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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey thereon Welcome Back.

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Speaker 3: It's The Book of Joe Podcast with Me, Tom Berducci

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Speaker 3: and of course Joe Madden and Joe was a momentous

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Speaker 3: day in humankind.

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Speaker 2: It took fifty three years, but what.

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Speaker 3: Pink Floyd called the Dark Side of the Moon, we

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Speaker 3: now have seen Artemis forty minutes of touring the Dark

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Speaker 3: Side of the Moon out of pocket with Houston on

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Speaker 3: their own. I can only imagine what that must have

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Speaker 3: been like with no radio communication. But yeah, Pink Floyd

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Speaker 3: called it first, but we finally got there. The Dark

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Speaker 3: Side of the Moon has been seen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw the photographs in the New York Post today.

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Speaker 4: Missed it last would actually occurred. But it is pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: And you're right, it's got to be unsettling, right, I

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Speaker 4: mean everybody, not just probably the least unsettling for the

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Speaker 4: actual astronauts because they're fine. It's everybody else that are

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Speaker 4: trying to stay in contact with them. Probably we freaked

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Speaker 4: out a little bit more than they do. They're professionals,

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Speaker 4: they're trained to do it. Then they put their eyeballs

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Speaker 4: on it for the first time. That's you know, they

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Speaker 4: talk about may all your surrealisms come true. That's the

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Speaker 4: prime example right there.

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Speaker 3: You sound a little different this week, Joe. Are you

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Speaker 3: up in Artemis as well, Claiose.

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Speaker 4: If you look out the window, it looks like I'm

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Speaker 4: in Artemis at artist We can't we don't have video,

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Speaker 4: but I am in my RV on Beverly Beach, right

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Speaker 4: near Flagler Beach by the way. We had a great

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Speaker 4: dinner last night at a place called The Next Door.

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Speaker 4: I walk in there and not obviously but never fails.

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Speaker 4: The GM there is from Chicago, so we had a

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Speaker 4: great conversation. Bought us a nice bottle of duck corn

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Speaker 4: cab when he was there. My brother and his wife, Mary,

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Speaker 4: cousin Joe and Sally, his wife, and of course my nephew.

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Speaker 4: It's a beautiful setting. But to have you the RV

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Speaker 4: this this particular place that's called Beverly Beach RB Resort.

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Speaker 4: You literally parked the nose of your vehicle right on

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Speaker 4: the water, by the way.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing you remember distinctly when Dark Side of the

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Speaker 3: Moon came out Pink Floyd's album nineteen seventy three, a

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Speaker 3: concept album. I don't even know if such things are

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Speaker 3: made anymore, Joe, But back in the seventies, that was

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Speaker 2: You big Dark Side of the Moon fan.

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Speaker 4: Yes, huge Pink Floyd fan. How could you not be

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Speaker 4: a huge Pink Floyd fan? And for these astronauts to

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Speaker 4: when my thought was, may all your surrealisms come true?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would think that the people on the ground,

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Speaker 4: more nervous about that downtime than the actual astronauts. I

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Speaker 4: would imagine they were so excited about what they were saying.

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Speaker 4: For the first time for anybody had to exceed any

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Speaker 4: incredible that we're able to do these kind of things.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of neat that we're going back, turning back

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Speaker 4: I think was sixty nine. Right when the landing occurred,

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Speaker 4: I was I think I was sitting with my pop

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Speaker 4: What have Been Johnny Carson. I'm not sure what time

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Speaker 3: Well, we need to talk about a baseball team that

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Speaker 3: seems to be lost, if you will, on the dark

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Speaker 3: side of baseball's moon, and that is the Boston Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: I know, Joe, everybody likes to say it's early, it's early,

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Speaker 3: Now we know the season is one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: In fact, in the history of baseball, in full seasons,

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Speaker 2: So listen, you.

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Speaker 3: Can tell me that the ninety one Twins, the seventy

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Speaker 3: The season far from over for the Red Sox. But

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Speaker 3: Early indications are right now, the Boston Red Sox are

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was paying. We're all shocked by that.

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Speaker 4: just they're just not playing up to the standards that

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Speaker 4: Rays of yesteryear. I remember that and we've talked about it.

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Speaker 4: Best one in seven or two and I think it

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Speaker 4: I thought, you know, we're actually pretty good eventually. That's

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Speaker 4: that trip we were playing Chicago. It's if you remember

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Speaker 4: don't even know if that was or not, but yes,

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Speaker 4: it happens, man, and I've been part of some dramatic

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Speaker 4: faithful night in history of Major League Baseball. So stuff

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. Listen early on. They've actually hit okay.

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Speaker 2: Mayor Durban, all under two hundred.

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Speaker 3: My concern with Boston Joe would be that I look

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Speaker 3: I don't see those aircraft carriers. I don't see the

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Speaker 3: He's hitting leadoff. So I think there's some questions about

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Speaker 3: He's a cy young winner waiting to happen. But you

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Speaker 2: But I don't see a lot of those elite players

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Speaker 5: Isn't that intention though? I mean they're of the ILK.

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Speaker 4: they like it this way. I don't know exactly what's

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Speaker 4: really ascertain a whole lot from that. However, you do

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Speaker 4: see some stuff, Like I said, the biggest thing, I

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Speaker 4: through some just bad execution offensively and defensively. Totally, but

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Speaker 5: I think they prefer the ability to.

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Speaker 4: Tink on a daily basis and attempt to gain a

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Speaker 3: Well, you know how things work in Boston too, you know,

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Speaker 3: and a loss of the padres on Sunday. It's important

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Speaker 2: Because that can build so quickly. In Boston.

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Speaker 3: One of the guys who I think has been miscast

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Speaker 3: Is he a middle of the order run producer? I

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like he was really plunked, and if you

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Speaker 3: he plays in the Division, has been for years. Sees

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Speaker 3: I do think Joe, that sometimes you have to cast

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Speaker 2: But if that month is.

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Speaker 3: But I would say, Joe, I don't want to get

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Speaker 4: But the Jogi segets you can get late early something

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 3: The Trump is open, mister Madden Trump A cannon Field

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Speaker 3: Pretty cool. And how about this about the new roof

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Speaker 4: clubhouse was great, clubhouse attendants were great. When Westy ran

436
00:20:58,358 --> 00:21:00,398
Speaker 4: it and Guy Gallagher ran it on the other.

437
00:21:00,278 --> 00:21:00,958
Speaker 5: Side was great.

438
00:21:01,438 --> 00:21:05,758
Speaker 4: We had a lot of little infrastructure stuff that was

439
00:21:05,958 --> 00:21:08,838
Speaker 4: above average. It really was, but the building itself not

440
00:21:08,998 --> 00:21:11,558
Speaker 4: so cool. And again, the fans, in spite of the

441
00:21:11,558 --> 00:21:13,398
Speaker 4: fact that there's many in their rabbit.

442
00:21:13,558 --> 00:21:15,078
Speaker 5: It just didn't show up all the time.

443
00:21:15,118 --> 00:21:17,798
Speaker 4: We clinched the Al East in front of ten thousand

444
00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:20,678
Speaker 4: fans one night, one year, and that's that's kind of discouraging.

