1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: We've got you live on the fish on first base account, 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: We've got Kevin, got Alex cratched out. Of course we'll 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: hear from you guys later in the show, but first 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: we'll go wee can review here go ub. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: Way back to the Astro series. 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: It feels a little long ago at this point, but 7 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: started the week off with a win, a surprising win. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: Obvious. Marlin's got up pretty early. 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: In that game, and it was a game that didn't 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: really feel like they ship but up franber Baldez went deep. 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: Into the game. But as you heard, they're on the 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: play number two back to back to back. 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: That was an amazing game, but the rest of the 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: series didn't quite go so well. Five runs scored in 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: each game of that series for the Marlins offense. That's 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: gonna kind of be something that we put an emphasis 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: on later in this show, just how much better the 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Marlins offense looks It just it's really that simple. They 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: got together this week minus yesterday and the doubleheader. But 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: we'll go to Kevin here. We were there for some 21 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: of that series. Just the offensive boom. Talk about that, 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: and then you know what the challenge is that Miami's 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: hitters face told picture's face. 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: Rather, I guess that afroslan up. 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: I mean, even though Miami lost that third game twelve 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: to five, kind of felt like. 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: Each game was competitive to a certain degree. 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: When you look at that final game, Miami was just 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: down by a run entering to seventh fifty thanks. I mean, unfortunately, 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Hory Loveez blew the you know, the Astros offense kind 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: of got sent pretty quickly there. He blew the game 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: out that the water. They ended up losing twelve to five. 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I want to say, but man, I mean, you look 34 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: at that first game, Miami's offense was pretty damn good. 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: Home runs by Jorge Solaire, home runs by Luis Rise, 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Josh Beld. I think that was back to back to 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: back there. Yeah, Solaira, Rise and Josh Bell went back to. 38 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: Back to back. 39 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: That hasn't been done since I want to say, nineteen 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: ninety eight. 41 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: If you go back to a regular season game. Obviously 42 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: you could go back. 43 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: To twenty twenty when they did the when they had 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: that game in Truists in Atlanta during the preseason COVID stuff. 45 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: They went back to back to back there. I think 46 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: those are three interesting names. 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: I know VR was one of the far was another 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: one and I heard name, but I mean you also 49 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: have to give props for fram Arvaldez, who pitched seven 50 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: and two thirds. 51 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: He still struck out for walk to one. 52 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: He gave the. 53 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: Astros a lot of lengths there. 54 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: For them, and then Brax and for the most part, 55 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: look it was like a weird strike to a certain degree, 56 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: only struck out one walk to I think he's only 57 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: done this six o three times in his career, if 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: if I remember that correctly. 59 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: He pitched five innings, I mean, still shut out. 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: The Astros and then he had Narady, Portlopez, Scott Robertson 61 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: all giving you a lot of you know, big time 62 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: innings there, and depend will against David Robertson at some 63 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: point he will have to talk about him. 64 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: Game two, I don't remember the finals. He was up 65 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: five to all at. 66 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Some point in that game and then they ended up 67 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: just blowing the lead. 68 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: They lost six to five. Yes that's the case. And 69 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: then Game three is another. 70 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: Tough one there where Lozardo struggled. Another Hazels Wozzardo game 71 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: where he struggled. 72 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: Uh. 73 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: He mentioned posting that he thinks it could be tipping 74 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: pitches to a certain degree. 75 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: It kind of looked like it. 76 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: I know this was spoken about the start before the 77 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: Astros that it could have. 78 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: Been something that could be the case of tipping pitches. 79 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: Maybe it was. 80 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Astros hitories immediately got him scoring. I believe 81 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: those five runs from the get go, and Mayen kind 82 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: of was able to kind of bounce back there. But 83 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, uh, they they lost that serious and we'll 84 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: get into the Dodgers one later. That was I don't 85 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: doubt they did sort of caught back just a little bit, 86 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: and yeah, they were all the way. 87 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were done by a runou at some point 88 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: I believe. 89 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: And or they may have tied it, but I believe 90 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: they were down six or five, and. 91 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: Then Loves came in and yeah, he gave him that. 92 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 2: That was the beginning of my bullpen fears throughout the week. 93 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Of course, didn't really have to deal with that Friday, 94 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: but especially yesterday. 95 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: It was a little shaky. 96 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: But the main thing that's really been shaky as of late, 97 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: as to me, has been the rotation. 98 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a minute, though. I think 99 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: that's all that really needs. 100 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: To be said about the Astro series. They took a 101 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: game from the Astros. They did lose the series, but 102 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: they fought in all those games. There are just a 103 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: couple of little things. 104 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: That you know, you can get together, you can take 105 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: that series. 106 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: So we'll move on to La now real quick, very 107 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: very brief series. Three games in twenty four hours. We 108 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: had Isaac's suit there the cover of that one. I 109 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: hope everyone that's in LA and it's so cow stands safe. 110 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: But that hurricane down there, travel storm. But going to 111 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the series real quick Friday might have been the best 112 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: overall performance we've seen from the Marlins all year. 113 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: Eleven runs. It wasn't fortunate to. 114 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: Learn that Tony g was injured and his season might 115 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: be over. But the long ball, when was the last 116 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: time tomorrow? And said that many home runs in a game? 117 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: I know that sounds put out there. Someone have it 118 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: on hand, No, I don't. 119 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: Well, we know they hadn't done it all year, so 120 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: this was certainly first for this team. They'd only hit 121 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: I think four in a game maybe one other time 122 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: all season long, and they hit all those home runs 123 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: within the first five innings or so, first four innings. 124 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: So that, yeah, that was incredible. 125 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: That was incredible and Frankly, I did not watch any 126 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: of those live because I was at the Yankees Red 127 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: Sox game, which was just as lopsided and unentertaining for 128 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: the home fans. But that's besides the point. Everybody, from 129 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: Jacob Sallings to obviously so Layer doing it twice. Yeah, 130 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: I have to agree that that is on the short 131 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: list of most fulfilling wins of the year. I guess 132 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: you could say that Sandy was not quite as dominant 133 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: as he had been for most of this second half 134 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: of the season. Allowed that has to do with the 135 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: quality of the opponent that he was facing. It's very 136 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: hard to do anything more than that. And the fact 137 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 3: that he at least went six innings to save the 138 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: bullpen a little bit for what turned out to be 139 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: that doubleheader on Saturday. 140 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, he did his part. 141 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: There's there's very little to nitpick about that one game 142 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: that was that really reinforced what exactly this team is 143 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: capable of, at least against certain opponents. 144 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: As you mentioned that, I think there's. 145 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: Strong reason to believe that an injury contributed to why 146 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: Gonsolin was so hittable. Usually when things go badly for him, 147 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: it's more so about a lack of control and getting 148 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: behind accounts and putting runners on base. He did some 149 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: of that, but whenever somebody lows that many home runs 150 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: to that wide a variety of hitters, yeah, it shows 151 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: you that he's just he was not a major league 152 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: pitcher on that night, and they took advantage of it. 153 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Correct, you had. 154 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Mentioned Sandy not one of his best out into the 155 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: second half was because quality of opponent. But it's good, buddy, 156 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: very next day, I mean won out for him, even 157 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: one of the best starting pitching out because anyone's hat 158 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: against the Dodgers all year. 159 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: Albit, it was only five ding their. 160 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: Six innings, six innings, six innings, exactly ninety pitches he 161 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: faced what only two base runners allowed at a twenty 162 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: batter's face. That was that was incredible against many of 163 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: the same hitters, of course that Sandy had faced the 164 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: previous night. And I had mentioned this on our stream 165 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: on I guess Thursday when we did it about how 166 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 3: even though I didn't think the Dodgers were an easy 167 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: matchup for him, I thought it would be good for 168 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: him to face more dangerous lefty hitters and I have 169 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: to use his full pitch mix. He becomes so fastball 170 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: slider dependent his last couple outings, and even before he 171 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: got sent down. This is a guy that has a 172 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: great four pitch mix. So I didn't like to see 173 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: him be so overly simplistic against that Dodgers team. It 174 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: wasn't the key to why he was so good, but 175 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: I'd love to see there were occasional curveballs that he 176 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: dropped in against the lefty hitters. I remember, in particular 177 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: the Max Munsey that really set up his other pitches. 178 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: He used to change up a little bit more effectively 179 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: than he had as well, So he did. It did 180 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: turn out to be very good for him. He used 181 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: everything that he had. He got even better as the 182 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: game went along. Extremely encouraging to know that, no, they 183 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: did not break him by sending him down to the miners. 184 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: So that theory and that overreactions to it. It's not 185 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: like they destroyed his confidence. It's not like his stuff 186 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: dramatically had changed since getting sent down. It was just 187 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 3: a somewhat of a coming back down to Earth week 188 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: for him prior to that, where he was not going 189 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: to be a true front line, like he's not going 190 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: to pitch. 191 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 4: To a two er. The rest of the year. 192 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: That's just not realistic the underlying stats. Even before gets 193 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: sent down said so, yeah. The realistic outcome, though, is 194 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: that he has outings like this every three or four 195 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: times out there, and that he is at least on 196 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: this team, he's a definitive top two guy right there 197 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: with Sandy the rest of the way. So you need 198 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: to cherish every outing you get from him. We don't 199 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: know he's actually going to be able to stay in 200 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: this rotation the rest of the year and make six 201 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: ending starts the rest of the year or that expectations. No, 202 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: So every single adding you need to cherish it and 203 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: you need to win it, which is what made that 204 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: game so deflating because they did not win it even 205 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: though he did absolutely everything in his power to put 206 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: them in a position to do so. 207 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: Before we get to crutch it because I know he 208 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: has a rand set up. Yeah, that was a perfect 209 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: setup to it, Like sneak can't. 210 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: Quickly quickly, Okay, I do want to ask you, like 211 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: the change up like Eli's Eli, He's not using this 212 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: at all. He's not using a curve ball more than 213 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: the change of Like obviously it mentioned that the sticky 214 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, the stickyself in the ball. 215 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: You know, a little hard to adjust to going to the. 216 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: Big leagues to that, to the minor leagues to that, 217 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: but like you know, it goes back down you I 218 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: don't know how much he may have used said down there, 219 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: but you know, obviously no more sticky stuff down there 220 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: at double A. Like what else could it be that, 221 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, no, no more use of the changeup, which 222 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: to the point where he got called up the first time, 223 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: that was arguably one of his best betures, maybe. 224 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: His best pitch. 225 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: I do think long term it is still going to 226 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: be a really good pitch for him. It's an inexact 227 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: science the way that major league opponents are going to 228 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: respond to it. I remember thinking that very clearly with 229 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: Edward when he got called up the first time in 230 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. He was known for his changeup, and 231 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: he his change up statistically was one of the worst 232 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: in baseball late in the twenty twenty one season. 233 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: It was terrible. 234 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: It got hit really hard, he couldn't put it. He 235 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: kind of even when he put it where he wants, 236 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: he got bad results. It is still such a big 237 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: gap between the miners and the majors that you don't, 238 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: and especially in terms more so than anything else, in 239 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: terms of how those hitters prepare for you. So everybody 240 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: knows that he does potentially have a change up, and 241 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: really early on in his major league tenure he kind 242 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: of got scared away from using it. Yeah, but in 243 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: this case it's about fine using it eight percent of 244 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: the time. That's still something. Yeah, I think it'll be 245 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: a little bit higher when he's fully comfortable with it 246 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: and has good ways to use it. 247 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: He didn't get to get any whiffs on it. He'd 248 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 4: got no swings and. 249 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: Misses on it in this outing, So yeah, it still 250 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: has work to do, and yeah, for the moment it is, 251 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: I guess the weakest part of his arsenal. It is 252 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: still important to use it anyway and give hitter or 253 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: something else to think about. 254 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: All Right, this sets us up pretty well. Mister Alice 255 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: Crutching usually comes in here, but tonight he specifically asked 256 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: us if he could get off a good rant. We've 257 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: had some amazing rants in here, particularly Alex Carver. He 258 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: usually found something to roam a single day. And then 259 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: Romeo gave us an all timer back during May when 260 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: it looked like the season was absolutely fall off. Apart 261 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Alex Manda floor is yours. We talked about robertson struggles. 262 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Take us away, thank you, yea. I'm surprised Harber hasn't 263 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: come in yet with his own thoughts. But that's one 264 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: good about Robertson a little bit. And this isn't gonna 265 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: be anything nearly what we heard with Carver and the 266 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: score up, because I actually don't think that. 267 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: Robertson's a bad picture, but I have been pretty disappointed 268 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: with the three weeks that he's been in Miami, and. 269 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, part of what caused me to want to 270 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: go on this rant with everyone talking yesterday about you know, 271 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: the offense should have scored more runs. 272 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: It's not Robertson's fall, it's the offense's fault. Yes, the 273 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: offense scoring two runs at eighteen innings is very bad. 274 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: It's not good. The offense botched it this weekend, and 275 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: we'll talk more about it, I'm sure. But my issue is, 276 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: if you want to. 277 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 5: Remember, Robertson was brought in for that moment, and I 278 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 5: remember last year, my biggest thing with our bullpend was 279 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 5: that they were constantly throwing in middle leverage guys that 280 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 5: should be pitching. 281 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: Like the six and seventh inning, in the eighth and ninth. 282 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 5: Inning, and Steve Okert was one of those guys, for example, right, 283 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 5: Steve Okert was one of those guys who was constantly 284 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 5: coming in the eighth inning and a tide game, and 285 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 5: because the offense was so bad that every single game 286 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 5: was a one run game. And so I kind of 287 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 5: felt bad for guys like Oker, for Tanner's stop, for 288 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 5: Tommy Nantz because every time they came in it was 289 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: a high leverage spot. And it feels like people are 290 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 5: kind of doing the same game to David Robertson now, 291 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 5: which is ridiculous because the Marlins. 292 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: Gave out and I'm sure Carborough have something to say 293 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: about this. 294 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 5: The Marlins gave up two very good prospects to bring 295 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 5: in a guy that is supposed to come in in 296 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 5: a one run game, in a. 297 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: One nothing game, that's kind of the job. 298 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 5: And David Robertson even mentioned something too Jessica Blaylock with 299 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 5: Valley Sports. 