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Speaker 2: very good, all right, So I'm assuming if you're here

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Speaker 2: let us begin. UFC two fifty eight took place, of course,

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Speaker 2: at the UFC Apex facility in Las Vegas, Nevada. Your

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Speaker 2: main event, kamar Usbin fought Gilbert Burns for the UFC

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Speaker 2: welterweight title. Kamar Uspin wins via third round TKO at

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Speaker 2: thirty four seconds in fact into the third I have

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Speaker 2: his data as well from fight Metric up here. I

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Speaker 2: will look at that in just a sexually aperuse it

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Speaker 2: a little bit earlier, but we'll go over that in

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Speaker 2: just a second.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the big picture stuff man?

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Speaker 2: First of all, incredible moment, I should say for Kamar,

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Speaker 2: let me pull up this stat if we can.

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Speaker 1: Where is it? Where is it? Okay?

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Speaker 2: I saw what's his face? Have it it was? I

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Speaker 2: will pull it up. It was Mike Bond. But really,

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Speaker 2: you know with this moment, this is a rarefied air

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Speaker 2: that Kamar Usman has put himself into. He has fighters

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Speaker 2: with the most consecutive UFC victories. He has thirteen now,

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Speaker 2: which is the most ever in the UFC walterweight division.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're coming up on I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 2: Saint Pierre territory, but we're If you look at the

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Speaker 2: history of the walterweight division, in fact, I tweeted this earlier,

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Speaker 2: they tend to keep their titles longer there. They don't

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Speaker 2: play as much hot potato as some other divisions. In fact,

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Speaker 2: if you look at successful defenses per undisputed championship, welterweight

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Speaker 2: has more than literally every other single division except flyweight.

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Speaker 2: But flyweight of course, had Demetrius Johnson. As you know,

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Speaker 2: not they're only champion, but one of us, one of

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Speaker 2: two or something with him and Figaredo or so Huda

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Speaker 2: would be three. And so he had that long streak.

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Speaker 2: That's going to fudge the math a little bit, but

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Speaker 2: of mature divisions, you know it's about three. They tend

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Speaker 2: part of the reign of Kumaru Usman. You're talking about

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Speaker 2: one of the great walterweights now in the narrowed pack,

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Speaker 2: about who has done a lot as a champion. So

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Speaker 2: you're talking about militanty. If you want to include some

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Speaker 2: of the older parts of that division, you're certainly talking

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Speaker 1: He is simply part of.

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Speaker 2: That, and for a lot of good reasons. First thing

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Speaker 2: absolutely putting it on him first. Part of what makes

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Speaker 2: Kamara Usman has pointed out they don't really make mistakes,

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Speaker 2: not exactly like kamar who made the World's Biggest mistake,

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Speaker 2: but he did get caught with some of the big shots,

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Speaker 1: But it's the ability to work.

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Speaker 2: Through those moments, take your time to bleed the clock,

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Speaker 2: switch things up pretty quickly. You know, for example, when

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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, I don't know how he was

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Speaker 2: walking after that fight. You remember, he'd just began to

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Speaker 2: boxing range. And when he did that, the fight just turned.

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Speaker 2: So he took a beating early and then just found

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Speaker 2: that grit, that initial grit that Kamar Usman had, and

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Speaker 2: the composure the bearing through a very difficult series of moments,

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Speaker 2: being hurt multiple times, especially in the opening frame, probably

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Speaker 2: win it pretty convincingly. And then to go out there

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Speaker 2: that's a champion, folks. That's what champions do. They usually

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Speaker 2: where they make any reregious mistake, which is.

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Speaker 1: Even rare, but you know, they fight.

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Speaker 2: If you're a champion, you're usually gonna be fighting only

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Speaker 2: after that point. Man's that's really special stuff. That's really

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Speaker 2: special stuff. And if you look at Colby Covington, he

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Speaker 2: outstruck another wrestler. If you look at Jorge Maswittol, you know,

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Speaker 2: not the best fight, but certainly neutralizing of a guy

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Speaker 2: with record amounts of I think he was He's the

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Speaker 2: to score one hundred significant strikes and ten takedowns, which

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Speaker 1: I mean, just absurd levels of offense.

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Speaker 2: You know, the reality about Camaro is he gets labeled

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Speaker 2: you know, that's not altogether an unfair assessment of him.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know, this is predominantly what he has

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Speaker 2: especially you've seen it through his championship tenure. There are

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Speaker 2: Joge mast All fight but two camps in with Trevor Whitman.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the fight itself. How was he

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Speaker 2: able to do it? As we mentioned, you know, You

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Speaker 2: can praise the early bearing that he showed under intense

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Speaker 2: the way he was tactically able to turn it around

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Speaker 2: a little bit is one, he was able to catch

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Speaker 2: some of the kicks of Gilbert Burns. Two he was

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Speaker 2: a chance to break it down and look at more

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Speaker 2: He would switch, switch stands and then jab with this one.