445
00:21:20,758 --> 00:21:23,518
Speaker 4: There's so many different things to evaluate with this. I

446
00:21:23,638 --> 00:21:26,438
Speaker 4: happened to watch the beginning last night or yesterday the

447
00:21:26,478 --> 00:21:28,758
Speaker 4: new scoreboard. Oh my god, it's like wraps around that

448
00:21:28,838 --> 00:21:32,518
Speaker 4: right field area looks pretty good, and the surface itself

449
00:21:32,558 --> 00:21:35,718
Speaker 4: looked pretty spectacular. However, I mean, that's like a three

450
00:21:35,798 --> 00:21:37,998
Speaker 4: year deal on this, right. I mean, I'm just wondering

451
00:21:38,038 --> 00:21:41,278
Speaker 4: that they spent a lot of money, and from what

452
00:21:41,278 --> 00:21:43,358
Speaker 4: I understand, it's going to be torn down eventually when

453
00:21:43,358 --> 00:21:46,838
Speaker 4: the new ballpark is built, and that's kind of crazy.

454
00:21:46,878 --> 00:21:49,398
Speaker 4: But I do believe a lot of insurance money was

455
00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:53,078
Speaker 4: involved in the remake there after the hurricane, so maybe

456
00:21:53,118 --> 00:21:54,438
Speaker 4: it's going to be a push for the city.

457
00:21:54,478 --> 00:21:55,918
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know enough.

458
00:21:56,958 --> 00:22:00,078
Speaker 4: I was a fan from the perspective of home court advantage,

459
00:22:00,558 --> 00:22:03,638
Speaker 4: the roof of ball shit, the ceiling, and you know,

460
00:22:03,958 --> 00:22:06,318
Speaker 4: of course we took advantage of it sometimes sometimes the

461
00:22:06,318 --> 00:22:09,318
Speaker 4: other team did. I just preferred neutral in a sense

462
00:22:09,318 --> 00:22:12,038
Speaker 4: where if you played better baseball that night. No quirkiness

463
00:22:12,118 --> 00:22:13,398
Speaker 4: was going to get in the way of you winning

464
00:22:13,518 --> 00:22:17,598
Speaker 4: or losing. That kind of a thing, So long answer, Yes,

465
00:22:17,638 --> 00:22:20,198
Speaker 4: it was a great home court advantage, but from the

466
00:22:20,598 --> 00:22:24,558
Speaker 4: as a baseball purist perspective, there was a lot that

467
00:22:24,598 --> 00:22:25,638
Speaker 4: I did not like about it.

468
00:22:26,398 --> 00:22:28,878
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you mentioned that new scoreboard. There's a new

469
00:22:28,958 --> 00:22:33,278
Speaker 3: ribbon board around the ballpark as well, the lighting, a

470
00:22:33,318 --> 00:22:37,238
Speaker 3: lot of renovations both clubhouses, by the way, the home

471
00:22:37,318 --> 00:22:41,238
Speaker 3: end visiting clubhouses have been fully renovated, larger gym area,

472
00:22:41,398 --> 00:22:45,398
Speaker 3: larger lockers. Believe it or not, the place is always

473
00:22:45,678 --> 00:22:48,358
Speaker 3: done well in the opinion of players as far as

474
00:22:48,398 --> 00:22:51,718
Speaker 3: how they're treated in the both home and visiting clubhouses,

475
00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:52,958
Speaker 3: the amenities there.

476
00:22:53,078 --> 00:22:55,238
Speaker 2: The staff always ranks very high.

477
00:22:55,278 --> 00:22:57,558
Speaker 3: So now they have the facilities to match the services

478
00:22:57,598 --> 00:23:00,878
Speaker 3: that they've had. They also added, I think it's the

479
00:23:00,918 --> 00:23:03,878
Speaker 3: first I've heard of a ballpark having on a speaker

480
00:23:04,038 --> 00:23:10,558
Speaker 3: easy speakeasy featuring cocktails, craft cocktails, and a lounge. And

481
00:23:10,718 --> 00:23:14,358
Speaker 3: also you probably would like this, Joe. The speakeasy has

482
00:23:14,398 --> 00:23:20,518
Speaker 3: a new specialty candy room with nostalgic curated treats for

483
00:23:20,718 --> 00:23:23,518
Speaker 3: fans of all ages. So if you like your toutsy

484
00:23:23,638 --> 00:23:26,718
Speaker 3: rolls and your Mary Jane's. I guess that's that's where

485
00:23:26,718 --> 00:23:27,838
Speaker 3: you hang out, you.

486
00:23:27,838 --> 00:23:29,838
Speaker 5: Said Mary Jane, I was going to go right there. Yes.

487
00:23:30,198 --> 00:23:32,158
Speaker 4: And also was it the Beaman's gum? What was all

488
00:23:32,198 --> 00:23:34,158
Speaker 4: the other different little tree kind of stuff?

489
00:23:34,358 --> 00:23:36,438
Speaker 5: Milk dues? There was a big milk dud guy.

490
00:23:36,598 --> 00:23:38,318
Speaker 4: I mean even the Three musketar I used to love

491
00:23:38,718 --> 00:23:44,158
Speaker 4: frozen Three Musketeers, frozen Milky Ways, frozen snicker bars. Up

492
00:23:44,198 --> 00:23:46,878
Speaker 4: at third base, we always put those candy bars in

493
00:23:46,958 --> 00:23:49,998
Speaker 4: the ice cream freezer, so you just reach in there

494
00:23:50,038 --> 00:23:52,598
Speaker 4: and get a frozen candy boy. Now, those to me

495
00:23:52,638 --> 00:23:55,238
Speaker 4: are still the best. I love it when you almost

496
00:23:55,318 --> 00:23:57,718
Speaker 4: broke your teeth eating them. That didn't quite do it.

497
00:23:57,758 --> 00:24:00,918
Speaker 4: But frozen candy bars from the past didn't even have

498
00:24:00,958 --> 00:24:04,638
Speaker 4: to be on a stick, not even It's just those treesome.

499
00:24:05,518 --> 00:24:08,078
Speaker 4: It's not part of my diet these days, however.

500
00:24:08,158 --> 00:24:08,638
Speaker 5: It's like the.

501
00:24:09,078 --> 00:24:12,118
Speaker 4: Frozen chocolate covered banana with and some peanuts on it.

502
00:24:12,678 --> 00:24:14,118
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's anything. I used to go

503
00:24:14,158 --> 00:24:15,838
Speaker 4: down to the I used to ride my bike through

504
00:24:16,118 --> 00:24:19,838
Speaker 4: Newport Beach and they had a frozen chocolate covered banana

505
00:24:19,918 --> 00:24:22,278
Speaker 4: stand and so I start up in Long Beach and

506
00:24:22,278 --> 00:24:23,998
Speaker 4: that's a pretty good ride. But I felt like I

507
00:24:24,038 --> 00:24:25,798
Speaker 4: earned it because I also had a drive back. But

508
00:24:26,278 --> 00:24:30,238
Speaker 4: those are the kind of amenities not really expensive in

509
00:24:30,278 --> 00:24:33,038
Speaker 4: a sense, actually kind of normal to me. This still

510
00:24:33,038 --> 00:24:35,798
Speaker 4: would be the most if you start freezing candy bars

511
00:24:35,798 --> 00:24:38,678
Speaker 4: and ballparks and selling them that way, then you'd really

512
00:24:38,758 --> 00:24:39,318
Speaker 4: arrived for me.

