WEBVTT - Could the Clintons Go to Prison?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks, it's Tuesday, January thirteenth, the day that

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<v Speaker 1>former President Bill Clinton was supposed to show up in

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<v Speaker 1>Congress and give some testimony. Well he didn't show up.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent a letter instead, and with that, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of Amy and Tjes. It's a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a long letter, but he could have just put four

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<v Speaker 1>words on there, kiss my entire ass.

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<v Speaker 2>I wondered where the fourth one was coming. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>you went with entire all right now. Instead, he alongside

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, Hillary Clinton, she was set to testify tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>He was supposed to testify today, and I say supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>They were subpoenaed to testify today and tomorrow. They sent

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<v Speaker 2>a joint letter. It was eight pages long, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like, well, they ended the game of chicken,

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<v Speaker 2>because this has been a standoff that's been going on

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<v Speaker 2>for months now, and they basically put it very clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>do what you need to do. So we're doing what

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<v Speaker 2>we need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you a game of chicken. These are some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big chickens they sent into this fight for them, because

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<v Speaker 1>these letters came from some really high profile and high

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<v Speaker 1>powered attorneys, written on their behalf and laying out all

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<v Speaker 1>the arguments for why they're not legally required to show up.

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<v Speaker 1>If they don't show up, you're subpoenaed by Congress and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't show up. That is a crime, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can be held in criminal contempt and throw the Clintons

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<v Speaker 1>in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Even the Clintons even addressed the possibility of imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are just saying this is their time to

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<v Speaker 2>take a stand. By the way, the last time do

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<v Speaker 2>you know the last time a contempt of Congress charge

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<v Speaker 2>was successfully prosecuted where someone actually was charged, convicted, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually punished Watergate. We're talking nineteen seventy four g. Gordon Liddy.

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<v Speaker 2>That is how rare this is, That is how rarely

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<v Speaker 2>it's used. It might be threatened more than it should be.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they go forward with this, and James Comer,

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<v Speaker 2>Republican from Kentucky, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, says

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<v Speaker 2>that he is going to file contempt of Congress charges

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<v Speaker 2>against the Clintons next week.

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<v Speaker 1>If if this committee has to vote on these contempt charges,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it has to go to the full House,

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<v Speaker 1>and all kinds of stuff and steps have to take

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<v Speaker 1>place before we get to that. Can you imagine we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to it. They were supposed to. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he was supposed to testify today. She was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>testify tomorrow. This was still supposed to be behind closed doors,

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<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't supposed to be necessarily a public spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>Their argument is everyone else that you subpoened as a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this, you waved their requirement to show up

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<v Speaker 1>and testify, So why are we being treated differently?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct? They said, seven of are the eight people subpoenaed,

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<v Speaker 2>were allowed to just submit written testimony, basically just saying

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<v Speaker 2>in written form what they knew and when they knew

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<v Speaker 2>it and how they knew it. And the Clintons say

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<v Speaker 2>they have already given the limited information they have to Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is nothing more for them to give. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no more information for them to share. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a political game.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, anybody, no matter what side of the aisel you're on,

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<v Speaker 1>you can understand that, yes, this is clearly what we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at, and that one of the funniest was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not funny, it's whoever's representing Hillary Clinton, Like why

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<v Speaker 1>is she even here?

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<v Speaker 3>She ain't got nothing to do with nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was like well, I'm sorry, can someone explain

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<v Speaker 2>to me why I'm involved in this in any way? Shape?

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<v Speaker 1>She was not, And there are no accusations about, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, any wrongdoing, any crime on his part and ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And also she's never just been attached.

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<v Speaker 2>To the guys, not even a little bit. And Comer

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<v Speaker 2>even said today, no one is accusing Bill Clinton of anything,

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<v Speaker 2>any wrongdoing. We just have questions. I thought you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>funny something else that was funny. We'll get into the

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<v Speaker 2>letter and the contents, because, as you might imagine, it

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<v Speaker 2>was very well crafted. But i letter. They even suggested,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you're going to hold a press conference. I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you're going to have an empty chair to show

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<v Speaker 2>where I should have been sitting today. Sure enough, Representative Comer,

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<v Speaker 2>when speaking to reporters just a short time ago, had

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<v Speaker 2>a chair left empty to call attention to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that former President Clinton was not there. So it was funny.

