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Speaker 1: hunting collective podcast about a Tiger King and Phil We

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Speaker 1: just went through essentially two hours of conversation about the

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Speaker 1: Netflix documentary called Tiger King and it I've had at

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Speaker 1: this moment three white claw Seltzer beverages and then a

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus pandemic. What do you think they're Philip. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it at the the end of the episode,

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Speaker 1: which people will hear coming up. But this, this documentary

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Speaker 1: episode number ten of the Quarantine Cast our review of

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Speaker 1: Tiger King. M Lay down there, lay him down, Hell

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Speaker 1: them not the danger. Ah. Oh, it's beautiful. Let him

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Speaker 1: run the jo oh let him Hey? Are you cool?

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Speaker 1: Cats and kittens. It's Carol Basking here from Big Cat Rescue.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hunting Collective. Hi, that was perfect, Phil,

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Speaker 1: Did you like that intro? It was the best one

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Speaker 1: about Carol baskin voice for the whole whole podcast. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome everyone to the first and probably not last Tiger

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Speaker 1: We're joined by the great and powerful Annie Racer. Hi, Annie, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Ben and everyone, and Philip the Engineer, Hello you finishing dinner?

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Speaker 1: You've all what you have in there? Bud? I got

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Speaker 1: what are you feeling right now? You're excited? Oh, I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Why are we so drawn to big cats? Phil? What

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Speaker 1: have anything to say about I don't know what to

425
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: say about that. He just becomes also a magician. Jock Ansel, Yeah,

426
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: it looks kind of like, uh like he at this time,

427
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: you got big mustache. Yeah, I can't even get let

428
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: him in until later on. But I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, anyway,

429
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: this he starts, this Zoos's gonna be a four hours absolutely, yeah,

430
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: you gotta edit all the every time. I can't help,

431
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: but curse. I'm sorry everyone, but I am just fired

432
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: up and it comes out of me. So you're gonna

433
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: have to deal with it. Joe exotic would would would

434
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: approve of it. Of the language. Um so eventually, you know, like,

435
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: here are some notes that I made, and i'd like

436
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: you all just to kind of react to my notes.

437
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: The headkeeper found the place on Craigslist and then a

438
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: year later was running tiger shows. Uh you Phil, you

439
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: got any here? That's just a fact. It must have

440
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: a robust training program qualified. Yeah, well this is this

441
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: is good. Goes back to your your recruitment story of

442
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: how he just roamed Oklahoma with a bus full of

443
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: math and just pulled on I mean, isn't it like

444
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: classic cult leadership, like you find like disenfranchise people cause

445
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: there nowhere else to go. This guy's gonna pay me

446
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: eight bucks an hour to scoop up tiger ship that

447
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Zude whatever had zookeeper Dude, Like, fully, that was like

448
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: what saved his life. I mean he was definitely fucked up,

449
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: but like I mean messed up, but like that was

450
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: like this what was the thing that saved his life?

451
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: For sure? Because you saw on the end, once it's over,

452
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, no, is this guy like overdosing on

453
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: drugs and just like but yeah, yeah, he totally seemed

454
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: like he you cared about the tigers too, the only

455
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: person that seemed like he really cared. Yeah, for sure.

456
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: He had to pulled out a little folder full of

457
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: like portraits of him and the tigers, and he was

458
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: very this place. This documentary is very funny, but it

459
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: goes goes some dark places and where they lived, like

460
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: he would recruit that. There's one scene in the show

461
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: where he goes to a gas station and like he's

462
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: just like, hey, do you want to live Do you

463
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: want to live in a trailer? You could work at

464
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: a burger place and then you can kind of live

465
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: in a trailer, and it's lad. He's like, yeah, sure,

466
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I'll live in a trailer. And then they showed the trailers.

467
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: There's like four trailers. Yeah, there's four trailers, and then

468
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: one dude's like laying on he just has a mattress

469
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: with a sheet on it, and there's seventeen like big

470
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: red Soda is all half drunk may Like what is

471
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: that guy? Is that only drinks? Like why he should

472
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: have a water Like it's hot in Oklahoma. They pull

473
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: out one of the drawers on the dresser and a

474
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: rat goes running. Yeah, and then Joe sounds like, you

475
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: want to live in my trailer park? And this guy's

476
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: allegedly like a millionaire. Meanwhile they live like they are.

477
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like absolute, there's no other word

478
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Craigslist zookeepers like, yeah, I'm like a hundred and thirty

479
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: dollars away one or four Saints and he goes and

480
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: then yeah, I love my employees. They're saying that it's

481
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: just like his cult is the worst cult. At least

482
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: doc Antell's cult. They get like they get you know,

483
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: fake breasts and such like yeah, no, um, Joe exotics cult,

484
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: they get expired Walmart neat. Yeah. The one guy's like, well,

485
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, lobster tails. You ever had a lobster tail

486
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: out of the back of a semi that's that's been

487
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: two weeks old. Sitting out back of a Walmart that's Choice, Man, Choice, Like,

488
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you about that garbage can full

489
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: of expired Walmart beating There's like a nasty juice that

490
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: runs out of the bottom, and the guys like this

491
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: was still frozen. Someone is another human being is filming

492
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: you for a documentary? Why are you? Okay? I think

493
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: we'll get to that, but I am blown away by

494
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: how much access that this director got. Like even when

495
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Joe is like hiding from the fens, he's like still

496
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: being filmed. Yeah. Like but they're all like crazy egomaniacs

497
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: that they just don't care. They're just like I mean,

498
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: they're like sociopaths, not even egomaniacs, are just like, yes,

499
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: this is my moment film me saying I'm going to

500
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: murder this woman. Well, what's the only Yeah, the only

501
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: thing they care about, and they say this is document

502
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: The only thing Joe excited cares about is getting famous.

503
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: So if that's the end game, he doesn't think about, Like,

504
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't think about anything else. And obviously, as well

505
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: as we'll get to in the story, he's not a

506
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: rational thinker per se. He doesn't. Uh. What we'll say

507
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: is think before he talks. Um. I'm not sure if

508
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: that makes him a right brain thinker or a left

509
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: brain thinker. Probably more like a no, no brain thinker,

510
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: just kind of lets it fly, which I really do enjoy. Um,

511
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: let's get let's get to another detail. Um, Joe. You know,

512
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: Joe is the king of the Misfits. As we've said, Um,

513
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: he has a gift shop on the Zoo. And in

514
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: the gift shop I made a few notes of what

515
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: he sells there. He sells Tiger King barbecue sauce. Uh,

516
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: he said, I sail Tiger King sex labe for girls

517
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: and guys. Uh, something worse like or something sexy gel

518
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: or something sexy jail. You can put it in your hair,

519
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: all on your genitals. That's fine either way. And then

520
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes. He says, he says, you know,

521
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: the bestseller in here is a Tiger King underwear. And

522
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: then the documentary Eric Goods says, oh, do you ever

523
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: wear the underwear? He said, Uh, No, I don't wear underwear.

524
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: Free ball and I've always free balling And can you

525
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: just imagine being that dude? Like the whole time I'm

526
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: seeing being like the guy like the ship he is

527
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: seeing out. Once you find out he puts a padlock

528
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: on his dick piercing, it's no surprise I's freeing hanging

529
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: up in his bedroom on the wall, which one will

530
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I put on there today? Also are all of his husbands,

531
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: don't we feel like they're not very like evenly matched? Yeah,

532
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: so that's my next note about about his husband. Now,

533
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: So if you go back to Joe's early life now,

534
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: and here's another thread that you'll find with all these people,

535
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: they're all they all have been a used so severely

536
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: as children, like as young adults are children. Joe Exotic

537
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: tells a sad story of when he told his parents

538
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: he was homosexual. His father made him shake his mother's

539
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: hand or shake their hand and say he would never uh,

540
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: they would never be able to go to his wedding.

541
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the dad's hand. Promised his dad

542
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: in front of his mom that he wouldn't funeral funeral,

543
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: So and later on those parents are brought back in

544
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: his sympathetic figures, which I blows my mind, Like what

545
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the mom's talking. She's like, I love my son, He's

546
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: the best and the dad just sits there silent, just

547
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: to say a word. Um. But then so like this

548
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: is what happens, is Joe exotic. He he is rejected

549
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: by his family and so he uh drives his car

550
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: off a bridge and breaks his back or breaks it,

551
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, is it's horribly injured. And end goes down

552
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: to Florida for rehab and is introduced to these animals

553
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: by someone while he's rehabing down there, and then uh,

554
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: he falls in love with those animals. Like fast forward

555
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: to when we meet him in the documentary. He has

556
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: two seven tigers and it's is spending almost a million

557
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: dollars a year just to feed him, like three quarters

558
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: of a million bucks a year just to feed these

559
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: damn things. Um. And like that juxtaposition is clear. But

560
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: then you have Carol Baskin, who I believe it's hard

561
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: to even to say that she was gang raped as

562
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: a young girl and and tells that story again to

563
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: your point, feel like these documentarians got the access of

564
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: all acts of like they let everything fly and it

565
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: becomes this like tragic tale of the weirdest thing you've

566
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: ever seen. But all these people, all these people that

567
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: are cult leaders are have are damaged in some way,

568
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: and it's they made it's made obvious in the in

569
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: the in the documentary, Yeah, I feel like Carol and

570
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Joe had like opposite storylines, Like one started like trying

571
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: to save tigers and by the end was just like

572
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: a murderer and just like only out for himself. And

573
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: then the other one, Carol started out a murderer tiger

574
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: tiger by your breeder for selfish reasons. And then I

575
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: feel like at some point after she killed her husband,

576
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: she was like, shit, I gotta like get right, like

577
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: I can't, like you know what I mean. Like she

578
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: went like full like straight edge, like everything's great, I'm

579
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: saving the tigers. We're gonna get to Carol, because I

580
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: think she she basically she was like somebody who was

581
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: being interviewed by the police that just admits to their

582
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: crimes without actually admitting to her crimes. At one point,

583
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: she was like, if I would have murdered that person,

584
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I would have covered them in fish oil or whatever,

585
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: sardine oil, Like, oh, is that how you would have

586
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: done it? Had you done it? One of one of

587
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: the best shots is like She's like, and then they

588
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: started coming up with this theory that I fed my

589
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: husband to the tigers, which is just crazy, like that's

590
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: like when she laughs after she says that were my

591
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: husband and I were, well, like did it she did it?