513
00:24:40,398 --> 00:24:43,558
Speaker 3: Dude, you can't be telling me that you like Mary Jane's.

514
00:24:43,878 --> 00:24:45,798
Speaker 3: I mean, I go back to when I was a kid.

515
00:24:45,958 --> 00:24:48,238
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I don't know how. When I was

516
00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:50,998
Speaker 3: a kid, of course, you'd go trick or treating, you'd

517
00:24:50,998 --> 00:24:51,478
Speaker 3: come home.

518
00:24:51,598 --> 00:24:53,638
Speaker 2: I've got older brothers and younger brothers and.

519
00:24:53,598 --> 00:24:56,998
Speaker 3: Sisters, and we used to trade candies, right and my

520
00:24:57,118 --> 00:25:01,078
Speaker 3: older ones, taking advantage of you know, birth order, would

521
00:25:01,158 --> 00:25:03,878
Speaker 3: dump all their Mary Janes on me and like grab

522
00:25:04,038 --> 00:25:08,078
Speaker 3: my Reese's peanut butter cups. That's like the worst trade

523
00:25:08,158 --> 00:25:12,678
Speaker 3: since Brock for Brigolio. So that's that's that's Mary James

524
00:25:12,718 --> 00:25:15,038
Speaker 3: for me is like, I don't want these, Why are

525
00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:16,078
Speaker 3: you sticking them with me?

526
00:25:16,158 --> 00:25:17,878
Speaker 2: And you're telling me you actually like them?

527
00:25:18,238 --> 00:25:20,118
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I just you just put them in your

528
00:25:20,158 --> 00:25:22,558
Speaker 4: mouth to let them kind of dissolve, no question. Now,

529
00:25:22,638 --> 00:25:25,198
Speaker 4: lesten go back to the Reese's stuff, of course, but

530
00:25:25,878 --> 00:25:28,558
Speaker 4: recently you've been reading all about the fact that Hershey's

531
00:25:28,958 --> 00:25:31,718
Speaker 4: bringing back I guess the original recipes. One of the

532
00:25:31,758 --> 00:25:36,998
Speaker 4: Reese family members from the past was complaining about the

533
00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:40,998
Speaker 4: fact that they were kind of deluding the recipe and

534
00:25:41,198 --> 00:25:43,758
Speaker 4: the result wasn't nearly as good of a product. And

535
00:25:43,798 --> 00:25:45,958
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, they're kind of reverting back.

536
00:25:45,998 --> 00:25:48,518
Speaker 4: I guess, so that's a good thing. But yes, that's

537
00:25:48,558 --> 00:25:52,678
Speaker 4: another thing. Frozen peanut butter cups, tasty cakes, frozen tasty cakes.

538
00:25:52,918 --> 00:25:54,918
Speaker 4: If you really want to make all this stuff taste better,

539
00:25:54,958 --> 00:25:56,038
Speaker 4: put it in the freezer first.

540
00:25:56,838 --> 00:25:57,998
Speaker 2: Sounds like good advice.

541
00:25:58,078 --> 00:25:58,558
Speaker 5: I like that.

542
00:25:59,238 --> 00:26:02,598
Speaker 3: Let's move on to injuries, Joe, because it again it's

543
00:26:02,638 --> 00:26:06,038
Speaker 3: early in the season, but man, I'm especially looking at

544
00:26:06,078 --> 00:26:06,958
Speaker 3: some big names.

545
00:26:07,078 --> 00:26:09,158
Speaker 2: Juan Soto goes on the ILF, and that's with a

546
00:26:09,158 --> 00:26:09,758
Speaker 2: cap injury.

547
00:26:09,758 --> 00:26:12,158
Speaker 3: They're hoping that's only two or three weeks. The same

548
00:26:12,198 --> 00:26:14,718
Speaker 3: with Mookie Betts and his oblique with the Dodgers. They're

549
00:26:14,758 --> 00:26:18,918
Speaker 3: hoping that's not an extended period. You've got Justin Verlander,

550
00:26:18,918 --> 00:26:21,518
Speaker 3: who's all set to make his Tiger's re debut.

551
00:26:22,238 --> 00:26:24,878
Speaker 2: He's out with a hip injury. Again. They hope that's

552
00:26:25,038 --> 00:26:26,318
Speaker 2: something that's not big.

553
00:26:27,158 --> 00:26:31,078
Speaker 3: Starting pitchers, you've got Matthew Boyd left by step strain.

554
00:26:31,518 --> 00:26:33,958
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Johann Oviedo right elbow strain.

555
00:26:34,078 --> 00:26:36,878
Speaker 3: He's going to see doctor Keith Meister, which is you know,

556
00:26:37,118 --> 00:26:40,038
Speaker 3: like when you get a piece of mail from the irs,

557
00:26:40,598 --> 00:26:42,398
Speaker 3: you know before you open it up, you're like, this

558
00:26:42,438 --> 00:26:44,798
Speaker 3: is not good. But the big one for me is

559
00:26:44,878 --> 00:26:48,438
Speaker 3: Hunter Brown, who you know could win a cy Young

560
00:26:48,518 --> 00:26:51,438
Speaker 3: certainly was in the running last year and was been

561
00:26:51,558 --> 00:26:53,678
Speaker 3: lights out his first two starts this year.

562
00:26:53,998 --> 00:26:56,118
Speaker 2: He's getting his shoulder checked out.

563
00:26:56,358 --> 00:26:58,758
Speaker 3: Of all those injuries, Joe, I think that's the most

564
00:26:58,798 --> 00:27:02,558
Speaker 3: significant one because I still like this Houston team, but

565
00:27:02,678 --> 00:27:05,758
Speaker 3: without the ace front that rotation, I think they look

566
00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:06,598
Speaker 3: a lot different.

567
00:27:07,198 --> 00:27:08,678
Speaker 2: Give me your take on some of these injuries.

568
00:27:08,718 --> 00:27:10,758
Speaker 3: You can pick anyone you want that may stand out

569
00:27:10,758 --> 00:27:13,158
Speaker 3: this early, that may have a big effect.

570
00:27:14,158 --> 00:27:17,558
Speaker 4: Two things, I really believe all teams should avoid any

571
00:27:17,598 --> 00:27:20,598
Speaker 4: timeline when they speak about an injury, they try to

572
00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:23,318
Speaker 4: soften it up. We'd expected to be two or three

573
00:27:23,358 --> 00:27:26,398
Speaker 4: weeks whenever I had to reveal an injury would say,

574
00:27:26,398 --> 00:27:29,438
Speaker 4: there's no finish there's no finish line here. Okay, when

575
00:27:29,558 --> 00:27:32,038
Speaker 4: when the guy's well, when biology takes place, then then

576
00:27:32,038 --> 00:27:32,998
Speaker 4: we'll be back on the field.