300 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: He said, yeah, we seem to have a lot of 301 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: one nothing games. I guess they gotta get used to it. 302 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: And I don't know if he's just semantics, but I 303 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: really didn't like that, as you do have to get 304 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: used to it because that's who you are. 305 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 5: Apparently you're a over a ten year veteran who took 306 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 5: the anchet the World Series by Mario Roa Rivera, and 307 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 5: so that is kind of your job. It doesn't matter 308 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 5: if it's one nothing, it's a matter if it's five four, 309 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if it's thirty to twenty one. Just 310 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 5: because the offense kind of shipped the bead this weekend 311 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 5: doesn't mean that David Robertson left off the hook. 312 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: I don't care what the score is. You know, again, 313 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: I'm repeating myself. This is the last thing I'll say. 314 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 5: Your job is to shut down a game that's one nothing. 315 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 5: That's your whole fit. And he's coming in in the 316 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 5: most stressful situations and getting the job done. 317 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: So I don't want to hear but the. 318 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 5: Offense didn't do its job this weekend, because at the 319 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 5: end of the day, the job of David Robertson is to, 320 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: you know, say, regardless of the score, I got. 321 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: To get the job done regardless, that's all. Yeah. 322 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I was expecting like a little more firey, but that 323 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: was more of an exco a disagreement that it was 324 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: pretty good. I was expecting screaming. I think we've had 325 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: too much of that and this. But I also that 326 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: he mentioned what Robertson. 327 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: Said in his post game yesterday. I did bring it 328 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: up me personally. I also felt a little not disrespected 329 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: for myself. 330 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 6: I felt disrespected for Jessica, where I felt like David 331 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 6: was a little disrespectful throughout that interview, kind of like 332 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 6: man'splaining a little bit like that first minute, and kind. 333 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: Of dis disregarded what she had to say that it really. 334 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Take responsibility for someone who is a veteran this league, 335 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: has been on World Series winning teams, playing a lot 336 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: of big markets. I feel like should show a little 337 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: bit more maturity. So I was disappointed, not just with 338 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: the showing yesterday. And yeah, I agree with Crutchick where 339 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: you know you gotta put up runs. Two runs and 340 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: eighteen innings is pitiful, But Robinson's behavior after the fact 341 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: doesn't show me that a hit. 342 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about his leadership qualities and a 343 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: pretty tightly knit bullpen. That's a pretty tightly knit group. 344 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: I'd say guys like Panter Scott and then have done 345 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: a really good job of building a culture out there 346 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: and kind of forming that this year and something that 347 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: was a lot, but it was kind. 348 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: Of non existent last year. So that's my two cents 349 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: as well, if anyone else wants to step in. 350 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 5: No, that's what I noticed too, is he was kind 351 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 5: of mansley and and I honestly don't know if it's 352 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 5: just him being rough around the edges because he's used 353 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 5: to the New York media. He pitched for both the 354 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 5: Bets and the Yankees throughout his career and then also 355 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 5: with Phillies, so not only the New York media market, 356 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 5: but also the Philly media markets. So maybe you just 357 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 5: rough around the edges and he's you. 358 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: Know, uh, I don't know what the term I'm looking for, 359 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: but kind of uh, proactively being that way because he 360 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: assumes that maybe the media is not itspread here. The 361 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: media here is pretty new lax compared to what he's experienced, 362 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: so you know, I think he'll learn that. But yeah, 363 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: I think the last thing. 364 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 5: I want to say that I don't know if I 365 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 5: got my point across before, was yes, we'll talk about 366 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: the offense, but his job as the closer, and I 367 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: know he came in the eighth thing. So it wasn't 368 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 5: tykeling the closer in this spot, but your job as 369 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 5: the high leverage guy used to perform well in whatever 370 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 5: situation the team gives me. 371 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: You know, sorry is one nothing, but it's your job 372 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: to get the job done no matter what situation the 373 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: team puts you in. 374 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: I agree with what you said, and you know, and 375 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: we spoke about this, but it's the Dodgers, Crutchick. That 376 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: line from top to bottom is probably arguably one of 377 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: the best in baseball, maybe number two behind the Graves. 378 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: That then we're gonna score a run at some point 379 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: and maybe off. 380 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 5: This was the only uh blown save or rather I 381 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 5: guess just blown lead that he's had since he's been here. 382 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be feeling this way, But what is he now? 383 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: Two and three? 384 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: Like he's he's saves be really bad. He's been really 385 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: good regardless of them, and I'll check right out. But 386 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: I know he hasn't been good. But even two of 387 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: the saves, he two of his more impressive saves, if 388 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: you want to call it that, and Cincinnati he all 389 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: out a runner in each. 390 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: Of those and he really need to work out of it. 391 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: He hasn't had a clean eighth or ninth inning, I 392 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: believe since he got to Miami. Well, yeah, first one, first. 393 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 5: One, okay, and we thought we were watching the next 394 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 5: Mariano Rivera, and lately it's looking. 395 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I know you're gonna say. 396 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, for those who have been Marlins fans for 397 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: a while, I don't want to say stage out Vill, 398 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: but it's kind of that way a little bit, just 399 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: a little bit for was to watch the team for 400 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: a while and we're there in twenty sixteen, like you 401 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: could have also and I know what Skip was going 402 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: with when you know, obviously you want to go to 403 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: this guy in this position. But to crutch its point, 404 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: they brought him into close games not to pitch in 405 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: the eighth inning. 406 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: They should have gone to a certain degree. You could 407 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: have gone Tanner to set it up, followed by David Robertson. 408 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: That was the point. I know. 409 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: It was a matchup thing. Why they brought to Robertson 410 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: before they wanted to. I believe it was like they 411 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: wanted Scott to face Freeman and Mookie, like I don't know, man, 412 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: I just didn't agree too much with Robertson there in 413 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: the eighth regardless. Sometimes it's more of like, forget the matchup, 414 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: go with what you've gone with. I it a broke, 415 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: don't fix it. Tanner Scott has been amazing. The eighth 416 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: has been great all year. 417 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: Why don't just keep it like that? 418 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 419 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 5: And uh Skip has done that before. I remember when 420 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 5: aj Puck was still technically the closer, they had him 421 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 5: go in the eighth and Tanner Scott one the ninth 422 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 5: against the rocking is because he said there was a 423 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 5: very specific part of the order where it came up 424 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 5: he was putting uh Puck instead. So I think that 425 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 5: that's pretty much. 426 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: What happened on the weekend. No, yeah, what happened? Yeah, 427 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: all right, regardless of what ending your pitching and high 428 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: leverage is high leverage, yeah right. 429 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: All I'll say is the thinking behind that is the 430 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: simplest way to explain what what. 431 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 4: Skip was saying. 432 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: I don't know if he actually said this himself, is 433 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: that Tanner Scott is the guy. Tanner Scott is the 434 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: best reliever in this bullpen. And I think anybody who 435 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: has watched his team would be on the same page 436 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: about that, especially recently. And Robertson is in their opinion, 437 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: you know the number two guy. So even though in 438 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: a lot of situations they'd still have Robertson closing in 439 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: this in this particular situation where it was clear that 440 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: the eighth inning had the bottom of the order, it 441 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: had who was it, keith Y Hernandez, it had Austin 442 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: Barnes who had to hit for himself and ended up 443 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 3: having the game tying buns hit that one one like 444 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: bad moment, and at that ending that actually wasn't Robertson's fault. 445 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 3: That was you gotta do some credits to Barnes and 446 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: have a little bit of an issue with Josh Bell 447 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: in the way that he tried to do a little 448 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: bit too much there. He just put it in the 449 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 3: situation where it was the bomb of the order coming 450 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: up in the eighth, which means Betts and Freeman in 451 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: the ninth, And that's why he made that one time 452 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 3: switch of having Robertson face the easier assignment with a 453 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: couple like right handed only guys in Barnes and Hernandez 454 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: in there and play that matchup. Yeah, I didn't have 455 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: a problem with the usage at all. It's just Robertson 456 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: didn't get the job done and again, I do think 457 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: that play and Josh Bell's role in that play that. 458 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: Made it even the lead. 459 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: Robertson was going to give up the lead, but the 460 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: fact that it also gave an extra ninety feet to 461 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: two other base runners made it that much of this 462 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: more stressful situation facing Mookie there and ultimately having the 463 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: game winning hit. So this wasn't one hundred percent on Robertson. 464 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: I will agree with everybody that his postgame comments were discouraging, 465 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: and the bottom line, I think this just reinforces though 466 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: that Tanner Scott is the number one guy in this pen, 467 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 3: and if you think that maybe the number one guy 468 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: should close games predominantly moving forward, I'm not going to 469 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 3: strongly disagree with that I felt, but this one wasn't 470 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: on Skip to me. This one is on Robertson, a 471 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: move that I think was pretty popular, including by myself. 472 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 3: I thought he would be kind of one of the 473 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: exceptions to the norm in terms of a reliever that 474 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 3: would make a really significant positive impact on this team. 475 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: But these guys are just really volatile. You just don't 476 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: know over the span of a couple of weeks what 477 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: you're gonna get from them. Even if his true talent 478 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: is great, even though his experience level is kind of 479 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: unparalleled among the relievers that were moved at the deadline. 480 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: It's you just never know exactly what you're getting with 481 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: a rental reliever, and they had to take a shot 482 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: and do something. And it's still time for him to 483 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 3: redeem himself. There's still a lot there's more opportunities for 484 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: him to pitch ahead. 485 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 4: Of him than behind him. Since the deadline. Yeah, so 486 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 4: far discouraging start. 487 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: The one thing I will say with the media thing, 488 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: and I do agree it was not the greatest comments 489 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: that he made. But he's coming from New York, where, geez, 490 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: that was not a good situation in terms of just 491 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: how many losses they were taking. And I know apparently, 492 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, everything was going on in the clubhouse. Maybe 493 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: that was the case, maybe it wasn't. But he's also 494 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: coming from the Yankees, the Cubs, the Phillies, all huge markets, 495 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: you know for baseball and media, and you know, just 496 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of you know, this is the first. 497 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: Time he's probably gone through those kind of struggles and 498 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: on the top of market. 499 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: And I know this was mentioned, but like you know, 500 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: just yeah, you kind of give it a break. But 501 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: at the same time that was not the greatest responses, 502 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: but gone Forth mentioned me, oh, Carter's here, this is 503 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: what I want to hear. Well, pile on to that 504 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: real quick. I just want to say a crutch. He 505 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: brought it up too that you know, maybe he kind 506 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: of just doesn't like media. He doesn't think the media 507 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: are his friends because of those past situations. 508 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: But when it comes to Miami media, I'm not gonna 509 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: say soft, but I think they give the most positive 510 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: coverage of like any team in the league, because there's 511 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of outlets to cover the team 512 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: for the most part. We yeah, no, we All of 513 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: our jobs are to report on the team, and the 514 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: coverage is pretty positive all things considered. I'd say your 515 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: big dream. 516 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: When it comes to covering this team, or probably MLB 517 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: dot Com, Miami Herald and us like our outlets probably 518 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: are at most games. 519 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: I would say we're at every single home game. We've 520 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: been on the road a lot this year. Jordan McPherson, 521 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: he's a beast. He's at literally almost every game. 522 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: MLB dot COM's got a presence MLB dot Com at 523 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: Miami Harald. They give really really positive coverage to the team, 524 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: and they both cover the team at a very positive light, 525 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: which of course pros and cons to that. 526 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: But I like the way they cover the team and 527 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: then us. 528 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: It's crazy to say, but we might be the most 529 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: negative ballot when it comes to covering the Marl and 530 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: you don't see this absolutely badging Robertson get. 531 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, we're the most negative, long shot. And I do 532 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: want to say real quick for you go aheah, great. 533 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 5: Robinson's been fine with the media until that interview, so 534 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 5: I do want to make that clear, like he's like, 535 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 5: he's been great. 536 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: We have spoken to him before and he's been fine. 537 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: Just that one interview. I just left the bad taste 538 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: by that, and he seems like a great Maybe. 539 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: It was his prostration too him. Maybe he took it 540 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: out because human emotions happened. 541 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: We're all human. I just don't like the way that 542 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: he handled it. 543 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: But given how long he's been doing it, let's say 544 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: a younger reliever like Scott went in there and blew up. 545 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: In front of the camera, like, okay, guy's not really 546 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: immediate trained yet. 547 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: He hasn't been in the league that long. This is 548 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: the first year that he's really been under the limelight, 549 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: so to speak. I mean, he struggled last year, but 550 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: no one was really like dying to go see Tanner 551 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: Scott's thoughts postgame. But this year, you know, he's kind 552 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: of taken the range as like the leader of this bullpen. 553 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: I feel like, no, if he wants to come in 554 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: and speak, he can speak to that as well. For 555 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: just how plugging an he is on that he's got 556 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: his podcast what are Relief? But ultimately, yeah, like our 557 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: point is, you know, none of us are really out 558 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: to get Robertson. 559 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we've all talked him at this point. 560 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: I talked to him. 561 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: He seemed like a good guy, gave me a good interview. 562 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: It's just a bad situation. He had a bad outing. 563 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: We've got to be willing to forgive and move on. 564 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time on the top, and 565 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: so we'll go to one other thing that it has 566 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: been bothering me as of late rotation. 567 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: Earlier in the year, it seemed like lazarro Brax and 568 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: you know, all these guys were really dialing in. 569 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: Sandy was the one struggling. Now the rules have kind 570 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: of flipped. 571 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: Surprisingly, Yeddar Perez has been the one consistency I feel 572 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: like since his call up and all of a sudden 573 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: feels like starting pitching has kind of done a decent 574 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: amount of the lose these games the past few days. 575 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: So Alex Carver's joined, I know you pay more attention 576 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: to the minor league side, but what do you think 577 00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: could happen. 578 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: With his bullpen? And you know what a need to 579 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: do to get together. Well, I'll agree with you that 580 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: Tanner Scott's the best member in this bullpen. He's definitely 581 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: the best pitcher in this bullpen. 582 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 7: What he's done this year is spectacular, very very good 583 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 7: as a two pitch pitcher, like we always talk about. 584 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 7: You know, has a very very good slider and can 585 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 7: throw a ninety. 586 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 2: Seven of my own r basketball and doesn't have up to. 587 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 7: One hundred actually and doesn't throw anything else but for 588 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 7: him to as we've if you look into his like 589 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 7: deeper into his stats, his ability to get ahead and 590 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 7: counts has really made the difference for him this year. 591 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: This guy should be closing games. I know they brought 592 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: Robertson in to do that job. 593 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 5: I get it. 594 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 7: This last game that you were talking about where where 595 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 7: he made those comments which I do want to say 596 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 7: something about that. But where he made this comment after 597 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 7: the game, Skip was like, yeah, we wanted him to 598 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 7: face certain batters and we. 599 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: Wanted to Scott to face certain batteries. That's fine. I 600 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: really don't put this on Skip at all. He had 601 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: a plan for how he was going into this and 602 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: he tried to execute that plan and Robertson screwed it up. 603 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: So that's happens. It's baseball. That happens. Guys are gonna 604 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: have their best stuff some days. 605 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 7: What's the difference where Robertson would either come in and 606 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 7: throw pitches down the heart of the plate in the 607 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 7: eighth or the ninth inning. 