WEBVTT -  Selects: Muzak: Easy Listening Goodness

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there, everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's

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<v Speaker 1>SYSK Selects, I've chosen our twenty twenty one episode on Musak.

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<v Speaker 1>And you might ask, who could possibly like the noisome,

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<v Speaker 1>omnipresent annoyance that was Musak? Well me, I like Muzak.

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<v Speaker 1>So there. But if you're not over forty, you might

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<v Speaker 1>not even know that there was a time you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>step out in public from department stores. Those are in

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<v Speaker 1>something we call malls to elevators without smalltzy string arrangements

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<v Speaker 1>of pop music pummeling you with their saccharine sound, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, you're the worst offtware not having experienced it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>you can experience this episode, and I hope you enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Charles w You, Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>See Coustin. I said it right this time.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was Coustain.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if you're in France, that's how you would say it.

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<v Speaker 1>But here in the United States, you say Coustin.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I start this off by saying something, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, I'm worried about what you're going to say about.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, this episode is on muzak, and I started

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<v Speaker 2>thinking last night. I was thinking about your love of musak,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not at all ironic.

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<v Speaker 1>Not in the least, but you can't say that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing these days. People don't believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's true everyone. I know Josh very well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was thinking of your and I like all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of music too, but you know, at my heart,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a rock and roll guy. Sure, And I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about your top musical genres that are above rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll, and you're picking order, not in order. I

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<v Speaker 2>counted easy listening, musak, disco, art rock, crowd rock, and

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<v Speaker 2>I probably missed a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Crowd rock is below rock and roll. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>like crowdrock, it just doesn't quite jibe with me. I

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<v Speaker 1>like some, but not all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then stuff I think art rock because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of that avant garde, like I don't you don't

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<v Speaker 2>love Yoko, but you certainly are a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>Yoko apologist. Sure, Grace Jones stuff like that, But I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love Grace Jones for sure. What about talking heads? They

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<v Speaker 1>go in there too, right, they'd probably be. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they literally went to art school together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they kind of span from art rock

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<v Speaker 2>to new wave to like world music by the time

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<v Speaker 2>they finished.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I know, but uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I certainly love the Talking Heads, but all

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<v Speaker 2>of those, for you are above good old fashioned rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, you also left out nineties tech noo.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been listening to a lot of that accutely too,

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<v Speaker 1>like Alternate and the Prodigy and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But you love music, you really do.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I don't know, so I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>I like. I will listen to some of that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talking about we'll talk about emo in here,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, old sourpust Brian Eno, but I love listening

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<v Speaker 2>to his ambient stuff, which he sort of wrote as

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<v Speaker 2>an antidote to music. Again. We'll talk about that more later.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do like in certain circumstances that music thing

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<v Speaker 2>is really great to have on in my house as

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<v Speaker 2>background music, and it's sorts that same purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the big reasons why too, is because you

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<v Speaker 1>can get stuff done with it. Like lyrics can be

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<v Speaker 1>so distracting, they just latch onto your brain and say no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention to me. I'm I'm talking to you now.

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<v Speaker 1>Music does the opposite of that. It says, go be free,

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<v Speaker 1>but also enjoy this, Like there's there's like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>part of your brain that music can tap into that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't require your conscious thought, but it still produces like

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<v Speaker 1>good feeling. And you know, like Peo, people just smack

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<v Speaker 1>music around like it's just it's so bland and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so soulless, and I totally disagree with that. Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you actually stop and listen to music, it's really really

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<v Speaker 1>technically proficient. It's frequently well done. It's often very clever

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<v Speaker 1>and creative and inventive, which is really saying something. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing this when they in the confines of covering

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<v Speaker 1>an existing song in a way that makes it familiar

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<v Speaker 1>and easy to recognize but also takes away any intrusiveness

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<v Speaker 1>that it might have. It's tough to do. And I really,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love music. You're absolutely right, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to music this whole time. Yeah, not just when

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<v Speaker 1>we were when we were researching music today, but also

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<v Speaker 1>when I was researching the Havana syndrome, and I realized,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is my normal thing. This is the same

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I listen to when I'm researching anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we can go ahead and dispell a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of or not myths, but clear up a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things right off the bat. First of all, Musak is

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<v Speaker 2>a name brand, and people can kind of collectively use

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<v Speaker 2>the term music or have collectively use that term for

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<v Speaker 2>what's called like potted plant music or elevator music or

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<v Speaker 2>shopping music. But it is actual actually a brand name,

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<v Speaker 2>which we'll get to the history of. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>second thing is it gets the name elevator music. Part

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<v Speaker 2>of the myth is that people said, well, they put

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<v Speaker 2>it on elevators because people were afraid to death of

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<v Speaker 2>elevators early on, and it calmed people down, or it

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<v Speaker 2>covered up the noise of the clanking elevators.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never heard that before. You.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, neither one of those things are true. Total myth.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is that it was played on elevators, and

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<v Speaker 2>because you're in such a closed little box that's usually quiet,

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<v Speaker 2>it just was way more noticeable than like in a

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<v Speaker 2>big office full of people working. So people call the

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<v Speaker 2>elevator music.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my guess, right, Yeah, I mean, yeah, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>music gone elevators before? Before several decades in the twentieth century, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there weren't many elevators you could get on because people

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have elevators in their house. It was a public

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<v Speaker 1>building you were in where they weren't playing music of

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<v Speaker 1>some form very frequently music.

