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Speaker 1: at it on a Friday, a mead October, the middle

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Speaker 1: We do this because four hours a night have been

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Speaker 1: the Overnight Show. We thank you for finding the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Tell a friend, Tell a friend. We need to grow

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Speaker 1: the podcast audience. And as I like to say, if

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Speaker 1: to catch up with a friend of mine by request. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've known this guy for many years, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: Jerome or seeing that headline sports, that's that's the legend.

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Speaker 1: Jerome Daranovitch, who has worked for the Atlanta Braves and

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Speaker 1: And Jerome, why don't we start. You were at Fox

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Speaker 1: television or to do radio. Wow, that's a good question. Ben.

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Speaker 1: I will say this because I had worked in television

426
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Speaker 1: my whole life. Every job I had in TV, you know,

427
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: I kind of started behind the scenes, and I knew

428
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in front of the camera. So

429
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, when I wasn't actually working, maybe on my

430
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: dinner hour, coming in on a day off, I would

431
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: I would work toward the eventual position of a reporter

432
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Speaker 1: on camera person. So I got practice time on my own.

433
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: So I built my way towards that. Radio. I was

434
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Speaker 1: kind of just thrown into this mix. After working in

435
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Speaker 1: television for well over twenty years, I go out to

436
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. I had never done radio before. What

437
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: a I opening, and just it blew me away. I'll

438
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: be honest with that. Those I mean, I was doing

439
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: the updates for a while, but when they put me

440
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: on and made me do the Baseball show and the

441
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: NFL Show on Saturday and Sunday, I didn't know what

442
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: I was doing. And then, you know, after four years

443
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: of I learned what you're supposed to do. And then actually,

444
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: when I moved back here a couple of years ago,

445
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Speaker 1: CBS Radio started a a all sports talk station, and

446
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Speaker 1: I allowed with Jamie Dukes, who was on NFL Network,

447
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: long time NFL player. We had a show. We had

448
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: a blast, But I knew what I was doing when

449
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: I got on radio here in Atlanta. I didn't have

450
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: a clue what I was doing in l A. And

451
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 1: there is a big, big difference. Now. I would not

452
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: be able to do the show I did in Denver

453
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: or the show I did here with the Hawks and Braves.

454
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: These pre and postgame shows, they're basically radio on TV.

455
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just talking, You're spewing facts, you're spewing knowledge.

456
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: You're you know, it's just your knowledge of the individual

457
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: players on the team that you cover how the team

458
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: is sparing. And it's basically sports talk radio on TV

459
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: as opposed to doing a three minute you know, Channel two,

460
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: you know at six o'clock that's all written out. You know.

461
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: I didn't use the prompter for fifteen years here because

462
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: everything was off the cuff, and that was basically what

463
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: I learned in radio. Radio was more challenging for me,

464
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: There's no question. It seems like it would be easier,

465
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: but it was. No I'll tell you. It was more

466
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Speaker 1: challenging for me because I didn't have a clue what

467
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Speaker 1: I was doing. Man. I leaned on guys like you

468
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: and watching you and j T two break and and

469
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Speaker 1: just marveling at how John Ireland could talk for twenty

470
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Speaker 1: five minutes NonStop and entertain you and uh, listening to

471
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: Bruno and Siciliano in the morning. That was good stuff.

472
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: That was That was an eye opening experience, wealth and

473
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: knowledge coming out of these guys. For me, yeah, it

474
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Speaker 1: is much. It's much of an and like I have

475
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Speaker 1: the complete opposite career drum I did television for I

476
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: think it was nine months at NBC. They flew me

477
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: back every month to do stuff at the NBC Sports Network,

478
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: which I think has gone away. I think or it

479
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: is going away. I don't even want I haven't kept

480
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: tracked there. So I just had a little taste of it,

481
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Speaker 1: and I thought like because I was just a correspondent,

482
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Speaker 1: they brought in to give some hot takes, so I

483
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: was only on for a segment here, like a segment there.

484
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: And so for me, I was like, this is great

485
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: because the radio show I do four hours a night

486
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: on the overnight and it's a much different, much different animal.

487
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Speaker 1: And the thing though, I will give you credit, I

488
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: mean when you're doing television, I mean there's so many

489
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Speaker 1: producers and directors and people around. As you know, in radio,

490
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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people around. It's it's pretty

491
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Speaker 1: much you know, you and a couple of people and

492
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Speaker 1: you got to figure it out. In television, I feel

493
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: like it's they direct you more on what they're looking for.

494
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: You know. Radio radio, you definitely have more control of

495
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: the show. It's the Ben Mallor show. It is your show,

496
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: and you know when you want to go to callers

497
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: or you want to stay on a specific topic. You

498
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: can stay on that topic for ten fifteen minutes if

499
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Speaker 1: you want. And in television, you know, we've got to

500
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Speaker 1: move off of the fact that the bullpen stinks after

501
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: a minute or two, or the bullpens do be great.

502
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: You know, I've gotta switch over to whatever is coming

503
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Speaker 1: up next. And they want to get their video in

504
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: and their graphics in, and yeah, they're moving you along.