608 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: I think that that game still was going to go 609 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: into bad direction. 610 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 7: So what I would say is that the most consistent 611 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 7: member of this bullpen right now is not David Robertson. 612 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: It is Tanner Scott. And Tanner Scott has done everything 613 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: that he needs to do to earn his way to 614 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: close games. He should be he should be the closer 615 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: for the team going forward. 616 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 7: What I want to say, and I know you guys 617 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 7: already talked about it, what I want to say about 618 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 7: this These. 619 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: Comments from Robertson to the media after that game. I 620 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: do want to say something about this. Totally unacceptable, is 621 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: number one. Let's talk about any other job. We've all 622 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: had jobs in our life, right. We all have jobs now, right, 623 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: or a. 624 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 2: Lot of us many of us do. So, we all 625 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: have jobs. 626 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 7: We all have bosses danswer too. We all have things 627 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 7: that go wrong. When when you do something wrong at work, 628 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 7: you screw up, you make a mistake, right, same could 629 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 7: be said for baseball. 630 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: You make a mistake, you commit to improvement. For him 631 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: to stand up in front of the media and say 632 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: that there is nothing that he can. 633 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 7: Do better, that there's nothing I can do better. They're 634 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 7: just better than me, and there's nothing I can do better, 635 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 7: and I'm gonna be the same going forward. That is 636 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 7: the worst attitude for any employee to have anywhere. Forget baseball. 637 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 7: That is the worst attitude for any employee to have anywhere. 638 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 7: Just not being willing to admit that you did something 639 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 7: wrong and you need to do something better. 640 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: As long as he said that, it would have been fine. Yeah, 641 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have my best stuff today. I was struggling, 642 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, I was behinding counts. 643 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: I wasn't spinting my pitches on my corners because he 644 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: wasn't I was too over the plate, he was. 645 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: None of that was present, just that he didn't do 646 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: anything wrong at all, and the team. 647 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: That he was facing was just better than him. 648 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: Real bad and a really really rough look for any 649 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: employee to make. Forget baseball. Like I said, that is 650 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: a very bad way to go about failing at your job. 651 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: Saying that you didn't do anything wrong. Very disturbing. I 652 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: hated that, very very passionate about that. 653 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, commit to improvement, just say you're going to 654 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: be better tomorrow, like, do something like that. 655 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: None of that was said to the media that day. 656 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: They asked him multiple questions, Hey, do you think it 657 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: was this? Do you think was that? No, they were 658 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: just better. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. 659 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Horrible, real, real bad. One of the low lights of 660 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: the Marlin season. And this is from a new acquisition. 661 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 7: Whether that's because he came from New York or whatever, 662 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 7: I don't I don't care, Like that's it just can't 663 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 7: happen and very unexcused, inexcusable for that to happened from 664 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 7: this veteran picture. 665 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: Very disturbing, right, Sorry, all right, thank you for that. 666 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: I do want to touch on this rodcation like I had, 667 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: so I'll good Eli in this one because he watches 668 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: his starting pictures closer than. 669 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: Anyone starting pictures have struggled. Kevin didn't mentioned earlier. 670 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Maybe Thzard of stipping pitches a couple of long balls 671 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: from Braxton upcoming series, which we'll get to more extensively 672 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: here in a second. 673 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: Cueto Lizard of Sandy. Just what's kind of been happening 674 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: with the way that these pictures have been allowing runs. 675 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 3: Over this last week or so, I could say on 676 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: an encouraging note, I think Braxton has strained himself out, 677 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: like he was just fine in his outing yesterday, and 678 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: I think he was what he had that weird outing 679 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: the time before where he went five scoreless even though 680 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 3: he wasn't really striking anybody out. I'm the big mystery 681 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: is Lizardoah with Quato Cueto is an interesting one where 682 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: obviously he has been better than I feared, you know, 683 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: I feared he was unplayable, and it turns out that 684 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: he is, you know, bad, but he's he's usable. He 685 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: at least eats innings, and he's relatively efficient and doing so. 686 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: He there is a job for him to do for 687 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: the moment on this team, as when he is your 688 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: like number five starter, then you're feeling good. The problem 689 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: is that Lizardo has been the worst starter on the 690 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 3: team for now the last few weeks, and it has 691 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: gone to it's not it's not just poor performances it now. 692 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: The one against the Astros was that particular ending was 693 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: extremely concerning, But I think you have to in watching 694 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: that back, it did seem that it was more so 695 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: about the Astros just coming in really prepared. I don't 696 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 3: know if it was him necessarily being a diminished version 697 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: of himself. It just seems like a team that plans 698 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: against him perfectly and was able to take advantage of 699 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: what he was going to throw in certain situations and 700 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: were able to do damage against it. Accordingly, I still 701 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: I hope that he can work past it. I don't 702 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: think it's as simple as him being fatigued and not 703 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: being able to like pitch anymore, just because he's reached 704 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: this endings number that he's never reached before. I think 705 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 3: it's a little bit more complex than that. I think 706 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: he still just take it start by start with him 707 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: but no doubt, it's just been this is it's been 708 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: a new challenge for him in that way, less more 709 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: so than the fatigue. It's just the fact that he's 710 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: had to pitch this often and that he has that opponents, 711 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: a lot of the opponents that he's faced. He's now 712 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: reaching a portion of the year where he's going to 713 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: be facing some familiar opponents that he's ready faced before 714 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: earlier in the season. That's a new challenge that he's 715 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: not accustomed to much whatsoever. Yeah, He's the big question 716 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: here is Lizardo, because they just don't have a great 717 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: alternative to it. The most likely one would be Edward Cabrera, 718 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: who himself was at the time of him getting sent down. 719 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: The issue was his bad control, and even though he's 720 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: had some success in Triple A, the control is still 721 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: not solved. That did not magically fix things. And yeah, 722 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: to me, like and once you get beyond him, it's 723 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: Ryan Weathers, it's Brian hoeing stretched out, it's trying to 724 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: stretch out George Soriano. They've already made a decision they're 725 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: not going to do that. They just want to use 726 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: him as a reliever. Then from there you go to 727 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 3: the non forty man options. 728 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: This is not. 729 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: Exactly a surprise that their rotation depth is a little 730 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: sketchy beyond these five main guys. They knew that at 731 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: the deadline ultimately didn't pull the trigger on a deal 732 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: that they liked at this moment, and that just means 733 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: that whenever one guy goes through a rut like this 734 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: that Lozardo is going through, it really puts you in 735 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: a very difficult position. I don't think I've seen suggestions 736 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: about sending down Lizardo. I don't for a brief period 737 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 3: of time at this point in the season, I don't 738 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: think you can afford to do that because that's a 739 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: minimum fifteen days that he's out of it, and that's 740 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: a big chunk of the rest of the season is 741 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: fifteen days and potentially three times through the rotation. 742 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: I think at least one. 743 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: More start they need to try to work through it 744 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: and make adjustments over whatever went wrong these past few outings. 745 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: And if it's yet another poor performance, then you really 746 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: look into the mirror and say that you have to 747 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 3: try something different, somebody different in that spot. No doubt 748 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: the next time that he pitches is going to be 749 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: highly scrutinized and extremely important to observe because the stuff 750 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: is still there, the willingness to use his full pitch 751 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: mix is still there, but in particular on his fastball, 752 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: it is getting hit really hard even when he is 753 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 3: locating it fairly well. So it's a very ill timed 754 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: slump and it puts a whole lot of pressure on 755 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 3: this lineup to be good every single night. And they 756 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 3: went through a stretch just a few days ago where 757 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: they put up big numbers four or five games in 758 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: a row, and then we just saw again on Saturday 759 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: that that's that even though this offense is improved, it's 760 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: not going to carry. 761 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 4: Them to the postseason. 762 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: This is a team that they need all aspects of 763 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: the team to be functioning well at the same time 764 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 3: in order for them to get where they're going. As 765 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 3: he said, yeah, the rotation at the moment is not 766 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 3: quite good enough one through five for them to get 767 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 3: where they're going. 768 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: And you mentioned, you know, replacement Eric Alex Carbo, and 769 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: you're the Marleague guy at kind of watch time into 770 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: what's he been like since his return to Jacksonville. 771 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 2: Good. He's actually been super solid again. 772 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 7: I had like double digits trackouts the other night that 773 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 7: this guy's been been pretty good with with Jacksonville. You know, 774 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 7: it's it's it's kind of puts me in that that 775 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 7: mind frame of that this guy could be that that 776 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 7: quad A player, And it sucks to say that because 777 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 7: they had high hopes for this guy, you know when 778 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 7: they first got him, and you know, even through his 779 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 7: injuries and stuff, they always had high. 780 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 2: Host for him. 781 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 7: He was as always had a really good work ethic 782 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 7: as what I would say for Edward Cabrera, which is 783 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 7: what kind of you know, puts them in a different 784 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 7: conversation than other players. I won't mention names, but he's 785 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 7: always had a good work ethic, he's always been able 786 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 7: to come back from injuries pretty advantageously. 787 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: But man, when it when he comes to the major leagues, 788 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: things just fall off with the control and command. 789 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: I mean, even with triple A. 790 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 7: What I would say Grant, even with Triple A is 791 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 7: that it's a lot of a lot more whiffs than 792 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 7: stuff that's getting dotted up and against major league hiders, 793 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 7: they're going to be a little bit more patient and 794 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 7: not swinging myths against so many pitches out of the zone. 795 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: So in triple A you kind of get away with, 796 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, not having the best control and still get swings. 797 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: And mythses, whereas in the majors you really need to. 798 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: Have that control amplified and at least be a bit 799 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: more closer to the zone. He has been, so he 800 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: still looked like the same pitcher in trouble A. 801 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 7: He's just really amplifying the stats because he's facing hitters 802 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 7: that are not as good as major league hitters, that's 803 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 7: the simple way to say it. But he's facing less 804 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 7: advanced hitters and he's getting away with control issues, but 805 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 7: the control issues are still there for sure. 806 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: I've seen Catcher set up for him well outside of 807 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: where a pitch winds up, so those. 808 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: Control issues are still there for Eddie. 809 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I really do think that this guy would benefit from 810 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: a transition to the bullpen. That would be my I still, 811 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: I still will stick to that opinion that this guy 812 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: is most usable and his most value can be gained 813 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: from pitcher. 814 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's argument like every single week, and he she 815 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: get at a bullpen. 816 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: But I guess I'll ask you real quick, you know 817 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: what kind of start would you want to see from 818 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: him in terms of command, not just not very what 819 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: type of adding would you like to see from him? 820 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 2: Both the Carver and Kevin. 821 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: Say, hey, ever, career is ready to go back, like 822 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: this is a major league pitture that you just pitched 823 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: his game. Well, start with what you can't see where 824 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: he goes from a start where he only walks to 825 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: he walks two guys, strikes out ten goes six innings, 826 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: doesn't allow a run, I believe, yeah, that was the case, 827 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: only allowed one hit, and then he goes into his 828 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: next start and allows five walks, two hits, two strikeouts, 829 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, two earned runs, seven hits. 830 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 2: That's what you can't see. 831 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: You kind of need to see, like those back to 832 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: back starts where he has those ten strikeout games, not 833 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: many walks. 834 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 2: You know, one or two is fine and he can 835 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: give you some length. 836 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he he was great against had started against 837 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: the Norfolk Tides, and he kind of sucked against the 838 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: Lay Valley iron Picks, which. 839 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: That's the start where he's allowed to most walks in 840 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: the minor league. Five walks. 841 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: You can't have that for met work and kind of 842 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: what Carver said, just just command issues are still their control. 843 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: You can make the case too there I don't know 844 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: if maybe it was more hell Faro catching him or 845 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: what's the case, but not good, not a good start 846 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: against the Iron Picks. And that was just I believe 847 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: the week after he was named International Player of the week. 848 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: So for International League Player of the week, that's kind 849 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: of like basically triple a picture of the week. 850 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: That's how they consider it. 851 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: So we'll see, we need those two start, you know, 852 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: we need a couple of starts in a row where 853 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: he kind of gives you you know, he just shuts 854 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: down the other team, doesn't walk. 855 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: Many guys get to a decent amount of strikeouts. 856 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: Obviously you don't need ten every night, but you'd you know, 857 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: seven six, seven would be nice. 858 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 2: But obviously you just wanted to work on that command 859 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: and that's the big thing right now. 860 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just it's just control issues that permeate for 861 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 7: this player and we continue to see it and it sucks. 862 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 7: But yeah, Kevin's right. I mean one started to get 863 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 7: ten shrink outs and looks great. 864 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 2: But again he was throwing a lot of stuff out 865 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: of the zone. He just got the whiffs. 866 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 7: But then in this next start, guys are a little 867 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 7: bit more patient and you see the walks come up. 868 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's control consistency. 869 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 7: That really needs to improve this picture for me to 870 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 7: buy back into him as a starter. 871 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 2: I didn't even though you give up five walks in 872 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: his last start. 873 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this now, and you know, obviously, when 874 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: you when you originally look at Jacksonville posting like the 875 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: final line, they obviously don't put the five walks in there. 876 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: They just put you know, like, oh, you only allowed 877 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: tour and then he struck out too, and oh that's 878 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: how about box score? 879 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: Brot the box score again? Yeah, then you look. I 880 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: didn't look at the bucks for now. I'm looking at 881 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: him like Jesus currency walked. 882 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 3: Five and has hit a better. There's a hit by 883 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: pitching there, and there's a wild and there's a wild 884 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 3: pitch in there. 885 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 886 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: Control is just that, I mean, it's always been his thing, 887 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: and honestly, it's like literally like it's something that he's 888 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: never been able to fully work out as the control problems. 