592
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: She didn't. So so we have so we have these

593
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: tragic figures that are just insane. Um and we know

594
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: that the best selling. So if anybody out anybody out there,

595
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: has a a jar of Tiger King barbecue sauce, I'd

596
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: love to. I'd love for you to send that over

597
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: to the th T headquarters so we can or if

598
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: you if anyone has been to the g W is

599
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: that what it's called g W zoo or what yep,

600
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: the g tell us about your experience, if you've been there,

601
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: or you've met this person, or you have had if

602
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: you have tasted the Tiger King barbecue sauce, I would

603
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: love love to if you've looped yourself up with the

604
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: uh tiger any of that, any of his underwear? Yes,

605
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: any of that? Um. So we already went to the workers.

606
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: They're part of this cult. They're all misfits. They're all

607
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: either out of jail or at the end of the

608
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: rope they record. They recruited by Joe Exotic. They make

609
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty thirty eight dollars per week. They eat

610
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: Walmart expired food. Uh, they live in squalor, and they

611
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: work ungodly hours to kind of prop up Joe Exotic

612
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: streme of owning the world. He's he's a true sociopath.

613
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: And then you get to the animals at Joe Exotics.

614
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: Do you remember Annie, how much money they make in

615
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: the first twelve weeks of a cub's life. I don't

616
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: remember them out, but I remember like after like some age,

617
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: like very young age, or like we can't make money

618
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: on them anymore. Yeah, So the first twelve weeks when

619
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: they do cub petting people what's cub petting? Essentially, people

620
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: come in and pet cubs to pay a fee to

621
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: pett a club and get a picture with the cub. Obviously,

622
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: if you know animals, you know that ain't good for

623
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: an animal. That much human contact just isn't good for

624
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: so many reasons. One of those reasons is, um, they're

625
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: big tigers. They become big tigers eventually and can rip

626
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: your arm off, which is what happens to one of

627
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: the suit keepers in the show. But in the first

628
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: twelve weeks of the club's life. That cub can be

629
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: worth a hundred thousand dollars to Joe and you're talking,

630
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, he's breeding these things and at one point

631
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: he says he has two seven of them. Um, so

632
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: it's a it's a large business for him. Um. But

633
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: are my favorite character of all And we're gonna rank

634
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: our favorite characters at the end of this, but my

635
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: favorite character of all is is Joe Exotics husband John Finley.

636
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: And I gotta give props to the documentarians here. They

637
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: interviewed this man with his shirt off the whole time,

638
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: because like, I love that this genius, genius genius, I mean,

639
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: has the tattoos of just like, uh, you know, he

640
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: has a tattoo below his belly button that says property

641
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: of Joe Exotic, among other tattoos. He has like a

642
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: tattoo on his arm that says like hey Joe or

643
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: something like that. I wonder, I wonder if that was

644
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: his decision to get that tattoo. I wonder if anything

645
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: was his decision. That's a good question. Ben. He was

646
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: only there for the meth, which became clear at the

647
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: very end. Yeah, And they basically just said that, like

648
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: they're like, well, you know, why doesn't he have many teeth.

649
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: I love how they explained why he didn't have teeth. Yeah,

650
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: the math, They're like, well, it's it's it's not because

651
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: a dental hygiene, a meth tangent about like how a

652
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: lot of these guys were there because they were getting

653
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: meth and they're a lot of drugs involved. And then

654
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: just like cut to John Finley, who was like silent smiling. Okay.

655
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: That's one thing I wanted to say is the the

656
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: editing and this entire documentary was in edible. It and

657
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: like just that, like the it's like if you painted

658
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa were able to see the brush strokes

659
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: like a shirtless a shirtless John Finley just popping up

660
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: throughout the whole seven hours, just randomly to say ship

661
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: that makes no sense most of the time. One time

662
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: they show him like making a pork butt or something

663
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: and I for what I but it's still beautiful. Most

664
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: of the time they're like, did you love Joe? He's like,

665
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: while I was there with him, that's that's That's one

666
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: thing I love about the end of this documentary is

667
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: like both of his husbands are like, well they preferred

668
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: women but math. So yeah, they're like, tell us you

669
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: about your relationship. I was such he opened my heart

670
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: to love. It's like he had been trained, like these

671
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: guys have been his second husband. When he first came on,

672
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: like came on at the zoo, Joe was like, are

673
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: you gay? And he was like no. And then he

674
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: was like, well, when you watch porn, do you like

675
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: seeing the big the big wonder, the more one. He's like, wow,

676
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: the I guess the big one. And he's like, well,

677
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: you're gay. Then that's how that works. Let's get married

678
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: married a three way Matt wedding ceremony. And this this

679
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: is where it's at this point. And if I could

680
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: say this and somehow sound sane, it's at this point

681
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: where it takes a turn for maccab it just takes

682
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: it becomes it becomes a satire of itself, and like

683
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: an onion, you just peel back the layers and it

684
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: just keeps getting making it keeps making you cry for

685
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: number one, but it keeps like it just keeps getting

686
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: weirder and weirder and weirder and weirder, and you're never

687
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: gonna get to the end of it. It's always like

688
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: we just I don't think we know all the things

689
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: that went on. I think we just got like the

690
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: base layer of weirdness because we certainly didn't get to

691
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: watch these guys smoking meth and do whatever they did

692
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: when the cameras weren't on the footage burned up in

693
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: the freaking alligator barn fire. Ye so yeah, yeah, yeah,

694
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: so okay, so we're we gotta get it's gonna be

695
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: five hours long. But so yeah, so that's a major

696
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: plot hole. I'm like, come from up. Yeah, Yes, that's

697
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: the huge question here, but a big, big thing just

698
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: to to to further describe I think we just got

699
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: toa further describe Joe Exotic. Then we'll get onto the

700
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: other happenings of the film. Joe Exotic is a musician

701
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: slash singer, but not really. He has you've already heard

702
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: a few of his His big debuts into that world,

703
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: which you know in general are I saw a tiger here,

704
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Kitty Kitty here, Kitty kitty, and I got about that

705
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: one yet. We'll get to Carol Baskin in a minute,

706
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: who haven't even really touched Um. I knew it was

707
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna go like this. I knew this is gonna be

708
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: ten hours long. Um. Yeah, so he is a musician.

709
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: But if you look at the videos which they show

710
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: in the documentary, he neither plays the guitar. He has

711
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: like one chord that is not the music that they're

712
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: actually playing in the video. He plays one chord. He's

713
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: not really even strumming the guitar, which makes no sense.

714
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: And he is not he's either they've either digitally mastered

715
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: his voice to make it unrecognizable or it's not even

716
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: him at all. So you can you can, if you've

717
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: got like an ear for it, you can tell if

718
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: something has been auto tuned or or something that was

719
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: not auto tune that is a different man's voice. Yeah,

720
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: that's definitely. I'll defer to you, Phil, I'll defer to

721
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: you in regards to like, that's not even him at all.

722
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: It's not it's not even close. It doesn't sound he sings.

723
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: They do this deliberately about halfway through the documentary, where

724
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: he's driving in his truck. He's like, I love to

725
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: jab in my truck and listen to myself thing, and

726
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: then he starts to sing his own song and it

727
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: sounds nothing like the voice that's on the radio. And this,

728
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: and he is not self aware enough to know someone's

729
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: filming him out himself for fraudulent music videos, or when

730
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: he breaks into song at his second husband's funeral and

731
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound anything like no, I mean it's it

732
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: would be like if if like if Garth Brooks, if

733
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: Gilbert Godfrey was like I sing like Garth bro Yeah. No,

734
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: oh no, I was just yelling at the TV. No,

735
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: that's not true, you liar. I literally didn't. I just

736
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: wrote a note on my phone. I was like, Wow,

737
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: he's a really good singer. Now he and but now

738
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: I see what you're they're saying. It's definitely not Yeah.

739
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: At first, I was like, you know, it's not that bad.

740
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: It's not him. Just definitely know. If I heard this

741
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: on like country radio, I'd just be like, yeah, it

742
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: sounds about right. Yeah. One of his songs, when you've heard,

743
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: is called ass all the Tagger, and he's just like strumming.

744
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: He's like, it's all the hunters to lay down their guns.

745
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: And there comes John Finley with a shirt with a

746
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: shirt on, this time toothless, holding an Air fifteen with

747
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: a scope up to his eyeball, like you know, like

748
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: somehow hunters are hunting cage tigers with air fifteen. So

749
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: it's some other alternate universe that Joe Exotic has created.

750
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: That's That's the thing I hate about. That's the thing

751
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: I hate is when I'm I'm walking through the one

752
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: through the woods and I see a guy holding the

753
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: rifle up to his face and hunting tigers in America,

754
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: it's a problem, it's a huge problem. But the meth

755
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: community is big on hunting cage tigers with a fifteens.

756
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: It actually might have been an a K forty seven.

757
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: I can't remember the actual Actually, it definitely had pink camo,

758
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: regardless of what kind of gun it was. I mean,

759
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: he expressed his love for pink camo. Yeah. When when

760
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: when a homosexual, polygamist zoo president is hunting tigers in

761
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: the wild with an air of fifteen? We know, you know,

762
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: this is a real depiction of a cultural you know,

763
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: the cultural lineage in America of the big cat industry

764
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: who ran for president. Yeah, yeah, we're not even I

765
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: don't even know if we're gonna get to that. We're

766
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep going, We're gonna keep going. But but at

767
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: one point, you know, Joe Exotic has an internet show

768
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: that he's been doing by the time the documentary starts

769
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: for a decade. Uh. And Rick Kirkman, who was a

770
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: filmmaker and a reporter who's there to produce a reality show.

