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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful mom is found stripped, murdered,

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Speaker 1: her body charred down a ravine. I'm talking, of course,

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Speaker 1: about Deborah Debbie Collier, and still no arrest. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in serious X one eleven. There

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Speaker 1: may not be an arrest yet, but a lot has

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Speaker 1: happened during the last seventy two hours. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: path deep into the woods where Collier's unclothed body was

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Speaker 1: ultimately found. Investigators believe whoever was responsible attempted to burn

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Speaker 1: the body. Collier's red was also found nearby. I'm scared

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Speaker 1: for my family, but fear in man. One person told

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Speaker 1: me off camera he noticed the van for a few days,

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Speaker 1: but didn't think anything of it because cars break down often. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a lot to take in just right there. One of

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Speaker 1: the things we were hearing is that the rental car

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Speaker 1: of Debbie Collier was parked there for a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: That can't be right. But how long had it been

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Speaker 1: parked there? Because that's very important. That really narrows the timeline.

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Speaker 1: We've got an all star panel, but first I want

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Speaker 1: to go to Cody Alcorn, reporter eleven Alive w XIA

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Speaker 1: on the case from the very beginning. Cody, did you

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Speaker 1: hear Eric Perry talking about And that was Daniel Shelton

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Speaker 1: who was talking to Fox five describing how he and

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Speaker 1: others are afraid right now. He said he had noticed

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Speaker 1: a few days? But how long can we narrow it down? Pinpoint?

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Speaker 1: When her rental, her SUV was part there on the

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Speaker 1: reports that they filed from that scene when her body

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Speaker 1: was found on the eleventh. A deputy saw that vehicle

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Speaker 1: at five pm on Saturday the ten. So that's the

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Speaker 1: official that we also been hearing since that that eyewitnesses

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Speaker 1: saw that car there as early as three o'clock on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: So the timeline I have been able to put together

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Speaker 1: Let's go with three and the day she was reported missing,

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Speaker 1: which would have been the ten with me, high profile

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Speaker 1: on Facebook at Renee dot Rockwell. Renee, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. You know where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 1: I want to narrow that timeline because the husband is

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Speaker 1: saying he saw her SUV part in the driveway that

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Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the timeline, and that would put

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Speaker 1: the car at earliest there at three pm. It takes

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Speaker 1: an hour to get there, which means at the latest

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Speaker 1: the car would have had to leave her home at

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Speaker 1: two pm. And there I've got a timeline between nine

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Speaker 1: am and two pm. Well, it's important, especially for any

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Speaker 1: potential suspects, because we're going to need a timeline on

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Speaker 1: those people as well. Nancy. Yeah, I mean if you

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Speaker 1: can get alibied, for instance, or like you're saying, cell phone,

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Speaker 1: say I can get Walmart video on you, Renee Rockwell,

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Speaker 1: at let's just say two pm, an hour away, then

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Speaker 1: it's probably not you. Anybody that has a cell phone

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Speaker 1: eleven Alive to Xia, I'm hearing a red purse. Is

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Speaker 1: it a red purse or is it a red tote?

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Speaker 1: So what it's listed as in the report is that

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Speaker 1: Did you just say that they said a tote bag?

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Speaker 1: that's important. Karen Stark, would you please explain to Cody

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Speaker 1: Alcorn the difference between a tote bag and a purse.

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Speaker 1: Purse will have personal belonging. Will you be able to

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Speaker 1: tell from the purse is this her purse? And that

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Speaker 1: makes a big difference. A totebad could have been left,

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Speaker 1: Karen starting joining me. Renowned psychologists joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Manhattan today. You can find her Karen Stark dot Com.

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Speaker 1: That's Karen with the sea. Also with me Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Starve or brand new hit series Body

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Speaker 1: Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. He is the host and

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Speaker 1: you can find that on iHeart wherever you download your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Another thing that's imported. And I agree with

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Speaker 1: what Karen start just said. And remember everybody, Renee Rockwell,

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Speaker 1: Cody Alcorn, this ain't high tea at Windsor Castle. Jump

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Speaker 1: in if you have a thought, now's the time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about a red purse versus a red coat. Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, she took me seriously, go ahead, Yes, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Purse going somewhere, No red toat? Was she leaving? Did

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Speaker 1: the drama. I believe shit pack more than a red toat.