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<v Speaker 2>That Great Blues Brothers scene, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're they're going up to what the Cook County

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<v Speaker 1>Assessor's office and the like. There there's the entire Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department is after them, but they're forced to get

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<v Speaker 1>on this elevator and the girl from Ipanema is playing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my favorite part of that scene is there's

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<v Speaker 2>just dozens and hundreds of cops and swat guys just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hut when they're repelling and doing all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the one shot of the lone guy

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<v Speaker 2>repelling down the side of the building and he's by

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<v Speaker 2>himself just going hut.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one, so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another scene from around the era a few years

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<v Speaker 1>later from Airplane two where it's like ripped Torn. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's Ripped Torn. The party from the Larry Sanders Show. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know the other guy he's talking to.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, they're walking and talking and they have to

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<v Speaker 1>get on an elevator and the elevator door opens and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just blaring, like ear drum shattering decibel MacArthur Park

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to get on. People are coming off

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<v Speaker 1>the elevator like with their hands and their ears like

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<v Speaker 1>with splitting headaches from this. But it's just completely the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite way elevator music's supposed to be like. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good little scene too, as far as elevator music

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<v Speaker 1>goes well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's kind of one of the points too,

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<v Speaker 2>is Musak has long been a movie trope and a

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<v Speaker 2>TV trope and then been lampooned and scenes just like

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<v Speaker 2>the Blues brother scene where there's something chaotic going on

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<v Speaker 2>and then you cut back to the sound of Musaic

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<v Speaker 2>playing wherever the other scene is setting. Right, Yeah, very

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<v Speaker 2>very fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's started, a guess it started with The Blues Brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>which came out in nineteen eighty, But before that that

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<v Speaker 1>was like Musak was not really lampoon I mean, not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody liked it. It really kind of started to get

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<v Speaker 1>a little backlash in the late sixties early seventies, as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see, but there was a very significant chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century again from maybe nineteen fifty to nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll say where everywhere you went in public, including if

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<v Speaker 1>you took a Greyhound bus, or if you were on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane, or you happened to be an Air Force one,

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<v Speaker 1>or you were at the mall, in an elevator at

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<v Speaker 1>your office, everywhere muzak was playing. There was musach playing everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a part of life that you was inescapable.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually. Yeah, so let's go back in time and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the inventor of muzak. And this is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a fun fact of muzak. The man's name is George Square.

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<v Speaker 2>It is spelled Squire, but he swears it's pronounced square.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really impressed, man, I had not come up with.

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<v Speaker 2>That one or he swore it was pronounced square. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of one of the funny jokes, like

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who invented mus x was Square. But Major

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<v Speaker 2>General George Square was born in eighteen sixty five, if

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<v Speaker 2>you believe that, And he is just a laundry list

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<v Speaker 2>of accomplishments as a human being. He was he earned

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<v Speaker 2>a doctorate from Johns Hopkins in electrical science. He was

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<v Speaker 2>an Army engineer with a PhD. I think the first one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was I believe the lead Signal Corps officer

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<v Speaker 2>for the Army as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He was. He also was inducted into the National Academy

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<v Speaker 1>of Sciences, which connects this episode to the other one today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because he came up with something called a

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<v Speaker 1>tree telephone. He figured out how to use any tree,

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<v Speaker 1>but preferably one with fully leaved I guess, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you'd call that as a as a receiver

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<v Speaker 1>and transmitter for radio signals. He figured out how to

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<v Speaker 1>use a tree, a living tree for that.

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<v Speaker 2>He was. Here's another fun fact. He was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first airplane passengers ever because he was way into

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<v Speaker 2>human flight and got together with the Wright brothers and

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen oh six, consulted with them, and they said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you take a ride in our new little biplane.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll probably live right.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at our I looked at the document for

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<v Speaker 1>our Wright Brothers episode, and he did not appear. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we mentioned him, but he might. He might

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<v Speaker 1>have been the first airline passenger from what I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where he really made a big name for himself

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<v Speaker 2>pre Musaic was this invention, which is what we call multiplexing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is he figured out or maybe wire wireless communications,

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<v Speaker 2>which is something he worked on with the Army. He

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<v Speaker 2>basically figured out how to get multiple uses out of

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<v Speaker 2>single telephone lines. Telephone wires were you know, there are

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<v Speaker 2>only so many, so you were really limited as to

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<v Speaker 2>what you could do with them and how many people

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<v Speaker 2>could use them. So he basically figured out a way

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<v Speaker 2>to increase their output and efficiency by multiplexing and by

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<v Speaker 2>sending super imposing high frequency radio signals over those low

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<v Speaker 2>frequency telegraph signals, basically just allowing you to use the

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<v Speaker 2>wire at the same time, the same wire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, if you think of

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<v Speaker 1>like a wave, if it's low frequency, there's big, wide

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<v Speaker 1>gaps in between. You can fit a higher frequency that's

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<v Speaker 1>tighter and squished together in those gaps, and but you're

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<v Speaker 1>still using the same line. And you know, this was

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who came up with that. That's an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>advancement in telecommunications that were still put in use today

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<v Speaker 1>in some applications, but definitely helped like the early Internet along.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a huge contribution to humanity, like forget

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<v Speaker 1>even just music, like just that alone would would probably

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<v Speaker 1>warrant like an episode for George Square.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think he was like, everyone should be

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<v Speaker 2>able to use this, So I'm going to open source

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<v Speaker 2>it and everyone can use this new multiplexing technology. AT

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<v Speaker 2>and T came along and said, we'll use it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know what, you've stole it from us.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually right, he came up with it, but since he

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<v Speaker 1>left it open, they decided to just take it from

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<v Speaker 1>him and sue him for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he sued them, but it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, you're right, so he but he still was

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<v Speaker 1>able to use this wire wireless technology with multiplexing. And

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<v Speaker 1>at the time people were starting to get into radio broadcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>But radio wireless radio like that you would just have

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<v Speaker 1>in your house. It's picking up radio waves at a