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<v Speaker 2>He even called him on it, and they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's a game. Who knows it better than

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Clinton, everything that's come at him over the past

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<v Speaker 1>forty fifty years. So, oh my goodness, this guy, he's

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<v Speaker 1>seen it all. But this is a show. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a spectacle. Now, how far are they going to take

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and try to pursue Now, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>DOJ right now that would probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Happily because foul charge. That is the last step. So

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<v Speaker 2>if that passes the panel, the full House votes to

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<v Speaker 2>go forward with these contempt of Congress charges, then the

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<v Speaker 2>DOJ has to make the decision to prosecute. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we all know that latter part of the is almost

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<v Speaker 2>a sure thing. They got this thing ready to go,

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<v Speaker 2>like they are ready to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Like those letters for the Kennedy say, BONDI.

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<v Speaker 2>Is salivating what like what a legacy for her waiting

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecute Bill Clinton for contempt of Congress?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the Clintons, the Clintons, both of them, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be something. But yes, you remember, folks, Yes, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein files are out, I guess now.

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<v Speaker 2>Ish not really, there's still millions of files left to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, somehow they'll have to redact before they can release.

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<v Speaker 2>And then then if anything looks bad for the administration

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<v Speaker 2>or anyone they don't want it to look bad for,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll just say it's a false But they're trickling bit

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<v Speaker 2>of information that isn't true.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trickling. Yes, dump at a time, I should probably

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<v Speaker 1>say is a better way to put it. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been coming out. But when the subpoenas were

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<v Speaker 1>issued for the Clintons and others, it was before the

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<v Speaker 1>files had come out, it was before Congress had made

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<v Speaker 1>all this agree, so everybody was still after the files

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<v Speaker 1>and information at the time, so they subpoened all these folks.

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<v Speaker 1>The Clintons were supposed to go in what October, but

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<v Speaker 1>then they had a funeral, so they kept pushing it down.

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<v Speaker 1>N They claimed there have been five, almost six months

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<v Speaker 1>worth of back and forth, so what is the point

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<v Speaker 1>of continuing this. So letter that was directed to Chairman

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<v Speaker 1>Comer about this subpoena starts pretty we can go back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth the first five or so paragraphs. We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>give it to you how they wrote it, to dear Chairman.

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<v Speaker 2>Coma, we want to take a moment, given everything, to

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<v Speaker 2>address you directly. This past year has seen our government

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<v Speaker 2>engage in unprecedented acts, including against our own citizens. People

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<v Speaker 2>have been seized by masked federal agents from their homes,

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<v Speaker 2>their workplaces, and the streets of their communities. Students and

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<v Speaker 2>scientists with visas permitting them to study and work here,

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<v Speaker 2>have been deported without due process. The people who laid

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<v Speaker 2>sea to the US capital have been pardoned and called heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>Agencies vital to the country's national security have been dismantled. Universities,

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<v Speaker 2>media companies, law firms have been subjected to threats to

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<v Speaker 2>their funding, access, and licensing. He goes on and on

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<v Speaker 2>and on, talking about even most recently and searingly, an

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<v Speaker 2>ICE agent killed an unarmed mother only days ago. So

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<v Speaker 2>they lay all this out to say this, every person

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<v Speaker 2>has to decide when they have seen or had enough

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<v Speaker 2>and are ready to fight for this country, its principles,

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<v Speaker 2>and its people, no matter. The consequence for us now

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<v Speaker 2>is that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where it is in the letter if

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<v Speaker 1>you have it in front of you, but they it's

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<v Speaker 1>You can isolate the line where they're making a point

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<v Speaker 1>that they are contributing to disrupting the Republican and the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump agenda because you all are redirecting your time and

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<v Speaker 1>you're focusing your energy towards this stupid chase of the Clintons.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, if we can distract you from

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<v Speaker 1>we're screwing up the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool. I thought that was an interesting line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was trying to find it. Oh, here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this. Indeed, bringing the Republican's cruel agenda to

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<v Speaker 2>a standstill while you work harder to pass a contempt

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<v Speaker 2>charge against us than you have done on your investigation

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<v Speaker 2>this past year would be our contribution to fighting the madness.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, they're saying, if we can actually be the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why you hold your cruel agenda that they disagree with, deportations, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA, and instead focus on trying to charge us,

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<v Speaker 2>will take it, will be will fall on that sword

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<v Speaker 2>to disrupt your agenda. They did say that. They said,

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<v Speaker 2>we have tried to give you the little information we have.