577
00:27:32,998 --> 00:27:33,758
Speaker 5: He's going to be fine.

578
00:27:33,838 --> 00:27:37,238
Speaker 4: So whenever I hear timelines being given, I always cringe

579
00:27:37,278 --> 00:27:39,598
Speaker 4: just a little bit because some many times it doesn't

580
00:27:39,638 --> 00:27:44,078
Speaker 4: work out that way. Calf Soto calf like Trout a

581
00:27:44,118 --> 00:27:47,038
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, had that calf that kept him out.

582
00:27:47,118 --> 00:27:49,958
Speaker 4: I mean, my god, he was kind of like half walking.

583
00:27:50,038 --> 00:27:52,718
Speaker 4: I mean when I say jogging, that's like an overstatement.

584
00:27:52,718 --> 00:27:55,398
Speaker 4: It was primarily a fast walk going from second to

585
00:27:55,438 --> 00:27:57,918
Speaker 4: third to hand his helmet to butter Brian Butterfield at

586
00:27:57,958 --> 00:27:59,838
Speaker 4: third base, and all of a sudden, man, he grabbed

587
00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:02,798
Speaker 4: his leg and it was his calf, and that thing

588
00:28:02,838 --> 00:28:06,158
Speaker 4: went on forever. The calves can be really tricky, man.

589
00:28:06,358 --> 00:28:08,958
Speaker 4: And of course the shoulder with Brown's got to be

590
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:12,078
Speaker 4: something to be concerned about. Your right opening up that

591
00:28:12,278 --> 00:28:15,958
Speaker 4: irs piece of mail always concerning. But I'm miss thinking

592
00:28:15,958 --> 00:28:18,998
Speaker 4: with these calves and legs stuff. Man, I've you know,

593
00:28:19,398 --> 00:28:22,838
Speaker 4: been my meager existence. You know, I've had leg problems

594
00:28:22,878 --> 00:28:26,638
Speaker 4: and they get they become chronic. And he's getting he's

595
00:28:26,718 --> 00:28:28,838
Speaker 4: not old, but he's gotten older. He plays a lot.

596
00:28:29,158 --> 00:28:31,758
Speaker 4: So out of everything I heard, the one I'm paying

597
00:28:31,758 --> 00:28:34,118
Speaker 4: attention to it would be would be Soto in his calf.

598
00:28:34,238 --> 00:28:38,598
Speaker 4: I just think that sometimes those can be lingering and

599
00:28:38,878 --> 00:28:41,758
Speaker 4: they really can't afford to luci him for a long

600
00:28:41,798 --> 00:28:44,158
Speaker 4: period of time. You know, Brown's good and everything. I

601
00:28:44,158 --> 00:28:47,078
Speaker 4: get all that, but I still believe, you know, the

602
00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:49,478
Speaker 4: Calvary could come in there and hold on to Fort

603
00:28:49,558 --> 00:28:51,118
Speaker 4: for a bit. I don't know anybody could hold down

604
00:28:51,118 --> 00:28:53,998
Speaker 4: the Mets Fort if he's not present in that lineup.

605
00:28:54,038 --> 00:28:56,318
Speaker 5: So that would be the one to me that I.

606
00:28:56,278 --> 00:28:58,198
Speaker 4: Hope they're right that it's a two to three week gig.

607
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:01,398
Speaker 4: But my advice is always never put a finish line.

608
00:29:01,438 --> 00:29:05,038
Speaker 4: Never never give the press, the media, the fan base

609
00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:08,238
Speaker 4: any kind of time frame, because when it's not met,

610
00:29:08,678 --> 00:29:11,838
Speaker 4: then it really becomes kind of difficult having to explain

611
00:29:11,878 --> 00:29:15,478
Speaker 4: it constantly, and that's where expectations and disappointment set in.

612
00:29:16,078 --> 00:29:16,558
Speaker 2: I like that.

613
00:29:16,558 --> 00:29:19,238
Speaker 3: That's a great point and a good point on Soto

614
00:29:19,318 --> 00:29:19,798
Speaker 3: as well.

615
00:29:20,118 --> 00:29:22,238
Speaker 2: I do agree with you on those calf injuries.

616
00:29:22,878 --> 00:29:26,438
Speaker 3: They don't sound like a big deal, but they certainly

617
00:29:26,558 --> 00:29:29,038
Speaker 3: can be. And I know guys if they've had calf

618
00:29:29,158 --> 00:29:32,198
Speaker 3: problems in the past, then you start worrying about scar

619
00:29:32,278 --> 00:29:36,838
Speaker 3: tissue there. It tends to be an injury that repeats itself,

620
00:29:36,878 --> 00:29:39,918
Speaker 3: that can jump back again. I don't know what your

621
00:29:39,918 --> 00:29:42,918
Speaker 3: experience has been with those calf injuries, Joe, but I

622
00:29:42,958 --> 00:29:45,318
Speaker 3: think we tended to dismiss them. They can wind up

623
00:29:45,358 --> 00:29:49,238
Speaker 3: being more lingering than some of the other injuries. I

624
00:29:49,238 --> 00:29:53,318
Speaker 3: should have mentioned as well too. Alejandra Kirk, the catcher

625
00:29:53,398 --> 00:29:56,998
Speaker 3: for the Blue Jays. He's having thumb surgery. Not sure

626
00:29:57,078 --> 00:29:58,918
Speaker 3: yet if he needs a pin in that thumb or not,

627
00:29:59,158 --> 00:30:02,398
Speaker 3: but you're looking anywhere between four to eight weeks.

628
00:30:02,638 --> 00:30:03,558
Speaker 2: That is huge.

629
00:30:04,078 --> 00:30:07,078
Speaker 3: Just I think he's so important both receiving and especially

630
00:30:07,078 --> 00:30:08,158
Speaker 3: on the offensive side.

631
00:30:08,158 --> 00:30:09,038
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier.

632
00:30:09,078 --> 00:30:10,918
Speaker 3: If you can get offense out of the catching position

633
00:30:11,038 --> 00:30:14,078
Speaker 3: and they have, that's a bonus PLA Jay is definitely

634
00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:15,638
Speaker 3: gonna miss Alejandro Kirk.

635
00:30:15,758 --> 00:30:17,158
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love this guy.

636
00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:23,278
Speaker 4: Thought he's so he's the ampathetical looking athlete, right, that's

637
00:30:23,358 --> 00:30:26,318
Speaker 4: no slam. I mean, I've had some really good players

638
00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:29,518
Speaker 4: that in our body beautiful, like Benji Molina was in

639
00:30:29,558 --> 00:30:33,358
Speaker 4: that category. Benji was a very good offensive catcher as

640
00:30:33,398 --> 00:30:36,238
Speaker 4: he grew into that position as he got his opportunities,

641
00:30:37,398 --> 00:30:40,158
Speaker 4: and Kirk is the same way. The guy's as big

642
00:30:40,158 --> 00:30:40,678
Speaker 4: with the bat.

643
00:30:40,718 --> 00:30:42,438
Speaker 2: I mean he did.