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Speaker 2: And I think partly, big, big, part of the reason

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Speaker 2: And he's got power. Obviously, you can tell. It's impressive, man,

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Speaker 1: And you know, he had.

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Speaker 2: This real polished, beautiful technique. It's not like Camaro has

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Speaker 2: bad technique. Certainly that would not be the case at all.

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't show at least in some of those situations.

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Speaker 2: That's really like dynamic, cleaned up, super polished level of technique.

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Speaker 2: It's very good, but it doesn't have the same you know,

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Speaker 2: insanely effective to be that powerful in the way that

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Speaker 2: he is. And the timing was good. Do you notice

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Speaker 2: on that last one that knocked him down he will

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Speaker 2: in just catching him at an angle? I think he

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Speaker 2: but he split his timing too.

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Speaker 1: You know. That was the other part about it. It's

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Speaker 1: like do that. Those are the things when you can.

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Speaker 2: Be like, how do you know one guy is really good? Well,

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Speaker 2: way that kamor Usman has and okay, you can you

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Speaker 2: can just sort of say you know nothing about fighting.

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Speaker 2: But the other part of it is if you're able

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Speaker 2: to switch stance and then even out of your normal stance,

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Speaker 2: you can still split a guy's timing with your jab, Dude,

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Speaker 2: that's very hard to do.

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Speaker 1: That's very hard.

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Speaker 2: Those are high level skills that only really advanced fighters

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Speaker 2: You know you could hear Kumaru's voice too. He was

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Speaker 2: where everyone else is. Which isn't to say it's wrong

432
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: to do those other things. There's probably a good reason

433
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: to it. But if you can take advantage of where

434
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: people aren't investing as much knowledge and attention in time

435
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 2: and you can use that to strong effect, dude, you're

436
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 2: going to have a pretty significant advantage. And you're you

437
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: usually see that he didn't even need that here a

438
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit of wrestling in the

439
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 2: open space.

440
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: I was.

441
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: I was surprised by the way that Burns was able

442
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: to back up up as early as he did. I thought,

443
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, two ways you see Gilbert Burns losing if

444
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: he's physically pressed against the fence or he's constantly backing up,

445
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: back up a little bit. But if you're constantly backing up,

446
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 2: that would be a problem. And at first Duo, that

447
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 2: was not what was happening at all. But even then,

448
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: man could Maru didn't have to really use the fence

449
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: this fight to get what he wanted. That is sort

450
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: of scary. It's like he's got an open space game

451
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: and he's got a whole different game along the fence line.

452
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: He's got a little bit of an ability to blend

453
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 2: the two. I think it's fair to say, but you

454
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: can't really argue that the fence played a dramatic role

455
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: here in how Kumara was able to win, And that's

456
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: really not true for the vast majority of his other fights.

457
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: So even at was he thirty three? When was he born? Yeah,

458
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: about thirty three or so. Even with that, even with that,

459
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: he is, you know, still learning interesting here. His strikes

460
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: landed permitted four point five, which is high strikes him

461
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: swore up two point two three nearly half takedown defence

462
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: one striking accuracy fifty three, which is about right, take

463
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: down accuracy forty seven percent, it's about right take down

464
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: average per fifteen minutes three point thirty eight. He didn't

465
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: even attempt one, or did he He didn't get any certainly, no,

466
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: didn't even attempt to take down here. Wild man, that's

467
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: a guy who is good for nearly four takedowns every

468
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, and in eleven he didn't even attempt a

469
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: single one, and he's still won via stoppage. She that's

470
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: a good fighter. That's a very good fighter.

471
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, man, That dude

472
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: can fight.

473
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: That is a talent. Jesus Christ. All right, we'll come

474
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: back to that here a little bit. That's wild. Alright,

475
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: let's see what else we got here. Your co main event,

476
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: Alexa Grasso defeating Macy Barber twenty nine to twenty eight

477
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: across the board, which I thought was the correct scorecard.

478
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one, that one. I thought that, uh,

479
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: I thought that Macy barbera had a winnable fight.

480
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: Here.

481
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: They were talking about the odds being interesting that there

482
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 2: was in Grassow's favor, but I didn't necessarily. First of all,

483
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,239
Speaker 2: the odds were not like tremendously in Grassow's favor there.

484
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: She was a very moderate favorite. And you can understand why,

485
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: I mean it would to bet on Barber, I think,

486
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: especially given that she was an underdog. I thought that

487
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: might have been an interesting bet, you know, just just

488
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: in terms of odds, not up or down, who wins

489
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 2: or loses necessarily, Like, is it worth taking a risk

490
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: on someone who is an underdog.

491
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: Given what they were up against.

492
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: You know, you knew that Grasso was a couple of things,

493
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: a much more known commodity than Barber. Part of the

494
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 2: issue with Barber is we just didn't know as much

495
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: about her game as we should have. And then the

496
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: other part is Grassow's got a great jab in distance

497
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: command and has very good known takedown defense. Well you

498
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 2: saw all of that here, and then she added some

499
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: wrinkles that when there it did go to the ground.