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<v Speaker 2>We have done so because mister Epstein's crimes were horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>If the government didn't do all it could to investigate

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<v Speaker 2>and prosecute these crimes for whatever reason, that should be

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<v Speaker 2>the focus of your work to learn why and to

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<v Speaker 2>prevent that from happening. Ever again, they said, instead, you

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<v Speaker 2>have forced the victims to relive their pain experiences while

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<v Speaker 2>doing little to give them and everybody else what's deserved,

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<v Speaker 2>truth and justice. There was no plausible explanation for what

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<v Speaker 2>you are doing other than partisan politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is anyone arguing that point. Do we really

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<v Speaker 1>think Hillary Clinton is about to move, is going to

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<v Speaker 1>shake heaven and earth over the Epstein investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that there are people who believe Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton knows more than he's saying, and Comer even exploited

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<v Speaker 2>that by saying that Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House

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<v Speaker 2>during Bill Clinton's presidency seventeen times. I believe he said

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<v Speaker 2>that today in today's presser, and so yes, they continue

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<v Speaker 2>to fan the flames that Bill Clinton. And look, there

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<v Speaker 2>are plenty of pictures. Bill Clinton talked about those pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>He said they were done nothing more than to embarrass him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was pictured with Epstein specifically before he was

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<v Speaker 2>accused of any of the wrongdoing. It was an era

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<v Speaker 2>before all of the allegations. That is a point to

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<v Speaker 2>be made, and that is a point Bill Clinton has made.

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<v Speaker 1>That is actually true. I don't know if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>a year off the top of your head, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was somewhere around two thousand when the last I think interaction,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least those two were known to have been together.

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<v Speaker 1>Early two thousands, Say was it twenty What year was

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<v Speaker 1>his charge in Florida?

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and seven. Seven that was Epstein's charge was

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, we know what is anyone arguing that this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't what this is? Well, folks, that is part of

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<v Speaker 1>the letter. Yes, we just shared there from the Clintons personally,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll also share some pretty strong language from the

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<v Speaker 1>letter that the attorneys sent. Also, we will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>just how much of a penalty the Clintons could be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at, including jail time, if they are found in

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<v Speaker 1>contempt of Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here, welcome back everyone, as we discuss this new

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<v Speaker 2>potential contempt of Congress charge that could be levied against

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<v Speaker 2>both Bill and Hillary Clinton. Today, Bill Clinton was subpoena

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<v Speaker 2>to address the House Oversight Committee about what he knows

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<v Speaker 2>about Jeffrey Epstein to answer questions from congressmen and women.

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<v Speaker 2>He chose not to show up, as did Hillary Clinton.

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<v Speaker 2>She was subpoenaed to show up tomorrow, and both of

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<v Speaker 2>them they sent a letter. They sent a personal letter

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<v Speaker 2>from their letter ahead from William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary

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<v Speaker 2>Rodham Clinton directed specifically to Chairman James Comer, and they

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<v Speaker 2>expressed and told Comer why they would not be attending

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<v Speaker 2>this hearing today and tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's bs first of all, is what they argue.

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<v Speaker 1>We're bring treated differently, like we were just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a moment ago from the other witnesses that you allow

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<v Speaker 1>to just wave showing up.

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<v Speaker 3>The lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't know these law firms, but you know they're

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<v Speaker 1>the type that have two names in it Williams and Connolly,

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<v Speaker 1>Jenner and Block LP. You know, you know, big time folks. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they wrote a letter on bout and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that lays out a lot of the constitutional arguments,

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<v Speaker 1>but Robes this is the paragraph that stands out, saying

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<v Speaker 1>to comer as you know, absent a valid purpose. And

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<v Speaker 1>in light of the fact that President and Secretary Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>have already shared more information with the committee voluntarily than

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<v Speaker 1>the committee could obtain via the compulsory process, it is

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<v Speaker 1>clear the subpoenas themselves and any subsequent attempt to enforce

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<v Speaker 1>them are nothing more than a ployed to attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>embarrass political rivals. As President Trump has directed, Wow, plaina's day,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you all the following instruction, Yes, and they have.