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Speaker 1: what Renee said could be important. What about it, Cody. No,

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Speaker 1: over and over that she Debbie Collier, left with nothing

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Speaker 1: for report indicates investigators so our red tote bag near

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Speaker 1: up anything, Nancy? Go ahead? Where did she leave from?

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00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: It clears up the question of did she know on

425
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Speaker 1: her own, independently where her mother's body was. Alcorn is

426
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: telling me the cops told her the general area, and

427
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: she went that way and saw all the cops, So

428
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: that clears that up. Let's get the general area and

429
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: you and I will go tonight and see if we

430
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: can figure out where everything is. Nancy, this is what

431
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: I want to know. Where was she at three ten

432
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: when the money was sent? Why would she wait several

433
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: hours after a cryptic message like that, which sounds scary

434
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: to me to call the police and say, wait a minute,

435
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: something's going on here. What were their movements? Cody Alcorn

436
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: joining us from eleven Alive after the daughter gets the

437
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: message about they're not gonna let me go the keys

438
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: in the flower pot love you. What did she following

439
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: that message? Re seat? That was a three PM on Saturday,

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00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: and according to her, to this report, she made some

441
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: phone calls, she went out looking, but even she and

442
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: police said the mom's phone was going straight to voicemail.

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00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: We know that for a fact, and it says at

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00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: around six her dad called and made this missing person's report.

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00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: And back to your question about the phone that's never

446
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: been found according to us, there is nothing in the

447
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: Pacifica when they searched, according to the report, and police

448
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: in the report say they try to ping her phone

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00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: all night unsuccessfully. So someone is hidden or destroyed the phone.

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00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: What does that tell you just got morgan it. Even

451
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: though you don't have the phone, you can still triangulate

452
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: its movements leading up to the discovery of her body. Yeah,

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: I can. And you know you're bouncing off these points.

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00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned triangulation relative to these towers where

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00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to pinpoint it, because if

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00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: that's the last known location, you never know, you might

457
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: find a remnant of a phone that they actually destroyed

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00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: it in that location. If they searched that particular area,

459
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: and it shows you this kind of progression. You know,

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00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: how did they wind up in that spot? It's very curious.

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00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: I think at least you combine that information with Venmo

462
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: and one thing. I'll shut my mouth, but this idea

463
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Speaker 1: that the daughter is saying that she is she was

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Speaker 1: surprised to get a VENMO from her mother. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to know, well, did she have a Venmo account prior

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Speaker 1: to this, and if she did not, when was Venmo

467
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Because this is something that has to be downloaded directly

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Speaker 1: to the phone. When was it downloaded to the phone

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00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: and had she ever used it before? And the amount

470
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: is very curious to me too, Nancy. You know specific.

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Speaker 1: So when you start to look at the forensic accounting,

472
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: here is this all of the money that she had

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Speaker 1: in her account that she had access to or was

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00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: it a specific number that can be married up? Would

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Speaker 1: say money that was owed to somebody that is in

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Speaker 1: that exact amount. I gave you a great example, Scott.

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Speaker 1: In the John be A Ramsey case, a specific amount

478
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: was demanded by the kidnappers one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: as I recall, and that was the same amount that

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Speaker 1: John Ramsey had just gotten for his work bonus, so

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00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: those two numbers were married up. And regarding Venmo, a

482
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Speaker 1: Venmo account can only be associated with one phone number.

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00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: You can have two vemos, but one is typically personal

484
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: and one is business. So it had to be coming

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Speaker 1: from her phone, is the way I understand Vimo unless

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Speaker 1: somebody could log in in some way. Actually I think

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Speaker 1: they can, So that's not going to really help me.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What more do we know? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: at crime Online. Family last heard from Debbie Call You're

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Speaker 1: at three seventeen pm Saturday, September tenth. Less than three

492
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: hours later, Debbie's husband Steve, and daughter Amanda report Debbie missing.

493
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Steve tells police he last saw Debbie the night before

494
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: when he went to bed. Police are skeptical until they

495
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: hear that Steve and Debbie sleep in separate rooms due

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00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: to Steve snoring. Steve says Debbie's rented Chrysler SUV was

497
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: in the driveway when he left for work that morning.

