well, it's anti competitive. I've

443
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: been tanking long before this year. It should be noted

444
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: this is not now. It's worse this year, but they've

445
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: been tanking for a long time. But in previous decades

446
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: when they tanked, and previous years when they tanked, it

447
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: was also more of a transactional league, so tanking was

448
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: just one of the options. Now it feels like the

449
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: only option to go from what the Jazz were three

450
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: years ago to now. So tanking was always part of

451
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: the league. But some big markets, like the Lakers, if

452
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: they wanted to rebuild, they go transactional, they go buy

453
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: a player or make a big sweeping trade. They can't

454
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: do that stuff. So I'm going to give you Tak credit.

455
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to give the Pistons credit. I'm going to

456
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: give the Spurs credit like this is the new this

457
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: is the new CBA.

458
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: We're dealing with. This is what we're gonna do to

459
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: get great. Well, it's working Detroit and the Spurs are gray.

460
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Speaker 2: It is interesting. I said this earlier.

473
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Speaker 1: As long as the king is wearing is on the throne,

474
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Speaker 1: the prince can't run your organization.

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Speaker 2: Luca is the prince.

476
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Speaker 1: Lebron's the king, and if he's there, your timelines are

477
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Speaker 1: messed up. You're not really totally Luca's team. Who is

478
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: a flawed player like Carmelo, He's a flawed player. He's

479
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: gotten less dynamic, he doesn't dunk there. I mean, I

480
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: guess we'll go back and I'll ask you again, what

481
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: do you do with the Lebron Lebron component here? The

482
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: article says, well, if he wants to come back, he

483
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: gets to come back. And I think he's going to

484
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: be twenty nine in two years. He's an aging player.

485
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, So I don't think I this is you know,

486
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 8: I'm not reporting this, This is I have not This

487
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 8: is just my gut opinion. I do not believe Lebron

488
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 8: James is retiring, and I do not believe Lebron James

489
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 8: will be a Laker next year. I think wherever the

490
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 8: final chapter is going to be will be somewhere else.

491
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 8: I also think, to Jason Timp's point that it is

492
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 8: a basketball crime that you had Lebron James on your roster,

493
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 8: who Luca modeled his game after, and the types of

494
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 8: players that you need to have around an older Lebron

495
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 8: James to succeed are the exact types of players you

496
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 8: need to have around Luke at Anjiic. Yes, And they

497
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 8: trade for Luke a to Ancic and we're more than

498
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 8: a year removed, and they're like, man, we sure don't

499
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 8: have the right types of guys around him.

500
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Speaker 6: It was you were You should have been ready.

501
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 8: To have Luke on the team because you had a

502
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 8: guy who offensively plays very similarly and as at this

503
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 8: point in his career a lot of the same limitations

504
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 8: because Lebron at forty one isn't a great defender. Does

505
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 8: you know you do need young athletic wings a lot

506
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 8: of the same things you need around Luca, And the

507
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 8: Lakers have.

508
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 9: Just whiffed on that.

509
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 8: It It feels to me like the Lakers have acted

510
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 8: as if they have been put out by the fact

511
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 8: that Lebron didn't deteriorate more quickly and more precipitously, like

512
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 8: that their whole.

513
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: Plan was well.

514
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 8: By twenty twenty three, Lebron will be sixteen points a

515
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 8: game like every other year, twenty guy.

516
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 9: And we can start.

517
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 8: But Lebron was sixth in MVP voting last year. And

518
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 8: this is the danger that I think the Lakers have run.

519
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 8: I think it is very if they do not get Yannis,

520
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 8: and there is no guarantee at all they will get Yannis.

521
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 8: I think there is a very good chance that five

522
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 8: years from now, if we say who was the best

523
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 8: teammate Luca ever had on the Lakers, the answer would

524
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 8: have been last year's Lebron James. And the second best

525
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 8: teammate might be this year's Austin Reeves and this year

526
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 8: and third best this year's Lebron James. So you are

527
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 8: not the fact that they traded for Luca, punted on

528
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 8: the last deadline, basically punted on this offseason, and are

529
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 8: now punted on this deadline. It forget Lebron. You are

530
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 8: giving up years of Luca's prime and your opportunity to contend.