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<v Speaker 1>station that was not widespread at the time. So George

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<v Speaker 1>Square said, you know what, I understand people want music

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<v Speaker 1>in their house. I'm going to give it to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to use that multiplexing technology and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to run sound waves over the electrical wires that go

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<v Speaker 1>into the house, and I'm going to sell this it

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<v Speaker 1>is brilliant. I'm going to sell this service to people's

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<v Speaker 1>homes for a dollar fifty a month, about twenty dollars today,

0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's just part of your utility bill because it's

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<v Speaker 1>coming in through your electrical company. And there's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>section of Cleveland called the Lakewood I believe Lakewood area

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<v Speaker 1>that was the pilot for this wired wireless radio that

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<v Speaker 1>George Square invented. The problem was is, by the time

0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.319
<v Speaker 1>they deployed it, wireless radio was already a thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we had this really great idea that just no

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<v Speaker 1>longer had an application.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was. He basically invented the first music subscription

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<v Speaker 2>service exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And he had multiple channels too, Like when you subscribed,

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<v Speaker 1>you got news, you got dance music. There was like

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<v Speaker 1>I think three different channels you could choose.

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<v Speaker 2>From Howard Stern.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Howard Stern was on back.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Baba Boobie. So he had that technology though, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you know what, this is a good idea,

0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.760
<v Speaker 2>though maybe I can think of how to use this

0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.320
<v Speaker 2>in offices and stores. And in nineteen thirty four he

0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.440
<v Speaker 2>looked up at Kodak, very successful corporation and said, I

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<v Speaker 2>love that name, and I love music. Let's just call

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<v Speaker 2>it music and history changed and maybe we should take

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<v Speaker 2>a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's do it all right, We'll be right back. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in the parlance of today, Chuck George Square and his

0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Musak Corporation pivoted from home consumer markets to business markets.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just knocked it out of the park because

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out that there were a lot of companies, hotels, restaurants, clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Stork Club was an early customer that said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, it's really going to make our place

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<v Speaker 1>seem fancy if we've got music piping in all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, we would like to sign up for your service.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really where music kind of started to take off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Musak, I mean we haven't even said what

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<v Speaker 2>it is, surely people know, but muzak are instrumental tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>And you did mention that there were no vocals, so

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of hinted the big one. Yeah, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are instrumental tracks that are cover songs of kind of

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<v Speaker 2>anything you can think of. I mean that have hearts,

0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:06.640
<v Speaker 2>some music of some heavy rock. It can be classical music,

0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.120
<v Speaker 2>it can be old standards. But the point is they

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<v Speaker 2>are instrumental versions that are re recorded. They don't just

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<v Speaker 2>take the vocals out. It's not carry oukay style, right,

0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:20.440
<v Speaker 2>It is re record arranged and recorded by professional, really

0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:25.720
<v Speaker 2>good musicians orchestras. Sometimes, Yeah, and it is, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>it is, and it's great the end.

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<v Speaker 1>And very very frequently it's it's made into a much

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<v Speaker 1>more mellow version of itself, Like any rough edges are

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<v Speaker 1>taken off. Since they take the vocals out, it's not

0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.480
<v Speaker 1>like there's no there that vocal melody is non existing

0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.040
<v Speaker 1>any longer. They just replace it with something else. So

0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.440
<v Speaker 1>if they're trying to go for something like a little

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<v Speaker 1>more upbeat or up tempo, they'll replace the vocals with,

0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.680
<v Speaker 1>say like a saxophone. If they're trying to do something

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<v Speaker 1>a little more mellow, they'll replace the vocals with a

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<v Speaker 1>string section.

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<v Speaker 2>Or harp perhaps.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's one of the things that that musaic is

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<v Speaker 1>very famous for, is like what's called masses of strings,

0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.240
<v Speaker 1>just strings upon strings. In fact, one of the early

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<v Speaker 1>I guess big name groups that produced musak was called

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and one Strings. They probably were absolutely accurate

0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:24.040
<v Speaker 1>in that, like there's just a lot tons of strings everywhere, violins,

0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.720
<v Speaker 1>cello's violas, every string instrument you can throw at it.

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<v Speaker 1>They just layer upon layer in these songs. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hallmarks of musak.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there are many versions of Antonio Carlos Shobiam's

0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Go from Epanima, but the music version is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most popular, and that one hundred and one strings

0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.959
<v Speaker 2>version is the most ubiquitous from that lot. I do

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<v Speaker 2>encourage people to go watch the YouTube though, of Frank

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<v Speaker 2>Sinatra and Joe Beim singing that song live on TV,

0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.320
<v Speaker 2>because it's great and every way they're just sitting next

0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to each other, and the shot isn't wide at first,

0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're just sort of singing back and forth to

0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.840
<v Speaker 2>each other and Frank Stone is saying, then it cuts

0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>to the wide and Frank is like totally kicked back

0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.960
<v Speaker 2>with his legs crossed with a cigarette in his hand,

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.680
<v Speaker 2>exactly like you would hope. But he looks like, I mean,

0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it looks like he just not rolled out of bed

0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 2>because he's put together, but he looks like he rolled

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<v Speaker 2>from his wicker bag to his wicker chair right for

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<v Speaker 2>this performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get some cocaine in here? Baby?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's Joe Piscopos, Frank Sinatra.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever listen to Joe beam stuff?

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, dude, I love that old lounge stuff. It's

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.159
<v Speaker 2>really great Brazilian stuff.