889 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 2: It's it's been his main thing and it continues to be. Yes, 890 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: I know there's injuries mixed in there, but it sucks 891 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: to see it. 892 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: But it's been his thing for a long time and 893 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: it just hasn't gotten fixed, so it sucks. I would 894 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: like to see him in the bullpen and shorts. He 895 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: would be great for the bull phone when you think 896 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: of it. Just give him, you know, one or two 897 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,919 Speaker 1: inning out. He's not too much in terms of length, 898 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: more than not a long guy, but just given you know, 899 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of those high a little bit of high leverage 900 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: throw in there, it wouldn't hurt. 901 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 2: Obviously. It's another great arm ad, you know, pretty good 902 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 2: pitch mix. 903 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: He might be what what everyone thought six, though ituld 904 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: end up being started out as the start of a 905 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: transition to the bullpen. Obviously that guy's never touching me 906 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: baseball again. But I feel like Edward is closer to 907 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: that route than six or ever was. Don't worry he's 908 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: throwing up the dry mound eighty four. 909 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 2: They stopped giving us updates about him. An injury for it, 910 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: haven't they. No, they don't know the last. 911 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they said there like a thirty pitch, and I 912 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: think that's the most to be honest with thirty. 913 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's coming back any. 914 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: Type of se to the listeners, Yeah, not mean he's 915 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: anywhere close Carter or Kevin. 916 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 5: I I like the idea of putting Cabrato the bullpen 917 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 5: for a couple months now. But how does moving them 918 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 5: or moving him to the bullpens solve the control issues? 919 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: Though it's probably like less time for it to slip away, 920 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: because there's times where Edwards on it, you know, and 921 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: if you don't give him I guess long outings, it 922 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: won't kind of like deteriorate as you go. 923 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 2: I guess that's the good one way to put it. 924 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 3: I don't think the move to the bullpen is about 925 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 3: solving control issues. It's about putting you in a role 926 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 3: where control issues don't matter. It's putting you in a 927 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 3: role where you can walk a batter and ending and 928 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 3: those but those runs might not score when you're on 929 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 3: the mound because it's there only pitching one ending at 930 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 3: a time, and you still induce a whole lot of 931 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 3: soft contact. If you go in that roll and your 932 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 3: stuff ticks up a little bit, then you get more 933 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 3: swing and mess and more strikeouts, so more unproductive outs. 934 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 3: It's not about fixing his delivery. It's about putting him 935 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 3: in a situation where his flaws don't hurt the team, 936 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 3: where he's able to have success in those shorter outings 937 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 3: because he's able to air out the ball even more 938 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 3: and because he's in those situations where you don't need 939 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 3: to be efficient with your pitches. The huge issue with him, 940 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 3: even when it's even when he's not allowing a ton 941 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 3: of runs, it's the efficiency and the way that it 942 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: totally drains the bullpen and the combination of both that 943 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 3: and also his injury issues. 944 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 4: For whatever that's fine, I. 945 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 3: Always got really frustrated with the comps to Sandy because 946 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 3: Sandy is so super naturally durable, whereas Edward the seven 947 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: goes back his whole professional career to the miners, always 948 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 3: having little cuts and bruises and injuries. It's the blister 949 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 3: issue too, that in particular, ever since it got called 950 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 3: up from twenty twenty one, there were starts kit to 951 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 3: leave early due to blisters due to a certain number 952 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 3: of reps. And you know what, if you're only throwing 953 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 3: thirty pitches in an outing or less, then that blister 954 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 3: is not going to form on it. It forms because 955 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 3: of repetition and the way that you throw your ball, throw, deliver, grip, 956 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 3: and follow through on particular pitches. And that's less of 957 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 3: a problem, or perhaps not a problem at all, if 958 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: you're only used in shorter stints. He would not be 959 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 3: the first guy to go to the bullpen simply because 960 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 3: of a blister issue. If they have not solved it. 961 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 3: They've tried for a couple of years, and as we've 962 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 3: seen a couple of times this year. 963 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 4: It's still not solved. 964 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, not everybody's hands are designed exactly the same way 965 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 3: with him, so it's certainly moving forward in twenty twenty 966 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 3: four and beyond. I agree with Carver that's probably best. 967 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd trust him in that role 968 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 3: down the stretch this year if he's just never been 969 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 3: in that situation before. 970 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 4: I think we have J. T. 971 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 3: Shaugua about to come off the I L. We even 972 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 3: have Tommy Nance about to come off the IEL Like. 973 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 4: Those are guys that at. 974 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 3: Least are experienced relievers that also have some swing and 975 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 3: miss stuff. So I don't know how much Cabrera is 976 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 3: going to help them the rest of this year unless 977 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,959 Speaker 3: they absolutely need him in the rotation, unless they lose 978 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 3: a starter, or unless Lizardo really can't figure it out. Yeah, 979 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 3: I'm not counting on him down the stretch. 980 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, another thing I would. 981 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: Bring up about the rotation Brant really quick. Maybe a 982 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: question for any of you guys. Are you guys at 983 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: all worried about about Brack. 984 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 2: Since third time through the order? Because if you look 985 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 2: at split stat's his his third time through. 986 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: The order is he gets beat up. So what do 987 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: you guys think he has to do to improve in 988 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: that facet? Because I think that's kind of what's holding 989 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: him back a little. 990 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 7: But he's been great this year, but third time through 991 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 7: the order he's he's a little rough. 992 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Mookie got him in this second and third 993 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: times through the. 994 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 7: Order in his start, so the last start, So do 995 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 7: you guys think that holds him back a lot? 996 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 2: Because I think that that's one of the main fast 997 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: of his game that he really needs to improve. I'll 998 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 2: let the other guys answer this that in more detail. 999 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 5: But I notice that that's an issue that it seems 1000 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 5: like almost the entire rotation has some of them sticks 1001 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,959 Speaker 5: that issue a little bit, but it seems like every 1002 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 5: guy in the rotation has had that third time through 1003 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 5: the order issue. 1004 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 2: So I wonder if it is Bracton or if it's 1005 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 2: just an entire unit issue. 1006 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 3: All I know is we've seen skip managed practiced in 1007 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 3: that way, being having all that short leaves the third 1008 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 3: time through the order, and early in the year there 1009 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 3: was complaints about it because they're taking him out too 1010 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 3: soon and taking him out too soon he's cruising, But yeah, 1011 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 3: that's what the number show, and a lot of pitchers 1012 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 3: have problems being effective that time through the game, and 1013 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 3: especially in these coming days as their bullpen gets closer 1014 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 3: to full strength. I think they're in a situation where 1015 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 3: they also because of the off days that they've had 1016 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 3: recently and they have coming up, like, I think he's going. 1017 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 4: To continue to be managed that way. 1018 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 3: Going on top of that the fact that he's now 1019 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 3: pitching endings that he hasn't pitched before in a single 1020 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 3: season as well, they want to make sure that he's 1021 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 3: still available as stark games all the way through the end. 1022 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 3: So that that's a great question moving forward in terms 1023 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 3: of assessing what his value is going to be to 1024 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 3: this scene, how he fits in on the rotation depth 1025 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 3: chart moving forward in twenty twenty four. But for the 1026 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 3: rest of this year, I think that's you. Just with 1027 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 3: that in mind, I think Braxton's going to be continued 1028 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 3: to be on that short leash whether it's due to 1029 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 3: times through the order or simply a number of like 1030 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 3: a general pitch count that they don't want him to 1031 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 3: go beyond. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm fine with that. I 1032 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 3: don't want I don't think we should get greedy because 1033 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 3: he has already surpassed a lot of people's expectations in 1034 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. You know, he's keep doing what he's doing, 1035 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 3: and I would give Skip permission to keep managing the 1036 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 3: way that he manages Braxton in terms of having him 1037 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 3: on that leash. 1038 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm just gotten, like, know what could 1039 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 2: they get out of the sky in the future. And 1040 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 2: he's been great this year, but he's gonna have to 1041 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 2: fix out if he hopes. 1042 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: To become even more Anyways, Shagua, you talked about the 1043 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: bullpen getting back to full strengths. 1044 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 2: Shagua, he pitched was it last night or the night 1045 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 2: before for Jupiter? Geez? I know it's against single A hitters, 1046 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,479 Speaker 2: but man, this lighter looks nasty. They're gonna like getting 1047 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 2: that back. So I think he's all right. We'll move ahead. 1048 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 2: Here went a little longer but smaller crowded days. 1049 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: I don't justicipate as many questions, although anyone who wants 1050 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: to ask questions can't. We'll go week ahead here, lighter 1051 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: a week on paper on paper for the borrow, and 1052 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: still will have maybe some weather trouble this week in 1053 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: San Diego. 1054 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll have Isaaca Zuit there. We're in 1055 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 2: a stretch right now where fish. 1056 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: On first member has been at like pretty much almost 1057 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: every single game since mid July up until be ond 1058 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: of this next home stand. So follow Isaac for his 1059 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: coverage there. Alextra base out there as well. Danny Apera 1060 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: is very good. 1061 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 5: At what he does. 1062 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 2: But we'll talk. We'll go with San Diego here, come 1063 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 2: back home. 1064 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,280 Speaker 1: Against the national San Diego pitching lineup, Cueto, Wizardo, Sandy, 1065 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,959 Speaker 1: so another chance to see Sandy against a West team. 1066 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,879 Speaker 1: Lozarto all eye on that start, and then Cueto takes 1067 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: on Blake's snell. 1068 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 2: I don't know who's pitching for San Diego those next. 1069 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: Two games, so I'll go to Kevin here. Big Big 1070 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: Series wild card race has gotten tight. There's five teams 1071 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: competing for two spots now. With San Francisco in the 1072 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: midst of a rougher stretch, Diamondbacks have brought themselves back 1073 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: into it. Cubs, the Reds, the Marlins. I mean they're 1074 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: all like basically the same team right now and record wise. 1075 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: So emphasizes the importance for me of this series and 1076 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: then go a little more at that funto man, this 1077 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 1: is it's a huge series. 1078 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,400 Speaker 2: When you look at kind of the pitching matchups, Miami 1079 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 2: is probably the best. You know, obviously loses the pitch, 1080 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 2: not loses. They have the better pictures going in this series. 1081 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: I know Cuato goes tomorrow, apparently Lozardo on the O 1082 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: Contra you you go against Bleak Snow, which is the 1083 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: best picture you'll see, but also against Rich Hill, Seth Lugo. 1084 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,439 Speaker 2: This is huge. 1085 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if San Diego still finds himself in 1086 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: the playoff hunt, correct me if I'm wrong, But. 1087 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 2: If they don't. If they do, this could be Miami's 1088 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 2: chance to kind of just officially knock them out of it. 1089 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: And man, you know, obviously, despite just about how underwhelming 1090 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: they've been this season in terms of the small success 1091 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: they've had this Litany Machada, this stuff, Andando Tatis, they 1092 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 1: still have Xander Brogart's They saw a really good team 1093 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: and their bullpen with Josh Hater Robert Suarez, I want 1094 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: to say, is already healthy. 1095 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 2: And good to go there. 1096 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: They have some guys in that bullpen. I mean, it's 1097 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: a really good team Miami. I do think it's a 1098 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: good chance to take take. 1099 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 2: Two out of three years, given just how much better 1100 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 2: Miami's pitching is when you look at it from side 1101 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 2: to side, and then. 1102 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: You will see gret Cooper again, so that's good news. 1103 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: I guess Grek Cooper maybe hits a walk off like 1104 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: we saw how far Ado last year. 1105 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 2: You never know. We'll see, but yeah, this is a huge, 1106 00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 2: serious grant if you need, if you need to take 1107 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 2: a series, it's this one. 1108 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: Obviously, when you look at just how the Dodgers wanted 1109 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: played out, you kind of felt like, man, if they 1110 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,799 Speaker 1: took two out of three on this one. 1111 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 2: Now they're rolling. But we'll see it. Obviously, we'll see 1112 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 2: what the weather permits for Miami. As as it was mentioned, 1113 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 2: there's a I think. 1114 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: It's Hurricane Hillary what it's called, that's heading over to 1115 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: that California era area. So that's why you kind of 1116 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: saw both games played yesterday in LA and an off 1117 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: day today. I guess for teams to travel from one 1118 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: place to another. Miami, I believe went by bus from 1119 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: what we were told. So they are in San Diego 1120 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: and we'll see if they play tomorrow. I guess you 1121 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: could say every game right now is pretty questionable. We'll 1122 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: see if they reschedule those. But at the moment, yeah, 1123 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: I grant this is a huge series, really good San 1124 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: Diego team on paper, not too good on you know, 1125 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,839 Speaker 1: record wise. But if there's a series throughout this whole 1126 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: road trip that I you know, I kind of told 1127 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: myself they're probably going to think two out of three, 1128 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: it's this one, and it could kind of tell you 1129 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: where I'm going with my serious prediction tomorrow. 1130 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 3: And they slipped the series, I think that essentially knocks 1131 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 3: the Padres out of contention. That's they're five games back 1132 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 3: of the Marlins, and there's a bunch of teams in 1133 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 3: between them as well. They are double check, are they 1134 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 3: like tenth in the National League record wise? They are 1135 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 3: way back there, yea. 1136 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 2: Three. 1137 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 4: Currently they're one game ahead of the Mets. Do I 1138 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 4: have that right? 1139 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 3: That's somehow possible they're one game ahead of the Mets. 1140 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 3: The Padres, the Mighty Padres. Yes, they are teetering. They 1141 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 3: have been playing uninspired the last couple of days, right 1142 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 3: during this doubleheader, really deflating for them, even more so 1143 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 3: than was for the Marlins. 1144 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, they are. 1145 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 3: They're not a great team on anything right now in 1146 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 3: terms of they just have guys that have good career 1147 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,919 Speaker 3: numbers in the first half of their lineup. But I've 1148 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 3: lost I've lost almost all respect for this team, Like 1149 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 3: the Marlins are a better team than the Padres are. 1150 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, so it is really a situation where if 1151 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,359 Speaker 3: you sweep the series, you're not them. You don't even 1152 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 3: have to think about them moving forward. At the same time, 1153 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 3: that's not really a realistic expectation for any road series 1154 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 3: against anybody for a team. 1155 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 4: That is it does still have the ability that they have. 1156 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, the Padres are. They have been really throughout 1157 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 3: the year. They're still in the short list the most 1158 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 3: disappointing teams in all of baseball. And I don't think 1159 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 3: they're a team that even internally feels a whole lot 1160 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 3: of confidence about them contending the rest of the way. So, yeah, 1161 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 3: take care of business against this team at least two 1162 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 3: out of three. 1163 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,800 Speaker 1: All Right, that being said, we're gonna get into the 1164 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: best part here fan questions. 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And in the event where we have 1219 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 1: a guest with us, like Craig Mincher and the off season, 1220 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, maybe we get a guess 1221 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: that's involved with the Marrons player coach. I don't know 1222 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 1: you would want to be there for that. So we're 1223 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna bring in a Ryan Now. 1224 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 2: Who's has been a super subscriber for a while. Mike 1225 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 2: Eli said, it's on our website. Just go do it. 1226 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 2: Pretty easy process there, got right loading you. Of course, you. 1227 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,320 Speaker 1: Don't have to be a super subscriber to speaking these spaces. 1228 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 1: Anyone can request if you've got a Marron's question or 1229 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: baseball question. The first and foremost, we're all baseball fans. 1230 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: We'll answer them all, will answer them all, right, Still loading. 