531
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Speaker 8: It's incredibly risky. It's not the moves I would make.

532
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 8: But I have been highly critical of how Rob Belinka's

533
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 8: run the Lakers. I give him credit, he didn't hang

534
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 8: up on Nico Harrison, but aside from that I don't

535
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 8: think there have been a lot of great moves.

536
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 9: And this isn't about Lebron.

537
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 8: It is about the fact that Luca, who I believe

538
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 8: has the ability to be a multi time I'm League MVP,

539
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 8: might be at the peak of his powers.

540
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: I think you're like, ah, we're.

541
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 8: You know, we're probably a second round team this year,

542
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 8: and we're okay with that. You should never be okay

543
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 8: with that when you have a player as good as

544
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 8: Luca at the age Luca.

545
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 9: Is so yeah.

546
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Speaker 1: I was saying yesterday, I'm not actually pro tanking, but

547
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: when the NBA and Adam Silver create these aprons and

548
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: they literally limit with a hard cap other avenues to

549
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: go from unwatchable to good, I get Danny Ainge going

550
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: and the Spurs going, well, let's thank for a couple

551
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: of years and get players. By the way, if you

552
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: look at the Spurs, well, the tanking thing worked, and

553
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: the Pistons it worked. Okay, see didn't. But I'm looking

554
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: at the Jazz and my take is if the Jazz

555
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: get Peterson from Kansas, okay, watch out next year because

556
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: they have a lot of young talent, So you can

557
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: tell me tanking's awful. It's been around forever. There's more

558
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: of it now, But I think there's more of it

559
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: now that David Stern allowed you to rebuild your team

560
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: multiple ways. You could be transact, you could get a KD,

561
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: you could trade for Shaq.

562
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Now it's like tank and all.

563
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: These jams are like, well, how do we go from

564
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: the Wizards and the Jazz three years ago to this

565
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: a top team? So what how do you solve tanking?

566
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: If it's so bad, I don't think it's bad for

567
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: San Antonio, the Pistons, or the Jazz.

568
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 8: Well, so here's the thing. I do think it's bad

569
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 8: for the Jazz. Thus far, it's been bad for the Jazz.

570
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: We'll see.

571
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Speaker 8: The Pistons got to the other side. San Antonio had

572
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 8: unbelievable lottery luck, and good for them. They're a well

573
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 8: run organization. If someone's gonna get lucky, I'm glad it's

574
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 8: an organization that has history of trying and doing things

575
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 8: the right way. I don't blame individual teams for doing

576
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 8: what is logically coherent to the path. Yes, I blame

577
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 8: the league massively for allowing these incentives to exist. It

578
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 8: is an untenable model that everyone says when Giannis doesn't

579
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 8: get traded. Oh okay, the smart thing for Milwaukee is

580
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 8: to not play gi.

581
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 9: Honis the rest of the year.

582
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 8: It is an untenable model for the Hawks to trade

583
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 8: for Trey Young and Anthony Davis and all of us assume,

584
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 8: but they're not gonna play this year because they don't

585
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 8: want to win games this year. I am fine with

586
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 8: teams making roster decisions in the offseason or at the

587
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 8: deadline that say we are looking forward to years down

588
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 8: the road, we are going to trade away older or

589
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 8: better players for draft picks. That's fine. What I am

590
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 8: not fine with is teams actively once you have the

591
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 8: roster that you have not trying to win games, or

592
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 8: teams sitting healthy guys. That is flatly bad for business.

593
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 8: And so there are I think Adam Silver needs a

594
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 8: bit of a harsher hand and threatened teams like sueing

595
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 8: David take it.

596
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Up, David Starn got on the phone and threaten people

597
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: GMS everybody except on.