505
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: And there's sometimes uh, sometimes they're not listening to you

506
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: and you want to move law it. There are a

507
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Speaker 1: lot of moving parts in television. There is no there

508
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: there is. There's a big difference between the two and

509
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, and they both have their pluses and minuses,

510
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: which is why they worked so well. Hand in hand.

511
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: You can get much more for what you're specifically looking

512
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Speaker 1: for over here in radio and as opposed to getting

513
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: a whole mishmash of a little bit of everything on TV. Yeah,

514
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Speaker 1: so there's I'm sure there's someone steam Droome. Maybe only

515
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: one person that wants to be the next Jerome Jerenovitch,

516
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: wants to follow in your footsteps and be the next

517
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, down the line host of the Braves and

518
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: the Hawks pre and postgame and halftime and all that stuff.

519
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: So what is the cheat code? Now that you're retired,

520
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: you can share this information, Jerome, you can give this out,

521
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: like what is the secret to doing good television? You know,

522
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: the secret to doing good television is, first of all,

523
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: you have to be informed, man, I mean you have

524
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Speaker 1: to pay attention. I can't tell you how many people

525
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: have come up with me the last fifteen years because

526
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: our our set, which is now bally Sport was Fox

527
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Sports South is outside the stadium, and um, you would

528
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: not believe how many people, Hey, my son's in college,

529
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: my daughter's in college, or hey I want to be

530
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: on TV. And it's like, look, not only do you

531
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: got to you know, pay your dues. It's rare when

532
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: you're just thrown onto a situation where're gonna work for

533
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: an NBA or an NHL or Major League baseball team

534
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: without any type of experience. You have to know and

535
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: love the sport, all right. You know, we had a girl,

536
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: not gonna give her a name, and we had a girl,

537
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago and we all

538
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: now it's out. You'd like to say that Hank Aaron

539
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: is the true home run. That's that's how that's our

540
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: way of seeing Barry Bonds cheated. And that's our way

541
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: of saying, Hank, we love you and we know you

542
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: did it the right way. And this girl, actually she

543
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: heard it so many times she actually thought Hank is

544
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: the was the leader, all time leader. At home runs

545
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: were like, uh no, and you're working for the brains

546
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: to come on, you know. I mean, so you have

547
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: to know, you have to know the strategies of the sport,

548
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: and you have to really work. I mean, there there's

549
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: no substitute for hard work. Um. You see, every time

550
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: you turn on a college football game, you're gonna see

551
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: another different, pretty blonde girl on the sidelines. But if

552
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: they don't have personality along with intelligence, you're not going

553
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: to see him more than two or three times. You

554
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: have to be able to convey what you know, either

555
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: in a cocite in a concise way or an entertaining way,

556
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: and hopefully in both. And that's why you're so successful

557
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: what you do, because you could you can take a

558
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: position on a subject, you can inform your viewer and

559
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: you can get them to either change their mind or

560
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: at least see your point of view why they're right

561
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: or why they're wrong. And you can't do that if

562
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. Well, yeah, that's

563
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: a great advice. And also we see that a lot

564
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: with you mentioned the sideline reporter, but also like former

565
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: players a lot of times, you know, and you worked

566
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of guys, and so I'm sure we're good.

567
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: So we're not, but but some of those guys come in.

568
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: In my experience, I didn't work with as many ex

569
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: athletes as you did. But over the years at Fox

570
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: Sports Radio, we've had guys come in and some of

571
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 1: the guys would come in and just think because they

572
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, they just turn on the mic

573
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: and they can just talk, and it's it's not how

574
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: that works, right, I mean, you gotta, you gotta. I

575
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: worked with sixteen different Braves as analysts on the pre

576
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: and postgame show, everybody from John Smoltz and and Jeff Francoeur,

577
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: who are both tremendous at what they do. I'll tell

578
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: you a funny story. Uh been my first or second

579
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: year here when I came back to Atlanta, I'm doing

580
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: Braves and we were still doing the pregame show on

581
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: the field right in front of the dugout and small

582
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: it was small to his last year with the Braves. Well,

583
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: he blows out his shoulder and uh, he's not gonna

584
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: pitch for the rest of the season. But you know,

585
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: as a lot of the guys do, they they still

586
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: dressed in uniform and he's hanging out in the dugout.

587
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: On Sundays he would come out and host co host

588
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: the show with me and either Ron gann or Brian

589
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's and he would do it in full uniform. It

590
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: was I mean, we're in a sport coat and there's

591
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: Smolty hat home whites. It was hilarious. And one time

592
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: it was pouring rain, so they turned the camera round

593
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: and Ron gant By, we get into the dugout and uh,

594
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: to get all three of us in the shot, Smolty

595
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: had to do kind of like the one cheek sneak

596
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: on the edge of the bench and the waters running

597
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: off the dugout and his left leg and left spike

598
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: are just getting soaking wet. And I looked over at

599
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: him and I said, you know, you may be a

600
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, but in broadcasting you're the rookie,

601
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: so you have to get wet. We're staying dry, laughing

602
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: but I knew the very first day that he hosted

603
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: with US. I said, this man is going to have

604
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: a career in sports broadcasting and he is going to

605
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: go down as one of the all time great analysts

606
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: because John just, first of all, he can talk all right.