1231 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 4: In is he there for you guys, he's there for me. 1232 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 2: No. 1233 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,719 Speaker 3: I think we've learned that if there's I'll have the 1234 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 3: requests again. Second, hold on, I. 1235 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 2: Brought I brought in cold cool. I jumped the gun 1236 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 2: on you, my man. Right now, we got we got 1237 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 2: Cole here. Okay, you know what, We're just gonna let 1238 00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 2: him go just just because. 1239 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:08,240 Speaker 6: Yep, come in to live from Hurricane Hillary or trouble 1240 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 6: Storm Hillary over in LA. 1241 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 2: Got to watch the Dodgers on. 1242 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 6: Spectrum Sportsnet as opposed to MLB TV, So that was 1243 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 6: a change of pace. Also, just survived the hur equip 1244 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 6: that we just had over here. But anyway, my question 1245 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,280 Speaker 6: that I wanted to ask was, it's. 1246 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 2: A bit of a delayed question from last week. I 1247 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 2: was unable to make that. 1248 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 6: That session, but when we played the Yankees kind of 1249 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 6: got my feelings a little bit about Stanton. So just 1250 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 6: one question is, if he continues his current pace, is standing. 1251 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 2: Going to be a Hall of Famer. I kind of 1252 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 2: feel like the answers know he's only one hundred and 1253 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,120 Speaker 2: four home runs away from his five hundred club, but 1254 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 2: I feel like just everything else you know about his 1255 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 2: resume as it stands so far as pretty weak. 1256 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 6: The Yankees want to move on from him tens off 1257 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 6: season if they can at all, So well, what. 1258 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:11,720 Speaker 3: Day, you guys. I meant to put out an article 1259 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 3: before he came to town about his status, because this 1260 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,800 Speaker 3: is the year where you can clearly see he's in 1261 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,800 Speaker 3: the decline phase. It's not only about being hurt and 1262 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,439 Speaker 3: being unavailable, but now that he's at a phase where 1263 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,320 Speaker 3: he's an extremely one dimensional player, which obviously was not 1264 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 3: the case when they traded him. So it's been a 1265 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 3: disappointing tenure for him by the crazy standards that he 1266 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 3: set for himself. 1267 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 4: When coming to New York. 1268 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 3: But he'd been great for them in the postseason, and 1269 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 3: now if it's a point where now the team is 1270 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 3: very doubtful to even make it to the postseason, for 1271 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 3: him to show up his clutch gene. 1272 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 4: He entered today he was hitting under two hundred. 1273 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,919 Speaker 3: That is, forget that we already know doesn't walk a ton, 1274 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 3: and even he hits a lot of homers, but very 1275 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,319 Speaker 3: little other productive hits when they're not going over the wall, 1276 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 3: like he's he's a replacement level player. At this stage, 1277 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 3: was still four guaranteed years left on that deal. A 1278 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 3: Yankees might try to trade him. I mean, he still 1279 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,759 Speaker 3: has a no trade clause that still followed him to 1280 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 3: his new team, so he doesn't have to go anywhere, 1281 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 3: let's he approves it, and his contract is so far 1282 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 3: under water compare even as poorly off as the Marlins 1283 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 3: are with Avi Garcia right now, his contract has a 1284 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 3: lot more value than Stanton's does, just because of the 1285 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 3: length and the money attached to it. I do want 1286 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 3: to remind people that the Marlins are still on the 1287 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 3: hook for thirty million dollars that is owed to him 1288 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,439 Speaker 3: on the back end of this deal, so that money 1289 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 3: comes due the first of it in twenty twenty six. 1290 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 3: That'll be pretty interesting when he is one of the 1291 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 3: highest running players on the Marlins payroll in a few 1292 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 3: years of one. They're finally making good on that part 1293 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 3: of the trade. But to answer your question, I think 1294 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 3: he's gonna fall a little bit short. I am, because 1295 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 3: he's just the lack of availability to this point, and 1296 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,760 Speaker 3: now he's reached the stage of his career where history 1297 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 3: tells you that players his size like it can go 1298 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 3: pretty quickly and it doesn't sometimes doesn't really come back. 1299 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 3: So even though I think he'll be better than this 1300 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three self moving forward, and he's gonna get 1301 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 3: plenty of opportunities to play, whether it's with the Yankees 1302 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 3: or with another team for the near future. Yeah, it's 1303 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 3: gonna be kind of depressing just to follow the chase 1304 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 3: to five hundred, which is such an arbitrary, an amazing number. 1305 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 3: But I don't even think that's gonna salvage things unless 1306 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 3: he is a really unlikely turn around. So it's possible, 1307 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 3: but I would say he's a very fringy Hall of 1308 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 3: Fame candidate. 1309 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 2: Carver is gonna destroy me, but it may end up 1310 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 2: being like I'm not going to compare to the Gary. 1311 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 1: Sheffield, but that situation where he's just short and obviously 1312 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: kind of what he lives. 1313 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,160 Speaker 2: Said, he's kind of been deteriorating in terms of his 1314 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 2: health where he's always injured. He can't run like he 1315 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 2: used to. It's not the stand we remember. 1316 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 1: So I think that's about Eli put it in the 1317 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: best way, And I was surprised he never released stand article. 1318 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 2: Just I guess you've never got around it. Any other questions, 1319 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 2: my man. 1320 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I do have a question, like if we assuming 1321 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 6: we can't make a trade for him by. 1322 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 2: The in the off season. Is it just time to 1323 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 2: straight up cut abby? Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes. I 1324 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna be on the roster of think 1325 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty. 1326 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: Four I don't believe that there already cutting play time 1327 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: and people are so mad that he does get any 1328 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: playing time and he kind of playing just a. 1329 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 2: Little bit, But yeah, you're. 1330 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: Not playing him like a guy who's on a fifty 1331 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: three million dollars contract. He's I think he's gone before 1332 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: the calendar hit to twenty twenty four. 1333 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be an interesting situation if they had, 1334 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 3: like a conventional top prospect who as an outfielder at 1335 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,680 Speaker 3: Triple A right now, that would push him for Like 1336 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 3: you can make a case that they should get rid 1337 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 3: of him right now that they really can afford any 1338 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 3: of his empty at bats at this stage of the season, 1339 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,520 Speaker 3: and I think Dane Meyers just falls a little bit 1340 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,440 Speaker 3: below that line, Like I don't know if you can 1341 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 3: totally justify doing that, like getting rid of him just 1342 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 3: to bring up Myers, who was slumping himself before they 1343 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 3: sent him down. But if it was somebody like that 1344 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,680 Speaker 3: who he felt super duper sure would be at least 1345 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 3: an average ish corner outfielder. That's a big upgrade over 1346 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 3: what they're getting from AVI. You just look at the 1347 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 3: overall numbers, it's they're almost exactly the same on a 1348 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 3: rate basis as they were before his injury, which are 1349 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 3: almost the same as they were all of last year. 1350 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 3: So just yeah, mentally disappointing. I also am relatively confident 1351 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,960 Speaker 3: that they're going to suck it up and cuts highs 1352 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 3: this offseason. 1353 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is obvious always you know, 1354 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 1: not obviously what he's doing in the field is not 1355 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: the greatest, but you know he's been. He's always one 1356 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 1: of the first out there in early VP's always taking VPID. 1357 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 2: You know, he's he's guys. I'm pretty sure people in 1358 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 2: the clubhouse like and for the most part, so I'll 1359 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 2: give them credit. Credit to the guys. One of the 1360 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,560 Speaker 2: hardest workers in that in that twenty six men roster. 1361 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 2: You can even argue the organization just sucks. That hasn't 1362 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,680 Speaker 2: you know, worked out for him because when Miami brought 1363 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 2: him in. 1364 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean they thought they were bringing in a really 1365 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 1: good player or for the most part, you know, over 1366 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:18,360 Speaker 1: league average. 1367 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 2: It gives you the homers, gives you you know, I'll 1368 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 2: boost in the offense. Unfortunately hasn't been the case. But 1369 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,680 Speaker 2: he's a very hard work Yes, obvious is gone to 1370 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,520 Speaker 2: answer that question. 1371 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,920 Speaker 7: I mean, I really hope the Marlins get into this, 1372 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 7: not only at the major league level, but also at 1373 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 7: the minor league level. I hope they get into this, 1374 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 7: into this mindset of they've got to start cutting bait. 1375 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,720 Speaker 2: Like guys that just don't work out. It happens. It 1376 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,919 Speaker 2: happens to baseball. Guys just don't work out where there's 1377 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 2: money involved. 1378 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 7: Though, that's where it's gonna be harder for the Marlins 1379 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,280 Speaker 7: to do it because of their financial situation. But when 1380 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,720 Speaker 7: you have a guy that's making the money that he 1381 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,200 Speaker 7: is and taking up a spot, there's. 1382 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 2: Just no excuse for it. You can also, i mean, 1383 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 2: without the money in the question, at the minor league. 1384 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 7: Level, you can also see similar things happening where you know, 1385 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 7: they see some value in eyes, but they're not providing 1386 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 7: much and they're just still holding onto them. 1387 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 2: So there's also that. 1388 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,560 Speaker 7: So the overall ideology needs to be present here that 1389 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 7: when guys don't work out that happens in baseball, you 1390 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 7: need to be able to move on from that and 1391 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 7: hopefully we start seeing that shortly. 1392 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 2: Hopefully we see that with with Garcia. 1393 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 7: I mean, it's sucks to say that because I like 1394 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 7: Gobby Garcia, but just hasn't worked out on the field 1395 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 7: for him. The only thing I will say, Kevin, from 1396 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,920 Speaker 7: what you said before, if Garrett Sheffield's not a Hall 1397 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 7: of Famer. And yes, I know the Mitchell Report, I yes, 1398 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 7: get that out of the way. 1399 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,000 Speaker 2: Yes, I know. 1400 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,640 Speaker 7: There's no possible way that Mike Stanton gen Carlo Stanton 1401 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:36,920 Speaker 7: is a Hall of Famer. 1402 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 2: Sheffield was a much more complete player, you know. 1403 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,200 Speaker 1: And it's just it's the injury history for Stanton is 1404 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,680 Speaker 1: just so like the laundry list of injuries. So I 1405 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,680 Speaker 1: don't think Stanton is a Hall of Famer at all. 1406 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,640 Speaker 7: Yes, he hits a lot of home runs, but I 1407 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 7: don't think he's even close to being a Hall of 1408 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:53,439 Speaker 7: Famer at this point. 1409 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 2: All Right, any other questions cold, we got right on deck. 1410 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I do have a couple, but if you 1411 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 2: want me to be polite, I'll be polite and jump off. 1412 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 2: But we got tired. You got one more go ahead, 1413 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 2: I guess for. 1414 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,680 Speaker 6: A fish on the farm guy, and to we can 1415 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,720 Speaker 6: answer this question to this trade deadline. You know, we 1416 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 6: kind of like Bemoan the lack of a good farm 1417 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,960 Speaker 6: at least in terms of town that we can trade. 1418 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,080 Speaker 2: So I'm just curious at this point in our farm. 1419 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 6: System, how much is on Kim and Hurry and how 1420 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,800 Speaker 6: much is what percentage left over. 1421 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 2: Is you know, the remnants of the sense of the Jeter, 1422 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:43,080 Speaker 2: Denbo and Hill. Sorry, I don't know if I understand 1423 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,400 Speaker 2: this question. You're asking. 1424 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 6: How much of the of the of the farm system 1425 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,600 Speaker 6: is made up of Kim's players that she chosen and drafted, 1426 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,800 Speaker 6: and how much is like leftover from you know, Denbo, 1427 01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 6: Jeter and Hill. 1428 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: How much people are left from that? Yeah, like, yeah, 1429 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:08,480 Speaker 1: you're that ballpark percentage it. Oh, I think almost everyone's 1430 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 1: gone if I'm correct. 1431 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,280 Speaker 2: Well mm hmm that if you're talking about staff, I 1432 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 2: know DJ is still there. If you want to mention, 1433 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,240 Speaker 2: what about the players is what I'm also saying. Oh, players, players, players, 1434 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 2: I think they're all gone. Well, like Victor the Mason, 1435 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 2: the younger Mason Bros. Still there, though younger Mason Bros. 1436 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:29,520 Speaker 2: Still there. 1437 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I think most of the Triple A guys are Oh, okay, 1438 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about minor leaguers so from that era are 1439 01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,439 Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, I can't. 1440 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,880 Speaker 2: I don't know about I don't don't know if I 1441 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 2: could give. 1442 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,439 Speaker 7: You like percentage of like here's who still here from 1443 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 7: Denbo era, and here's who's not here anymore since they 1444 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 7: moved on from Denbo. What I can say is that 1445 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,600 Speaker 7: ideology has definitely changed in there, and in the minor 1446 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,560 Speaker 7: league organization, they've gone a lot more analytically driven, is 1447 01:04:58,600 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 7: what I would say. 1448 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 2: They're like, I remember going to FCL back then it 1449 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 2: was a GCL. 1450 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,960 Speaker 7: I remember going to GCL games a few years ago 1451 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 7: and there was like one or two people behind the plate. 1452 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,640 Speaker 7: Now they have track man set up everywhere, they have 1453 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 7: repsodos set up everywhere. They're really really looking at computer 1454 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,960 Speaker 7: generated information on these guys. There's a lot more analytically 1455 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,160 Speaker 7: driven conversations surrounding minor league players, like the If you 1456 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 7: know Roger and Chevrolet Stadium, you know. 1457 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 2: That there's a tower behind home plate. That tower used 1458 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,800 Speaker 2: to have maybe one or two people on it. 1459 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,520 Speaker 7: Me and keV did Noble mileage for Noble Miners first start, 1460 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,800 Speaker 7: and keV can tell you himself that they're that entire 1461 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 7: like tower was full of people with laptops and computers. 1462 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 7: So what I would say is is they've gone a 1463 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,360 Speaker 7: lot more analytically driven. The mindset around this organization has 1464 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 7: definitely changed since den Bo has left, and that's because 1465 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,920 Speaker 7: of things that are being done here by Hector and 1466 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,360 Speaker 7: you know Adrian on the international side and his entire staff. 1467 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 2: So their their entire staff, I should say. So, yeah, 1468 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:58,760 Speaker 2: there's there's definitely. 1469 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,680 Speaker 1: A switch in mindset here towards more so the modern 1470 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: development of players versus the old time development of players 1471 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,960 Speaker 1: that Denvo was still holding on. 1472 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,840 Speaker 7: To captain's camp has gone. That doesn't exist anymore. But 1473 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,400 Speaker 7: I don't think I mean I think that I thought 1474 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,160 Speaker 7: that was cool, but I don't think. 1475 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 2: I don't think I was struggling by not having that. 1476 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 2: So it was cool. 1477 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:18,920 Speaker 1: It was cool to see it. 1478 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 2: I mean, they got time around big league players. 1479 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 7: But those guys who earned the time around big league 1480 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,080 Speaker 7: players in spring training are going to get that experience. 1481 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,960 Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's still there, it's just not 1482 01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,800 Speaker 2: in the captain's camp format that Denbo had envisioned. 1483 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: What I can what I can tell you overall, though, 1484 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: is that there's definitely a switch and mindset. 1485 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,640 Speaker 2: Like I said, they're a lot more modernized now, and I. 1486 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,960 Speaker 7: Think it's working out for the best because I really 1487 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 7: like what I'm seeing and hearing from a lot of 1488 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,320 Speaker 7: people in this organization with how they're developing players now 1489 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 7: versus how they were doing it before. 1490 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,320 Speaker 2: And I think you'll start to see that shortly. 1491 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean, definitely continue to see it on the pitching side, 1492 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: but I think you've already started to see it on 1493 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,360 Speaker 1: the offensive side as well, especially with some of the 1494 01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,560 Speaker 1: younger players in the organization. 1495 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,960 Speaker 2: So I can't give you exact percentages. 1496 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I like guys that are still here versus guys that aren't, 1497 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,360 Speaker 1: but I can tell you that the ideology is definitely 1498 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: different and for the better. 1499 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just kind of talking about like the way, like. 1500 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 6: You could say, Kim Froll, you owns the farm and 1501 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,520 Speaker 6: now in the way and the players that are there. 1502 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 2: But thank you for the insight the way. Appreciate you 1503 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,320 Speaker 2: speaking just out of what Carver was saying. With the 1504 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,080 Speaker 2: just the things that they've added. 1505 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you mentioned this, Carver, but you 1506 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: know they made these new nice dugouts in the back 1507 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 1: where they're playing now you also see all the cameras 1508 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 1: that they have said, So, you know, obviously when we 1509 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,400 Speaker 1: get the footage, we get it from that, you know, 1510 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,520 Speaker 1: from the sources in the organization, from the people that 1511 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,320 Speaker 1: you know provided us footage. You know, that's the only 1512 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: reason why most of the time you see these minor 1513 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: leaguers post that footage on the internet. 