598
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 8: And so that thing that Utah did before the All

599
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 8: Star break. We're in back to back games for the

600
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 8: fourth quarter of games sat their best players. I would

601
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 8: be totally fine with Adam Silver calling up the Jazz

602
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 8: after the first time they did that, and say, I'm

603
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 8: letting you know right now, if you do that or

604
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 8: something that reminds me of that again, your pick is thirtieth.

605
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 8: Next year you're out of the lottery, You're picking thirtieth.

606
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 8: Fight me in NBA arbitration, But I am going to

607
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 8: make that ruling. I would be fine with Adam Silver

608
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 8: making it very clear if you are doing things that

609
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 8: are against the competitive integrity of the sport, the penalty

610
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 8: will be Joe Smith level harsh to get people to.

611
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 9: Stop doing it.

612
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 8: I'd also be okay with them saying here's how it's

613
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 8: going to be.

614
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Speaker 9: The ten teams.

615
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 8: That are not play in or playoffs, the bottom ten

616
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 8: teams in the league, they all have a ten the

617
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 8: same lottery odds, and if a team we see a

618
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 8: team tanking out of the play in to get one

619
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 8: of those, you're picking thirtieth.

620
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: And because right now the.

622
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 8: Incentives are so misaligned that there is not the it

623
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 8: is the smart thing to do for individual teams, and

624
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 8: it is the worst thing to do for the overall

625
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 8: health of the league or respect to your customer. You

626
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 8: can't have those things be contradictory like that.

627
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: I always think too that a league is going to

628
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: tweak itself when really smart people are struggling. Pat Riley

629
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: now can't figure out how to make the heat good

630
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: and the Warriors can't figure out how to make it work.

631
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: We know that pat Riley and Steve Kerr, Mickey Harrison

632
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: the Owner, and Joe Lake, those are really well run organizations.

633
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Miami and Golden State have become irrelevant. That tells me, Okay,

634
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: this is too hard. It's getting too hard for the

635
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: smart people. I mean, if you literally went to the

636
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: NFL in mcveigh's like I can't win anymore, You've probably

637
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: made it too much of a defensive league. There's things

638
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: getting in the way of smart people. So now we

639
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: move into the Warriors, and my take is, never fall

640
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: in love with your stars. Fallen like they've tried to

641
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: make everybody fit Curry the kaminga thing's a disaster.

642
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: There's no way out. I get it again.

643
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: They're in the y honest, take a gigantic swain, give

644
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: up all your draft capital. Do you blame the Warriors

645
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: on falling in love with Korea? Would you have moved

646
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: off him years ago?

647
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: What do you know?

648
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 8: I would have gone the opposite. I blame them maybe

649
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 8: for not loving Steph enough. I think what they've done

650
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 8: the last few years is basketball criminal. I think that

651
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 8: you have an obligation when you have one of let's

652
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 8: be you know, conservative, here fifteen greatest players in the

653
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 8: history of the sport, and he ain't fifteen.

654
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 9: He's higher than that.

655
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, still at or near the peak of his powers.

656
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 8: You have an obligation to only care about his timeline.

657
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 8: This was my frustration with Lebron at the end of

658
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 8: his time in Cleveland, when we knew it was ending,

659
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 8: but he was still by a large margin, the best

660
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 8: player in basketball.

661
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 9: In twenty eighteen, when.

662
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 8: They had to trade Kyrie, they could have done a

663
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 8: Kyrie Paul George trade, but the owner in Cleveland was like, no,

664
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 8: we need a draft pick for the post Lebron era,

665
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 8: and the post Lebron era was five years of nothing,

666
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 8: and that draft pick was Colin Sexton. The Warriors two

667
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 8: timeline thing was a farce and they ended up kind

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 8: of stealing a championship in twenty twenty two, despite the

669
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 8: fact that Wiseman Moody Kaminga contributed very little, and that

670
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 8: papered over the fact that they got were very fortunate.

671
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 9: That post KD. They had the year where Steph broke his.