0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. His record Stone Flower is just a masterpiece from

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But that's a good party music.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That's another thing though too. It's like it's so

0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:52.000
<v Speaker 1>mellow that to take that kind of music and then

0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.280
<v Speaker 1>make it into musak is like it's almost like it

0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.919
<v Speaker 1>takes a certain amount of audacity, Like I was listening

0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.199
<v Speaker 1>to I found so there's want to I want to

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<v Speaker 1>point people the two different music records that are on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>One is called More Than Music, Period and Environment. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen eighty one musak record and it has a

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<v Speaker 1>version of Sailing Christopher Crosses Sailing.

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 2>One of the most area music sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. They figured out how to basically make you

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:30.840
<v Speaker 1>lose control of your bladder listening to this exactly. Yeah,

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.679
<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. And then the other one is

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<v Speaker 1>called the Blue Album, uh, and it is from nineteen

0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.440
<v Speaker 1>seventy four, I believe, And it's just both of them

0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.439
<v Speaker 1>are really great. That's good good introductions to musaic if

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you're not into it already, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So music is trucking along in the thirties. They get

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<v Speaker 2>to the forties and they think, you know what, we

0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>need a better way to sell this stuff and to

0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:01.320
<v Speaker 2>pitch this to businesses and corporations. So why don't we

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.280
<v Speaker 2>hire some people to research music and to figure out

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.920
<v Speaker 2>what kinds of music keep people happy and working? And

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<v Speaker 2>because people, you know, they work hard in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they sort of lag a bit before lunch,

0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and then they really lag sort of a couple of

0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>hours after lunch. So why don't we do this? So

0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 2>why don't we study it? Let's call it stimulus progression.

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:28.639
<v Speaker 2>It's a bit pseudoscience. It makes sense it is in

0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.080
<v Speaker 2>that it's not been proven. It makes sense to everyone

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 2>who I feel like knows about it, Like sure, music

0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.960
<v Speaker 2>can pick you up and make you work harder, But

0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>it's pseudoscience in that it's I don't think it's ever

0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:43.000
<v Speaker 2>been scientifically proven.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotcha, okay, yeah, because I keep seeing it just

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like dismissed as pseudoscience. But then there were plenty of

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.919
<v Speaker 1>early studies that were done by legitimate industrial psychologists and

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.959
<v Speaker 1>other like efficiency experts, that kind of thing that showed

0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:02.240
<v Speaker 1>that there really was a significant like improvement and productivity

0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.640
<v Speaker 1>or less sick days, that kind of stuff in places

0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that have musaic compared to places that didn't have music

0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>pumped into the office.

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think maybe they're specific claims about a work day. Okay,

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.680
<v Speaker 2>might have been a little I mean everywhere I read

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 2>said it was basically not a marketing scam, but a

0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 2>marketing tool that they kind of invented.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotcha. But so one thing to say about this

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.920
<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about it in a second stimulus progression,

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 1>is that they did kind of plow money that they

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.159
<v Speaker 1>were making. We're making a lot of money starting in

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the late forties early fifties, they plowed it back into

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 1>research to basically come up with scientific evidence to back

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.480
<v Speaker 1>up their claims, which you can really kind of see

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the ghost of George Square still looming over the company,

0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:56.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, this decade or so after he died. That

0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it's always been this kind of science interested, if not

0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:06.959
<v Speaker 1>science based company that's also been an early adopter of technology,

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:07.679
<v Speaker 1>as we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that is certainly fair. It was never

0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 2>just like, hey, we're just going to play a bunch

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 2>of what people might consider droll background music, like they

0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 2>really did. I think I don't think it was a scam.

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I think they really did try to study working environments.

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.160
<v Speaker 2>And what they did with his stimulus progression was they

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:32.240
<v Speaker 2>divided the work day into fifteen minute increments and basically

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:37.679
<v Speaker 2>set a DJ playlist every fifteen minutes, and they assigned

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a stimulus value from one to six, one being really

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 2>really mellow, six being you know, super up. And they

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.879
<v Speaker 2>basically went through and almost like a Pandora sort of

0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 2>curated playlist type of thing to get people to work

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 2>hard and efficiently throughout a day, and companies bought in,

0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.000
<v Speaker 2>including the US Army.

0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we're World War two is basically cited

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<v Speaker 1>as the moment when music kind of proved itself enough

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>at least to start being adopted by very large companies.

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 1>And then within a few years after the war, by

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.360
<v Speaker 1>like the very early fifties, they started to spread more

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and more to even smaller and smaller companies. And it

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was this idea that if you played music and music's

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:27.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, patented stimulus progression model, you know you're going

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to avoid that mid morning slump that like every worker

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>goes through, you know, in productivity, and then the mid

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 1>afternoon slump. You could avoid that too, and think about

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>how many more widgets you could make if your employees don't,

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, slack off productivity wise at ten, from ten

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 1>thirty to lunch, and then from like two thirty until

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 1>they go home. Like imagine if this this very pleasant

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 1>music is just kind of keeping them humming along what

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.439
<v Speaker 1>people call a forward it's just an unconscious sense of

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 1>forward momentum. The tempo in your environment is moving subtly

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:10.120
<v Speaker 1>faster and faster, and so to keep people from going insane,

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>part of the stimulus progression was that the songs in

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.479
<v Speaker 1>a fifteen minute increment would kind of go up in tempo,

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and then you'd have a fifteen minute break of silence,

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 1>and then the music would come back on again. But

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>then this fifteen minutes their first song, the tempo of

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 1>their first song would probably start a little faster than

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the tempo of the first song of the last fifteen minutes,

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.159
<v Speaker 1>And so all of a sudden, next thing, you know,

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you're making whidge. It's like a maniac because you're being

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>manipulated by this stimulus progression model. At least again, according

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 1>to muzak I, get what you're saying. Like, it's not like,

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, Harvard came along and said, yes, we've studied

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>this thoroughly, and this is exactly what happens. This is

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, company claims, but it is intuitively sensible at least.