1514 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't was that the case with 1515 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,520 Speaker 2: Dembo as well. 1516 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Out were their cameras, you know, kind of set up 1517 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,560 Speaker 1: almost everywhere where you could have where you could see. 1518 01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 2: All this footage and receipt footage. I think that's the 1519 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 2: other thing I would want to ask you out. 1520 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, not nearly to this extent, Kevin. I mean, they 1521 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: did have you know, track Man and repsodo and stuff 1522 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 1: like that, but they're looking into the data a lot 1523 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,040 Speaker 1: more now. 1524 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,240 Speaker 7: And that's I mean from what we've seen out you know, 1525 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,959 Speaker 7: at those games and Jupiter Games as well, there's people 1526 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,240 Speaker 7: there as well where they're setting up these things like 1527 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 7: much much in an advance of games actually starting. 1528 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,880 Speaker 2: They're actually going out there and setting. 1529 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,519 Speaker 7: Up multiple cameras, multiple different devices to use for tracking 1530 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 7: of these things. It's it's definitely definitely enhanced in recent years. 1531 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,559 Speaker 2: Since since since certain moves have happened. 1532 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 7: So that's what I meant to say is that it's 1533 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,560 Speaker 7: a lot more modernized approach to player development than it 1534 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,519 Speaker 7: used to be. And I think you could start it. 1535 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,040 Speaker 7: You can start at least to see, you know, that 1536 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,240 Speaker 7: start to pay off for the Marlins. You know, whether 1537 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 7: you like analytics or hate them, it's working. I think 1538 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,760 Speaker 7: it's working better than the approach that Denbo had, which 1539 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,360 Speaker 7: is more of an old time approach. Like I said, 1540 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,400 Speaker 7: and you know recent moves that have been made, you know, 1541 01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 7: there's there's yeah, there there are quite different players. They're 1542 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,960 Speaker 7: they're they're going after different types of skill sets. They're 1543 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,400 Speaker 7: not going after guys that can only do one thing 1544 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 7: or have one tool. They're going after guys so they 1545 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,000 Speaker 7: think can do multiple things. 1546 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,479 Speaker 1: And that's because of the research that they've done in 1547 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: a much different way than they used to do it. 1548 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 7: So it's definitely different for sure, from when I first 1549 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,200 Speaker 7: started covering the ORG. It's it's it's way different than 1550 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:21,720 Speaker 7: it used to be. 1551 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,400 Speaker 2: So it's a modernized approach. 1552 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 7: I don't understand a lot of it because I'm not 1553 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,479 Speaker 7: in that position, but it's definitely modernized. 1554 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 2: And it's a it's it's definitely cool to see that 1555 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 2: at least start to pay off that they're what they're 1556 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,599 Speaker 2: doing is actually working. It's correct if I'm wrong. 1557 01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Still, No, it's no one has actually taken Denbo's spot yet, right, Yeah, 1558 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,679 Speaker 1: they didn't hire for that exact spot, like his exact title. 1559 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,320 Speaker 7: The guy in charge now, like the overall guy that's 1560 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,719 Speaker 7: technically in charge of player development, would be Hector Crespo. 1561 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's a lot of other people involved as well. 1562 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,760 Speaker 1: But no, nobody took on Denbo's like exact title. So 1563 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: you're right, that's probably more of a group effort right now. 1564 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,479 Speaker 1: All right, Ryan's here, Ryan, I apologize about the way 1565 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,360 Speaker 1: man just goes trade until it give us your questions. 1566 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, guys, I have time. 1567 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:17,000 Speaker 8: So I wanted to ask y'all first about a player 1568 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 8: who I've recently actually randomly thought about, and his name 1569 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,200 Speaker 8: is Jordan Groshans. 1570 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,599 Speaker 2: What's up with him? Is he just gonna be one 1571 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,040 Speaker 2: of those. 1572 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,759 Speaker 8: Like players who's just like stuck in Triple A because 1573 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,439 Speaker 8: it seemed like there's a spawn on the roster for 1574 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 8: him for a while, and like he was one of 1575 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,680 Speaker 8: the Blue Jays top prospects when he got him, and 1576 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,280 Speaker 8: now it's. 1577 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 2: Just like I haven't really paid too much attention to his. 1578 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,120 Speaker 8: Stats because Edwards and Edwards and am I have well, 1579 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,000 Speaker 8: am my Husban good to some extent, Edwards has been 1580 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:43,320 Speaker 8: so good. 1581 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 2: Those have been the main focuses there. But what's going 1582 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,479 Speaker 2: on with the Groshans? Good question. 1583 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Just these are called jubile guy honestly came up to 1584 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,200 Speaker 1: the big leagues, had fairly good success and just han't 1585 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,559 Speaker 1: been really good since you know, defense was always an 1586 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:03,120 Speaker 1: issue for him. 1587 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 2: He was originally short stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong. 1588 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,240 Speaker 2: Josic third, he was there now they played him at first. 1589 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,240 Speaker 1: He's been kind of moving between third and first. They 1590 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,519 Speaker 1: were trying to guess they were trying to get him 1591 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: a fit on the roster at some point. But obviously 1592 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,080 Speaker 1: now you have Josh Bell, you agree out there, you 1593 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 1: also have a third, couple guys out there. 1594 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,439 Speaker 2: Uh, no real spot on for him on the roster. 1595 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,320 Speaker 2: And on top of that, he's been struggling this season 1596 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,240 Speaker 2: at the minor league level. 1597 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 1: You know, he still walks out a decent rate, a 1598 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,599 Speaker 1: pretty good rate for the most part, doesn't strike out much, 1599 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,919 Speaker 1: but still hitting under league average. 1600 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,519 Speaker 2: I mean he's hitting two forty one. 1601 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 1: He gets on the base ade a decent clip, uh 1602 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,519 Speaker 1: not much powerful erosion. It's only six homers on a year, 1603 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 1: which for him it's it's pretty impressive. I think the 1604 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,960 Speaker 1: second most homers he's had in his major league in 1605 01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,560 Speaker 1: his minor league career. Just not that good of a 1606 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,600 Speaker 1: ball player to be Honestly, he's a great guy. You know, 1607 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,840 Speaker 1: we've spoken and pass squalled him a lot through you know, 1608 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,240 Speaker 1: from spring training until now. He was a big fan 1609 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,519 Speaker 1: of Brank Brown. I can tell you that he was 1610 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: very excited, but just hasn't been able to find much 1611 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,559 Speaker 1: success at the at the minor league that obviously blocked 1612 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,639 Speaker 1: into He's kind of blocked right now. 1613 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,840 Speaker 2: And no real need to bring him up and come. 1614 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 1: Competitive stage that the Marlins are on, and we'll talk 1615 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,040 Speaker 1: more about him on the last episode. 1616 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 2: I would think of the Marlins minor league megapod we're 1617 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:15,919 Speaker 2: doing on storming Upstreams. 1618 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just say that Kevin is being two kuinds. 1619 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,559 Speaker 3: He is not a quadruple A player. He's a triple 1620 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,200 Speaker 3: A player because he's not actually performing at Triple A. 1621 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:25,880 Speaker 9: Is he was? 1622 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 3: He played at triple A every day before they trade 1623 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,960 Speaker 3: for him than after, and now all of this year 1624 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,000 Speaker 3: you have a big chunk of data of him at 1625 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,840 Speaker 3: Triple A over two hundred games, and he's hitting two 1626 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:37,640 Speaker 3: fifty three with. 1627 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,800 Speaker 4: A six eighty oh ps. 1628 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,000 Speaker 3: He's a well below average Triple A player on both 1629 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,760 Speaker 3: sides of the ball as well. They did still have 1630 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,920 Speaker 3: some illusions about him being a shortstop by this time 1631 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,280 Speaker 3: a year ago. Those have completely gone out the window. 1632 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 3: During the off season, he put on weight in order 1633 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 3: to maximize his game power and make him exclusively a 1634 01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,559 Speaker 3: corner infielder, which is much less valuable on the defense spectrum, 1635 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 3: and it has barely worked. As Kevin pointed out, a 1636 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,200 Speaker 3: slightly higher home run rate this year than last year. 1637 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,280 Speaker 3: He's not blocked. He has not been blocked this year 1638 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 3: because they got terrible production from Jean Segura and Julie 1639 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,639 Speaker 3: Guriell for most of this year. Unfortunately, has not really 1640 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,720 Speaker 3: hit much either, But Grostens has not had them make 1641 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,760 Speaker 3: a tough decision at all because he is not even 1642 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 3: an improvement over those guys based on what we've seen. 1643 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,920 Speaker 3: The quality of contact is just not good enough. Ever 1644 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,599 Speaker 3: since they acquired him, the athleticism really hasn't been there. 1645 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,439 Speaker 3: It's been strange that he's just not quite the athlete 1646 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,519 Speaker 3: I thought he was hyped up to be coming up 1647 01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,519 Speaker 3: through the system in terms of either his agility as 1648 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,640 Speaker 3: well or just the one thing he does is he 1649 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,000 Speaker 3: makes a decent amount of contact. But the long story short, 1650 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,719 Speaker 3: they have an interesting question to answer this offseason about 1651 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,840 Speaker 3: whether he should even be on the forty man roster, 1652 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,880 Speaker 3: because the only thing going for him is that he's 1653 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,040 Speaker 3: still relatively young. He's twenty three turns twenty four during 1654 01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,320 Speaker 3: the off season. It's not unheard of for players to 1655 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,360 Speaker 3: make a leap at this age from where they currently are. 1656 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,720 Speaker 3: I just don't see a whole lot of viable major 1657 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,240 Speaker 3: league tools here. So yeah, their question isn't whether he's 1658 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,160 Speaker 3: like a piece of their futures, about whether he should 1659 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,760 Speaker 3: even be organizational depth for them on the roster, whether 1660 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 3: he really justifies that spot. 1661 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,760 Speaker 4: Having been surpassed by Xavier. 1662 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,160 Speaker 3: Edwards, by Jacob e Maya, all those guys were in 1663 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,560 Speaker 3: the same conversation entering the year, those three players, and 1664 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,720 Speaker 3: it was kind of difficult to prioritize them. They're all 1665 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,240 Speaker 3: kind of closely clustered as the season has gone on, 1666 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,320 Speaker 3: it's been a crystal clear hierarchy that it's Edwards number one, 1667 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,280 Speaker 3: a Maya number two, and Grossian's a distant third in 1668 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,519 Speaker 3: terms of what you can realistically count on them being 1669 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,880 Speaker 3: in the near future as infielders for this team. 1670 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:56,960 Speaker 7: All Right, Sorry, Grant thesion thing is a little unfortunate. 1671 01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,360 Speaker 1: I think I agree with you Eli, Like we talked 1672 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,439 Speaker 1: about it on the show. That will probably be out shortly. 1673 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just so many ground balls. This guy 1674 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:07,960 Speaker 1: hits a lot of ground balls. 1675 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,560 Speaker 7: So what he's tried to do with the power, you know, 1676 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,240 Speaker 7: put on some weight and stuff like that has kind 1677 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,880 Speaker 7: of I think hurt him in terms of his ability 1678 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 7: to come by consistent plus contact. I think he was 1679 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,600 Speaker 7: doing okay the way that he was. 1680 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Didn't want to come by more power and more contact, 1681 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,800 Speaker 1: but you know, that can also go in a bad direction. 1682 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's worked out one hundred 1683 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:28,800 Speaker 1: percent how he would have liked. 1684 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,840 Speaker 2: Just because of the amount of ground balls that he's hit. 1685 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,120 Speaker 7: He's got the highest ground ball right of his career 1686 01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,000 Speaker 7: right now, so it's it's a ton of ground balls, 1687 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,759 Speaker 7: a ton of ground ball outs, And I would definitely 1688 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,479 Speaker 7: as well, put him like third in line in that 1689 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,240 Speaker 7: group of infielders that the Marlin's acquired here recently. 1690 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,599 Speaker 2: But this sucks to see. You know, that could be okay, 1691 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 2: and he's got. 1692 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 7: The positional flexibility that you know, he could definitely still 1693 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,320 Speaker 7: make somewhat of more of a major league impact. 1694 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, the changes that he's made that he's made 1695 01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,599 Speaker 2: recently have not really worked out all right. 1696 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,960 Speaker 8: Ryan questions, Yeah, this is a pretty straight up question. 1697 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,800 Speaker 8: But we got the Dodgers soon coming up at home. 1698 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,679 Speaker 8: Is there any chance the Marlins win that series? Because 1699 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,599 Speaker 8: I feel like at this point we gotta win as 1700 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,439 Speaker 8: many series as we can't, So we can't just be 1701 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,360 Speaker 8: crossing off series on the rest of our. 1702 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Schedule for the next six weeks of the season. 1703 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,640 Speaker 8: Or how many however many weeks we have left and 1704 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,559 Speaker 8: be saying that there's no chance the Marlins win this series. 1705 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,320 Speaker 2: Like, what would they have to do right to win 1706 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:29,960 Speaker 2: this series? 1707 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,920 Speaker 1: I think I will give you the elixus an answer. 1708 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't look towards that series yet. I would look 1709 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 1: towards the next week of play, which is the Padres 1710 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,720 Speaker 1: and the Nationals, So I would look at it just 1711 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,720 Speaker 1: focus on those teams first, and then we'll look at 1712 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:43,280 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. 1713 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought Eli is gonna take that from the top. 1714 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,080 Speaker 3: I know, I tell you tell me, Yeah, No, I 1715 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,080 Speaker 3: completely agree. I think Kevin summed it up really well. 1716 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,880 Speaker 3: That's still multiple weeks away, but no doubt that's gonna 1717 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,160 Speaker 3: be very difficult. But at that time they'll have a 1718 01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,920 Speaker 3: couple extra roster spots us from almost everything could be 1719 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 3: different between now and then. Yeah, for the moment, the 1720 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,639 Speaker 3: if you're gonna rank it, the very most important series 1721 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,360 Speaker 3: at this stage of the season are against teams that 1722 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,400 Speaker 3: they're directly competing against for a wild card spot. So yeah, 1723 01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,240 Speaker 3: to keep all the focus on the Padres for right now. 1724 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, well we'll talk more about that as it 1725 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,880 Speaker 3: gets a little bit closer. I guess the one thing 1726 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 3: to finally say is that this they did outscore the 1727 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,679 Speaker 3: Dodgers during the series. Even though they lost the series. 1728 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 3: They wanted to run differential battle so they didn't look 1729 01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,439 Speaker 3: entirely overmatched, as disappointing as the outcome was. 1730 01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:45,360 Speaker 10: Any other questions, what do you guys think about Borgo 1731 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,640 Speaker 10: far or is he like a lot to be a 1732 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,760 Speaker 10: cumber call up or what's going on with him? 1733 01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,879 Speaker 2: Uh September. 1734 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,240 Speaker 1: I think the only way he reaches the team is 1735 01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,600 Speaker 1: if one of the two catchers either gets hurt or 1736 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,559 Speaker 1: has like a over forty stretch and allows like five 1737 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 1: while pitches target. 1738 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,599 Speaker 2: The Marlins didn't trade for a catcher of the deadline 1739 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,759 Speaker 2: because they didn't want to mess up the chemistry. 1740 01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,040 Speaker 1: A lot of the batteries have really good chemistry, and 1741 01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:16,000 Speaker 1: you know about Sandy and Stallings and all them. I 1742 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 1: get that Alfaro has experience with some of these guys, 1743 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,960 Speaker 1: but the guys that experience with also have their guys 1744 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,679 Speaker 1: at this point, so I don't. 1745 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 2: Think it's gonna happen. It was merely a depth signing, 1746 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,560 Speaker 2: like in case of emergency type deal. Yeah, he's not 1747 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,560 Speaker 2: a major league baseball player. He's just not. 1748 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: Just like Eli said that, they don't make that signing 1749 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,160 Speaker 1: unless they had some sort of idea to use him 1750 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,479 Speaker 1: in the major league roster in September. Like I think 1751 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,599 Speaker 1: it was to maybe be a pinch hitting option late 1752 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,679 Speaker 1: ball games, just to have like the third catcher. 1753 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,559 Speaker 2: I guess that would be one of the I sure 1754 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:51,720 Speaker 2: men in September. 1755 01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,080 Speaker 1: Like, I just don't see them making the signing for 1756 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,000 Speaker 1: no reason, and to have them just tribble when they 1757 01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,400 Speaker 1: had off now they had p meack. 1758 01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a depth move because 1759 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 2: so much up. Anyway, I think it is to see 1760 01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:03,320 Speaker 2: him in September at some point. 1761 01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be the September callup Ryan, but 1762 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,240 Speaker 1: I think what you know, Isaac kind of. 1763 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 2: Alluded to, Yeah, you aren't wrong. 1764 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,839 Speaker 1: He's a guy who's not only familiar with this organization, 1765 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 1: familiar with the pitching. 1766 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,400 Speaker 2: Staff, but he has major league experience. 1767 01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,679 Speaker 1: But I do think right now that the two locks 1768 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,479 Speaker 1: to be on the major league roster comes September callups 1769 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,559 Speaker 1: will be Exaber Edwards Slash Troy Johnson one of the two, 1770 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,280 Speaker 1: and I think Anthony Maldonado, who will be another reliever. 1771 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,040 Speaker 1: And I know Carver is really high on those guys. 1772 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,000 Speaker 1: I believe we spoke about him both on the podcast. 1773 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: So again, another shameless plug, but just tune. 1774 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,639 Speaker 2: Into that one. YEA talk about every player in no organization. 1775 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,000 Speaker 2: Now let's be real. Oh yeah, I don't. 1776 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't think Troy is a lot by any stretch 1777 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,360 Speaker 1: at all. Like I don't think Troy is a lot either, But. 1778 01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,920 Speaker 2: I mean I think Xavier. 