644
00:30:42,478 --> 00:30:45,398
Speaker 4: Anybody makes adjustment. Benja Milino was one of the best

645
00:30:45,438 --> 00:30:47,878
Speaker 4: low ball hitters I've ever seen. I just used to

646
00:30:47,958 --> 00:30:49,638
Speaker 4: yelling and from the dug got down where you're good,

647
00:30:49,758 --> 00:30:52,318
Speaker 4: down where you're good, really looked down whenever he took

648
00:30:52,358 --> 00:30:56,118
Speaker 4: a pitch for it that was a called a low strike, and.

649
00:30:55,918 --> 00:30:58,038
Speaker 5: He would upset, be upset me. I would get upset.

650
00:30:58,038 --> 00:31:00,238
Speaker 4: It's like, listen, man's that's down in the middle for you.

651
00:31:00,798 --> 00:31:01,758
Speaker 5: I don't want to go off on.

652
00:31:01,718 --> 00:31:04,558
Speaker 4: A tangent, but yeah, there's guys like Kirk and the

653
00:31:04,638 --> 00:31:07,558
Speaker 4: Benji Molina. Benji was as important to the Angels winning

654
00:31:07,558 --> 00:31:10,038
Speaker 4: the World Series as anybody in two thousand and two.

655
00:31:10,398 --> 00:31:14,278
Speaker 4: So guys like this, it's hard when you miss those

656
00:31:14,358 --> 00:31:16,838
Speaker 4: kind of dudes right there. That's the kind of stuff

657
00:31:16,838 --> 00:31:18,958
Speaker 4: that'll sneak up on you all of a sudden. The record,

658
00:31:19,238 --> 00:31:20,798
Speaker 4: all of a sudden takes a little bit of a tumble.

659
00:31:21,238 --> 00:31:24,518
Speaker 4: They're hard to replace. Catching position is a hard one replacement.

660
00:31:24,518 --> 00:31:27,798
Speaker 4: You got multiple good catchers. You're really fortunate. So yeah,

661
00:31:27,798 --> 00:31:30,918
Speaker 4: I would really watch that one to and see what

662
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:33,398
Speaker 4: that does with the blue Jays in the short term.

663
00:31:33,638 --> 00:31:35,678
Speaker 3: Well, Joe, I mentioned I had some news for you

664
00:31:35,758 --> 00:31:38,238
Speaker 3: about a couple of your old haunts I mentioned in

665
00:31:38,278 --> 00:31:41,678
Speaker 3: the trop Back in business and then take a quick break.

666
00:31:41,718 --> 00:31:43,638
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna have to break some bad news to

667
00:31:43,718 --> 00:31:46,638
Speaker 3: you as well about another one of your old haunts.

668
00:31:47,198 --> 00:31:49,598
Speaker 3: So buckle up, the bad news is about to come

669
00:31:49,678 --> 00:32:05,238
Speaker 3: right after this. Welcome back to the Book of Joe. Joe,

670
00:32:05,278 --> 00:32:07,998
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you saw this news. It happened

671
00:32:08,358 --> 00:32:12,038
Speaker 3: just last month, only a few weeks ago. Boulder, Colorado.

672
00:32:12,918 --> 00:32:17,078
Speaker 3: The dark Horse is closed. Yes, you saw that. I

673
00:32:17,198 --> 00:32:19,398
Speaker 3: was actually interviewed. Because of that.

674
00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:22,638
Speaker 4: My cousin at least lives there in Boulder at last,

675
00:32:22,718 --> 00:32:24,598
Speaker 4: Rick and back. I used to hang out at her

676
00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:26,878
Speaker 4: house with my uncle Rick and Ted.

677
00:32:26,678 --> 00:32:27,398
Speaker 5: Beck in the day.

678
00:32:28,118 --> 00:32:30,678
Speaker 4: She contacted me because she knew this young gal that

679
00:32:30,838 --> 00:32:34,158
Speaker 4: was doing a story on it. So I'm quoted extensively

680
00:32:34,198 --> 00:32:38,198
Speaker 4: in the story about the dark Horse. Yes, it's upsetting,

681
00:32:38,358 --> 00:32:42,518
Speaker 4: it's wrong. It's one of the finest institutions. I've ever

682
00:32:43,238 --> 00:32:46,838
Speaker 4: hung out two o'clock in the morning and would listen

683
00:32:46,878 --> 00:32:49,718
Speaker 4: to funeral for a friend come on about one forty

684
00:32:49,798 --> 00:32:53,318
Speaker 4: five every night. I mean, great sound system blasting Manny

685
00:32:53,358 --> 00:32:57,198
Speaker 4: crestbo sitting up on a barber's chair on this little stage.

686
00:32:57,238 --> 00:32:59,518
Speaker 4: Yet with this paraphernalia, they're like one of the first

687
00:32:59,518 --> 00:33:02,998
Speaker 4: places that would hang everything from the ceiling, like sleds,

688
00:33:02,998 --> 00:33:06,918
Speaker 4: like Santa Claus sleds, traffic lights, all kinds of stuff

689
00:33:06,958 --> 00:33:08,358
Speaker 4: were suspended from the ceiling.

690
00:33:08,798 --> 00:33:09,758
Speaker 5: I mean you'd walk to the.

691
00:33:09,718 --> 00:33:13,038
Speaker 4: Bathroom and there'd be a finger on the girl's door

692
00:33:13,078 --> 00:33:16,318
Speaker 4: pointing towards the man's room, and you'd get confused, like,

693
00:33:16,358 --> 00:33:18,638
Speaker 4: which is the right where am I supposed to go?

694
00:33:18,678 --> 00:33:21,918
Speaker 4: Because after a couple Chevis regals for sixty nine sets

695
00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:23,998
Speaker 4: of pop, you'd choose the wrong door sometimes. But it

696
00:33:24,718 --> 00:33:29,198
Speaker 4: was the coolest place. Man Love the Horse. That is very,

697
00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:29,918
Speaker 4: very sad.

698
00:33:30,078 --> 00:33:33,638
Speaker 3: They had people lined up for like forty five minutes

699
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:37,678
Speaker 3: to an hour, almost like a viewing at a funeral,

700
00:33:38,198 --> 00:33:40,958
Speaker 3: to just say goodbye to the Dark Horse. Once word

701
00:33:41,038 --> 00:33:44,998
Speaker 3: went out that it is closing, it's going to be demolished,

702
00:33:45,438 --> 00:33:48,238
Speaker 3: going to build a mixed use specificity with some housing

703
00:33:48,238 --> 00:33:51,638
Speaker 3: and entertainment and whatnot. But it certainly meant a lot

704
00:33:51,678 --> 00:33:55,478
Speaker 3: to a lot of people over many years. I guess, Joey,

705
00:33:55,718 --> 00:33:58,078
Speaker 3: you did a really good job describing the inside.

706
00:33:58,558 --> 00:34:00,638
Speaker 2: It was very welcoming, Homie.

707
00:34:00,678 --> 00:34:04,398
Speaker 3: I guess a lot of memories for people, you know,

708
00:34:04,478 --> 00:34:05,958
Speaker 3: the way that it touches people.