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, I mean you need only to host house

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:06.719
<v Speaker 2>party and play music yourself to determine how music can

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 2>affect the mood of a group of people. Put on

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 2>groove is in the heart, and you know what's gonna happen.

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everybody's gonna shake their groove thing.

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.959
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's gonna shape their group thing, shake their group thing.

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 2>If you put in old sour pus. Brian ENO's music

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 2>for Airports not a good party thing.

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 1>No it's not. And since you brought him up for

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the second time, I say we discuss Brian you know

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:32.879
<v Speaker 1>momentarily sure.

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean I love that record, and I love a

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of his stuff, including his ambient music experimental records.

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really really good stuff to have on

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 2>if it's a nice gray day outside and you're getting

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 2>work done. I really enjoyed his background music, but it's

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 2>definitely not up in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what I found is a really good one

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>for what you just described. You ever listen to Future

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Sound of lund No. They have an album, like a

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 1>double album called life Forms, and it's it's about as

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>amazing as ambient gets. So you should check that one out.

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Embly, Emily got me into ambient I call her Embly

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>when she's listening to that stuff. She really got me.

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>She called it ambient groove. She really got me into

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. Over the years. Is that like like zero

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.879
<v Speaker 2>seven and you know, stuff that's she calls it ambient groovy,

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>just sort of sort of mellow and groovy and like

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 2>zero seven and more Chiba. And it was a certain

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 2>era I think where that stuff peaked Massive Attack a

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.439
<v Speaker 2>little bit. Oh yeah, it's good stuff.

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you'd like life Forms then the Future

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Sign of London stuff is normally at a little more

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's super cerebral and intelligent, but it's also

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>fairly dancy. Life Forms is way it's probably their most

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>ambient stuff around.

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 2>So Ino though, let's get back to him. He kind

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of came up with this as an as an antidote

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>to music, right.

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, if you like ambient music, you better thank your

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>lucky stars for muzak because we're not for muzak. You

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>might not have ambient music, at least not now. Maybe

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it would becoming fifty years from now, who knows.

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said, I loved that. In this article, it says,

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>as reported by Red Bull Music, Eno said this, and

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>this was I think for the liner notes actually to

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 2>airport or music for airports. Whereas can music's intention is

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 2>to brighten the environment by adding stimulus to it, ambient

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>music is intended to induce calm and space into space

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to think, ambient music must be able to accommodate many

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 2>levels of listening attention without enforcing one. In particular, it

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>must be as ignorable as it is interesting.

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>So he hits on something though, that people would come

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to really resent about musak is not even just necessarily

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>the syrupiness of the music itself, but the intent behind

0:27:55.680 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the music. That it was always intended to basic manipulate

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>your mood into making you a better worker, a more

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>docile consumer. That it was poking at your brain to

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>again to get you to do things that you may

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>or may not want to do. Maybe you will be

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>less likely to punch some guy on the bus because

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>there's musac playing, which is a good thing. We should

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>not be punching other people on the bus. But the

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 1>point is that you're being mind controlled in a certain way.

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>And eventually people got kind of resentful of that.

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's true.

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>We're not there yet, though. We're not there yet. Though.

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>There was actually a point in time, though, Chuck, where

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>musak and popular music were basically one and the same.

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was sort of I mean, one of the

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>heydays of musac certainly was in that. When you know,

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 2>when Glen the Glenn Miller Orchestra was pop music on

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>the radio. Music wasn't a far stretch from some of

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, so it was sort of all one and

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 2>the same. I think it was as that as styles

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>changed and the sixties and seventies start rolling along, that

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 2>musaic became really sort of a bad word to a

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of people, right.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>And one of the reasons I saw that really explained

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it to me, because you know, things change. The society

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>just changed between the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties.

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>It just abruptly changed. But that doesn't fully explain why

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>musaic just was suddenly looked down upon. A good explanation

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I saw is that lyrics became really really important in

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the late sixties. People had something to say, and music

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>does not include lyrics. It completely undermines the point of

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>music if you put lyrics in, or don't you know,

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>don't rearrange the lyrics with strings. So music kind of

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>couldn't couldn't keep up with that. It's not like it

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>went away, it doubled down. It kept doing what it

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>was doing. And in fact, it would take some of

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>those pop hits that had really monumentally important lyrics and

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>just take the lyrics out and replace it with a

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>saxophone or something like that.

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't think do that. I think it's interesting.

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 2>They could have had a really mellow singer at a

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>certain point come in and they I really respect the

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>fact that they were like, Nope, the singer is a

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>violin and I don't want to hear it anymore. Right.

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of these songwriters, in particular, like I

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>think Joan Baez, Bruce Springsteen, Boz Skaggs, all of them

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>refused to let their music be covered by MUSAK or

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>any of its competitors. But Paul Simon I saw, said

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>he always knew he had a hit when he heard

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a musaic version of it like at the mall or

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>something like that, which it's kind of like weird Al

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>covering Nirvana, Like Cobain said that he knew that Nirvana

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>had made it when weird Al covered smells like teen Spirit.

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it's basically the same thing. Oh.

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I think most musicians, unless you're a Ted Nugent who

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>uh And we'll get to that. But very famously sort

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of offered to buy music when they fill upon hard

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 2>times so he could basically burn it to the ground.

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I think most musicians deep down think it's kind of

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>an honor when one of their songs is musicified.