500
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: She had significant transition abilities that included holding on to

501
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: submissions through different positions. You know, that's that's good stuff.

502
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: That's really really good stuff that she can do. That

503
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: The interesting part to me was here was Barber's basic

504
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: challenge that she was trying to solve for She was

505
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: trying to set up a different angle to find her

506
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: way into an entry, a different kind of set up

507
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: a different look, and she was really far apart. And

508
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: then when she would try to get closer and then

509
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: and then faint or create some kind of a reaction,

510
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: right to get Grassow thinking one thing and then you

511
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: do the other. That's what all high level fighters do.

512
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: For the most part, she was not convincing like you have.

513
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: Like fainting is a talent, right, it's a it's a

514
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: separate skill. People are not just equally good at fainting

515
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: just because you put the effort into it. And it

516
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: should be known some people are better at reading these

517
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: kinds of things than others. So it's a big dance

518
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: that's going on here. But whatever the case, she just

519
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: couldn't she couldn't navigate that position. She could not she

520
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: could not make sense of that really at all. She

521
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: would get close and do a little bit of the

522
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: of the movement, and you would watch Grasso just wait,

523
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait. I'm not waiting on any of this

524
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: other extraneous movement. I'm just gonna wait on what really

525
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: actually matters. Whether she was looking for her shoulder or

526
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: a foot or something, who knows. But and then she

527
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: was constantly just timing her. The only way that Barbara

528
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: was able to get around that, it turns out, was

529
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: like really just kind of playing hurry up, rush you offense,

530
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: where Grasso doesn't have time to make reads and doesn't

531
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: have time to the kind of thing that like Kumar,

532
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: it was almost putting burns through towards the end where

533
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: Grassow just has to react and when you saw that,

534
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: and also, like, you know, I think Macy is physically strong,

535
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: and she was able to do a lot of muscling

536
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: around in the clinch, you know, making a fight just

537
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: kind of like a you know, almost like a workout,

538
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: but like a really you know, brutal one where you're

539
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: constantly having to fight someone off of you and and

540
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: they're in your face and blah blah blah. That seems

541
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: to be like a very good like that seemed to

542
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: be like a potentially winning strategy for Barber, But the

543
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: problem is she didn't do it till like the last

544
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: half of the last round. At that point, Grasso had

545
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: already done all the great things we had seen from her.

546
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: She's too and zero now at flyweight certainly a much

547
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: better place for her than.

548
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: Than Straw.

549
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: And so Barbara just came up short. So it was

550
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: a decent and nice sprint at the end. Needed a

551
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: whole lot more of that, but it was interesting. It

552
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: was like you're too far away to land. Grasso knows it,

553
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: and by the time you get close and you're doing

554
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing to misdirect her.

555
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: It didn't misdirect her. She could read through it.

556
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: And so you were in a position where you might

557
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: be able to dive in and land a big shop,

558
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: but chances are they're gonna land one on you first,

559
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: or you're gonna get you know, you're gonna get pieced

560
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: up in the interim, and you're gonna have a hard

561
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: time and get increasingly nervous about you know, making that

562
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: distance closing. You know, there's risks playing a game where

563
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: you're constantly on top of them. You can get finished

564
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: because you're being overcommitted. Like look at what Edgar did.

565
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: He barely over committed, and someone like sand Haagen could

566
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: just jump through the air and catch him with an

567
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: up knee. You know, it's a little that's there's risks associated.

568
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: But you already lost two rounds. I mean that was

569
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: like the first thirty seconds with Edgar. This is you

570
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: just you've lost two rounds. You're probably gonna be losing

571
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: that third round maybe if you don't do something drastic.

572
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: And then trying to do that was I thought, you know,

573
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: better late than never, and probably should have been employ

574
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: employed a little bit earlier. By the way of getting

575
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: a note here from one of the gentlemen, gentlemen at

576
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: Fight Metric, who's telling me not to worry too much

577
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: about the ouspin's.

578
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Leg kick count.

579
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: Some of those are going to be lay kicks that

580
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: he scored when Burns was on his back, So it's

581
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: not exactly like, you know, targeting the dude in that

582
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: similar kind of a way. I'm looking at the numbers

583
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: here at Barber's in a tough spot man two in

584
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: a row here, and I was a hard bay the way.

585
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: You should also be noted that's a really hard fight

586
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: to come back to from a layoff. You know, they

587
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: didn't give her a tune up fight by any stretch

588
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: of the imagination, which you know, Okay, I get it.

589
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: UFC doesn't do.