771
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: He was he was one of my favorite characters in

772
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: the documentary producer for sure, but still I feel like

773
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: he was telling it like it was when they when

774
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: they interviewed him the first the first like the only

775
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: producer for that show, Like he could that no normal

776
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: person could would have done that, Like he was the

777
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: most normal person to be like other than the campaign

778
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: manager to be in the whole thing. So Joe Exotic

779
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: has this, He's got the the GW Exotic Cat Museum

780
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and he um has an internet

781
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: show that he goes on for ten years. It's just

782
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: him with a green screen just saying random things. And

783
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: the document the producer Rick Kirkman says he never had

784
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: more than eight people watching it live through the ten

785
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 1: years that he did it, which is another just great

786
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: little thing about this guy. This guy will Joe Exotic

787
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: would wants to be famous no matter what, and there's

788
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: no no outside force that can convince him otherwise, Unlike

789
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: if I had if I was eight years into a

790
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: live internet stream and eight people were watching it, I

791
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: might second think the state years in my life. But not.

792
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: Joe isodic. He's keeps chugging forward, and so much so

793
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: that near the near his demise, he decides to run

794
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: for president and in the most shocking of turns, gets

795
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: a spot like gets talked about on the What is

796
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: It The HBO Show last week tonight with John Oliver,

797
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: and I like, I don't somebody can take over here

798
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: for a minute, because I'm just I gotta take a

799
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: break and have a drink of white clone. What happens

800
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: in the campaign seth oh, Well, I don't remember a

801
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: whole lot about the presidential campaign, but I like the

802
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: governor campaign of Oklahoma. Yeah. Well, the presidential campaign falls

803
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: apart very quickly because he has no money and no support,

804
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: and so he's like, well, I can either wait four

805
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: years to run for president again, or I can wait

806
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: two years and run for governor of Oklahoma. Uh as

807
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: a as a libertarian, which is campaign manager is like,

808
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: he didn't even know what a libertarian was, but he

809
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: was like the campaign manager is one of the best characters.

810
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: I think the best the best, the only normal person

811
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: on the whole thing. Yeah, we have to we have

812
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: to round out Joe Exotic by saying he's he's a

813
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: crazy person to the extent where he shoots guns everywhere

814
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: he goes. He's always carrying around a gun. He's always

815
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: shooting Tanner, right, and he's always talking about this lady

816
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: named Carol Baskins, a bask Baskin, who's his mortal enemy

817
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: throughout the whole thing. Like I said, there's three levels

818
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: of the show. And you get to learn who these

819
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: people are, and then you get to learn their culture,

820
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: and then you learn their feud, and then you and

821
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: then it goes on and on. There's the layers. Carol Baskin, Uh,

822
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: maybe is the worst of all of them, only because

823
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: she's as crazy as Joe Exotic human. Yeah, but if

824
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna take just imagine if you're

825
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna take a crazy person and split them into and

826
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: then you would say to the one one half of

827
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: the crazy person, you're a liberal animal rights activists, and

828
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: you would put them in a corner, and you would

829
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: take the other half of the crazy person and you

830
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: would say, you are you happen to be gay, but

831
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: you're you're a right wing gun tote and redneck and

832
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: put them in the other corner. They're the same person,

833
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: just split into two and delivered in two different narratives.

834
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean it is like that is a part of

835
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: this show. It's the Carol is the ego. See here's

836
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: the thing. I listen, I almost agree with you. I

837
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: do not like Carol basking is obviously a creep of

838
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: a human being, but only one of those people almost

839
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: definitely hired someone to murder the other one. So yeah, Carol,

840
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: just straight listen. Okay, you guys, you guys are are

841
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: are show in your hand. But I wanted I wanted

842
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: to have it hold a whole discussion of whether or

843
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: not we think Carol actually murdered her husband. We got

844
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: at least we got at least six hours till midnight,

845
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: so we can keep going. Is that where we're cutting

846
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: it off? Yeah? Midnight cut off, cutting off. Yeah, that's

847
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: what I get divorced. So like, what what there? There's

848
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: so many parts here, But you're you're right, Phil, there's

849
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: there's a different They like having exude different personalities. I

850
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: think Carol is more cunning, smarter, more organized, than Joe,

851
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the only difference. They're both bombastic.

852
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: They both are absolutely insane. If I got to see

853
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: another clip of Carol Baskin riding a bike, uh, just

854
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: like a serial killer riding around like American Psycho slow motion,

855
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: riding a bike with a basket on the front, just

856
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: like she's riding to like massacre people, and I was like,

857
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I got to see another clip of her, just walk

858
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: at this riding a bike like this. It's awful. So

859
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: that's her, right, But then you know, here's another clip

860
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: of like, you know, a sex doll with Tanner right

861
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: between its legs, and Joe exotic and is too uh

862
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: eighteen year old husbands with no teeth are like shooting,

863
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: and when he shoots the Carol Baskin, uh, like doll

864
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: in the studio, in the studio, in the studio. But

865
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: what's more disturbing and maybe overlooked this he puts Tanner

866
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: right in the crotch of some sort of doll and

867
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: then proceeds to film himself shooting at it to blow

868
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: it up in a swamp somewhere in Oklahoma. Anyway, Carol

869
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: Baskin is like, you know, she she's just like the

870
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: devil and the angel on his shoulder, and they're like

871
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: they are they're really it's really the story of the

872
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: two of them. And she's an animal rights activist that

873
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: wants to end all private ownership in the captivity of cats,

874
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: and her husband what's her husband's name, Howard Howard, another

875
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: great character in this calls her the mother Trees of cats,

876
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, but well, she thinks what sets her

877
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: zoo apart from uh, from her animal sanctuary, she calls

878
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: her hers is a set of cages, a set of

879
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: fences and cages keeping animals enclosed and so they can't

880
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: get out. She thinks her animal sanctuary is juxtaposed to

881
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: another set of cages in Oklahoma run by Joe Exotic,

882
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: where animals can't get out because she's putting them in

883
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: there to save them from Joe until they die. And uh,

884
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: she's just she's as flamboyant as Joe. She dresses a

885
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: cat prince, she has cat luggage, she has cats all

886
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: over her house. She would snort cats off a table

887
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: if that was possible. She is a crazy like at

888
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: one point she's like, well, I I couldn't have I

889
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: didn't have any friends as a out. So I when

890
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: I got old enough and I've met these tigers, I

891
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: was like, these tigers can be my friends. Yeah, she is.

892
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: She is a therapy session, just encapsulated in this documentary.

893
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: She it just she has an army of trainees that

894
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: work for free. Like we said earlier, there they get

895
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: different colored shirts based on how long they've worked for free.

896
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: She calls them interns. They were crazy hours, they miss

897
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: holidays with their families. They seem brainwashed. I don't know

898
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: what they think. They're saving these cats, and in fact,

899
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, it comes out within the documentary that most

900
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: of the some of the cats weren't were born there,

901
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: that aren't even rescued. The whole idea is that she's

902
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: rescuing cats from other people like Doc Cantel and Joe

903
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: Exotic and then putting them in uh in cages again

904
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: and then eventually like giving them to other sanctuaries. Um,

905
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: that part is the craziest part. But I would like

906
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: you guys all to comment on. We'll start with you Annie.

907
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: I feel like she just all she does is say

908
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: things about other people that are true about herself the

909
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, I mean, she's exactly, Like she's exactly

910
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: the same as Joe Exotic in my opinion, but this,

911
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: like her demeanor is different and she's like mare calculated

912
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: with what she's doing. And also the way they edited

913
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: this is like they edited Joe and it's all like

914
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: choppy and like high energy, and then her ship is

915
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: all like tranquil music, slow motion hair blowing. But it's

916
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: the same thing, like there's tigers in cages eating freaking

917
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: raw meat, like it's the same. And so Peter has

918
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: investigated her, and twoousand eleven they investigated Big Cat Rescue

919
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: for not having like a breeding cat's number one, which

920
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: they admit are at this um. Not all of the

921
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: cats at the sanctuary had been rescued, and Peter was

922
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: calling for them to stop these live tours. So because

923
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: Carol Baskin is charging ungodly amounts of money for people

924
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: to take tours of this place, they don't touch the

925
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: animals like they do with Joe exact place, but they

926
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: are still in close proximity to them, which stresses them out.

927
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: And she has a gift shop where people can buy

928
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: and make money, just like the gift shop in Joe

929
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Exotics place. Um, I'm not sure, if they sell sex

930
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: loube there, I would say probably not they should, but

931
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: I would buy Carol Baskin sex lube. I'm gonna If

932
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy anyone sex loubs, it would be docks

933
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: docks stuff. Yeah, we definitely know where your loyalty lies. Annie.

934
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: So that's Carol Baskin. To tell her story, we'll have

935
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: to do it shorter than we told Joe Exotics. But

936
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: she uh had a lot of troubles as a kid,

937
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: had a husband left. Well, somebody helped me out here.

938
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: That's the craziest story. Baby. Oh my god. The gun,

939
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: the gun in the passenger seat. Did you forget this, Phil?

940
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: Give it to me, to give this one to me.

941
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: This is maybe the craziest one of all what Phil? Okay?

942
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: So this guy I don't even remember his name, was

943
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: it John? It doesn't. I think it's this guy Don,

944
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: married with the family. He's known to be a womanizer,

945
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: is his He's driving around at night and sees a Yeah,

946
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: multimillionaire sees a crying teenager walking down the street. And

947
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: let's just briefly stop for a minute, just repeat what

948
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: you just said. A millionaire's driving around sees a teenage

949
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: girl crying, stops and then what happens now that just

950
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: that right there, tries to convince her to get into

951
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: the car because she needs some company obviously, and uh,

952
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: she says no, keeps walking. He keeps driving along with her,

953
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: says she keeps in now, and then he turns around

954
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: like kind of loops around and stops again. He's like, hey,

955
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: check out that on I just put in the passenger

956
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: seat like he put a gun. Listen, listen, lady, get

957
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: in the car. Pick up that gun and pointed at

958
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: me while I drive. So you know that I won't

959
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: do anything to you. I'm just here to I'm just

960
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: here to you for you to have. I'm a shoulder

961
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: to cry on. And then it cuts to her being like,

962
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: so I got in the car and I and I

963
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: spent the night with him. That night, she spent the

964
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: night with them. They she drives around and he talks

965
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: while she holds a gun on them, and then they

966
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: have sex, and then and then they get married, thank god.