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>It's got yeah, you'd have to play right. I just

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>want to find out what somebody's going to do with it, because,

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like I was saying at the beginning, like it really

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>takes some creativity to come up with, Okay, what can

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I replace this with that's not just completely predictable or boring,

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>but also isn't going to grab everybody's attention, because that's

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>again not the point of music. It's it's one of

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the the I don't know if it was a slogan

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Musaic Corporation or not, but they basically said

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that they fill in the awkward pauses in life m

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to where it's, yeah, you don't like It's like you

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>were saying at the party, if you're at a party

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't have any music on, you just probably just

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>get smashed out of your skull because you're just trying

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to lose kate the social situation so much. Whereas if

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you put on music, it's like it takes a lot

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>of that edge off. That was one of the points

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>too with Musak, and then also to kind of get

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you to linger a little longer when you were shopping

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in a store that was part of it as well.

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean music. We almost always have music on

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.719
<v Speaker 2>in our house unless you know, it's night and we're watching,

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, a movie or watching something on TV. But

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>it almost all waking hours we have music playing in

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 2>our home, and it just feels weird and quiet and

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>not full of life when it's when there's no music happening, Right,

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.479
<v Speaker 2>It's strange. It can be strange for sure. Should we

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>take a break?

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're we have reached basically the early seventies when

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it is Musak's first crisis point, and we'll come back

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>to that after this.

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>All right, So I'm born in nineteen seventy one, and

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 2>muzak starts to die a little bit because a real

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 2>rock and roller came into the world.

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right, born with a gene jacket with the Van

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Halen logo on marker in the back.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 2>It did not go away completely though, it was just

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of, I guess, the beginning of the end. But

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>that didn't mean there wasn't still a business model for

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>musak because music was never about its popularity.

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>No, but there was a time where it was popular.

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Like JFK had it on Air Force one, Eisenhower had

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>it piped into the White House, it was playing on

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>board Apollo eleven. Yeah, like it was like it was everywhere.

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Like it's really hard to get across how ubiquitous it was.

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>But I found a quote from a guy named Professor

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Gary Gumpert of Queens College in New York.

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>He said that that at the time, music was just

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of amniotic fluid that surrounds us. It never startles us.

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>It is never too loud, it's never too silent. It's

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 1>always there. And that was what it was like. You

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>were just kind of moving from one placid bucolic field

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>to the next, going from mall to mall, store to store,

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>elevator to elevator, bus ride to bus ride. It was

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>just absolutely everywhere. So compared to that, the idea that

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely everywhere unquestioned. Yeah. It really kind of started

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to take a bit of a downturn in the seventies,

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>but it just didn't go anywhere yet. It took decades

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 1>for it to really take a hit. Yeah.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean even in the eighties, that was syndicated in

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>nineteen countries. There were eighty million people listening, whether or

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 2>not they wanted to or not, listening to music every day. Yeah,

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And the company ended up being bought and sold a

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.280
<v Speaker 2>couple of times over the years. I think in eighty

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 2>one or in seventy two, a company called Teleprompter owned it, Yeah,

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and eighty one Westinghouse bought it. And I don't know

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>if I believe this. The story goes that Westinghouse learned

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 2>later on when they were buying Teleprompter that they owned music,

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>and apparently they didn't know that.

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what funding Universe dot Com says.

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I mean, who doesn't. Maybe back then

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 2>they didn't do research into purchasing entire corporations, but they.

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Were on a lot of Scotch at the time.

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Man, although we've had companies that bought websites. And then

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>they learned there was a podcast program attached.

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I think I've heard of that Things You Should Do

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:48.879
<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was actually that could happen now that I

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 2>think about it, that's right.

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of actually felt a deeper affinity for

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>music when I learned how many times they've been passed

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>around corporation by corporation.

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 2>And then I think in the I think it was

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 2>was when did Yesco come along? Was that the nineties?

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>So Yesco was around from the sixties.

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Well when they finally came together though, right.

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they were early competitor, no, I guess that

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of a mid midlife competitor to Musak. But by

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the eighties Yesco had established a name for itself by

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>doing basically the opposite of what Musak did. Rather than

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>making you know, covers of canned music without lyrics, they

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>would just go get the licenses of like the hot

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>new song of the of the moment and play those

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and so rather than background music, which is what Musac's

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>whole jam was, these guys were pioneering foreground music. And

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 1>they were just a small little outfit from Seattle that

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you know. It was kind of like the little engine

0:36:56.160 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>that could. And they changed the entire landscape audio landscape

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of the United States just by being persistent by getting

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that word out that, hey, now, foreground's the way to go,

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>not background, that's old stuff.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that's why today when you go

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>into publics to do your grocery shopping, you'll hear Christopher

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Cross singing sailing instead of the music version of sailing.

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can't we just get both? Though?

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Sure do we.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Have to choose?

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm a big Christopher Cross fan. You're not

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>going to find a bigger fan than me.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>For real. You like him that much.

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>He's great. I got his two big albums I still

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>have on my shelf.

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well he's sitting in the other room at

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 1>my house right now.

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess you're the bigger fan. Yeah, you're like, no, no, no,

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 2>he's just tied up.

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was gonna say he's not here on his

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 1>will and his own will. In fact, you could make

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>a pretty strong cases here against his will.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>But so in nineteen eighty four of those when Yesco

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 2>got officially involved with Musak. I think Muzak was did

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>they actually file for bankruptcy or were they just at

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that sort of Mount precipice.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Not yet, they were teetering right there on the edge.

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>And it was actually they were bought by the Fields Company,

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the company that owns Marshall Field. So Chicago makes another

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>appearance and the Fields Company said, we like where this

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Yesco group is going, We're going to merge with them.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 1>So Musak actually merged with Yesco, the smaller company, but

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>then ended up moving to Seattle right before the grunge

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>movement hit. So Seattle's big musical contribution before Grunge was

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Musak exactly.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing the I remember seeing that logo. I

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>mean you'd probably seen the vans around before and really

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>not known it's that m with the circle around it, right.