590
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: It's hardly a new practice from them. But at the

591
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: same time, it's like Jesus, you know, this was not

592
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: an easy fight at all for her, given that kind

593
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: of a layoff and that significant an injury that required

594
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: that level of physical rehabilitation. So so that to keep

595
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: in mind there, all right, let's see someone else on

596
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: these results here and I'll come back. I don't have

597
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: a whole lot to say about it. Gaslam and Ian

598
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: Heinisch Gasoline wins unanimous decision thirty seven twenty eight. Heiness

599
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: showing some technical improvement. The real issue here was Gaslum

600
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: is the more is superior technically, Heinish much more of

601
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: a motor, and so can you employ that motor in

602
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: such a way to make up that difference that exists

603
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: in the technical gap and he was not, at least

604
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: not enough anyway. I thought he did show improvement and

605
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: Gaslum got back in the win column. Not the kind

606
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: of win if you're Gaslam that's going to tell the

607
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: world that you're ready for a you know, to be

608
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: considered a one of the very best in that division.

609
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: But an important win, tough fought and heart fought win,

610
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: and Heiness should improvement. But everyone kind of is what

611
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: we thought they were from before the fight. This didn't

612
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: really change a whole lot. Rickie Simone defeating Brian Kellerher

613
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: unanimous decision across the board. He's simply too much Kellerher

614
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: couldn't really fight off the takedown. He was constantly trying

615
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: to go for the guillotine. Didn't really work. And I

616
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: thought that on the feet against the fence or even

617
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: an open space, he was just a little too quick.

618
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: Julian Marquez defeating Maki Tolo. Nearly lost that one, and

619
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: find a way to come back and get it with

620
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: going from a gullotine then switching as he rolled through

621
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: to an anaconda, which is the technacal switch there when

622
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: they go belly down like that to the gatine alonger works.

623
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: You switched the grip and then go for the anaconda,

624
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: which is what he did and he got it. Julian

625
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: Marquez out for a long time. Another guy wasn't getting

626
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: much of a tune that fight, but find a way

627
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: to gut it out. He showed the exact same resiliency

628
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: when he fought Phil Hawes during Dana White's Tuesday Night

629
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 2: Contender series.

630
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: He was getting beat up.

631
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: Now, Phil Hawes is a very different fighter than Maki Potolo,

632
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: although in this fight much more wrestling from him.

633
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: But Hawes was all over the guy, and.

634
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: He just waited and waited, and eventually Hawes faded, and

635
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: then you saw Marquez do what he did. He's got

636
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: tenacity that that guy, and he doesn't fade easy. How

637
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: about on the prelim card, man Hudolfo Vieira getting subbed

638
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: I wrote this, man. I don't think people realize how

639
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: big a deal this is. There's been a couple of

640
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: times where guys who were, like, you know, good on

641
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: the ground submitted people who were much better than them.

642
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

643
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: The biggest one I can think of before this would

644
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: be when Mac Danzick submitted Mark Bocheck. Mark Bochuk at

645
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: the time one of the very best s grapplers out

646
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: of Canada, high level black belt with some high level

647
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: medals to his name, and he, you know, Mac Danzig,

648
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: I think it was a black belt in terms of

649
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: pure jiu jitsu, not in the same ballpark, but he

650
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: got pieced up on the feet and you know, Danzig

651
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: good enough to.

652
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: Take his back certainly, and I choked him out.

653
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: I remember saying that there's no way Mac Danzick can

654
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: sub Mark bochak okay, not with pure jiu jitsu for

655
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: pure jiu jitsu, but for mma. Yeah, actually he totally can.

656
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: So this one shouldn't surprise you. I mean another one.

657
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he submitted him, did he? But Alan

658
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Belcher sort of undoing all the leglock contempts who smelled

659
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: par Harras Paul Harris is another one. But this is

660
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: a big deal because if you look at other black

661
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: belt World Chip champions, and many of these guys don't

662
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: even have their and as good as they were in

663
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu, many of them don't have the resume Audolpho

664
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: does in jiu jitsu. But if you look at like

665
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Jacquara or Forbiscio ver Doom or Demian Maya or Hoddra Gracie, Right,

666
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: that's the kind of level we're talking about her multiple time,

667
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, in in and out of the GE World

668
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: champions at the black belt level, like the no bullshit kind, right,

669
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: So you want it in the GI, you want it

670
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: outside of the G and you probably did it multiple times.

671
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: None of those guys have ever been submitted in an

672
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: MMA fight, not one of them. To get a submission

673
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: like that, if you're Anthony Hernandez is.

674
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: A huge deal, huge deal. Those guys don't quit very easily.

675
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: You know.

676
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 2: He he was breathing hard after the first round, you know,

677
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: Dana Cormier Saint's about his muscles. I mean, I'm sure

678
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: that plays a role, you know, but like, wow, man,

679
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 2: that was I thought. And by the way Viera put

680
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: it on him earlier. Do the mixpense to.

681
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: You about mount.