672
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 8: Hand, and they were awful, and they had made some

673
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 8: shrewd moves that they then could have restocked their team

674
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 8: with guys ready to win now.

675
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 9: But they I thought that they had a.

676
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 8: Little light years ahead arrogance, thinking we're gonna be great

677
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 8: with Steph and then when he retires, we're gonna be

678
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 8: man John Wiseman and Jonathan Kaminga. We're never gonna be

679
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 8: Stephan Clay right, And you were dopes for you had

680
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 8: you have one of the greatest players ever and one

681
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 8: of the greatest wingmen ever.

682
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 9: And they didn't go all in on that era. And

683
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 9: now they.

684
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 8: Are stuck in the middle where they they traded Kaminga

685
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 8: at as you know, low as possible value. Jimmy got hurt.

686
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 8: And now Steph who is who is the greatest old

687
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 8: small player ever? He's already the greatest small player ever.

688
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 8: But we've never seen a small guy age like this

689
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 8: stock being close but not as good as Steph. He's

690
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 8: just twisting in the wind for the final years of

691
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 8: his excellence.

692
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 9: And that's a shame.

693
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: One NFL question I wouldn't I think been there, done

694
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: that on uh, Tyreek Hill. I think Kansas City's got

695
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: to get their O line and run game right. I'd

696
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: actually trade picks if I could get love from Notre Dame,

697
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: get the running game solved. I think your O line,

698
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Simmons will be fine at left tackle. I don't think

699
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: you need to go back Tyreek Hill. There's off field stuff.

700
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: He's kind of distracted. And the truth is now the

701
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: way the defenses and the shells are defensively in the NFL,

702
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: people aren't giving up the Tyreek Hill touchdowns like they

703
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: used to. Sure, but you're a Chiefs fan, You've got

704
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: a sense of it. You is there part of you

705
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: that thinks, man, he could be what worthy? Isn't volume

706
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: and over the top?

707
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 8: I don't know, so I listen. I said on TV

708
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 8: two years ago that I thought Tyreek Hill would be

709
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 8: a Chief in twenty twenty six. I said on TV

710
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 8: at the beginning of this football season that I thought

711
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 8: Tyreek Kill would be a Chief next year. The combination

712
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 8: of what is a growing volume of really let's call

713
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 8: them ugly allegations to be kind, off the field. What

714
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 8: is not allegations just on the record, awful teammate stuff

715
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 8: with the way it ended the last year in Miami

716
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 8: and him going from being in love with to a

717
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 8: big public you know, critic of Toua. Even if that's fair,

718
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 8: it's not good from your highest paid player and your

719
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 8: best player on your team and just on the field,

720
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 8: real concern of a guy whose entire skill set was

721
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 8: based around he was the single best athlete in the world,

722
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 8: arguably for a period of time, certainly in the NFL,

723
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 8: coming off a catastrophic knee injury. All of those things

724
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 8: make it from if he signed with the Chiefs for

725
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 8: five million bucks, Okay, see if fine, but that it

726
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 8: is not a priority. It should not be something you

727
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 8: base your offseason round. If he wants to take a

728
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 8: massive discount to try to.

729
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 9: Prove to people he can still do it.

730
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 8: And you know, if the off field stuff, you know,

731
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 8: does not keep him out of football and does not continue,

732
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 8: then I suppose.

733
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 9: But I also I'm an adult and I.

734
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 8: Understand it's professional football and you're not gonna have a

735
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 8: team full of Walter Payton Man of the Year winners. However,

736
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 8: yeah that right now, the guys on the Chiefs my team,

737
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 8: they don't have a lot of guys who have off

738
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 8: the field concerns, but the guys they do are clustered

739
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 8: in that wide receiver room. And then you bring Tyreek

740
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 8: in as well. That would be concerning, to say the least.

741
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 9: And so.

742
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: It is.

743
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 8: I thought it was a fade accompany a couple of

744
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 8: years ago. He'll finish his career in Kansas City. Now

745
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 8: it seems like they could have him for you know,

746
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 8: pretty cheap, so maybe he will, but it is not

747
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 8: a priority the way I would have thought it was

748
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 8: a couple of years ago.