607
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: He's got a great sense of humor, and he's got

608
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: a great way to explain what you're seeing or what

609
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: you're about to see and make it so you understand.

610
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a baseball connoisseur or a

611
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: baseball expert to understand what Smoltz is telling you. He

612
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: is really really good, which is why he's the main

613
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: analyst and Fox Now and you know on MLB Network,

614
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: he's really really really good. But on the other side,

615
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: and I won't keep you their names, there were two guys.

616
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: One was so he was so nervous it was like

617
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: broadcast news. He's sweating bullets left and right, you could

618
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: barely talk. And another guy was so nervous, he so quiet,

619
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to sit there and go speak. Uh, you know,

620
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: And they're both great guys. They were very, very good players,

621
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: but once the red light went on, they were they

622
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: were horrible flops with any any blooper that. Yeah, I

623
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: have so many mistakes that I've made or just horrific

624
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: moments in radio over there is a good thing. We're

625
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: on radio, I'm in the middle of the night, but

626
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: you're on TV. Any was there any blooper that you

627
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: remember that you look back, You're like, I can't believe

628
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: that happened and that was unbelievably embarrassing or hilarious or

629
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: any of that. Well, we've we've had our moments. There's

630
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: no question. I will tell you that my most embarrassing

631
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: moment in my entire career is because nobody had ever

632
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: heard of her at the time. And when they when

633
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: they started CNN International, this was during the CNN days,

634
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: they would make us rundown. So we're doing our job.

635
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing headline sports along there twice an hour, you know,

636
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: once an hour or whatever. So you know, it's the weekend.

637
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Speaker 1: There's nine million events going on, and we had to

638
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: report on all of them. So, I mean, you're getting

639
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: just blasted. You got all the baseball games going on

640
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: because it's all college football's happening. There's uh, you know,

641
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the other sports, the NBA and the NHR crank. You

642
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: just got a million gazillion things. And at CNN, you know,

643
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you didn't just cover the SEC or just the Big

644
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: ten or just your local school. You have to keep

645
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: an eye and all this stuff, so you're over inundated

646
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: with information. And then they're making us literally run down

647
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: a different flight of stairs into a different studio and

648
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: do like a two minute update on what's going on

649
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: in world sports. Like I knew what the hell was

650
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: going on in the bundesh Liga or in Formula one racing.

651
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: I did have time for them, so I ran down

652
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: there and there was some ski event going on I

653
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: don't know, and somebody just ripped, literally ripping and read.

654
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: One of these news producers go, while I'm on the air,

655
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: shows this piece of paper in me because an American

656
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: had won a downy old race in some Olympic preliminary thing.

657
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: And I looked at that. I've never heard this person.

658
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: I go a street instead of peekaboo. I looked at

659
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: the way she spelled that made what is this person?

660
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know? I called the picaboy for the rest

661
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: of my life. You're going, hey, how's Picasso doing on

662
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: the slope. I think it's one of those embarrassing moments

663
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: that at two or three years ago. We are hosting

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Speaker 1: a postgame show Brian Jordan, and you could finance on

665
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: YouTube somewhere. I'm sure it lives. A matter of fact,

666
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: they just showed it on the air on mL Beating

667
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Network the other day. Right in the middle of this

668
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: postgame show, this uh drunk jumps up on the on

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Speaker 1: the rail behind us. He's just waving a Braves jersey.

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00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: And one of our over zealous security guards, big heavy, round,

671
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: kind of fat Obert looking guy comes running behind us,

672
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: but he's not supposed to be on this on this

673
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Speaker 1: set area, and he runs behind us to shove the

674
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Speaker 1: guy off, and he trips over one of the electrical

675
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: cables back there, and there's a full face scorpion and

676
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: you see him go down and his two feet come

677
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: up in between Brian and I almost set our head

678
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, hey, we're having an issue here,

679
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: let's get you downstairs. The Brian snicker and when they

680
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: came back and everybody shows that over and over because

681
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: the poor guy gets up, looks right in the camera,

682
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: walks away like nothing happened. It was so embarrassing for

683
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: him and Brian and I kept their composure. And then

684
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: during the during the manager's press conference, they're showing us

685
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: that on replay and he's standing there watching it. When

686
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: we came back, we were laughing so hard and couldn't talk.

687
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: We just couldn't talk. I think, I mean, I think

688
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I've seen that. I'm sure. Yeah, it's one of those things.

689
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: It's just it's gonna live in infamy, and to this

690
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: day it's one of my biggest regrets because I should

691
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: have just I should have just thought and said, hey,

692
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: to quote that America Cinema classic Tommy Boy. That's gonna

693
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: leave a mark. But should I do it? Now? Whatever?

694
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: That's great, that's great. Now you know there's those bloopers

695
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: are all over. What are you gonna do? No, it's

696
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: good listen. That's make people laugh when I when I

697
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: look at in the NBA at JaVale McGee, who's bounced

698
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: around right, there's the video clip up that Shack did

699
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: on Shock and a Fool when JaVale Riggie was running

700
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: the wrong way, when everyone else in the court was

701
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: running running one direction and he was running the other.