682
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: If somebody has mount on you and both of your

683
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: arms are wrapped, so their arms are behind yours, right,

684
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: they're wrapping you up. Someone has mount and they've got

685
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: your arms wrapped and you can't move. I can't think

686
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: of anything more big, brother, other than the submission itself,

687
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: And of course there's a big gap between that. But

688
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: in pure jiu jitsu, I mean in general, like in

689
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: pure jiu jitsu terms, if someone mounts you and wraps

690
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: up both of your arms so that they're on the

691
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: opposite sides of your body, dude, there is a wide

692
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: disparity in skill, a wide disparity. You have passed their legs,

693
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: which is a line of defense for them, and a

694
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: big line of defense at that you got past both

695
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: of them. You now have a dominant hit position. Yours

696
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: are on top of theirs. In the case of Vieria,

697
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: I think he was even grape binding them. And then

698
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: on top of that, you have taken their other arms

699
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: and you have scooped them up and then controlled them

700
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: so that they're tightly in front of the other person. Dude,

701
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean wow, for him to go from that position

702
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: to ultimately same side. Pat Koran shamalat chamalaya style guillotine.

703
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: Is remarkable, is super super remarkable. That's a huge win

704
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: for Anthony Hernandez. Can't overstate that enough. It wasn't just

705
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: like he landed a lucky shot. It wasn't like, you know,

706
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: there was some kind of injury or that there was

707
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: a quick interference with the referee do this fight went

708
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: to another round, and in the first round, Vieira had

709
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: the most dominant of dominant positions basically that you can have.

710
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: You can make a case that maybe it's more dominant

711
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: if the person has chair sit behind you and rather

712
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: than their arms holding your arms, their body is behind

713
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: the back of one of your arms, so you can't

714
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: put it back to the mat, and then they'll control

715
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: that for the armbar, right, that's what they extend.

716
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: You can make a.

717
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: Case if they've chairs it up that high, then okay,

718
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: that is more dominant, but you're splitting hairs at that point.

719
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: That is a may He had.

720
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: Him dent to rights and somehow Anthony Hernandez fought out

721
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: of it, found a way to get on the good

722
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: side of things, gassed this guy and then gave him

723
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: a taste of his own medicine.

724
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Speaker 1: Wow, man, that is a huge huge wins.

725
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: World champion level black belts like this, they don't tap

726
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: very easily, and he got one pretty impressive blaha. Bahama

727
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: defeating Jego Lima. Poulionoviana defeating Malory Martin. She got an

728
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: arm bar. Chris gutierres up at one hundred and forty

729
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: pounds defeating Andre Yule, and then in the opener gave

730
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Speaker 2: green defeating Phil Rowe. If you got questions for me

731
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: at L. Thomas News, I will take them. Let me

732
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: see what we got here. Bump but a bump, bump,

733
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Speaker 2: bump bump.

734
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Speaker 1: Uh. Do you guys like that new camera? I didn't

735
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: mind it. I don't think it was eight k. It

736
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: was weird.

737
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: It was a little bit overexposed because you could tell,

738
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: like if their back was kind of sweaty, it would

739
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: wash out with the light, so the exposure was a

740
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: little weird.

741
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Speaker 1: I liked it because it gave you a depth of field.

742
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: You know.

743
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: The background was kind of blurry a little bit. The

744
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: problem was the lens. You could tell had a hard

745
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: time focusing. Whether it was manual, I think it was auto,

746
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: but the lens would be blurry for a while, and

747
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: then I would see, see I got the Sony though,

748
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: like the Sony is. Look how fast the auto focus

749
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: is boom and it keeps it right. I mean, that's

750
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: really that's super really good auto focus. They didn't have that,

751
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: are they whatever, Whatever they were using, it just doesn't

752
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: wasn't as responsive. So it's cool the way they used it.

753
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be some more ways to play

754
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: with that. But for the first time I thought it

755
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: was fun. Yeah, so it says. Can you discuss the

756
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: genius move of Oosman kicking Burns's legs for so long

757
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: so he could recover from the shot? Totally? Totally that

758
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: was brilliant man where he held onto the ankle and

759
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: then kicked underneath and dude, those kicks hurt. And not

760
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: just that he could come in spiral over the top, remember,

761
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: for a shot to the gut without committing himself me

762
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: to the ground. He could rainbow over the top, land

763
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: a hard body shot and be right back out again

764
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: by virtus of some of that control as well. That

765
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: was really nice work from Kamaru and kept herb Dean

766
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: at Bay. Burns was happy to welcome him down there,

767
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: but he couldn't really force him to go down there,

768
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: and Kamaro could land meaningful enough offense while biding his

769
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: time to you know, clear his head or whatever. Really

770
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: really smart, understanding the rules, understanding the moment, and understanding

771
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: what the component will or won't do based on a

772
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: series of circumstances. That was really, really good. Do you

773
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: feel as though Uspin is turning a corner with his

774
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: popularity amongst the MMA community. UFC is seeming to get

775
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: behind him more and more after fights like this in

776
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: cold fans can do so as well. Yeah, a little bit, right,

777
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean there nothing matters more than just winning. Amanda

778
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Nunez did not get really all that popular despite beating

779
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: Misha Tate, despite beating ron de Rousey.