749
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: So I want to circle back to something of the

750
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Lakers because this is and I think we both like

751
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: doing this. Is that I said four years ago when

752
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: the world fell in love with Luca, and I did

753
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: two in the first two to three years. I said,

754
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: he's really become a much better version of Carmelo. He's

755
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: not in great shape, doesn't want to really defend. And

756
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: most of the guys that win rings d Wade, Lebron

757
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Kobe Duncan shack at least four prime years. They defend.

758
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: They send the message that we're going to play both ends. Wemby,

759
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: by the way, we're going to play both ends. Steph

760
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Curry's limited, but they surrounded him with people that could.

761
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I've said this on Luca. Two things can be true.

762
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: He's an all time great offensive talent. He's twenty seven

763
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: in a week. Carmelo Anthony's last all NBA year was

764
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: twenty eight. We know this to be true. Athletes age differently.

765
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Brady obsessed, Lebron obsessed, age beautifully. Guys that you know,

766
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: do what I want in the offseason, may have some

767
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: smokes and a couple of Belgian beers. My take on

768
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: Luca is, and I want to throw this out there,

769
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: is you're going to look up in two years messing

770
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: around with Lebron's retirement tour and Luca's gonna be twenty nine,

771
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: and Nick, it's gonna feel like those last that last

772
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: great year with Carmelo. You're like, he's aged really quick.

773
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not in love with Luca as much

774
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: as everybody else is.

775
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 8: So I would use a different comp And this guy

776
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 8: also has not won. But it's reason for more optimism

777
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 8: because Luca does not remind me of Carmelo. He reminds

778
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 8: me of James Harden, except Luca is an all time

779
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 8: playoff riser, while Harden was an all time playoff faller, stylistically,

780
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 8: ball dominant, shot selection, all of that. Being a great

781
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 8: passer in grade scorer is similar to Harden. May you know,

782
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 8: off season work habits maybe similar to Harden. You know,

783
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 8: body fat percentage maybe similar to Harden.

784
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 9: But James Harden, despite all.

785
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 8: Of that, his he he was, and he has played

786
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 8: a very long time still at a very high level

787
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 8: in the regular season. He obviously is, you know, a

788
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 8: different type of all time guy. When it comes to

789
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 8: legendary athlete who are just every single year a shell

790
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 8: of themselves in the postseason.

791
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 9: That is not who Luca has been.

792
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 8: Luca has been was I think is the second all

793
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 8: time in NBA history and playoff points per game.

794
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 9: He has I think the.

795
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 8: Fourteenth most forty point games in playoff history. Already, He's

796
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 8: been a great playoff performer. Now you need to surround

797
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 8: him with the right people. You need to understand he

798
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 8: is not the easiest guy to build around.

799
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 9: But the MAVs figured it out. The MAVs, they.

800
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 8: Went to a conference finals, they had a down year,

801
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 8: they were in the NBA Finals ahead of schedule with Luca.

802
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 9: So I disagree with you on that I don't. I

803
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 9: think he is.

804
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 8: Carmelo did one thing awesome, score the basketball. Luca is

805
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 8: one of the greatest creators of offense and an offense

806
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 8: unto himself, similar to Harden, but unlike Harden, he's a

807
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 8: great playoff player. So I think Luke will have a

808
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 8: longer prime than you think. But I also think that

809
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 8: it's he won't ever be better than he is right now.

810
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 8: He's not going to become a great defender. No, he's

811
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 8: not going where he's not going to improve.

812
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 9: I don't believe as a player.

813
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 8: I think he can maintain and you can build a contender.

814
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 9: Out of that if you know what you're doing good.

815
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Similarly, Harden all NBA stuff, seven awards, thirty and before

816
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: one since so Harden's actually aged very quickly. I think

817
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: that night life. I mean, I think Harden. You're right

818
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: Harden and Luca. Harden's a very good distributor, great vision.