702
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: I laugh every time I see that. It's the funniest

703
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: thing that I know in basketball, I think that there's

704
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: one guy out of ten guys on the court that's

705
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: running the wrong way. Uh, it's right. But you brought

706
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: up the headline sports CNN Headline News. Now, when I

707
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: met you, this was a big deal. Drum. I didn't

708
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: know what you look like. I had no idea, but

709
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: I knew the name, and I knew the name for

710
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: those young punks. Explain how big a reach you you

711
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: had at CNN Headline News. That was a very popular,

712
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: very popular outlet back in the days before social media,

713
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: right when people needed scores and but and whatnot. Yeah,

714
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: you know here, first of all, let me tell you,

715
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: let me explain why, and then I got a really

716
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: interesting story for you. Well, this was before cell phones,

717
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: This was before you had all this internet access. Uh,

718
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: this was before you had the crawl on the bottom

719
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: of your TV screen. As a matter of fact, CNN

720
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: Headline News was the first channel that had the crawl.

721
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: They had it exclusively for two years. And that was

722
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: a nightmare for us because when we first started at

723
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: these idiots and news had no idea about sports. So

724
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: on college football Saturday, they were literally putting every college

725
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: football score on there. So they were putting like an

726
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: AI scores on there, so you'd be waiting for the

727
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio state update you wouldn't see for five hours

728
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: because they're so in like Pomona's like, come on, just

729
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: take the main thing. So uh So, here's the deal.

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00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: If you were a sports fan, or more importantly, a

731
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: sports better, the only way you were going to get

732
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: updates on your teams if you weren't watching them on TV,

733
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: if they were out of market teams, you had to

734
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: wait until either CNN Sports Tonight or Sports Center at

735
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. So when at seven o'clock local time and

736
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: your team started, the only way to get an up

737
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: there until eleven was to watch CNN Headline Sports at

738
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: twenty after and fifty after the hour, because every thirty

739
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: minutes we updated the scores, so unbeknownst to us at

740
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: the time, everybody watched. Now, I always say I was

741
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: wildly popular with teenage and twenty year old boys and gamblers,

742
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: but I everywhere I would tell no, we weren't on camera.

743
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: You've just heard your own you're red about CNN Headlines spots,

744
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: and you know there's a story to that under itself,

745
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: but you know. I was at the airport one day

746
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: and I gave the guy the credit card. You looked

747
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: at my credit card, he goes, you're going to Atlanta. Saidyeah, goes,

748
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: You're not that CNN guy, are you. And that's when

749
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: I started to realize, Wow, this is kind of cool.

750
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: But it never dawned on me until the great Mario

751
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Lemieu had a for years had a charity golf tournament

752
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: because he does such great work with children's cancer research

753
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: at the Children's Pittsburgh Hospital. And I, through a friend

754
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: after actually Andy Evan's light, got me involved with it.

755
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: I went up and I was the at the first tea.

756
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: I was announcing all the players, and I mean he

757
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: had everybody there. There's Gretty from you, there's Jordan and Barkley,

758
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: uh Elway and Marino, you name it, nothing but Hall

759
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: of Famers and all stars. And I'm standing there and

760
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: at the first team I'm giving every player this big introduction,

761
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I look over the yeah, but the

762
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, m v P, the Big Band and the

763
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: Big Red Machine, greatest catch up all time, Johnny Bench.

764
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: Everyone was clapping. Johnny Bench is putting his ball on

765
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: his tea and he looks up. He goes, that's what

766
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: you look like, and I'm like, yeah, you know. And

767
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: then next thing I know, him and Nick Monacani are

768
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: coming over and talking to me. And then after everyone's done,

769
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: all these guys are coming over talking to me. And

770
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking, oh my god, I am an

771
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: awe of every athlete in this room. And these guys

772
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: are all coming up because they all know who each

773
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: other are and what they look like. Nobody knew what

774
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I looked like, and and that was like, that was

775
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: just It's one thing for the guy at Macy's or

776
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: a Delta Airlines to ask who you are. It's a

777
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: whole another thing when you got guys like Mark May

778
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: hanging out when you having a beer, and and and

779
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: John Elway, and when I when I went to Denver

780
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: because I got to know Elway on that thing. When

781
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: I went to Denver my very first Nuggets game. I'm

782
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: doing sidelines after the pregame show. It's the home opener.

783
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: They killed the house lights. They put a spotlight on

784
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: John Elway. He's up there, you know, in in one

785
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: of those baby Bloom Nuggets uniform. You know, he's waving

786
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: and you know, he's got at Denver and they're going crazy,

787
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: you know. And then when they do the anthem, next thing,

788
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: you know that the lights come up, always coming across

789
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: the court, and I'm standing in the corner where the

790
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: sideline guys are. I'm just standing up there and he's

791
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: coming with that big grin, you know, He's got this

792
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: big smile on his face, and I'm thinking to myself,

793
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm looking at literally turning my head left and right,

794
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: looking over my shoulder. Who's he looking at. He comes

795
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: right over and gives me this big handshake and says,

796
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: welcome to Denver. And he look, I didn't know him

797
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: that well for him to do that for me. Everybody

798
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: in that arena saw me and said, I don't know

799
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: who that guy is doing sidelines, but if Elway likes them,

800
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: I like him. And he that was a huge boost

801
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: for me to start my career in Denver those two years.