780
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: You know you would. She didn't get the bump you

781
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: thought that she might get.

782
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: Like you see, Poorier for a week ort least or

783
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: even more, was everywhere after beating McGregor. Right, he was

784
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: on hot ones and blah blah blah. I did a

785
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: million interviews. There was some of that for Amanda Nunez,

786
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: but not as much as you might imagine. But just

787
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: the accumulation and you throw in Holly Holme and you

788
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: throw in de random me and you throw in Cyborg

789
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: and it just becomes the resume just becomes so overwhelming

790
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: that would grow your brand.

791
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

792
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, her fights are exciting too for

793
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: the most part, right, I mean not in totally, not

794
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: in totality, but what do you gonna say, Amanda Uns

795
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: is a boring fighter. She had some boring fights. But

796
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: you know, let he who was among those without sindcast

797
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: the first stone. So I think as long as he's

798
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: dominating and as long as he's out there, you know,

799
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: continuing to put forth impressive efforts and continuing to win.

800
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 2: Like this again, dude, Gilbert Burns was a real number

801
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 2: one contender, no bullshit about it. And if you look

802
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: at the rankings, let's pull them up here very close,

803
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: and we'll see Walter Waite where things stand.

804
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: This is before the.

805
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: Fight, so he's obviously have to be amended to some

806
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: degree after Kamara's. So your champ number one was Gilbert Burns,

807
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: Okay Kamar who stopped him, Number two Colby Coveton Kamar

808
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: who stopped him, Number three Leon Edwards Kamorrow beat him.

809
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 2: Number four Jaree Mazidol Camorrow beat him. You have wonder

810
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 2: Boy out there sitting at five, Kias is at six, Woodley,

811
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: who Kamorrow beat, is at seven, Debian Maya, who Kamorrow

812
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: beat is at eight, Magni and then and Luka is

813
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: sitting at nine and ten. So really the only guys

814
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: he hasn't beaten in the top ten are Luke and Magni,

815
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: who are pretty far away from total shot at this point,

816
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: and wonder Boy, who is close by virtue of default,

817
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: like Kamaro's beaten all those other guys, So he hasn't

818
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: beaten wonder Boy yet. That could be an interesting one,

819
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: although I suspect you'd find a way to get WonderBoy

820
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: down and then that would be it. But you know, well,

821
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: we'd have to see. But I mean, he has beaten

822
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: a lot of different kinds of fighters. Jorge Masvidal can

823
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: do it all, granted to a short notice, but he was

824
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: fairly limited against kamarw Leon Edwards sort of a half

825
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: positioned guy that's got new meta, wasn't able to do

826
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: much at the time anyway. Koby Covington, a wrestler, couldn't

827
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: get a takedown off on him. Gilbert Burns super well rounded,

828
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: brilliant jiu jitsu, Camaro stopped him inside of three. Yeah, man,

829
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: like you just keep doing this? What are they gonna say? Man,

830
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: you've you have wiped out the top four. Matter of

831
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: factly you have wiped out the top four. You have

832
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: to go to the fifth guy who is good and

833
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: may get a title shot sort of, But you have

834
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: to go that far to find somebody hasn't.

835
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: Even just wipe the floor with yet. Dude, that is crazy.

836
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: That is crazy if he wanted to, there's too many

837
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: fights because it's it's Thompson and Ks and Magni and Luka.

838
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: I would say in one year he could wipe out

839
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: the arrest of that division. He may not be able

840
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: to do that, but he can. With two more fights

841
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: this year, he could wipe out number five and number six,

842
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: leaving just the only people who hasn't fought in that

843
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: division nine and ten.

844
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know at that point, you have really

845
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: just done the most amazing work.

846
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: To me, it seems quite obvious that Kamaro could dominate

847
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: GSP even in his prime. AGSP is still going to

848
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: be viewed widely as the Walter Waight go to me,

849
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: this show just up quickly. Mmy is evolving off on

850
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: this and how competitive a fight.

851
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Do you think it would be between them?

852
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: We talk about prime GSP or something about I mean,

853
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: now I don't know, Yeah, I mean these debates are

854
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: hard to have because the record of achievement that George

855
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre has is extraordinary, And you have to understand

856
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: something about George. His skill set was very much ahead

857
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: of his time, So he was doing things at the time.

858
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: He was doing it in ways in the totality and

859
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: the depth of his skill that really nobody else was

860
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: certainly not in the way that he was. So there's

861
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: that that means. I still think at a bare minimum,

862
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: he'd be very competitive with Kumaru. He had dogged takedown ability,

863
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: he could chain wrestle, he had good cardio, He's naturally

864
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: strong as shit. He had an amazing jab as well.

865
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: He had fantastic footwork. I think that you know, if

866
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: he had Dasky. What's one really big difference between them.

867
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: The footwork of someone like George. He could go to

868
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: boxing footwork where he's cutting a lot of angles with

869
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: short movements. He could do the karate style a little bit.