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I first saw that, I was like,

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, is that the Musac that's it?

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that was a big update. They apparently went

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>with some design group I can't remember the name of

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:02.959
<v Speaker 1>it that just completely invented the brand because they went

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 1>from being in the background to manipulating your mood using

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>stimulus progression to this other thing, this new sound made

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>up sounding thing called what's it called quantum physics mechanics.

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>So keep guessing what else?

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Realm leap? Those are all the quantums.

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I know there's got to be another one, Chuck, because

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm still looking. Sorry, is that thing called it's called

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>it's quantum leap? What was this called it? Quantum leap? Sure,

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>So with this quantum leap thing that they had going on,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the Bacula effect, quantum modulation, the Bacula effect, quantum modulation. Okay, okay,

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I like Bacula effect, that's a great one. With quantum modulation,

0:39:55.680 --> 0:40:02.399
<v Speaker 1>it was we are evoking an emotion that is now

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>tied forever to this the brand that you're shopping, your store,

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>you're shopping and yeah, yeah, sure, so like this this one.

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>So they hire people who make playlists, who curate these

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 1>playlists that are start to finish. They all share this

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>one theme. They all kind of have this one like cool,

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>not scary, uh, super hip, beachy, you know, spring Break

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, whatever, the best, So that like

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a company will will say this is this is what

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>our brand is all about. Give us playlists that fit this.

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:43.760
<v Speaker 1>And so now you're you're kind of like you feel

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>cool because of the music of where you're shopping, and

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>so that makes you want to shop and associate yourself

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.359
<v Speaker 1>with that place even more. That's what musak, That's what

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the what's called neo musak is all about. That's that's

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the current state of affairs and the industry.

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like take if you want to use Armani Exchange

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>as an example, what they'll do is they will literally

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 2>try and make like a DJ mix with that has

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>beat matches and it doesn't break the momentums and it's

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>all cross faded. Whereas if Ann Taylor calls them up,

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't want a cross fade. They want Selene Dion

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 2>songs and then a little bit of a small break

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 2>and then a sting song coming on and these gentle

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>fades in and fades out, and you know, it's the

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 2>same sort of stuff as just curated foreground music. What

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I love about music is in the end, when they

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 2>were finally acquired, they had one point five million commercially

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>recorded songs in their catalog and they call that the Well,

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 2>that's amazing, almost eight hundred Beatles songs it is.

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why they never fully went under is

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that catalog kept them commercially viable for sale.

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Super valuable. It's got to be.

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So they were bought and I think two thousand

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and nine maybe by a group called Mood Music twenty eleven,

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 1>and then two years later they retired the music name

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>forever just couldn't do anything with it. So now it's

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Mood Music is the company that owns the well. But

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>they're doing that whole four okay, they're doing that whole

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>foreground music quantum modulation type thing where you know, you

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.280
<v Speaker 1>just associate a brand with a certain kind of music.

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Like you would walk into that Armani Exchange and hear

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, Simon yeah, Christopher Cross, You'd be like, something's

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:38.280
<v Speaker 1>off here? The mood mood what is it? Mood media?

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Their their job is to make sure that there's nothing

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>off while you're in that store, that it all just

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of fits together and you feel good about where

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>you're shopping.

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, though, Man, you want to you want

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 2>to move some Harmoni gear put on, you can call

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 2>me out. Just it fly off, man.

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Those kids would freak out there. Their frosted tips would

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>stand up on and.

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Then and then they're like what is this. This is amazing.

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I've never felt more alive.

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Why is Chevy Jason here?

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh Man.

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 2>A really cool thing though, is what you were talking

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 2>about with Musaic being on the tech forefront. It's really

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>cool that over the years they were always early adopters

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 2>of tech, and it's funny to think about them that way,

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 2>but they were always on the leading edge and the

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 2>forefront of what technology was doing.

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they I don't know if they invented them,

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 1>but they certainly were early adopters, if not pioneers in

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>vinyl records. People were not using vinyl at the time.

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Then they eventually ditched the vinyl records in favor of

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>an electronic brain called mater m the number eight and

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>the letter R, which basically was a big deck of

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 1>real the real tapes. They had a bunch of different

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 1>songs on it, but they had different inaudible pulses that

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 1>would trigger a different one to come on next. You

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>could curate lists on these huge reel to reels. It

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>was just amazing. They were using this thing starting in

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the fifties, so the whole thing became automated. They launched

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.760
<v Speaker 1>their own satellite in the seventies. They had a computer

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>database in the seventies. Like they were very much pioneers

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and early adopters of a lot of different technology that

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>we take for granted today.

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that you could make an argument that

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 2>they were doing the Pandora Spotify think decades before they

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 2>were doing it.

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.919
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Yeah. I mean the whole point of it too,

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>was virtually unchanged. I mean, it's not necessarily to make

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you a docile shopper anymore, but it's like they're trying

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to make you feel like that brand is part of

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>your identity by evoking memories in you using songs to

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>unlock them. Totally pretty interesting stuff.

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm going to go, what were those two records again?

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to write this down.

0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, one is more than music period and environment nineteen

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>eighty one musak record that has not just sailing on

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>It has Olivia Newton John's Magic has take your Time,

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Do It Right, which I don't care if the lyrics

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>are there or not. If you're sitting next to your

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>mom in a doctor's office and baby, you can do it.

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Take your Time, Do It Right comes on. You both

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>know what that song's about. You know it may even

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 1>be more uncomfortable in that situation, and then it ends

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>with funky Town Nice. It's a good one. The other

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>one is called the Blue Album. It's a complete stimulus

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 1>progression album, and it has a bunch of good songs

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>on it, including Orlean's Dance with Me, which is, if

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you ask me, the musaic covers way better than the original.