709
00:34:06,598 --> 00:34:08,398
Speaker 2: And I guess they did have at one point twenty

710
00:34:08,438 --> 00:34:09,878
Speaker 2: five cent beers. Is that right?

711
00:34:10,398 --> 00:34:13,198
Speaker 4: That they had sixty nights Well six sixty nine cent

712
00:34:13,198 --> 00:34:15,158
Speaker 4: well drinks and it was all high end a well drinks.

713
00:34:15,198 --> 00:34:17,598
Speaker 4: Like I said, Chevis Frigal was the Scotch of choice.

714
00:34:17,638 --> 00:34:19,838
Speaker 4: And at that time was I twenty one years old.

715
00:34:19,878 --> 00:34:22,878
Speaker 4: I think, having just gotten out of lot Yette and

716
00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:24,678
Speaker 4: Joe Namat had such an influence on me.

717
00:34:25,638 --> 00:34:26,998
Speaker 5: I was still into the Scotch world.

718
00:34:27,838 --> 00:34:30,398
Speaker 4: I was kind of like Joe was a Johnny Walker

719
00:34:30,598 --> 00:34:32,958
Speaker 4: red guy think and I was into doors. But then

720
00:34:33,038 --> 00:34:35,678
Speaker 4: eventually got out there and for sixty nine cents, bring

721
00:34:35,718 --> 00:34:36,398
Speaker 4: on the Chevis.

722
00:34:36,518 --> 00:34:41,558
Speaker 3: Wow, it was around for fifty one years. Oh my god,

723
00:34:41,958 --> 00:34:45,718
Speaker 3: that's pretty amazing. And March fourteenth was the time it

724
00:34:45,878 --> 00:34:48,398
Speaker 3: closed for the last time. The dark Horse of Boulder,

725
00:34:48,438 --> 00:34:51,518
Speaker 3: Colorado is no more. That was on Was that on

726
00:34:51,558 --> 00:34:52,918
Speaker 3: Baseline Road?

727
00:34:53,198 --> 00:34:54,158
Speaker 5: Yeah? And that was yes?

728
00:34:54,198 --> 00:34:57,958
Speaker 4: And now I Wayne Cret Chickie and myself, Stan Jakobowski,

729
00:34:58,358 --> 00:34:59,158
Speaker 4: all these guys.

730
00:34:59,158 --> 00:35:01,478
Speaker 5: We would go down there. That's such a great group, man.

731
00:35:01,518 --> 00:35:03,718
Speaker 4: That was a that was we won a national championship

732
00:35:03,758 --> 00:35:07,078
Speaker 4: and nineteen seventy five George.

733
00:35:06,758 --> 00:35:09,878
Speaker 5: Fraser was on that team as a pitcher, played west Lake,

734
00:35:09,918 --> 00:35:11,518
Speaker 5: played first base. It was.

735
00:35:11,758 --> 00:35:14,758
Speaker 4: It was a wonderful group of guys and I was

736
00:35:14,758 --> 00:35:16,478
Speaker 4: a starting catcher. I ended up being a starting catcher

737
00:35:16,518 --> 00:35:19,758
Speaker 4: on the team. We beat either Fairbanks or they was Fairbanks.

738
00:35:19,918 --> 00:35:23,038
Speaker 4: We beat Floyde Banister and Fairbanks in the NBC World

739
00:35:23,118 --> 00:35:25,318
Speaker 4: Series in which it taught Kansas that summer. But that

740
00:35:25,398 --> 00:35:27,718
Speaker 4: was our regular hangout. And then Jackabowski and I and

741
00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:33,038
Speaker 4: then Rod Boxwaterburger Brad Boksburger's dad. Rod was at USC

742
00:35:33,118 --> 00:35:35,118
Speaker 4: at the time. We were in charge of taking care

743
00:35:35,198 --> 00:35:37,438
Speaker 4: of the field there. It was called University of called

744
00:35:37,438 --> 00:35:40,798
Speaker 4: about a baseball field. They disbanded the program right after that.

745
00:35:40,838 --> 00:35:43,718
Speaker 4: I think Herb Brown was the baseball coach there at

746
00:35:43,718 --> 00:35:45,918
Speaker 4: the time, But we were in charge of the field

747
00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:47,118
Speaker 4: and god.

748
00:35:46,958 --> 00:35:48,358
Speaker 5: Like did they only knew man?

749
00:35:48,398 --> 00:35:50,238
Speaker 4: But you'd be out all night and then you do

750
00:35:50,278 --> 00:35:52,958
Speaker 4: that you have a game later that day. God, I

751
00:35:52,958 --> 00:35:56,118
Speaker 4: missed summer baseball that's the thing that these guys don't.

752
00:35:56,158 --> 00:35:58,918
Speaker 4: These leagues really aren't as prominent as they once were.

753
00:35:58,958 --> 00:36:00,798
Speaker 4: You played in Boulder, you played up and down the

754
00:36:01,678 --> 00:36:05,038
Speaker 4: slopes there of the Rockies down to twelve Blows, Colorado

755
00:36:05,118 --> 00:36:07,638
Speaker 4: Springs up to Boulder into Denver area, all the way

756
00:36:07,718 --> 00:36:10,838
Speaker 4: up to Greely, and it was wonderful. Then you go

757
00:36:10,838 --> 00:36:13,198
Speaker 4: over to Wichita, you go over to Kansas, you play

758
00:36:13,278 --> 00:36:18,478
Speaker 4: Liberal Kansas, Dodge City. Eventually you'd get over to Wichita. God,

759
00:36:18,558 --> 00:36:20,998
Speaker 4: I mean you talk about and then at Grand Junction

760
00:36:21,198 --> 00:36:23,918
Speaker 4: was also in the group. It was just like, that's

761
00:36:23,958 --> 00:36:27,238
Speaker 4: the way to be raised in the game. I really

762
00:36:27,278 --> 00:36:29,398
Speaker 4: wish that kids today because you also had a job.

763
00:36:29,838 --> 00:36:31,638
Speaker 4: You didn't just go out there and play baseball. You

764
00:36:31,678 --> 00:36:34,358
Speaker 4: had to work. Like even Clay Westley, Clay was on

765
00:36:34,438 --> 00:36:37,078
Speaker 4: the course truck during the day. He could deliver a

766
00:36:37,158 --> 00:36:40,358
Speaker 4: course beard during the day. And then one year we

767
00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:44,078
Speaker 4: put up a dog kennel in Arvada and Spike One

768
00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:45,798
Speaker 4: was on that group with me. Al Newman was on

769
00:36:45,838 --> 00:36:48,198
Speaker 4: that group with me. I'm in charge of this group

770
00:36:48,238 --> 00:36:50,558
Speaker 4: of guys putting up this metal building which could have

771
00:36:50,558 --> 00:36:53,798
Speaker 4: cut your finger off at any second in Arvada, California

772
00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:57,598
Speaker 4: and our paychecks bounced every week. It was wonderful experience.

773
00:36:58,358 --> 00:37:01,198
Speaker 3: So you were in Boulder in nineteen seventy five, because

774
00:37:01,238 --> 00:37:03,838
Speaker 3: I think that was the first year the dark Horse opened.