1779 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,840 Speaker 1: Yes, you could tells are putting you know his that's 1780 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,800 Speaker 1: short a little bit now, but yeah, it might be 1781 01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,599 Speaker 1: him and Borrow and then. 1782 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,720 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll see. 1783 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,920 Speaker 7: If I don't think Troy is a lock to be 1784 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,240 Speaker 7: a September call up, I think Troy is a lock 1785 01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,240 Speaker 7: to be added to the forty men roster before the 1786 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:07,000 Speaker 7: real five draft. 1787 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm pretty surprised he was an adage to it. Lest 1788 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,519 Speaker 1: I let's worry about that once the season. 1789 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,400 Speaker 2: So all right, Ryan, any other questions, Look, we get 1790 01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,479 Speaker 2: going about Troy Johnson. We're gonna're gonna be here till 1791 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,160 Speaker 2: like ten thirty. 1792 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,880 Speaker 1: So this podcast, if you want to listen to the 1793 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,200 Speaker 1: TROYA I will say I spoke to someone. 1794 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,799 Speaker 2: Into ORG today and they told me that he's forcing 1795 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,639 Speaker 2: their hands, So I'll keep it at that. Good good 1796 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:33,360 Speaker 2: to No, that's good the no. Yeah, that's all I got. 1797 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,360 Speaker 8: But yeah, I just think man Al Farrow needs If 1798 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,040 Speaker 8: the Marlins sign aw Farrow, it was random. 1799 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,000 Speaker 2: I feel like he needs to. 1800 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,360 Speaker 8: I feel like he'll eventually be on the major league 1801 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 8: team at some point, sooner than. 1802 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,479 Speaker 11: Later, because there's no point of having him a triple life. 1803 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,120 Speaker 11: He's but I guess we'll never know. They'll have him 1804 01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,479 Speaker 11: as an insurance. But actually I do have a question 1805 01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,959 Speaker 11: for Isaac. How's the weather over there in California? 1806 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,800 Speaker 1: Very light rain apparently going to my phone, there's an 1807 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,640 Speaker 1: earthquake earlier today and apparently some flooding. But we've been 1808 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,519 Speaker 1: just stuck in the hotel room all day long. Everybody's 1809 01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,000 Speaker 1: say if everyone sounds, I'm glad. 1810 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:15,640 Speaker 2: I think it will be. 1811 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,559 Speaker 1: Was very smart and doing that doubleheader yesterday. No major 1812 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: leage baseball games today on the West coast, so on 1813 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,080 Speaker 1: California anyway, and it looks like the San Diego series 1814 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,920 Speaker 1: will remain unaffected. 1815 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,320 Speaker 2: That's the hope, anyway, that's the optimistic hope. But yeah, 1816 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,800 Speaker 2: the weather's fine. It's not raining right now. 1817 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,720 Speaker 1: Actually, it's just very very cloudy, dark dim here in 1818 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,559 Speaker 1: here in southern California, so rare. 1819 01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,479 Speaker 2: Right, we get the we get the hurricane, an earthquake, 1820 01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,920 Speaker 2: we'll see what else we get, all right. 1821 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna head out now, and I guess I'll 1822 01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,040 Speaker 8: throw the. 1823 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:50,880 Speaker 2: Out you to LMF and he misses the slam dunk. 1824 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:56,160 Speaker 12: No, thanks, Brian, Thanks guys for having me. If I 1825 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,280 Speaker 12: could just do three shameless plugs. 1826 01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:58,840 Speaker 4: One. 1827 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,920 Speaker 2: I look forward to your minor league podcast. That sounds 1828 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,920 Speaker 2: awesome and look forward to listening to it too. 1829 01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 12: It looks like Peter Pratt is on here and it's 1830 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,320 Speaker 12: one twenty five am in London right now. 1831 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 2: So Peter want to go to sleep. 1832 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,439 Speaker 12: I want to give him a plug here because he 1833 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,040 Speaker 12: needs nine more YouTube subscribers to hit one thousand from 1834 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,720 Speaker 12: a Locked on Marlins pod or Lockdown Marlin's cast. So 1835 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,000 Speaker 12: if we can get nine more, that'd be awesome. And 1836 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,840 Speaker 12: then those are two shameless. And then, of course the 1837 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,160 Speaker 12: one that means the most is. 1838 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,559 Speaker 2: Go super subscribe. So you could cut me in mind to. 1839 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:40,479 Speaker 12: Speak on this every Sunday for three dollars more. So, 1840 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,599 Speaker 12: if you're ready, I may ask my questions. 1841 01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:45,519 Speaker 2: Go ahead cool. 1842 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,439 Speaker 12: If a barrow comes up and this is more of 1843 01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,120 Speaker 12: a joke, question, will he play outfield again? 1844 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:54,320 Speaker 2: Get down? 1845 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:59,719 Speaker 12: No, that's more of a Joe Bradby. That's damn true, 1846 01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:01,439 Speaker 12: damn damn true. 1847 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,599 Speaker 6: Well that's the only position he can actually catch at 1848 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,719 Speaker 6: because he can't catch the ball behind the plate. 1849 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,920 Speaker 1: It's okay, guys, we're not gonna overtack. 1850 01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:12,800 Speaker 2: I'll be that bad. 1851 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,519 Speaker 12: A few weeks ago, I guess most You just answered 1852 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,360 Speaker 12: this question, but a few weeks ago, yeah, you said, 1853 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,920 Speaker 12: ask later when we get closer to September. First, who 1854 01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,200 Speaker 12: would be the call ups? I'm guessing everyone that's Exavier 1855 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,840 Speaker 12: Edward as a walk. He just said that Troy may 1856 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,560 Speaker 12: not be a lot. Is there a picture who you 1857 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,400 Speaker 12: can see forcing his way up to join the staff. 1858 01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,680 Speaker 1: I think Carver will tell you about Anthony Maldonado. I 1859 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,719 Speaker 1: think that's a likely one. He's been great for Triple 1860 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,719 Speaker 1: A this year. I know he's dealt with some injury, 1861 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,640 Speaker 1: but when he's on the field, and he's been on 1862 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,200 Speaker 1: the field for the most part, he's been really freaking good. 1863 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,200 Speaker 2: So I'll go with Maldonado. Eli probably has another name 1864 01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,479 Speaker 2: he wants to shout out. Josh Simpson will be the 1865 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 2: other one. 1866 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,559 Speaker 1: I would mention him, and he's already on the forty man, 1867 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,280 Speaker 1: so it would be a pretty easy call for the 1868 01:23:58,360 --> 01:23:58,760 Speaker 1: most part. 1869 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,000 Speaker 2: But I would like to go Maldonado over. 1870 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna give you well First, I want to 1871 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,760 Speaker 3: cut in to say we got Peter's subscriber number nine 1872 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,400 Speaker 3: ninety two. That's Roberto Sanchez from listening to the stream. 1873 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,920 Speaker 3: So Peter we'll expect a commission check from the first monetization. 1874 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,360 Speaker 4: Payment you get from that channel. Because we're recruiting people. 1875 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:22,280 Speaker 3: For you, I'm gonna give the unfortunate thing that Well, 1876 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,000 Speaker 3: it depends on the injury situation. If there are no 1877 01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,439 Speaker 3: further pitching injuries, I don't think you get Maldonado or 1878 01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,439 Speaker 3: anybody of that ILK. I think it's JT. Schagua and 1879 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,800 Speaker 3: Tommy Nance. Those are your extra pieces in addition to 1880 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,320 Speaker 3: who's currently on the roster on the pitching side, and 1881 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,360 Speaker 3: then there's Edward and then of course Edward Edward Carrera 1882 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,280 Speaker 3: as well. I think between those three guys, three veterans 1883 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,880 Speaker 3: quote unquote, I think they're all ahead of Maldonado in 1884 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,320 Speaker 3: line for roles on this team. So I don't think 1885 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:55,760 Speaker 3: you're gonna see I would bet against Anthony maldonado appearance 1886 01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,479 Speaker 3: barring some significant injuries down the stretch the rest of 1887 01:24:59,520 --> 01:24:59,880 Speaker 3: the season. 1888 01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,200 Speaker 2: I did forget those guys. 1889 01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:07,840 Speaker 1: Were out in the most ardly considered September College one 1890 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:13,320 Speaker 1: there I mean down there's also Cassano is still around. 1891 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,679 Speaker 1: You know, there's still guys like that that are around. 1892 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,320 Speaker 2: But man if Maldonado didn't get injured, he would have 1893 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,200 Speaker 2: been here a lot sooner than now. So I hope 1894 01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,680 Speaker 2: that that guy gets a chance. 1895 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 1: This year, probably make the case that he will probably 1896 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,120 Speaker 1: go up over either Robert Garcia or who's the other one, 1897 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:31,799 Speaker 1: Sean Reynolds. 1898 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,720 Speaker 2: At the time Robert Garcy is on the national well, 1899 01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:45,760 Speaker 2: he was saying, hell, come on cool if Cole is 1900 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:46,400 Speaker 2: still in here. 1901 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,200 Speaker 12: He had asked about the percentage of players of Peter 1902 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,920 Speaker 12: versus Kim Uh it's as you guys said, it's very 1903 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,080 Speaker 12: hard to bring that to number because there's so many 1904 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,840 Speaker 12: players in our minor league or any minor league farm system. 1905 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,599 Speaker 12: But just to give them a hint that there's only 1906 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,240 Speaker 12: one first round pick of Derek Jeters left and that's 1907 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,759 Speaker 12: Max Meyer through some stats Eric. 1908 01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,280 Speaker 2: Hass released by the Tigers. 1909 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,599 Speaker 12: Is he a flyer at any point in the offseason, 1910 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,160 Speaker 12: even discussed bringing them in the camp. 1911 01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:23,680 Speaker 2: No, okay, and it's a quick answer. Appreciate it. And 1912 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:30,240 Speaker 2: regarding Edward Cabrera, Eli, you kind of took that. 1913 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,400 Speaker 12: Out of my my list about one of who could 1914 01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,880 Speaker 12: be called up because you should come back with the 1915 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:41,280 Speaker 12: Marlins considered being that uries, let's say seven more starts 1916 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,400 Speaker 12: the way Lozardo has been pitching. 1917 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,400 Speaker 2: Adding a sixth man to the rotation and that being 1918 01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:48,600 Speaker 2: any I hope they do. 1919 01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a perfectly reasonable possibility that you 1920 01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,639 Speaker 3: see in September, especially once once you have an extra 1921 01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,640 Speaker 3: spot for potentially an extra pitcher on the roster, it's 1922 01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,040 Speaker 3: a lot more or feasible. That's really the main thing 1923 01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,599 Speaker 3: holding it up is that you simply don't have enough 1924 01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,640 Speaker 3: relievers to pridge the gaps between them for most of 1925 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,880 Speaker 3: the regular season. I think it's a very distinct possibility 1926 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,599 Speaker 3: for at least a portion of September. Once they get there, 1927 01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,639 Speaker 3: maybe they get creative and still have Sandy pitching every 1928 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 3: five days and the other pitchers being part of that rotation. 1929 01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,719 Speaker 3: That's like a hybrid six man rotation where there's six starters, 1930 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:25,880 Speaker 3: but Sandy pitches. 1931 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,760 Speaker 4: More frequently than the other ones. Yeah. 1932 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,880 Speaker 3: The thing that we talked about earlier with Edward on 1933 01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,479 Speaker 3: this show is that there's still not a ton of 1934 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,920 Speaker 3: confidence that he's going to be effective down the stretch 1935 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 3: the rest of the year, where since he got sent down, 1936 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 3: he had one amazing start, he had one solid start, 1937 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:47,240 Speaker 3: and he had one really bad start against Triple A. Competition. 1938 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,280 Speaker 3: You just don't know exactly. I wouldn't put a whole 1939 01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,439 Speaker 3: lot of expectation on him to be effective the rest 1940 01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,000 Speaker 3: of the way. As you point out though, in terms 1941 01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,720 Speaker 3: with endings management being a pretty big priority for for 1942 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,920 Speaker 3: Urie and for Lozardo and also to a lesser extent 1943 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,920 Speaker 3: of Braxton. Yeah, it's it's definitely gonna be on the table. 1944 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 2: I think, well, thank you before I pass the back. 1945 01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,559 Speaker 12: Regarding the Dodger series, you know that our pitching starting 1946 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,679 Speaker 12: pitching got wasted, but it was nice to see both 1947 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,519 Speaker 12: starters go deep as and have the strikeouts like Perez 1948 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,519 Speaker 12: did nothing but good things there. Hopefully we take two 1949 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,320 Speaker 12: or three against San Diego, if not sweep the way 1950 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,520 Speaker 12: that they're planning. Be safe to all the California travelers 1951 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,080 Speaker 12: who are over there as I get home safe, we 1952 01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,040 Speaker 12: need you, buddy and everyone. 1953 01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,600 Speaker 2: Have a great night. Thank you for having me on it. 1954 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:46,880 Speaker 2: Go super subscribe. Let's get louder pere Hey, thank you 1955 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,920 Speaker 2: for me shipping next. He's load again. I believe he's 1956 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,880 Speaker 2: connecting for me. Let's play the age old game. What 1957 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,280 Speaker 2: is he on your guys screens? He's not there, He's 1958 01:28:59,320 --> 01:28:59,599 Speaker 2: not there. 1959 01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,280 Speaker 4: He's there for me, I think we got him. 1960 01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,120 Speaker 2: No, he's not there. What's your question, Grant? 1961 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:06,800 Speaker 13: Did they do? 1962 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:07,120 Speaker 5: You guys? 1963 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Tell you what Edward, it's already been twenty days since 1964 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,599 Speaker 2: he's been down there. He had segment in the show. 1965 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,679 Speaker 3: Well, what he means is to clarify for the audience 1966 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,400 Speaker 3: is that Cabrera has been twenty days since he's been optioned. 1967 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,960 Speaker 3: He had one final minor league option that they were 1968 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,360 Speaker 3: able to use. That's the reason they were able to 1969 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,880 Speaker 3: send him down in the first place. And yeah, they 1970 01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,640 Speaker 3: don't call it's now been this is day twenty. So 1971 01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,560 Speaker 3: if they don't call him back immediately, it burns the 1972 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,960 Speaker 3: final option year, and that more so, that has a 1973 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,439 Speaker 3: big impact on his trade value moving forward, where if 1974 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:40,360 Speaker 3: they keep him down the rest of the year and 1975 01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,240 Speaker 3: if he doesn't show really encouraging signs the rest of 1976 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,400 Speaker 3: the way, then this is a player that enters next 1977 01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,360 Speaker 3: year with no options, with a very uneven track record 1978 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:55,240 Speaker 3: as a major league starter, and he's that had been 1979 01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,439 Speaker 3: in a really tough situation. So it'll be curious to 1980 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:03,600 Speaker 3: see if they perhaps bring him back up immediately for 1981 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:08,240 Speaker 3: this Padre series, which would be not necessarily deserved, but 1982 01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:13,040 Speaker 3: in order to keep that option intact moving forward for 1983 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,840 Speaker 3: their purposes. So we will, Yeah, well we'll find out. 1984 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,439 Speaker 3: But I think tomorrow would be the absolute only way 1985 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,080 Speaker 3: that they can still keep that preserve that option for 1986 01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,559 Speaker 3: the future. Otherwise it counts and otherwise it puts them 1987 01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,320 Speaker 3: in a really awkward situation for twenty twenty four. 1988 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,040 Speaker 2: What isn't twenty one? I don't understand. 1989 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,160 Speaker 1: I guess if he's already on the way and they'll 1990 01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,320 Speaker 1: just no, because it has been the transactions long, it's 1991 01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,920 Speaker 1: not there yet. I don't know if this weird thing 1992 01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:46,000 Speaker 1: with you know, the game today and affected it. We'll 1993 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,479 Speaker 1: see if he's there tomorrow, they'll they'll definitely be our explanation. Yeah, 1994 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,040 Speaker 1: I'll be the first to let you guys know. I 1995 01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,600 Speaker 1: don't room to really add him back. Isaac, do you 1996 01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:55,519 Speaker 1: see room to adding back? 1997 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,600 Speaker 2: And this is Saiah, Yeah, of course, he said, just 1998 01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,280 Speaker 2: back down. Gotta put him in the bullpen then, right, 1999 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:07,679 Speaker 2: not necessarily there's you go six man rotation, just going 2000 01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,800 Speaker 2: man down the bull time and or you could get 2001 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,080 Speaker 2: what you wanted, you have the time on the bullpen. 2002 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,479 Speaker 2: But I would see him as the bullpen. I'm just 2003 01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:15,880 Speaker 2: saying I don't know if the Marlins are feel like 2004 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:21,840 Speaker 2: committed to that yet they are always and they are 2005 01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:22,799 Speaker 2: always listening. 2006 01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,040 Speaker 9: I was gonna say you can just just I said 2007 01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,599 Speaker 9: send down going even though Brian hoeing as well. 2008 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,120 Speaker 2: It was against the Astros. He picked pretty good. They 2009 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,160 Speaker 2: didn't give up a run, right, Brian Mohan is my guy. 2010 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,120 Speaker 2: I'm not that's that's my guy. I like his walk 2011 01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,240 Speaker 2: up the song, so that is my guy. 2012 01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:45,080 Speaker 9: He's been good and good bullpen arm when he pitched 2013 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,479 Speaker 9: the only really one of his only like when they 2014 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:48,519 Speaker 9: started going down when he. 2015 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 2: Started, but versus Braves was his worst start. We gave 2016 01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:51,840 Speaker 2: up like five. 2017 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,160 Speaker 9: But like besides, before that start, he was actually pretty 2018 01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,840 Speaker 9: good in that longer lease set up rule like starter 2019 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,240 Speaker 9: thing that he was in the innings. 2020 01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,479 Speaker 2: I feel like that there a question from tonight I 2021 01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:11,920 Speaker 2: was gonna I like the XLA, so just like, where 2022 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,960 Speaker 2: where's the question? Let me finish? 2023 01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:20,400 Speaker 9: I'm gonna say Alfaro. When when Edward Tabara catches gets 2024 01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:21,640 Speaker 9: caught by Alfaro. 2025 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,120 Speaker 2: They he has like a six or seven e r A. 2026 01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,400 Speaker 9: Then the last two times that he was that Edward 2027 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,559 Speaker 9: was down in triple A, Santiago Chavez caught him and. 2028 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,160 Speaker 2: He only gave up three walks, and it was three 2029 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,400 Speaker 2: walks in three games or two walks in two games. 2030 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,320 Speaker 2: From correct, I'm. 2031 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,360 Speaker 9: Not saying that Santiago Chavis gets to get called up, 2032 01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:44,479 Speaker 9: but that is the name that it's That's that's why 2033 01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,280 Speaker 9: his last start looks kind of skewed. He was pitching 2034 01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:49,479 Speaker 9: pretty good and then out of nowhere it got it 2035 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,680 Speaker 9: would They went downhill and the person that caught him was. 2036 01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,599 Speaker 2: And their stats haven't been the best. I think her. 2037 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,839 Speaker 2: I think her. You're being a little too. 2038 01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,639 Speaker 7: Too favorable on Edward Cabrera. I mean he has experienced 2039 01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,439 Speaker 7: with Alfaro. Afar has caught him before he caught his 2040 01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,000 Speaker 7: big league debut, if I'm not mistaken. 