967
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: And then and then she kills him for leading for

968
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: legal reasons. I'm going to say allegedly, but continue, it's

969
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: clear she has no lawyers listening to this are the

970
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: things that I've done throughout the show. There's no lawyers here.

971
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I'm saying asale. There's no one's

972
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: defending us. I could be I am. I am three

973
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: claws deep, and I've drank all my whiskey. I'm flying high.

974
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: At this point, I can't, So we gotta, we gotta

975
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: touch on. She killed her husband that was days away

976
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: from leaving her, taking all of his all of his

977
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: money away from her. Don Lewis's ex wife is also

978
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: one of my favorite characters because she looks like one

979
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: of the Golden girls. She looks younger than her daughters,

980
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: and she just like that was incredible. She just yeah,

981
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: she's just so. She hasn't aged a day. They talk

982
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: about Don Lewis, they're like, yeah, his daughters even like, yeah,

983
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: he liked to cheat on our mom's that's something that

984
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: he did. If he had a flaw, it was that

985
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 1: he cheated on our mother every day. And he talks

986
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: about their father like that. You know, he was a

987
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: horrible per person. So he leaves his wife and kids

988
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: to go be with Carol Baskin. After this gun hole,

989
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's going he's holding guns on people.

990
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: There's no way to describe this. Then they get married,

991
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: and it's somewhere along the way they start buying cats,

992
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: and it's like, of course they did, because they're crazy.

993
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: Let's start buying cats and they have a cat sanctuary.

994
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: I think it was originally called, like do you guys

995
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: remember what it was originally called, like Cats of the

996
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: Earth or some thing. Uh, they start arguing about, you know,

997
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: don Lewis is a millionaire's a businessman, he's a Lasaria Alexario.

998
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: He likes to cheat on all the women he's with

999
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: and he so he is arguing with Carol about, hey,

1000
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to breathe these cats. Carol would like to

1001
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: um not breathe them and like save them, and so

1002
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: they have this argument. Somewhere along the way, Donnie Lewis

1003
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: starts going down to Costa Rica and he gets himself

1004
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: a girlfriend in Costa Rica. She seemed to get girlfriends

1005
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: everywhere he went, and then and then eventually he's dead.

1006
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: He was in Costa Rica. She would she would new

1007
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: to all the all the cats so he couldn't breathe them.

1008
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: And so eventually, uh, he is dead and she kills

1009
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: him allegedly, Uh, she did it. And so he's he's

1010
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: been telling, he's been telling, he's been telling his friends,

1011
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, I'm gonna leave my wife. I'm

1012
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna tell her I'm gonna leave her, and I'm taking

1013
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: all my money. She's not getting any of it. Files

1014
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: a restraining order against us for making death threats, which

1015
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: doesn't get upheld in court. So they find his van

1016
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: at the airport and and they're like, listen to this

1017
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: guy was actually gonna like skip down to like was

1018
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: it Cuba he was going or Costa Rica? Okay, and

1019
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: he he wanted to like sneak away. He wouldn't just

1020
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: like leave his van unlocked at the airport like he

1021
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: would he would have done something else. And uh yeah,

1022
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: So clearly like something happened. He didn't just disappear. And

1023
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: multiple he had multiple airplanes that he owned. Yeah, she

1024
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: couldn't keep track of how many air never said that

1025
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: like one of his airplanes were missing. Yeah. I though

1026
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: about too, I'm like, what this missing airplane? But she

1027
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how many had who knows?

1028
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Later I don't know. Later on we're

1029
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: talking about Joe Exo. She's like, uh, Joe Exoda got

1030
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: attacked by a tiger, and he thought that his people

1031
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: in his midst had like put oil on his shoes

1032
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: that tigers Like. She says, well, if you're going to

1033
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: kill somebody, you would definitely just put sardine oil on

1034
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: on their shoes. It's like O. J. Simpson wrote a book,

1035
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: like if I did it, Like, that's Carol Basket. Yeah,

1036
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: if the glove fits, Yeah, if the glove fits, and

1037
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: it fits in this case, it's so anyway, Carol baskin

1038
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: is is allegedly kills Don Lewis and feeds him to

1039
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: his tigers. This is a big rumor. And and then

1040
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: or puts them in the septic or puts him under

1041
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: the septic tank or whatever. No matter what, he's he's gone.

1042
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: She gets his money, she gets nine of his estate.

1043
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: He's raids the office, like his will raids the office,

1044
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: creates a will, includes in the will in case of

1045
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: death or disappearance or disappearance in the will. She wrote

1046
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: the new will, uh, and was like, I've never seen anything.

1047
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: No one ever writes or disappearance in their will, so

1048
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: obviously yeah, yeah, it's like I died by podcasts electrocution, Like, oh,

1049
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: that's weird. That's weird. It feels like all my money.

1050
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, Anyway, she gets rich and then uses

1051
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: this money to like lord over all these other people

1052
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: throughout the documentary. So that's Carol Baskin. I mean, she's

1053
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: an animal rights activist who keeps animals in cages and

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01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: profits off a T shirts. And she has made a

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,479
Speaker 1: note about this, because this, I think is the most

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: telling part of the documentary in terms of the first

1057
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: question I asked, why do people love cats so much?

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01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: Carol basking at the time had two million views on

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: her YouTube page for Big Cat Rescue, had like millions

1060
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: of followers on Facebook, and that just goes to show

1061
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: like the power of these cats. This is a an

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01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: insane person who was going to lobby Congress about the

1063
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: Big Cat Safety Act and is essentially a social media

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: superstar based on what I don't know, creepily riding a

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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: bike around like I'm not really sure, I'm not really

1066
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: sure what what happened there. So that we're gonna leave

1067
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: her where she is. That's that's her character. Now we

1068
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: gotta go to Doc Ansel for old Doc Beach Beach,

1069
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Yeah, he this war over the animal rights

1070
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: includes like the godfather of uh big cats news, And

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: that's dock Antel. What's his what's he make? People call

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01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: him Bogdava or something like that. Well, that's his like

1073
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: legal first name, isn't it? And that means like that

1074
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: means like lord, lord of all creatures or something like.

1075
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to make that real because it's because

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01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: he's he has the myrtle beach zoo burtleb safari and

1077
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: he has again we've already talked about his cult. I

1078
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: just wrote down, uh actually and describing him in my notes,

1079
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: I wrote a lot of curse words. I'll skip over those. Uh.

1080
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: I wrote a guy that rides around on elephants, has

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01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: multiple wives, and basically runs a cult. He thinks that

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01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: showing animals to people up close opens their hearts. And

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01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: while it's two tigers, they use money for the worldwide conservation.

1084
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: He's got a cadre of ladies who changed their names

1085
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: who come to live with him. Young ladies who come

1086
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: to live with him. They changed their names, They become vegetarians,

1087
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: they get breast implants and essentially go crazy and work

1088
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: like sixteen hour days and living as we said earlier

1089
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: in the podcast, they live in like roach infested horse

1090
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: horse like and and he has like he does sexy

1091
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: cat social media posts and calendars. And here's another guy

1092
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: that just just making money on everything cats. And he

1093
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: also did a bunch of Hollywood movies in the nineties

1094
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: and kind of gained some fame throughout that. Um he

1095
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: has early on he looks like a douche bag Yanni

1096
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: with his mustache, not Yannice, but like Yanni the not

1097
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: not not the lot via Eagle. We're not talking, We're

1098
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: talking about Yanni the musician. Yeah, so Yanni he's got

1099
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: and then he later in his life he he grows

1100
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: like a ponytail. Oh yeah, he was. He was tipping

1101
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: this like textbook cult stuff with this guy, Like he

1102
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: looks from Penn and Teller kind of yes, oh yeah,

1103
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: for sure. He's got the soul, the blonde soul patch yeah,

1104
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: like yeah and and uh and like in a Vegas

1105
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: on stage show. Yeah. So one of my favorite things

1106
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: about this guy, like when I'm going back to how

1107
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: the editing of this documentary was great, is that this

1108
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: guy when he brings the directors of this documentary into

1109
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: his house and his property. He just just just takes over.

1110
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: He just he's setting up the shots. He's telling them

1111
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: what he wants them to do, telling them his his

1112
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: ideas of how he was like the door, and I

1113
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: thought to myself, Steven Ronella would never do this, pretend

1114
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: to welcome his His whole demeanor changes when he's he's

1115
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: when the cameras are quote unquote rolling there, and like

1116
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: when he's just talking to the filmmakers, he's just like

1117
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 1: a total asshole when he's talking to the filmmakers, But

1118
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: then when it's rolling, he's like, oh, hi, it's me

1119
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: doc Anteli. Kind of welcome to my safari. And just

1120
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: like every other cult leader, like all his women have

1121
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: houses and they're all like, oh, Sherry lives there, but

1122
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: I made her change her name to Bala and you're like,

1123
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: come on, come on, China, California. So like, so the

1124
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: relationship here, this is the triumvirant of cults. The relationship

1125
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: here is that Joe Exotic idolizes doc Ansel and he

1126
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: sends people up. He sends his employees crackhead methodics to

1127
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: go and like stay there and study how he does it.

1128
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: Study the marketing of it, studying how to make a

1129
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: profitable enterprise basically at some point, so doc really is

1130
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: just that he doesn't really isn't really involved in anything.