775
00:37:04,398 --> 00:37:08,398
Speaker 4: That's correct, That's correct. We ambushed that place. Man and

776
00:37:08,438 --> 00:37:10,798
Speaker 4: Manny Crespall. Like I said, Manny was a guy that

777
00:37:10,838 --> 00:37:12,958
Speaker 4: had played in the minor leagues with the Red Sox.

778
00:37:12,958 --> 00:37:14,238
Speaker 4: I don't think you made it the big leagues, but

779
00:37:14,278 --> 00:37:17,078
Speaker 4: Manny came back because Baldy loved Manny because he had

780
00:37:17,078 --> 00:37:19,838
Speaker 4: played there before. It's a place where Bert Hooton pitched

781
00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:22,478
Speaker 4: and Jim Gideon pitched. And if you look at the

782
00:37:22,638 --> 00:37:25,798
Speaker 4: if you look at the alumni, Eddie Baine of the

783
00:37:26,438 --> 00:37:29,758
Speaker 4: Boulder Collegiates, just check out that alumni list, Bobby Horner,

784
00:37:30,318 --> 00:37:32,318
Speaker 4: it was it's pretty spectacular group.

785
00:37:32,758 --> 00:37:34,278
Speaker 5: I mean, Tony Gwinny eventually played there.

786
00:37:34,398 --> 00:37:36,638
Speaker 4: Joe Carter we All and I went back to in

787
00:37:36,718 --> 00:37:38,838
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty and I was a player coach there with

788
00:37:38,918 --> 00:37:41,238
Speaker 4: Jim Deets, who was the head coach at San Diego State,

789
00:37:41,798 --> 00:37:43,438
Speaker 4: and I was a player coach on that team.

790
00:37:43,478 --> 00:37:43,878
Speaker 5: We lost.

791
00:37:43,998 --> 00:37:46,438
Speaker 4: Mark Langston was on that I caught Langley that summer.

792
00:37:46,478 --> 00:37:50,798
Speaker 4: I mean I have such great memories of that area. Boulder,

793
00:37:50,838 --> 00:37:53,638
Speaker 4: Colorado one of my favorite places on Earth. It's a

794
00:37:53,638 --> 00:37:59,638
Speaker 4: place that really created life for me. Regarding getting into

795
00:37:59,678 --> 00:38:03,438
Speaker 4: professional baseball. I signed her at seventy five, eventually got released,

796
00:38:03,478 --> 00:38:05,638
Speaker 4: went back to nineteen eighty, and then got signed again

797
00:38:05,678 --> 00:38:08,598
Speaker 4: as a minor league manager and scout, et cetera. So yeah,

798
00:38:08,598 --> 00:38:12,238
Speaker 4: whenever you say Boulder Man, my my interior just lights up.

799
00:38:12,318 --> 00:38:13,958
Speaker 5: It was the best I think.

800
00:38:14,038 --> 00:38:16,478
Speaker 2: Did Terry francona play for the Collisians as well?

801
00:38:16,798 --> 00:38:19,198
Speaker 5: I don't know did he? I don't know if Terry dude,

802
00:38:19,278 --> 00:38:20,758
Speaker 5: I don't know that. But I'll also tell you this.

803
00:38:20,838 --> 00:38:23,438
Speaker 4: I had of nineteen sixty nine Vobil there for one winter.

804
00:38:23,478 --> 00:38:25,678
Speaker 4: It would not go in reverse. So you drive, You

805
00:38:25,718 --> 00:38:28,358
Speaker 4: try to drive around Boulder, Colorado in a winter time

806
00:38:28,678 --> 00:38:30,158
Speaker 4: with the car that were not going reverse.

807
00:38:30,478 --> 00:38:31,518
Speaker 5: It was very challenging.

808
00:38:31,798 --> 00:38:34,158
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of planning. I would imagine now.

809
00:38:34,158 --> 00:38:35,598
Speaker 4: When you take a date out and you have to

810
00:38:35,598 --> 00:38:37,838
Speaker 4: explain it to her. My god not through.

811
00:38:37,918 --> 00:38:40,278
Speaker 3: On the day they closed the Dark Horse and people

812
00:38:40,358 --> 00:38:42,998
Speaker 3: were out waiting in line, someone brought a case of

813
00:38:43,038 --> 00:38:46,598
Speaker 3: beer and left it outside for people who you know,

814
00:38:46,878 --> 00:38:50,238
Speaker 3: could partake of their refreshment since they weren't selling any

815
00:38:50,278 --> 00:38:54,558
Speaker 3: more inside. So it's always been that neighborhood place lost

816
00:38:54,558 --> 00:38:56,478
Speaker 3: a little bit of history with the close of the

817
00:38:56,558 --> 00:39:00,878
Speaker 3: dark Horse. So condolences to the dark Horse. The memories

818
00:39:00,878 --> 00:39:03,598
Speaker 3: will always last, Joe. But that brings us to the

819
00:39:03,638 --> 00:39:07,238
Speaker 3: close of this episode. Now, this is not the end

820
00:39:07,318 --> 00:39:10,518
Speaker 3: of our podcast, just the end of this episode. So

821
00:39:10,598 --> 00:39:13,318
Speaker 3: what kind of final words do you have for us today?

822
00:39:13,878 --> 00:39:15,718
Speaker 4: I got two things real quick because I still had

823
00:39:15,718 --> 00:39:18,198
Speaker 4: dinner with my brother. My brother Marx has made Easter pie.

824
00:39:18,238 --> 00:39:20,198
Speaker 4: I don't know if everybody's aware of Easter pie, but

825
00:39:20,278 --> 00:39:24,278
Speaker 4: that's obviously during Easter. The Italian part of my family

826
00:39:24,438 --> 00:39:27,758
Speaker 4: than my mom polish, we make Easter pie of ham, sausage,

827
00:39:27,798 --> 00:39:31,158
Speaker 4: hard boiled eggs, ricotta, cheese, romano cheese, egg whites, egg yolks,

828
00:39:31,278 --> 00:39:34,678
Speaker 4: black pepper, and parson. It is outstanding. It's in the fridge.

829
00:39:34,678 --> 00:39:36,118
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it right now. That's going to be

830
00:39:36,118 --> 00:39:39,598
Speaker 4: my breakfast. And then if you want more information about that,

831
00:39:39,798 --> 00:39:41,598
Speaker 4: right in and we'll get you the exact recipe how

832
00:39:41,598 --> 00:39:41,998
Speaker 4: to do it.

833
00:39:41,998 --> 00:39:42,398
Speaker 5: It is.

834
00:39:42,598 --> 00:39:45,598
Speaker 4: It's an acquired taste, but it's the best. And then

835
00:39:45,718 --> 00:39:48,438
Speaker 4: moving on from there, just to the thought of the day.