802
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: To be accepted by ol Way that way, and that

803
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: made just you know, I did that for fourteen and

804
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: a half years, and that led the three jobs got

805
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: me the job at Fox Sports RA Radio, helped get

806
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: me the job in Denver, and then it got me

807
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: the h the job here doing the radio station at

808
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: sports Stock Radio here in Atlanta as well. I mean,

809
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: people knew the made and it was it was pretty amazing.

810
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: It was. It was a lot of fun, but you know,

811
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: it was on Q tone. Unlike you guys in Fox

812
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Sports Radio, you want to go a little longer in

813
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: a segment. You go a little longer, you know, and

814
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: then you hit your commercial break. But at CNN, at

815
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: exactly you had exactly one minute forty two seconds to

816
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: a minute forty nine to wrap up your show, and

817
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: at one forty nine it cut you off. And you

818
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: did not want to hear at your room, you know,

819
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: and then go to youth. That would sound terrible. And

820
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go too long. That was like

821
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: that was the Cardinal City. So I kept going short,

822
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: and finally I figured I got to get to it

823
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: one forty two, and I was hitting it about one

824
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: thirty five, so I just went drone you and I

825
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: just dragged it out to like eight seconds too. I

826
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: get to a minute forty five and when I when

827
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: it aired, I came out to the newsroom and everybody

828
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: was laughing, and I thought, if this got a reaction

829
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: out of all these jamokes and it was men and

830
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: women in there is the news room, there's one of

831
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: sports department. I said, I'm just gonna keep doing that,

832
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: and I kept doing it. My boss called me in

833
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: the next day and he goes, what are you doing

834
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm just trying to add a little

835
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: spice and he goes, don't stop, and um, you know,

836
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: I stayed with it. And oh, I mean, I mean

837
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: the guys I worked with were great guys, very good guys.

838
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: But their names were Tom West, and Ron Hyde and

839
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: and Mark McKay and and there was just I mean,

840
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: I had a funky sounding name and I just between

841
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: that and the delivery, it's stuck. And it paid off

842
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: for him in my career. Yeah, and you had not

843
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: just the athletes. You have people at the White House.

844
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: I mean they were are leaders of countries that were

845
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean everyone was white Airports. I remember CNN headline

846
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: news that I'd been traveling in in the hotel, hotels, anywhere,

847
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: airport lounges. I mean, everyone was watching everybody, every you know,

848
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: it was I don't know why the the geniuses that

849
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: took over that that we're screwed it up because it

850
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: was basically minute newscasts in a row, you know, every

851
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: thirty minutes would be a brand new newscast. So if

852
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: you missed your you know, if you missed NBC News

853
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: at seven or ABC at seven thirty, at nine o'clock,

854
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: you just started over. I supposed that these hour longer

855
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: talk shows you know on Fox right or CNN, it's MSNBC,

856
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: it's it was a It was a niche format, but

857
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: it was highly successful. And I don't know why they

858
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: ever broke away from that, but to your point, so

859
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: many people watched it was unbelievable. I'll never forget. One

860
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: day I picked up you know, I'm just reading through

861
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: my Sports Illustrated, and there's an article on Sparky. He

862
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: was courting of his career, Sparky Anderson, and they were

863
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: asking I'm the reporter asked him in the article, and

864
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: they said, well, Sparky, what do you do at your

865
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: age when you know, when you're on the road, I mean,

866
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: you've seen it all, You've been everywhere. What do you do?

867
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: He goes, I just go back to my hotel room

868
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: and I could see ann headline news on all evening long,

869
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: and I watched every one of those sportscasts every thirty minutes.

870
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh my god, Parkie Anderson sticking around

871
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: just to hear you know, that's great. Yeah. So when

872
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: you at CNN like you because you're on it's weird.

873
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: As you said, you're on television, but you're not like that,

874
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: nobody sees you. So do you have to get dressed

875
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: up like TV people have to get dressed up? Or

876
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: can you just go in there and just kind of

877
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: lounge around because at CNN that they requires like a

878
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: dress code at CNN or that, well, they didn't have

879
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: a dress code back then, but eventually when they started

880
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: the international stuff, they were making the headline sports anchors

881
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: double dips, so we had to go in and suit

882
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: and tie them. But on the weekends, when you know,

883
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: when we weren't doing anything on camera, when it was

884
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: just the headline sports, we which go in and a

885
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: polo shirt and in jeans that you weren't allowed to

886
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: wear shorts, even though most guys wanted to, but we

887
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: just you know, it was crazy. We had a good

888
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: crew back then at the old CNN days because we

889
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: had Dan Patrick and Gary Miller were our weekend guys,