870
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: Remember he was a I think it was Shota kan karate.

871
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: He's a black belt, so he could do he could

872
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: play some of those levels as well. But I also

873
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: feel like you're right, dude, Emma. I mean, why is

874
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: kamar and for the most part getting an edge on

875
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: his contemporaries people we're now competing today. I mentioned before,

876
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: it's this sort of system of fence wrestling that is underdeveloped.

877
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: From a technical exploration standpoint, he's explored it. He's just

878
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: ahead of the game. And then on the feet, he's

879
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: he's just a hard guy to deal with because he's

880
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 2: got a great command of range, he's heavy handed, he's

881
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: merciless as an incredible motor. I tell you what it

882
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: would be. You know, if Kamaru won, it would be

883
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: not the least bit surprising. If Kumaru finished him, it

884
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprising. But at the same time, you know,

885
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be altogether crazy to say Saint

886
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: Pierre could hold his own, especially prime Saint Pierre, like

887
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: the one who you know, the one who beat Fitch

888
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: or something even that wasn't necessarily prime Saint Pierre, but

889
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, something like that.

890
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: For sure.

891
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: Considering Usbin's performance tonight, how do you think a fight

892
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: between him and Habib would play out. Ask you this,

893
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: as it was a hot hypothetical fight in the past,

894
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: that habib striking improve as much as Usban's considering he

895
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: knocked down such a proficient striker as Connor. Certainly, I

896
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: think Habib would have a speed advantage, and as you

897
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: saw tonight, that's not nothing that gave Usbin some problems early.

898
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: But Dude, Usban is huge for that weight class. I

899
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: think he could match the intensity of Kobib, and I

900
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: think he could shut him down. To be quite honest

901
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: with you, I just feel like the size difference. I

902
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: think Abib would be quicker. I think he'd be a

903
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: better scrambler, and I think he'd be lighter on his feet.

904
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: But I just feel like it wouldn't be enough of

905
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: a difference to overcome all of the other advantages that

906
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: Kamaru has. Yeah, I do think Kamara would win. I

907
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: think we had to kind of give Kamaru that respect.

908
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: He's he's something.

909
00:45:53,400 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: Special out there, for sure. Someone says Burns' chin is

910
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: very suspect. He couldn't take the shots that all of

911
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: Usban's previous opposition could, aside from Kolby, but that was

912
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: five rounds or he's just gotten that much better under Trevor.

913
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he had a bad weight cut. It could

914
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: also be that, you know, I think we're underrating Kamora's

915
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: power a little bit. I think again, if it's if

916
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: it's splitting your timing, you don't even you're not even

917
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: embracing for it, and it just crashes into you. It

918
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: could be a lot of ways where it's not just

919
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: about Burns's chin being trash. That could help explain some

920
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: of the ways when she felt it. By the way,

921
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, he rocked Kamaru's shit too. Usbin striking has

922
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: grown quite a bit this person, right, so has his

923
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 2: confidence and therefore his natural power. Yeah, that's a good point.

924
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: The more comfortable he gets, the more knockouts will get.

925
00:46:53,600 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: He's long, rangy and powerful. Not to mention sniper accurate. Yeah,

926
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: all too true. Some funny tweets to state how unlikely

927
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: that finish was. What is the mainstream sports comparison to

928
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: seeing Vieira being submitted like that.

929
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: Man? That is mainstream sport.

930
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, something like, I mean, this is not fair,

931
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: but it's like LeVar Ball actually beating Michael.

932
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: Jordan's at one on one. I mean, it's not it's

933
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: not quite right.

934
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: Obviously, that's you know, that's that's not quite fair to

935
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: not fair at all to Anthony Hernandez. But I'm just

936
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 2: trying to like imagine somebody, I mean, levels between them

937
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: in that one sport is beyond description. And then you know,

938
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: the guy refuses to make it about being in that

939
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: sport and fights another way and then comes back and

940
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: I and then after being in a horrible bull position,

941
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: a really really big brother position, and still got it

942
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: done and still did the damn thing. Very very impressive,

943
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: very impressive. All right, let's see it was anything else

944
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: worth here? Answering put this up here, subscribe. That'd be

945
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: great if you did that. Thank you very much, Thank

946
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: you kindly. Who do you see Burns fight next? I

947
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe wonder Boy, Maybe they give wonder Boy

948
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: the title shot. I wonder what this might do to

949
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: the UFC's plan for Colby and Jorge. You know, do

950
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: they want to still make that fight considering usman might

951
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: need contenders or they just really want to build the

952
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: ultimate fighter around that, because then those guys have to fight.

953
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 2: But then you're eliminating a contender that that'll be that'll

954
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: be fun to see how they play that game.

955
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: That'll be interesting. I let's say that's a curious one.