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<v Speaker 1>They cite down below the exact time where the President

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<v Speaker 1>has a quote in which he says Epstein was more

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<v Speaker 1>tied to Democrats. Name them, call them out, embarrass them,

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<v Speaker 1>is what it's says.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I thought this was a well strong and

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<v Speaker 2>power language by Bill and Hillary Clinton. In their decision

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<v Speaker 2>to not testify despite subpoena. They said, you will say

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<v Speaker 2>it is not our decision to make, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>made it. Now you have to make yours. That game

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<v Speaker 2>of chicken right there, they are looking Comer and the

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<v Speaker 2>Committee in the face and saying, we are prepared to

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<v Speaker 2>make our case to your forty five committee members, and

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<v Speaker 2>if need be more more importantly, we will also defend

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves in the public arena and ensure this country knows

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you are doing and why you are doing so.

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<v Speaker 1>Your move patna exactly You're a move. But some will

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<v Speaker 1>suggest I mean, he could have immediately gone forward. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he can wait till tomorrow to see if Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton is going to show up. At least that gives

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<v Speaker 1>him he can save some face. At least, ah, give

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<v Speaker 1>it a shot and wait, and then he can say

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to do it next week to still try

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<v Speaker 1>to give time to work, something he.

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<v Speaker 2>Has already said next week. He's already given himself some leeway.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>He's looking for a political way out in where he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like he just lost to the Clinton.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what do you think though? At this point he

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<v Speaker 2>said that he is going to pursue contempt of Congress

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<v Speaker 2>charge charges? How does he backpuddle off of that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was used very strong language today, and yes, this

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<v Speaker 2>letter from Bill and Hillary used very strong language right back,

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<v Speaker 2>like bring it on, what's good?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the numbers game?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>How many folks in Congress are going to do what

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<v Speaker 1>Trump tells them to do, is that you better vote

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<v Speaker 1>for this contempt? How many on that panel are going

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<v Speaker 1>through step and say this is silly, we don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing this. Possibly a Republican to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't think a single Democrat is

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<v Speaker 1>going to vote to hold these two in contempt.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But now it becomes what do our constituents want us

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<v Speaker 1>to do? What is MAGA going to be upset about?

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<v Speaker 1>And so it becomes this kind of game. Now, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen? This is okay, we shall see more

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<v Speaker 1>high drama way too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but it should be noted if all of those

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<v Speaker 2>things do happen, if the vote happens, if if the

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<v Speaker 2>full House votes yep, and then and if that happens, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we know what Pam BONDI would do. The Clintons are

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<v Speaker 2>facing a fine up to one hundred thousand dollars each

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<v Speaker 2>they can cover, and one year imprisonment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's gonna be tough. That's gonna be tough.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hard to imagine happening. It's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a former president and a former first Lady and a

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<v Speaker 2>former senator.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is not It's not happening now, I would argue,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's gonna have to cam or he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to a lot of folks. He's trying to throw

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<v Speaker 1>it in jail. Call me, excuse me. I'm not It's no

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<v Speaker 1>new reason to make this prediction.

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<v Speaker 3>This is madness.

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<v Speaker 2>Mad Yes, and this is one of those moments where

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<v Speaker 2>you actually you're you're watching it happen, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>this is history happening, but it seems surreal. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>where it all ends no one knows.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's get on the record. What's gonna happen next year.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is he will bring it.

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<v Speaker 3>To a vote and there won't be the votes and

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<v Speaker 3>won't be the votes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what. If I had to make a prediction, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be my prediction. Okay, what is your prediction?

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<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say until I see what Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton's gonna do tomorrow. Right, folks, We always appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>spending some time with us. This is another developing story today,

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<v Speaker 1>so we want to hop on and give you the update.

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<v Speaker 1>We are keeping an eye on a couple of other

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<v Speaker 1>things that today, including a trial. So please top right

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<v Speaker 3>Right to you.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, we appreciate you spending some time with

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<v Speaker 1>us on TJ Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy Robot.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to y'all soon,