890
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: and uh, we had Fred Hickman and the legendary Nick

891
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: Charles were on Monday through Friday. Guys, we we just

892
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, hand a storm and Dan Hicks came and

893
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: they were like our number three team. We had a

894
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: lot of talented individuals, you Bob Lorenz and Uh, it

895
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: was I was never gonna get on camera there because

896
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: those people ahead of the event, Clini, they were all

897
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: so talented. And I was like, you know, that was

898
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: the bottom of the totem pool and uh, and that's

899
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: what led to the radio gig, and then the radio

900
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: gig led to getting a chance back on camera and uh,

901
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: you were asking about Denver. You know, in hindsight, UM,

902
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I met good people. I gained a tremendous amount of

903
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: experience doing those pre and postgame shows. Um, it was

904
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: a very difficult situation for me, but it was a

905
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: great transitional I mean, if I had to do it

906
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: all over again, I would have yes, and maybe UH

907
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: tried to manipulate my bosses into trying to do things

908
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: the right way, but that was a no win situation.

909
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: But it led to a position in Atlanta. So um,

910
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: the people that there were two people that were above

911
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: me there that were complete morons and what I'm still

912
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: there and that's a shame because the people that still

913
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: worked there that I know still complained about them fifteen

914
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: sixteen years later. But you know, things are what they are.

915
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all had bad bosses in our life.

916
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: We've all had great bosses in our life. And and

917
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: then you know, it was it is what it is.

918
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean, CNN was a great run. Uh, Denver was fun.

919
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got to experience the city of Denver

920
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountains for two years. You know that that

921
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. UM. One great part of that ben

922
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite baseball players of all times, Goose Gossip.

923
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: So Mark P. Knudson, who had who played American leaguball

924
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: mostly for the Brew was at the time UM organized

925
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: a charity hardball game at the Triple A Stadium in

926
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: Colorado Springs. So you know, he was on our show

927
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: every once in a while. So you know, Mark asked

928
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: me and maybe four or five members of the media

929
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: and Denver if he wanted to come down and playing

930
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: since you're what, you know, I'm thinking it's gonna be softball.

931
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: It's hardball. And there is a bevy of former Major

932
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: leaguers and major league umpires that live in that area

933
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: because they all love to hunt. So I go down there,

934
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: and first of all, he got all the All Star

935
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: uniforms that were left over from the All Star Game

936
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: in Houston the year before. So we're wearing major league,

937
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, uniforms. It was pretty cool. And we're sitting

938
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: there with all of these players, and I knew Goose

939
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: was coming, so I brought I got a Yankees Gossipe jersey,

940
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: so I brought him down to sign it, and he

941
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: was genuinely touched. We're sitting there just bs and over

942
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: his time with the Pirates. He said he never wanted

943
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: to leave Pittsburgh. He said that the day that he

944
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: saw Mind agreed to the Yankees, him and his wife

945
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: sat in his in his pickup truck in the parking

946
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: a lot of three River Stadium and cried, that's so much.

947
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: He loved living in Western Pa and playing for the Pirates,

948
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: but they couldn't turn the money down. They had to

949
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: go to New York. And so we're sitting there, we're

950
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: talking and next thing you know, we're taking v P

951
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: and I go to take VP and Gossage goes. I

952
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: got this good steps in there and I'm like, oh

953
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: my god, I get the hit off goose gossage. So

954
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: because where do you want it? So I put, like,

955
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, belt high fastball. So he throws one in there.

956
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: I don't even see it, and I'm like, come on, man,

957
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: every one of these guys could still throw an any

958
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: as as well as they could when they were in

959
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: their hated They just couldn't throw a morning any. So

960
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: he loves one in there and I turned on it

961
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: and I actually ripped it, but it was filed. So

962
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: he looked at me. He gives me like a little nod,

963
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: like god, I wasn't bad, right. He dusted me high

964
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: and inside, right underneath the chin. To me, it was

965
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: the greatest sporting the moment of my life. I got

966
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: through the lat The next pitch bind you throw so

967
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: fast I don't even know. I think it was back

968
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: in his glove by the time I was done swinging

969
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: the bat. He threw it so damn hard. But that

970
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: was just one. I mean to get to clay. But

971
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: all those guys, there were a lot of major leaders

972
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: out there. That was a lot of fun. Well, when

973
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: you when you talk, you are Western Pennsylvania. Did you

974
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: ever and I don't know what you did before CNN.

975
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: I know you started in Pennsylvania. Did you ever consider

976
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: going back and did you ever have the opportunity to

977
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: work in Pittsburgh like with the Pirates or the Penguins, Steve?

978
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: I never did. And you know, for year, all those

979
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: years at CNN, every time a job opening in Pittsburgh,

980
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, appeared, I applied, And I mean I was begging.

981
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: I begged to get back there for ten to twelve years.