1131
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: He becomes a commentator on the whole affair at the

1132
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: end when we get into the war between Carol and

1133
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: Joe and where the filmmaker, where the producer, right, uh,

1134
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: Richard Kirkman comes in. Well, it's it's, it's, it's it's

1135
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: at the like the last tech still the documentary. It's

1136
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: you find out that his his property was rated by

1137
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: the FEDS and in December of twenty nineteens, which is

1138
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, super recent. Yeah no, And he's like, yeah,

1139
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: they think he euthanizes a lot of cubs and as

1140
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: like a gas chamber. I think it is. He even said,

1141
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: once the tigers become a certain age, they just become

1142
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: like an expense. Yeah they do, you know, yeah they do. Yeah.

1143
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: We said it's a twelve week thing. They can make

1144
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: money off of them, and then they become ridiculous dispense.

1145
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, going back to my time in Texas,

1146
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: asking that the guy whose place I was turkey hunting, like,

1147
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: how do you afford a tiger man? What's up with that?

1148
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Anybody's is like, well, they're very cheap to buy. It's

1149
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: just to feed them and the veterinarian bills. You know,

1150
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: it could be a million dollars a year just for

1151
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: those things. So it's it's not that you know, buying

1152
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: them as an issue, it's the it's the upkeep is

1153
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: the issue. There. There are two thousand dollars, that's like

1154
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: less than like a lot of dogs. Like that's like

1155
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: an iPhone. That's like an iPhone, you know, uh so similar.

1156
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: But so yeah, I mean that's so those are like,

1157
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: those are the characters. Those are the people that are

1158
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of like at the center of what is a

1159
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 1: triumvirate of um cults all around this very powerful attraction

1160
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: to exotic tigers. Now we I think we've kind of

1161
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: worked through the first two layers. The third layer of

1162
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: this is the war between Carol and Joe. Did I

1163
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: miss anything? Are we are we like close to getting

1164
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: to the end of this? Yeah, I think we're pretty close.

1165
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: We've got we've got very eccentric personalities who own big

1166
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: cats and are exploiting them in different ways and are

1167
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: trying to just kind of yeah, when this this like

1168
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: fake battle they have going in their minds of exactly

1169
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: who was the tiger king slash queen. Uh so this

1170
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: it's it all kind of it kind of kicks off

1171
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: when our boy Joe Exotic, who at this point, let

1172
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: me let me just go, let me take well, I

1173
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: don't know where to go here. Let me just say,

1174
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: let me just pause for a moment and say that

1175
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: Travis Mouldenado, this is Travis, right, Travis Mouldenando yea his

1176
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: his second husband and second husband and the trio. I

1177
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: can see a lot of people being these three U

1178
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: guys that their wedding for Halloween. They're wearing like shiny

1179
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: pink button up shirts and cowboy hats are going to

1180
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: be I can see that being a big Can we please?

1181
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: Can we please do that? I just think it to

1182
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: be Carol, Carol, Okay, well I think we have to

1183
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: commit to this now. I want to be John Finley. Okay.

1184
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm Travis because Seth's got the

1185
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: most the Joe Exotic. Yeah, I'm seeing that. I think

1186
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: that's probably right. I think that's probably I gotta be

1187
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic. Yes, you gotta be exotic. The mullet now.

1188
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,879
Speaker 1: So essentially, these are two straight men that Joe exotic

1189
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: has pulled into his world, given him a place to live,

1190
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: given them cars, giving them meth, and kind of like

1191
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: turn them into I don't know what. I'm not even

1192
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: sure how to describe their relations, but essentially they're all

1193
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: three getting married and they're wearing like bright pink button

1194
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,520
Speaker 1: up shirts just they just like I just can't describe

1195
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: what they look like. They look like and they have

1196
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: cut this like pink cake. The whole affair seems weird.

1197
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: Nobody seems to be into it. Yeah, it feels very forced,

1198
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: where like he might be the only person into it

1199
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: and everyone else is they're kind of like, oh no,

1200
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: like should we stop this? I guess it becomes it

1201
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: becomes clear just a little bit later that John Finley

1202
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: is like not at all into this, Like he is

1203
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: not stoked about Travis being here. Yeah, so yeah, everything

1204
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: every commentary from the two husbands, John and Travis, they

1205
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: always hedge everything. Um, they're like, you know, I'm very

1206
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: happy with Joe, like whatever Joe told them to say,

1207
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: and then they get into like you know, how do

1208
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: you feel like good? That's that's about all they can do.

1209
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: So it's the strangest, most awkward, most obvious situation where

1210
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: this guy has used his power and kind of his

1211
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: the flare that he lives with and the things he

1212
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: can give these people to bring them in. He calls

1213
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 1: him husbands, but they could have just been members of

1214
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: the cult just as just as easily they come in. Travis.

1215
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: Travis's story is the saddest of all of them. They

1216
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: they're these these guys are all on drugs, They're all

1217
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: wielding guns, They're all doing things no one would approve of,

1218
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, in in guns safety class. Um. It just

1219
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: is a crazy environment, it seems. And so I don't

1220
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 1: know who wants who wants to take on telling of

1221
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: of I don't want to tell the story, but I

1222
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: will just say, like you, basically, I feel like that

1223
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: the show starts right when Travis shows up, almost and

1224
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: you can just see the like deterioration and like how

1225
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: much he changes over whatever four or five years, Like

1226
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: it's like a different human being, just like all the drugs.

1227
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else are doing, but

1228
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh no, what's going on with this Travis?

1229
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: He kind of shows up and then they like introduce

1230
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: his character, and they kind of like disappears for a while. Yeah,

1231
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: like they don't really show much of him, and then

1232
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: then they like bring out the whole drug problem and

1233
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: well like slowly becomes unhinged, and then you see more

1234
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: and more of him, like just shooting, Like he's really

1235
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: into like pointing his gun at ship shooting stuff. He's

1236
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: the one I think that shoots the Carol Baskin blow

1237
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: up doll in the crotch. Maybe. Yeah, he's definitely like

1238
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: the most excited about shooting about just like blowing ship up.

1239
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,839
Speaker 1: He's just he's he's really just there for the thrills.

1240
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: Like he's he's there to get high and have a

1241
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: good time. Yes, And he's just he says, he's like

1242
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: didn't have a life before this. He's kind of drawn

1243
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: into this world as as a way to kind of

1244
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: have a life and have things he never had before

1245
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: and have acceptance and love whatever version of that that's there.

1246
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: And like, there there are many you know, we laugh,

1247
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: we joke, but there are many of like just very

1248
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: tragic moments in this and this is very much wonder

1249
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: Woman's like a young man who just is lost and

1250
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: thinks he's found within this group of people. But it

1251
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: only gets further lost, only gets you know, out there

1252
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: further by taking drugs and and be in this relationship.

1253
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: And I will say too, like when they go through

1254
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: the whole funeral thing at the end. Um, his mom

1255
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: is clearly math head. Math head. Yeah for sure, he

1256
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: probably did not have a great upbringing. No, and like

1257
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,440
Speaker 1: he cleared he says that at one point. And eventually

1258
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: he's sitting in you know, Joe's campaign manager. What's that guy?

1259
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: Anybody have his name on hand? Uh? Got it right here. Um,

1260
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: there's so many characters in this this manage. Joshua Dial,

1261
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: Joshua Dial. He so he's like the only one of

1262
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: the only sane ones. He's somehow stumbled into this as

1263
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: a as a what seems to be like like his life. Yeah,

1264
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: he sees as some leinit list as like a forward

1265
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: thinking campaign manager with nothing else, no other jobs, and

1266
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: took this thing. So he's the narrator of Travis's death.

1267
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: Travis is waving around a pistol. I can't remember the

1268
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: making model, but I think it is mentioned within the show. Yeah,

1269
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a Ruger specifically, is trying

1270
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: to like convince the campaign manager. He's like, it's fine,

1271
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: Like there's not a bullet. There's like I don't have

1272
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: a clip in it, and there can't be a bullet

1273
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: in the chamber. Yeah, Like that the whole thing, like

1274
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: saying the word clip and like the whole description of

1275
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: firearms as somebody like who knows that the nomenclature. I'm like,

1276
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: oh no, if you're saying like there's no clip in it,

1277
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: and so it's okay, Like, well, that's not right. That's

1278
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: that's that's not right at all. Um So eventually is

1279
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: wielding a gun around jokingly. I feel like, tell me

1280
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: if I get the strong jokingly puts it to its

1281
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: head to prove it's not loaded, and pulls the trigger

1282
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: and shoots himself in the head and ties And there's

1283
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: security camera footage, yes, all of him killing himself, but

1284
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 1: it's like he's just off camera. Yeah you see the reaction,

1285
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: you see that, You see the muzzle, Yeah, you see

1286
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: the muzzle flash. And Joshua, Yeah, Joshua is never going

1287
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 1: to be the same. He clearly like throughout the throughout

1288
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: the whole seven hours, like degree like deteriorates throughout the

1289
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: seven hours and he comes out in the end, it's

1290
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: just like a bearded uh vagrant, like he just can't

1291
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: He just doesn't know what to do with his life now.

1292
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 1: And he had totally had like Stockholm syndrome because after

1293
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: that happened, Like before that happened, he was like, these

1294
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: bitches are crazy, get me the hell out of here.

1295
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: And then that happened in and he was like, felt

1296
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: so bad for Joe Exotic being alone because I think

1297
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: the other husband had left him too by that point

1298
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: for a woman that he got pregnant. But he was

1299
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 1: just like I couldn't leave him, and so we just stayed.

1300
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: You just stayed. There's no more campaign over presidential governor

1301
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: the campaign, so he just stays. But yeah, there's something

1302
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: weird that draws people to this that I don't know.

1303
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's the saddest part of it, that this

1304
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: this young man that dies and then at the funeral

1305
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: it gets weird. Joe Exotic sings, makes it all about him,

1306
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: makes it a performance like he kind of always does.

1307
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: That's where the point of the documentary where you just

1308
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: gotta like feel everybody's exhaustion with Joe Exotic, Like you

1309
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: start to feel the palpable, just like this is getting old,

1310
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: This is not going to end well, Like this guy's

1311
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: losing it a little bit at this point. Right, Um,

1312
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: so where do we go next? Phil help me out here? Oh?