956
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: Either he has to get a rematch from somebody he's

957
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: already wiped, or which includes Leon Edwards, which you could do,

958
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: but he hasn't fought in forever. You could do wonder

959
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: Boy if you're talking about Usbin, I understand here, but

960
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: the question was about Burns. But I'm just trying to think,

961
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: because Burns would be somewhere like a Burns Kissa. You know,

962
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: you could do that burn You could do Burns wonder

963
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: Boy or Burns Kissa, so that that's who's sitting at

964
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: five and six, is uh, WonderBoy then Kissa, So you

965
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: could do that. That would be a thing you could

966
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: try for and and then see how it goes from there.

967
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: But then again, if you go with the route of

968
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: wonder Boy, who the fuck is Usman gonna fight? You

969
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: know again, unless you just gave it to Leon. But

970
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: Leon hasn't fought in forever. So it's a real sort

971
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: of weird moment here where dude Usman just keeps beating

972
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, and there's not enough in rotation

973
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: working their way to the front of that division. That's

974
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: why I like what Michael Guess is doing is so important,

975
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: because here comes somebody like pushing through the division. They

976
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: need that, they need someone to give. They got to

977
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: feed this beast tomorrow and they got to see what's

978
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: gonna happen with him. So all these guys at the

979
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: top kind of haven't had enough rotation to create some

980
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: fresh contenders. That's wild man. Someone says about the fans

981
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: getting behind Usman. Definitely something to be said for fans

982
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: eventually having to accept Howard b grudgingly your skill set

983
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: if you just keep dominating the competition. It's the same

984
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: with Mighty Mouse. You know, for the longest time, does

985
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: he draw it, does he not draw?

986
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: Do people care?

987
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah, And then at some point, dude,

988
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: you're just starting to stack so many w's.

989
00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: You know, it.

990
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't change necessarily turning into the world's most popular figure overnight,

991
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: But they're just it has just this way of silently

992
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: kind of killing off a lot of the under toe

993
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: of questioning. It just kind of removes it. It just

994
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: goes away.

995
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily translate into like.

996
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: Adoration, and I think that's what Kamara's kind of lacking

997
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, is he's getting. He went from like

998
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: dislike to begrudging respect and then the next level, I

999
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: think is adoration. How you get to there, I don't know,

1000
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: But in terms of silencing doubters, you know, I'm not

1001
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: sure what more the guy could do to get people

1002
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: to get to understand how fucking good he is. He

1003
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: is a talent, a legitimate one.

1004
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here. M m mmm mmm mm hmmm.

1005
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: So its his Herbdian's bit slipping lately? Do look like

1006
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: he was fainting the stoppage. I didn't mind the stoppage

1007
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: in this one. He got closed and then pulled back,

1008
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: but not too invasively like he did previously. I don't

1009
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: see this one as I know what you mean. It

1010
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: wasn't as clean as it could have been. That's fine,

1011
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: that's true, But you know, we should really go after

1012
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: these referees when we have a really strong reason to

1013
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: do that. This to me would not be a strong reason.

1014
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: Is U's been the biggest welterweight in the division's history.

1015
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: He's been taller and more muscle bound than everyone.

1016
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: He's fought.

1017
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: He's up there with one of the bigger walterweights. I

1018
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: how big precisely? I don't know that there would have

1019
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: to be a measurement of how big they got by

1020
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: the time they're actually in the octagon, which we'd be

1021
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: able to review that. But certainly he's one of the

1022
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: bigger ones. I thought Dana said it's Kolby versus Leon

1023
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: two days ago. It's probably WonderBoy next for I mean,

1024
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: Dana says lots of things, y'all. You know, here's my

1025
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: advice to you on things Dana White says, wait for

1026
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: someone else to verify it. I'm not telling you what

1027
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: he says is wrong, but you're talking about a guy

1028
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: who I should say, I'm not telling you what he

1029
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: says is always wrong, but you're talking about a guy

1030
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 2: where fifty percent of it is just not accurate, and

1031
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: a guy who has formally lied on the record, and

1032
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: then when challenged about it, it was like, who cares, No

1033
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: big deal?

1034
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: So will they make kolbe Leanto? Maybe?

1035
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 2: Maybe, But they start to figure out what they're gonna

1036
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: do with the welterweight season they want, or maybe that's

1037
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: the one that they'll make, and then Jorge Maswitol will

1038
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: do what he needs to fight again too, So who's

1039
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: he gonna fight Nate Diaz?

1040
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1041
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how any of this is

1042
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: gonna work, but some of these slots have to get

1043
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: filled h and tomorrow. Even then, you could do kolbe

1044
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: leonto winner of that would get Kamora, and I guess

1045
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: he could wait for that.

1046
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: Maybe. Okay, I think that is enough.

1047
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: I said we were gonna go about thirty minutes to

1048
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: an hour round an hour or so, but there is

1049
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: plenty more to come your way. On my personal channel,

1050
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: I'll have a breakdown of some of the fights from

1051
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,600
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1052
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,040
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1053
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,640
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1054
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,040
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1055
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,759
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1056
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1057
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