498
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: Amanda tells police Debbie left the house with nothing except

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Speaker 1: her driver's license and debit card. Left with nothing except

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Speaker 1: driver's license and credit card. Okay, straight out to Karen

501
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Speaker 1: start joining us. Pronounce psychologists joining us from Manhattan today,

502
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: Karen start leaving the home with nothing but your driver's

503
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: license and your credit card? So unlikely, it's unlikely, Nancy,

504
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: think about it. Who leaves without their telephone without some

505
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: things you do, enrest. It was some kind of a

506
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: crisis and she wasn't thinking right the thing. Also, you

507
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: mentioned Brian Laundry and how he kept texting. Yeah, the

508
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: family and text this venmo and the text is so bizarre,

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00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: especially since the daughter said that she never received anything

510
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: like that from her mother, never had gotten a venmo before.

511
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: You're right, you and Joe Scott are really hitting on something.

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00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a coincidence in criminal law. This

513
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: is the only time she has ever gotten a VENMO

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00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: from her mom, and it's a strange venomo. Yeah, it

515
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: is strange. Yeah, there's more. There is a chilling threat

516
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: issued before Debbie Collier is found dead. Take a listen

517
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to our friend Dave Mack, the boyfriend of murdered Georgia mom.

518
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: Debbie Callier's daughter allegedly threatened violence against her entire family

519
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: last year in a chilling note, and was arrested just

520
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: last month for violating parole. Andrew Guigrich, a former amateur

521
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: MMA fighter, scrawled a handwritten message that said quote, if

522
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: you or your family ever come near me again, I

523
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: will hurt them. The note was included in police evidence

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00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: photos after a domestic dispute in May of twenty twenty

525
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: one between Bearden and Guigridge. At the time, the couple

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: was living in a home owned by Amanda's stepfather, Debbie's

527
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: husband Steve Caller, Okay, what do we know about that

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00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Jodi Alcorn joining us from eleventh alife. Yeah, all we

529
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: would have been told from those reports and what we've

530
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: read again, they've been together this whole time, and again

531
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Andrew and them were together. Now they're in Athens together

532
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: now they have their phones confiscated by police, but they're

533
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: still together here today on this Monday, they're still together.

534
00:32:54,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: Nancy jump in. It's very strange again that in him

535
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: saying to the police, I don't know why she doesn't

536
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: like me talking about the mother, and then he has

537
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: this threat against the whole family, and then they just

538
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: moved back to the area and he's been arrested. It's

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00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: just I can't you know. Obviously, I'm not going to

540
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: say that he is, but I would think that he's

541
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: very suspicious. Everybody's a suspect. I was just about to say,

542
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: no one is a suspect. No one has been named

543
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: a person of interest, no one has been named a suspect.

544
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: And there is a difference their phone what they took

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00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: their phones and they searched the house, right, Yes, Yes,

546
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: isn't that right, Jody Alcorn. Yes. The colonel told us

547
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: that last week that they have searched multiple homes tied

548
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: directly to people closest to Debbie Corrier, so I know

549
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: her house has the daughter's house has been searched, and

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00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: the boyfriend told multiple agents or multiple news outlets that

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00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: they're to been taken by law enforcement. Okay to you,

552
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan. What's being done with their phones right now?

553
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: There's an incredible phone dump that's going on right now.

554
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: What that means is that the authorities are taking all

555
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: phones associated with this crime and they are bleeding out

556
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: every bit of information that they can, all the location data,

557
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: all of the texts that we're going back and forth.

558
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Because if you've got these two individuals that are so

559
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: intimately linked to her, they're going to want to know

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00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: what kind of communications have gone on between the boyfriend

561
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: and the daughter. And let's don't forget about the father

562
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: as well, because he's our her husband brother, he's you know,

563
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: he's part of that little intimate circle that you and

564
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: I have talked about for years relative to you know,

565
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: people that are in your circle that can potentially do

566
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: harm to you. And of course they're strangers out there

567
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: as well, but they're dumping every bit of this data

568
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: and they are going through it with a fine tooth comb. Now,

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00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: the daughter, Amanda Barden, is not husbands by a daughter, correct, Cody, Correct. Okay, guys,

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00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: take a listen one more time to our friend Dave

571
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: Matt from crime online dot Com. In the day's leading