1313
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: He gone? Oh Phil gone, I think I think we

1314
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: should go to Uh is it too soon to go

1315
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: to the Vegas guy? No, that's what happens next. It's

1316
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: like that all happens and then kind of simultaneously, maybe

1317
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: the timeline is unclear, really like kind of jumped back

1318
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: and forth a lot. So ye, going to the Jeff Low,

1319
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 1: the Jeff Low. Yeah, So what happens is this is

1320
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: maybe the dumbest part of it. Joe Exotic feels like

1321
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: that the power of Google is helping Carol Baskin so much,

1322
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: because when you google big cat Rescue, you come up

1323
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: with big cat rescue. You can't. I'm listening to this,

1324
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you can't have that if you google.

1325
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: If you google a thing, you can't get the thing.

1326
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: And so and so he the sides to create Big

1327
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Cat Rescue Entertainment, which is kind of his live touring show.

1328
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: And at this point, this is when he opens a

1329
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: window for and you know, this is when he's like

1330
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: shooting uh sex dolls that are dressed like Carol. He's

1331
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: he's just lying off the handle. And he Um creates

1332
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: Big Cat Rescue Entertainment, which is clearly a ruse, as

1333
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: some of the characters say to, you know, kind of

1334
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: steal the digital thunder from the actual Big Cat Rescue

1335
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: and our our buddy Howard. It's kind of feel like

1336
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: the mastermind of suing Joe Exotic Forement for infringement. They

1337
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: sue him, they win, and they go about collecting I

1338
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: think a million or two million dollar restitution of some kind.

1339
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: And this is where Joe exactly starts to slide into

1340
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 1: what eventually becomes the end of his his whole story,

1341
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: and he starts to get desperate, and he doesn't have

1342
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: any money. They're coming after him for all his possessions.

1343
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: They're trying to take everything he has, are trying to

1344
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: force him to stop pat cub petting and selling and

1345
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: breeding tigers. And incomes Jeff Low, and I will let

1346
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: Annie describe this person, Oh god, um like physically or

1347
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: just just freewheeling. We're we're two hours in. Just just

1348
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: let it okay. Jeff Low is another like big cat fanatic,

1349
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: but his kind of like deal is that he's really

1350
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: into like um Las Vegas strippers, clubs and like threesomes

1351
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: or just like group sex type things is what it

1352
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: seems like. He like he goes and has a party

1353
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: at like a hotel room in Vegas, and um tots

1354
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: a baby like tiger in via like a rolling suitcase

1355
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: and then brings it into a room and then let's

1356
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: like people cuddle it. He looks insane. He's like a

1357
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: silver hair and he wears a do rag under white

1358
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: guy do rag or some kind of banana under like

1359
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: a like a very large hat. And then he wears

1360
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: like that what's that ship that's like um oh, I

1361
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 1: can't remember the name of his may like faded ripped jeans.

1362
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: Jeans have so many holes in them. You're like, dude,

1363
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: you gonna be cold, like like you might as well

1364
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: just be wearing shorts. Man like he he just dresses

1365
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: like a teenager that's never had a mirror in front

1366
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: of Like he total scumbags. And he's like description or

1367
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: his like title there is whatever, like job description on

1368
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: the lower third is like businessman of business. I have

1369
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: a man of business, yes, And so he comes in

1370
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: as an investor quote unquote, and he starts to you know,

1371
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: rain chaos down on the GW Exotic Zoo Menagerie meth House.

1372
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: He he comes in and because Joe can't really if

1373
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: he owns anything, Carol will take it. If anything is

1374
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: owned in his name, Carol will just take it as

1375
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: part of the lawsuit. So he gives ownership a the zoo,

1376
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: the entire thing to Jeff Low after a whole bunch

1377
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 1: of things happened that to kind of buddy them up

1378
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: to each other. So we actually, for for the purposes

1379
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: of not giving it to Carol, gives it to Jeff.

1380
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: And that's where the whole the end begins right there,

1381
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: when he gives it to Jeff. I mean, if you

1382
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: look at that guy, I'm like, I wouldn't give that

1383
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 1: guy a ride to the airport, let alone, let alone

1384
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: my life's work. But that's such as Joe Exotic, he's

1385
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: losing his mind at this point, his husband has shot

1386
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: himself on the head accidentally. He's losing his mind if

1387
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't already lost, and he's kind of he's got

1388
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: this cohort that is what is clearly just kind of

1389
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: setting him up to take his wealth. I think where

1390
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: we are, Yeah, it's I think it's pretty clear. And

1391
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: every once in a while Doc Antel pops up and

1392
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: just like gives a nugget of wisdom from my point

1393
01:25:53,200 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: of view, Like this story was honestly one of the

1394
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: filmmaking choices I didn't love where they just kept cutting

1395
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: the duck antle things. They're just to establish that like

1396
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: all these people were fucking crazy. It was. But the

1397
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: thing is is that like we all knew that he

1398
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: was fucking crazy, So it was like, how could he

1399
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: be the voice of how can he be the voice

1400
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: of reason? Like the omniscient narrator popping up going like, hey, guys,

1401
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 1: here's what I think. You wrote an elephant to the party.

1402
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: You're not welcome, go away. Never mind, I take it back.

1403
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 1: It was brilliant. It was brilliant satire. Almost You're like,

1404
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't like, why am I listening to this person.

1405
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, let me bring some levity to

1406
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: the affair here, I am. Let me stroke my ponytail

1407
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: a few times. I'm gonna go bathe my elephant in

1408
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: the river. Now watch, like what's he doing with his elephants?

1409
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Like it takes the elephant to the river to bathe,

1410
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: and there's like a pontoon boat going by, and he's like,

1411
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: she's just in a river in Oklahoma or Myrtle beach

1412
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,839
Speaker 1: or where he's like a myrtle beach just bathing an elephant,

1413
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Like what is going on? And he is somehow the

1414
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: omniscient narror to come to tell us, like, yeah, I'll

1415
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: tell you what the real story is, folks, Like he's

1416
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: like Blue from the Jungle Book is coming. Yeah, I

1417
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: don't know. At this point, he serves no purpose other

1418
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: than the one you've you stayed at Phil, Like he

1419
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: just comes in and just says random shit, uh, for

1420
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: no reason, which I enjoy I like, I hated him

1421
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,560
Speaker 1: so much every time he came on camera. Um, so

1422
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: where are we I He's got my brain is a

1423
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: race now? So Jeff shows up. He's there basically to

1424
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 1: steal the business, but he comes in to bail out

1425
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic from his like lawsuit with Carole Baskin. Yeah,

1426
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: and we must say this, we talked about the whole

1427
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: like the presidential and government campaigns too soon, because this

1428
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: is when he starts running for governor and steals money

1429
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: from the zoo to pay for his pain, which I

1430
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 1: feel which I feel like should be okay, and he

1431
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: was using that money for campaign like bullshit, like condoms

1432
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: with his face. Yeah, so Travis, his husband is dead,

1433
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 1: His other husband runs off with a female co worker

1434
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: and has a baby, and that there's another guy comes

1435
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: like somehow two months later he marries another man. He

1436
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: meets another man on the internet, eighteen year old man

1437
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 1: on the internet, not even a man child another child

1438
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: he meets on the internet and like goes camp on

1439
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: campaign like whistle stop campaign towards and limos around somewhere

1440
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. And then it's it's like if you were

1441
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: on an acid trip that took too long. At this point,

1442
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, when's this gonna be over? And

1443
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: when can I get off the ride? Because there's too

1444
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: many loop the loops and I'm be getting do we

1445
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: have to do another loop to loop because I've been

1446
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: through seventeen of them and he's going around. He doesn't

1447
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: he doesn't win the campaign. Sadly, Uh, it comes in

1448
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: third place, comes in third place, which I even that

1449
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: even that there was anybody beneath him in the voting

1450
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: is a shock to me. But he comes in the

1451
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: like of the vote of the vote, that's kind of

1452
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I mean that's amazing. That's more than

1453
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: eight percent of the vote, which is a lot. There's man,

1454
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: all right, Well, moving moving on as we get to

1455
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: kind of like where things start to fall apart. For

1456
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: for Joe Exotic at this point, he's crazy, fully on,

1457
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: just crazy. Jeff Low is brought in another basically serial

1458
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: killer to help manage the zoo because they can't find

1459
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: any other normal people and the way they keep describing

1460
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: how will come to work there, and it's increasingly crazy

1461
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: and guys like, well, you know, I used to be

1462
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: a felon and Jeff Low called me up and said

1463
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you want to work at a zoo and I was like, well,

1464
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: better than going to jail. And then he just like

1465
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: it was running the whole thing. Alan, Yeah, I'm gonna

1466
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: start a company where I'm just like, what did you do?

1467
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: What did you do? Kill someone with a minivan? All right,

1468
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: you're the head accountant. I'm a really big fan of that.

1469
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: That tear drop tattoo, You've got it look stylish for me?

1470
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: What's that tear drop tattoo mean? Did the detattoo artist

1471
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 1: Trip and fall onto your face. Oh no, you murdered

1472
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: a guy. Well, you're running the zoo to take care

1473
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: of animals. Yeah, so Jeff Low. Jeff Low takes the

1474
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: zoo from Joe Exotic, which you know this is an

1475
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: obvious piece of the story, like that, there's no way

1476
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: that he's not going to do that. He basically says like, uh,

1477
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: the Feds are after you. There. The FEDS are working

1478
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: with uh the crazy tear drop tattoo guy. They're also

1479
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: at some point, Uh, there's a strip club owner named Seth.