819
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Luca similarly, So maybe it's a bad comp but I'll say,

820
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Carmelo age quickly. Luca no longer dunks. It's more cerebral

821
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: than athletic. Harden age very quickly. Like this this pro

822
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: So that's fair.

823
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 8: Like you you are it is we need to not

824
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 8: be tricked by Lebron's age trajectory or Brady. Lebron and

825
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 8: Brady are in separate categories entirely, and then like Drew Brees,

826
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 8: Steph Curry are in separate categories also, and then there's

827
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 8: everybody else, Like there is the once in a millennia

828
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 8: outlier of Brady and Lebron into their forties still being excellent.

829
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 8: Then there is the once in twenty five years outlier

830
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 8: of Breeze at age forty still being good, Steph at

831
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 8: thirty eight as a six to two guy, still being

832
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 8: really good. And then we get to, Okay, the modern

833
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 8: athlete instead of peaking at twenty seven, might be peaking

834
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 8: at thirty. But there's still a ticking clock on that.

835
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 8: So I agree with like, it is foolish to think, oh,

836
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 8: the Lakers have ten years to figure this out with Luca, No,

837
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 8: I think they. I think he will be an MVP

838
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 8: candidate for the next five years. But that means that

839
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 8: means you your window is right now. That means right now

840
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 8: you should be trying to win the championship. And what's

841
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 8: frustrating me at the Lakers is last year and this year.

842
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 8: It did not feel like they were trying to win

843
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 8: the championship. It was like, oh, will be good, and

844
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 8: then we'll see when we're and Giannis might not come,

845
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 8: and if Gianna doesn't come, they're like, we're gonna.

846
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 9: Have all this cap space.

847
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 8: In the modern NBA, cap space is not that valuable

848
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 8: because nobody comes a free agent.

849
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 9: Guys.

850
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 8: Guys instead of becoming free agents, they ask for contract extensions,

851
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 8: then demand a trade. They don't let the contract expire.

852
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 9: So I don't know what the plan is.

853
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 8: I hope your Dodgers guys can get the Lakers on

854
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 8: the right track, but I am not optimistic under the

855
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 8: current regime.

856
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Nick right, First things first in LA this week, just

857
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: hanging out. Good see anybody, great to see you, all right? Yeah,

858
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: the UH, I would say Luca is going to be

859
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: elite for about three more years. I think, you know,

860
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: twenty eight, because he's almost twenty. It was he twenty

861
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: seven here real quick, twenty seven this year, next year,

862
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: following year, and then go look at James Harden. Carmelo

863
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: twenty eight went down. That was his last great year,

864
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Harden thirty. Not the same player. I think

865
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: Luca is gonna be the same thing. Everybody talking all

866
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: Lucas in great shape. He was coming into the season.

867
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Speaker 1: Look at him now, he looks heavier. The data tells

868
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Speaker 1: you he's still a very slow defender. Like this is

869
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Speaker 1: what he is. I'm not anti anything. I'm just telling

870
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Speaker 1: you what the data tells you. Like NFL wide receiver,

871
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, it all changes. It's called biology

872
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: in Chicago, it's third.

873
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874
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,480
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875
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,839
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876
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,719
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Speaker 5: So last night, Cave cunning him goes off forty two

878
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Speaker 5: points at the Garden.

879
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 6: Unbelievable performance.

880
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 5: And it actually came on the heels of him giving

881
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Speaker 5: an interview to GQ magazine and he said, I to

882
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 5: be on the Olympic team coming up. I think it's

883
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 5: a lot that he's going to be on it, right,

884
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 5: And then he said to the interviewer, Cave Cunningham, mild Mannard,

885
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 5: quiet guy, I think.

886
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Speaker 6: I'm the best American player, full stop. Okay.

887
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 5: So Cave goes off last night at the Garden and

888
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 5: his coach JB. Bickerstaff had this to say, listen closely.

889
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Speaker 10: I mean, he's a superstar and there's no doubt about it.