572
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: up to Debbie Collier's murder, Amanda Bearden and Andrew Guigrich

573
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: were banked together as a couple living in the house

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00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: owned by Debbie's husband, Steve Collier. Guygridch told a reporter

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Speaker 1: that the police had confiscated his and Bearden's phones, saying,

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00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: the police have interrogated all of us, the people who

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00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: are closest to Callier are kind of looked at as

578
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: suspects right now. Meanwhile, Debbie and Steve Collier's house is

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Speaker 1: located on a very quiet street. A neighbor said they

580
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: heard a commotion on the night before she died, although

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00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: it's unclear who was involved. Police have not named any

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00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: suspects or a motive in the case, and we also

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00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: have these sheriffs coming out in stating point blank kidnapping

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00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: is out of the question. Take a listen to our

585
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: friends at Fox five. Fox five freestyle to the FBI

586
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: who sent this statement saying, quote, FBI Atlanta is aware

587
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: of the case. At this time, the matter is being

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00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: investigated by local authorities. The GBI, I had this to say,

589
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: quote the GBI Medical Examiner's office is conducting the autopsy,

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00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: but those results will be handed to Habersham County as

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00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: we are not involved in the investigation at this time.

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00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: There is no evidence to suggest or support that this

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Speaker 1: incident was related to a kidnapping or that this was

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Speaker 1: a suicide. You are hearing Chief Murray speaking, and now

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00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: that was from Fox five, but it's also coming from

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Speaker 1: CBS forty six. Listen. Abersham County investigators say there is

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00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: no evidence to support fifty nine year old Debbie Collier

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00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: was taken against her will or that she took her

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00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: own live Most troubling was the demo transfer Amanditone investigator

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Speaker 1: she received around three seventeen pm Saturday. The twenty three

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five dollars payment included a note that said, quote,

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Speaker 1: They're not going to let me go love you. The

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00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office says it's executed several warrants at locations connected

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Speaker 1: to Debbi. Investigators have also interviewed those closest tour. They

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00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: have yet to rule out anyone. No one has been

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00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: named a person of interest or a spect quickly. We're

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Speaker 1: nae if your mother sent you that money and a

608
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: text like that, would it take you three hours to

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00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: call the police? Probably not, because my mother lives with me,

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Speaker 1: But if you drove to her home and then I

611
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: drove to where she worked. Because if I can't find

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Speaker 1: one of the twins, which basically never happens, but a

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00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: few times I couldn't put my eyes directly on them,

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00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: I searched the house and searched the backyard, in the

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00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: front yard first, and then I figured out that's why

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Speaker 1: I have life three sixty because they're surgically attached to

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Speaker 1: their cell phones. Can I talk about something surgically attached quickly? Yes?

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Speaker 1: If this body was dumped, somebody walked into that ravine,

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Speaker 1: and somebody walked out, and somebody got a ride home.

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Speaker 1: So where did everybody shoo? I want to see everybody shoo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the bottoms of the shoes for any matching soil. But

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00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: also somebody had to either walk away from that crime

623
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Speaker 1: saying or get a ride because the car was still there.

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00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Right now, Investigators begging for public help take a listen

625
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: to Eric Perry. Investigators say they need the public's help

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00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: and piecing together clues so who could be responsible? The

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00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Abstown County sheriff Solves Criminal Investigations Division has executed several

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00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: search warrants at locations directly tied to the victim and

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Speaker 1: have conducted preliminary interviews of those closest to the victim.

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Speaker 1: How and why the body of Debbie Collier ended up

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Speaker 1: in a remote wooded area over fifty miles away from

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00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: our home remains a mystery. Cody Alcorn, what are police

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Speaker 1: and sheriff doing right now? I know they're waiting on forensics,

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: but I also know they have been interviewing people closest

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Speaker 1: to Debbie Collier, and that's what the Colonel told me

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Speaker 1: last week, is they have a lot more interviews to

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Speaker 1: do and follow up as well. He wouldn't tell me

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Speaker 1: who all has been interviewed. But I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: with this public knowledge now of these reports, I think

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Speaker 1: it's putting pressure on these individuals and trying to catch

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Speaker 1: them in a lie. Tipline everyone seven oh six, eight three,

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Speaker 1: nine oh five five nine, goodbye friend,