1480
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: Help me out with a strip club guy, James Garrison

1481
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: and at some point maybe the best the best scene

1482
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: of this is my favorite sequence. It's like a ten

1483
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: minute sequence in the documentary when they turned into like

1484
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: they turned into like Oceans eleven where this guy becomes

1485
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: like an FBI informant and he's like so proud of

1486
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's like, I owned a lever and

1487
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I've created a bunch of fake credit cards and I

1488
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: needed a way to get out of it. So I

1489
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: started ratting to the FBI, and I was like, you

1490
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: want to get Jo Exotic, I'll help I. And then

1491
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: it's like cut too, SloMo like wind in his hair

1492
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: walking by. And then and then the phone call between

1493
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Low and uh, tear Drop Tattoo guy is well,

1494
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite part where they they're like, well, what's

1495
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: this all mean? Man, Well, I'll tell you if we can,

1496
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: if we can give the Feds, Joe Exotic will be

1497
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: free ourselves. He's like, well what's that mean, Jeff? He's like, well,

1498
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: that means you tell a story in which there's a

1499
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: criminal and his name is Joe Exotic. That's basically they

1500
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: just set each other up like for the end result.

1501
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: And in all of this, in all of this, the

1502
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: man who loses is Joe Exotic because uh, he has

1503
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: said out loud many times that he would like to

1504
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:34,719
Speaker 1: kill Carol Baskin and um sets off tear Drop Tattoo

1505
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 1: to go and do it. And do you do we

1506
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 1: all believe that that actually happened or are fabric I

1507
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: think it happened. He used the money from the Thanksgiving

1508
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: freaking dinner that was like supposed to probably support cats

1509
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: whatever he has a pot left. I want to thank

1510
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 1: my community for coming to the ship to the Thanksgiving dinner.

1511
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Everybody put ten dollars in the kill Carol basketball, like

1512
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: fake crying. He was like, my family is dead. Have

1513
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: the stuff in first, but before you do, put a

1514
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: tender would bill on the bowl in order to pay

1515
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: someone to kill Carol basket And let's let's let's take

1516
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: an hour to talk about this point. We missed that

1517
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: that Joe Exotic burned down his own studio, uh, because

1518
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: he didn't want the footage from the reality show to

1519
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: come out pretty much incriminating and in many different things

1520
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: that showing who he really was. So he burned down

1521
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: the studio, burned down the studio with alligators in it.

1522
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: Why the why the alligators were in the same building

1523
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 1: as a studio, I have no idea. That was my

1524
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: favorite part is that there was even a sign on

1525
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: the building that was like, welcome to the Joe Exotic

1526
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: TV Studio and alligator alligator alligator room. That's my fair.

1527
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: He's like, they got my they got my alligators and

1528
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: my footage. I'm like, well, oh, you should have put

1529
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: those things in separate buildings. What are you talking about?

1530
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Just had also alligators sanctuary. Yeah, here's here's the server

1531
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: and here's the alligator room. Yeah, it's like they they

1532
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: got my collection of buffalo and my collection are rare

1533
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: scooters from like, why are those two things in the

1534
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: same place? No wonder. Anyway, there's a lot of reasons

1535
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: why we feel like Joe Exotic burned down to everybody

1536
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: agree that we feel like Joe Exoch burned down his

1537
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: own building. Absolutely, he had that conversation, He had that

1538
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 1: videotaped conversation with his lawyer, and the lawyers like you

1539
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: know what you need to do? Right? Yeah, He's like

1540
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: yep and walked out. Yeah, you know what I need

1541
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 1: to do is burned down my studio Alligator Sanctuary. Uh.

1542
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: So that there, the Kirkman producer has been filming a

1543
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: documentary all this time, and he's got all this incriminating

1544
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: footage of Joe, and he's got a contract that says

1545
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: I basically owned you. I own your internet show. And

1546
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: this freaks out the lawyer and freaks out Joe Exotic.

1547
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: So Joe basically sets up a deal where he goes

1548
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: and burns it down and then goes on TV like

1549
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't know who burned down my Alligator studio exhibit

1550
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm in ruin, and then convinces all these

1551
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: people to help him rebuild and then take for free

1552
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,600
Speaker 1: basically yeah, then shaves off a little money from the

1553
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: rebuild to pay tear Drop Tattoo to go kill Carol Baskin,

1554
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: which uh in a like a financially shrewd move. Nonetheless,

1555
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 1: he uh, this is the end of this is basically

1556
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: the end of Joe Exotic Right paid him three thousand dollars.

1557
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know where we go from here,

1558
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 1: but basically the FEDS catch up to this and easily,

1559
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 1: um take control of it because none of these people

1560
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. Um, Phil, I'll let you kind

1561
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: of take us to to where we're gonna get to

1562
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: an end here. What do we need to say now? Well,

1563
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's essentially Jeff Low and the strip club

1564
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: owner which I've already forgotten his name, even though we've

1565
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: already gone gone over it. Okay, they kind of team

1566
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: up to listen, let's throw let's throw Joe under the

1567
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: bus to make sure that that I don't get in

1568
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: trouble for beating my wife and you don't get in

1569
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 1: trouble for owning on the legal lemur and and stealing

1570
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: a hummer and creating a legal credit cards like uh,

1571
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: and so the you know, they get enough, they they

1572
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: they get Alan the tear drop man to kind of

1573
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: tell the the FEDS that like he's like, yeah, Joe

1574
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: gave me three thousand bucks. And I just I didn't

1575
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: go to Florida like I said I would. I ran

1576
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: away somewhere else. So Joe goes to prison and there

1577
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: and they're that free. Like none of them, at least

1578
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 1: for the time being, are kind of Scott free. Jeff

1579
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: Low is still presumably opening trying to open his new zoo,

1580
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: even though the documentary makes it clear that it thinks

1581
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 1: that he's just as guilty as Joe. There's a whole

1582
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: sequence where where I mean there's multiple witnesses that say

1583
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 1: that Jeff Low was was like helping Joe try to

1584
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: murder murder Carol. He's like looking up Google maps trying

1585
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: to see where she rides her bike during the day

1586
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: so that they can ambush her to to kill her.

1587
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: But Jeff, because he he cooperated with the FBI, is

1588
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: is you know, he's free. He's he's just he's he's

1589
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: opening a new zoo and uh and yeah, he's we

1590
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: find out that he's having a child with his wife, Lauren,

1591
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: and uh, and he has one of the one of

1592
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: the skeeviest sequences in the documentary. He's he's clearly he's

1593
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: clearly not not excited at all to be having a child.

1594
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: And he's like, as soon as Lauren has his baby,

1595
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: she's getting back in the gym, and I'm gonna screw

1596
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: our new nanny. Yeah. I've never seen anybody like tender

1597
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: a nanny before, but this is what this guy's doing. Like,

1598
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: you gotta tip your hat to the documentarians here, because

1599
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: they got These people are crazy. Who knows what they

1600
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: would say or not say, but somehow he got them

1601
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,600
Speaker 1: to say all the perfect things. I mean, I just

1602
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: can't imagine me coming to someone saying I'm filming a

1603
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: documentary and then you know, Jeff low is showing pictures

1604
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: of the nannies he hopes to have sex with it.

1605
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: Just it just seems so outlandish, some of the stuff

1606
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: they got on camera. I guess can't imagine. I don't

1607
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: know what to do with it. And I don't know

1608
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: if we want to talk about the end yet, but yeah,

1609
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 1: we should get there. We should get to the end.

1610
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: At the end, John, that John Rinky guy that lost

1611
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 1: his legs, he's like, why isn't Jeff getting in trouble?

1612
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: And he calls the FBI and they tell him that,

1613
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: like this whole thing is far from over. Yeah, yeah,

1614
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: but it's all getting shut down or shut down. Yeah.

1615
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't there's no way to know how to end

1616
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: this story. But I feel like Joe Joe. I mean,

1617
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 1: it's let's say, say Joe exout goes to jail. Of course, yes, Uh,

1618
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: there's a million things that he's done and not done

1619
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: to to to I would say, land himself in this

1620
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 1: situation he's in Uh, he's the one that goes to jail,

1621
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: which which it's kind of ironic, right, And we said

1622
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: in the very beginning, like he comments at the end

1623
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: of how weird it is and horrible it is and

1624
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: what life in a cage is like, which I feel

1625
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: like brings it home in a poetic way that this

1626
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: is just all of this is a commentary on you know,

1627
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 1: the type of person that would uh take on an

1628
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: endeavor like this and what you know, kind of the

1629
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 1: insanity that they have to hold. And then this one

1630
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: man who comes emblematic of the whole culture, the whole story.

1631
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: He's in a cage. Once out of the cage um

1632
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: and at the same time, all these animals that propped

1633
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: him up for so long remain there Like that to me,

1634
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: is the ending. Do you guys feel like there's other things, endings,

1635
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,839
Speaker 1: other versions of the narrative that need to be addressed

1636
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Seth No, I think that covers it. And I mean

1637
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,719
Speaker 1: I feel like it's only a matter of time before

1638
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: Jeff Low goes to jail for something or other. Yeah,

1639
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't like love the ending

1640
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: of this. I just feel like the um the sad

1641
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: part is there's like kind of no justice for all

1642
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: these animals in captivity, and that's I mean, they they

1643
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: try to make that point at the end of the documentary,

1644
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: like literally the last two minutes. Quickly it becomes just

1645
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,560
Speaker 1: like they're like, Okay, you've watched this documentary for the

1646
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 1: last seven episodes, but don't forget about the tigers. And

1647
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: they kind of they give you statistics and and they

1648
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: honestly like this this part kind of was like heartbreaking

1649
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: to me. They show some really old footage of Joe

1650
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 1: Exotic where he seems like a completely different person, where

1651
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: it's like when he first opened the zoo and he's

1652
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: talking like he his mind is in a completely different place.