890
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 10: You know, It's hard for me to think of five

891
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 10: guys in this league that do more on both ends,

892
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 10: that does more on both ends, and he does. He

893
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 10: never says no, he never complains, you know, and he

894
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 10: goes out and gets the job done. And it's impacted winning.

895
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Speaker 10: And I think that's what superstars do, right. Superstars aren't

896
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 10: hollow numbers. Superstars are people that impact winning at a

897
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 10: level that he has, Like he just does the right

898
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 10: thing by his teammates over and over again to help

899
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Speaker 10: them excel and succeed. Also, and you know, so if

900
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 10: you've got a superstar player with talent, superstar character, you

901
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 10: know what I mean, Like, he's the guy that goes

902
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 10: down in the Hall of Fame.

903
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 5: Someday Hall of Fame. Can the guy win a playoff series?

904
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Speaker 2: First?

905
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Speaker 6: Sorry, JB. I had to do that.

906
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Speaker 5: And now when you hear my list here the guy

907
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Speaker 5: at the top of them as well. We'll get there

908
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: in a second. So we batted this around a good

909
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 5: twenty minute debate discussion. If you had the top ten

910
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: Americans in the NBA that you would build around. Like

911
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 5: four years ago, this would have been Ja Morant Zion

912
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: one two, right. They ain't even on the list, even

913
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Speaker 5: close to it. So here's my list ten to one

914
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 5: Americans in the NBA to build around. Jason Tatum did

915
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 5: not make it. Tyrese Haliburton did not make it. They're

916
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Speaker 5: currently hurt and not playing. They would have definitely made it.

917
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Speaker 2: Let's start with number ten.

918
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Speaker 5: Number ten, Tyrese Maxey, the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

919
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 6: Incredible guard.

920
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 5: Fifth in the league in scoring what off steel he

921
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 5: was in the draft, twenty nine points per game.

922
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Speaker 6: Obviously an All Star.

923
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Speaker 5: He's the new guy you built around in Philly and

924
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 5: beat at his run.

925
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Speaker 6: It's now Tyrese Maxey's show.

926
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Speaker 2: Number nine. D book Devin.

927
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Speaker 5: Booker nearly won a title with the Sons, had that

928
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: tough loss to the Bucks. Booker twenty nine years old.

929
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Speaker 5: He leads a team in scoring and assists. He's the

930
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Speaker 5: only All Star on his team, and the Sons are

931
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Speaker 5: actually good. I ahead a schedule, Matt Ishmia. I know

932
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 5: you care deeply about the media. I hope you're watching.

933
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Speaker 5: Devin Booker ninth on my list. Number eight had to

934
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Speaker 5: go Jalen Brunson. When I started this list, he was

935
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Speaker 5: like in the four range. Had to get bumped down.

936
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Speaker 5: I love Lisa Brunson. Eleventh in the league in scoring.

937
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 5: He's an All NBA player in the last two years.

938
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 5: Most clutch player in the league last year, literally won

939
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 5: the award, Folks.

940
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Speaker 6: I wanted to make him higher, but I just won't

941
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Speaker 6: see the rest of the list.

942
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Speaker 5: But again, build around I think you could build around

943
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 5: Brunson for sure, because you know what he can do.

944
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 5: He just needs the ball in his hands a lot.

945
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Speaker 5: So I've got him at eight. Number seven Donovan Mitchell

946
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 5: maybe the most underrated American player in the league right now, folks.

947
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 5: He was first team All NBA last year. He's a bucket.

948
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 5: I mean, he was so good in Utah ahead of schedule.

949
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 5: Now he's in Cleveland and they're really freaking good. They

950
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 5: got James Harden. I would keep an eye on this team.

951
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 5: I would not be shocked if they were in the finals.

952
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 5: Donovan Mitchell great ambassador for the league, just a good

953
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Speaker 5: all overall human being.

954
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Speaker 6: I love him. I have him seventh.