2041 01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,759 Speaker 2: So it's not about the catcher. 2042 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,320 Speaker 7: It's about the picture himself, and the picture of himself 2043 01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,840 Speaker 7: has been very inconsistent with his control and command, no 2044 01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:18,920 Speaker 7: matter who is catching him. 2045 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,240 Speaker 2: So, yeah, he had a great he had a decent. 2046 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,600 Speaker 7: Start with santi like you said, or Austin Allen or 2047 01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,120 Speaker 7: whoever's catching him. The guy can go in a different 2048 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,000 Speaker 7: in a different direction very quickly, and it's not because 2049 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,960 Speaker 7: of the catcher that's catching him. It's because he's not 2050 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,040 Speaker 7: great with consistency of his control, so it's not on 2051 01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,160 Speaker 7: the catcher, it's on Edward. 2052 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 2053 01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,000 Speaker 9: Now I was gonna say, I'm like very opposed to 2054 01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,599 Speaker 9: this sixth manth notation. I feel like, if you're gonna 2055 01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,439 Speaker 9: do it, like you guys said, make it a hybrid, 2056 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,080 Speaker 9: just let Sandy throw and then the next day you're 2057 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,080 Speaker 9: gonna you're gonna you're gonna end up having to throw 2058 01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,000 Speaker 9: him in there because, like you guys said, maybe the 2059 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,519 Speaker 9: account is like like they give him a day off, 2060 01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,000 Speaker 9: layoff before Edward comes back. 2061 01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,439 Speaker 2: Up, but you have you have to find a way 2062 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,960 Speaker 2: to just that's never gonna work, especially especially the way 2063 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:07,920 Speaker 2: that Lozardo. 2064 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,880 Speaker 9: Has been looking the last a couple of all starts 2065 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:12,760 Speaker 9: with in like two or three that his fastball just 2066 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:16,599 Speaker 9: has not been good and he's just he's just he's 2067 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,800 Speaker 9: gone back to that like twenty that's what it looks like. 2068 01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,519 Speaker 2: Everything's getting hit hard and well in person, that's what 2069 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,080 Speaker 2: it looks like. Everything's getting hit hard and. 2070 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,519 Speaker 1: Everything to a really quick Romeo. On the career thing, 2071 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,760 Speaker 1: he has thrown to six different catchers in his major 2072 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,960 Speaker 1: league career, and he has allowed to base opponents on 2073 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,639 Speaker 1: base percentage of above three twenty to each of them. 2074 01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,240 Speaker 2: So, like Alex Carver said, it's it's not the catcher. 2075 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,840 Speaker 2: This guy just has a tough, tating strikes right now. 2076 01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:45,400 Speaker 2: And I guess in earlier in. 2077 01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,120 Speaker 1: His career as well, he did have that really fun 2078 01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two stretch. But yeah, it's it's not the catcher. 2079 01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,439 Speaker 1: You can't put Santaylo Chawi's in there and he's you know, 2080 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,719 Speaker 1: miraculously start slamming the zone the way yur he did yesterday. 2081 01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,720 Speaker 2: So we'll see what they do with him. 2082 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:06,479 Speaker 9: Yeah, you're you're that was silk, your domb, that was 2083 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,120 Speaker 9: your start of his young easily. 2084 01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:15,240 Speaker 2: And they lost the game. Yeah, I'm so. 2085 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,120 Speaker 9: Opposed to that, Like I'm being dead that series with 2086 01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:19,759 Speaker 9: you guys, Like if you're gonna go out. 2087 01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,720 Speaker 2: And trade for a closure, let him close, like let 2088 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:22,360 Speaker 2: him face the. 2089 01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,880 Speaker 9: Top of the lineup, like I honestly they he loses 2090 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,840 Speaker 9: in the ninth, lose it in the ninth, but don't 2091 01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,519 Speaker 9: let him. Don't go away from Scott, especially the way 2092 01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,760 Speaker 9: Scott looks like in the ninth inning, Like, yeah, he's 2093 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:38,559 Speaker 9: having a great season. But I'm I'm just maybe that's 2094 01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,559 Speaker 9: me and that's but like. 2095 01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,840 Speaker 2: What what what's the difference? The guy watched the game 2096 01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,160 Speaker 2: of the eighth rel is the game of the night. 2097 01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:49,599 Speaker 2: I love because you get to you get, you get 2098 01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:50,040 Speaker 2: to the night. 2099 01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:51,639 Speaker 1: My point is that I feel to do my job 2100 01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,360 Speaker 1: and ask Skip what exactly numbers were. It wasn't so 2101 01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,320 Speaker 1: much about which any each of them we're gonna throw. 2102 01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,280 Speaker 1: It was about web Bookie and freaming we're gonna hit, 2103 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,160 Speaker 1: and they were gonna hit the ninth inning there where 2104 01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:01,439 Speaker 1: Tanner Scout was to get the ninth inning. 2105 01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,640 Speaker 2: What I failed to do was ask him what the 2106 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:04,800 Speaker 2: numbers were that. 2107 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,679 Speaker 1: They liked so much about Scott facing those guys because 2108 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,040 Speaker 1: Robertson has pretty nice reverse splits, so Freeman went to 2109 01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,800 Speaker 1: scare me so much to face Robertson. So they the 2110 01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,800 Speaker 1: fact that one scary part is that roberts had faced 2111 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,200 Speaker 1: like the middle of the bottom part of the order. 2112 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,120 Speaker 1: It still got shelled. So I don't think facing Mookie 2113 01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:25,600 Speaker 1: and roberts so what better. But I still you have 2114 01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,240 Speaker 1: such a large sympathize of Tanner Scott pitching in the 2115 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,760 Speaker 1: ninth that has not gone well. It's not that he 2116 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,760 Speaker 1: earned the ninth inning, it's just ide and I'll ask 2117 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,720 Speaker 1: him tomorrow just what were the numbers that made him 2118 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,439 Speaker 1: like Scott facing those guys more than Robertson. 2119 01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,479 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know what it is. Because they 2120 01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,800 Speaker 2: have better eye Scott's going to walking a million guys. 2121 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,120 Speaker 2: They're definitely not better at. 2122 01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,600 Speaker 1: Bats, so maybe you prefer the veteran Robertson who was 2123 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,519 Speaker 1: just pitching the World Series last year. So but I'll 2124 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,360 Speaker 1: ask him. That's something you asked the skip pre game 2125 01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,600 Speaker 1: the next day. Obviously there was no game today, so 2126 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:56,320 Speaker 1: that's something like, and we didn't get them pretty game 2127 01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,360 Speaker 1: for either game yesterday, so that's something I'll have to 2128 01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:59,439 Speaker 1: do tomorrow tomorrow. 2129 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,680 Speaker 2: Why not? Why not go with who's hot? Who's hot? 2130 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:08,280 Speaker 2: Right now? As Tanner, Scott and David Robertson. Why why 2131 01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:13,120 Speaker 2: don't we did that? Happens that worked out? 2132 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Don't tell me you just mentioned Marianna Rivera in the 2133 01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:17,719 Speaker 1: same conversation as as David Robertson. 2134 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,280 Speaker 2: Please, Oh, dude, what I said. 2135 01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,920 Speaker 14: He's the highest of leverage situations. He took over from 2136 01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,439 Speaker 14: Marion Rover. You pitched in the Yanks closer situation in 2137 01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,600 Speaker 14: the World Series. He's been I trust him in the 2138 01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,560 Speaker 14: ninth over TWNA Scott got it. 2139 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:32,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So. 2140 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,439 Speaker 7: After yesterday you have this have the same opinion that 2141 01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,400 Speaker 7: he's going to fail in the in the eighth against 2142 01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,599 Speaker 7: lesser advanced bats than Mookie bats and and Freddie Freeman, 2143 01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:42,040 Speaker 7: you would be. 2144 01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:43,920 Speaker 2: Okay with your saying okay, yeah, he's good for the 2145 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,360 Speaker 2: ninth of the rest of the year. This conversation from 2146 01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,559 Speaker 2: an hour. We talked about this an hour and a half. 2147 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,080 Speaker 2: Guy iterate the same ship every week? Can we stop? Hey? 2148 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,480 Speaker 2: What can I say? Language crank guys? That's why apologies 2149 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,600 Speaker 2: out to it late. Was the guy that answer the 2150 01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,200 Speaker 2: super subscriber questions. 2151 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,760 Speaker 9: Grant, come bro I know, I know, but man, we 2152 01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,519 Speaker 9: can do the same argument every week. Like I said, 2153 01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,280 Speaker 9: if it isn't broke, don't fix it. That's what I'm 2154 01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:13,160 Speaker 9: That's what I'm gonna end it on. If it's it's 2155 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:18,080 Speaker 9: worked Cincinnati, it worked against Cincinnati, and I know Cincinnati 2156 01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,760 Speaker 9: is not the not them, but you can't. 2157 01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,479 Speaker 2: You can't just take him like it is. Just just 2158 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:24,559 Speaker 2: give him the highest leverage. 2159 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,920 Speaker 9: You traded your two well, like the world shattered when 2160 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,080 Speaker 9: you guys traded drawing off ronalds Tornander's and and Marcos, 2161 01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:32,519 Speaker 9: Marcus Maargus more. 2162 01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,720 Speaker 2: Uh so they you just asked for me. 2163 01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,080 Speaker 9: You just let him, let him lose the game of 2164 01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:41,240 Speaker 9: the night at that point. Just that that, that's my opinion. 2165 01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,439 Speaker 9: You let your closer lose it, like I did with Puck. 2166 01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,080 Speaker 9: I let Puck lose the game in the night. 2167 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're saying, were you YouTube coming from Jamar Williams 2168 01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,479 Speaker 3: who said he loves the heated arguments here. 2169 01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,639 Speaker 4: He doesn't think this is a bad thing. I thinks 2170 01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:53,719 Speaker 4: this is good content. 2171 01:38:54,760 --> 01:39:00,640 Speaker 2: Well, I hate to go at each other. Happens, but 2172 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,679 Speaker 2: it makes for good discussions, and it makes entertainment. The show. 2173 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:05,719 Speaker 1: You're gonna sit around and listen to us talk about 2174 01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,040 Speaker 1: the Marlins for two hours, you can't have at least 2175 01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,040 Speaker 1: some entertainment, right. 2176 01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,000 Speaker 2: I can argue farm topic. 2177 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:13,840 Speaker 1: Just just bring up the topic and me and Igh 2178 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,960 Speaker 1: School probably argue about it. I'm just saying that you 2179 01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,560 Speaker 1: see some Farm viewers who gave up. You know, the 2180 01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,080 Speaker 1: team gave up the one of Carver's favorite two projects 2181 01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,120 Speaker 1: in the entire system that they can't miss. 2182 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,200 Speaker 2: They're not watery tickets at all. They can't miss. They 2183 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:28,960 Speaker 2: got that they got in return for them. 2184 01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:30,960 Speaker 1: You think they wanted to use them as what they 2185 01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,679 Speaker 1: brought him in for, which is the bits of stupid 2186 01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:33,200 Speaker 1: ninth Inning. 2187 01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:34,600 Speaker 2: So I don't know what your problem is. 2188 01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,240 Speaker 1: Okay, he screwed them against the Phillies. You use him 2189 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,559 Speaker 1: in the ninth Inning as you're opposed to nothing. 2190 01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,000 Speaker 2: They're recognected. Say they cannot. 2191 01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,200 Speaker 1: Like I said, once I find out the numbers that 2192 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,120 Speaker 1: made them so scared to put him against Freeman and Bets, 2193 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,479 Speaker 1: then okay, I'll report that and we'll talk about it. 2194 01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,400 Speaker 2: But until then, don't I didn't understand that move. 2195 01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,479 Speaker 9: He also needs to change the the globe color. His 2196 01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,760 Speaker 9: glove colors are the Mets. If you ever look at it, 2197 01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,479 Speaker 9: it's still the Mets color. Shoulds orange, black and dirt blue. 2198 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,640 Speaker 2: Yes, the player's bell still has a bag that has 2199 01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,160 Speaker 2: Cleveland on it. This is they didn't. This is not 2200 01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,320 Speaker 2: what we're here. He needs to change his attitude. 2201 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,599 Speaker 1: Anyways, we can go on all right, Robo, any other questions. 2202 01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,560 Speaker 1: We got one more speaker in here, Paris would we 2203 01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,000 Speaker 1: want to get to So if you got any more, 2204 01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:18,920 Speaker 1: I get them off real quick. 2205 01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:23,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry for having for you guys arguing. Look, they 2206 01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,160 Speaker 2: argue that ever Romeo. It's not your fault. They argue 2207 01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:27,120 Speaker 2: that everything all you. 2208 01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,639 Speaker 1: Were in our group, Cat, your phone battery would be zapped, 2209 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:35,040 Speaker 1: it would be gone. Since I joined Fish Off first distress, 2210 01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,719 Speaker 1: my phone batteries just zips gone. 2211 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,360 Speaker 2: How much of that is you just putting reactions on 2212 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:52,360 Speaker 2: every text that everybody sends anyway reaction. No, that's not 2213 01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:55,559 Speaker 2: the reason why I do it. You'll you just don't 2214 01:40:55,640 --> 01:41:00,479 Speaker 2: know why he goes, why he doesn't a lot of 2215 01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:07,040 Speaker 2: those guys not to bring the insect jokes outside. That's fine. 2216 01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:09,640 Speaker 1: Want we will all right, Parish, you're here, man, You're 2217 01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,320 Speaker 1: gonna wrap this out here. 2218 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,200 Speaker 2: Last question for. 2219 01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,840 Speaker 13: Yours man, Hey, I appreciate everything y'all do for you 2220 01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:18,120 Speaker 13: know us Marlin fans. 2221 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:19,439 Speaker 2: I definitely me personally. 2222 01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,439 Speaker 13: I appreciate all the minor league content y'all put out, 2223 01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:26,599 Speaker 13: especially with Noble Miners. You know, I enjoyed those YouTube videos. 2224 01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:27,240 Speaker 2: Uh. 2225 01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:31,080 Speaker 13: Really, my question is, uh, with these last couple of 2226 01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,800 Speaker 13: series we've been in with you know, some of these 2227 01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:37,360 Speaker 13: top teams, and obviously like the check on the high 2228 01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,400 Speaker 13: performance as far as with the Bats and maybe some 2229 01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,599 Speaker 13: of the costly errors. I guess really what I'm asking 2230 01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,280 Speaker 13: is can we clean that up going into you know, 2231 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:51,799 Speaker 13: September and possibly October if we crack this wild card spot, 2232 01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:55,040 Speaker 13: or is it something that we would have to clean 2233 01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,479 Speaker 13: up in the offseason if it, you know, hinders us 2234 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:58,840 Speaker 13: from getting into the wild card. 2235 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,320 Speaker 3: What I will say when it comes to the bats 2236 01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,960 Speaker 3: is when this team plays its best nine man combination, 2237 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:15,280 Speaker 3: which would be a rise so Lair, Jazz, DLC, Jesus, Birdie, Fortes, 2238 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:16,799 Speaker 3: Bell and Berger. 2239 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,800 Speaker 4: I think I got all nine there. It's a nice 2240 01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:20,719 Speaker 4: offensive team. 2241 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,519 Speaker 3: And I think if you see that group playing together 2242 01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,639 Speaker 3: in once you get to the postseason, you don't worry 2243 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,840 Speaker 3: very much about platoons and resting guys. So once they 2244 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,760 Speaker 3: play the very most important games, as long as they 2245 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,280 Speaker 3: ride with those nine guys as often as possible instead 2246 01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:41,240 Speaker 3: of giving token at bats to Ave Garcia or Julie Guriel, 2247 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,000 Speaker 3: guys like that or Joey Wendel. I think when they 2248 01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:48,599 Speaker 3: have all those guys together, there's a lot of promise there, 2249 01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:50,320 Speaker 3: and I think that group does have a pretty high 2250 01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,800 Speaker 3: floor where you're not gonna see very often those guys 2251 01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,280 Speaker 3: get shut out or even held to a single run 2252 01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,360 Speaker 3: when they're all playing together. Because it's a good combination 2253 01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,479 Speaker 3: of power and from all sides of the plate as 2254 01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,599 Speaker 3: well as plate discipline. And you have a couple plus 2255 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,680 Speaker 3: plus runners there between Jazz and Birdie, assuming they at 2256 01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:10,040 Speaker 3: least one of them gets on base and rieks havoc 2257 01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,599 Speaker 3: that way. So I will say with the offense, that's 2258 01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,320 Speaker 3: something that I'm relatively confident in. 2259 01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2260 01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,559 Speaker 3: Really, the guy that's been underperforming most of all as 2261 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,439 Speaker 3: a hitter recently has been a rise and that's the 2262 01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:25,439 Speaker 3: guy that I feel safest about bouncing back and as 2263 01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,759 Speaker 3: long as he is able to have a relatively decent 2264 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,080 Speaker 3: finish to the year where he's just playing his own 2265 01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,280 Speaker 3: game and not worrying so much about lifting the ball 2266 01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:36,400 Speaker 3: and driving the ball as he has been recently. Yeah, 2267 01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,080 Speaker 3: the offense, for one, I think they did a really 2268 01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:42,400 Speaker 3: great job at addressing that, bring in complimentary pieces that 2269 01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:45,200 Speaker 3: they could actually afford. I think they're in a decent 2270 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,120 Speaker 3: spot at least from that aspect. 2271 01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:54,240 Speaker 2: The rest of the way, any other questions, my man, 2272 01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,080 Speaker 2: you guys are great. Love the bad between you and guys, 2273 01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, keep up with great work. Hey. 2274 01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,280 Speaker 7: The last thing, The last thing I'll say is that 2275 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,400 Speaker 7: if you like the minor league content, which I'm glad 2276 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:08,640 Speaker 7: that you do. 2277 01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:09,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 2278 01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:13,720 Speaker 7: I'll be out tomorrow for the first career start of 2279 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,960 Speaker 7: second round draft pick Thomas White or well yeah, comp 2280 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,559 Speaker 7: round draft pick, sorry of Thomas White. 2281 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,439 Speaker 2: So if you like the minor league coverage, I'll have 2282 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:27,639 Speaker 2: some stuff for you then, yum me all right, Hey, 2283 01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:28,560 Speaker 2: I think I'll do it. 2284 01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,960 Speaker 1: I didn't realize people like this arguing so much. I'm 2285 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,720 Speaker 1: gonna keep that in mind for next week. I'm sure 2286 01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,040 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do next week show time. 2287 01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,120 Speaker 2: I got personal stuff going on next. 2288 01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,559 Speaker 1: Week, going back to college. But we'll stop show Sunday 2289 01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:43,080 Speaker 1: no matter what. I can guarantee that for you guys. 2290 01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:46,599 Speaker 1: Big week coming up, Padres Nationals on the Doctor, eulive 2291 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,720 Speaker 1: A or keV for Isaac, zup for Noah, all our 2292 01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,560 Speaker 1: speakers and myself. Thank you guys for tuning in and 2293 01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,760 Speaker 1: making sure you're tuned into All Fish on first fifth 2294 01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,000 Speaker 1: on the Farm, content, whatever, and we'll see you next 2295 01:44:59,040 --> 01:44:59,240 Speaker 1: week