1653
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: He honestly, I mean maybe I'm maybe I'm naive, but

1654
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 1: he seems it seems like his heart's in the right

1655
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: spot where he's like he's honestly trying to like do

1656
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: good for the Tigres, whether or not it's like the

1657
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: right way of going. But like he uh, I mean,

1658
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: they he becomes a different person just he's he's like

1659
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: warped by the fame and the money throughout the document

1660
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: that that the documentary and they kind of they the

1661
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: big kind of period at the end of the dock

1662
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: is like, don't forget about these animals. Um, like there's

1663
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,680
Speaker 1: more in captivity in America alone than there are in

1664
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: the wild. And uh, you know, I don't know. I

1665
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: thought it was poignant. I I kind of there was

1666
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: a part of me that was hoping that it would

1667
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: still come back around to Carol and it would be

1668
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: like and actually Carol did murder but that but that

1669
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: never happened. Um, but I don't know it was I mean,

1670
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,760
Speaker 1: it was entertaining a list of questions that I have

1671
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: here and I've kind of looked at like that we

1672
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 1: have that they are left unanswered Um, we already covered

1673
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Is this really Joe? We can

1674
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:42,600
Speaker 1: just answer yes or no. Is this really Joe singing voice? Yes?

1675
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, absolutely not. Is Jeff Low going to jail? Yes? Yes? Yeah. Uh.

1676
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 1: Did Joe really think he would become governor? Yes? For sure. Yeah.

1677
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: I think president was maybe a stretch, but I think

1678
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 1: he really thought that he had a chance for governor.

1679
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: Did carol Killer husband? Absolutely? Probably, allegedly probably. Would each

1680
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: of you take a picture with a baby tiger? No? No,

1681
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 1: not not the tigers? Yeah? Would you let me film

1682
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 1: you SlowMo jet ski? Uh? What's up with Howard Carol's husband? Yeah?

1683
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: Is he like a lawyer? Like? What's his deal? I

1684
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 1: have no idea. I got a noise of ship out

1685
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 1: of me. Yeah. He was just kind of a weird

1686
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: antagonist in the whole thing. So I just wrote down, like,

1687
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: what's up with Howard? Why? Um? You know, clearly he

1688
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: clearly has like no authority in his relationship, so I

1689
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: think he just tries to take it out. He tries

1690
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: to take it out on Joe Exotic Big Time Beta.

1691
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: What what about all the other animals at the zoo?

1692
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: What happens with the bears? And the wolves and all

1693
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: the other things that that that are kind of like

1694
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 1: side pieces to the tiger. I don't know. Hopefully they

1695
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: go to a good home. Okay, last last question that

1696
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: we need to answer. Who do the which character are

1697
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: you on BuzzFeed? And we do that too, We can

1698
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 1: do that too. What makes Carol better than Joe? I

1699
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 1: think she grew a conscious eventually, so now she's trying

1700
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: to do the right thing, not breeding baby tigers anymore.

1701
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: Like she's not raising tigers. I don't know. And this

1702
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 1: is listen, this is where this let me just I

1703
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of am prepared to do this thing. This is

1704
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: where this becomes analogous to this podcast and kind of

1705
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: like what happens within the animal rights world. Everybody kind

1706
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 1: of has their their angle or their view on wildlife

1707
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: or their view on animals. Everybody cares about them in

1708
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 1: their own way. Yeah, I got you. I think. I mean,

1709
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: just to bring it back around, I think it all

1710
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: comes down to whether or not you think Carol is

1711
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: a is a murderer, because I think I think we

1712
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: can't agree that her motivations as far as like big

1713
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: cats go, it's it's it's not I feel we think

1714
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 1: it's like mostly selfish. She she operates under the guys

1715
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: that she's saving these cats, and she claims that she

1716
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: obtains most of these cats from places where they would

1717
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 1: have otherwise been euthanized or or um uh you know,

1718
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 1: taken advantage of and so she keeps because they can't

1719
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: just be introduced back into the wild. She gives them

1720
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 1: a quote unquote like happy life until they die. Um.

1721
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 1: It's so it kind of depends on whether or not

1722
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: we believe her story and we think that and if

1723
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: we if we think that she killed her husband or not,

1724
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: because otherwise I think we can agree, like personality wise

1725
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 1: and ego wise that she's pretty similar to Doc Antel

1726
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: and Joe Exotic. I mean, she is still profiting and

1727
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: not paying her workers, and uh, you know, I guess

1728
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,560
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that like, well, you know,

1729
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: she needs to keep the lights on, so you know,

1730
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 1: she's got a profit in some way, but she's still

1731
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 1: operating a zoo and uh, you know, I don't know.

1732
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 1: I think I would argue that she is slightly better

1733
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: than than than Joe and Doc, but that's just that's

1734
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like we're kind of splitting hairs here. Well,

1735
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 1: that's the question. It's Carol better than Joe, So Seth,

1736
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 1: give it, give it to us. I don't think I

1737
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: I developed a strong like hatred for that woman throughout

1738
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: the whole series. I just she's just a slime ball

1739
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: dress up with her for Halloween. Yeah. I just think

1740
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: she's doing all the same ship that Joe is. You know.

1741
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: I think she's definitely covering covering up her husband's death. Um,

1742
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 1: I think she's doing like as far as the cats,

1743
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: I think she's doing the same thing. She's profiting. She

1744
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: using the cats to make money. Um, it wouldn't surprise

1745
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 1: me if she's actually breeding them in some sort of

1746
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: way where she was like totally against that, which they

1747
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 1: didn't they show like in her early early life with

1748
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: these cats, she was breathing them, Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

1749
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: they had traces a lot back to Don Lewis. But yeah,

1750
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: for sure, she definitely did that. Yeah. I don't think

1751
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: she's any better than Joe Ane in my opinion, what

1752
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: the same question, same question. Yeah, I agree with Seth.

1753
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: I think she's just as bad. Like okay, yeah, I mean, yeah,

1754
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: I obviously agree. I think like I said, I think

1755
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 1: it shows a lot about our intentions. Everybody on the

1756
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: like everybody in the outside, is expressing value for these animals,

1757
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: and and they're doing what they're doing behind closed doors

1758
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 1: to make sure that they profit and get what they

1759
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 1: get what they want from the situation. And each of

1760
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: them has created a narrative to kind of shield their intentions,

1761
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: even though their intentions kind of change over time. Like

1762
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Phil said in opposite directions, that changes over time, but

1763
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 1: they're both kind of corrupted by, you know, their own

1764
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: wants and desires um in different ways. So you know,

1765
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: I won't go too deep on it, because this is

1766
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 1: the craziest thing that ever was created. Uh, And it's

1767
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: like so I guess we'll close by. I'll close by

1768
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: saying on my own, my own thing, like I think, coronavirus, pandemic,

1769
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 1: tiger king, all of it like that there would it

1770
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been this popular in any other setting. Like

1771
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: it just hit it at a time where we were

1772
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 1: thirsty for distraction, thirsty for people crazier than us, and

1773
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 1: like just thirsty for Ah. This exactly this, even though

1774
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: you can't really define what it is. I agree, I don't.

1775
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was supposed to drop at a

1776
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 1: different time and they're like, Oh, everyone's at home right now,

1777
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Like now is the time to drop this ship on Netflix?

1778
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 1: I have no I hope they're that smart, but I

1779
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: mean they're they're there. Just is this just is a

1780
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 1: moment in time. And when I think back to the

1781
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: quarantine and the pandemic, I will just I will think

1782
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: of Tiger King and I don't I don't know what

1783
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 1: that means, and it's very confusing and I feel silly,

1784
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 1: but that's true. Well, I mean, here's the I mean,

1785
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Joe Exotic wanted nothing more than to be a celebrity,

1786
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:57,879
Speaker 1: and I feel like he's more because of this global pandemic.

1787
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: He's going to be more famous than never. Sure, he's

1788
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: it's very possible, probable he's going to die in prison.

1789
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, is this what he wanted all along?

1790
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 1: I don't know it would be. That's an open question. Well,

1791
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:16,679
Speaker 1: thank you everyone for for being a part of whatever

1792
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 1: this was. And I hope there's a season two. I

1793
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 1: really do. I feel I feel like there's more of

1794
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 1: the story. There's a layer of this story that we

1795
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 1: just didn't see that we should have seen. So let's

1796
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 1: cross our fingers but thank you everyone, and we will

1797
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: see you next week. Bye bye. So that's it. That's

1798
01:50:54,280 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: all Philip. I am worn out, buddy, worn out. I'm

1799
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: not sure what to say other than I'm glad we

1800
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: did that. Yes, I this. I think this was needed,

1801
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: this after after two weeks of quarantine casts and just

1802
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: two weeks of quarantine. And if you're working or in quarantine,

1803
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed, if you enjoyed these last two weeks.

1804
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: Ben Ben worked his ass up putting it together, and

1805
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 1: I think this is a good capper for the last

1806
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:27,719
Speaker 1: two weeks. We've got one more week of the quarantine

1807
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 1: cast coming up, but this is a good this is

1808
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 1: a fun episode. Yes, I have enjoyed doing the work.

1809
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed kind of corresponding with all of you out there. Um.

1810
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed telling hunting stories with my good friends and colleagues.

1811
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed all of it. Um. And when I could

1812
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 1: say that that everybody needs a distraction, like, hopefully this

1813
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 1: can be your distraction and it's also mine and I

1814
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: think fils as well, so because we can do this.

1815
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: But I think exactly what Phil said is true. The

1816
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Tiger teen documentary the whole story, the wildness of it,

1817
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:01,600
Speaker 1: the layers to it. All of that brings to the

1818
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: four that we all need some catharsist during this time,

1819
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 1: and I'm glad hopefully this podcast helps. Hopefully that seven

1820
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 1: hours of document documentary work UM by Eric Good and

1821
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 1: his crew helps. UM. It's all just about let's let's

1822
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:19,560
Speaker 1: remove ourselves from from whatever stress and anxiety we have

1823
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 1: and enjoy what is a uniquely American and a wild

1824
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: as hell story. And that's uh so. Thank you to

1825
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: everybody involved in making the documentary, Thanks to seth Annie

1826
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 1: and of course you feel for being a part of it.

1827
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: And we will see you next week for the final

1828
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 1: five days of the Quarantine cast here at th HC.

1829
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Thank you all again, have a good weekend, go outside,

1830
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: don't watch any more. Documentaries by The Hunting Collective with

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01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien is a part of the Meat Eater podcast network.

1832
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,599
Speaker 1: It is produced by Karne Schneider and engineered by Phil Taylor.

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01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,760
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