836
00:39:49,038 --> 00:39:53,518
Speaker 4: My thoughts were really centered around conviction and maybe, like

837
00:39:53,598 --> 00:39:56,278
Speaker 4: right now with the red sauce and whatever your belief

838
00:39:56,318 --> 00:39:59,358
Speaker 4: system is to not you always have to remain flexible,

839
00:39:59,358 --> 00:40:01,438
Speaker 4: but you have to be convicted to your beliefs. And

840
00:40:01,518 --> 00:40:04,558
Speaker 4: I just got that this was pretty good and it

841
00:40:04,678 --> 00:40:07,078
Speaker 4: kind of goes in a little bit of a nut circle,

842
00:40:07,318 --> 00:40:09,078
Speaker 4: but it takes a different path and I kind of

843
00:40:09,158 --> 00:40:13,158
Speaker 4: liked it. Regarding conviction, conviction charisma has nothing to do

844
00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:16,758
Speaker 4: with energy. Charisma has nothing to do with energy. It

845
00:40:16,838 --> 00:40:19,798
Speaker 4: comes from a clarity of why God that I love that.

846
00:40:20,358 --> 00:40:24,878
Speaker 4: It comes from absolute conviction and an ideal bigger than oneself.

847
00:40:24,958 --> 00:40:28,758
Speaker 4: It comes from absolute conviction and an ideal bigger than oneself.

848
00:40:29,118 --> 00:40:31,878
Speaker 4: I'm just just thinking about things in general, because you know,

849
00:40:32,198 --> 00:40:34,638
Speaker 4: even like with social media, people can get knocked off

850
00:40:34,678 --> 00:40:39,518
Speaker 4: their ideals ideas because they get land basted with negative

851
00:40:39,558 --> 00:40:42,598
Speaker 4: feedback clicks, you know, a negative click as opposed to

852
00:40:42,678 --> 00:40:45,478
Speaker 4: positive click. And I think, you know, when it comes

853
00:40:45,518 --> 00:40:48,078
Speaker 4: down to conviction, really believing in what you believe in

854
00:40:48,198 --> 00:40:52,678
Speaker 4: and being able to explain it plainly and lucively. I

855
00:40:52,678 --> 00:40:56,158
Speaker 4: think that's really important. And like I said, sometimes maybe

856
00:40:56,198 --> 00:40:58,358
Speaker 4: your convictions are off. I mean, my belief system might

857
00:40:58,398 --> 00:41:01,398
Speaker 4: be off, but I got to stay with that while

858
00:41:01,398 --> 00:41:05,798
Speaker 4: remaining flexible. Absolute conviction is an idea bigger than one self.

859
00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:08,038
Speaker 4: I was just thinking about that today, just looking at

860
00:41:08,038 --> 00:41:09,358
Speaker 4: a lot of things, reading a lot of things, a

861
00:41:09,398 --> 00:41:11,998
Speaker 4: lot of things going on in the world. Think for yourself,

862
00:41:12,038 --> 00:41:15,038
Speaker 4: I guess, is what I'm saying. Think for yourself, Remain flexible,

863
00:41:15,078 --> 00:41:17,718
Speaker 4: but know what you believe. And I love that chrisma

864
00:41:17,798 --> 00:41:19,718
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with energy, and you know, you

865
00:41:19,798 --> 00:41:22,478
Speaker 4: think about that, the charismatic like I was always talk

866
00:41:22,518 --> 00:41:26,638
Speaker 4: about the twenty sixteen cubs of being charismatic. But then

867
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Speaker 4: the next sentense, it comes from a clarity of why

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Speaker 4: and the way was we were together there in order

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Speaker 4: to you know, break the curse, break that one hundred

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Speaker 4: and eight year old curse, and we did so. I

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Speaker 4: mean a little bit over the map today starts with

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Speaker 4: easter pie goes to conviction. But I thought your topics

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Speaker 4: are great today. So you have me all over the

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Speaker 4: map and I'm in an RV that's being shaken by

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Speaker 4: this fifty mine hour wind on the Eastern Atlantic coast

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Speaker 4: here in Beverly, beach and loving every second of.

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Speaker 3: I told you do sound like you're in the artimist,

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Speaker 3: but I'm glad to hear you're still earth bound for

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Speaker 3: now anyway.

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Speaker 2: But I love that word job. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 2: up conviction. It's so important.

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Speaker 3: I hear it a lot with pitching, where a pitcher

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Speaker 3: has to be convicted with a pitch before you throw it.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: But I think especially and I love your reference to

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Speaker 3: the Red Sox because it's especially important this time of

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Speaker 3: year for teams that really don't know who they are.

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Speaker 3: Like I thought, you're sixteen Cubs. You knew exactly who

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Speaker 3: you were in spring training based on how well the

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Speaker 3: fifteen season went and that run in the postseason. I

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Speaker 3: like teams that are convicted. They know who they are,

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Speaker 3: they know what they are as a team. They're not

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Speaker 3: trying to establish something. And you know, the Phillies are

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Speaker 3: a convicted team. The Dodgers, of course, convicted team. The

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Speaker 3: Yankees are a convicted team. Don't see that yet with

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Speaker 3: a team like the Red Sox, Oh man, it's a

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Speaker 3: very valuable thing in any sport. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: Joe and golf, it's huge to be convicted to a shot,

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Speaker 3: convicted to your putt line. And I think right now

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Speaker 3: the Red Sox are not a convicted team. They need

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Speaker 3: to get there pretty quickly. So very appropriate word today.

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Speaker 5: And use the word flexible too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've always thought, like the better teams I've

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Speaker 4: been affiliate it with going into spring training, it pretty

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Speaker 4: much knew how this was going to shake out, like

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Speaker 4: you know, people being in line for a job in

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Speaker 4: order to make the team or stick with the team.

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Speaker 4: I've always thought if there was like one, maybe two

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Speaker 4: real Oak job openings, that would be a lot on

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Speaker 4: a good team. And that's part of conviction of an

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Speaker 4: off season. I think you should be able to do

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Speaker 4: that annually.

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Speaker 5: When you have too many.

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Speaker 4: Cattle calls or job opportunities in spring training, normally you're

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Speaker 4: not a really good team. That's my opinion. So while

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Speaker 4: you're doing all this stuff though, too, you're convicted this

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Speaker 4: is our team. We like this, we put it together

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Speaker 4: in November, December, January, whatever, But always remain flexible. The

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Speaker 4: ability to say I might have been wrong is really important,

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Speaker 4: and so it's yeah, be convicted in what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: I want my team to be kind of made up

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Speaker 4: before I get there. But always that flexibility has to

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Speaker 4: remain because when you get there, all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: something might not just smell quite right, and you might

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Speaker 4: have to literally shift gears.

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Speaker 3: Joe, great job and congratulations on living large. Easter pie

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Speaker 3: for breakfasts in an RV that's right next to the

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Speaker 3: Atlantic Ocean. Doesn't get any better than that, not even

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Speaker 3: on the dark side of the moon.

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Speaker 4: If we could just post I mean, it almost looks

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Speaker 4: like the dark side of the moon, if we could

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Speaker 4: actually post a picture, this would be so cold.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a picture.

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Speaker 4: I'll send it the Bence and if anybody wants to

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Speaker 4: see what we but this looks like it is that spectacular.

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Speaker 5: It truly is.

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Speaker 2: See you next time, See your brother.

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Speaker 5: Bye.

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