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 2>So not to be confused with Weezer's Blue Album.

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>No, that's a little different. And then if you're like, oh,

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it's music's floating my boat, go start looking up Ronnie Aldrich,

0:45:55.400 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Frank Checksfield, Montevanni, and just start yeah.

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 2>And if eventually you're like, I'm feeling really goosey, how

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>about some actual vocalists going on? And then you'll just

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:11.439
<v Speaker 2>go right into Josh's other favorite, which is yacht rock,

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>easy listening.

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I like yacht rock a lot too. I'm super right

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 1>now into West Coast cool jazz. Stan Getz chet Baker. Yeah, oh,

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I can't remember his name, but I

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>just got into him. He's a great jazz pianist from

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that era. Bill Evans, the Bill Evans Trio, Oh love

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Bill Evans. You're just getting into Bill Evans. Yeah, I

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 1>just just started getting into him. I started with Chet

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Baker and just started working my way out.

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Vincecaraldi is another great one. And I know he's known

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 2>for the Charlie Brown stuff, but all of Vincecaraldy is great.

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is. You can tell just by the Charlie

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Brown album that he's an amazing jazz good stuff. So, Chuck,

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.479
<v Speaker 1>I have one more thing. There's you know, people hate

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>music a lot, so there's some artists who have like

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.439
<v Speaker 1>tried to a lot of artists have tried to make

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 1>hey out of the whole thing. But one guy, David Schaeffer,

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>had something from back in two thousand or two thousand

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 1>and two something. He had X ten R Dot one

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and X ten R Dot two, these two CDs that

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he released that were basically his weird unnerving remixes of

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.959
<v Speaker 1>Musak that just turns the whole thing on its head

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:25.919
<v Speaker 1>so much so that like you may laugh out loud

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 1>when you first hear them. And I believe they're on

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 1>his website, but it's like a it's like Musak, but

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>what you would hear in your nightmares. Okay, it's really good,

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and I believe he's got it on his website to

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>go listen to and I think you can buy the

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 1>CDs too, so check that out.

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:42.839
<v Speaker 2>We'll check it out.

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, if you want to know more about Musak,

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 1>just start listening and loving. Just just don't prejudge. How

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.799
<v Speaker 1>about that? And since I said don't prejudge everybody, that

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 1>means it's time for listener male.

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call this from Lauren. Hey, guys, a man

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 2>walks down the street and says, why am I soft

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 2>in the middle? The rest of my life is so hard?

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait a minute, Sorry.

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>What a perfect email for this one.

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I was reading my forearm tattoo by accident. Hey, guys,

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 2>been listening to stuff you should know for a few years.

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Off and turn up the volume and play an episode

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 2>while I cooked dinner. My seven year old daughter Lila

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.719
<v Speaker 2>used to complain, oh, you're listening to this again. But

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I recently caught her singing the beat to the intro music,

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and she'll casually mention things she's heard from time to time.

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I suspect she's fond of the animal episodes. Anyway, you'll

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 2>jokingly sometimes say Jerry, well, you have to edit that.

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to edit that part out, and it

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 2>has me curious how often things are cut from an

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.919
<v Speaker 2>episode and why bad jokes too long? Have you ever

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 2>had to completely redo one? I think it'd be really

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 2>interesting to know, and I bet Lilah would find it

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.479
<v Speaker 2>encouraging since she likes to make videos of herself singing

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.919
<v Speaker 2>and dancing for the record, y'all make it effortless and

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 2>see effortless and it's always a joy to listen to.

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:05.839
<v Speaker 2>That is Lauren from Montablo, Alabama, and she said, yes that. Yeah,

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 2>you're probably right.

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 1>You put a little too much mustard on there.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>She says, ps, how cool if a mom would I

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 2>be if my daughter heard her names on the podcast?

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Cool?

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 2>So there you go, Lauren and Lilah. The answer is.

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Very little gets edited out, just the singing and dancing.

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Like that siren in the background.

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>We'll probably just leave that into proven leave that in.

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 2>No, we don't edit a lot out occasionally, like we

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 2>found out when we said this before. Early on, we

0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 2>left in the words stumbles and the ums and the

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 2>uzz and just because it's a conversation and we didn't

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 2>want to make it seem too scripted because it's not,

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:43.879
<v Speaker 2>or canned because it's not. And so we just left

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 2>that stuff in there. And the only time, like like

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I think today you had to look something up real quick.

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't happen much.

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had to poke my head out of the

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>studio and look at my record collection to come up

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to Evans name.

0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>So I mean that's gone now, but very little is

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 2>edit it out. It's especially after this many years. It's

0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 2>we're not one take wonders, but it's Cherry doesn't have

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:06.879
<v Speaker 2>the harness job in the world.

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:12.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've taken it easy on her for years. Yeah, yeah,

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that's about it, Chuck. I can't think of anything else

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>we really added out.

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:19.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's not to say that shows that are heavily

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:22.879
<v Speaker 2>edited and varies kind of scripty and slick, like there's

0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 2>a room for those two. Oh yeah, we're not the

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 2>only way to do it now.

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:29.839
<v Speaker 1>We're like the Musac of podcasts. There's other people who

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.359
<v Speaker 1>are all like the Ted NuGen of podcasts, and there's

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 1>room for both.

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like Roman Mars, the Ted NuGen of podcasting.

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 1>That's right, man, that guy's always wearing like a studded

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 1>leather wrist band and stuff.

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 2>I keep waiting on Roman to text me and being

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<v Speaker 2>like you guys are consistently talking smack about me.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't listen, and no one he knows listens listens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's impossible, So who is that? Lila and Lauren correct nice. Well,

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