955
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Speaker 5: Number six Jalen Brown, Boston Celtics forward. Now it's interesting

956
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 5: because for the longest time.

957
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Speaker 6: I've had Tatum ahead of him. So this year Brown

958
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 6: has been exceptional.

959
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 5: Now we know he's the Finals MVP, of course, but

960
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: we're talking about a guy who took over a Celtics

961
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 5: team a lot of people thought was maybe playing material

962
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Speaker 5: without Tatum, and they end up dumping I think all three.

963
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Speaker 6: Of their centers to get out of cap Hell.

964
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Speaker 5: All Jalen Brown done has been incredible. Fourth in the

965
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Speaker 5: league in scoring. He's averaging twenty nine, seven and five,

966
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Speaker 5: shooting forty eight percent from the field.

967
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Speaker 6: Folks, He's like a sleeper MVP.

968
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Speaker 5: Candidate if SGA can't get healthy. Number five Caid Cunningham

969
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 5: twenty four years old. Boy, he is taking the league

970
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 5: by storm. I said on my podcast this week at

971
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 5: plus fourteen hundred to win the MVP, I don't hate

972
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Speaker 5: that bet again. SGA and Yokich may miss games. Kid

973
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 5: is playing exceptional. The team is number one seed in

974
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 5: the East, best record in the league. I mean, he's

975
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Speaker 5: averaging twenty six and ten and six Pistons have the

976
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Speaker 5: best record in the league.

977
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Speaker 6: He's exceptional. You build around him.

978
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Speaker 5: Number four, you're gonna hate me, guys, Kawhi Leonard. This

979
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 5: is probably recency bias because he is playing out of

980
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 5: his mind right now.

981
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Speaker 6: He is thirty four.

982
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Speaker 5: But as Rachel alluded to earlier, not many people want

983
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Speaker 5: to do the Raptors thing where we're gonna rent you.

984
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Speaker 6: If I'm building around for one.

985
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Speaker 5: Year, I'm taking a roll of the dice with Kawhi Leonard.

986
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Speaker 5: He's that good this season twenty eight six and four

987
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 5: sevent team, seven times All Defensive Team selection, plays at

988
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Speaker 5: both ends. He's he's just playing unbelievable basketball right now.

989
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 5: He is thirty four, and I know the injury history.

990
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: Number three Steph Curry, Yes, I know.

991
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 6: How is he not one? How is he on the list.

992
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 5: We're gonna get the full gambit. He is thirty seven,

993
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 5: but I know they stink this year. Are you looking

994
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 5: at his numbers? He's tenth in the league in scoring.

995
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 5: He's missed a bunch against He leads the NBA in

996
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 5: three he's made, leads the NBA in forty five plus

997
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 5: point games, leaves the NBA and free throw percentage. Steph

998
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 5: Curry is still like God Gawd. You can build around

999
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: him for a year or two. Number two Anthony Edwards.

1000
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 5: It's tough for me to put him ahead of Curry

1001
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 5: on any list, but the guy is freaking incredible, unbelievable

1002
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 5: to watch. I personally think he needs to clean up

1003
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 5: some of his interviews. Way too many curse words, dude.

1004
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 5: The young kids are watching. But he's a scoring machine,

1005
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 5: plays at both ends. He's going to be a tough

1006
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 5: out in the playoffs. Back to back Conference finals appearances

1007
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 5: for and number one Hooper Flag hasn't won a playoff series.

1008
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 5: I'm aware of that he's nineteen years old, but I

1009
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 5: am able to build at least twelve years around. This

1010
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 5: guy plays hard at both ends, already a plus defender

1011
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 5: folks offensively. The things he's doing at nineteen put him

1012
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 5: in the discussion with Lebron for the greatest teenager at

1013
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 5: NBA history. He has been everything we expected and more.

1014
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 5: I think take the over on one and a half

1015
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 5: MVPs for his career. I know that we're going to

1016
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 5: hear a lot of grief on this youngest player to

1017
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: score forty or more points game.

1018
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 6: He's done that twice.