982
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: I just could not catch your breaking because I wasn't

983
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: on camera on a regular basis at CNN. I just

984
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: didn't have a resume real good enough for TV at

985
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: the time. And by the time and opening occurred after

986
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: I had been back here for a while in Atlanta,

987
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: it just wasn't gonna work out. The money wasn't what

988
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: it was going to be, and it just it would

989
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: have been it would have been almost like a demotion

990
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: for me for less pay and a different position. And

991
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, I even thought about it at the time,

992
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: but I was just beginning to date my now second wife,

993
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: and she was settled in here, her kids were in

994
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: school here, and I'm like, I can't take less money

995
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: to go to Pittsburgh, and my my parents had already

996
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: moved out. They had relocated. My brother lives in Texas,

997
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: and they relocated to San Antonio with him. And I'm like, look,

998
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: I got a handful of relatives and a really good,

999
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: hardcore group of friends there, but my parents aren't there anymore.

1000
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: So it's not really you know, it'll always be home.

1001
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: But it wasn't home because they weren't there. And I

1002
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm not gonna ask this woman to relocate

1003
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: for me. She settled unsettled, so it would have been

1004
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: it would have been a labor of love for me.

1005
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: You know. I wouldn't have cared what the income was

1006
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: because it would have been steelers pirates payments in penn

1007
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: State pit you know. But never, never, never really came.

1008
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: I did start in Western Pa and Erie, Pennsylvania. I

1009
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: grew up in a small town fair all about halfway

1010
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: right on the Ohio Pennsylvania line. My my great aunt

1011
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: lived on State Line Road, a single lane blacktop road.

1012
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: She was on Pennsylvania. You walked across the street or

1013
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: neighboring r in Ohio and uh, my uncle's would get

1014
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: drunk at Christmas time at my parents house, and you'd

1015
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: started arguing Steelers Browns because it was crazy. It was

1016
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: just crazy. Um, so I'm living in Erie. Let me

1017
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: tell you one quick story about Aree, which is awesome.

1018
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: Nine two, I finally get on camera in Eurie p Ad.

1019
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: It started the year before behind the scenes, um, weekend sports.

1020
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: Erie was just getting cable TV at the time. Ere

1021
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: He was kind of behind the times, still probably is.

1022
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: And I go in there on the weekends. You know,

1023
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: most weekends sportscasts are like three and a half minutes long, right,

1024
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: maybe four Not where I was, they are we are

1025
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: news department was so understaffed. They're like, Jerome, how much

1026
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: can you feel? I said, give me eight minutes. I

1027
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: was recording everything. I mean, I'm showing highlights from the

1028
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Islanders Rangers. I'm showing what he didn't matter if it

1029
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: was on table that day. I was cutting down thirty

1030
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: seconds of each game. And you know, so people loved it.

1031
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: It was like a mini sports center. And after about

1032
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: three and a half weeks, Meadville, PA, this tiny little

1033
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania town where the great uh Sharon Sharon Stone,

1034
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: the actresses from It's maybe fifteen thousand people. But they

1035
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: had a heck of a sports banquet for their high school.

1036
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: They would bring in Pirates and Indians and Steelers and Browns.

1037
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: It was a big, big deal. So Jim Leland just

1038
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: gets hired to be the Pirates manager, and the Monday

1039
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: through Friday guy goes, Hey, go down there and try

1040
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: to get an interview with Leland. I'll keep in mind, Ben,

1041
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: this is before the internet. The only way we knew

1042
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: who Jim Leland, so here's the third base coach for

1043
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: the White Sox, was to look at that little black

1044
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: and white photo in the team media guide we had.

1045
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: And we didn't even have the American League, so I

1046
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: had no idea what he looked like. So I go

1047
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: down there and the guy at the front door, they're

1048
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: handing out a baseball to everybody to get autographed. Star

1049
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: Joel was there, Andre Thornton, people like that, and it

1050
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: was mostly for the kids, you know, but they're giving

1051
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: a baseball to everybody, and the guy pulls me aside.

1052
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: He was, Hey, I love watching you. I know you're

1053
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: the new guy in town, but you're the only guy

1054
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: showing NBA highlights. I love the NBA. I'm gonna do

1055
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: you a favor. Go in the kitchen. You're gonna be surprised,

1056
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: trust me. And I'm thinking, what he was, just go

1057
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. So I go in the kitchen. Meanwhile,

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00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: everybody's out there. You know, I got a quick interview

1059
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: with star Joel and Leland and it wasn't there. So

1060
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: I go in the kitchen and you know, next thing

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00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: I know, the back door opens up. It's sort of

1062
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: like a scene out of good Fellas. These three big

1063
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: gumbas come in and right behind him Joe DiMaggio. Whoa.

1064
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my lord. They had a guest speaker,

1065
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: but nobody knew who it was. It's Joe Demaggio. So

1066
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: I tell him my cameraman, flick your late on. I go,

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00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: Mr DiMaggio, Can I get a couple of questions? I

1068
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: was so nervous. Then I called him Mr DiMaggio and

1069
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: every question So I asked them five questions and about

1070
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: three questions in one of the you know those big

1071
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: guys security guys, all right, wrap it up. So I

1072
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: asked him one more care you know something. I don't

1073
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: know what it was, and then he goes, okay, last one,

1074
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: and I nodded to him I said sure, and about

1075
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: three or four questions in rumor, you know, kind of

1076
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: spilled out. So all of a sudden, these little kids

1077
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: start flooding through those doors that the waiters come in

1078
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: and out of, and they're at the bottom of the

1079
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: camera shot where you would see like your score crawl.

1080
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: Now all you see are pens and baseballs from these

1081
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: little hands shooting up into the bottom of the screen,

1082
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: and Joe just starts grabbing him and he's signing him

1083
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: as he's answering my final two questions, which I thought

1084
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: was really cool, And after the fifth question, I thanked

1085
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: him for his time, told him what an honor it

1086
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: was was, And after my cameraman, you know, clicked off

1087
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: on the recording, I said, Mr Demasha, and he turned around.

1088
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: I said, look, I know this is completely unprofessional, but

1089
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: we're not in a ballpark and you're Joe Tomasa. Would

1090
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: you sign my ball too? He goes absolutely, and the

1091
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: autographed my ball, and I said, I know I'm not

1092
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: really supposed to do this, but my goodness, Ben, it

1093
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: was I got that ball in too safe right now.

1094
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: I probably only asked for maybe three autographs of my

1095
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: entire career. Josha that's an all time, that's an all

1096
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: That's a wonderful story. All right, we gotta wrap this up.

1097
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: And you're we're retired now, Drew. I can't believe you're

1098
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: you're retired? You know. Yeah, it's amazing to me. So

1099
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: are you gonna Are you gonna do the traditional retirement

1100
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: thing and get like a Winnebago and travel around the country? Like,

1101
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: have you thought about what's next for you? You know? Uh?

1102
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: People keep pestering me to do a podcast, but I'm like,

1103
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: why would I do a podcast when everybody listens to

1104
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: Ben mallor no one will listen to me? So I

1105
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: want to take a break. I am gonna fill in

1106
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: this Monday on one of the local stations. One of

1107
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: my buddies is off doing something, so they asked me

1108
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: to just do morning Drive on Monday. I said, all right,

1109
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: I'll do it because the Braves in the playoffs and

1110
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: Hawks are getting going. But I don't want to do

1111
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: a whole lot. I want to kick back. Um, we're

1112
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: doing three weeks in Europe next year, and if my

1113
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: wife really likes it in a year, once the final

1114
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: Kick gets out of high school, we may actually move

1115
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 1: to Europe. For a summer anywhere from four to six months.

1116
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna tour all six parts out in Utah. The

1117
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: National Parks were big into that. I gotta hit back

1118
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: to wine Kenny. We got a lot of traveling. We're

1119
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna do a lot of traveling. We're just gonna take

1120
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: the rest of this year and kind of kick back

1121
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: and then we're we got like six trips already planned

1122
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: for next year. So it's gonna be most you know, hey, look,

1123
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: as you know, when you work in sports broadcasting out

1124
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: of Charac it's radio and TV. You're working nights and weekends.

1125
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: And you know I did that for forty years. So

1126
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, every time the guys in the neighbor got

1127
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: together play poker, or they wanted to go to a ballgame,

1128
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: or you know the one you know, two or three

1129
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: couples wanted to go just go get dinner or go

1130
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: to a concert. At the last minute, I always had

1131
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: to say no. And uh, I'm just gonna try to

1132
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: make up for lost time. That's what I'm gonna do.

1133
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: Kick I'm gonna complain about my Steelers on Sunday. I'm

1134
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: gonna can't I can't wait for Crosby to get back

1135
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: out on the ice, and I'm gonna watch the Braves

1136
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: have a nice run here in the playoffs, and hopefully

1137
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: Trey Young will be very entertaining in the winter, because

1138
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: I think the Hawks are gonna be good again. So

1139
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be a fan. Man, Now you're gonna

1140
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: be a fan. Nice. Well, Hey, if you end up

1141
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: at in California, I'm sure you've been to Sequoia. That's

1142
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: my one of my favorite spots from the giant forest

1143
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: which almost burned up a couple of months ago. I

1144
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: think it was a couple of months ago, maybe a

1145
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: month ago. I saw that they put the giant foil

1146
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: around the bottom of the that that is an amazing plaisodia.

1147
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: You end up there, yeah, give me, give me a

1148
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: buzz in the we'll get already together. We'll get the

1149
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: old game together. We'll have Yeah, Elie is gonna be

1150
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: one of our ops. We were supposed to be out

1151
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: there for the L. S u u c l A game.

1152
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: My uh my stepson loves L. S u. Four of

1153
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: his first cousins all went to L. S Ue is

1154
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: uncle and uncle living Betton Rouge. So they have become

1155
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: our adopted SEC team, but work, and that was his

1156
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: first week of college. He goes locally here to one

1157
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: of the colleges, and he just couldn't. He couldn't take

1158
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: off the first two days of college to fly out

1159
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: to l A. Sou l A is definitely, uh, definitely

1160
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: on the list. So when I do, I'll give your

1161
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: heads up because I would love to see all you

1162
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: guys a goat, no question about that. Awesome. Thank you, Jerome.

1163
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man, thanks for doing this. You're the man.

1164
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: Ben